CROW VS CROW | reacting to 1994 and 2024 trailers for the crow and talking differences and concerns
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- if he doesn't come back from the dead to avenge you he ain't worth it
also please don't make fun of me for the guitar at the end LMAO im doing my best okay
I made a second channel lol
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trailer links!
1994
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2024
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the new one, is like:
" hey i have a great idea! Let´s make Funboy and Darla the main protaginists of this..."
honestlyyy, but ngl a movie with them as the main characters would be better than the desecration recreation of Eric Draven (as long as it doesn't try to make Funboy an antihero lol)
Just wish they didn't use the names eric and Shelley!
I know right!
Funboy and Darla would be more fitting to them....
On the character aspect we fell in love with Eric & Shelly and Sarah and sheriff Albert and we hated the evil villains and what happened to Brandon Lee just horrible Brandon lived & died for that movie literally they should of never ever touched it 💕🐦⬛👏🏻👍🏻🙌🏻🥰 RIP Brandon
absolutely, it was so easy to love their characters! and i know it’s so sad :( ik ill always think of eric draven as brandon lee
If there is even one person, (amongst all the carpet dwellers at the production and distribution companies behind this new movie) with even a single brain cell... they'll use the time between now and the release date to do every bit of ADR and CG necessary to change the names of the protagonists from Eric and Shelly to anything else. If CGI Sonic the Hedgehog can be unfucked, this potential disaster can also be, (at least partially) mitigated.
oml I forgot about CGI sonic💀 you're right there's still time. literally all they need is a baby name website and some editing and it'll be much better
naw i wont waste my money on the new crow still look worse horrible good thing i spend 5 bucks yesterday on 30 anniversary on the 94 the crow is they put itback on theatres for only two day that my money worth the new one i pass i watch it on hbo or something
thats rad that they had it in theaters for the anniversary omg, and yeah honestly if you already have HBO might as well just wait for it come come out on there if you want to watch lol
They didn’t have it in my city. I was really hoping to see it.
Good vid, the original Crow is one of my alltime favorite movies ever (i discussed this during my own reaction to the trailer for the new one) but i dont have high hopes for the remake for many many reasons to which i pointed out. I will still probably check out the new version but it just doesnt have the same feel or emotion that played so strongly into the original. But i like that people are discussing this and some are even checking out the original for the first time so any pub given to the Lee version is good for the brand all the way around even if the new one turns out to be a dud.
thank you, I'll have to check out your video too :) and yeah that's true, hopefully it'll lead people to the original movie and they'll have a great appreciation for it as well. it's had quite an impact on a lot of people so hopefully that will grow haha.
I'll probably watch it as well, out of curiosity. Some of the shots looked good too, and I'm a sucker for good visuals fs. There are movies I absolutely despise but can still appreciate the aesthetic of it lol
The problem with this movie, is the same problem with all modern movies, especially remakes. They color wash at least one major character, often times with a rapper like in this case, almost completely change the story, or at least the plot if not the premise. The main character has no charisma (Robocop 2013 vibes), and the love interest is dull, no real character, and together with the main character, have no chemistry. In the remake trailer, you don't even get the sense that these two are really in love, just a couple of sex scenes and asking stupid questions to each other. In the original, you had a believable couple that conveyed a true love, the tragic death of both of them, and the absolute force of vengeance that Eric Draven became, all while being a likable and interesting character. I have a feeling the remake is going to make the sequels look good. Kind of like how the Disney Star Wars movies made the prequel trilogy look good. I'd just wait for a spoiler review to find out what the line meant by running out of time to save her, and not destroy your brain cells watching the movie. If you're OCD kicks in, just rent it or find it on the high seas. :)
Also, the series is pretty good. Mark Dacascos did a good job representing Eric. And the Korean that they delve into was cool also. It's cheesy and low budget, but it's still a good show.
Yeah, they always butcher remakes imo. it sucks. and I knowww, I hate how they just replace the actual love with sex scenes and the "edgy" questions. I'd expect the same type of questions from a middle school relationship LOL
The original had depth to it when it came to love and revenge, and Brandon lee portrayed that so well, like the scenes where he's with Sarah or the cop, he's not angry, he's calm, and absolutely devastated with what happened. Or like when he wakes up. his screams when he realizes what happened are gut wrenching. from the trailer for the remake, it really doesn't seem like that's gonna be the case.
honestly yeah thats a good idea to just wait for a spoiler lmaoo, I feel like I'm either going to be really mad or really sad watching the remake (probably both)
and glad to hear that the series is p good! cheesy is good sometimes haha
I loved the series as well, glad to see someone mentioned it.
“…have no chemistry…”
That honestly sums up everything I dislike about the trailer. It’s bland af. The settings look sterile. The emotional content is non-existent. The dialogue is weak and sounds AI generated. The delivery is flat (from *everyone* so it’s direction). Even the gore is so blatantly CGI generated that it looks sterile.
I was willing to give it a chance before I saw the trailer. This is streaming content. It’s not worth spending money on.
They need to go back to the source material, dive deep into the original graphic novel and portray details that the original movie didn't fit but BE RESPECTFUL OF IT. I'm going to go see but not looking forward to seeing this reincarnation of The Crow
yeah honestly I think the most important part of all of this is the origins. the sheer amount of emotion, love, and honestly, pain that created this story is crucial to understand and needs to be respected, you're absolutely right about that. it kills me that it feels like they're removing all of that.
Not posible to compare original crow and 2024...with Brandon Lee is 20 times better
Thank you for that.
@@sherrybaker171 😉😉
i'll always see Eric Draven as Brandon lee, he embodied the character perfectly and I definitely agree with the director of the original crow movie, its his legacy
they took away his iconic goth look and made him into a soundcloud rapper, disappointing to say the least.
AHAHA the soundcloud rapper look is so true oml, now im scared thats gonna be a real thing considering they're just trying to remake the character and Brandon lee's Eric Draven was in a band lmaoo💀
but yeah the og look was so organic, this feels so forced
i would av taken brandons crow n the story from wicked prayer and expanded on that story
it wasnt a mess n i agree it dose mess with brandons lgacy they should av left it in a locked box
Short answer? The original isn't something you can remake (nor likely should it be done, or very, very carefully if ever). The cast was great, the soundtrack was great, and there's basically no replacing Brandon as Eric. Only way I'll likely watch the new one is once it's got a free streaming option.
Longer answer (read: ramble, as is normal for me) with the above in mind? I agree with a lot of what you were saying. As much as I like the comic original, I kind of feel like the definitive version and Eric is Brandon's portrayal and the original movie. Things are still different to the comic (which I'm trying not to spoil for you, in terms of differences), but I think the original movie does a bit of what it does, in that you get just enough about Eric and Shelly to care about them and believe they really were that in love.
The original film, there's stuff we're told, and stuff you can infer, I suppose. My overwhelming sense of both the comic and movie? These were innocent people in love, and they never should have died like that. And in the movie, sure, Eric is in a band, Hangman's Joke, with a snippet of one of their songs played by Sarah and the quote he says that helps her recognize him. And he seems pretty romantic and a bit theatrical before, which either Shelly was too, or at least very into that.
There were cute couple moments, ever so brief snapshots before their murders. Not so much that we get their entire life stories, but not so little we can't connect. In a way, they can work as stand ins for every decent person whose lives were senselessly and brutally cut short by tragedy. They didn't have to try hard to be edgy, because in life they kind of weren't, at least insofar as we the audience are aware. Even as a musician, in the movie, Eric didn't have any visible tattoos. Nothing wrong with them, I've seen some truly beautiful artwork done in the form of tattoos. But those in the new one feel low effort, and trying too hard to be edgy, as you said. Very much Suicide Squad movie Joker energy.
My best guess with the "squid game" outfits? I'm thinking maybe rehab. It certainly strikes me as some kind of institutional environment with the matching outfits. Which I don't know that I like for Eric and Shelly. Not that I have a problem with recreational, safer drug usage, or getting clean for that matter. Nor would I have a problem with ex-cons, if it's some sort of prison-like environment. Or if it were like a psychiatric facility, also no problem there. It's just extra details those characters don't need.
They work so well, I think, because they're kind of idealized and almost blank slates beyond what we absolutely need to know to connect to them. And apart from in the original movie fighting tenant eviction, there really wasn't a reason they were killed. Neither seemed into anything illegal and risky. Shelly didn't see something she wasn't supposed to. They died senseless deaths. Life's like that sometimes.
And apart from the tragic deaths, I view their love story as aspirational. "Buildings burn, people die, but real love is forever." Gets me every time. You want to love and be loved like that. While also feeling like, yes, that's someone you would want to avenge their (and your own) deaths, and the life you didn't get to have with them (at least while still alive anyway, afterlife ideas aside).
I really, really wouldn't have minded this new movie as much if it weren't Eric and Shelly, but some new for film characters, or one of the other characters from other Crow storylines in comics. I'm also not seeing in the trailer (or listed cast) an equivalent to Sarah and Albrecht who I think by being there also helped show those softer, more comedic moments with Eric after coming back. Not just a good boyfriend and future husband, but somebody you'd want to be your friend, and probably would be a good parent someday given how he was with Sarah. And oh, that'd probably mean losing Darla or her equivalent and some version of that amazing scene. Not saying it has to be shot for shot and line for line the same or anything, but something I'd miss I think. Probably will be a lot of things I'll miss like that.
Sure, what they look like they're doing with the new movie could work in another movie, for another set of characters, and a more generic revenge story, but I loved the other stuff being included. Sure, you got to see him come back in the original movie and be "the killer of killers" as Top Dollar put it. But you could also still see some of the sweetness, love, and humor of who Eric was and could still be, even outside of the brief flashbacks and end with Shelly.
And yes the "save her" stuff in this new one is... odd. She's dead, she's as safe as she's gonna get, unless they've added something unusual in. The series had an interesting take on that, I guess, which was kinda sweet as best I recall (TV show spoiler: I think Shelly basically decides to wait for him, in a sort of in between space, rather than going on to heaven I suppose). Then again, I watched it while pretty young, not sure how well that holds up for what is was (not as good as the movie or its cast, but not terrible either).
Anyway, I could be wrong, but it really looks like we're losing that softer side to him to some degree or another apart from maybe some moments with this version of Shelly. I know it's brief, and maybe the trailer doesn't do it justice (which agreed, does happen), but the chemistry and line delivery isn't jumping out at me. And I don't blame the cast for that. Can't speak for any other cast member's skills, but Bill was quite good as Pennywise (haven't seen him beyond that either, so far). It just looked a bit flat and one note delivery, at least in the trailer. Could be a directing decision, or just abysmal writing, maybe all of the above.
Also nice guitar work at the end of your video, not too off the mark to my ears.
agree with your short answer, and yeah I won't be renting it lmaoo, I'll probably watch it when it comes to whatever streaming service.
thank you for not spoiling the comic for me, I appreciate that !
yeah I don't think I'd even really thought about the difference in how Eric and Shelly were innocent of anything in the OG, (even with the eviction notice, which I took more as a sign of what state the city was in rather than them, but I could be wrong lmao) as opposed to how it's more like- not warranted but there's a reason. there was absolutely no reason in the original other than horrible people being horrible. Tragedy. Their relationship was idealized for sure, and yeah that's honestly all we needed to see. We didn't need to see their flaws, because while everyone has them and thats more realistic, it's pointless to the story. All we needed to know was that they were in love and tragically murdered for absolutely no reason at all.
I think Eric being so much softer in the original speaks so much more to the revenge he's seeking. He's not an angry person, he's hurt. And on one hand, the scenes with Sarah are so important because they show that- his real personality- and on the other hand, I'm almost glad they're leaving Sarah out of this movie. like you said, Eric in the original is someone you'd want to be around, a good friend, husband and potential parent. This Eric does not seem to be that person. Asking shelly "whats the worst thing you've ever done" or whatever, makes him seem like... not someone who should be a guardian to a child. It sucks because that scene with Darla is so powerful. I don't think they could really fit Sarah into this movie with the approach they wanted to take with this Eric. Sure, maybe he has a softer side in the movie, not saying you can't be "edgy" and not caring at the same time, but based on the trailer it doesn't look that way.
I've seen some people say that they're addicts and in rehab I guess. Not sure what I missed on the specifics of them being drug addicts and not psych patients or anything, (also doesn't help that I made the joke about Eric being in a gang and accidentally just running with it lmfao), but I believe a couple people have brought it up so there's that. There's the smoking scene but I didn't really take much notice of it, maybe it was more significant than I'd paid attention to? I think I just assumed it was recreational lmaoo. But yeah I agree, again like these are details that aren't exactly important to their relationship- when it comes to Eric and Shelly at least. If they were different characters, thats fine, but since they're recreating them it just feels kind of unimportant and a little wrong.
and yes im so glad you also think him having to save her stuff is weird too!! It just confuses me because like even if he's saving her soul from hell or whatever,, how is she running out of time??? Like what, is she in a time ticking purgatory? Even if it's for them to be together in the afterlife, how and why is time running out? (other than for dramatic effect, ofc) I hope that's actually answered in the movie because why is shelly's soul in danger and not his? (again other than for dramatic effect)
I've also only seen Bill as pennywise and he did do well in that, he's going to be in the 2024 Nosferatu remake as well and the trailer looks pretty good, so I'm hoping he does well in that one too. It seems like he's good at playing creepy characters.
and thank ya haha !
hope this isn't too repetitive of what you said (and/or in general) my brain is a little scrambled rn lmao
as much as I'd like to, its gonna be hard to go into this with an open mind (hard, impossible, either works lol)
I’ve seen the original version about 100 times, literally, but I don’t recall anything about it being based on a true story. MY problem with the new film isn’t even remotely depicting Detroit! I live in metro Detroit, and this movie has no suggestion of the motor city. I can see the new movie appealing to the ladies because of Bill Skarsgar shirtless, but Brandon Lee made James O’Barr’s character come to life in the most awesome way.
yeah, i mean it’s not technically based on a true story (with the whole gang thing i mean) but he started writing the comics to help cope with losing his wife.
and lmaoo hollywood, im tellin you. where i live is in a movie, (one that’s supposed to be based on history, too) and its so wrong about *everything* it’s laughable.
Brandon lee was perfect, ive said it a million times but he’ll always be eric draven imo !
The "based on a true story" idea comes from the comic writer, James O'Barr's reason for creating The Crow, along with the combination of Brandon Lee's death. As you mentioned, with slight adjustment, James' girlfriend was killed by a drunk driver, and he created the comic to help deal with the pain of losing someone close to him. He has always had an anti-drug/anti-drunk message, so the fact that this new version changes Eric and Shelley into drug addicts who die over drug debt is disgusting and one of the main reasons James disowned the new movie and said he wanted nothing to do with it and didn't want to be connected to it.
You did amazing i agree wit you 100 percent the original was a masterpiece that everyone should see and i love ❤ the original one so much this dumb ass remake is going to be trash they definitely should have just make a totally new character like they have before in the franchise because nobody can do wat Brandon lee did not even close Hollywood needs to learn don't fuk wit the og real talk anyways i loved watching this video and i hope you are having a epic and blessed day and night ❤❤❤100
thank you ! yeah even if it's not the *worst* movie lol no one will ever be able to pull it off like Brandon lee. They really doomed themselves by trying to remake Eric Draven, and i'm so glad, thank you sm I hope you are as well!!
@@fantomplant you're very welcome 100
Won't watch the new one it should be a sequel not a remake don't mess with Brandon's movie
yeah, they've already made sequels I dont understand why this can't be another one
Bills character looks like Michael Korby from The Crow :Wild Justice comic . Why didn't they just make that story? Instead they make whatever this is and attached the Names Eric and Shelly just to glom onto the nostalgia. I hate this. Btw The graphic novel is heartbreaking, ultra violent at times, yet so deep. ❤
its crazy-but not surprising-that they had that option, but decided to go with Eric and Shelly instead. Those names bring in more attention. :/ and ughhh the art for it is incredible, I've seen some more art of Eric that the author has done outside of the comic and my gosh its just amazing.
Will say, don’t worry about people who say you talk too much or pause too much, it’s a reaction video, we want your reaction. If we didn’t want that we would watch the trailers.
I appreciate that :))
I wasn't really going to watch it. Then after watching the trailer with the burn soundtrack by the cure. Made me want to go check it out. I did watch all the crow movies so why not one more.😅. The Brandon Lee Crow will be my #1 movie of all time.
might as well! yeah the cure is a good sell ngl, I'm prolly gonna end up watching it out of morbid curiosity so if there's a good soundtrack, I'll appreciate that greatly !
n absolutely!!
The original had a very gothic style. The remake is emo (the wrong type of emo).
as an emo, I agree
THE CROW IS MY FAVORITE FILM. THEY SHOULD NEVER HAVE MADE THIS NEW FILM. THE DESIGN IS HORRIBLE. I READ SOMEWHERE THAT THEY ARE RELEASING THIS ON THE 30 ANNIVERSARY OF THE RELEASE OF THE ORIGINAL. WHICH SEEMS LIKE THEY ARE PISSING ON BRANDON'S GRAVE.
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I AGREEE n the more I learn about it the worse it gets. everything about it is like a slap in the face to Brandon Lee and it's all for money, it's so sad !! and ooh I can try and ill definitely check her videos out!! I feel like there needs to be a 2024 crow hate support group lmaooo
and thank you sm and im glad you liked!!! hopefully one day I'll be able to do the speed picking lol, and thank you sm for subscribing :D I hope you have a wonderful day/night!
the crow does not need a remake ever.leave it as it is ,a classic
precisely !!!
Yeah they shouldn’t have made the remake and i don’t like the new design either
yeah, n the design choices are definitely interesting to say the least lmaoo
Dude 🤣
Meh, I will skip it.
fair enough lmao I don't blame you
I love the crow stairway to heaven tv show when it came on Syfy back then, yes they did a tv show for it. I believe it came on like 3:00 in the morning give or take and yes I got up just to watch The Crow: stairway to heaven and I went back to bed.
That TV show is brilliant, well some people liked it and some didn't. I enjoyed watching it. Please if you can, check out the crow stairway to heaven.
some people have mentioned there was a tv show, i’ll definitely see if i can find somewhere to watch it!!
@@fantomplant
You just may like it or love it,
It truly is good to watch
It can’t rain all the time 🐦⬛
need that tattooed tbh
I think save her soul?
yeahh, it just caught me off guard lmao, they're changing the story sm !!
@@fantomplant
Yea, I know 😩 the original is a classic.
@@zachberry4742 ill always love it!!
I think in this one Eric's running out of time to save not shelly's life but maybe her soul.
The time to save her is to not let her suffer i think. She is dead yes, but will she rest?... Thats what i think. And it is some of that thing in the comics.
ooh gotcha gotcha, I didn't know it was in the comics ! (yet lol)
@@fantomplant Why "LoL"?
@@perwarmell5741 oh just cuz i havent read it yet but im about to!
The new Crow movie is from the 1997 comic book Crow Wild Justice. It is a prequel by James O'Barr and the tattoos are the same tattoos in the comic book. Modern music for a modern movie. If I tell you about the pink costumes that will give the plot away.
someone mentioned that it looked similar to one of the books! n that they should have used the names from that one haha. and gotcha gotcha, I'll just have to see lmao. it'll be interesting to see how much the follow the actual source, I heard they were going to follow it and then changed it, so idek at this point
About the TV show - you should probably watch it. It mostly takes the night he had in the movie and stretches it into several days, so not much changes in the plot but some things get expanded upon more, and some other things got added.
I don't think this movie will ruin anything for you, even though I agree Brandon brought so much to the character it cannot be taken away - and that's exactly why I don't think it would taint anything. You know which one is real, people can happen to have the same name, it happens. I'm mostly worried about the writing having watched one of the other movies which... lets just say, I know it could get bad without the core emotion and don't trust Hollywood much... I'll probably wait for reviews before daring to watch it myself.
Gotcha! A bunch of people have recommended it so I'll definitely try to find where to watch it!
and yeah, if anything it'll make the OG better. As amazing as the first one is, it'll look even better compared to this. Yeah I don't trust Hollywood much either lol, the more I've learned about this movie the more it just looks like a cash grab as well. Honestly yeah unless you're a movie masochist like myself lmaoo, prolly best to see if there's any merit at all before watching
I think the lines "what's the first thing you love about me?" Etc are also so insecure and narcissistic. You don't feel this Eric actually loves Shelly, but himself.
gosh yeah, I didn't even think about it like that but you're right. I'd get insecurity I guess, but it really is so self focused- which is the opposite of Eric Draven i think
I'm with ya. I wish they made a different crow and not take Brandon's character. Also, they did that to Anne Rice's books by changing everything for the TV show. Heck I wish they had his design be exactly like the comic book than what they did.
wait whatttt I'll have to look into what they did to the anne rice books!!
its black n white joker
If you want the comic, I can get you the link for the online version, then you can still buy your local comic shop's copy when it comes in so you have the hard copy in your digits.
yess thank you! i just recently checked again and they're still not available unfortunately
2024 Drven is 2 much
I feel the same way of the character that Brandon Lee brought to life shouldn't be touched
yess they need to leave his legacy alone
I didn’t even know there was a remake. It looks good dancer in the dark is a masterpiece. You should react to that the movie dancer in the dark.
yeppp, sorry idk why I'm seeing this so late! and thank you I'll check it out!
those tatoos look like the 3 year old son of the tattoo artist got to tattoo it´s doodles on a drunk customer, that did not pay the last 4 times....
I really can't get over the nipple-eye one like what were they thinking 💀
save her "soul"
I loved the original movie, trailer, and series. My honest opinion, I will give this one a shot. It could be good and it’s my understanding they are following the source material.
hopefully! it has a lot to live up to imo, but we shall see!
The original plan was to follow source material but they changed their mind and this is essentially a whole new story, different from the original comic and the Brandon Lee movie
@@dennisellis3605 wonder why they scrapped using the og material, I feel like that would have been a bit more accepted when recreating Eric Draven. LMAO again, if they're creating a whole new story, why not create new characters? at least James O'barr is still working with them on it. still confuses me tho
This is the crow in name only. If they chosen a different character it could of worked but no they went with eric draven
@@dennisellis3605 how is the storyline drastically different.
the shotrs from the original r beautiful
hahah I just literally rewatched it yesterday and my gosh they really are
I think Jared Leto kept "pushing" his portrayal of the Joker to be more unhinged, but rather than try and do so with his performance, he wanted to do it with the look. He should just stay away from roles that let him run wild. He does best when he can be reigned in. But Bill Skarsgards' Eric doesn't feel right, look aside. In the original, Eric feels like someone who turned dark due to circumstance and as a response to events that transpired. New Eric feels like, this was something that was going to happen, if it hadn't happened already.
Yeah, Jared Leto was good in American psycho and girl interrupted. hell-even morbius felt more natural than the suicide squad joker lmaoo
I agree, part of the tragedy of the original Eric Draven was the fact that he was just a good person who was murdered for no reason. Then he turns dark when he needed to. This Eric could be a good person still ig, but he's already dark (as forced as it seems), and so his anger is less impactful.
@@fantomplant New Eric could work for a vet delivering and taking care of newborn kittens and puppies while helping the elderly during his off work time, but the cultural "look" of Eric is that of the movie styled delinquent. Until you know someone, all you have is what society lumps appearances into to try and gauge their personality. And since cloud rappers aren't typically known as being the best people, and the fact we saw him in what I guess was either a prison of maybe a juvenile correction facility, guessing not a model citizen. So would it really be all that shocking to find out he got mixed up with, what I can admit seems like a rather large and probably powerful gang a la Saint's Row 3, criminal organization and is now Punisher-ing his way through a kill list?
@@AngellusRavenix thats true. yeah the soundcloud rapper look is definitely fitting, and to be honest I completely forgot the line "whats the worst thing you've ever done," so yeah probably not a model citizen. Didn't want to judge too quickly but you know it ain't looking like he's a saint for sure.
They might be in rehab, ive seen some people saying they're addicts, which im not sure what I missed (the smoking in the tub scene looked more recreational than anything lmaoo) but that could be.
either way, it does look like shelly got mixed up in something that she shouldn't have, and yeah it looks like he's just killing his way to the head.
Little late as the video was posted a little while back, but for the algorithm I will say my piece.
The issue with the look of this new verson of The Crow is that he is running around shirtless with too much bright lighting.
The look of the original worked because his body was all in black which blended into the backgrounds, to contrast with his face standing out by being stark white.
This original look lended itself to a more "Spectral" or "Ghostly" appearance, a "thing" emerging from the shadows to seek revenge.
This is helpful when the theme is one of a vengeful ghost.
The current version is more akin to "look there is a methhead stumbling out of the allyway."
He doesn't look intimidating he looks like he needs rehab.
doesn't matter when it was posted, you're always welcome here ! I appreciate your piece
You're right. the original's design was so much simpler, but so much more haunting and intimidating. I believe Brandon lee did the face paint himself as well, because it was too clean when makeup artists did it, which really adds to the authenticity. Less is more fs.
Apparently this new design is more like a character based on one of the later comics, so i'm not sure why they didn't just go with that, but even still, this is way less intimidating in general.
@@fantomplant I have not seen the remake so I cannot speak with total confidence on this, but the original definitely seemed to have a better grasp of how lighting can help with the story. (This ties into costume design as well.)
I am thinking here of the use of strobe lighting in the original for example.
The use of strobe lighting contributed to the films sense of "mania" or something unnatural happening, which should be expected in what is in effect a movie about supernatual vengeance from the grave.
A movie with "vengeance from the grave" as it premise should invoke some sense of supernatual horror, even if the bad guys had it coming.
@@ericfisher1360 yeah, honestly im not sure how much hope I have in this remake when it comes to a horror feel or look. it feels more like just action than horror. (it might be classified as that, im not sure)
that strobe lighting combined with his smile or laugh is enough to put anyone on edge, its creepy, even though we know that Eric is in the right.
Remake Eric might try to seem creepy, but I doubt he actually will be- or will be in the right way, if that makes sense. Like he might be off putting but not in a good way lmaoo
@@fantomplant It makes sense for sure. I am sure the actor can play the role well, I am just not sure the writer and director understand why the first one worked.
@@ericfisher1360 yeah, this is one of those movies that does not need a remake, but if they just can't help themselves, they gotta pay close attention to what makes the movie good, beyond the story. not saying it has to be a shot for shot exact replica, but there are elements that are so important to what makes it so haunting and memorable
don't worry about the people who tell you that you talk or pause too much. just tell them to watch the original video if they don't want your commentary. They are here on your channel so they shouldn't be complaining about you providing your opinions and thoughts. Just always include the link in the description or pinned comment and mention before you start reacting that if they are gonna complain, they should go watch the original video first and then come back.
oh thats a good idea to include a link ! I guess I figured that people had already watched the trailers before watching reactions (at least the recent ones, maybe not the original crow bc that one is older lol) but I'll definitely add links! lol the person who said I talk too much made me laugh a little bc like yeah why are they even watching💀
@@fantomplant it deleted my reply to you :(
anyway, I look forward to your thoughts on the Crow comic/tpb (trade paperback) on the link i shared with you. Woop! Woop!
@@mishmashmedley ah sorry :( and yess im excited to read it!! thank you!
I'm pretty late to the party here, but hey, the algorithm works in mysterious ways. Anyhow, so much of a movie like this hinges on the villain being compelling, and Danny Huston has never played a compelling anything. It's gonna be rough.
haha glad to have you here! ugh yeah, top dollar as a character and the actor was a fantastic villain. chaotic and kinda unhinged. I was just talking to someone else about some of his lines that are so great, and the deadpan way he delivers is just great as well lmao. reallllyyyy looking like this guy isn't gonna have any of that.
@@fantomplant Yeah he nailed the timing and delivery of a lot of those scenes, I always channel that little worm on a big hook exchange with Skank when I want to be condescending to someone. "Well boy, your momma must be damn proud of you!"
@@CyborgeWashington gosh i’ve been meaning to anyway but i really gotta rewatch lmaoo
@@fantomplant I'm late to the party again, but apparently the remake is out now. I just watched a couple of not-so-glowing reviews and because you pretty much echoed my own thoughts on the original, was wondering if you had seen it. If so, what's your take?
I don't think Skarsgard the younger is inherently bad in action roles, I watched Boy Kills World a few weeks ago and it was one of the more enjoyable flicks I've seen this year.
Inferno (the rooftop solo) is not technically challenging but to play it right ya gotta pour yourself into it. I went outta my way to learn it years ago... i wonder if i remember it...
yesss definitely see if you can do it ! might not be technically challenging but still so sick! I'm still somewhat new-ish to solos on the electric and playing them on camera makes pretty much any type of riff/solo challenging for me💀 my hands were shaking like hell lmfaoo
@@fantomplant I honestly typed that before I got to the part where you played and, I guess, I shoulda expected it!
@@pv6505 yeah I just had to throw it in there at the end lmao !
@@fantomplant Oh absolutely!!
@@fantomplant I remembered it!
There is an urban legend that in 97 Paul Verhoeven made a movie with the working title "Bug Hunt at Outpost Nine", about a bunch of young, good looking space soldiers fighting space bugs in space... which at the last minute was renamed "Starship Troopers" - Officially because they couldn't get the rights to the title until very late. The urban legend is that he had never heard of the book, was told on set at some point "This is almost like Starship Troopers", and decided to get the title rights... he allegedly read the first chapters, figured "This is boring", and simply tacked on some names to the characters.
I am not sure if that story is true, but this movie kind of feels like somebody decided to do that with the Crow... "We want to do this movie anyhow, let's just tack on some names, throw in a crow, and call it a remake"
omg literally!!! I'd never heard of that urban legend but gosh that fits with this remake so well
@@fantomplant I think that is the main issue that I have with this remake - they basically took a story that they already had in mind, and pasted the names over it. They claim that they are trying to make this Eric closer to the one in the original GN, but I don't see it. The GN Crow was unhinged, he was broken, but he only was so AFTER his death. Up until then he was a construction worker, who simply had the misfortune of having his car break down at the wrong time, so T-Bird and his friends ran into them and decided to have some fun.
That is the tragedy of both the GN and the original movie: Eric and Shelly were genuinely good people, who became victims by accident (in the GN because their car broke down, in the movie because Shelly tried to do the right thing and pissed off Top Dollar). In the movie T-Bird pretty much implies that they did not plan on killing Eric, he simply walked in on them "putting some fear into that little lady." ... which is bad enough of course. In any case, they were not killed because of "sins of their past catching up to them" or some shit like that, they were 100% innocent and in no way deserved what happened to them. Looking at the trailer to the remake, I find it hard to care about either of these characters.
As to the love between Eric and Shelly, in the first movie we only see flashbacks of it. We see how they interacted, but we do not get backstory of how they met, we do not know who they are, other than Eric being in a band and Shelly fighting tenant eviction. We can see that Shelly is a caring person because even while she is dying, she only asks about Eric and wants to make sure that he will take care of Sarah. The love between Eric and Shelly does not need build-up, we do not need to be told how special it is, because we can see it just from the few flashbacks of Eric's memories. The remake tries to hammer home how special the love between the two of them is by using bullshit lines like "you are my person" and showing us some sex scenes... that is not love, at least it is not the type of love that would merit the Crow sending Eric back for.
Sorry for the wall of text, I just get so pissed off about this movie... I am actually tempted to invite a bunch of friends over and watch the original again the night the remake hits the theatres... and then some other friends the next night... and some more the next...
@@carstentripscha4609 I could be wrong but I think I heard somewhere (a comment, possibly) that they were originally going to make the movie closer to the GN, then changed their minds? Idk why they couldn't just make new characters then, it really isn't that difficult to go to a baby name list.
Eric and Shelly being innocent just adds to the tragedy. not saying the remake characters deserve to die, but idk, it's just... dumb. Unnecessary, and loses that tragedy of completely innocent lives being lost. "What's the worst thing you've ever done" is a dumbass question for people who are supposed to be innocent lmaooo
but yeah, we don't need any other details for their relationship because they're just unimportant, all we need to know is what we saw. (speaking in terms of the movie) In the flashbacks- but also in Eric's reaction when he was remembering and seeing everything. And the fact that he is so kind and caring, both to Shelly and Sarah, but goes on to get revenge on the people responsible by killing them- honestly that just shows how much they loved each other as well.
and yeah ngl I was a little nervous to say that the sex scenes aren't equivalent to the emotional love shown in the original, lol I don't want to belittle anyone's relationships or anything, but it just feels like a cop out. And the whole "I thought you were beautifully broken" line might just make me lose it. like please do not borderline romanticize whatever issues they're having. addiction, mental illness, trauma, whatever it may be. it genuinely pisses me off and maybe thats unreasonable or I mistook the line, but I swear if I ever asked somebody why they first liked me and they said "yea your mental illness really drew me in" I'd have to break up with them on the spot LMAO. even if its because they can relate to each other over it- thats not how its framed and I hate it. (that might be a tangent, sorry, its just the bullshit lines that made me think of that LMAO)
dont worry about the wall of text, I love it lmao and am clearly guilty of it as well, my bad! you should definitely have a OG crow night with friends!! that sounds rad
@@fantomplant Fully agree with you on the romantization of mental illness or addiction, this glorification of being "broken". Eric and Shelly in the remake need help, they need a support system, but the trailer implies that all they need is each other... which is probably the worst message that you can send to both to anybody who is actually struggling with mental illness ("All you need to be fine is somebody who is as broken as you are") as well as to young, impressionable kids who do not have a lot of experience with relationships ("I need to be broken in order to find real love"). It is just as bad as the message that the Twilight movies / novels sent ("Stalking is love, and your whole world needs to revolve around him if you love him"). And I think that this is one of the reasons one of my favorite artists, Emilie Autumn, stopped performing. Her music was her way of dealing with her mental issues, basically it was making an album or killing herself. But a lot of her fans misunderstood the message, they did not realize that her albums were not about how cool it is to be mentally damaged, but a cry for help. It got so bad that she had to get pulled out of signing sessions after her shows, because she had breakdowns. She has not toured for more than ten years now :(
One of the other things I loved about the Lee movie, compared to what I see in the trailer here, is the dry humor and the smart little references. Eric Wincott as Top Dollar is memorable, he has a stage presence that is incredible. And so many of his lines are just so snarky, so dark. "By all means, let's have an introspective moment of silence for poor old Tin Tin" *takes huge snort of coke*; "Skank, your momma must be damn proud of you"; "Caw caw, bang, fuck I'm dead"... the list goes on... there is nothing supernatural about him, he has no greater agenda, he loves chaos, anarchy, disorder, because they are fun. But that is again a great point about the movie, there was no greater reason beyond Eric and Shelly's deaths, no nefarious plot, their deaths were utterly random and capricious. The villain in the remake? Not even a pale imitation, utterly forgettable.
And Eric and Shelly? They were smart, educated, erudite people. The book that T-Bird reads from in their apartment ("Abashed the Devil stood...") is from Milton's Paradise Lost, and it is symbolic as fuck, because when he is about to die, T-Bird (The Devil) realizes that he is in the presence of incorruptible good (Eric), and he is helpless, he is insignificant, he is abou to die, and seeing that Eric has come back, he knows that Judgement will be waiting for him on the other side, and he will be found wanting. His death to me is almost tragic, because of all four of the actual assailants, he is the one who realizes just how badly he screwed up, and you can see that he is starting to feel remorse... contrast that to the line in the remake's trailer "I killed you." "Yeah you did" - monotonous, no emotion, the guy might as well have said "I am wearing socks"
So Eric and Shelly kept a copy of Paradise Lost in their apartment, showing us, rather than telling, that they were smart and educated. And Eric not only quotes Poe when he enters Gideon's, but he picks a quote that is 100% spot-on. I don't see the new Eric doing that, I don't see him even knowing who Poe is. Brandon Lee's Eric Draven is smart, he is erudite, he has a sense of humor, but he is also vulnerable in so many ways. Just look at the scene where the little kids are running around him in slow motion? He is laughing, but he is close to tears at the same time, because he knows that this is something that is lost to Shelly and him.
Skarsgaard's Eric Draven does not give me any of those signals - I am TOLD that he is motivated by love, but I do not SEE it. I am TOLD that their love is oh so special, but I do not SEE it...
Sorry, another wall of text, so I am glad that I don't mind :) I tend to go off on rants and tangents :P
@@carstentripscha4609 yeah I hate hate hate that movies (and 2014 tumblr lol) send that message that any mental disorders can be fixed by finding a partner- whether that be someone who's also struggling, or someone who isn't but thinks they can fix you simply by being your partner, or vise versa. I've seen it in real life and it sucks, especially when they realize they can't fix you.
that, and the stalking and codependency idealization for sure, can lead to such toxic and abusive relationships, and its so sad that people might watch movies like twilight, 2024 crow, 50 shades, etc and think that 'this is how relationships should be.' I understand some of the reasoning behind liking some of these movies (I personally think twilight is just silly, and I've heard reasons for why people like 50 shades, even if I don't personally agree or get it) but the fact that some people won't realize that this is not how its supposed to be is so awful and dangerous.
gosh that's so sad, I feel so badly for her. I can't even imagine crying out for help and having someone say "that's so beautiful I want to be just like that." I really do not understand the romanticization of mental illness. it's not "beautifully broken," it's horrible and painful. (sorry that's an essay by itself, this is a personal subject so I get a lil heated sometimes lmaoo)
Top dollar was perfect as a villain. No morals, just doing whatever the hell he wants because he can. and my gosh his sarcastic lines are memorable.
"That's your sister?"
"Can't you see the resemblance?" as she like,, has her leg on him or whatever. LMAO LIKE ??? MY GUY PLEASE.
I do find the hints to his childhood a little interesting- like the quote his dad said about death (forgive me, I can't remember rn lol). it was like the tiniest bit of dimension, but his real motivations were nothing but feeling like it. Even if the remake *tried* to make their villain just as apathetic and amoral as top dollar, I seriously doubt they'll come close to his vibe. It doesn't look like they're going that route though, it looks like they're going with some kind of organized crime instead of anarchy.
with the lack of emotion throughout the entire trailer, it honestly doesn't surprise me one bit that nobody has an ounce of thought or remorse. I mean even the deaths in the OG were symbolic to each gang member- not just pew pew guns like all the remake appears to have. (Except for the single what appears to be a strangulation scene.) maybe I'm wrong but the majority of the deaths/attempts look like shootings, rather than anything with thought or symbolism, (again take the scene with Darla !! all of the needles !!)
hahaha yeah honestly, classic books and poetry doesn't look like something remake Eric would be into, but maybe im just being judgmental ;) I love that scene so much- I love the raven in general- but gosh its so perfect for that scene, there's something about that poem in general that just fits- even other than the words, if that makes sense. the whole feel of it, the way Brandon Lee delivers the lines, its just so perfect.
No one will be able to play Eric Draven like Brandon Lee, he really did capture the depth, details, nuance, and emotions of this character so perfectly. And yeah if you have to hold your audiences hand throughout the movie to tell them exactly what they should be feeling- instead of showing it and allowing them to feel it for themselves, you gotta do some rewriting. "show not tell" is an oldie but a goodie. typically used for books I believe but this movie could take the note too.
The original is beautifully haunting. Absolutely one of my favorites. Brandon gave his life for that film. Saw the trailer for the new one, looks beyond horrible, more than a dumpster fire. Like a slap in the face to Brandon, trying to ruin a great movie with a crappy remake.
it really is a movie that sticks with you, and unfortunately the trailer for this remake doesn't look like that type of movie. ofc can't fully judge it yet, it could be okay on its own, but as a remake it won't compare to Brandon lee's version. i really wish they'd changed the names bc you're right, this is Brandon lee's legacy and trying to remake it is just,, disappointing to say the least. I think someone else in the comments mentioned that maybe it will bring more people to the original movie, so that would be a good thing, but still
@@fantomplantI don't think it will, but I could be wrong. This one looks like a punk rock emo Crow. I agree they should've changed Eric and Shelly's name, people might not like the movie, and think the original would be similar and not watch it. The reboot is going to be a hard pass for me I think though.
@@waynefinnicumbb7218 yeah, just trying to keep an open mind lol, but I really dont have high hopes. (ngl if I watch it it'll be pretty much impossible to go into it with an open mind lol)
and oh my gosh yikes, I hope people don't think this remake is similar to the original, I hadn't thought of that. Hate to think this movie is being tainted by a cash grab edge-lord remake and putting people off of the original. I'm a fan of punk rock and emo, but this just looks so forced and "edgy" it's a little cringy.
and yep thats totally fair. eventually the new one will be out of sight out of mind hopefully lol
@@fantomplantI hope it's quickly out of sight and mind. Lol As for me, I love death metal and thrash, and this film looks like it'll make a mockery of any type of music it uses.
@@waynefinnicumbb7218 yeah.
I'm not a fan of gatekeeping but I'd gatekeep the hell outta my taste in music from this movie lmaoo
His voice sounds weird!!
Sorry Mr lee is the crow
haha it does sound a little awkward, i agree w you 100% brandon lee crow forever
I'm actually really excited about this and I wish people look more into it before writing it off. I'm glad you gave it a chance and are looking at it with an open mind. I see so many people saying it's just a cash grab and that it is disrespectful to the original author's story when the original comic writer is working on the story. That gives me so much hope. I love the comics and the original movie and the first sequel, and the tv show, and I'm sure I'm going to enjoy this one. Obviously nothing will ever mean as much to me as the original because its been my favorite for so long, but it looks really interesting.
I definitely want to be fair! it does look interesting, it definitely caught my attention- at least the part where he said she's running out of time. and I mean the shots of the water and the afterlife look super cool. I hadn't seen that the writer was actually involved in the making of this film, thank you for telling me! that definitely changes things a bit for me at least lol. I'd seen he said its unnecessary lmaoo, but I had no idea he was working on it as well! im so glad to hear that. I'll have to check out the tv show lol, since making this video I've heard good things :)
@@fantomplant yeah he said it was unnecessary with regards to other versions of the same project. I have a suspicion that even though they're credited as eric draven and shelly webster on imdb, i am kind of hoping it's a different eric and shelly. Eitherway, I really love the shots of them underwater too and the idea that her soul is in danger somehow and he's trying to help is really intriguing. Like everything you said was so spot on.
@@RobTheMack yeah, I think their characters will be way different than the original Eric and shelly, just based on the trailer alone.
I heard (now after reading into it a bit more lol) he said that this is like Dracula, where there's a Bela Lugosi version, and a Francis ford Coppola version, telling the same story but with different versions. I think thats a great metaphor, both for explaining what this remake is like, but also- Bela Lugosi is really known as Dracula, you know? so I think it also works in the way that Brandon Lee still is Eric Draven, and it doesn't have to remove that specialness there, and there is just another Eric Draven telling a different, but same story, if that makes sense.
and yeah they really caught me off guard with that plot idea!!
It's hard to be pretty open-minded because they went and used the names Eric and Shelly for these characters, who are, besides the names, completely unlike Eric and Shelly.
In the 1994 film, Eric dons the face paint at the mirror, where the thespian mask of tragedy hangs, and Eric paints his face in kind; an actor in his own tragedy, ready to bring some ironic and poetically cathartic violence to the perpetrators of that tragedy.
Tintin, the knife guy, is killed with his knives; Funboy with his drugs and guns is killed with those playthings; T-bird, the pyromaniac is killed with his fire; Skank, the speed freak, dies at terminal velocity after being thrown through the window of a tall building; the creepy woman who wanted to take people's eyes and who coveted the crow's power had her own eyes taken by the crow before falling to her death; and Top Dollar, the mastermind behind everyone's pain, had to feel all that protracted pain he had caused all at once, before falling and being epically impaled. None of this was random violence, the methods were thoughtful; purposeful; deliberate (except that last impaling anyway, that was kind of a cherry on top).
He goes to each in their own domain and shoves their own vice right down their throat, so they can suffer and die from it just like everyone else has. This is material to the spirit of the story, inspired by the tragic death of the author's fiancé at the hands of a drunk driver.
So making Eric and Shelly a couple of junkies living the fast life in this new movie is an absolute betrayal. This new Eric is less like Eric and more like somebody that would be hanging out with T-Bird's crew, somebody Eric would end up killing.
It's really hard to be open to it like you're suggesting here; you want people to look more into it before writing it off, but I sorta feel like if you're saying that, you haven't looked more into it yourself.
The sloppy, drippy, emo face paint in the new one, which apparently only even comes out in the last act, only vanishingly resembles what it should; and it was never just a franchise symbol to be embellished upon, it meant something, and that's largely lost here where the end result looks more like a deranged skull than a thespian mask.
They said they were trying to reimagine it all for "modern audiences" which almost always means that they don't really understand and care about the source material, and won't make the new piece in good faith; and that's exactly what it looks like we're seeing in this trailer, so you can hardly fault people for not giving it a chance. It's bad.
I know the crow might bring any character back to set wrongs right, and the circumstances and nature of each may be different, and that's fine. They could have made these any other characters and just said "I'm telling a different story," but they went and called them Eric and Shelly. Bold is an understatement. It's okay to re-make that, I'm not saying it isn't, I'm not that kind of purist. It could be done, and it could be done well. But this isn't it, and if they're going to invoke those names, then they're setting a very high bar for themselves. It's quite plain from the trailer and the plot information that's been released online, that this bar has not been met.
Whatever the new film may or may not do right, it's a betrayal to the Eric and Shelly characters. For people who love the 1994 movie, that's a hard line in the sand.
Why do you think James O’Barr is working on it? I’ve seen no sign that he’s involved at all.
It makes me laugh how people are pissed because their drug addicts in this film. Anyone who knows the comics will know that Eric is a drug addict 🙄😳🤔🤪 when you were worried about the part where time is running out, it doesn't mean shes being brought back to life! It just means time is running out for them to be together in the afterlife. I can't wait for this version!!! I wish people would just get over themselves, its unbelievable how many people think that the original is theirs and theirs alone? It belongs to everyone ffs! And some people weren't even born when the original came out 😳 I was 13yrs old and sneaked into the cinema to see it even though it was an 18! I don't think it is mine??? Let the new generation see this and then hope to bring them back to see the original version ❤❤ you make me laugh about making the love go by putting sex into it 😂 there's a lead up to a love making scene in the original movie 😂 the amount of excuses that not only yourself but other creators come out with for the reason to knock this version down without even seeing it yet is hilarious. You keep going on about the comic n James O'barr when you admit that you haven't even read it yet 🤷🏻♂️🙈🙈😳😱🤫🤫
hey! i appreciate your input, thanks sm for watching!
Eric was a drug addict after he came back as a revenant, which is very different from this.
I’m glad some people are looking forward to it, but this looks so generic.
And, what people are saying about the sex scene is that it feels like a failed attempt to make Eric and Shelley seem like they’re in love, but it doesn’t come across that way. It might be better in the full length film, but I get *no* chemistry from these two in the trailer. They come across like a hookup.