Our lost brothers from Rajasthan, India. I can understand a quarter of Romani words as we use them till today. Ek, do trin , nak shir. lal maas , gao, laklo, lakli and all that.Also Roma had Indian names till 18th century One is Panna and another is Amos Bihari, a great musician from Eastern Europe. Roma purity codes are same as us like menstruating women avoiding kitchen. In a taxi in Paris, when I said "chhora ko phone" to my wife, The Gypsy driver understood Sara Kali is also Indian Goddess.
In the UK 🇬🇧Gypsy Weddings in the Victorian Era was a Hand fasting. They returned one year and a day later to say whether Zi marry you , I marry you , I marry you , or not. Very often in Scotland 🏴.
Do you think these could be the ones that were spoken of as the noble ones or the Aryans in ancient Indian writing? The ones that came from between the black and Caspian Sea? I'm pretty young but I'm just curious. So did people come from between the black and Caspian Sea down into Northern India? Did they Assimilate and then leave? The people that are spoken of in the Vedas
@@choice12ozborne I'm gypsy/romano and we are a lot in Bulgaria we believe that we traveled and leave from India and river Ganga or ghang I'm not sure how to spelling it 🤷🏻 we traveled so many centuries. And the closest to indian language and words that we keep in Bulgaria is. Pani/water maro / bread moro/mine. Toro/your. Baba/grandfather mama/grandmother chavo /child and many other words we keep the traditions like the bride have to be Virgin and we have the almost same weddings there's a lot of gypsy all around the world but in Bulgaria we are so much and we know where we are came from
And that’s the thing about America: despite all the America-bashing, here, people who are treated badly overseas literally CAN reach out and take the opportunities here as these families are encouraging their children to do. :-) We really DON’T care where you are from; we care what you do and we honor that.
@@nerysghemor5781 I’m a Ukrainian Gypsy and this treatment to people unlike the illegal immigrants is literally the same. I lived my whole life and still it is the same.
@@AccordionistVik That's the thing, USA is literally a wolf in sheep's clothing and loves to lie. Immigrants do experience discrimination and republicans despise immigrants.
I am an Eastern European Roma, I was born in Satu Mare România but was adopted by westerners.I love my home and country so much but I also feel as if I missed out on so much of my culture and what it actually means to be a Romani man. I hope to find a wife one day who is also Romani but living here in America and never have really even meeting any of my people it is lonely. ❤
its so sad looking through these comments i am gypsy and we are like everybody else! were a culture that keeps to ourself we dont bother anyone we are not killers, rapist, terriost, drug dealers we are like everybody else! just because there is 1 unedcuated gypsy or 1 con artist doesnt make us all to be that! my father is a honest worker he does concreite and it is honest work. there is much worst in the world!
+shake bake hello shake i am from India, i know u might have been asked this before many times and i have no intentions of undermining the romas, but i just want to know how do guys cope with moving around so much? how do u guys settle at one place and then do jobs there? what kind of jobs do guys do? what are ur views on india?and do u ever plan on visiting india?
+BadRomaMan1 also if u think the migration of Gypsies from India is a make belief, then u need some good History lessons and a DNA test or some research in the Internet if u can't afford the other two
why are u confronting me as if i killed somebody u know :D, there is something called DNA testing too u know, we just try see that every one is related to us, no problem if u don't want to believe it or not, ROM people are certainly their own ethnically, besides its not like anybody is forcing u to become Indian, as a matter of fact most wont want that :) u guys left India over 1500 years ago u guys are definitely not Indians, but i am just pointing out who migrated from where , migration theories depend on DNA testing and not on somebodies personal beliefs, every body has the right to believe in his or her own theories
Well about DNA and emigration of Gypsies, since they have among they blad Asirian Arian and very rare only found among them R1a gene thay had to live India at the time off fall off Aria, but not 1500 years ago.And sice they were present in Byzantium they are defenetly European and not Indian.
Well you don't seem to be bothered using a name that is associated with tons of stereotypes that have barely anything to do with reality and usually means you're a nomadic thief.
I hate to break to ya but many ethnic backgrounds did that. It was the way of the world back then. The problem was, that many others let those ways go but the gypsies held onto to them longer so they developed a very bad reputation.
Roma (Gypsies) originated in the #Punjab region of northern #India as a nomadic people and entered Europe between the eighth and tenth centuries C.E. They were called "Gypsies" because Europeans mistakenly believed they came from Egypt. This minority is made up of distinct groups called "tribes" or "nations." 👇Read thia link👇 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people
To be clear, I do not personally consider diversity a negative thing. It means more good food, more music to listen to, and a more interesting life and culture in general. I grew up feeling like a foreigner in my native country. I can empathise with immigrants. You know what I'm sick and tired of? Ignorance. There are much more urgent things to deal with that affect all of humanity going on at the moment, and always, than, 'I prefer my music and my food and so I don't want to be your neighbour, and so on.....`
Thank you my friend. I wished more humans would be like you. You have my respect because you give Romanies chances and dont believe in all this prejudice crap.
They are part of us. Our Lost pral and Pena. I never met a Roma in my life but understand more than half their words. Ek do trin, chora. chori, laas maas, divas, bersh and so on. Our Indian brothers. "Tati" means hot in Romani. We in rajasthan, India now loosing this. Even Sara Kali is our Goddess.
+Tony Lyko Yes I am on facebook. My email is shree709@gmail.com. Even your proverbs are ours. A Roma proverb is that while selecting a daughter in law trust your ears more than your eyes meaning look for her reputation more than beauty. I remember my dad used to say this. Also Roma lady does not go to kitchen during certain days of her periods. We do the same. You break a plate when dog locks it, my mom used to do the same. You are our lost pra and pena. No doubt. Even great Roma musician's name Bihari is Indian. His daughter was Panna which is a feminine name in Rajasthan meaning saphire.
+BadRomaMan1 you are certainly not stupid and I know Romani language has picked up many words from where Roma moved into Europe. example you call road as drost which is Greek. what about chora chori DIVAS bersh yak naak gia sov tu mhe hiv chiri sassu sussro saalo saali dai kaki kakosa tati ek do trin and so on. do you honestly believe that words can travel on their own without the humans using them.50% maybe an exaggeration but 50 percent maybe n exaggeration but we do understand your words. also realise that your words are as they were spoken in Rajasthan during 11th century and we know today's words which are little different example you use hiv for snow which is him in Sanskrit .Himalaya is home of snow.today we use barf also which is Persian. your words are those used before arrival of Muslims in to India after which some Persian and Arabic words were added to our language but yours is free from this. what about names like Bihari and Panna. what about purity codes which I mentioned before what about Sara Kali why don't you give your views on these. I am a factory owner of 63 years of age in India and have no interest in Roma except when I saw our maid of gypsy origin at home in India there after understand few words of Romani being spoken by Roma on BBC a few years ago. there after an there after an italian Roma gave me lot of words pl see his presentation on utube. also pl see on utube " Girl from Kosovo finds her roots in India" also DNA does not change so many in Europe today have the DNA of Genghis Khan which is widely reported and is embarrassing to Europeans. similarly you are DNA matches hrs even today I know a doctor in Jaipur who did such tests
Anyone including the Bad Roma man can see " Romani an Indian lost language" by Adriano, an Italian Roma. Amazing similarity in many words with Sanskrit. Some words used in india even today, some lost in India too but can be identified.
Roma (Gypsies) originated in the #Punjab region of northern #India as a nomadic people and entered Europe between the eighth and tenth centuries C.E. They were called "Gypsies" because Europeans mistakenly believed they came from Egypt. This minority is made up of distinct groups called "tribes" or "nations." 👇Read thia link👇 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people
@@medusachristo3725 I would like Romani congress to urge Indian govt to provide Person of Indian status to Romani people , that will be default make them Indians. I saw many videos of Romani people in Europe living without nationality and being marginalized
@@ROHITKumar-gl6mmnationality is a made up concept anyways. If you research back to the dawn of man, and research the very early civilizations. You'll find that even before Egypt was Egypt and Rome was Rome that they were multiple different nations of people before that called something else entirely. What does that prove. That nationality is a man made construct. Hell, even look back to when we were cavemen. That proves that nationality is man made.
Alex and his two friends in beginning look straight from Rajasthan and Punjab provinces of India .Good to see them happy and prosperous after their forefathers suffered for centuries .
I remember being a kid in Chicago, there were a lot of Gypsys that moved in on Roosevelt Rd. by Kedzie ave. they lived in what used to be small stores, the woman wore colorfull clothes and the young men dressed like the rest of us and were a little darker skin color, they looked like they could have been Mexican, I can remember every now and then the man they called the King of the Gypsys would drive by in a chauffeured Cadillac. We had an interesting neighborhood, Italians, Mexicans, Blacks, Jews, everything but most were living in there own neighborhoods. this was in the middle to late 40's. enjoy.
They look Latino (South American), Indian and Italian all at once. My husband is Italian and I always tell him he looks Indian. His last name is Romano too, after watching this and reading the comments, now I think he has Gypsy blood. And I'm Dominican, born in DR, but obviously have Spanish blood. And there are Spanish gypsies. I feel I might also have this too. It would make a lot of sense. And I have the gift, along with many other spiritual gifts and am very attracted to Indian culture. I practice yoga, but spiritually. I meditate. I've had a visitation from Krishna. I thought all of my gifts came from my African side and my Taína (Indigenous) side. But, maybe not. So interesting!
My father is 💯 Gypsy I’m Half …. My father married my mom who is Italian… Gypsies just wanna make their money and mind their business and enjoy their life… We sometimes don’t want to socialize with anyone else other than other gypsies !!!! Plain and Simple… They are good people trying to earn a decent living 🍻
if dropping out in the 8th grade is the norm how do they get all of the bling? anyway, the only interaction i ever had with a Roma was when i was living in Switzerland. the guy immediately tried to talk me into loaning him my bike, he said he would be right back, he just wanted to go get the keys to his boat. i declined to loan him my bike and complimented him on the try.
The challenge I see as a person of Rroma descent is that if we are third generation or so and wish to integrate back into Rroma society, we are not necessarily welcome, because we are discriminated against. It works both ways. Acceptance is key to everything!
I'm a gypsy and to me that video was interesting because i see how my other brothers live in USA and it's very interesting 😇 god bless everyone in the world. O DEVEL TE DEL TUMEN BAH TAI SASTIPE ROMALEN ❤️
@@ritabobbi4681 Hello Rita!! My name is Theresa Green (IG: _greentee), I am a casting producer with Chatter TV. and we are currently working on a documentary series centered around people from different cultures who are considering arranged marriages, arranged introductions, or who have recently been engaged through an arrangement. The goal of the show is to provide a platform for these individuals and couples to document this important time in their lives, while also showing an honest and heartfelt portrayal that will hopefully break down any stereotypes and preconceived notions around "arranged marriage." I read your comment and wanted to inquire if you or someone you know might have an arranged marriage or an arranged introduction story that they would be open to sharing on television. Any information you could offer would be much appreciated and I’d be happy to answer any questions you might have about the project. Let me know!! -TG
@@paulnicholas2 Hello Paul!! I hope this message finds you well. My name is Theresa Green, I am a casting producer with Chatter TV. and we are currently working on a documentary series centered around people from different cultures who are considering arranged marriages, arranged introductions, or who have recently been engaged through an arrangement. The goal of the show is to provide a platform for these individuals and couples to document this important time in their lives, while also showing an honest and heartfelt portrayal that will hopefully break down any stereotypes and preconceived notions around "arranged marriage." I read your comment and wanted to inquire if you have any other friends or family that has an arranged marriage or an arranged introduction story they would be open to sharing on television? Any information you could offer would be much appreciated and I’d be happy to answer any questions you might have about the project. My IG page is: _greentee if you'd like to check page before responding. I hope to hear from you! Best, -TG
@@theresagreen6542 i live in los angles and all my family are gypsys and we like to believe we celebrate the more older more traditional gypsy ways like most children can’t go to school or are home schooled we start work at a young age we get married at a young age we pay for our wives we cook traditional gypsy dishes and fun fact about gypsys we all have last names but within our cultur we have last names that we call ourself by and that’s how we represent our clan than we where born to Eli, Quick, castello, muchuwaiai, boombelesti, sooloomiah, and there’s more but each one tells each us where we come from like russia germany and france mostly and who’s our people but there’s a lot more than that so if you wanna do a documentary let me know and i’ll run it by my family but to be honest they don’t really like my to do *gashey* things which means people who are not gypsy so basically they don’t like film them selves on camera making a documentary or even working a 9 to 5 job you’ll never see a gypsy working as a cashier. we are self employed or we own our own family company’s and we all do similar things like buying and selling cars and trucks or working with heavy metal and machinery or doing roofing work but we’re definitely always fixing something so yeah reply to this if you’re still interested
am part romni but i was raised in the comunity my farthers parants r full romani i speak the language and yes the bloodline comes from india rajashan,punjabi ,mumbai asia
@@BadRomaMan1 ua-cam.com/video/iOdTrTgmkFg/v-deo.html watch this... Even your colourful skirts.... Big moustache it's all same like Rajasthani culture...
ua-cam.com/video/Go7CxmezEsA/v-deo.html even dance styles similarities... Golden jewelry is must for newly weds... N loads of golden jewelry.. even rajasthani name also: Bihari, panna, Hari Ravi and many... Goddess Kali which all rajput clan used to pray before war also... Which cannot find any similarities in any other countries....
They are Indians. There is this misconception that gypsies (roma / sinti) are from Romania, but they are originally from the Punjab and Rajasthan regions in India.
FACTS: GYPSIES ( ROMA) are from PUNJAB - Northern INDIA. They were a miitary people from the LOHAR ( metal making caste). They practiced the HINDU religion and worshipped the Hindu Goddess Khali. They were forced to leave their motherland INDIA, during the ISLAMIC invasions, making theii way through central asia to Europe. However they have retained many of their PUNJABI features. Their language is a mix of Punjabi, Hindi, sanskrit and Bengali. They were wrongly called Gypsies by europeans when they thought they came from Egypt. The correct word to describe Roma / Gypsy is 'Bhanjara' They were forced to leave their motherland INDIA, during the ISLAMIC invasions, making theii way through central asia to Europe. However they have retained many of their PUNJABI features. As PUNJAB is in Northern India live in a cooler climate and the land is more fertile, hence they are taller , fairer and more strongly built than south Indians. PUNJABI Indians were the defenders of INDIANS and are the ONLY people in HISTORY to defeat the Afghans in a war! If you look at PUNJABIS today they are still taller, fairer and better built than other Indians including Roma, who have lost some of their Punjabi heritage, due to mixing with other racial groups. However recent DNA testing shows that they still retain majority PUNJABI INDIAN DNA.
Many Romany Gypsies live in North America. We have, like most of our heritage, found a halfway point between Roma and Gadge culture. While I respect Ian Hancock and all of his work, I also fear that he is trying to keep us in the past. Romanipen, like kosher is an important cultural aspect that unites us and to a certain extent, divides us. We need to maintain our culture and especially Romanes but we need to embrace education, while maintaining the non sexist parts of our culture. As a half Rom, I feel that I have little right to speak but....
I love this culture how they honor their daughters mothers sisters. Thank God for American Gypsies and for the mixing and mingling of all cultures. I have many friends of different faiths and heritage love it when I find that really deep down inside we are all so alike yet different
honor? LMFAO, the girls in our culture get fucked around because men think they are superior, thank god for our newer generation, without us romani culture would still be in the 1950’s
I am a Gypsy, that is who God made me and I am not ashamed. The stereotypes that has plagued our heritage is still alive and thrives in people of ignorance! There are so many different cultures in the world and each culture has its share of thieves, liars, and murderers. So how is it fair that we Gypsy's are being condemned as a whole for the few who commit crimes. You who hate us I feel sorry for you. My mother passed away about 5 years ago she would have lived if her doctor would have diagnosed her correctly but unfortunately that wasn't the case. So am I to hate all white people because this white doctor did not do his job correctly? Its time to stop all the racial discrimination in America, how are we ever going to move forward if we keep looking back. How does this glorify God by casting insults and threats at a particular person because of his/her ethnic back round. By reading some of these post I can see that racism is never going to be a thing of the past.
You wonder why these stereotypes are still applied to you? How about this: Because you keep using the term "gypsy!" Instead of disassociating yourself from that term, you use it and thereby give it and its stereotypes legitimacy.
Afghanistan is indo iranians like as the romantic indo iranians we are the same fathers huns avars tocharyan sogdyans from tajikistan for that our books is identical same origins afghan sindhy iranians tajik my our brothers afghan is like as to face becomes we have same origins huns avars Hebrews indo iranians broo afghan afghan we are brothers origins with Iran and tajikistan by huns avars tocharyan sogdyans
You know what’s funny? I subscribed to you awhile ago (with a different account) and I always thought you looked sort of part middle eastern or Indian…and I guess I wasn’t wrong!
I had to assimilate... The Hungarian government forcibly put me up for international (code for intercontinental) adoption, so I was raised transracially White by people who are of obviously White European-descent, but weren’t Hungarian, though. I had just enough exposure to my adoptive cultures of French, Irish & German to be proud of them, but grew-up with a very limited concept of race, let alone any knowledge of own full-blooded Roma ancestry. Still, I’m grateful that got I to grow-up simply as a typical American and not some walking cliche. (I have other friends who were internationally & transracially adopted, and they grew-up with super strict sub-cultures here in the States, especially heavily imposed religious stuff; that, or they just walk around like a real racist caricature of a White Italian or something because that’s how they were raised.)
Beautiful people still keep their genetic intact looking like their ancestors. Some times all the discrimination and abuse make a group more homogenous and stronger we need nomads tribes and archaic one to learn how to survive in the future. Human guarded patrimony they should be treasured!
Does Gadjo mean the samthing as Gorger. I know Spanish Gypsy call outsiders Gacho. Im Mexican and Salvadoran and according to my father my Great Grand father was a Roma Gypsy from Portugal but my grandfather became a Salvadoran and all gypsy culture is lost in my family.
People with college degrees who are still working at Starbux. Man who get a college degree, end up in some other career or profession that really didn't require that college degree, or any college for that matter. Some economists theorize that college is mostly a way to control the flow of new people into the workplace, slowing it down to a manageable trickle rather than a tidal wave. I've worked in the movie industry for 30 years, but no one ever asked for my high school, diploma. Gotcha!!
Bargaining over the purchase of a child bride and the ingrained rejection of Western education isn't necessarily what I'd call "progressive and favorable light". It actually highlight the huge cultural gap separating the Gipsy community from everyone else.
This is not your culture and you do not understand. Traditional Rom women want to be betrothed by mid teens. And, Rom kids forced into western "education" frequently get a 3rd rate education with developmentally delayed children - hardly an education in the normal sense.
@@claudiuhebkalo6903 these American gyspy are not mixed , they are pure indian.but European gyspy are intermixed.recently nirmadic indian chennel cover Ukrainian gyspy
I'm gypsy and I'm not ashamed of it i'm sick of seeing peoples faces when I tell them I'm Gypsy and I'm sick of seeing other gypsies saying there a Italian or Russian being ashamed of saying that they gypsies WHY it's because gypsies did it for themselves gypsies need to stand up for themselves and stop lying it's like they're literally allowing The racism and I'm not saying all gypsies are good no because I would be lying to you just like everybody else in the world there's good people and there's bad people just like every Minority gypsies need to stand up for themselves and people just need to stop being racist in general because people are people
Look. I'm not going to hate anyone or treat anyone poorly or think poorly of anyone just because of their ethnicity or culture but I think that should work both ways. Look at the derogatory views a lot of rom have about gadjes. That we are polluting and the myths about the things it's ok to do to gadjes that it really isn't. Maybe you don't hold those views. I'm a jew. I don't hold a lot of the views that anti-semities say the talmud says I do. But you know as well as I do that many traditional rom are prejudice against gadje, and in the U.S. I would say rom are more prejudice against gadje than gadje are to rom because most gadje in the U.S. don't even know that "gypsies" are an actual people.
One reason some Roma appear more European is because of periods of active assimilation policies to 'breed out' Roma in some location - including England, where children were removed from their families and it was illegal for Roma to marry each other. Therefore it stands to reason some Roma no longer appear Indian, or even remotely South Asian.
@BadRomaMan1djala michto😊👍 Thank you very much I am happy to learn more about our community in the United States personally I love this country I have already gone on vacation 3 times to the United States in Los Angeles Miami and New York but I have not had the opportunity to meet gipsies personally in France we have rights and aid from the French State but it is true that there are certain things that we cannot do as we want for example most of the gypsies Roma in France travel in a caravan but the French government wants us to stop circulating in a caravan so there is a large majority of gypsies who have stopped circulating in a caravan to live in a house all year round there is another thing that is complicated in France for us gypsies is that we cannot practice our religion as we want then cause United States you can speak of God or you want as you want without you being stopped by the police we in France the vast majority of gypsies Rome its ch retien evangelist it happens that we make great gathering with 20 miles caravan and a huge tent to be able to make our meeting with the biggest pastor of Europe gypsy evangelists but often the French prevents us from doing it is great gathering in the open air but the positive thing in France is that we have the same help as any French citizen for example if someone does not work or who have no money it is the French State which pays all its medical expenses and we can have a small salary of 500 € per month what is positive in France.
sumerian are also indian mesopotemia and indus have cultural similaties,trade, look at indus and sumeria relation in ancient times indus/india was called maluha
The gypsies are everywhere, it seems. They seem like a fascinating group of people. I like their music very much. It seems like they are in India, all over Europe, in the states, in Canada, and in Brazil. They have travelled a lot. Many of the gypsies in the states look like ordinary white people, as I have watched those gypsy shows on TV. It seems absolutely pathetic how people in Europe and possibly in the states have hated them. It is also sad how they have been treated in Europe.
+Shawn G : I'm a Euro-American with some Gypsy heritage and I haven't faced any problems of bigotry against my "Gypsyness" - I don't count the internet. Both Europe and India have been bad to us in the past, culminating in genocide by the World War II German Nazis. Today's Europe could do a better job at assimilating Gypsies, yet Gypsy bands must make an effort to become absorbed into the mainstream. It's hard to be liked when you're forced to survive by committing acts of thievery. My Gypsy ancestors ultimately did a good job, because their descendants became productive members of American society.
+shree prakash Loya : Firstly, I love India and Indians, and love having Indian roots. I must clarify my statement about India being bad to Gypsies. There are at least a couple of theories as to why the Gypsies migrated out of India. The first is that Gypsies came from the Jats (a tribe of Northern India) that were expelled from India about 900 years ago, because of religious wars. Another theory is that Gypsies left on their own accord around 900 years ago, because they were tired of being treated as inferiors in Indian society. Either way, it was so long ago as to have any relevance regarding attitudes towards one another.
+JeffGR4 they are mostly rajputs a warrier class second in hierarchy after Brahmins. no question of bad treatment to them. they were tired sold iers of the army of king Prithviraj chauhan of Ajmer India and left in 1050 west. some came south. that r still here. u can understand them. I am from north but live in south. I have a Roma maid and know their words.
+shree prakash Loya : Warrior class - I like the sound of that! Thanks a lot for that information, I always thought my Romani ancestors were considered some kind of undesirables in the caste system of India, but it's great to learn that they were actually brave, strong men that were venerated. In keeping with that warrior tradition, my great uncle (also of Romani descent) was a member of the U.S. Army's 82nd Airborne Division that fought the Germans in World War II.
Gypsy’s are not purely Indian wtffffff they leave India YEARSSSSS AGO okay! we don’t know where we really come from some say Israel India some say this or that don’t call us Indians call us Romani
You wouldn't believe the prejudice and racism I got in School. Based upon my race in California did anyone tell anyone else to stop? Its hard time that we made ourselves known.
This it's what I noticed about Gypsy dancing women : staring in Pakistan and India ,women pretty much are fully clothed ,enter Europe and in Romania and Yugoslavia they are still covered ,and then Italy Spain Germany and Portugal and Britain and beyond....they become half naked showing lots of skin. Figure that out.
@@abee1559 Yes, your observation is correct!The gypsies ancestors the Dom tribe( hence Rom or plural Roma) went out from the Indian subcontinent a 1000 years ago and first settled in the middle-east. It was then that the various tribes: Dom, Banjara, Chauhan, Sikligar, Lohar, Dhangar, Kalbeliya-that had left the subcontinent began to mix with Iranians, Kurds and Arabs and there they formed the Roma people and culture! Their identity was formed in the middle-east! The tribes that had remained in India are not Roma themselves!
they are indian sumerian are also indian mesopotemia and indus have cultural similaties,trade, look at indus and sumeria relation in ancient times indus/india was called maluha
i had done my ancestry dna test and i found out that im a roma irish travelers mix god if i had known when i was younger i wouldnt of drove my family crazy by asking all the time when i was younger also im from america btw isnt life grand im so happy :)
India is the cradle of civilization , brown Indians were the first people, they migrated across Europe and lost their skin pigment and acquired coloured eyes and became the white people over a period of thousands of years , likewise was the case when they migrated further south to Africa and evolved with black skin because of more sunlight exposure and some of the Africans than evolved more high cheek bones migrated to the China region and evolved with Chinese features and more or less the other races are mixtures of these four races , just a theory I and a few Scientists share in common.
Our friend Ray Kalm is right, I myself have been astonished at home some Roma I met in the flesh looked so very Pakistani. But they didn't start off looking this way, its only because they have had some assimilation with 'fairer' toned nations that they look like someone from the North of Pakistan or Iran rather than darker like those from Rajasthan from India. But if one looks at earlier images it is often obvious that they were darker than most Pakistanis/Afghans/Persias.
+JeffGR4 Be proud of it. You have a clear 1050 years of history behind you. My salutations for keeping words, traditions and attitudes alive even after 50 generations since you left India. People melt in two generations.
Even the former French president Nicholas Sarkozy is of Roma-Gypsy origin from his father side! His father fleed Hungary in 1945, when the Soviets invaded Hungary! Sarkozi is a typical gypsy name in Hungary!
Is he? What is your source for that claim? You see as far as I know his father was an Hungarian aristocrat and the family fled Hungary in 1944, returned in 1945 and then he fled to France via Austria and Germany. Or are you claiming that he is "Roma-Gypsy" because of his family name? So Rosenberg is an old "gypsy name" in Germany, does that mean that Alfred Rosenberg was a gypsy? Weiss is a very common "gypsy name" in Germany, does that mean that Vincent Weiss is of that ancestry? Or how about everyone called Wagner? Or Reinhard for that matter?
inotaishu1 sorry to interrupt.I think Roma took European last names like blacks did in the US. The real last names or Roma are same as Rajputs like Chauhan sisodia nainavat shekhawat chudavat etc. Gone now. Mhe shov tha panch bersh .Live in India Did lot of research on Roma in two years. We use your language daily here. Choral chhori tati upral thalle pral Pena su karis gia sov and so on.
hahaha, Im agreeing with you. They do come from the Indian region, many many many years ago. I disagreed with the guy above us when he said Gypsies didnt show up in Romania until after the holocaust...which is wrong. Feel free to scroll up and read the rest of the comments
Like all peoples who settle in America, as much as they may cling to their old values, they are eventually absorbed into the mainstream culture. The mainstream allure is just too strong to resist. On the whole I don't think that's bad. In fact that's exactly what makes this country the superior country of the world. By superior I mean we are because we ARE everybody from all over the world. This creates a dynamism that can't be topped anywhere else.
Wikipedia states that the Roma people originated from India. But some do look like Indians and some their skin tone looks like a mix of Indian and eastern european/italian etc. Very interesting.. Could they have mixed/bred with Europeans ? But their culture prevents them from mixing... so I am quite intrigued how their skin tones just changed.. over time
Its not wanted of Roma to get mixed with Gadje (non Gypsies) but of course it happened from time to time. Mostly Romani Men intermarried with Gadje women. And some Roma groups like Sinti in western europe got to know white nomadic folks like the yenish people of switzerland who were persecuted too and some intermarried with this Yenish people. Other Roma groups like the Romanichals in Great Britain met the irish traveller a white nomadic folk (like swiss yenish) and intermarried with them.
Sergio Athanasso you guys look like from India are you sure you guys are gypsies to correct you their is no lost tribe in Israel and if they are their the descendent from Hagger an Egypt slave
He's a rummage gypsy and he's not a Eli not by a long shot Eli s one of the more prestige and classy of the gypsies and big money makers he's not one of them I am eli he should say who he really is ????? A nobody
My best friend in middle school and highschool claimed to be Gypsy. I didn't understand what that meant back then, I had internet if I went to the library, you know? Later on and I mean years later I understand. He used me, my mom and my grandma. He knew what he was doing. Y'all saying you respect these people and I am just hurt.
we don't kill, rape,nor do anything bad in ways you hear on TV. we live life for our families and our people. we don't need school we make more then doctors just doing asphalt, we don't sell our daughters, its an old fashion dowrey, this kid made it like he's buying a slave. this is not true, she will be a topical housewife. yoy, I so delo chavoro penal. nah ja undre UA-cam the penjas delineepen. o deli no delo chavo.
Native Americans were forced to assimilate, today we realize that that was wrong. The Romany people should not be forced to assimilate. Its our choice, don't forget diversity is our country's strength.
sumerian are also indian mesopotemia and indus have cultural similaties,trade, look at indus and sumeria relation in ancient times indus/india was called maluha
Everyone is giving a negative opinion on Romani people. Like before I even knew anything about “Gypsies” everyone seems to associate all these terrible things with them. I never let others negative views change what I think about a group of people. Especially since I am also a minority, being black and Muslim. I know the stereotypes people can have towards me, it makes sense if I have a lot of compassion for others. I’m in middle school with a friend who is Romani and hearing people comment on her being a thief, when she is 100% not and seeing how she is bullied I started looking into it. Seeing all these hateful comments is crazy to me. Someone with literally no real knowledge of “Gypsies” can go through the comments and develop a hate towards Romani ppl easily.
my question to all the gypsie people , why don't many gypsies look more like the peoples from this video and look european , i mean u guys are supposed to be Indo-aryans ethnically, or are some other european nomadic groups also misunderstood as gypsies, or was it because of intermixing with peoples from different parts of the world, PS: i dont mean any disrespect in any ways, i am an Indian too
+Aishik Das Its actually quite complicated because we come various castes in India to begin with, and if you visit India, you will find various types of appearences, from dark skinned to green eyed. Add in mixing, and of course, there non-Romani groups that are also called gypsies, which is why I hate the term, gypsies are not Rom they are redheaded irish travellers, that see their way life as being gypsy, not their langauge, etc.
exactly, thing is we are rom, those gazhe call themselves gypsies, just like in the movie snatch. It took me a while to get it, that these people were not rom, they were just gazhe that call themselves gypsies. My grandmother was mistaken for being black in the USA, she was that dark, while I am lighter than she was, but not close to being redhaired, although other rom do consider me pretty light. I would say I pass for a Puerto Rican.
They keep getting jealous on each other then call the cops on each other and getting killed for people's life then don't want to take our 37000 and settle what he burn our house down and they don't want to give us no money
0 seconds ago I can speak about this because I am Romani. We have Indian roots from 3 thousand years ago. WE ARE NOT INDIAN. We are Europeans because when we left India 3k years ago and we went to East Europe and then eventually Western Part. But, when we were there, we were forced to take European partners as a way to assimilate into the new world. Hence, many gypsies are very much mixed. I am 15 percent Indian but, the rest of me is Greek, Turkish, Sicilian, Bulgarian, Romanian, etc. please don’t be ignorant and blurt information about a people or things you do not understand. It is highly offensive to those people. Have some respect.
Our lost brothers from Rajasthan, India. I can understand a quarter of Romani words as we use them till today. Ek, do trin , nak shir. lal maas , gao, laklo, lakli and all that.Also Roma had Indian names till 18th century One is Panna and another is Amos Bihari, a great musician from Eastern Europe. Roma purity codes are same as us like menstruating women avoiding kitchen.
In a taxi in Paris, when I said "chhora ko phone" to my wife, The Gypsy driver understood
Sara Kali is also Indian Goddess.
In the UK 🇬🇧Gypsy Weddings in the Victorian Era was a Hand fasting. They returned one year and a day later to say whether Zi marry you , I marry you , I marry you , or not. Very often in Scotland 🏴.
@@xvsupremacy7190 stf u prob watched that goofy tlc shit thing those people were not romani they were irish travellers
Do you think these could be the ones that were spoken of as the noble ones or the Aryans in ancient Indian writing? The ones that came from between the black and Caspian Sea? I'm pretty young but I'm just curious. So did people come from between the black and Caspian Sea down into Northern India? Did they Assimilate and then leave? The people that are spoken of in the Vedas
I was actually thinking they look Latino (South American), Indian, and Italian all at once.
@@choice12ozborne I'm gypsy/romano and we are a lot in Bulgaria we believe that we traveled and leave from India and river Ganga or ghang I'm not sure how to spelling it 🤷🏻 we traveled so many centuries. And the closest to indian language and words that we keep in Bulgaria is. Pani/water maro / bread moro/mine. Toro/your. Baba/grandfather mama/grandmother chavo /child and many other words we keep the traditions like the bride have to be Virgin and we have the almost same weddings there's a lot of gypsy all around the world but in Bulgaria we are so much and we know where we are came from
And that’s the thing about America: despite all the America-bashing, here, people who are treated badly overseas literally CAN reach out and take the opportunities here as these families are encouraging their children to do. :-) We really DON’T care where you are from; we care what you do and we honor that.
Not anymore :/
@@AccordionistVik Despite what the media claims, most of us really do like legal immigrants.
@@nerysghemor5781 I’m a Ukrainian Gypsy and this treatment to people unlike the illegal immigrants is literally the same. I lived my whole life and still it is the same.
@@AccordionistVik That's the thing, USA is literally a wolf in sheep's clothing and loves to lie. Immigrants do experience discrimination and republicans despise immigrants.
Eh not really true
they look like Indian... so fascinating to learn they r actually form india originally! :)
They look mexican to im mexican and you can confus them for my race but mexico has spanish arb descent
Evelyn Diaz Mexicans also look like Indians.
we come from israel to india before before
Mexicans are indians!!!
No we come from Sumeria, there are tablets of cuniform text about the Gypsy people.
I am 50% Gypsy. My father is 100% and this video is very true, but barely scratches the surface of our culture and traditions.
Same here. Theyll never understand
100 percent. Actually can’t stand these type of videos. You have no idea. Watch 50 videos, you’ll never understand.
I wanted more seasons of American Gypsies!!! Very intriguing!!
your not a gypsy lol
I am an Eastern European Roma, I was born in Satu Mare România but was adopted by westerners.I love my home and country so much but I also feel as if I missed out on so much of my culture and what it actually means to be a Romani man. I hope to find a wife one day who is also Romani but living here in America and never have really even meeting any of my people it is lonely. ❤
its so sad looking through these comments i am gypsy and we are like everybody else! were a culture that keeps to ourself we dont bother anyone we are not killers, rapist, terriost, drug dealers we are like everybody else! just because there is 1 unedcuated gypsy or 1 con artist doesnt make us all to be that! my father is a honest worker he does concreite and it is honest work. there is much worst in the world!
+shake bake hello shake i am from India, i know u might have been asked this before many times and i have no intentions of undermining the romas, but i just want to know how do guys cope with moving around so much? how do u guys settle at one place and then do jobs there? what kind of jobs do guys do? what are ur views on india?and do u ever plan on visiting india?
+BadRomaMan1 also if u think the migration of Gypsies from India is a make belief, then u need some good History lessons and a DNA test or some research in the Internet if u can't afford the other two
why are u confronting me as if i killed somebody u know :D, there is something called DNA testing too u know, we just try see that every one is related to us, no problem if u don't want to believe it or not, ROM people are certainly their own ethnically, besides its not like anybody is forcing u to become Indian, as a matter of fact most wont want that :) u guys left India over 1500 years ago u guys are definitely not Indians, but i am just pointing out who migrated from where , migration theories depend on DNA testing and not on somebodies personal beliefs, every body has the right to believe in his or her own theories
Well about DNA and emigration of Gypsies, since they have among they blad Asirian Arian and very rare only found among them R1a gene thay had to live India at the time off fall off Aria, but not 1500 years ago.And sice they were present in Byzantium they are defenetly European and not Indian.
Well you don't seem to be bothered using a name that is associated with tons of stereotypes that have barely anything to do with reality and usually means you're a nomadic thief.
Your origin is from India. You travelled the world encountering so many oppressions. Complete respect!!
They travelled the world, feeding off of others like parasites.
I hate to break to ya but many ethnic backgrounds did that. It was the way of the world back then. The problem was, that many others let those ways go but the gypsies held onto to them longer so they developed a very bad reputation.
Gypsy are extremely mixed but there true origin is Indian but now Indian European etc
Roma (Gypsies) originated in the #Punjab region of northern #India as a nomadic people and entered Europe between the eighth and tenth centuries C.E. They were called "Gypsies" because Europeans mistakenly believed they came from Egypt. This minority is made up of distinct groups called "tribes" or "nations."
👇Read thia link👇
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people
Branco Sebastian Martinez that’s actually not true
They are appear Hispanic, Arab, East Indian, Sicilian , dark hair, olive or brown skin.
@@sylvialupehernandez9154 What I know is that in Europe Roma Gypsies not usually intermarry with other ethnic groups.
Originally the gypsies order from China and they went from China to India and you know the story after that.
Your Romani seem to blend in better than ours in Finland.
same for France ahahahah
@@FougueBooks these American Romani look like pure indian
The US is pretty diverse, and many people from Latin America live here, so it makes sense.
To be clear, I do not personally consider diversity a negative thing. It means more good food, more music to listen to, and a more interesting life and culture in general.
I grew up feeling like a foreigner in my native country. I can empathise with immigrants.
You know what I'm sick and tired of? Ignorance. There are much more urgent things to deal with that affect all of humanity going on at the moment, and always, than, 'I prefer my music and my food and so I don't want to be your neighbour, and so on.....`
Immigrants in America generally integrate and assimilate better compared to the ones in Europe
Thank you my friend. I wished more humans would be like you. You have my respect because you give Romanies chances and dont believe in all this prejudice crap.
They are part of us. Our Lost pral and Pena. I never met a Roma in my life but understand more than half their words. Ek do trin, chora. chori, laas maas, divas, bersh and so on. Our Indian brothers. "Tati" means hot in Romani. We in rajasthan, India now loosing this. Even Sara Kali is our Goddess.
Kind words man, u have facebook? Wouldn't mind talking to u
+Tony Lyko Yes I am on facebook. My email is shree709@gmail.com.
Even your proverbs are ours. A Roma proverb is that while selecting a daughter in law trust your ears more than your eyes meaning look for her reputation more than beauty. I remember my dad used to say this.
Also Roma lady does not go to kitchen during certain days of her periods. We do the same. You break a plate when dog locks it, my mom used to do the same.
You are our lost pra and pena. No doubt.
Even great Roma musician's name Bihari is Indian. His daughter was Panna which is a feminine name in Rajasthan meaning saphire.
+shree prakash What's your name on Facebook. Add me if you want Tony Lyko. My picture is me with a cross
+Tony Lyko I am with the name Shree prakash Loya
I shall try add you to my network. you may also send mail to me .
shree709@gmail.Thanks.
+BadRomaMan1 you are certainly not stupid and I know Romani language has picked up many words from where Roma moved into Europe. example you call road as drost which is Greek. what about chora chori DIVAS bersh yak naak gia sov tu mhe hiv chiri sassu sussro saalo saali dai kaki kakosa tati ek do trin and so on. do you honestly believe that words can travel on their own without the humans using them.50% maybe an exaggeration but 50 percent maybe n exaggeration but we do understand your words. also realise that your words are as they were spoken in Rajasthan during 11th century and we know today's words which are little different example you use hiv for snow which is him in Sanskrit .Himalaya is home of snow.today we use barf also which is Persian. your words are those used before arrival of Muslims in to India after which some Persian and Arabic words were added to our language but yours is free from this. what about names like Bihari and Panna. what about purity codes which I mentioned before what about Sara Kali why don't you give your views on these. I am a factory owner of 63 years of age in India and have no interest in Roma except when I saw our maid of gypsy origin at home in India there after understand few words of Romani being spoken by Roma on BBC a few years ago. there after an there after an italian Roma gave me lot of words
pl see his presentation on utube. also pl see on utube " Girl from Kosovo finds her roots in India"
also DNA does not change so many in Europe today have the DNA of Genghis Khan which is widely reported and is embarrassing to Europeans. similarly you are DNA matches hrs even today I know a doctor in Jaipur who did such tests
Anyone including the Bad Roma man can see " Romani an Indian lost language" by Adriano, an Italian Roma. Amazing similarity in many words with Sanskrit. Some words used in india even today, some lost in India too but can be identified.
Yes We Are Indian.
Roma (Gypsies) originated in the #Punjab region of northern #India as a nomadic people and entered Europe between the eighth and tenth centuries C.E. They were called "Gypsies" because Europeans mistakenly believed they came from Egypt. This minority is made up of distinct groups called "tribes" or "nations."
👇Read thia link👇
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people
@@medusachristo3725 I would like Romani congress to urge Indian govt to provide Person of Indian status to Romani people , that will be default make them Indians. I saw many videos of Romani people in Europe living without nationality and being marginalized
@@ROHITKumar-gl6mmnationality is a made up concept anyways. If you research back to the dawn of man, and research the very early civilizations. You'll find that even before Egypt was Egypt and Rome was Rome that they were multiple different nations of people before that called something else entirely. What does that prove. That nationality is a man made construct. Hell, even look back to when we were cavemen. That proves that nationality is man made.
As a gypsy when I see all the hate we get and see that people call us criminals it's really upsetting.
Da Boss not in America. If you are a Gypsy why are you pushing the stereotype?
I relate as an African American
Alex and his two friends in beginning look straight from Rajasthan and Punjab provinces of India .Good to see them happy and prosperous after their forefathers suffered for centuries .
I remember being a kid in Chicago, there were a lot of Gypsys that moved in on Roosevelt Rd. by Kedzie ave. they lived in what used to be small stores, the woman wore colorfull clothes and the young men dressed like the rest of us and were a little darker skin color, they looked like they could have been Mexican, I can remember every now and then the man they called the King of the Gypsys would drive by in a chauffeured Cadillac. We had an interesting neighborhood, Italians, Mexicans, Blacks, Jews, everything but most were living in there own neighborhoods. this was in the middle to late 40's. enjoy.
eogg25 wow such a diverse neighbourhood you lived in
Fascinating! Care to share a little more?
familiae honorem there’s a a lot of us tbh
There are many I'm west Rogers park
Sounds like a movie 🤣
They look Latino (South American), Indian and Italian all at once.
My husband is Italian and I always tell him he looks Indian. His last name is Romano too, after watching this and reading the comments, now I think he has Gypsy blood.
And I'm Dominican, born in DR, but obviously have Spanish blood. And there are Spanish gypsies.
I feel I might also have this too.
It would make a lot of sense.
And I have the gift, along with many other spiritual gifts and am very attracted to Indian culture.
I practice yoga, but spiritually. I meditate. I've had a visitation from Krishna.
I thought all of my gifts came from my African side and my Taína (Indigenous) side. But, maybe not.
So interesting!
welcome brothers ❤ from india
you are right in your observation. I have seen several Brazilian, Italian & Indian who look same
My father is 💯 Gypsy I’m Half …. My father married my mom who is Italian… Gypsies just wanna make their money and mind their business and enjoy their life… We sometimes don’t want to socialize with anyone else other than other gypsies !!!! Plain and Simple… They are good people trying to earn a decent living 🍻
better advice would be "don't steal and nobody will hate you".
Like We Commited Mass Murders, Rapes? By Your Logic, Should People Dislike Germans Because They Have Caused So Much Chaos?
I'm a Roma too unfortunately I suffer from racism so I have to hide my identity usually.
We all do 🥺... it's a Roma thing you know ❤ that's why is important to keep the thights to the family 😊🥰
I printed myself a t-shirt in the front it says I am not a gypsy in the back it says I'm a guy Jo 2
if dropping out in the 8th grade is the norm how do they get all of the bling? anyway, the only interaction i ever had with a Roma was when i was living in Switzerland. the guy immediately tried to talk me into loaning him my bike, he said he would be right back, he just wanted to go get the keys to his boat. i declined to loan him my bike and complimented him on the try.
The challenge I see as a person of Rroma descent is that if we are third generation or so and wish to integrate back into Rroma society, we are not necessarily welcome, because we are discriminated against. It works both ways. Acceptance is key to everything!
I'm a gypsy and to me that video was interesting because i see how my other brothers live in USA and it's very interesting 😇 god bless everyone in the world. O DEVEL TE DEL TUMEN BAH TAI SASTIPE ROMALEN ❤️
"At 18, Alex contends he is ready for marriage"
A decade later, is he still married? That is the question
Most likely, we don’t really believe in divorce
Yes I know the couple personally they are happily married with children
@@ritabobbi4681 Hello Rita!!
My name is Theresa Green (IG: _greentee), I am a casting producer with Chatter TV. and we are currently working on a documentary series centered around people from different cultures who are considering arranged marriages, arranged introductions, or who have recently been engaged through an arrangement.
The goal of the show is to provide a platform for these individuals and couples to document this important time in their lives, while also showing an honest and heartfelt portrayal that will hopefully break down any stereotypes and preconceived notions around "arranged marriage."
I read your comment and wanted to inquire if you or someone you know might have an arranged marriage or an arranged introduction story that they would be open to sharing on television.
Any information you could offer would be much appreciated and I’d be happy to answer any questions you might have about the project.
Let me know!!
-TG
@@paulnicholas2 Hello Paul!! I hope this message finds you well. My name is Theresa Green, I am a casting producer with Chatter TV. and we are currently working on a documentary series centered around people from different cultures who are considering arranged marriages, arranged introductions, or who have recently been engaged through an arrangement.
The goal of the show is to provide a platform for these individuals and couples to document this important time in their lives, while also showing an honest and heartfelt portrayal that will hopefully break down any stereotypes and preconceived notions around "arranged marriage."
I read your comment and wanted to inquire if you have any other friends or family that has an arranged marriage or an arranged introduction story they would be open to sharing on television?
Any information you could offer would be much appreciated and I’d be happy to answer any questions you might have about the project. My IG page is: _greentee if you'd like to check page before responding.
I hope to hear from you!
Best,
-TG
@@theresagreen6542 i live in los angles and all my family are gypsys and we like to believe we celebrate the more older more traditional gypsy ways like most children can’t go to school or are home schooled we start work at a young age we get married at a young age we pay for our wives we cook traditional gypsy dishes and fun fact about gypsys we all have last names but within our cultur we have last names that we call ourself by and that’s how we represent our clan than we where born to Eli, Quick, castello, muchuwaiai, boombelesti, sooloomiah, and there’s more but each one tells each us where we come from like russia germany and france mostly and who’s our people but there’s a lot more than that so if you wanna do a documentary let me know and i’ll run it by my family but to be honest they don’t really like my to do *gashey* things which means people who are not gypsy so basically they don’t like film them selves on camera making a documentary or even working a 9 to 5 job you’ll never see a gypsy working as a cashier. we are self employed or we own our own family company’s and we all do similar things like buying and selling cars and trucks or working with heavy metal and machinery or doing roofing work but we’re definitely always fixing something so yeah reply to this if you’re still interested
am part romni but i was raised in the comunity my farthers parants r full romani i speak the language and yes the bloodline comes from india rajashan,punjabi ,mumbai asia
that just a tiny bit of dna your just white
Jay Shree Ram . Love from India 🚩 🙏
They totally look like Indian. They got Rajasthani words too in their language... Love from India
I speak the Romani language very good could you tell me what exactly would those words be
@@BadRomaMan1 but lava isi, sar kado lav pral romano ko Rajasthan avela sar pra
@@BadRomaMan1 ua-cam.com/video/iOdTrTgmkFg/v-deo.html watch this... Even your colourful skirts.... Big moustache it's all same like Rajasthani culture...
ua-cam.com/video/Go7CxmezEsA/v-deo.html even dance styles similarities... Golden jewelry is must for newly weds... N loads of golden jewelry.. even rajasthani name also: Bihari, panna, Hari Ravi and many... Goddess Kali which all rajput clan used to pray before war also... Which cannot find any similarities in any other countries....
Arrange marriage culture... N dowry is all same... Even in rajasthan early age marriage culture was there..
Keep it that way, my friend and don't let anyone insult you. Love your culture ^^
Do you wanna move next to them?
They are Indians. There is this misconception that gypsies (roma / sinti) are from Romania, but they are originally from the Punjab and Rajasthan regions in India.
FACTS: GYPSIES ( ROMA) are from PUNJAB - Northern INDIA. They were a miitary people from the LOHAR ( metal making caste). They practiced the HINDU religion and worshipped the Hindu Goddess Khali.
They were forced to leave their motherland INDIA, during the ISLAMIC invasions, making theii way through central asia to Europe. However they have retained many of their PUNJABI features.
Their language is a mix of Punjabi, Hindi, sanskrit and Bengali.
They were wrongly called Gypsies by europeans when they thought they came from Egypt. The correct word to describe Roma / Gypsy is 'Bhanjara'
They were forced to leave their motherland INDIA, during the ISLAMIC invasions, making theii way through central asia to Europe. However they have retained many of their PUNJABI features.
As PUNJAB is in Northern India live in a cooler climate and the land is more fertile, hence they are taller , fairer and more strongly built than south Indians.
PUNJABI Indians were the defenders of INDIANS and are the ONLY people in HISTORY to defeat the Afghans in a war!
If you look at PUNJABIS today they are still taller, fairer and better built than other Indians including Roma, who have lost some of their Punjabi heritage, due to mixing with other racial groups. However recent DNA testing shows that they still retain majority PUNJABI INDIAN DNA.
The roma begging is annoying. There are good gypsies. but the beggars and criminals give roma a bad name.
Many Romany Gypsies live in North America. We have, like most of our heritage, found a halfway point between Roma and Gadge culture. While I respect Ian Hancock and all of his work, I also fear that he is trying to keep us in the past. Romanipen, like kosher is an important cultural aspect that unites us and to a certain extent, divides us. We need to maintain our culture and especially Romanes but we need to embrace education, while maintaining the non sexist parts of our culture. As a half Rom, I feel that I have little right to speak but....
I love this culture how they honor their daughters mothers sisters. Thank God for American Gypsies and for the mixing and mingling of all cultures. I have many friends of different faiths and heritage love it when I find that really deep down inside we are all so alike yet different
honor? LMFAO, the girls in our culture get fucked around because men think they are superior, thank god for our newer generation, without us romani culture would still be in the 1950’s
Famous Gypsies: Django Reinhardt, Stochelo Rosenberg, Bireli Lagrene, Boulou Ferre....amazing gifted jazz musicians!
IYOY CHEY DELAY. LMAO
I am a Gypsy, that is who God made me and I am not ashamed. The stereotypes that has plagued our heritage is still alive and thrives in people of ignorance! There are so many different cultures in the world and each culture has its share of thieves, liars, and murderers. So how is it fair that we Gypsy's are being condemned as a whole for the few who commit crimes. You who hate us I feel sorry for you. My mother passed away about 5 years ago she would have lived if her doctor would have diagnosed her correctly but unfortunately that wasn't the case. So am I to hate all white people because this white doctor did not do his job correctly? Its time to stop all the racial discrimination in America, how are we ever going to move forward if we keep looking back. How does this glorify God by casting insults and threats at a particular person because of his/her ethnic back round. By reading some of these post I can see that racism is never going to be a thing of the past.
Where you from
Yo, reply to this if ur still active on UA-cam?
Tony Lyko woof
You wonder why these stereotypes are still applied to you? How about this: Because you keep using the term "gypsy!" Instead of disassociating yourself from that term, you use it and thereby give it and its stereotypes legitimacy.
Thanks.
am from Afghanistan gypsy roma R my favourite people I have a lot of friends they have very nice people as well
Afghanistan is indo iranians like as the romantic indo iranians we are the same fathers huns avars tocharyan sogdyans from tajikistan for that our books is identical same origins afghan sindhy iranians tajik my our brothers afghan is like as to face becomes we have same origins huns avars Hebrews indo iranians broo afghan afghan we are brothers origins with Iran and tajikistan by huns avars tocharyan sogdyans
Thanks and yes we are 😊
Roma gypsy men are some of the most handsome men I've seen
Thank You.
I just got my dna and found out Im a gypsie. This explains soooo much 😂
is it 23 and me or the ancestry DNA
Does it tho? Does it actually matter? My grandma's a gypsy and it really doesnt affect me in any way cuz we're all americanized and shit
You know what’s funny? I subscribed to you awhile ago (with a different account) and I always thought you looked sort of part middle eastern or Indian…and I guess I wasn’t wrong!
yo name aimee and your romani ok and all i see in that pfp of your is white skin your just plain whie wdym explains soo much cause it really dont
Interesting, what does it exactly says? I thought I was gypsy but my DNA says middle east and ashkenazi...
I had to assimilate... The Hungarian government forcibly put me up for international (code for intercontinental) adoption, so I was raised transracially White by people who are of obviously White European-descent, but weren’t Hungarian, though. I had just enough exposure to my adoptive cultures of French, Irish & German to be proud of them, but grew-up with a very limited concept of race, let alone any knowledge of own full-blooded Roma ancestry. Still, I’m grateful that got I to grow-up simply as a typical American and not some walking cliche. (I have other friends who were internationally & transracially adopted, and they grew-up with super strict sub-cultures here in the States, especially heavily imposed religious stuff; that, or they just walk around like a real racist caricature of a White Italian or something because that’s how they were raised.)
Beautiful people still keep their genetic intact looking like their ancestors. Some times all the discrimination and abuse make a group more homogenous and stronger we need nomads tribes and archaic one to learn how to survive in the future. Human guarded patrimony they should be treasured!
Hey Shree. You should try get a book called "educated Gypsy" by the leading Romani writer / professor Ian Hancock. He supports what you say is true.
Does Gadjo mean the samthing as Gorger. I know Spanish Gypsy call outsiders Gacho. Im Mexican and Salvadoran and according to my father my Great Grand father was a Roma Gypsy from Portugal but my grandfather became a Salvadoran and all gypsy culture is lost in my family.
People with college degrees who are still working at Starbux. Man who get a college degree, end up in some other career or profession that really didn't require that college degree, or any college for that matter.
Some economists theorize that college is mostly a way to control the flow of new people into the workplace, slowing it down to a manageable trickle rather than a tidal wave.
I've worked in the movie industry for 30 years, but no one ever asked for my high school, diploma. Gotcha!!
Nice vid! So refreshing to see us in a progressive and favorable light. Thank you.
Bargaining over the purchase of a child bride and the ingrained rejection of Western education isn't necessarily what I'd call "progressive and favorable light". It actually highlight the huge cultural gap separating the Gipsy community from everyone else.
This is not your culture and you do not understand. Traditional Rom women want to be betrothed by mid teens. And, Rom kids forced into western "education" frequently get a 3rd rate education with developmentally delayed children - hardly an education in the normal sense.
Yes, luckily it is not my culture. Yet i am free to criticise its problematic aspects and the dysfunctional society it fosters.
OK. So, what is your cultural heritage? I could give you perspective from a Rom pov.
You sit there in judgement but there are problems in every culture dear.
I'll bet that venue where that celebration was held is missing more than a few silverware, light fixtures, toilet seats, etc when that event was over.
But shukar.Jekh barjie familjia !! Te aven bahtalen romalen !
Are you Romanian?
L. M. Yes . Roma romanian
@@sahilmeena4355 no . Means beautiful . Nais tuqe means thank you
@@claudiuhebkalo6903 these American gyspy are not mixed , they are pure indian.but European gyspy are intermixed.recently nirmadic indian chennel cover Ukrainian gyspy
@@rupalitales5444 you are telling me ? I am a roma . We , generally do not intermarry outside the community . My grandparents were cousins .
I’m blending into American culture too
I'm gypsy and I'm not ashamed of it i'm sick of seeing peoples faces when I tell them I'm Gypsy and I'm sick of seeing other gypsies saying there a Italian or Russian being ashamed of saying that they gypsies WHY it's because gypsies did it for themselves gypsies need to stand up for themselves and stop lying it's like they're literally allowing The racism and I'm not saying all gypsies are good no because I would be lying to you just like everybody else in the world there's good people and there's bad people just like every Minority gypsies need to stand up for themselves and people just need to stop being racist in general because people are people
Look. I'm not going to hate anyone or treat anyone poorly or think poorly of anyone just because of their ethnicity or culture but I think that should work both ways. Look at the derogatory views a lot of rom have about gadjes. That we are polluting and the myths about the things it's ok to do to gadjes that it really isn't. Maybe you don't hold those views. I'm a jew. I don't hold a lot of the views that anti-semities say the talmud says I do. But you know as well as I do that many traditional rom are prejudice against gadje, and in the U.S. I would say rom are more prejudice against gadje than gadje are to rom because most gadje in the U.S. don't even know that "gypsies" are an actual people.
Gill GLAM because people are racist, it ok for a Gypsy to call themselves Gypsies, but when gadje do it, thats an insult.
Imagine if you are ashamed to claim to be gypsy in USA people don't care there but in Europe they hate gypsies
Hey at one time in USA you were lowest in society if you were Irish. Racism comes in all packages...just be you and live and let live.
Awesome
One reason some Roma appear more European is because of periods of active assimilation policies to 'breed out' Roma in some location - including England, where children were removed from their families and it was illegal for Roma to marry each other. Therefore it stands to reason some Roma no longer appear Indian, or even remotely South Asian.
I am a French gypsy and I am happy to see that there are also gypsies in the United States which is for me the most beautiful country in the world🇺🇲👍
@BadRomaMan1djala michto😊👍 Thank you very much I am happy to learn more about our community in the United States personally I love this country I have already gone on vacation 3 times to the United States in Los Angeles Miami and New York but I have not had the opportunity to meet gipsies personally in France we have rights and aid from the French State but it is true that there are certain things that we cannot do as we want for example most of the gypsies Roma in France travel in a caravan but the French government wants us to stop circulating in a caravan so there is a large majority of gypsies who have stopped circulating in a caravan to live in a house all year round there is another thing that is complicated in France for us gypsies is that we cannot practice our religion as we want then cause United States you can speak of God or you want as you want without you being stopped by the police we in France the vast majority of gypsies Rome its ch retien evangelist it happens that we make great gathering with 20 miles caravan and a huge tent to be able to make our meeting with the biggest pastor of Europe gypsy evangelists but often the French prevents us from doing it is great gathering in the open air but the positive thing in France is that we have the same help as any French citizen for example if someone does not work or who have no money it is the French State which pays all its medical expenses and we can have a small salary of 500 € per month what is positive in France.
On this link that I sent it is a member of my Gipsy family who sings a Roma and French hymn 👍ua-cam.com/video/LYlzQJSY0_E/v-deo.html
Merci mon ami! Je suis amèricain et j'aime aussi la france! 🇫🇷 😄😁
Tu san undo France?
@@TheJohnnyo1041 merci à toi mon ami que Dieu bénisse l'Amérique🇺🇲 le plus beau pays du monde👍
sumerian are also indian mesopotemia and indus have cultural similaties,trade, look at indus and sumeria relation in ancient times indus/india was called maluha
The gypsies are everywhere, it seems. They seem like a fascinating group of people. I like their music very much. It seems like they are in India, all over Europe, in the states, in Canada, and in Brazil. They have travelled a lot. Many of the gypsies in the states look like ordinary white people, as I have watched those gypsy shows on TV. It seems absolutely pathetic how people in Europe and possibly in the states have hated them. It is also sad how they have been treated in Europe.
+Shawn G : I'm a Euro-American with some Gypsy heritage and I haven't faced any problems of bigotry against my "Gypsyness" - I don't count the internet. Both Europe and India have been bad to us in the past, culminating in genocide by the World War II German Nazis. Today's Europe could do a better job at assimilating Gypsies, yet Gypsy bands must make an effort to become absorbed into the mainstream. It's hard to be liked when you're forced to survive by committing acts of thievery. My Gypsy ancestors ultimately did a good job, because their descendants became productive members of American society.
+JeffGR4 How India has been bad to you? I dont understand. We lost you and are sorry for that.
+shree prakash Loya : Firstly, I love India and Indians, and love having Indian roots. I must clarify my statement about India being bad to Gypsies. There are at least a couple of theories as to why the Gypsies migrated out of India. The first is that Gypsies came from the Jats (a tribe of Northern India) that were expelled from India about 900 years ago, because of religious wars. Another theory is that Gypsies left on their own accord around 900 years ago, because they were tired of being treated as inferiors in Indian society. Either way, it was so long ago as to have any relevance regarding attitudes towards one another.
+JeffGR4 they are mostly rajputs a warrier class second in hierarchy after Brahmins. no question of bad treatment to them. they were tired sold iers of the army of king Prithviraj chauhan of Ajmer India and left in 1050 west. some came south. that r still here. u can understand them. I am from north but live in south. I have a Roma maid and know their words.
+shree prakash Loya : Warrior class - I like the sound of that! Thanks a lot for that information, I always thought my Romani ancestors were considered some kind of undesirables in the caste system of India, but it's great to learn that they were actually brave, strong men that were venerated. In keeping with that warrior tradition, my great uncle (also of Romani descent) was a member of the U.S. Army's 82nd Airborne Division that fought the Germans in World War II.
Only 10k wow my wife would kill me if I thought she was only worth 10k
if i didnt know i would have called them indians :)
+John Howard what is thuggis
Um, they are, basically, with various levels of European admixture...
Gypsy’s are not purely Indian wtffffff they leave India YEARSSSSS AGO okay! we don’t know where we really come from some say Israel India some say this or that don’t call us Indians call us Romani
You wouldn't believe the prejudice and racism I got in School. Based upon my race in California did anyone tell anyone else to stop? Its hard time that we made ourselves known.
0:47 looks very Indianish !!
Gypsies are ethnicly related to indians
This it's what I noticed about Gypsy dancing women : staring in Pakistan and India ,women pretty much are fully clothed ,enter Europe and in Romania and Yugoslavia they are still covered ,and then Italy Spain Germany and Portugal and Britain and beyond....they become half naked showing lots of skin.
Figure that out.
It is obviously that Roma are of Indian-Arabic ethnic origin!
not Arabic those are your lovely Albanians and Greeks
The look too too too Arabs, typical to my Middle Eastern neighbours
@@abee1559 Yes, your observation is correct!The gypsies ancestors the Dom tribe( hence Rom or plural Roma) went out from the Indian subcontinent a 1000 years ago and first settled in the middle-east. It was then that the various tribes: Dom, Banjara, Chauhan, Sikligar, Lohar, Dhangar, Kalbeliya-that had left the subcontinent began to mix with Iranians, Kurds and Arabs and there they formed the Roma people and culture! Their identity was formed in the middle-east! The tribes that had remained in India are not Roma themselves!
@Jessie W no DNA test shows indian % not fake country
My origin is Turkish Roma I am proud of my gipsy origin.
No you’re not gypsy
they are indian sumerian are also indian mesopotemia and indus have cultural similaties,trade, look at indus and sumeria relation in ancient times indus/india was called maluha
I just have one thing to say: Listen to Gogol Bordello - Gypsy Punk in its prime!
As an other Alex I’m proud to see this guy doing well they say Roma originated from India I see it here
yes they went to europe one thousand yrs from india! (called ROMA there) yes look 100% indian!
No we are not purely Indian we are gypsy okay not Indian or Jewish or Hispanic or white we are just gypsy/Romani
Fascinating culture & people, and I wish them every success in preserving their way of life and enjoying a peaceful & prosperous existence!
deek chay many views I love seeing ghrom getting represented lmaooo sound corny but
Fenty LMAKAKKA
i had done my ancestry dna test and i found out that im a roma irish travelers mix god if i had known when i was younger i wouldnt of drove my family crazy by asking all the time when i was younger also im from america btw isnt life grand im so happy :)
India is the cradle of civilization , brown Indians were the first people, they migrated across Europe and lost their skin pigment and acquired coloured eyes and became the white people over a period of thousands of years , likewise was the case when they migrated further south to Africa and evolved with black skin because of more sunlight exposure and some of the Africans than evolved more high cheek bones migrated to the China region and evolved with Chinese features and more or less the other races are mixtures of these four races , just a theory I and a few Scientists share in common.
India is not the cradle of civilization
Your knowledge of human history sucks.
The original man is the Asiatic dark man....that will be a Hindu.
Mel u
Where is your proof?
I dont know who told you that? Mesophatamia and Sumeria exsisted WAY before India.
Our friend Ray Kalm is right, I myself have been astonished at home some Roma I met in the flesh looked so very Pakistani. But they didn't start off looking this way, its only because they have had some assimilation with 'fairer' toned nations that they look like someone from the North of Pakistan or Iran rather than darker like those from Rajasthan from India. But if one looks at earlier images it is often obvious that they were darker than most Pakistanis/Afghans/Persias.
I'm happy to have my Gypsy heritage!!!!!
+JeffGR4 Be proud of it. You have a clear 1050 years of history behind you. My salutations for keeping words, traditions and attitudes alive even after 50 generations since you left India. People melt in two generations.
You in USA ?
Even the former French president Nicholas Sarkozy is of Roma-Gypsy origin from his father side! His father fleed Hungary in 1945, when the Soviets invaded Hungary! Sarkozi is a typical gypsy name in Hungary!
Is he? What is your source for that claim? You see as far as I know his father was an Hungarian aristocrat and the family fled Hungary in 1944, returned in 1945 and then he fled to France via Austria and Germany. Or are you claiming that he is "Roma-Gypsy" because of his family name? So Rosenberg is an old "gypsy name" in Germany, does that mean that Alfred Rosenberg was a gypsy? Weiss is a very common "gypsy name" in Germany, does that mean that Vincent Weiss is of that ancestry? Or how about everyone called Wagner? Or Reinhard for that matter?
inotaishu1 sorry to interrupt.I think Roma took European last names like blacks did in the US.
The real last names or Roma are same as Rajputs like Chauhan sisodia nainavat shekhawat chudavat etc. Gone now.
Mhe shov tha panch bersh .Live in India
Did lot of research on Roma in two years. We use your language daily here. Choral chhori tati upral thalle pral Pena su karis gia sov and so on.
Roma people of Ukraine are having name gopal & meera.the indian name still now.
Hahahaha i'm sure you are coming after watching nomadic indian Ukraine episode
I am fascinated by their culture, history and tradition.
ty god bless that means alot:)
We are citizens of the world American Roma focus on the marriage part alot while European ones do not we try to blend with the country we are born in.
They look somewhere between Arabic and Indian to me.
+John Howard no they are not i no i am a gypsy
there nomadic people from northern India area
thank god im not a gypsy
+John Howard he's right you dumb fuck I know bc I'm one too 😱
+SkateVidz thank god I'm not a guysho
hahaha, Im agreeing with you. They do come from the Indian region, many many many years ago. I disagreed with the guy above us when he said Gypsies didnt show up in Romania until after the holocaust...which is wrong. Feel free to scroll up and read the rest of the comments
Why do y’all gadje care about where we come from like okay????? Shut up
Like all peoples who settle in America, as much as they may cling to their old values, they are eventually absorbed into the mainstream culture. The mainstream allure is just too strong to resist. On the whole I don't think that's bad. In fact that's exactly what makes this country the superior country of the world. By superior I mean we are because we ARE everybody from all over the world. This creates a dynamism that can't be topped anywhere else.
you're everybody from all over the world other than the people who were living in America before :P
America is not superior to the rest of the world far far from it
I can almost guarantee, simply by looking at her, that the bride to be is from the Mitchell tribe. She has all the facial features.
Wikipedia states that the Roma people originated from India. But some do look like Indians and some their skin tone looks like a mix of Indian and eastern european/italian etc. Very interesting.. Could they have mixed/bred with Europeans ? But their culture prevents them from mixing... so I am quite intrigued how their skin tones just changed.. over time
Its not wanted of Roma to get mixed with Gadje (non Gypsies) but of course it happened from time to time. Mostly Romani Men intermarried with Gadje women. And some Roma groups like Sinti in western europe got to know white nomadic folks like the yenish people of switzerland who were persecuted too and some intermarried with this Yenish people. Other Roma groups like the Romanichals in Great Britain met the irish traveller a white nomadic folk (like swiss yenish) and intermarried with them.
And some Roma intermarried with ashkenazi jews in europe because both were persecuted over centuries
they do look Indians, they migrated from India 1000 years ago.
Sergio Athanasso you guys look like from India are you sure you guys are gypsies to correct you their is no lost tribe in Israel and if they are their the descendent from Hagger an Egypt slave
yeah these guys and I have a distinct resemblance, im from south asia
wow the son looks like his dad
i like that name of the high school he is graduating from...Wolfpit (0:53).
He's a rummage gypsy and he's not a Eli not by a long shot Eli s one of the more prestige and classy of the gypsies and big money makers he's not one of them I am eli he should say who he really is ????? A nobody
John Yonko
You sound jealous and petty.
@@johnyonko8022 A narrow-minded European cannot understand America’s social inclusion
What I don't like, is if the Parents couldn't afford the price, that boys parents would kick her to the curb
BISHAVAV BUTH BAKHT, THAJ SASTIMO LACHIO TUMENGE, KAJ SO SAN TUME, ROMALE, ANDRE BARI LUMA!!!!!
My best friend in middle school and highschool claimed to be Gypsy. I didn't understand what that meant back then, I had internet if I went to the library, you know?
Later on and I mean years later I understand. He used me, my mom and my grandma. He knew what he was doing. Y'all saying you respect these people and I am just hurt.
GREAT GYPSIES BLESSED ARE YOU. LIVE YOUR LIFE THE FULL & LIVE LOVE FOREVER IN JESUS CHRIST.
Sometimes when you build a castle to protect yourself you end up building a prison 😢 I love meeting new people with different backgrounds and history
we don't kill, rape,nor do anything bad in ways you hear on TV. we live life for our families and our people. we don't need school we make more then doctors just doing asphalt, we don't sell our daughters, its an old fashion dowrey, this kid made it like he's buying a slave. this is not true, she will be a topical housewife. yoy, I so delo chavoro penal. nah ja undre UA-cam the penjas delineepen. o deli no delo chavo.
I will always be old fashioned. If that pisses people off it's just a bonus.
i love my people roma
Thanks. I am a Roma, I'm from Romania,
Native Americans were forced to assimilate, today we realize that that was wrong. The Romany people should not be forced to assimilate. Its our choice, don't forget diversity is our country's strength.
*i am hungarian gipsy!*
@@vv7397 whats?
Do you steal and scam?
They are Indian origin🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
sumerian are also indian mesopotemia and indus have cultural similaties,trade, look at indus and sumeria relation in ancient times indus/india was called maluha
jesus is the way. john 3-3
Everyone is giving a negative opinion on Romani people. Like before I even knew anything about “Gypsies” everyone seems to associate all these terrible things with them. I never let others negative views change what I think about a group of people. Especially since I am also a minority, being black and Muslim. I know the stereotypes people can have towards me, it makes sense if I have a lot of compassion for others. I’m in middle school with a friend who is Romani and hearing people comment on her being a thief, when she is 100% not and seeing how she is bullied I started looking into it.
Seeing all these hateful comments is crazy to me. Someone with literally no real knowledge of “Gypsies” can go through the comments and develop a hate towards Romani ppl easily.
my question to all the gypsie people , why don't many gypsies look more like the peoples from this video and look european , i mean u guys are supposed to be Indo-aryans ethnically, or are some other european nomadic groups also misunderstood as gypsies, or was it because of intermixing with peoples from different parts of the world, PS: i dont mean any disrespect in any ways, i am an Indian too
+Aishik Das Its actually quite complicated because we come various castes in India to begin with, and if you visit India, you will find various types of appearences, from dark skinned to green eyed. Add in mixing, and of course, there non-Romani groups that are also called gypsies, which is why I hate the term, gypsies are not Rom they are redheaded irish travellers, that see their way life as being gypsy, not their langauge, etc.
yeah even in times when gypsies are shown in movies like Snatch and Sherlock Holmes they look like euroes and not like us
exactly, thing is we are rom, those gazhe call themselves gypsies, just like in the movie snatch. It took me a while to get it, that these people were not rom, they were just gazhe that call themselves gypsies. My grandmother was mistaken for being black in the USA, she was that dark, while I am lighter than she was, but not close to being redhaired, although other rom do consider me pretty light. I would say I pass for a Puerto Rican.
glad somebody from the rom community answered me, actually i am quite curious about things like these, and when i saw this video i had to know :)
well we do have some light skinned rom, but that is from mixing.....but we are no relation to those people calling themsleves gypsies in snatch.
GYPSIES HAS GOT CLOSE FAMILY TIES THEY LOVE THEIR WIVES AND CHILDREN. .NO DIVORCE IN THEIR CULTURE. .GREETINGS FROM GERMANY
Looks like an episode of Jersey Shore.
we frequently get called jersey shore.
@@scottswartz9665 gym, tan, laundry?
Everyday !!
Yeah I actually said that they are also good people .
i am gipsy
that is so cool!
im from India, n i hv been lookin into it.. so fascinating!
Naki Aziri I’m gipsy for srbija
Naki Aziri now I live in USA
They keep getting jealous on each other then call the cops on each other and getting killed for people's life then don't want to take our 37000 and settle what he burn our house down and they don't want to give us no money
IM ROMNIYE FROM TÜRKEY !I LOVE SO MUCH MY POPLE🍀🌹🍀
Roma people are rich in USA. They should value education more
They should emmigrate to Aberdeen, Scotland where the streets are paved with gold. .....
Aberconwycool were good thanks!
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I can speak about this because I am Romani. We have Indian roots from 3 thousand years ago. WE ARE NOT INDIAN. We are Europeans because when we left India 3k years ago and we went to East Europe and then eventually Western Part. But, when we were there, we were forced to take European partners as a way to assimilate into the new world. Hence, many gypsies are very much mixed. I am 15 percent Indian but, the rest of me is Greek, Turkish, Sicilian, Bulgarian, Romanian, etc. please don’t be ignorant and blurt information about a people or things you do not understand. It is highly offensive to those people. Have some respect.