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Excellent!! You are a brilliant woodworker and you even found a way to communicate with those of us whose first language is English. The table saw table and fence system is a pretty nice upgrade for a small table saw. I may have to do something like that for my Dewalt 745 table saw!! Consider me subscribed!
Nice video, I will try for my cheap einhell table saw. Two questions. In my country (Spain) is very difficult to found HDF. You think MDF will do the work? And the second. Wich glue you use for aluminum/wood bond? It doesn´t seem epoxy. Thank you so much!
Excelente video muy detallado y preciso incomparable a otro, claro solo faltaba la traducción al español pero “la imagen dice mil palabras”, gracias por tu video y el aporte que transmites. Luis de Peru
Nice good teacher o excellent I don’t think whit this design all this expensive fences have no chance well I got my own toggle stainless clump today that is starting my fence I wait till I back to Colombia from London any way thanks I said hello from London happy new year 2024 good bye 😅
My friend, excellent work, it is appreciated that you show the measurements and the entire construction process .... Súper súper súper NICEEEEE... 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Great build and video. Does the fence automatically square to the blade when you clamp it, or do you have to adjust it and ensure it's re-squared every time you move the fence for a new cut?
One of the best DIY fence that is perhaps as good if not better than the legendary "BIESMEYER" fence. Lots of parts and layout but certainly will stand the test of time. BTW, what is HMR? Not sure whether it is sold here in the US. Hope it is not the same as MDF or Particleboard which is great for flat stock but not very good in all diamensions
Hello: I would very much like to know more about the fence lock/lever you use; i'v been having real problems finding a seller with the right size for this size fence; i did purchase one, when it arrived it looked like something for a doll house; i have it in a jar as a reminder of all the wrong things I buy when I don't know the actual name or size that i need, can you help me, I like this fence, the details ARE very good and well planned; I cannot complain although maybe you could use some improvements on the voice level BUT i do have hearing problems; I'll appreciate any help you can provide, thanks again Michael C.
best step by step video and how to with measurements I have found on UA-cam yet, for an awesome fence system! Thank you sir for your time, expertise, and sharing with the rest of us. Mad respect. I think UA-cam needs to add a feature "Super like"! A "super subscribe" button too! For now I will just have to settle for giving you a click on like and subscribe.
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Hi, thanks for your video and fence build, I like it 👍 What is the biggest improvement compared to your earlier fence design? Curious to hear that... Cheers!
hi. i can't find part one of the fence plan , is there a part one or not ?, if there is please upload this part that also give me some info for the toggle clamp
www.woodcraft.com/products/woodriver-vertical-handle-toggle-clamp-5-3-4-x-7-1-2-750-lb-capacity?via=573621f469702d06760016cd%2C576328a869702d20ec000b2f%2C5bf5b10b776f6f7dc1001022 should work
Nice job, but would be very expensive to make in the UK, as the price of materials would be prohibitive if buying just for this project alone. Might just be viable if you had enough stock of MDF and aluminium sheet left over from other projects. However the building, and accuracy are impressive.
Thank you very much, I agree this material is expensive but very durable and flatten that is why I am using this material for the fence. MDF is good but not too durable. Maybe I recommend using HDF.
Makasih banyak supportya mas, klo hmr kykya bru ada di kota besar aj mas setauq adaya di surabaya, bandung, jakarta lainya krng tau. Klo aluminium sheet beli di toko aluminium gedhe ada tgl tya tebelya am grade kualitasya
it's High Moisture Resistance particleboard, like regular MDF but with a moisture-resistant resin-impregnated during the manufacturing process, generally used in bathrooms or anywhere there is high moisture content.
this is for explain HMR www.sinkwarehouse.com.au/blog/what-is-hmr-board-why-it-is-best-material-for-your-bathroom-vanity-cabinet/#:~:text=Common%20materials%20for%20HMR%20board,for%20'medium%20density%20fibreboard'.&text=Chipboard%20is%20made%20from%20wood,product%20is%20strong%20yet%20lightweight.
thank you, i dont have CAD data, but i give free plan with detail size for build, i add all plan in my FB page you can joint on plywoodworking tips & trick on FB for easy download
@@plywoodworking oh yes, that gives me a lot of inspiration. Also the other jig's (adjustable slidingpush, discsander, angle clamp and more). You must know, my English is not good I'm from Germany (Stuttgart). But as you really explain factual is just great and easy for me to understand. If I wrote something wrong or bad please excuse my english
Mantap gan, maaf mau tanya toggle clamp-nya yg berapa lbs/kg ya gan? Saya bentar lagi mau build, lagi beli2 barangnya cuman gk tau yg ukuran brpa toggle clamp-nya. Thank you gan 🙏🏻
@@plywoodworking Berdasarkan ciri-ciri nya kyk Wipro TCV 906(holiding capacity 100kg) gan, tapi ada kakaknya lagi TCV 907(holding capacity 340kg) cuman lebih panjang armnya. Saya beli aja keduanya, masing2 satu takut salah soalnya heheh, toh bakal berguna buat hal lain klo TCV yg satu gk cocok. Mantul gan, tinggal mikir frame besinya aja nih Saya, tapi di awal2 kyknya belum di perlukan jadi nanti aja urusin itu lah tunggu bending. 😁
Kykya yg diatas 300kg itu cm kpn itu ada yg armya agk pendek, tp yg panjang pun gk ap2 kan bs diatur nanti, karetya bs pake karet kakiya mebel cari aj ditoko mebel ato online banyak karet kaki kursi
Makasih mas klo plywood disini merek ap yg bagus bs rata mas, klo solid gk keburu waktu kerjainya😁. Hmr solusi plng enak mas rata flat, kuat, tahan air jga
I love what you made here. I have made one the same but I can't find a big Vertical toggle clamp like you have used here. Where did you buy yours Buddy. I also subscribed. 😁😁😁
you can set blade position first on table saw, if still not center you can adjust on lock system, release screw and center again or this is last option set up the rail fence
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This is THE BEST custom table saw fence/rail system I’ve ever seen. Thank you for this. I need to build this one.
thank you very, glad can give some inspired!!
Impressive! I watched the whole video with no pauses or skipping parts. I enjoyed it a lot and this is exactly what I was looking for. Congrats!
Awesome, thank you!
@@plywoodworking I'd like to know the measures of the toggle, if that were possible. I want to buy one but there are different sizes. Thanks
Progetto eccezionale sia per l'originalità che per la professionalità e la cura dei dettagli,complimenti all'autore(a great job)
thank you hope can give some inspired
Perfect job very professionally done. Congrats.
Glad you liked it!
Спасибо, всегда с удовольствием смотрю твои видео!!! Удачи и успеха!!!!!
Thank you very much 👍👌
At last one with all the instructions set out in layman's terms, I willbe definitely building one in the future.
thank you hope can give inspired
Excellent!! You are a brilliant woodworker and you even found a way to communicate with those of us whose first language is English. The table saw table and fence system is a pretty nice upgrade for a small table saw. I may have to do something like that for my Dewalt 745 table saw!! Consider me subscribed!
Thank you very much!
The best fence I have ever seen.
Nice video, I will try for my cheap einhell table saw. Two questions. In my country (Spain) is very difficult to found HDF. You think MDF will do the work? And the second. Wich glue you use for aluminum/wood bond? It doesn´t seem epoxy. Thank you so much!
MDF can handle that but you need give extra protection coz MDF not durable with weather. for glue use PVaC type
Outstanding craftsmanship, well explained work. Keep it up and thanks for sharing it with us 🙏🏼
Thank you very much!
Quite simply the very best homemade table saw fence I have ever seen, probably better than most factory jobs. Very well done sir.
Thank you very much hope can give inspired for your project, maybe you need inspired i give free plan you can download that on description
You never saw the one I made. It is solid steel.
Very good work and good design
Thanks a lot
Excelente video muy detallado y preciso incomparable a otro, claro solo faltaba la traducción al español pero “la imagen dice mil palabras”, gracias por tu video y el aporte que transmites. Luis de Peru
your welcome glad you like this video
@@plywoodworking 👍
Good job bro....👍👍👍👍
Sukses selalu mas bro...👍👍👍👍
Thank you so much 😀
You are a genius
thank you very much, glad you like
great work. nice result. thanks for sharing
Thank you! Cheers!
Itu bahannya pake MDF ya bos. Terimakasih atas ilmunya. Sukses buat abang. 👍
Hmr
Very nice, I am going to try this fence, thanks
Glad you like this, thank you very much
Nice good teacher o excellent I don’t think whit this design all this expensive fences have no chance well I got my own toggle stainless clump today that is starting my fence I wait till I back to Colombia from London any way thanks I said hello from London happy new year 2024 good bye 😅
thank you very much!!
My friend, excellent work, it is appreciated that you show the measurements and the entire construction process .... Súper súper súper NICEEEEE... 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thank you, hope can give inspired
This is a brilliant instructional video. I've been looking for something like this. Thank you very much.
Thank you, glad you like the video
Wonderful projest
thank you, glad you like
Great build and video. Does the fence automatically square to the blade when you clamp it, or do you have to adjust it and ensure it's re-squared every time you move the fence for a new cut?
thank you very much!!
I may have missed it, but is there fine tune after assembly adjustability IE square to blade and parallel to miter slots?
thank you very much!!
Thanks for the inclinometer tool. New tool that I never knew that it exist. Thanks!
Happy to help!
Wow I want one, my dream table saw. I might add that this is inspiring. Well done on a great job.
Thank you hope can give inspired
One of the best DIY fence that is perhaps as good if not better than the legendary "BIESMEYER" fence. Lots of parts and layout but certainly will stand the test of time. BTW, what is HMR? Not sure whether it is sold here in the US. Hope it is not the same as MDF or Particleboard which is great for flat stock but not very good in all diamensions
thank you for all support, try search HMR material sell on US
Hello: I would very much like to know more about the fence lock/lever you use; i'v been having real problems finding a seller with the right size for this size fence; i did purchase one, when it arrived it looked like something for a doll house; i have it in a jar as a reminder of all the wrong things I buy when I don't know the actual name or size that i need, can you help me, I like this fence, the details ARE very good and well planned; I cannot complain although maybe you could use some improvements on the voice level BUT i do have hearing problems; I'll appreciate any help you can provide, thanks again Michael C.
Thank you so much 😀
A true craftsman. well done.
Greets Danny from the Netherlands
Thank a ton, hope can give inspired for your project
Excelente. Felicidades
thank you very much!!!
best step by step video and how to with measurements I have found on UA-cam yet, for an awesome fence system! Thank you sir for your time, expertise, and sharing with the rest of us. Mad respect. I think UA-cam needs to add a feature "Super like"! A "super subscribe" button too! For now I will just have to settle for giving you a click on like and subscribe.
thank you for your support, hope can give some inspired for your project!
Sorry to jump on post what wood is this green bord mdf
Well like every time is perfect that’s my next proyecto I will ad some things still I going to use you template thanks 🙏
Awesome! Thank you!
Very clever !
thank you very much
what is HMR? i cant find it in sweden when iam searching for it on google, awsome videos you make me inspired to try some builds ty
This is for explain about HMR material
www.sinkwarehouse.com.au/blog/what-is-hmr-board-why-it-is-best-material-for-your-bathroom-vanity-cabinet/
it doesn't appear we can get it in the U.S. either, unless it is called something else here.
Hmr maybe difficult on US but i sure available but maybe with different name
I think it’s just mdf
Same type wood but mdf and hmr different, mdf not waterproof and durable like hmr
Where did you get the on/off paddle switch please? Can you comment a link please ? There are so many and I would really like one like yours please 😊
check this link www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002683527814.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.1d3556b3UQGv4b&algo_pvid=5e49405b-cf51-4bc7-ac5f-89080e41869b&algo_exp_id=5e49405b-cf51-4bc7-ac5f-89080e41869b-10&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000021705826439%22%7D&pdp_pi=-1%3B144243.0%3B-1%3B69700.17%40salePrice%3BIDR%3Bsearch-mainSearch
i buy on ali express, i dont know how make link more short 😁
Hi, thanks for your video and fence build, I like it 👍
What is the biggest improvement compared to your earlier fence design? Curious to hear that... Cheers!
Thank you very much 👍👌
Mas, pelapis logam itu pakai plate aluminium atau bahan yg lain?
pake aluminum 2mm
Its Amazing video & skills presentation... more power
Thank you very much
Really nice job mate. 👍
Thank you very much
where do i find plans for this thanks great video
Plan available on plywoodworking tips & trick group on fb, i give link on description
@@plywoodworking i cant seem to find them can you put link here
Another great project 👍👍👌
Thank you very much
Tempelin alumunium sheet nya pake lem apa ya biar gak gampang lepas om
pake lem jenis PVAC mas, warna putih bs merek ap aj, klo ini pke merek PVC fix
Amazon Job!
thank you very much!!!
Outstanding, thank you.
You're very welcome!
Simply superb project dude. Kudos to you. I may have to pinch with pride......
thank you so much
Could you please tell me what HMR is. It looks like homasote sold in the USA. THANKS
this is for detail explain www.sinkwarehouse.com.au/blog/what-is-hmr-board-why-it-is-best-material-for-your-bathroom-vanity-cabinet/
hi.
i can't find part one of the fence plan , is there a part one or not ?, if there is please upload this part that also give me some info for the toggle clamp
This is only part for detail make fence if want complite version you can see on super ultimate table saw masterplan that complite version for all
www.woodcraft.com/products/woodriver-vertical-handle-toggle-clamp-5-3-4-x-7-1-2-750-lb-capacity?via=573621f469702d06760016cd%2C576328a869702d20ec000b2f%2C5bf5b10b776f6f7dc1001022 should work
Esto es una obra de arte!
Thank you! Cheers!😊
Nice job, but would be very expensive to make in the UK, as the price of materials would be prohibitive if buying just for this project alone. Might just be viable if you had enough stock of MDF and aluminium sheet left over from other projects. However the building, and accuracy are impressive.
Thank you very much, I agree this material is expensive but very durable and flatten that is why I am using this material for the fence. MDF is good but not too durable. Maybe I recommend using HDF.
bagus sangat detail ....
thank you very much 👍👍
Very good great job 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Thank you hope can give inspired
Mantap gan, langsung ngeh orang lokal pas liat lemnya. Saya baru di woodworking, biasanya beli HMR sama alumunium sheet itu dimana ya?
Makasih banyak supportya mas, klo hmr kykya bru ada di kota besar aj mas setauq adaya di surabaya, bandung, jakarta lainya krng tau. Klo aluminium sheet beli di toko aluminium gedhe ada tgl tya tebelya am grade kualitasya
@@plywoodworking saya di jakarta sih, tapi gatau mesti beli kemana hehe, alumunium di toko2 ada ya, oke gann makasih ya
@@aldgarbelamy7012 dijakarta ada kok cb tya2 aj di toko plywood, ty material HMR pasti ada
Itu pakai bahan apa mz? Kayu,multiplek atau apa?kok warnanya rada hijau abu” gitu.
Hmr namaya cb ketik di google hmr material
Mas mau tanya donk, cara pemasangan kabel switch saklar on off itu gimana ya mas? saya punya kok gak fungsi ya
Klo ini jelasinya agk panjang mas, emg sedikit bedha cara pasamgya br magnetya berfungsi
Is HMR the same as MDF?
Almost Same but different hmr (high moisture resisten) upgrade from mdf, combine from partical with resin. That why hmr waterproof, solid and flaten
Awesomeee...👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you! Cheers!
A very well made video and in depth details. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you very much, hope can give inspired!!
jika meja saya hanya sedalam 25 inci (635 mm), berapa panjang yang saya potong daripada 880mm?
for the length give extra 150mm or minimum 100mm for the dimension yout top table, no need same use 880mm
@@plywoodworking what size toggle clamp is that? GH101 or something else? Thanks
Ada koran kompasnya heheh. Palm router itu apa sih bro yg buat cuci plat nya?
Siap
The fence is great! Though I’d do something about the wobbly saw.
thank you hope can give inspired
Thank you for the many ideas. great job.
Glad you like them!
Power push button Magnetic'nya beli di mana om? Kalo beli di toko online bisa minta Linknya? Terima kasih banyak.... 🙏
Beli di ali express ada banyak dsna , cari aj powerpush button red cover
@@plywoodworking makasih banyak om
Memangnya bisa ya plat seng di lem di kayu menggunakan lem kayu?
Ini bkn lem kayu mas
@@plywoodworking lem apa namanya?
Pvc fix, dia lem buata sheet, hpl tp bs buat acrilik ke kayu, aluminium ke kayu, besi plat ke kayu
Great build! Quick question, what is HMR?
this is for detail explain HMR www.sinkwarehouse.com.au/blog/what-is-hmr-board-why-it-is-best-material-for-your-bathroom-vanity-cabinet/
@@plywoodworking I dont know if we have something similar in The United states? Do you happen to know?
Its a pressure treated MDF. If not available, then use regular MDF and seal it when completed.
it's High Moisture Resistance particleboard, like regular MDF but with a moisture-resistant resin-impregnated during the manufacturing process, generally used in bathrooms or anywhere there is high moisture content.
Hmp -что за материал возможно это МДФ ? medium-density fibreboard, MDF; иногда применяют транслит: МДФ,
this is for explain HMR www.sinkwarehouse.com.au/blog/what-is-hmr-board-why-it-is-best-material-for-your-bathroom-vanity-cabinet/#:~:text=Common%20materials%20for%20HMR%20board,for%20'medium%20density%20fibreboard'.&text=Chipboard%20is%20made%20from%20wood,product%20is%20strong%20yet%20lightweight.
a very very safe system ...
a very good job...
I want to do too
...Can you share the 3D CAD data with me?
thank you, i dont have CAD data, but i give free plan with detail size for build, i add all plan in my FB page you can joint on plywoodworking tips & trick on FB for easy download
@@plywoodworking thank you very much
Absolut To Fence. I must build this for my Tabelsaw. Thank´s for This Video. I have long surch for a really good Fence
Thank you glad hear that, hope can give inspired
@@plywoodworking oh yes, that gives me a lot of inspiration. Also the other jig's (adjustable slidingpush, discsander, angle clamp and more). You must know, my English is not good I'm from Germany (Stuttgart). But as you really explain factual is just great and easy for me to understand. If I wrote something wrong or bad please excuse my english
@@seabex5162 dont worry about that, same i have bad english too , i glad can give some inspired
Hi sir,,how many price,? I like your inspired
how do I get plans you mention description BUT I do not see it
I give link on description super ultimate table saw, that plan for table saw, fence and outfeed table slide
That was cool. Now lets see if we can take wobble out of the stand.
Thank you, ypu can setup this fence with flexible on edge or strong maybe need long cut
Looks good, just needs some grub screws added for adjustments to yaw and roll skew
thank you very much
Mantap gan, maaf mau tanya toggle clamp-nya yg berapa lbs/kg ya gan? Saya bentar lagi mau build, lagi beli2 barangnya cuman gk tau yg ukuran brpa toggle clamp-nya. Thank you gan 🙏🏻
Tipeya lupa cari aj yg plng gedhe tp yg gagangya pendek. Merekya wipro cm udh lupa pastiya
@@plywoodworking Oh Wipro yg paling gede ya, ok gan ntar saya cari di ols pasti ada. Makasih banyak & sukses selalu ya gan 🙏🏻👍🏻
Siap sama2,bnr yg plng gedhe tp jgn yg armya panjang cri yg pendek ada kok
@@plywoodworking Berdasarkan ciri-ciri nya kyk Wipro TCV 906(holiding capacity 100kg) gan, tapi ada kakaknya lagi TCV 907(holding capacity 340kg) cuman lebih panjang armnya. Saya beli aja keduanya, masing2 satu takut salah soalnya heheh, toh bakal berguna buat hal lain klo TCV yg satu gk cocok. Mantul gan, tinggal mikir frame besinya aja nih Saya, tapi di awal2 kyknya belum di perlukan jadi nanti aja urusin itu lah tunggu bending. 😁
Kykya yg diatas 300kg itu cm kpn itu ada yg armya agk pendek, tp yg panjang pun gk ap2 kan bs diatur nanti, karetya bs pake karet kakiya mebel cari aj ditoko mebel ato online banyak karet kaki kursi
Awesome.. I have the cheapest Dewalt tablesaw and the fence mechanism is awful, I will try to make something like you did.. Thanks
thank you,You can do it!
Bang, videomu selalu keren...top dah.....btw kenapa pakai HMR?kenapa ga pakai solid wood ato plywood, ada alasan tertentu ga bang?
Makasih mas klo plywood disini merek ap yg bagus bs rata mas, klo solid gk keburu waktu kerjainya😁. Hmr solusi plng enak mas rata flat, kuat, tahan air jga
I will like explanation about gluing aluminium sheets on mdf. Is that wood glue? Tnx
i use PVAc glue but give grip on aluminum before glue, more good if use polymer glue, but more long apply if use polymer
Mas beli saklar gt dimana? Mohon info
dlu beliya di ali express mas pas blm ada pajak kyk skr
Hay quá 👍!
Thank you very much!!!
What is "HMR" material? Is that like MDF, or plastic, or ...?
High Moisture Resistant...
thank you very much😊👍
So talented!
Thank you
Veramente un capolavoro.
Il progetto più bello in assoluto che abbia mai visto.
Truly a masterpiece.
The most beautiful project I've ever seen.
Thank you
Great tutorial, big thumb up!
Thank you! Cheers!
Instead of using HMR board as material, could you make just the same from Baltic birch plywood?
Yes you can use birch plywood i think that great material too but make sure plywood not bend or curve
Как называется этот красный рычаг и где его купить???
Thank you very much
I love what you made here. I have made one the same but I can't find a big Vertical toggle clamp like you have used here. Where did you buy yours Buddy. I also subscribed. 😁😁😁
Thank you very much, i buy online for vertical toggle clamp
Nice work sir. Anybody know what HMR is looks similar to MDF ?
Thank you, hmr the next mdf. look like MDF but more durable, flaten, solid and waterprof.
High moisture resistant
mantul om did.. 😄
siap, smoga bermanfaat
Where can you buy HMR board? Thanks
where you can from?
@@plywoodworking ? No idea what you are saying or asking.
You can buy on ali express or alibaba but i dont know about shipping, me buy on local store.
Same material like this call valchromat
Good design skills.
thank you
Perfect my Friends. Congratulations!
Thank you
Best
Many many thanks
What is it name digital tool to measure degre sawblade?
Inclinometer
@@plywoodworking thank you
Om, itu table top nya pake bahan apa ya dan tebal berapa, susah gak ngebentuknya rapi gitu?
aluminium 2 mm mas, bs dibilang lmyan ssh mas
@@plywoodworking kalo pake plat seng bagus gak ya?
Drpd seng galvalum 0.4 aj mas cm krng enak sih tp bs jdi opsi murah
Gracias por el aporte y vídeo,como siempre excelente trabajo.....
thank you
How do you adjust fence for parallel to blade?
you can set blade position first on table saw, if still not center you can adjust on lock system, release screw and center again or this is last option set up the rail fence
Om togel clamp nya merk dan jenis apa ?
Klo gk salah wipro
Great video good work
Thank you
Ini orang Indonesia bukan si? Keren bgt
Yup bnr sy orqng indo, maksih banyak udh mampir. Klo gk keberatan bantu share channelya😁
What is HMR and where do you buy it?
Hmr (high moisture resistan) this material the next mdf
BS minta link pembelian digital protector nya om🙏🙏
sy lupa linkya mas nanti klo nemu sy update
@@plywoodworking oiYa lapisan putih itu sejenis seng atw apa ya namanya, tebalnya brp mm. Sukses slalu om
Mucho lujo pero los verdaderos carpinteros realizan con una sierra vieja y son los que más saben