I bought and highly recommend U-Turn audio turntables. I like that they are made in America and offer a wide range of price points. I went all in and got the Theory & Ortofon Bronze cart, but there are some much more budget friendly offerings too.
@ for sure. Once they made that upgrade along with the tonearm update, I was in. Wouldn’t mind the removable head-shell option, but that’s not a deal breaker for me.
If you ever find your turntable is not doing it for you unload the Bronze cartridge. I found it made my system sound horrible, my CD player sounded better. Listening fatigue went off the charts, 2 albums & I had enough. 🤓
@@ToastbackWhale Yeah, that's the thing that has me shopping for an upgrade from my U-Turn (purchased before they offered any with electronic speed control). I have quite a few 45 rpm records and I find that I rarely listen to them because it's too annoying to move the belt.
Well done Frank! We purchased the Audio Technica LP 120USB in 2012 and has never let us down. We also love the Nagoka MP 110, it’s great for what we listen to.🙏🏻🎧
Same here… still going strong and added Concord Ortofon cartridge. Last year bought 2 new 120’s with the addition of BT. They have sorted out the few problems with earlier models, again with Ortofon’s fitted. I really love mine great for mixing and TBH just as good as Technics which I had many moons ago.
I've had my AT 120 for 9 years, and it's worked great! And no 'direct drive rumble' that I can hear, just rock-solid pitch/speed. Sometimes, I do wish it was auto-stop, but that's when I'm a bit lazy after a side has played!
An alternative to the 1500C is the 100C. It is the same table minus the preamp and has a 95E cartridge, so it's cheaper. Also, a hidden feature for both is an auto spin stop and power off. I've done several upgrades to mine and am extremely happy with it.
Thanks for the info about Discogs. I've been meaning to catalog my records and this is just the ticket. Proud owner of a Technics 1200 Mk5 and just ordered a Technics 1210G with a Ortofon 2M Bronze. Merry Christmas!
I have a Pioneer PLX1000, and am very happy with it. It's a pretty solid option that is right up there with the Technics, but is slightly less expensive. Just be aware that I don't think it usually comes bundled with a needle, but that allows you to choose exactly what needle you want from the start. The only real downside is that the dust cover is not attached by hinges like most other turntables, you just have to lift it completely off and set it aside.
I just got the RT82 last week, and since it’s been probably nearly 40 years since I played records, and there’s no way to “test” some of these out, I felt I didn’t know fully what to expect. Well, my first impression put a big smile on my face. Even with the “average” cartridge that comes on the RT82 it sounds really, really good. Although I have a proper full stereo setup in my basement, I wanted something strictly for playing records in my living room so I paired this with Fluance ai41s, and the Fluance pre-amp. Though not nearly as loud as my Energy loudspeakers (and Yamaha amp), the ai41s get loud enough for me (good listening volume, but not deafening). I’m very happy with this setup
Hello Frank ! I still spin my Lp60 and don’t feel the need to upgrade…….yet! I know that I eventually will do it. It’s just that there’s a bunch of expensive records I want to get first. Videos like this is a great help and guideline though. Rock on ! /R
Great List. I get asked a lot about Turntables, Stereos, etc. Definitely going to share this list next time. I started using Discogs for tracking collection about 2 years ago. It took me about 6-8 months to input everything as I did about 20 records a week on average. The older records are much harder obviously and don’t always have a barcode. But I’m happy it’s done now. Good Luck with that process! Good excuse to listen to some albums too.
I just got the Fluance 81+ love it like that I can easily upgrade it. Great show. Happy holidays to you and your family. Keep on spinning my friend 😎🤘🎅☃️
I have the RT81 and love it. I haven’t done any upgrades to it over the five years I have had it because I am so happy with the sound that I am putting my money into records first. But the ability to upgrade basically everything on it easily was a huge selling point for me - the sound is warm and fulsome for the music I listen to (classic rock, folk, country, southern, blues).
Great Video as always Frank, I've been spinning the AT-LP60x for quite a few years now and it's still holding up well, I am thinking though of sometime getting a Fluance RT81 for better Quality and Sound.
I bought a Fluance RT85 and added an extra head shell and the MP110. I feel that it's an excellent set up but I'm not getting the most out of it because my cleaning technique sucks. I'm getting a cleaning machine this Christmas, so I'm hoping that does the trick. Nice video.
I bought the Technics 1500C last fall. I replaced the cartridge with an Ortofon Bronze (they were on sale!) and I am hooked! I did have to turn off the auto-lift because it kept lifting the tone arm before the end of the record. Not a big deal to me. Great show and great recommendations! Thanks!
I re-started vinyl in 2008 with an Audio Technica LP120 with an AT440MLB cart. I was left unsatisfied and so then I moved up to the U-Turn Orbit with a Nagaoka MP110 when it came out, then to a Pro-Ject 2Xperience SB with a Sumiko Blue Point #2. Then I bought the Rega Planar6 with Ania cart and that was almost 7 years ago. I have not replaced it nor have I been inclined to do so. YMMV.
Technics 1200GR owner…love it…my forever turntable. Previous to that I had a NAD 533 which is a rebadged Rega Planar 2…still going strong 25 years after I bought it..and getting used regularly at my friends house. As such would recommend looking at the Technics 1500C or Rega P3 if you’re looking to upgrade. Two very different turntables but built to last.
Hello Frank, hope you and yours are doing well! Great post, very informative. The list will be invaluable for anyone to make a good turntable decision whether they are just starting their vinyl journey or considering an upgrade. I spin my vinyl with a U-Turn Orbit (no preamp) playing through an Ortofon 5M E cartridge. I chose not to go with a installed preamp; to keep possible points of failure and noise to a minimum. I do wish the Orbit had a detachable head shell though. Keep on spinnin' Frank and Merry Christmas!
Good video Frank! I recently replaced my Technics SLDL1 linear tracking turntable with a brand new Dual cs429 turntable. I love the automatic features. And at $869 it's well worth it. Designed in Germany although manufactured in China. Has a built-in preamp. Comes with the 2M red cartridge. I love it!
Recently bought an AT-LP3XBT, and an ATVMN95E stylus. Very good for the price, sounds great (to my wife and I) through our home stereo, and also via Bluetooth to my AirPods Max. Chose this over the 60 as it also has a manual mode, for when we want to listen to a particular track. Build quality is good, even though mostly plastic like most AT turntables. Hopefully it lasts a fair while.
I agree with your recommendations. All are solid turntables at their price points. I currently own a Technics SL1200 Mk2. Like yours, it will probably outlive me. I am currently using an Audio Technica VM95SH cartridge, which is a great cartridge on this turntable.
I think providing some guidance to entry level turntables is great, however I would question if a removable headshell is beneficial at this price point. For instance one might be better off investing in one better cartridge than two lesser cartridges and diversifying the money at this price point. Also , consider the ownership goals before investing in automatic features. One of the things to understand about avoiding acoustic and mechanical contamination at the needle is that everything rattles at some level, and the more mechanisms in the design, the more signal contamination occurs, because everything makes "noise" even at an infinitesimal level. A lot of the energy will be from the music playing, some will be generated from the turntable as it runs, but the only noise that is of value is generated by the needle passing through the vinyl grooves. if one wants the best possible sound for the money, audiophiles get a full manual design. of course , this brings the drawback of manually having to lift the needle at the end of play to prevent wear on the cartridge, already a consumable component. but then audiophiles are hobbyists that have better sound as their primary goal.
I would recommend them all except the LP60. I'm glad you featured the Evo 2, otherwise, the video would have looked like it came anytime from at least the last three years. Instead of the LP60, you should have featured the LP70 as it is far superior in a number of ways and costs more, but it is probably better value. The Evo 2, I think, also comes available in at least one additional colour. The LP120X can also be upgraded in a number of ways. It's a favourite amongst people who are non technical and people that do have more advanced Turntables. I'm sure the light plastic plinth is fine too.Rega has proven that the plinth does not require to be heavy. The Rega 8 and Rega 10 are just light frameworks and can be lifted with just one finger .
I agree about the LP-70 series, and the LP-120's. I started with an LP-120XUSB (non-BT version), and it was a great turntable for the price. I've since upgraded to a Technics SL-1210GR, but the LP-120X was a great performer and learning experience.
I'm still rockin the Audio-Technica - AT-LP70X and will for a awhile, eventually I'll get me a project but i like my current setup and it works for me the only issue is when my wife bumped it and sent the needle slamming into the mat but that's on me for not having it locked.. now I have to wait till the replacement Stylus gets here lol
Still have an original Technics SL 1500 I use on my office audio system. Nearly 50 years old and still works great. The turntable I listen to the most however is a Rega P2 in my listening room. Love the high quality tone arm and glass platter Rega uses. Sounds terrific.
My sister-in-law thinks me insane to have bought a used Thorens (no, not vintage, one of the new ones) for $700. But she is insane as well but that is a topic for another forum. Anyway, for my very poor friends I have been recommending the new Audio Technica AT-70LPX (I like the black and bronze version). I have watched several unboxing videos and for those who are just dabbling, its simple no fuss, no muss appeals to me. But I think all your recommendations are "spot on". Oh, I also own a 40 year old Linn Sondek LP12. Bought back in the day when I had some money. The only way I recommend that table is if you do have some bucks, AND LIVE NEAR A LINN DEALER!
so good turntables in your selection Frank. I use the Audio Technica AT-LP5X which I love. I have the Ortofon red cartridge which sounds nice, but will take the step up to the Blue, at some stage in the future. Love the Fluance and the Technics SL1200, should I upgrade... but my secret stash of cash is currently getting hammered to cover christmas prezzies !!
Hey Frank, I would also note for local (Winnipeg) fans of your channel that Into The Music, our venerable local used/new record shop, has a refurbished Thorens TD160 for $700 C$ with cart. For that price that TT would beat most of your lower priced selections for value and performance (assuming that the refurb was done well).
I have a Technics SL1500C with an Ortofon 2M Bronze. Sounds incredible. It was not my first choice. I had a Pro Ject X1B that came in deffective. After MONTHS of waiting for a replacement, the store where i bought it said "pick any turntable in the same price range and keep it" I don't regret switching to Technics.
Nice. Im happy with my RT-85. I think it's important to note that the 85 and 85N have different fixed VTA's to accomodate the different cartridges. I am eying the SL-100c for a direct drive. It's similar to the 1500c but without the built-in pre-amp and a cheaper cartridge, which I would swap our regardless of the model.
If I could make a couple suggestions, if you can squeeze $50 more into your budget. Go with the fluance rt82 over the rt81. And then little by little. You can upgrade the rt82 to make it an rt85. Second, if you don't need the phono preamp, you can go with the Technics sl-100c over the 1500. The 100c does not have the phono preamp and you can save a few dollars. Granted this is all based on US prices and availability.
I learned long ago. ( I'm over 70 - original. AR. T'table ) that full auto is the way to go... handles the critical. needle / lp contact far better than my hands, especially. IF ' enhancements' are in use. plus it gives ya a bit of time to sit down..... a couple yeas ago I bought a new full auto Thorens 103 , just because. still have a mid 1970's pioneer full auto works fine. THAT is a product. oh, to me, the best improvement in Hi Fi since the early 1970's boost in affordable power was the DVD - I greatly prefer. Concert videos , be it A. Netrebko, La Traviatta , Diana Krall, Paris. or Grateful Dead movie, disc 2. and a DVD player from a big box store can be had for. $ 75. and a CD costs about 1 /3 an LP now a days. nutty.
I got the SL-1500C in april of this year. I'm very pleased with it. It was that or the Cambridge Audio Alva TT v2. In the end I'm glad I didn't spend more, the SL-1500C is a great player and matches the price of my cd player.
Aloha Frank, I purchased a Fluance RT-85 with Ortofon Blue Cartridge couple years ago, I've had Technics turntables in the mid 1970's but,they were also beltdrive. My Fluance RT-85 is all I need right now. Unless I win a lottery lol....
Personally, I got lucky. One friend decided to part with gues what a Technics SL1200MK2 black edition. He sold it to me in 2002 for $400 and I am using it since then. The only thing I did modify is the cardgrige. I used the now no longer availaible Shure ones. Then I learned about Ortofon 2M line. I got myself the 2M Blue. Then I upgraded to the Bronze one wich required to upgrage the cardrige. Then I upgraded to the 2M Black stylus as the 2M Bronze and Black share the same cardrige. Now I upgraded to the 2M Black LVB 250 and my impression on that one it's another world of music. Okay it's expensive but it worth it otherwise to acheive the performance of that stylus that can be used on the 2M Black or Bronze is phenomenal with a near perfect sterephonic separation and to acheive that you would need a Moving Coil cardrige but for a Moving Magnet one with the LVB 250 stylus it's maybe expensive but to acheive that a Moving Coil cardrige is more expensive and you would need a special preamp on top.
You should really look at the audio technical LP 1240. For $500, maybe more now, it's an excellent choice. Big up grade from the 120 that you mentioned.
Great video. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but I really believe when you buy any audio component you get what you pay for. If you spend $100 or $200 you will get something made out of plastic and made very cheaply. I would choose either a Dual CS 429 or a Technics 1200G
Awesome Video Frank & just in case you don't make & release anymore Videos before Christmas then I just wanted to say ... MERRY ( early ) CHRISTMAS FRANK 🎅🏻🤶🏻🎄⛄️❄️
I have a Music Hall USB-1 turntable connected to a 7.2 Yamaha RX-A2A A/V receiver with a 7.1 Klipsch 7.1 speaker system with Klipsch R-800 F being the main front speakers! Someday I will upgrade my turntable. And sometime after Christmas I've got to order me a new T-shirt from you! The one I ordered from you about two years ago the logo has peeled away. I guess from washing it in my washing machine! IDK! But I need a new T-shirt!
Where was Discogs 55 years ago when I started collecting? 🤣 I have retro equipment, but I also have a Fluance RT85 with upgraded Blue Ortofon. Not disappointed so far. 👍
I don't think built in phono preamps are necessary in turntables above the entry level, the money saved could be used to improve the overall quality. I love the auto return at the end of the music though. I also like non built in cables so they can be switched/upgraded if/when necessary. Unfortunately this was not the case in the old days. I have no use for blue tooth and other digital connections. I am also a direct drive guy, even though I cannot prove it, I believe it keeps the speed more accurate than a thin rubber belt spinning 1,000's of times. I am still looking, on and off, to replace my Technics SL-D2 bought new in 1980 and still looking and playing as new and never serviced. What I would like is just a TT with classic looks, direct drive, no digital connections and no phono preamp but with auto return. Not much out there to fit my "wants" and, of course, I would never even consider anything Made in China. Thanks for the info on Discogs, I will start today. Merry Christmas to all.
If you want great turntables with many bells and whistles for djing or just to hear the vinyl and don’t mind spending some money on them I recommend Pioneer crss Reloops 8000 Or getting a used pair of technics 1200 You can feel the quality and the torque on all 3
If I was asked, I'd say choose one of Frank's more expensive choices. The cheaper phonos, plastic & built in China or Taiwan, sound OK but there's no "cool factor." If you want to play records you already own, I'm sure cheap models are adequate but you won't uncover any nuances in familiar LPs. If you're just discovering physical media & want to build a library, I'd consider either a $300-ish CD player or else save up your change for a nicer turntable. An exception might be the U-Turn phonos built in New England. Of course "cool" is in the eye of, well you know 😎!
I had a RT 85.... didn't care for it....bought Pro-Ject carbon evo...when i bought it it was $499...US dollars...have upgraded to a Moonstone and acrylic platter
For my AT-LPGO BT (Walmart LP60XBT), I just purchased an ATN-3600LE. This is their new bonded elliptical stylus cartridge. I have not installed it, yet or compared it to the old 3600 conical. But hopefully it will improve the sound a bit. UPDATE: After installing the new cartridge, I thought maybe it sounds a little fuller. My mother was listening upstairs through the Bluetooth speaker. She thought it sounded clearer.
My local hifi shop has just stopped stocking Technics decks, the guy told me no one was buying them after trialing them against the Rega's they also stock.
I guess I'm a dinosaur because I like my turntables to be fully automatic. I have the Audio Technica LP-60 and upgraded the stylus to the LP Gear CARBON FIDELITY CFN3600LE stylus. It sounds amazing for the price.
Oh yeah…after a lifetime of manual turntables I finally decided to get a fully automatic one. So I got a Denon dp-300f, I upgraded the cartridge to a Denon dl110 high output mc. The turntable runs thru a Rega brio amp and Fluance reference floor standing speakers, the sound is outstanding !!
Pioneer PLX1000 for $750 and the Goldring E3 cartridge for $100. This is the point of diminishing returns. You can only get five percent better sound than this for any amount of $$$.
Might not matter to some, but for me Audio Technica lacks in customer service. Just sold my AT out of frustration from never getting a response, or getting a canned one, and purchased my 2nd Fluance. They are customer driven and that does it for me.
Couldn't be happier with my 1998 Technics sl 1200 MK5 paired with ortofon lvb 250 cartridge mounted in sumiko head shell and run through project tube box s phono preamp with audioquest interconnects.
7:50 The SL-100C is the same as the 1500C, but without the internal preamp. It's only available in black though. However, a second Technics is missing on this list: the SL-1200G. It's a true endgame turntable IME. While the SL-1200MK2 is built like a tank, the SL-1200G is built like a tank destroyer.
Still only like Phase Linier . Except I'm not sure how to spell Linier . Those track how vinyl records were cut . Could be wrong, but worth looking into .
Don't get me started on that ... When I say Tech-neeks, half the world tells me I'm wrong, when I say Tek-niks, the other half of the world tells me I'm wrong, lol.
@ If your Japanese born and bred I suppose you would pronounce it tek-uu-neeks but since I’m English and we invented the language then I’d pronounce technics as it is spelled. Just saying as I find it really wanky when people say it like you do. It’s like when the English try and speak french with a french accent 😂
I was very disappointed with the Audio Technica LP 120XUSB when I purchased one earlier this year and quickly returned it for a refund. I noticed immediately that it would emitted a “rumbling” sound when playing a record on it! I tried a couple of different records and ensured that the platter was secured properly and it was still noisy. Terrible! Walter
The Audio Technica is light. Sure that is an issue but easily solved. Place a granite slab underneath and your TT is coupled to some serious mass. Can't afford the granite? again no problem, just reclaim your grandfather's headstone.
For around the same price or less than the at60 you can find a good used vintage tt that will likely be better quality. My recommended used tt of choice is the technics sl-d2.
@@Channel33RPM just show what people what kinda crazy stuff is out thereyou dont have to have them in hand .thought it would make for a good episode idea !
Pioneer PLX-1000 all the way beating Technics that are 3 x more in coin. DJ or audiophile use as the superior insulation of the arm will give less interference. Direct drive with optical speed control. Very heavy construction all metal to keep it stable. It is the best Hanpin turntable.
No complaint, I spin the Fluance RT85 with the Blue Orotfon cartridge & Love it !!
I bought and highly recommend U-Turn audio turntables. I like that they are made in America and offer a wide range of price points. I went all in and got the Theory & Ortofon Bronze cart, but there are some much more budget friendly offerings too.
I have a first-gen U-Turn and like it. The change from manual to electronic speed control in the second gen is definitely a good change, though 😅
@ for sure. Once they made that upgrade along with the tonearm update, I was in. Wouldn’t mind the removable head-shell option, but that’s not a deal breaker for me.
I also have & love U-Turn! I've had my U-Turn Custom for around a year with no issues either. If ya squint, you can see it in my pic! 🤣😁
If you ever find your turntable is not doing it for you unload the Bronze cartridge.
I found it made my system sound horrible, my CD player sounded better.
Listening fatigue went off the charts, 2 albums & I had enough. 🤓
@@ToastbackWhale Yeah, that's the thing that has me shopping for an upgrade from my U-Turn (purchased before they offered any with electronic speed control). I have quite a few 45 rpm records and I find that I rarely listen to them because it's too annoying to move the belt.
Well done Frank! We purchased the Audio Technica LP 120USB in 2012 and has never let us down. We also love the Nagoka MP 110, it’s great for what we listen to.🙏🏻🎧
Glad to hear the 120 is still rocking!
Same here… still going strong and added Concord Ortofon cartridge. Last year bought 2 new 120’s with the addition of BT. They have sorted out the few problems with earlier models, again with Ortofon’s fitted. I really love mine great for mixing and TBH just as good as Technics which I had many moons ago.
I've had my AT 120 for 9 years, and it's worked great! And no 'direct drive rumble' that I can hear, just rock-solid pitch/speed. Sometimes, I do wish it was auto-stop, but that's when I'm a bit lazy after a side has played!
I love the Nag! I run vintage tables though. More bang for your buck.
An alternative to the 1500C is the 100C. It is the same table minus the preamp and has a 95E cartridge, so it's cheaper. Also, a hidden feature for both is an auto spin stop and power off. I've done several upgrades to mine and am extremely happy with it.
I'm looking at going from the AT-120 to the Technics 100. I would be interested in hearing what upgrades you've made
Thanks for the info about Discogs. I've been meaning to catalog my records and this is just the ticket. Proud owner of a Technics 1200 Mk5 and just ordered a Technics 1210G with a Ortofon 2M Bronze. Merry Christmas!
I have a Pioneer PLX1000, and am very happy with it. It's a pretty solid option that is right up there with the Technics, but is slightly less expensive. Just be aware that I don't think it usually comes bundled with a needle, but that allows you to choose exactly what needle you want from the start. The only real downside is that the dust cover is not attached by hinges like most other turntables, you just have to lift it completely off and set it aside.
I just got the RT82 last week, and since it’s been probably nearly 40 years since I played records, and there’s no way to “test” some of these out, I felt I didn’t know fully what to expect. Well, my first impression put a big smile on my face. Even with the “average” cartridge that comes on the RT82 it sounds really, really good. Although I have a proper full stereo setup in my basement, I wanted something strictly for playing records in my living room so I paired this with Fluance ai41s, and the Fluance pre-amp. Though not nearly as loud as my Energy loudspeakers (and Yamaha amp), the ai41s get loud enough for me (good listening volume, but not deafening). I’m very happy with this setup
Damn... the timing on this video. Currently looking at my next step up turntable.
Have had the AT LPW50 for a while now. ...Outstanding turntable for the money. Thanks for the great insights.
I have the Fluance RT-84 and I love it. No regrets whatsoever.
Hello Frank ! I still spin my Lp60 and don’t feel the need to upgrade…….yet! I know that I eventually will do it. It’s just that there’s a bunch of expensive records I want to get first. Videos like this is a great help and guideline though. Rock on ! /R
Great List. I get asked a lot about Turntables, Stereos, etc. Definitely going to share this list next time.
I started using Discogs for tracking collection about 2 years ago. It took me about 6-8 months to input everything as I did about 20 records a week on average. The older records are much harder obviously and don’t always have a barcode. But I’m happy it’s done now. Good Luck with that process! Good excuse to listen to some albums too.
I just got the Fluance 81+ love it like that I can easily upgrade it. Great show. Happy holidays to you and your family. Keep on spinning my friend 😎🤘🎅☃️
I have the RT81 and love it. I haven’t done any upgrades to it over the five years I have had it because I am so happy with the sound that I am putting my money into records first. But the ability to upgrade basically everything on it easily was a huge selling point for me - the sound is warm and fulsome for the music I listen to (classic rock, folk, country, southern, blues).
Great Video as always Frank, I've been spinning the AT-LP60x for quite a few years now and it's still holding up well, I am thinking though of sometime getting a Fluance RT81 for better Quality and Sound.
I bought a Fluance RT85 and added an extra head shell and the MP110. I feel that it's an excellent set up but I'm not getting the most out of it because my cleaning technique sucks. I'm getting a cleaning machine this Christmas, so I'm hoping that does the trick. Nice video.
I bought the Technics 1500C last fall. I replaced the cartridge with an Ortofon Bronze (they were on sale!) and I am hooked! I did have to turn off the auto-lift because it kept lifting the tone arm before the end of the record. Not a big deal to me. Great show and great recommendations! Thanks!
I re-started vinyl in 2008 with an Audio Technica LP120 with an AT440MLB cart. I was left unsatisfied and so then I moved up to the U-Turn Orbit with a Nagaoka MP110 when it came out, then to a Pro-Ject 2Xperience SB with a Sumiko Blue Point #2.
Then I bought the Rega Planar6 with Ania cart and that was almost 7 years ago. I have not replaced it nor have I been inclined to do so. YMMV.
Technics 1200GR owner…love it…my forever turntable. Previous to that I had a NAD 533 which is a rebadged Rega Planar 2…still going strong 25 years after I bought it..and getting used regularly at my friends house. As such would recommend looking at the Technics 1500C or Rega P3 if you’re looking to upgrade. Two very different turntables but built to last.
Hello Frank, hope you and yours are doing well! Great post, very informative. The list will be invaluable for anyone to make a good turntable decision whether they are just starting their vinyl journey or considering an upgrade. I spin my vinyl with a U-Turn Orbit (no preamp) playing through an Ortofon 5M E cartridge. I chose not to go with a installed preamp; to keep possible points of failure and noise to a minimum. I do wish the Orbit had a detachable head shell though. Keep on spinnin' Frank and Merry Christmas!
I've tried a couple different U-Turns and they were solid performers. Merry Christmas to you and yours!
Good video Frank!
I recently replaced my Technics SLDL1 linear tracking turntable with a brand new Dual cs429 turntable. I love the automatic features. And at $869 it's well worth it. Designed in Germany although manufactured in China. Has a built-in preamp. Comes with the 2M red cartridge. I love it!
I didn’t know I could add my record collection to Discogs. Thanks, Frank!
Recently bought an AT-LP3XBT, and an ATVMN95E stylus. Very good for the price, sounds great (to my wife and I) through our home stereo, and also via Bluetooth to my AirPods Max. Chose this over the 60 as it also has a manual mode, for when we want to listen to a particular track.
Build quality is good, even though mostly plastic like most AT turntables. Hopefully it lasts a fair while.
I agree with your recommendations. All are solid turntables at their price points. I currently own a Technics SL1200 Mk2. Like yours, it will probably outlive me. I am currently using an Audio Technica VM95SH cartridge, which is a great cartridge on this turntable.
Change the tonearm to a rewired Rega,and upgrade the power supply,you will be astounded at the difference.
I think providing some guidance to entry level turntables is great, however I would question if a removable headshell is beneficial at this price point. For instance one might be better off investing in one better cartridge than two lesser cartridges and diversifying the money at this price point.
Also , consider the ownership goals before investing in automatic features. One of the things to understand about avoiding acoustic and mechanical contamination at the needle is that everything rattles at some level, and the more mechanisms in the design, the more signal contamination occurs, because everything makes "noise" even at an infinitesimal level. A lot of the energy will be from the music playing, some will be generated from the turntable as it runs, but the only noise that is of value is generated by the needle passing through the vinyl grooves.
if one wants the best possible sound for the money, audiophiles get a full manual design. of course , this brings the drawback of manually having to lift the needle at the end of play to prevent wear on the cartridge, already a consumable component. but then audiophiles are hobbyists that have better sound as their primary goal.
Just the video I needed! Thanks, Frank!
Glad to be of service!
I would recommend them all except the LP60. I'm glad you featured the Evo 2, otherwise, the video would have looked like it came anytime from at least the last three years.
Instead of the LP60, you should have featured the LP70 as it is far superior in a number of ways and costs more, but it is probably better value.
The Evo 2, I think, also comes available in at least one additional
colour.
The LP120X can also be upgraded in a number of ways. It's a favourite amongst people who are non technical and people that do have more advanced Turntables.
I'm sure the light plastic plinth is fine too.Rega has proven that the plinth does not require to be heavy. The Rega 8 and Rega 10 are just light frameworks and can be lifted with just one finger .
I agree about the LP-70 series, and the LP-120's. I started with an LP-120XUSB (non-BT version), and it was a great turntable for the price. I've since upgraded to a Technics SL-1210GR, but the LP-120X was a great performer and learning experience.
I'm still rockin the Audio-Technica - AT-LP70X and will for a awhile, eventually I'll get me a project but i like my current setup and it works for me the only issue is when my wife bumped it and sent the needle slamming into the mat but that's on me for not having it locked.. now I have to wait till the replacement Stylus gets here lol
Oh man.... sorry to hear the needle got damages. Hopefully the replacement arrives soon.
Still have an original Technics SL 1500 I use on my office audio system. Nearly 50 years old and still works great. The turntable I listen to the most however is a Rega P2 in my listening room. Love the high quality tone arm and glass platter Rega uses. Sounds terrific.
Hey Frank. Great video and info. Love Technics ! Cheers
Thanks for tuning in!
Just got the LP70X for $159. No complaints nice enough for me.
Fluance all the way ! Love mine so much ive given one as a gift to my family !!
Give the gift of a Clearaudio Statement turntable.
Awesome video bro
My sister-in-law thinks me insane to have bought a used Thorens (no, not vintage, one of the new ones) for $700. But she is insane as well but that is a topic for another forum. Anyway, for my very poor friends I have been recommending the new Audio Technica AT-70LPX (I like the black and bronze version). I have watched several unboxing videos and for those who are just dabbling, its simple no fuss, no muss appeals to me. But I think all your recommendations are "spot on". Oh, I also own a 40 year old Linn Sondek LP12. Bought back in the day when I had some money. The only way I recommend that table is if you do have some bucks, AND LIVE NEAR A LINN DEALER!
so good turntables in your selection Frank. I use the Audio Technica AT-LP5X which I love. I have the Ortofon red cartridge which sounds nice, but will take the step up to the Blue, at some stage in the future. Love the Fluance and the Technics SL1200, should I upgrade... but my secret stash of cash is currently getting hammered to cover christmas prezzies !!
I have a RT-85 and love it also for the price it's hard to beat.
Hey Frank, I would also note for local (Winnipeg) fans of your channel that Into The Music, our venerable local used/new record shop, has a refurbished Thorens TD160 for $700 C$ with cart. For that price that TT would beat most of your lower priced selections for value and performance (assuming that the refurb was done well).
I have a Technics SL1500C with an Ortofon 2M Bronze. Sounds incredible. It was not my first choice. I had a Pro Ject X1B that came in deffective. After MONTHS of waiting for a replacement, the store where i bought it said "pick any turntable in the same price range and keep it" I don't regret switching to Technics.
Nice. Im happy with my RT-85. I think it's important to note that the 85 and 85N have different fixed VTA's to accomodate the different cartridges.
I am eying the SL-100c for a direct drive. It's similar to the 1500c but without the built-in pre-amp and a cheaper cartridge, which I would swap our regardless of the model.
I have the Audio-Technica AT-LP120 USB with a Red Ortofon cartridge and I love it!
@@gnayr1305 I’m really thinking to replace my green Dj II CONCORD… do u really think it’s a good upgrade for me or just the same?
@ I’m not familiar with the DJ II Concord, but I have no complaints with my turntable, especially since I upgraded the cartridge.
I picked the AT-LP120XUSB after watching your review and I like it. This is my first turntable and next update will most likely be the Technics.
Awesome - glad you found the review useful.
If I could make a couple suggestions, if you can squeeze $50 more into your budget. Go with the fluance rt82 over the rt81. And then little by little. You can upgrade the rt82 to make it an rt85. Second, if you don't need the phono preamp, you can go with the Technics sl-100c over the 1500. The 100c does not have the phono preamp and you can save a few dollars. Granted this is all based on US prices and availability.
A HUGE STEP From the 1st to the Second pick!
SL-1200G, of course. 😎 I did it last christmas.🤩
I learned long ago. ( I'm over 70 - original. AR. T'table ) that full auto is the way to go... handles the critical. needle / lp contact far better than my hands, especially. IF ' enhancements' are in use. plus it gives ya a bit of time to sit down..... a couple yeas ago I bought a new full auto Thorens 103 , just because. still have a mid 1970's pioneer full auto works fine. THAT is a product.
oh, to me, the best improvement in Hi Fi since the early 1970's boost in affordable power was the DVD - I greatly prefer. Concert videos , be it A. Netrebko, La Traviatta , Diana Krall, Paris. or Grateful Dead movie, disc 2. and a DVD player from a big box store can be had for. $ 75. and a CD costs about 1 /3 an LP now a days. nutty.
I got the SL-1500C in april of this year. I'm very pleased with it. It was that or the Cambridge Audio Alva TT v2. In the end I'm glad I didn't spend more, the SL-1500C is a great player and matches the price of my cd player.
Just upgraded from an AT-LP60 to an SL-1200 MKII is pristine condition, couldn’t be happier!
Awesome - congrats!
Aloha Frank,
I purchased a Fluance RT-85 with Ortofon Blue Cartridge couple years ago, I've had Technics turntables in the mid 1970's but,they were also beltdrive.
My Fluance RT-85 is all I need right now. Unless I win a lottery lol....
I’m a big fan of Fluance, they make really solid turntables.
Personally, I got lucky. One friend decided to part with gues what a Technics SL1200MK2 black edition. He sold it to me in 2002 for $400 and I am using it since then. The only thing I did modify is the cardgrige. I used the now no longer availaible Shure ones. Then I learned about Ortofon 2M line. I got myself the 2M Blue. Then I upgraded to the Bronze one wich required to upgrage the cardrige. Then I upgraded to the 2M Black stylus as the 2M Bronze and Black share the same cardrige. Now I upgraded to the 2M Black LVB 250 and my impression on that one it's another world of music. Okay it's expensive but it worth it otherwise to acheive the performance of that stylus that can be used on the 2M Black or Bronze is phenomenal with a near perfect sterephonic separation and to acheive that you would need a Moving Coil cardrige but for a Moving Magnet one with the LVB 250 stylus it's maybe expensive but to acheive that a Moving Coil cardrige is more expensive and you would need a special preamp on top.
I strongly recommend Audio-Technica AT-LPW50PB. Outstanding turntable, accurate, upgradable, nice design, silent.
I don't know a lot about that model - I will check into it.
You should really look at the audio technical LP 1240. For $500, maybe more now, it's an excellent choice. Big up grade from the 120 that you mentioned.
Technics SL 1200 would be my recommendation. Built like a tank, tons of parts available and many available on the used market.
Great video. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but I really believe when you buy any audio component you get what you pay for. If you spend $100 or $200 you will get something made out of plastic and made very cheaply. I would choose either a Dual CS 429 or a Technics 1200G
Absolutely - my intention was to include options at different budgets.
Rega would be a better option than all of these save the Pro-Ject. Not sure why it only merited a 2 second mention at the end.
Just personal preference, as noted. Regas are fine turntables, but I haven't spent a ton of time with them.
Awesome Video Frank & just in case you don't make & release anymore Videos before Christmas then I just wanted to say ...
MERRY ( early ) CHRISTMAS FRANK
🎅🏻🤶🏻🎄⛄️❄️
I have a Music Hall USB-1 turntable connected to a 7.2 Yamaha RX-A2A A/V receiver with a 7.1 Klipsch 7.1 speaker system with Klipsch R-800 F being the main front speakers! Someday I will upgrade my turntable. And sometime after Christmas I've got to order me a new T-shirt from you! The one I ordered from you about two years ago the logo has peeled away. I guess from washing it in my washing machine! IDK! But I need a new T-shirt!
None of these as I could see handle 78's. Do you have any recommendations for some that do? (PS - nice to see Canadian $)
A couple years ago I got a project rpm one carbon love the performance and the looks
Still spinning my Technics SL-D2 from the 80’s. Replaced the cartridge a couple of times and the mat once. Can’t think of a reason to replace it.
Where was Discogs 55 years ago when I started collecting? 🤣
I have retro equipment, but I also have a Fluance RT85 with upgraded Blue Ortofon. Not disappointed so far. 👍
+1 on the U-Turn Theory
Using a Rig B 540ML cartridge
Dollar for dollar and pound for pound, I like the AT 120-USB. I bought this during the pandemic and have enjoyed it immensely.
I don't think built in phono preamps are necessary in turntables above the entry level, the money saved could be used to improve the overall quality. I love the auto return at the end of the music though. I also like non built in cables so they can be switched/upgraded if/when necessary. Unfortunately this was not the case in the old days. I have no use for blue tooth and other digital connections. I am also a direct drive guy, even though I cannot prove it, I believe it keeps the speed more accurate than a thin rubber belt spinning 1,000's of times. I am still looking, on and off, to replace my Technics SL-D2 bought new in 1980 and still looking and playing as new and never serviced. What I would like is just a TT with classic looks, direct drive, no digital connections and no phono preamp but with auto return. Not much out there to fit my "wants" and, of course, I would never even consider anything Made in China.
Thanks for the info on Discogs, I will start today.
Merry Christmas to all.
If you want great turntables with many bells and whistles for djing or just to hear the vinyl and don’t mind spending some money on them I recommend
Pioneer crss
Reloops 8000
Or getting a used pair of technics 1200
You can feel the quality and the torque on all 3
Any basic Audio Technica with Bluetooth will do me.
If I was asked, I'd say choose one of Frank's more expensive choices. The cheaper phonos, plastic & built in China or Taiwan, sound OK but there's no "cool factor." If you want to play records you already own, I'm sure cheap models are adequate but you won't uncover any nuances in familiar LPs. If you're just discovering physical media & want to build a library, I'd consider either a $300-ish CD player or else save up your change for a nicer turntable. An exception might be the U-Turn phonos built in New England. Of course "cool" is in the eye of, well you know 😎!
I have a Lenco LS 500, it is german one and it is also great for vinly beginners. Greeting from Holland
i love my AT 120. not a big time record collector and the sound is just fine for me !
It's a solid machine.
I had a RT 85.... didn't care for it....bought Pro-Ject carbon evo...when i bought it it was $499...US dollars...have upgraded to a Moonstone and acrylic platter
Is Frank moving what were his most interesting videos over to his paid membership channel? Or am I just getting behind?
1:11 you can't upgrade the cartridge on LP60
For my AT-LPGO BT (Walmart LP60XBT), I just purchased an ATN-3600LE. This is their new bonded elliptical stylus cartridge. I have not installed it, yet or compared it to the old 3600 conical. But hopefully it will improve the sound a bit.
UPDATE: After installing the new cartridge, I thought maybe it sounds a little fuller. My mother was listening upstairs through the Bluetooth speaker. She thought it sounded clearer.
My local hifi shop has just stopped stocking Technics decks, the guy told me no one was buying them after trialing them against the Rega's they also stock.
I guess I'm a dinosaur because I like my turntables to be fully automatic. I have the Audio Technica LP-60 and upgraded the stylus to the LP Gear CARBON FIDELITY CFN3600LE stylus. It sounds amazing for the price.
Oh yeah…after a lifetime of manual turntables I finally decided to get a fully automatic one. So I got a Denon dp-300f, I upgraded the cartridge to a Denon dl110 high output mc. The turntable runs thru a Rega brio amp and Fluance reference floor standing speakers, the sound is outstanding !!
Pioneer PLX1000 for $750 and the Goldring E3 cartridge for $100. This is the point of diminishing returns. You can only get five percent better sound than this for any amount of $$$.
Music hall mmf 5 is a great deck.Also a used technics 1200 can be had between 4 and 700 and is worth every penny.
I have the lp60 and the fluance rt81 and love both of them.
Yes!, I've had my RT81 for about 6-8 months now and love it, no issues at all so far 👍.
Still can't recommend the AT 120USBX enough. Still love mine.
Hey Frank! Whats that fishing lure looking thingy hanging off the ass end of some tone arms?
It’s the anti-skating weight. The wire has a small weight attached to it, to prevent the stylus (needle) from skating across the record.
@@JasonGS919 Not sure how that works but then I'm not an engineer.
Do they not sell the LP-70X series in Canada?
I'm sure they do.
It is available here in Canada, both at Best buy and Amazon.
Might not matter to some, but for me Audio Technica lacks in customer service.
Just sold my AT out of frustration from never getting a response, or getting a canned one, and purchased my 2nd Fluance. They are customer driven and that does it for me.
I made an insurance for my collection and indeed, I used discogs to evaluate of the value of the collection!
One turntable that is criminally overlooked and is superior to all it's counterparts in nearly every measure the *Audio* *Technica* *LP7*
Couldn't be happier with my 1998 Technics sl 1200 MK5 paired with ortofon lvb 250 cartridge mounted in sumiko head shell and run through project tube box s phono preamp with audioquest interconnects.
7:50 The SL-100C is the same as the 1500C, but without the internal preamp. It's only available in black though.
However, a second Technics is missing on this list: the SL-1200G. It's a true endgame turntable IME.
While the SL-1200MK2 is built like a tank, the SL-1200G is built like a tank destroyer.
Tank destroyer - LOVE the sound of that!
@@Channel33RPM Haha yeah, it's really massive and solid, but precise nevertheless.
I highly recommend getting one!
Still only like Phase Linier . Except I'm not sure how to spell Linier . Those track how vinyl records were cut . Could be wrong, but worth looking into .
If you didn’t want the preamp why didn’t you buy the Technics SL-100C instead of the 1500 and use the money saved for a better cartridge?
Is techneecs the same as technics here in Europe?
Don't get me started on that ... When I say Tech-neeks, half the world tells me I'm wrong, when I say Tek-niks, the other half of the world tells me I'm wrong, lol.
@ If your Japanese born and bred I suppose you would pronounce it tek-uu-neeks but since I’m English and we invented the language then I’d pronounce technics as it is spelled. Just saying as I find it really wanky when people say it like you do. It’s like when the English try and speak french with a french accent 😂
Anyone have thoughts on Bluetooth turntables? I’ve been considering getting one just for the hell of it.
Technics 1200's are my favorite
I was very disappointed with the Audio Technica LP 120XUSB when I purchased one earlier this year and quickly returned it for a refund. I noticed immediately that it would emitted a “rumbling” sound when playing a record on it! I tried a couple of different records and ensured that the platter was secured properly and it was still noisy. Terrible! Walter
The Audio Technica is light. Sure that is an issue but easily solved. Place a granite slab underneath and your TT is coupled to some serious mass. Can't afford the granite? again no problem, just reclaim your grandfather's headstone.
For around the same price or less than the at60 you can find a good used vintage tt that will likely be better quality. My recommended used tt of choice is the technics sl-d2.
So many great used and vintage turntables out there.
yes, D2 great table. had one but sold, regretted that move. have D3 now.
frank you should do a video on some crazy expensive turntables just for fun
I'd love to - but those are difficult to get my hands on to try out...
@@Channel33RPM just show what people what kinda crazy stuff is out thereyou dont have to have them in hand .thought it would make for a good episode idea !
I would pit the 1500C against the new offering from AT the lp8x
Pioneer PLX-1000 all the way beating Technics that are 3 x more in coin. DJ or audiophile use as the superior insulation of the arm will give less interference. Direct drive with optical speed control. Very heavy construction all metal to keep it stable. It is the best Hanpin turntable.
Most of my collection doesn't have such a thing called a bar code.
Frank, the Audio Technica LP60 has been replaced by the LP70!
I got two 1200s that are 30 years old and neither of them are going to die anytime soon