Dissolve Platinum with Chlorine Gas
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- In this video we dissolve platinum using chlorine gas in hydrochloric acid. A more cost effective alternative to the more common mixture of nitric acid and hydrochloric acid or "aqua regia".
To do this we simply place a vial containing a mixture of hyrochloric acid (3mL) and platinum metal powder (337mg) in a jar along with three other vials containing trichloroisocyanuric acid (3g) and 10mL of water each. Adding 1mL of hydrochloric acid (31%) to each of the vials containing trichloroisocyanuric acid begins the generation of chlorine gas. The jar is sealed to prevent the loss of chlorine.
The chlorine gas reacts with the platinum metal and hydrochloric to produce hexachloroplatinic acid. This is a clean and highly atom efficient reaction in that all the chlorine and hydrochloric acid go into making the final product. There are no byproducts or side reactions. The nitric acid in aqua regia is not as efficient as it produces nitrogen oxides that bubble out and there are side reactions that waste nitric acid, requiring more to be used than what the equations would indicate. This is especially wasteful for platinum that is slow to dissolve like bulk platinum as nitric acid keeps needing to be replenished.
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This is a vote for the gold dissolving video.
Bah who cares about gold. Platinum is a tougher challenge anyway.
I successfully devised a way to make cyanide by a thermite reaction. But I probably won't be posting that video to youtube due to how dangerous it is. I'll likely post it to other platforms and link to it.
Nah, youtube has much more dangerous videos. Just post it here and see what happens:)
Just don't tag "explosion" or anything like that in the video and youtube won't flag it. We would be VERY interested in seeing it!
NurdRage post it
how about ig?
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This channel shows there's still good content on UA-cam! Keep it up!
I'm taking chemistry honors I'm my sophomore year of high school, this guy helps me out a lot
It's great to see this channel uploading videos once in a while.
This Guy is the best I am Always picking up what he's putting Down he is a professional American Badass
Cool ! Nice Chlorine gas containment idea.
I used a rubber glove and that worked, although if it had failed, well, erm.
Have you discovered how to synthesise any new significantly triboluminescent materials? I really want to see a third colour of smash glow crystals
I'm legit so happy you found a new lab to work in hahahaha, I remember I got spooked when you stopped uploading for couple moths.
Thanks for showing us how to get the updates on your videos. I thought that you had left UA-cam again!
Try dissolving the gold as a colab with Cody'sLab. He has been doing a precious metal refining series.
This may be hard to believe but I assure you, this was a real thing. I'm pushing 40 now but back when I was in grade 7 I had a vice principal who used to work in the mining industry. This man allowed me to do my science fair project on nitrated explosives. He had the science teacher go through the catalogues with me and we ordered the acids and I bought glycerine at the local drug store. With a close friend in tow we managed to make nitroglycerin, gun cotton and even managed nitro cellulose. For obvious reasons bringing these products to school wasn't doable but the project I wrote was pretty damn good and the photos of the explosions where rather awesome for a teenager to behold. I learned to appreciate good glassware when I used an aluminum vessel to mix the first batch of acid. That was pretty damn scary. Oops. Anyway I can't imagine you could do a video on this topic with the current climate we find ourselves in now but I would be super nostalgic for me if you did.
Nuck Chorris technically yes, but gun cotton is rather specific as it applies to nitrocellulose made from cotton. You can make nitrocellulose from a lot of other organic sources. Wood pulp was what I nitrated when making the nitrocellulose. It's a bit of semantics. Anyway when you nitrate cotton specifically I found it behaved much different from the wood. It has totally different properties. I would assume because of the other products in the source material. It's been a long ass time since I had my hands on any.
john black oh I'm not nearly as smart as you think lol. I spent a year at Uni taking biochemistry. I just about had to end up calling a suicide hotline by the end of the first year. (Not really) But I did drop the hell out and got into electromechanical engineering. Automation and robotics are my thing and I was an electrician for over a decade. Chemistry was a childhood dream and I desperately wanted to study leonization as a speciality. I just don't have the chops for chemistry. Organic chemistry almost broke my brain. Carbon is a complicated little bastard of an element. "Physical chemistry" I'm a little better at but if I'm honest I'm not the best source of info, especially if your doing something dangerous. I could probably get out some paper and my old books and fumble out an answer for ya,... Off the top of my head though? Yeah,... Sorry mate, I'm not the right guy.
john black With all the ellipsis and multiple question marks one might think you where acting a wee bit petulant and certainly not in good faith. If so I'm not sure it's all that fruitful for me to break out a textbook I haven't had a practical use for in many years to get back up to speed on the subject enough to answer you. The last time I was in a lab was nine years ago. Probably back when you where watching sponge bob in your jammie jams. But you wouldn't be acting like a jerk on the internet would you? That would be so cliché. Parish the thought. Never mind. Anyway we both know the answer to that question now don't we ;). Good luck with the new channel.
From what I remember, first of all we're not talking about the same things. NO2+ is not NO2- . Nitronium is an electrophile. You said a double bond so I dunno, let's say a benzine ring? You would be adding a nitro group to the ring via de-protonation. Assuming I'm even right which I'm not 100% positive that I am. Organic chem is a pain in the ass. Many things and even some people are.
john black "THIS NEW CHANNEL WILL BE COMING TO YOU THIS WINTER. I love to talk about chemistry and organic chemistry is the best. I want this to be a channel about discussion and not just flash and no discussion. This is NOT a channel about making meth or blowing things up. If your a student and you need help just ask me. The worst that can happen is that I cant help. Sometimes just looking at a problem with a different view point or different way of explaining something is all a person needs to understand. This channel is for students, hobbyist, chemist, just people curious. If you have a question just ask. My videos will be geared for the home chemist. How to get started and set up and get your basics and then how to actually make stuff. JUST TO GIVE A LIST OF THINGS I PLAN TO MAKE .................still apparatus .... centerfuge ..........magnetic stirrer ....... make potassium dichromate from chromium metal ...........epoxides ............halohydrins ...............make benzo"
Interesting how you managed to type that paragraph without the ellipses until the end. Your disgusting for using mental illness as a shield for your trolling. Your ability to project your own shortcoming on others is truly amazing and pitiful. Perhaps you do indeed have an illness after all.
Your obvious troll is obvious and I was civil up to the point where I realized you where being a condescending piece of crap. Like I said, good luck with the new channel. If your as much of a cunt as you have been on this thread I'm sure you will do very well.
If you are indeed 50 and your half century of experience on this earth led you down the path of youtube comment troll you should probably re-examine your life choices. There is nothing quite as sad as a grown ass man acting like a petulant child.
john black yup, that is just about exactly what I though you'd say. Good dose of homophobia, insecurity, childishness and a dislike of the French? Weird, just, odd man. Wow, all wrapped up in a stupid package of self loathing and sadness to top it off. Seriously though, don't start that channel,.. If your going to pass on stupidity to others you really should keep them away from chemistry. You probably should stay away from it too,.. While I am aware of my limitations you seem to think you know something, and a little knowledge can be dangerous. Pro-tip, bleach is not for drinking,.. I know you may think it's a serious suggestion people keep telling you to do all the time but no!, it's actually quite dangerous. Stay strong little guy, fantasizing your a grown man of 50 is fine I guess but don't grow up too fast, enjoy your childhood, make it last! You only get to experience it once mate, stay this way as long as you can. Cheers,... I'll pray to Darwin for ya in hopes you don't win one of his awards in your moms basement playing with your chemistry set. Remember, bleach is not for drinking,... Don't forget.
Omg I got confused about the first part and I'm gifted in science
Any luck with the hotplate issue? I'm glad to see you're still making videos!
can you use this solution to directly electroplate a titanium mesh to make an anode?
great video.
NurdRage, can you upload a video of you just pronouncing a whole bunch of long chemical names.
I saw a video recently of gold dissolved in a iodized table salt electrolysis setup, with lead and copper electrodes. Also, hcl
Whatever happened to the vials of chloroplatinic acid you made the last time?
Hello chimist, it very good you are the best. How I can identify or make different between silver or platinium without acid test?
Have you thought of doing a video about recovering exotic metals from used catalytic converters? I know it wouldn't be profitable, but it would be interesting and challenging.
i would like to see the dissolving gold using chlorine gas. it sounds cool
Yes please do the gold video with gas!
hey, did you find a good replacement for your magnetic stirplate? if not, check out the heidolph stirplates. we have them in the lab. i don't know how rough you handle your plates but they seem to be pretty robust, i couldn't find out what kind of heating element they use though.
cool, thanks for the tips as I am fairly new to both fire assay and AR and didn't know you could use Chlorine gas....I am 96.4 % positive that my black sands from the Columbia river has plenty of gold and PGM's in it as the colors' seem to indicate the presence of PGM's but I am working on a shoe string budget, and illegal alien's are getting more every 2 days than I get in a month on SSI which is strange cause the judge said I was fully favorable for a gave me paperwork saying I was accepted for SSDI instead they somehow, even though I have the paperwork they continue to deny me even after surviving 2 brutal attempted murder's on Maui durnig corona and nothing was done but making the victim of 2 near death experiences that left me completely broken and no justice form an island that alone pulls in 50 billion a year......festering corruption so I do what I can as my body and healing TBI's allow and try to get all the PM's I can from spot's that are known to have gold, silver, PGM's and gems.....I run as much material as I can with my broken body and mind and then try and figure out this process as my first 3 assay's I tried to cupel in a furnace that just didn't work, although Jason at MBMMLLC did with the fire wool with one port propane and the other pumped in with air to increase oxidation, I have a duel port forge but I guess I need to get my flux down, the best collector metal for gold and PGM's and I really would like to have a electric cuppelling oven
Request: Photochemistry and photographic film. It's easy enough to set up a camera - either a pinhole or a single lens, but I'd really love to see how even a primitive photographic film is created.
Can you please show how to obtain and purify potassium hexachloroplatinate from the hexachloroplatinic acid that you made in the other video?
just add potassium chloride until no more potassium hexachloroplatinate precipitates. then filter.
NurdRage I thought potassium hexachloroplatinate, even if low soluble, was too soluble to be washed with whater at room temperature. Maybe washing it with hydrochloric acid instead of pure water will prevent K2PtCl6 losses, am I wrong?
Hello Nurdrage, I was curious about if it is also possible to use this method to produce silver chloride from metallic silver? I want to make AgCl but getting nitric acid is not an option for me sadly. Thanks!
How much time it tooked? What about using perchloric acid?
Yes please do it with gold thanks so much for the great videos
I have noticed that i always need more nitric acid then i anticipate .i also prefer refining with chlorine and hydrochloric because you do not need to heat the solution i do not know if this will dissolve Ruthinium but i have ended up with a small amount of ruthinium twice now upon refining gold from electronic waste
It would be neat to see if it worked to dissolve gold but I'm not sure it would be any easier or cheaper for us home guys
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So what exactly is the reaction mechanism? Is the chlorine oxidising the platinum to platinum chloride which then forms a complex with the hydrochloric acid?
In general, are the noble metal acids (chloroauric, chloroplatinic, chloroiridic, ...) complexes of the respective metal chloride and hydrochloric acid?
The chlorine oxidizes the platinum from Pt(0) to Pt4+, with the formation of chloride ion as the side product. Lone metal ions are rather unhappy, so 6 chloride ions (floating around from the hydrochloric acid) coordinate to the platinum center in an octahedral arrangement to form the hexachloroplatinate anion. That anion has a -2 charge, so we need a +2 charge to balance that out. The only other cation in solution is the H+ ions from the hydrochloric acid (which are really H3O+ hydronium ions, since we're in aqueous solution).
Yeah, the final product is H2[PtCl6], after the platinum tetrachloride salt(Platinum IV chloride) combines with the HCl. If you boil away the HCl, you get left with platinum tetrachloride pentahydrate crystals.
Make a video of distilling THC.
Is there any economically viable way to extract / concentrate platinum metal from roadside dust? That is platinum deposited from catalytic converters.
Just a quick and neat video idea, Maybe do the "Blue bottle experiment"? or is that too easy for one of your videos ;)
If you do gold, then it would be nice if it was with some bubbling (or even bubbling plus electrolysis) setup, otherwise its rather redundand imho.
You should make a video on the fisher esterification.
What's wrong with my current ones?
you could start a cooking show and I'd still be interested.
Warning. This food is carcinogenic. Work outside or in a fume hood, and feed it to your worst enemy.
So is the platinum anode not useful to make potassium chlorate? Electrolysis produces HCl and Cl
NurdRage, do you take video requests from anyone or patrons only? i only ask because i'd love to see a vid on refining usefull chem's from plants
patreon supporters only
thought so, but it never hurts to ask
Are you thinking about trying thermite it sand (silicon dioxide) in the future? I'm pretty sure many of us would like to see that someday =)
+nurdrage would this work with gold?
What about the alternative using Platanium in Hydrochloric acid 31% with electricity. It should dissolve chlorine in situ.
Do you reckon this is more cost effective on a larger scale that acid digestion? Or Amy larger company's be willing to pay the cost and dissolve with Aqua Regia for the quicker timescale
Yup, fully explained in the video.
so can I use carbon rods, salt water, and batteries to make the chlorine gas, then add muriatic acid to dissolve my platinum and gold. or do the carbon rods make the chlorine gas without the salt added?
Nurdrage is there enough interest for the Gold vid? i for example would be curious if it works
That condensate on the outer jar was ClO2? Also howd your hot plate issue turn out?
This might be a kind of dumb question, but what is that magnetic stirring thing in the solution that isn't being dissolved? or what I mean is why isn't it being dissolved?
Oh it's coated in teflon. Teflon is resilient to a great many things and highly corrosive chemicals. It's also slightly flexible like hard plastic so it doesn't shatter like glass. However it is vulnerable to extremely reductive chemicals like molten sodium metal and other alkali metals, as well as certain reagent like sodium napthalide.
Ah, okay, that makes sense, thanks
That's just a magnetic stir bar, they're usually coated in PTFE (teflon) which is usually inert.
Its just a piece of magnet covered with a thick layer of teflon. There is a rotating magnet in the heating pan that spins, thus spinning the magnet stirr
Ok guys no need to repeat the same thing twice NurdRage already said why.
could you use table salt to make sodium metal and chlorine gas?
+Rick Flores yes.
It's done in the Down's cell. I think it has 60% CaCl2 and the NaCl is dissolved in it. The mp is 650 C which is easily achievable with wood burning stove. I'll give it a try sometime.
if you could anytime would you make a video extracting sodium metal and chlorine from table salt?
I some how you unsubbed from you and missed 3 months of videos. Time to binge watch!
3HCl + HNO3 → NOCl + Cl2 + 2H2O. It's reversible process.
I used to think ammonia and bleach made aqua regia.
Is possible make same Technic with gold powder?
Would it also be possible to dissolve Iridium with this method or does it just not dissolve in any acids?
that was a cool one
Would this still work properly if you produced chlorine with a different reaction
Nurdrage! I want to make a cell that contains chlorine dissolved in water (with excess gas above) and I need an anode and a cathode that won't be corroded... any ideas?
How do thoe stirrers work/what material are they coated with? They survive even the most corrosive reagents it seems o.o
Ooh teflon! Thanks for the answer :D
+NurdRage Would this work to dissolve Iridium powder as well? Sodium peroxide fusions are fun and all but this seems a little safer than heating a near-explosively combustible metal powder mixed with a powerful and caustic oxidizer...
I'm curious about Iridium chemistry in general. I remember in one of these videos you mention having some Iridium waste chemicals... Did you use those for anything? I find myself in possession of a few grams of Iridium "sponge" and a desire to try electroplating with it but I'm not sure how to go about it.
can you do gold too?
Nurd rage I'm trying to reproduce your experiment with blue triboluminescent crystals and I have made it on a larger scale with 1g CuSCN and 2.5g (Ph)3P dissolved in 30ml of pyridine.I got the solution clear at 65°C and the complex seems to have formed but I cant get it to crystallize, all I get is a powder, and it is fluorescent with a blue color so it is the complex.My question is how do I get nice crystals out if it like yours?
so what happens when you mix NAOH with the yellow liquid.
Science happens.
Only if you are watching and recording it to report it in a peer reviewed publication for others to test and confirm.
I am thinking the result is salt water and platinum metal.
with some off gasing.
My guess would be a sodium salt of said anion.
Show us the gold, chemdaddy.
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Can you use bleach in place of the swimming pool chlorinators?
can you drip into the platinium, hydrochloric acid solution bleach and avoid using the trichloroisocyanuric acid?
because hydrochloric acid reacts with sodium hypochlorite and creates chlorine gas
That's essentially what he did, but instead of using the bleach which comes at a low concentration in solution he used the trichloroisocyanuric acid at a high concentration to likely save on space in the vessel.
Any thoughts/comments concerning platinosis?
Wear gloves, have good technique, work clean.
Please do gold. In my lab we are using KCN to etch gold nano rods out of a polymer shell. I was wondering if there was a safer alternative to this etching process. While chlorine isn't exactly safe, it is safer than KCN considering we have fume hoods and only a small amount would be needed.
+satchel frost have ya tried thiosulfate leaching? Even safer than chlorine. Just more cumbersome to recover the gold but if your just trying to remove the gold from the polymer then it shouldn't matter.
No I haven't tried that, it's something I need to look further into. Thanks for the idea.
Hello!
Why would you Dissolve Platinum?
What do you gain out of it?
Did not understand why you did it because "platinum" is expensive:D
i gain hexachloroplatinic acid. A useful and very expensive chemical. Platinum refiners would like to know how to dissolve platinum using chlorine because they dissolve precious metals all the time using expensive nitric acid. Having a cheaper approach is useful.
Which is the easiest way to convert chloroplatinic acid into platinum metal?
Does it work with sodium metabisulphite?
It should work with sodium metabisulfite.
Why would someone want to dissolve platinum in the first place?
When you use water in chemistry, does it have to be a certain type, i.e. distilled/tap/boiled?
Deionized water or DI aqua.
It depends on what you are going to do.
Usually you can use distilled or de-ionized water when you don't need it really pure, if you need it to be that way (for example in some electrochemical analysis) you usually use some filtered ultrapure water such as milli-Q.
Tap water has a lot of salts dissolved in it that might interfere with the reaction you want to achieve, you use it only when you need to clean your glassware with soap because you made a huge mess and before using it again you have to rinse a lot with distilled water.
Boiled water is the same thing as tap water but maybe even richer in salts since you lost some through evaporation.
what I use typically is deionized water, but distilled water is usually fine
john black distillation doesn't remove all ions, such as those that have a similar boiling point to water. www.waterandmorehub.com/deionized-water-vs-distilled-water/
Is it possible to use liquid chlorine mixed with hydrochloric acid?
absolutely, that's how it's done on the industrial scale for high speed. But you need a teflon coated pressure vessel to handle liquid chlorine or it will eventually corrode and rupture the vessel.
NurdRage
That's pretty neat, thanks for the reply. Also a friend of mine wants to make chloroethane, he found some stuff on it and thinks it's neat that it has a boiling point of 54F. He's going with making it from ethanol with zinc chloride and anhydrous HCl, any advise for him?
Or Hastelloy C-276 (nickel super alloy) which can be rated to orders of magnitude more pressure: most laboratory scale pressure vessel manufacturers offer it. It's heavily used in industrial scale applications in certain industries that use chlorine, hydrogen chloride, and various oxides of chlorine and other halogens.
john black
Well I'm not the one making it, but my friend showed me the synthesis from something on making various halogenated organics and it gave him the idea to try and make chloroethane. And yes in the synthesis it says to use HCl gas and fused zinc chloride. I might be able to find the thing that mentioned it.
john black
He has a channel called Billy-Bobus Labs, but right now only has 4 videos up. He's no expert either, but he can do just about anything, except for put up more than four videos it seems. He's getting some chemicals and lab equipment for a Christmas present.
How come your platinum electrode didn't dissolve when you made chlorine from salt then?
As he said in another comment platinum only dissolves that fast due to chlorine under acidic conditions (Provided by the HCl) and not nearly as much under neutral or alkaline conditions
I'd love it if you could dissolve a Tesla!
why would you want to dissolve platinum powder? do you have the reaction written out?
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im sorry, i meant like the mechanism in the reaction
what happens is that chlorine being a strong oxidizer will oxidize the platinum in solutiom as it is being reduced to chloride and form Platinum te rtrachloride in situ which immediately reacts with HCl to form the final product of H2[PtCl6].Hope that helps
Nitric acid costs only $6 per liter 68%
which is more expensive than chlorine.
As said in the video. for amateur use, nitric acid is pretty straightforward and the preferred method. But for very large scales, chlorine becomes more profitable even including the cost of different equipment.
NurdRage I'm your big fan since I was 13.
Would this method work to dissolve silver?
I am pretty sure Chlorine combines directly with *ALL* metals forming metal chloride salts.
Richard Smith Thanks, im a bit of a novice when it comes to chemistry and im having a hell of a time trying to dissolve some silver with nitric acid. Perhaps this will work better for me.
If your nitric is concentrated you'll need to dilute it 50% with distilled water. Then it will work like a charm.
IsettasRock Either way, nitric acid is not a cost effective way of dissolving metals. However, it is invaluable in isolating metals, but if the raw material is already as pure as you need it to be, chlorine is the way to go.
Chlorine is all or nothing, the purity of the final product is determined by the purity of the raw material dissolved, as the chlorine will dissolve all metals, as far as I am aware.
However, many times purifying the chloride salts themselves can be cheaper than using nitric acid in the first place.
Chlorine gas is also nasty shit however, but it is cheap and easy to make.
Dissolving platinum, ouch!
Thumbs up. I use mms "Sodium Chlorite Solution, with Citric acid" to create the gas or maybe it's a little different I'm not a chemist but Thanks for your videos.
What will you do with it?
snort it
The usual next step is to filter it (although it looks like what he has was pretty pure already) and then reduce it to get the platinum back. It's how you purify gold too, more or less. Dissolve whatever filter out what doesn't dissolve, reduce it to get the metal back and then melt and cast into bars.
And then ship it on to China.
Oops did I write that last sentence out loud?
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0:25 this man is destroying platinum, and he’s complaining about the price of the NITRIC ACID?
the value of the platinum isn't lost since you can't destroy an element. the platinum salts are more valuable to a chemist. Also for platinum refining purposes the platinum is actually recovered later. so saving costs on nitric acid would be very desirable.
NurdRage I see, you’re clearly far smarter than I When it comes to this. You know what would be great though is a video about Iridium! Ir is incredibly expensive, but it is an element with very interesting properties, and pretty salts!