@@79marchewa there's no need to NOT translate "wzór" to "mark" (in this case), really. It's like Ian was trying to say "karabinek" instead of just "the gun".
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Since the US had no true replacement for the BAR at the time. And the M-14A2 left as fast as it arrived. An individual with a M-16 in the squad who had the bipod became the impromptu "SAW" gunner.
@@bungholio1586 they were also pretty new to the whole assault rifle doctrine and still used to one poor smuck being the designated suppressing fire guy. The US was really slow to their thinking to the new gun
The folding stock is solid when open or closed. No play. It just isn’t comfortable shooting. Your cheek is hovering above the wire stock when looking down the sights. I tried to come up with some kind of cheek rest for the stock. I decided to sell it before finished making a useable fix. Very compact when folded. Low recoil. Not a lot of different styles of ammo available back then. then.
@@colemanmoore9871 I left that to the next owner to do. I one reason I bought it was because of the folding stock. If I wanted a fixed stock rifle I would have bought that. I profited 100 bucks on the sale. I’m not complaining
Doesn't matter what firearm it is, it's always a joy to watch Ian shooting. Especially as I'm a leftie too, and that just naturally makes everything more awesome! :D
Ian knows how to make a shooting video, no long sponsor messages no talking for 4 minutes with guest, just a dude with a gun giving basic info and making it go pew. Love you Ian.
Only thing missing: trying to stop a 3 round burst and then going back to 3 rounds to showcase the burst mechanism. Would be nice to see one with an adjustable stock and cheek piece.
Burst fire prevents panic mag dumping. It forces soldiers to reset during an emergency, if they have to let off on the trigger to fire again they will also redo their targeting while if they can hold it down and keep firing they will lose targeting. Not every soldier is battle hardened and wont panic ever, many can and will if their position is close to being overrun. That's when they might forget to control their fire rate and dump the mag in a panic.
I agree. I've always said to anyone who asks that burst fire is good for people with less practice/training. Though, if someone has the skill and experience for it, full-auto can be better.
@@Horseshoecrabwarrior I agree that full auto is better, use what you need and if that's more than three you have the option. But that's not the average wartime soldier, trained to be "good enough" then sent to the front is what bust is for. The gun controls the rate of fire because the soldier is more likely not trained enough to be competent at it, quicker to train them the basics and let the gun limit fire, and they might panic and mag dump into nothing.
Glad that you pointed out that while burst fire isn't really sensical for someone with a lot of experience, it has its purpose when making a military rifle meant to equip an entire army. Soldiers aren't marksmen or even trained to be excellent shots by sport shooting standards, they have a lot of other goals and things to do in a firefight than just get good sight pictures and get good shot groups.
My Father who was in the army using Tantals in 1980s said 80% of weapon practice were conducted without any ammo, shooting "dry", and making sounds yourself for better immersion ;- . Communist block countries in that time maintained a huge conscripted armies, but had little founds to actualy supply them all.
@@Angmir I hope you ment that as a figure of speech, yes it was very underfunded which made it dangerous to be in the army "your life". But training had live ammo.
If I remember correctly usual day on shooting range was with 20 rounds in total, some training with single fire some with 3 rounds burts. However on assemble on proving grounds we were sporting 60-90 rounds per training day and it was a lot of fun. Usual targets were MG crew at 200 meters, standing gut at 200 metres and same guy at 300 metres, dispersion from 3 ruonds busts at latter one was around 2 metres.
Polish army was mainly conscript based at the time so that might explain the simplification and 3-round burst option. They had one year to train all the conscripts.
For me, that stock is better than the underfolders. I've never fired the Polish one but I have the very similar East German one. The only difference I could see was the folding release being a button on the East German version. Great video, John
I have one of these rifles. I purchased it 14 years ago. I added a magpul folding stock and other Midwest industries parts. Still have the original stock and parts it came with.
While i was in poland with thr army, i cross trained with the Romanians. They have a similar rifle called the PA md. 86. Its similar in that it has a 3 rd burst option, 5.45, and has the same stock. The main difference is rhat the PA md. 86 had a traditional selector switch instead of a selector on both sides. The bottom option is 3 rd burst. The idea is that when reacting to contact, you woul conserve ammo better than with full auto, but more volume of fire than semi. Automatic fire was very smooth. In fact, I'd say it's smoother on auto than the M4 is.
For all sorts of good reasons full auto isn't ideal for service conditions, but sometimes... I think the happy medium is the three rd burst, having said that good old semi-auto is the way you will use your weapon, about 90% of the time, for the other 10%, three rd burst will give you full auto fire that doesn't climb into the sky, conserve ammo better, & be appreciably more accurate.
Full auto is for when you DON’T have a sight picture on a target but an area that you need to suppress and a machine gunner is not available. That or a bunch of enemy clumped together at close range (ambush on a column, a soft skin vehicle,enfilade fire down a trench). If you have a clearly visible exposed target semi-auto is the way at any range
Just a note about the stock. If you aren't a purist, and you have the means, welding a length of steel round stock that's cut and bent to fit the stock can give you a nice cheek rest that won't look too out of place. If you live someplace with an actual winter season, might be a good idea to wrap it with something to spare you the possibility of touching your face to sub-freezing steel.
The burst feature is not there for improperly trained soldiers. On a range, on a nice sunny day, it is indeed easy (and fun) to control a fully automatic rifle. However, in the tropics, on a hot day, with high humidity, with full kit, with bullets and IDF coming from one side, communication and coordination from the other, it is not as easy. Brain capacity is limited. The burst option relieves some of it. Thank you for another great video.
Very interesting ak variant, until yesterday I didn't know that Poland had its own proprietary variants of the AK family. Always love to learn new stuff 👍
Yep. They Beryl was a retrofit of the Tantal's core design, with features to adapt to NATO specs. They replaced the wire stock with a FAL paratrooper-style side folder, then later a fixed collapsible. They also added a bullet guide for 5.56, a full-length dogleg picatinny rail that's co-witnessed to the the irons, and translucent polymer mags.
The burst is a good feature for troops firing as a unit when their belt-fed, high rate of fire weapons are chugging along on full auto. You're going to have a better suppressive effect, which is important in maneuver warfare, and it will make it harder to pick out weapons squads/teams from rifle squads. Giving the enemy less intel is important. At range most belt-fed and mag fed weapons have a better effect when used in semi-auto, but within 100 yards, bursts are best.
I actually prefer a 2 round burst concept. It gives me the ability to more than double my rate of fire in an ambush, but close enough to semi auto that I can use it like "double tap".
@@member5488 an94 takes 2 round burst and adds the rocket science mechanism to it, which was perhaps a bit excessively complex. You can also just do 2 round burst with no fancy mechanisms. The AK12 does this, for example.
Ian hates the short stock. Me, who runs my AR stock in position 2: yeah, I dont know what "too short" means. Sounds like a problem for someone over 5'6".
The Russian combat style is very squared up to the target, instead of blading in the marksman standing style. Modern competition shooting has done something similar, especially when wearing a plate carrier. I have to square up when I use my XM177E2.
Ian... You should try doing 2 or 3 round bursts on FULL AUTO when it's -32 below, your wearing thick gloves yet your fingers are frozen to the bone. You might actually come around and appreciate the 3 round burst a little more. Love all your videos and the all the knowledge you share with us.
5:01 I believe Soviets considered two-round burst a primary method of firing AK74. It's pretty easy to cut just two when the gun shoots at 600-650rpm like AK74 does.
And maybe Glauberyt Machine Pistol. Also maybe he's gonna get the more developed M2 or M3 variant of Grot/MSBS which will be a lot more suitable for review since the rifle was going through it's baby stage.
3 round burst makes a lot of sense with this gun when it comes to simplifying training - at the time of Tantal, the bulk of the Polish army would be made out of people from mandatory conscription, so heavy training was really out of question for them
Imagine if czechs, finns, poles and russians had an equal input to design AKM replacement? Good ergonomics, 3 round burst, better mounts for optics and grenade launchers, ability to use rifle grenades. And especially no export restrictions. P.S.: add romanian forward grip?
Russians did design a good AKM replacement. It solved the problems this Tantal project also solved independently. Such as a good stock (AK-74M folding stock is really great), a simple disassembly button stop for grenade shooting, a perfected muzzle brake (which frankly seems not so well copied on the Tantal), nice impact-resistant furniture with rails (and a thermal sleeve in the handguard which Tantal doesn't have, and which really helps even with fast semi shooting), an optional rubber butt for the stock... Basically all except the 3-round burst which is a contentious addition regardless of country - even people who add it mostly go back and forth on it. Rifle grenades are a fair consideration, but they are only needed if one uses them, which is, well, only a few countries that do so traditionally. Full cover railification wasn't really tackled by any of the nations you listed, except Russians again who finally got around to making the 200 series upgrade and the AK-12/15.
Perhaps it's a common occurrence that I've never noticed before but I was surprised to see the mechanical deformation of the barrel from its tip back almost to the hand guard during the slow motion filming. The barrel looked almost 'whip-like' in it's motion. Was it caused by the deflection or change of direction of the expelled 'gas' as it enters the gas tube? There was also movement front-to-back in the magazine. Laws of physics apply to everything in the world but this video really brought the 'laws' into focus. Nice video!
Every barrel has some level of "flex" when fired. That's the reason for the huge barrels on precision target rifles and pistols. Geoff Who has a 5.5 inch Bull Barrel target pistol in .22 LR.
In my opinion semi auto training is best in professional army and three round burst is best in conscript army. Warsaw pact Poland was mandatory conscription army so this was best choice. Now we have professional army and Beryl (5.56 AK we use now) only has semi and full auto.
Meanwhile in Finland: "Only aimed single shots, punishment if someone shoots on full auto!" but they still just had to put in the full auto option. I forget if the channel ever had AN94 shooting range, but it's a beautiful rifle and I would love to see the special 2-round burst.
Funny thing is that with how 3 round burst is achieved(shown in previous video), it should be really easy to convert it to 2 round burst. And then add proper stock:D
Polish Army was conscripted until 2009. Every man after 18 birthday (there was exceptions, like continue to study, illness or disability) had to serve in army at least 2 years (1 year in nineteens). That's why most of old Warsaw Pact equipment was easy to learn how to use.
I suppose the argument for 3 round burst is that practice on the range does not necessarily equal results in the field when under stress. Accidentally squeezing off a 3 round burst in a moment of panic is going to be less likely to cause problems than accidentally going full auto, nobody wants a wounded soldier squeezing the trigger and dumping the mag into his squad mates as he goes down.
If done propperly like this, i love 3 round burst! Its the perfect blend between full auto and semi auto! I also disagree that Semi is allways the best. AR-15 With optics you can almost fire as fast on semi as it goes on full auto, with AK iron sights and stiffer triggers, shooting semi auto accurately takes longer and is imo much harder to train. its like giving a beginner a .44 magnum compared to a .22
Three rounds is the optimal number to ensure a target is knocked down for a short cartridge round - which is why it is the common burst quantity. While it only needs one bullet to hit a vital organ/head to kill an enemy, this needs luck or a lot of training to achieve, and sometimes a non fatal wound does not stop a motivated individual. Two or three rounds impacting the target will impart sufficient energy to neutralise the enemy. Quite simply, a three round burst into an enemy guarantees the kill.
3:00 I can agree with that stance however I'm a really big fan of guns where the burst is at a much higher rpm, for example the an94, where a limited burst is far more useful than the standard neutered full auto
Do you know how the Beryl stock is in terms of comfort/ergonomics? Most people I've spoken too really like the top rail system, but I haven't much about the furniture.
@@copperlemon1 Unfortunately no. I used to have friends who were in military and did used Beryls, but over the time I lost contact with those people. And like you, I don't think I ever asked them about the furniture.
2:53 I have no experience with 3 round bursts, and I have an irrational dislike for them. I should reconsider it. When would you use full auto beyond 3 round bursts? Couldn’t you train with 3 round bursts and keep a fairly constant rate of fire? If you practiced with that burst/impulse/sight picture consistently, I’d imagine you’d get pretty good with it. I’d be curious to see a match with full autos vs 3 round burst and see what competitors choose.
To be honest, divorcing the ak fire selector from safety is a great idea, since on most AKs I shot (ok, to be fair they were mostly old club-stocked AKMs, not exaclty what you'd call mint condition) the selector lever is a piece of sh*t that's super hard to put in the middle, so I'd juggle it between safe and semi, and only get it on full maybe 1/4th of the time I actually wanted to
@@MegaZeta it's a problem with THE AK as Rigel mentioned in his comment and I can confirm it. You get what they give if you're serving. Getting a "mint" condition one is completely out of your choice.
If they were too stiff, you can just take the cover off, rotate it up, and bend it away slightly, so it moves with very little effort. It's just a sheet metal part that scrapes on the receiver. Users mostly set it up so it can be flicked with a finger but still engages with the depressions well.
i like the new trend of shooting after the overview vid
He's always done it, if they let him shoot the firearm that is.
Where have you been
It used to be the standard until covid ammo prices
Its like with food reviews, after talking about what exactly you have on plate you starting eating it and then saying how good it is.
It ain't new 😅
"... but we'll go back to full auto *for you guys*". Selfless Ian, selfless. Great video as ever!
The hero we need...
"...And He, in His everlasting glory, went full auto for our sins..."
@@thegavelissoundgavel9849 I thought you said the hero with weed. It’s the hair lol
@@P-C-Principle I could see a guy who looks like Ian riding his BMX bike around town with a backpack full of dope🤣🤣🤣
@@thegavelissoundgavel9849 oh yea, if that’s the case then I see Ian everyday on his trick bike!
Ah, so the 1-round burst is the mythical "fully semiautomatic" I've been hearing so much about.
Very advanced mode.
_X to doubt_
Ian loves Czech nomenclature so much, he can't stop pronouncing everything Vzor
To be honest vzor is a very cool term alot better then most wepon designations
Ian could simply say "mark eighty-eight", the meaning is the same as "wz. 88" (in this particular case).
@@beholder2012
Polish "closed u" in proper "wzór" is near impossible to pronounce correctly for non Slavs. So let's give Ian A for effort.
@@79marchewa there's no need to NOT translate "wzór" to "mark" (in this case), really. It's like Ian was trying to say "karabinek" instead of just "the gun".
@@79marchewa there is no difference between u and ó though. You pronouce it the same. Unless I am missing something, but considering I am polish....
In Polish it is not „vzor” but more like „vzoor” (per analogy to “school”).
in english it would be something inbetween type and model
door but with zoo in front
Or wzur where "u" you say like caricatural French :D
Try pronoucing my last name "Dziki".
@@Pprokop87 "Wzor" mean Pattern in Polish, "wz." is short of "Wzor"
I can't believe Ian forgot to mention the crappy bipod they had for this
M-16 style bipod ;)
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Since the US had no true replacement for the BAR at the time. And the M-14A2 left as fast as it arrived. An individual with a M-16 in the squad who had the bipod became the impromptu "SAW" gunner.
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine right, but make do with what you got, especially at the time. Not defending that bipod but I can see the idea.
Shush! Nice gun, no need to ruin the picture. :D
@@bungholio1586 they were also pretty new to the whole assault rifle doctrine and still used to one poor smuck being the designated suppressing fire guy. The US was really slow to their thinking to the new gun
The folding stock is solid when open or closed. No play. It just isn’t comfortable shooting. Your cheek is hovering above the wire stock when looking down the sights. I tried to come up with some kind of cheek rest for the stock. I decided to sell it before finished making a useable fix. Very compact when folded. Low recoil. Not a lot of different styles of ammo available back then. then.
And, really all you had to do was grab a standard fixed stock and swap them out.
@@colemanmoore9871 I left that to the next owner to do. I one reason I bought it was because of the folding stock. If I wanted a fixed stock rifle I would have bought that. I profited 100 bucks on the sale. I’m not complaining
Doesn't matter what firearm it is, it's always a joy to watch Ian shooting. Especially as I'm a leftie too, and that just naturally makes everything more awesome! :D
Me too man.
Ian knows how to make a shooting video, no long sponsor messages no talking for 4 minutes with guest, just a dude with a gun giving basic info and making it go pew.
Love you Ian.
Polish firearms really don’t get enough appreciation. Great video!
Only thing missing: trying to stop a 3 round burst and then going back to 3 rounds to showcase the burst mechanism.
Would be nice to see one with an adjustable stock and cheek piece.
Burst fire prevents panic mag dumping. It forces soldiers to reset during an emergency, if they have to let off on the trigger to fire again they will also redo their targeting while if they can hold it down and keep firing they will lose targeting. Not every soldier is battle hardened and wont panic ever, many can and will if their position is close to being overrun. That's when they might forget to control their fire rate and dump the mag in a panic.
I agree. I've always said to anyone who asks that burst fire is good for people with less practice/training. Though, if someone has the skill and experience for it, full-auto can be better.
@@Horseshoecrabwarrior I agree that full auto is better, use what you need and if that's more than three you have the option. But that's not the average wartime soldier, trained to be "good enough" then sent to the front is what bust is for. The gun controls the rate of fire because the soldier is more likely not trained enough to be competent at it, quicker to train them the basics and let the gun limit fire, and they might panic and mag dump into nothing.
Glad that you pointed out that while burst fire isn't really sensical for someone with a lot of experience, it has its purpose when making a military rifle meant to equip an entire army. Soldiers aren't marksmen or even trained to be excellent shots by sport shooting standards, they have a lot of other goals and things to do in a firefight than just get good sight pictures and get good shot groups.
My Polish heart is pounding with proud watching Ian shooting the polish AK.
Thank you Gun Jesus 😁
But isnt Brandon the gun Jesus ?
Three round burst is for training soldier with only 60 rounds!
My Father who was in the army using Tantals in 1980s said 80% of weapon practice were conducted without any ammo, shooting "dry", and making sounds yourself for better immersion ;- .
Communist block countries in that time maintained a huge conscripted armies, but had little founds to actualy supply them all.
@@Angmir I hope you ment that as a figure of speech, yes it was very underfunded which made it dangerous to be in the army "your life". But training had live ammo.
If I remember correctly usual day on shooting range was with 20 rounds in total, some training with single fire some with 3 rounds burts. However on assemble on proving grounds we were sporting 60-90 rounds per training day and it was a lot of fun. Usual targets were MG crew at 200 meters, standing gut at 200 metres and same guy at 300 metres, dispersion from 3 ruonds busts at latter one was around 2 metres.
@@peopleslayer12333 lol no, plenty of even modern countries do training without ammo.
@@Angmir it's "funds", not "founds"
I'm loving these 2 part videos with the follow up at the range, brilliant!
Polish army was mainly conscript based at the time so that might explain the simplification and 3-round burst option. They had one year to train all the conscripts.
For me, that stock is better than the underfolders. I've never fired the Polish one but I have the very similar East German one. The only difference I could see was the folding release being a button on the East German version.
Great video, John
Side folders are the way to go, the underfolder are just bad.
But underfolders looks cooler ;)
@@ahistoryrelic9736 No
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine not any more compact that a side folder.....?
@@DeathMetalSon underfolder aks are the coolest looking aks imo
I have one of these rifles. I purchased it 14 years ago. I added a magpul folding stock and other Midwest industries parts. Still have the original stock and parts it came with.
While i was in poland with thr army, i cross trained with the Romanians. They have a similar rifle called the PA md. 86.
Its similar in that it has a 3 rd burst option, 5.45, and has the same stock.
The main difference is rhat the PA md. 86 had a traditional selector switch instead of a selector on both sides. The bottom option is 3 rd burst. The idea is that when reacting to contact, you woul conserve ammo better than with full auto, but more volume of fire than semi.
Automatic fire was very smooth. In fact, I'd say it's smoother on auto than the M4 is.
“Let’s star off on semi”
I’m always on semi when a new forgotten weapons gets uploaded.
at 4:22 you can hear the gun charging the secret polish death laser
My first AK was an Interarms Tantal and it's one of few guns I regret trading off.
One thing I love about these “at the range” videos is to illustrate (to us non gun owners/users) is how quick you go through a 30 round mag.
Excellent video as always, thanks Ian
Thank you for uploading this so early I'm running a two gun match today and I was afraid I'd miss it.
“It’s short, uncomfortable, and ick” Best quote today😀
4:29 "overall, Tantal very pleasant gun to shoot" ._.
@Brian Sad, but true. :(
@Brian hung like a hockey puck
Amazing to see how the whole gun flexes in slow motion. You wouldn't think it would bend like that, but it does.
For all sorts of good reasons full auto isn't ideal for service conditions, but sometimes...
I think the happy medium is the three rd burst, having said that good old semi-auto is the way you will use your weapon, about 90% of the time, for the other 10%, three rd burst will give you full auto fire that doesn't climb into the sky, conserve ammo better, & be appreciably more accurate.
Full auto is for when you DON’T have a sight picture on a target but an area that you need to suppress and a machine gunner is not available. That or a bunch of enemy clumped together at close range (ambush on a column, a soft skin vehicle,enfilade fire down a trench). If you have a clearly visible exposed target semi-auto is the way at any range
Except maybe building clearing.
Sweet, Tantals are pretty cool.
You are so lucky to be able to fire all of the diverse weapons that you do. Love your stuff Ian.👍👍
Just a note about the stock. If you aren't a purist, and you have the means, welding a length of steel round stock that's cut and bent to fit the stock can give you a nice cheek rest that won't look too out of place. If you live someplace with an actual winter season, might be a good idea to wrap it with something to spare you the possibility of touching your face to sub-freezing steel.
Seems like the Arizonan heat would make a metal cheek piece just as suboptimal as winter!
@@davidgillon2762 You're absolutely right about that.
You seriously have the best job...unless you pay for the ammunition out of your own pocket. ^^"
He does. Thats why his patrons on patreon are so important
Thanks to Bud's Gun Shop!
@@internetexplorer1057 "Ya know we thank Bud's and the SDI - the Sonoran Desert Institute for all their support, giving us this fiiine ammo to fire.."
@@fimmywa I can partically hear Hickok45 in my head from this.
Good thing 5.45 is unappreciated in the american market and is available for much less than 9x19, .223 and 5.56.
That was probably the neatest sounding ricochet
The burst feature is not there for improperly trained soldiers.
On a range, on a nice sunny day, it is indeed easy (and fun) to control a fully automatic rifle. However, in the tropics, on a hot day, with high humidity, with full kit, with bullets and IDF coming from one side, communication and coordination from the other, it is not as easy.
Brain capacity is limited. The burst option relieves some of it.
Thank you for another great video.
Have one of these in semi-auto. Swapped out the wire stock for a wood one, making it much more fun to shoot.
I hope the bigfoot hunters don't get their hands on these
Thank you for wearing your mask gentle Sasquatch
You'll be fine. 5.45 isn't enough to kill a bigfoot. You need atleast a .308
Very interesting ak variant, until yesterday I didn't know that Poland had its own proprietary variants of the AK family. Always love to learn new stuff 👍
Check on Beryl mate.
"in therory if you have one you could swap it out...." *NYET rifle is fine intensifies* "even though that's not technically correct"
The first thing Polish tankers did was taking the stock and throwing it out of the window (or a hatch in some cases.)
Forgot the most important part: biała kiełbasa as essential tactical snack. 👍
I check my dipstick - you need lubrication, honey.
Kaszanka is also an option :D
you could have a bandolier of pierogies
*pierogi
Lol I just saw your other Tantal video. I just went and looked it up on UA-cam, and now I'm here. On a video which was posted 5 minutes ago. Nice.
"Back to full auto" Shoots in 2 round bursts. Love ya fam XD
As far as I am concerned, the Tantal was the predecessor of Beryl?
Yep. They Beryl was a retrofit of the Tantal's core design, with features to adapt to NATO specs. They replaced the wire stock with a FAL paratrooper-style side folder, then later a fixed collapsible. They also added a bullet guide for 5.56, a full-length dogleg picatinny rail that's co-witnessed to the the irons, and translucent polymer mags.
@@Anino_Makata so its still based on the AK family right?
@@aljaz7426 Yes
@@aljaz7426 Yes, the drive train system is still AK. But like the Tantal, the Beryl's system is closer to the AKM than the AK 74.
Yes, the Beryl is basically just a Tantal in 5.56 (since Poland joined NATO) and with a much better stock.
There's just something about how he moves his hair that is just mesmerizing...
Leftie quirks
gay
The burst is a good feature for troops firing as a unit when their belt-fed, high rate of fire weapons are chugging along on full auto. You're going to have a better suppressive effect, which is important in maneuver warfare, and it will make it harder to pick out weapons squads/teams from rifle squads. Giving the enemy less intel is important. At range most belt-fed and mag fed weapons have a better effect when used in semi-auto, but within 100 yards, bursts are best.
I actually prefer a 2 round burst concept. It gives me the ability to more than double my rate of fire in an ambush, but close enough to semi auto that I can use it like "double tap".
lol it is a 2x tap, check the G36K
AN-94 then?
like these guys said, G-36 and AN-94 are 2 of my favorite weapons with 2-Round burst.
@@member5488 an94 takes 2 round burst and adds the rocket science mechanism to it, which was perhaps a bit excessively complex. You can also just do 2 round burst with no fancy mechanisms. The AK12 does this, for example.
@@MegaZeta i've always wonder about these scenarios
Big fan of the Tantal and all Polish made AKs
That dust speck kept making me want to clean my screen.
That aside, another excellent video.
This is why I hate mobile UA-cam notifications, I've already watched this video and 6 days after this video came out I got the notification for it
I built one from a $189.00 parts kit twenty years ago, nice rifle.
Ian hates the short stock.
Me, who runs my AR stock in position 2: yeah, I dont know what "too short" means. Sounds like a problem for someone over 5'6".
The Russian combat style is very squared up to the target, instead of blading in the marksman standing style.
Modern competition shooting has done something similar, especially when wearing a plate carrier.
I have to square up when I use my XM177E2.
very nice weapon with original innovations
Best wishes from Poland Ian!
Ian... You should try doing 2 or 3 round bursts on FULL AUTO when it's -32 below, your wearing thick gloves yet your fingers are frozen to the bone. You might actually come around and appreciate the 3 round burst a little more.
Love all your videos and the all the knowledge you share with us.
Good morning Ian, It’s a beautiful day today. Thanks for the smiles 😁
5:01 I believe Soviets considered two-round burst a primary method of firing AK74. It's pretty easy to cut just two when the gun shoots at 600-650rpm like AK74 does.
any chances you get your hands on Grot/MSBS rifle? would love to see that.
he played with one at Shot Show, but didn't review it.
And maybe Glauberyt Machine Pistol. Also maybe he's gonna get the more developed M2 or M3 variant of Grot/MSBS which will be a lot more suitable for review since the rifle was going through it's baby stage.
Love this overview then shooting video combo. It’s awesome.
3 round burst makes a lot of sense with this gun when it comes to simplifying training - at the time of Tantal, the bulk of the Polish army would be made out of people from mandatory conscription, so heavy training was really out of question for them
this gun's 3 round burst sounds exactly like the M16 in Desert Storm Back To Baghdad. That just brought back some good memories.
Imagine if czechs, finns, poles and russians had an equal input to design AKM replacement? Good ergonomics, 3 round burst, better mounts for optics and grenade launchers, ability to use rifle grenades. And especially no export restrictions.
P.S.: add romanian forward grip?
Poles did that in Iraq, they sometimes replaced that lower cover with the one from Romanian rifles that had a wooden grip.
Imo you would get a confused mess. But who knows maybe you would get something awesome.
Maybe a Finland Czech combo could be good 🤔 ?
Skip the Romanian Dong, put in a "bolt hold open on last round" function.
Russians did design a good AKM replacement. It solved the problems this Tantal project also solved independently. Such as a good stock (AK-74M folding stock is really great), a simple disassembly button stop for grenade shooting, a perfected muzzle brake (which frankly seems not so well copied on the Tantal), nice impact-resistant furniture with rails (and a thermal sleeve in the handguard which Tantal doesn't have, and which really helps even with fast semi shooting), an optional rubber butt for the stock...
Basically all except the 3-round burst which is a contentious addition regardless of country - even people who add it mostly go back and forth on it. Rifle grenades are a fair consideration, but they are only needed if one uses them, which is, well, only a few countries that do so traditionally. Full cover railification wasn't really tackled by any of the nations you listed, except Russians again who finally got around to making the 200 series upgrade and the AK-12/15.
3 round burst Kalashnikov style rifle feels like tech heresy of the highest order
The sound of that ricochet was great
4:22 that was the neatest/strangest thing I’ve heard from a gun
That hat is crispy af. Looking good Ian.
Perhaps it's a common occurrence that I've never noticed before but I was surprised to see the mechanical deformation of the barrel from its tip back almost to the hand guard during the slow motion filming. The barrel looked almost 'whip-like' in it's motion. Was it caused by the deflection or change of direction of the expelled 'gas' as it enters the gas tube? There was also movement front-to-back in the magazine. Laws of physics apply to everything in the world but this video really brought the 'laws' into focus. Nice video!
Every barrel has some level of "flex" when fired. That's the reason for the huge barrels on precision target rifles and pistols. Geoff Who has a 5.5 inch Bull Barrel target pistol in .22 LR.
All barrels flex to some degree.
You should look at the videos of a Romanian PSL's barrel whip!
And that's why in Poland we call this stock a fireplace poker ;)
At 03:28 there's a funky disco picture-in-picture effect.
That “and I’m out” at the end was on cue.
Funny enough my Wasr came with the Tantal wire stock and Tantal came with solid wooden fixed stock.
There's something very therapeutic about listening to GJ and watching Him shoot ... truly, His disciples are blessed ;-)
Full auto = That guy+his mates.
Single shot = That guy.
3 round burst = That guy but with a bit more dakka.
But there is never enough dakka, so that's another mark against 3 round burst. :(
@@ekscalybur Sometimes you can only do a little dakka, gotta take the dakka where you can get it.
Great video and channel.
Greets from Poland :)
In my opinion semi auto training is best in professional army and three round burst is best in conscript army.
Warsaw pact Poland was mandatory conscription army so this was best choice.
Now we have professional army and Beryl (5.56 AK we use now) only has semi and full auto.
Meanwhile in Finland: "Only aimed single shots, punishment if someone shoots on full auto!" but they still just had to put in the full auto option. I forget if the channel ever had AN94 shooting range, but it's a beautiful rifle and I would love to see the special 2-round burst.
Polish Kalashnikov variants are such a treat
Funny thing is that with how 3 round burst is achieved(shown in previous video), it should be really easy to convert it to 2 round burst.
And then add proper stock:D
Polish Army was conscripted until 2009. Every man after 18 birthday (there was exceptions, like continue to study, illness or disability) had to serve in army at least 2 years (1 year in nineteens). That's why most of old Warsaw Pact equipment was easy to learn how to use.
I suppose the argument for 3 round burst is that practice on the range does not necessarily equal results in the field when under stress. Accidentally squeezing off a 3 round burst in a moment of panic is going to be less likely to cause problems than accidentally going full auto, nobody wants a wounded soldier squeezing the trigger and dumping the mag into his squad mates as he goes down.
If done propperly like this, i love 3 round burst! Its the perfect blend between full auto and semi auto!
I also disagree that Semi is allways the best. AR-15 With optics you can almost fire as fast on semi as it goes on full auto, with AK iron sights and stiffer triggers, shooting semi auto accurately takes longer and is imo much harder to train.
its like giving a beginner a .44 magnum compared to a .22
Ian, you flinched on the empty magazines at least twice.
Three rounds is the optimal number to ensure a target is knocked down for a short cartridge round - which is why it is the common burst quantity. While it only needs one bullet to hit a vital organ/head to kill an enemy, this needs luck or a lot of training to achieve, and sometimes a non fatal wound does not stop a motivated individual. Two or three rounds impacting the target will impart sufficient energy to neutralise the enemy. Quite simply, a three round burst into an enemy guarantees the kill.
PM84 Glauberyt- thumb up if you want Ian to review it
3:00 I can agree with that stance however I'm a really big fan of guns where the burst is at a much higher rpm, for example the an94, where a limited burst is far more useful than the standard neutered full auto
Was expecting the rifle grenade to be featured as well, lol.
I didn't realize that you were an Australian undercover in the USA until you said double-u zed 😎😋
Yeah I was curious about that one. UK and Canada also say zed.
Zed is better. Many Yankees pronounce Z like C
he's an honourary Brit... whether he likes that or not
The little differences are interesting
I had to rewind it to make sure he said that. Does anyone call it 'zed' in the US?
Now we can wait for the revenge of Ian against the Tantal, in a attempt of confirm if it can use any AK fixed stock in order to be less unconfortable.
I see Ian has afflicted another with the dreaded wronghandedness.
I prefer the term Sinister Handed.
The 2-shot burst is taught out as the standard way of shooting in the Swedish army. They refer to it as "Jaeger's shot")
So Beryl next?
Polish Army probably had the same idea about the stock as Ian because they redesigned it in Beryl.
Do you know how the Beryl stock is in terms of comfort/ergonomics? Most people I've spoken too really like the top rail system, but I haven't much about the furniture.
@@copperlemon1 Unfortunately no. I used to have friends who were in military and did used Beryls, but over the time I lost contact with those people. And like you, I don't think I ever asked them about the furniture.
He looks at the world declaring: "and I'm out".
Glad to another Polish gun on your channel. I'm Polish so it's obvious why.
Put a good wood stock on that and it would probably be very nice to shoot.
2:53
I have no experience with 3 round bursts, and I have an irrational dislike for them. I should reconsider it.
When would you use full auto beyond 3 round bursts?
Couldn’t you train with 3 round bursts and keep a fairly constant rate of fire?
If you practiced with that burst/impulse/sight picture consistently, I’d imagine you’d get pretty good with it.
I’d be curious to see a match with full autos vs 3 round burst and see what competitors choose.
The first thing I changed on my parts kit Wz88 was the stock. I "modernized" mine for competitions.
P is for Pączki , AKA Jelly Donuts. K is for Kolaczki , jelly filled cookies.
This one definitely has the "stock AK" SFX down pat, it really do sound like an AK rifle
the spots on your camera lenses made me think my phone was dirty 😆
To be honest, divorcing the ak fire selector from safety is a great idea, since on most AKs I shot (ok, to be fair they were mostly old club-stocked AKMs, not exaclty what you'd call mint condition) the selector lever is a piece of sh*t that's super hard to put in the middle, so I'd juggle it between safe and semi, and only get it on full maybe 1/4th of the time I actually wanted to
@@MegaZeta it's a problem with THE AK as Rigel mentioned in his comment and I can confirm it. You get what they give if you're serving. Getting a "mint" condition one is completely out of your choice.
If they were too stiff, you can just take the cover off, rotate it up, and bend it away slightly, so it moves with very little effort. It's just a sheet metal part that scrapes on the receiver. Users mostly set it up so it can be flicked with a finger but still engages with the depressions well.