9:00 Super Saiyan 3 Goku Heavily Suppressed scales below SSJ3 Gotenks & Base Form Gohan. Evidence to support this shows that at the end of toward the conclusion of the battle with Kid Buu. Goku Stacy could’ve easily killed fat boo. That means he was holding back a huge amount of power and we know this is true because if Goku used one fraction More of power, his time would’ve ran out while on earth that’s how powerful SSJ3 is just a fraction of it zaps the time he had left it took a whole 24 hours and it took it down to like Ameer three hours to 30 minutes something like that. So Goku couldn’t be at full power while he faced off against Babu while stalling for time because he went full power his time would’ve been eliminated immediately. And he would’ve returned to other world without having done anything to help out the heroes on earth. Super Saiyan 3 Goku Maximum Power Level scales Above SSJ3 Gotenks & Base Form Gohan. It’s like this Heavily Suppressed SSJ3 Goku can beat Fat Buu no prob. He did not only to buy time for Trunks. Heavily Suppressed SSJ3 Goku is Weaker than Super Buu. However, Suppressed SSJ3 Goku is Stronger than Super Buu + Piccolo. Goku was not scared of this version of Super Buu + Piccolo Far Stronger than Super Buu. Both Goku & Gohan scale above Super Buu + Piccolo. Whereas SSJ3 Gotenks is equal to Super Buu. Manga only.
The word troublesome translates to most difficulty & most annoyance. Most difficulty translates to the most powerful. The one you have the most difficulty with is the most powerful. For whatever reason they didn’t wanna outright say Strongest, they used different words to say the same thing. But many fans who choose to overlook this easily are ignorant to the truth of the matter. The most difficult, means the strongest. Think of a video game when you’re fighting the most difficult boss character you are fighting the strongest boss character. FYI DBZ Kai is official anime canon. Akira Toriyama also stated the manga (DBZ) and the anime DBZ KAI are synonymous. The word synonymous means Of a word or phrase having a similar meaning or the same meaning. This is the greater context that is always missed out on. Synonymous Manga to Anime literally from the mouth of Akira Toriyama. Meaning they should be treated as one singular cannon. Two streams of water flowing in the same direction, until finally they merge into one stream. Goku and Vegeta are not equals. Well I lied. They are equals when Goku is not using his Highest Transformation & his highest power level in that transformation. So when Goku said we can’t beat him like this he is referring to himself and Vegeta at the SSJ2 level for one also Goku is talking about their microscopic size. Being ineffective to do anything versus Buu. Goku stating that he could’ve defeated the fat boob shows that even as an SSJ3 he was holding back or he was heavily heavily suppressed. This should not be a factor that many fans overlook. And the fact that many fans do overlook this shows their ignorance or stupidity. Kid Buu kept on suppressing his power level. Kid Buu at his highest level is equal to Vegeta base form. He’s in that ballpark. That’s why Goku stated he needed fusion just to beat him. Because throughout the fight Kid Buu started off weaker than fat boo that’s why Vegeta was able to deflect his blast. And then throughout the fight he kept slowly raising his power level he never went to his highest level because he loves to fight. He thought Goku he thought Vegeta he thought fat boo and he fight Mr. Satan. All of whom have power levels at extremely different levels. Mr. Satan would be comparable to a rock that blue is comparable to a galaxy Vegeta equal to fat poo not stronger than but equal to that’s why he could not beat him you have to be stronger than a boo to beat that Vegeta would be at the same level. But slightly weaker because boo has an infinity sign on the power level. They never get weaker unless they’re fighting each other. And then Goku would be like the expanse of the universe or multiple universe is as a super Saiyan three. A rock does not have the same power level as the planet does not have the same power level as a galaxy does not have the same power level as the universe. And Kid Buu cycle throughout each and every single one of those phases of power scaling I just explain to you. Showing he was altering his power level even in the manga. That’s why Goku Hass to go to a higher level just to fight him a beat him. But he can’t beat him the only reason why they’re able to fight on a good level it’s because kid was holding back so much power. Unlike Superbook Super Bowls not gonna hold back he’s going to seek to dominate at his high level Chibu enjoys fighting so much so he will lower his power level to just higher than his opponent. This is a call back to the cell arc because this is exactly what Zelda with Goku Goku was never a match for sale. And he knew this but Goku still gave him a great fight because sell meticulously lowered his power level to higher than Goku but close enough to the range with Goku could actually contend with him give him a great fight.
And for the final nail in the coffin the reason why define reason why you’re wrong is because Dragon Ball super manga specifically reference kid was being the strongest further facilitating how strong he was originally in the Buu Arc. DBZ, DBZ KAI, DB Super anime and manga, now DB Daima stated and re-confirmed Goku is the strongest in the universe in direct reference to The Buu Arc.
Who can posible think about Kid buu seeing stronger than, Buutenks. At much is equivalent to super Buu. The end could be "porunga, revive Gohan in the Supreme planet" and Probably one shot buu, that or get absorbed again.
9:07 Kid Buu did not fight Goku evenly. Goku mafe the fight look even, yet Goku kept sayin Kid Buu was still Superior in every way. U weren’t listening to Goku. Goku mentioned Fusion shows how massive Kid Buu is. Bcuz after fighting him, Goku states he needs Fusion just to beat him. Goku and Vegeta thought they had a chance bcuz Kid Buu altering his power level to fool them.
Kid Buu is definitely stronger than goku. But how can you say that Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan when Buutenks himself says that he’s the strongest he’s ever been? On top of that, Vegito was needed to defeat Buuhan and would have been needed to defeat Kid Buu. You can’t scale based off of that. Also, I hate statements like “Goku is the strongest in the universe”. That means nothing. Do you think Supreme Kai would have said “Goku is the strongest in the universe except Buutenks, Buuhan, and Kid Buu”. No. Because he defeated majin buu, he is the current strongest. It’s not like he mentions beerus or anything. It’s just a “strongest” statement, and that’s why I absolutely hate them. So does that mean Goku is stronger than Beerus? It’s so stupid.
@ 1) Buutenks Stated he is The Strongest Majin Buu ever. However, we learn that is Not true bcuz he transforms into Buuhan. Buuhan is The Strongest version of Super Buu, not the Strongest version of Majin Buu. That is why Super Buu exists in 4 different States Of Being. Super Buu, Super Buu (Piccolo Absorbed), Buutenks (SSJ3 Gotenks Absorbed), Buuhan (Gohan Absorbed). 2) The Supreme Kai Shin is only Stronger than Mecha Frieza. That means nothin at this point, since all the Z fighters are Massively, Overwhelmingly & Exceedingly Stronger than Final Form Frieza, Mecha Frieza & SSJ Goku on Namek. This is why even Krillin laughs at Shin’s power level. Implying Krillin is at least Billions of times Stronger than Shin. Piccolo only respected Shin’s Hierarchy, not his power level. Out of respect from realizing Shin is a Divine Being. Due to Kami’s Memory & Status as a God presiding over Earth. No, Shin does not know how Strong Goku & the Z fighters are. That’s why he constantly underestimated The Z fighters while constantly overestimating the fodder villains compared to them. Example are Pui Pui & Yakon. Goku & co are immensely Strong bcuz they fought, survived & surpassed Perfect Cell & Super Perfect Cell. A Villain so Strong, he is at minimum Solar System Level. Shin is a Diety, a Divine Being, but is virtually a weakling compared to any Threat Level that is considered Strong in The Cell Arc Hierarchy. 3) Fat Buu, Grey Buu, Super Buu, Super Buu + Piccolo, Buff Buu, Buutenks, Buuhan, Kid Buu. Kid Buu is Both The Original Majin Buu & The Strongest Majin Buu. Absorbing The Kaioshin weakened him every single time he absorbed a Kaioshin. This detail is discussed by them as well. Kai “Ki” Energy + Majin Magic does causes an adverse reaction. It is worse than oil & vinegar. When Majin Buu absorbs a non Kaioshin fighter, it causes his power level to rise exponentially. There is a big difference. 4) Goku Is The Strongest In The Universe during The Frieza Arc. Gohan Is The Strongest In The Universe during The Cell Arc. Goku Is The Strongest In The Universe during The Buu Arc. Kid Buu was both Nerfed & Heavily Suppressed when he fought SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta & Mr. Satan. When Goku said he needed (Vegito) The Potarra Fusion just beat Kid Buu, He was referring to this Nerfed & Heavily suppressed Kid Buu. Goku & Vegeta did not know they were fighting a Nerfed/ Heavily Suppressed Kid Buu. Goku realized this after he fought Kid Buu as an SSJ2 & as an SSJ3. 5) Fat Buu was inside Kid Buu, Nerfing him from accessing 100% of his Max Power Level. This is why Kid Buu could not kill Mr. Satan. Furthermore, Kid Buu did not need to use his Maximum Power Level to completely Dominate SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta, Fat Buu & Mr. Satan. Fighting all 4 Fighters shows Kid Buu has been altering his power level the whole time. Vegeta thinks Goku is stalling for time to give him a chance to fight Kid Buu. Goku started to say that was originall his intention. But throughout the fight he was forced to go SSJ3. Also showcasing for the very first time he used 100% of his SSJ3. This is the 1st time Goku has used 100% as an SSJ3. Why? Goku’s has been hiding his power level and to measure how strong he has been throughout the entire arc. This is why Goku misleads others to believe he is weaker than he actually is. It is here Goku tells Vegeta Kid Buu has been playin around the whole fight. Not takin it seriously. That is the same thing that happened with SSJ Goku vs Cell. Goku went all out when his opponent was still heavily suppressed. Why? To have a good challenging fight. No matter what he does Goku’s knows at this moment in time Kid Buu is far too powerful. Even Vegeta has multiple statements that that constantly upscale Kid Buu as far too strong. Goku & Vegeta started off “We can definitely Beat him.” Only to end up saying “Your Strong, Stronger than I ever imagined.” - Goku. For Goku to say this let’s give an example, let’s say the level of power equate it to a Galaxy that’s how strong Goku predictive keyboard be. But kid booze strain is now a kin to something like the entire universe. Goku being stronger than galaxy level can obviously handle that level of power but being a strong is the universe is something beyond him completely. That’s Goku saying you’re stronger than I ever imagined. In order to imagine something there is no limit. So that’s essentially what does Goku was saying about Kid Buu. Which is why he talks about Potarra Fusion. Base Form Vegito is Universal Level bare minimum. He is The only Fighter who can handle a Power equal to his own. He also has SSJ, that gives him the unfair advantage to win. Goku is a Fair Fighter, the reason why he chose not to fuse against Kid Buu is for two reasons. 1. Kid Buu is singular Buu, with zero absorptions. Meaning he does not have any added/stolen power to make him stronger. 2. Goku wants to fight a singular Bing one on one to prove he is stronger. Because he fights fairly. He learns that was his greatest mistake because Kid Buu was hiding how strong he was the whole time. 5) Goku collects “ki” energy from all his friends & family. Among them are the Z fighters. Goku stated “ is this all there is?” ” this is nowhere near enough to beat Buu!!!” Translation Goku is saying with all the “ki” Energy I just absorb from my friends and family alone, Kid Buu is far too strong for me to use this thing we’re gonna die we cannot beat him like this. Why is this so very important, there is dialogue in both the manga and the anime of Gohan stating if my dad can’t beat Kid Buu, the earth is going to be destroyed and the universe is going to be destroyed. That is admission of guilt, from Gohan himself, that Goku is far stronger than he himself. After gathering the energy needed from all his friends and family, including all the Z fighters, Goku was desperate to gain more energy. What further validates this is that all of the Z fighters “ki” energy, is literally a drop in the bucket compared to the powerhouse that is Kid Buu. The reason why Vegeta turns down Goku‘s offer or request to bring Gohan Goten and Trunks is because Vegeta witnessed and felt the power level of SSJ3 Gotenks, Inner Potential Unlocked Base Form Gohan & SSJ3 Goku. He witnessed this from the afterlife and in his fight with Goku versus Kid Buu. Comparing all of their power levels, he Deemed Goku the strongest of the three. He figured if the strongest of the three can’t beat kid boo, it’ll be useless bring it warriors who are weaker than him. Because Kid Buu’s Power level never gets weaker. Goku the strongest of the three is virtually an ant compared to Kid Buu, so bring anybody who is weaker than him would be useless. Goku & Co are called The Z fighters. Z is Zenkai. Essentially they are the Zenkai Fighters. Kai = Chi/Ki Energy. Which intern means Internal/ Eternal Power/ Life force. There are three concepts that make up “ki” energy. I forget what they are at the moment. Genki-Dama = Kai = Ki Energy. This is why the Newer Official Anime is called Dragon Ball Z Kai. The Z & Kai secretly means “Zenkai Power”. So absorbing all the Z fighters “ki” energy. Including Gohan‘s, was insufficient to making the spirit bomb stronger than the power level of Kid Buu. 6) For the 1st time ever. We witness Kid Buu have fear. It is at this moment Kid Buu uses 100% of his power level. The spirit bomb has The “ki” energy from all of Goku’s friends and families, including the Z fighters, all the people on planet earth, and all the people throughout the universe including the afterlife, called “Otherworld.” Goku’s needed every last drop of their energy in order to create the spirit bomb far stronger than Kid Buu in order to completely destroy him. What takes place is something beyond legendary. Something that has never happened before. Kid Buu utilizing and tapping into 100% of his maximum power level is able to push back the spirit bomb. This is a feat that has never happened before. His strength and magnitude shows that he is on a level that is unmatched by any other version of him. This is the culmination of his greatest feat. This is something that was virtually thought to be impossible even by Goku. Goku has like one percent of key energy left he’s tapped out. Once he regained his power level from the whish made by Dendè. Goku regains control of the spirit bomb because he has Pure of Heart “ki” energy. This strengthen his connection with The Spirit Bomb aka Genki-Dama and allows him to kill Kid Buu.
@ 7) Goku Made a wish and special request for Kid Buu to be reincarnated. Goku only wishes to save the life spare the live or reincarnate the life of the strongest being he has ever faced. Hence, why we have Uub, The Earthling Reincarnatio of Kid Buu, The Strongest Villain ever, at this point and time. “It was the use of ki that allowed Goku to be The Strongest In The Universe.” - Akira Toriyama. In an interview when asked about who he felt the strongest in the universe was, between Goku and Gohan, in reference to The Buu Arc. The official and original author Akira Toriyama had this to say.. “Between Goku & Gohan.. It’s Goku, the most Pure Hearted Fighter Is The Strongest, I think..” - Akira Toriyama. There you have it this was never a debate this was never up for a question this was always concrete and stone from the original Contant creator the author Akira Toriyama stated Goku ”Is The Strongest In The Universe.” This makes sense why he kept on mentioning Kid Buu as being the strongest why he talked about kid Goku being the strongest how he was subvert expectations of who looked to be the strongest person who is the strongest genuinely is more child like an appearance more innocent. With many fans don’t understand is what Akira Toriyama did is the Powerful philosophy, which is “The Greatest Power is Innocent & Childlike.” It is wholeheartedly poetic that all those years ago Akira Toriyama mentioned Kid Goku & Kid Buu as The Most Pure Hearted & The Strongest. Everything I stated as a Direct Quote from The Author Akira Toriyama is non debatable. It’s also poetic in Dragon Ball Daima, Akira Toriyama reverted Adult Goku into Kid Goku. Highlighting The physical representation of Kid Goku.
@@jordanglasper1064 You know nothing about dragon ball. Shin has God Ki, making his power unreadable. This is stated multiple times, and he says that he could have defeated Full Power Frieza with a single punch. Piccolo was absolutely afraid of Shin and threw the match, and shin had complete confidence. Also, saying that Buutenks was proven wrong because Buuhan is stronger than Buutenks is the most braindead take I’ve ever heard in my life. Do you think he can see the future?
@ When it comes to Lord Beerus. He is a God Of Destruction. 1 of 12 to be exact. A God of destruction exist above the hierarchy of power and connection to and compared to mortals. A true deity, so Powerful, their status is elite level, their power is elite level and their position is elite level. They exist on a cosmology scale above The Dragon Balls. This is why in DB Super whenever a witch is made on the Dragon Balls “Make me The Strongest In The Universe.” The Dragon God, Shenron, Porrunga or The Cerilan Dragon God. They Cannot make a Mortal Stronger than The God Of Destruction whom is above The Magic Wish Orbs of their Universe. Essentially the power and authority the 12 gods of destruction wield, would be like the power of the God from the Bible. They are so powerful they are beyond certain cosmic rules and regulations. Because they are divine beings. And above them are divine beings, angels who are infinitely more powerful at bare minimum. It’s to the point of where you become so strong you’re very presence as a god/deity/divine being, literally cannot be overpowered by magic that grants mortal beings and ability hax. A divine being in power authority rank and status is a higher level being. Not like the Kaioshin who are subject to the magic of the dragon balls. Because they have a high status but their power does not equate to their status and their divinity. The gods of destruction are legit gods untouchable and unapproachable unless another divine being or, a mortal who has reached a level of power higher than a divine being can kill them or destroy them. Within this conversation what I am essentially saying is, whether a mortal being has the ability to grow so powerful they can outgrow and overcome the magic of the dragon balls that come from the universe they are born in. The only Magic wish orbs that surpass and supersede all gods of destruction, or the planetary size ones that exist in each universe as a planet. Dragon balls cosmology theology spirituality and metaphysics get deep.
8:26 Goku and Vegeta are not equals. That’s the context you’re missing the whole time. Goku is still pretending to be equal to Vegeta through and through when Goku is massively overwhelmingly and exceedingly stronger than Vegeta. Furthermore, Goku was talking about the microscopic size. You see Vegeta the fusion warrior has a special ability he doesn’t lose his power level it never drops and never changes no matter what even if his physical form changes. But that’s not enough special ability that Goku Vegeta and all the other Z fighters have they don’t have the same power level that’s a character trait only Vegito has. on top of that the most damaging evidence against you since you only want to use the mug this is Manga reference to you my friend. Is that Goku using the spirit bomb collective “ki” energy from his friends and family but namely the Z fighters. Among the Z fighters is Gohan. After collecting all of their energy Goku’s said this. Is this all? This isn’t enough to beat boo. Translation all the energy I’ve collected from my friends and family and fellow Z fighters, the spirit bomb is too weak and Kid Buu is far more powerful than it. What this means is all the “ki” energy from his friends, family & most importantly, The Z fighters. Was insufficient to make the spirit bomb stronger than kid boo. Basically Goku send the spirit bomb is so weak Kid Buu can kill all of us at any time. So this immense power that you’re giving to go Han over Goku is a failure it is a false narrative it is not real. Because Gohan’s energy collected with all the others the fighters energy didn’t make the spirit bomb stronger than Kid Buu the very same Kid Buu Goku fighting the whole time. Goku fight I’ve been far more powerful himself and he made the fight club event. Go on fight of being far more powerful than himself and he got mud stopped. Goku fight that same being and fared far better. Oh yeah I’m using anime and manga because it is both synonymous to one another they are not a contradictory they go hand-in-hand. Also I’ve already debunked the statement when you say Goku was afraid of fighting Super Buu. He says noteworthy things that you fail to recognize. He states we, implying that he and Vegeta are equals but last time you checked he and Vegeta are not equals he has a transformation that is eons above Vegeta and go tanks. Goku has been lying about how strong he really is the whole time go who doesn’t get serious about how strong he really is until he fights Kid Buu. It’s stated in the manga as well as the anime that Goku is the strongest. So while Goku is like freaking out that he can’t get enough power beyond his friends and family to defeat Kid Buu. Gohan has dialogue in both the monger and the MA stating if my dad can’t be Kid Buu the earth is going to be destroyed and the universe is going to be destroyed. That’s admission from Gohan himself that Goku is stronger than him. Nobody else paid attention.
I agree with what you said about them being microscopic, so yeah I’d definitely give you the benefit of the doubt on that one But gohan stating that Goku is the last hope has nothing to do with strength, there was no way for Gohan to magically go fight buu up at the Supreme Kai’s world. Buu would have free rein over the galaxy with no one to stop him, and if buu just showed up on earth he’d simply destroy it. It doesn’t matter how strong they are, he only teleported to kill Goku and vegeta because they’d just keep running until they fought. Gohan has zero statements or fights other than beating up super buu, which even gotenks was able to do. There’s no way to tell.
Also, back to the microscopic thing. Goku says specifically that vegeta just “had to go and break the potara”. I don’t know about you, but I’d have to say that that’s a pretty direct statement that Goku and vegeta were directly weaker than buu. He’s worried about their size in this situation too, obviously, but he does still say that buu is stronger. I doubt it the potara would matter if he were referring only to size.
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9:00 Super Saiyan 3 Goku Heavily Suppressed scales below SSJ3 Gotenks & Base Form Gohan.
Evidence to support this shows that at the end of toward the conclusion of the battle with Kid Buu. Goku Stacy could’ve easily killed fat boo. That means he was holding back a huge amount of power and we know this is true because if Goku used one fraction More of power, his time would’ve ran out while on earth that’s how powerful SSJ3 is just a fraction of it zaps the time he had left it took a whole 24 hours and it took it down to like Ameer three hours to 30 minutes something like that. So Goku couldn’t be at full power while he faced off against Babu while stalling for time because he went full power his time would’ve been eliminated immediately. And he would’ve returned to other world without having done anything to help out the heroes on earth.
Super Saiyan 3 Goku Maximum Power Level scales Above SSJ3 Gotenks & Base Form Gohan.
It’s like this Heavily Suppressed SSJ3 Goku can beat Fat Buu no prob. He did not only to buy time for Trunks. Heavily Suppressed SSJ3 Goku is Weaker than Super Buu.
However, Suppressed SSJ3 Goku is Stronger than Super Buu + Piccolo. Goku was not scared of this version of Super Buu + Piccolo Far Stronger than Super Buu. Both Goku & Gohan scale above Super Buu + Piccolo. Whereas SSJ3 Gotenks is equal to Super Buu. Manga only.
Misspoke a few times here, I said Buutenks when I meant Buuhan, MB
The word troublesome translates to most difficulty & most annoyance. Most difficulty translates to the most powerful. The one you have the most difficulty with is the most powerful. For whatever reason they didn’t wanna outright say Strongest, they used different words to say the same thing. But many fans who choose to overlook this easily are ignorant to the truth of the matter. The most difficult, means the strongest. Think of a video game when you’re fighting the most difficult boss character you are fighting the strongest boss character.
FYI DBZ Kai is official anime canon. Akira Toriyama also stated the manga (DBZ) and the anime DBZ KAI are synonymous. The word synonymous means Of a word or phrase having a similar meaning or the same meaning. This is the greater context that is always missed out on. Synonymous Manga to Anime literally from the mouth of Akira Toriyama. Meaning they should be treated as one singular cannon. Two streams of water flowing in the same direction, until finally they merge into one stream.
Goku and Vegeta are not equals. Well I lied. They are equals when Goku is not using his Highest Transformation & his highest power level in that transformation.
So when Goku said we can’t beat him like this he is referring to himself and Vegeta at the SSJ2 level for one also Goku is talking about their microscopic size. Being ineffective to do anything versus Buu.
Goku stating that he could’ve defeated the fat boob shows that even as an SSJ3 he was holding back or he was heavily heavily suppressed. This should not be a factor that many fans overlook. And the fact that many fans do overlook this shows their ignorance or stupidity.
Kid Buu kept on suppressing his power level. Kid Buu at his highest level is equal to Vegeta base form. He’s in that ballpark. That’s why Goku stated he needed fusion just to beat him. Because throughout the fight Kid Buu started off weaker than fat boo that’s why Vegeta was able to deflect his blast. And then throughout the fight he kept slowly raising his power level he never went to his highest level because he loves to fight. He thought Goku he thought Vegeta he thought fat boo and he fight Mr. Satan. All of whom have power levels at extremely different levels. Mr. Satan would be comparable to a rock that blue is comparable to a galaxy Vegeta equal to fat poo not stronger than but equal to that’s why he could not beat him you have to be stronger than a boo to beat that Vegeta would be at the same level. But slightly weaker because boo has an infinity sign on the power level. They never get weaker unless they’re fighting each other. And then Goku would be like the expanse of the universe or multiple universe is as a super Saiyan three. A rock does not have the same power level as the planet does not have the same power level as a galaxy does not have the same power level as the universe. And Kid Buu cycle throughout each and every single one of those phases of power scaling I just explain to you. Showing he was altering his power level even in the manga. That’s why Goku Hass to go to a higher level just to fight him a beat him. But he can’t beat him the only reason why they’re able to fight on a good level it’s because kid was holding back so much power. Unlike Superbook Super Bowls not gonna hold back he’s going to seek to dominate at his high level Chibu enjoys fighting so much so he will lower his power level to just higher than his opponent. This is a call back to the cell arc because this is exactly what Zelda with Goku Goku was never a match for sale. And he knew this but Goku still gave him a great fight because sell meticulously lowered his power level to higher than Goku but close enough to the range with Goku could actually contend with him give him a great fight.
Buutenks literally said that he was the strongest Buu (before Buuhan existed)
And for the final nail in the coffin the reason why define reason why you’re wrong is because Dragon Ball super manga specifically reference kid was being the strongest further facilitating how strong he was originally in the Buu Arc. DBZ, DBZ KAI, DB Super anime and manga, now DB Daima stated and re-confirmed Goku is the strongest in the universe in direct reference to The Buu Arc.
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Who can posible think about Kid buu seeing stronger than, Buutenks. At much is equivalent to super Buu.
The end could be "porunga, revive Gohan in the Supreme planet" and Probably one shot buu, that or get absorbed again.
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9:07 Kid Buu did not fight Goku evenly. Goku mafe the fight look even, yet Goku kept sayin Kid Buu was still Superior in every way. U weren’t listening to Goku.
Goku mentioned Fusion shows how massive Kid Buu is. Bcuz after fighting him, Goku states he needs Fusion just to beat him. Goku and Vegeta thought they had a chance bcuz Kid Buu altering his power level to fool them.
Kid Buu is definitely stronger than goku. But how can you say that Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan when Buutenks himself says that he’s the strongest he’s ever been? On top of that, Vegito was needed to defeat Buuhan and would have been needed to defeat Kid Buu. You can’t scale based off of that. Also, I hate statements like “Goku is the strongest in the universe”. That means nothing. Do you think Supreme Kai would have said “Goku is the strongest in the universe except Buutenks, Buuhan, and Kid Buu”. No. Because he defeated majin buu, he is the current strongest. It’s not like he mentions beerus or anything. It’s just a “strongest” statement, and that’s why I absolutely hate them. So does that mean Goku is stronger than Beerus? It’s so stupid.
@ 1) Buutenks Stated he is The Strongest Majin Buu ever. However, we learn that is Not true bcuz he transforms into Buuhan. Buuhan is The Strongest version of Super Buu, not the Strongest version of Majin Buu. That is why Super Buu exists in 4 different States Of Being. Super Buu, Super Buu (Piccolo Absorbed), Buutenks (SSJ3 Gotenks Absorbed), Buuhan (Gohan Absorbed).
2) The Supreme Kai Shin is only Stronger than Mecha Frieza. That means nothin at this point, since all the Z fighters are Massively, Overwhelmingly & Exceedingly Stronger than Final Form Frieza, Mecha Frieza & SSJ Goku on Namek. This is why even Krillin laughs at Shin’s power level. Implying Krillin is at least Billions of times Stronger than Shin. Piccolo only respected Shin’s Hierarchy, not his power level. Out of respect from realizing Shin is a Divine Being. Due to Kami’s Memory & Status as a God presiding over Earth.
No, Shin does not know how Strong Goku & the Z fighters are. That’s why he constantly underestimated The Z fighters while constantly overestimating the fodder villains compared to them. Example are Pui Pui & Yakon.
Goku & co are immensely Strong bcuz they fought, survived & surpassed Perfect Cell & Super Perfect Cell. A Villain so Strong, he is at minimum Solar System Level. Shin is a Diety, a Divine Being, but is virtually a weakling compared to any Threat Level that is considered Strong in The Cell Arc Hierarchy.
3) Fat Buu, Grey Buu, Super Buu, Super Buu + Piccolo, Buff Buu, Buutenks, Buuhan, Kid Buu.
Kid Buu is Both The Original Majin Buu & The Strongest Majin Buu. Absorbing The Kaioshin weakened him every single time he absorbed a Kaioshin. This detail is discussed by them as well. Kai “Ki” Energy + Majin Magic does causes an adverse reaction. It is worse than oil & vinegar.
When Majin Buu absorbs a non Kaioshin fighter, it causes his power level to rise exponentially. There is a big difference.
4) Goku Is The Strongest In The Universe during The Frieza Arc. Gohan Is The Strongest In The Universe during The Cell Arc. Goku Is The Strongest In The Universe during The Buu Arc.
Kid Buu was both Nerfed & Heavily Suppressed when he fought SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta & Mr. Satan. When Goku said he needed (Vegito) The Potarra Fusion just beat Kid Buu, He was referring to this Nerfed & Heavily suppressed Kid Buu. Goku & Vegeta did not know they were fighting a Nerfed/ Heavily Suppressed Kid Buu. Goku realized this after he fought Kid Buu as an SSJ2 & as an SSJ3.
5) Fat Buu was inside Kid Buu, Nerfing him from accessing 100% of his Max Power Level. This is why Kid Buu could not kill Mr. Satan.
Furthermore, Kid Buu did not need to use his Maximum Power Level to completely Dominate SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta, Fat Buu & Mr. Satan. Fighting all 4 Fighters shows Kid Buu has been altering his power level the whole time. Vegeta thinks Goku is stalling for time to give him a chance to fight Kid Buu. Goku started to say that was originall his intention. But throughout the fight he was forced to go SSJ3. Also showcasing for the very first time he used 100% of his SSJ3. This is the 1st time Goku has used 100% as an SSJ3. Why? Goku’s has been hiding his power level and to measure how strong he has been throughout the entire arc. This is why Goku misleads others to believe he is weaker than he actually is. It is here Goku tells Vegeta Kid Buu has been playin around the whole fight. Not takin it seriously. That is the same thing that happened with SSJ Goku vs Cell. Goku went all out when his opponent was still heavily suppressed. Why? To have a good challenging fight. No matter what he does Goku’s knows at this moment in time Kid Buu is far too powerful. Even Vegeta has multiple statements that that constantly upscale Kid Buu as far too strong. Goku & Vegeta started off “We can definitely Beat him.” Only to end up saying “Your Strong, Stronger than I ever imagined.” - Goku. For Goku to say this let’s give an example, let’s say the level of power equate it to a Galaxy that’s how strong Goku predictive keyboard be. But kid booze strain is now a kin to something like the entire universe. Goku being stronger than galaxy level can obviously handle that level of power but being a strong is the universe is something beyond him completely. That’s Goku saying you’re stronger than I ever imagined. In order to imagine something there is no limit. So that’s essentially what does Goku was saying about Kid Buu. Which is why he talks about Potarra Fusion. Base Form Vegito is Universal Level bare minimum. He is The only Fighter who can handle a Power equal to his own. He also has SSJ, that gives him the unfair advantage to win. Goku is a Fair Fighter, the reason why he chose not to fuse against Kid Buu is for two reasons. 1. Kid Buu is singular Buu, with zero absorptions. Meaning he does not have any added/stolen power to make him stronger. 2. Goku wants to fight a singular Bing one on one to prove he is stronger. Because he fights fairly. He learns that was his greatest mistake because Kid Buu was hiding how strong he was the whole time.
5) Goku collects “ki” energy from all his friends & family. Among them are the Z fighters. Goku stated “ is this all there is?” ” this is nowhere near enough to beat Buu!!!” Translation Goku is saying with all the “ki” Energy I just absorb from my friends and family alone, Kid Buu is far too strong for me to use this thing we’re gonna die we cannot beat him like this.
Why is this so very important, there is dialogue in both the manga and the anime of Gohan stating if my dad can’t beat Kid Buu, the earth is going to be destroyed and the universe is going to be destroyed. That is admission of guilt, from Gohan himself, that Goku is far stronger than he himself. After gathering the energy needed from all his friends and family, including all the Z fighters, Goku was desperate to gain more energy.
What further validates this is that all of the Z fighters “ki” energy, is literally a drop in the bucket compared to the powerhouse that is Kid Buu. The reason why Vegeta turns down Goku‘s offer or request to bring Gohan Goten and Trunks is because Vegeta witnessed and felt the power level of SSJ3 Gotenks, Inner Potential Unlocked Base Form Gohan & SSJ3 Goku. He witnessed this from the afterlife and in his fight with Goku versus Kid Buu. Comparing all of their power levels, he Deemed Goku the strongest of the three. He figured if the strongest of the three can’t beat kid boo, it’ll be useless bring it warriors who are weaker than him. Because Kid Buu’s Power level never gets weaker. Goku the strongest of the three is virtually an ant compared to Kid Buu, so bring anybody who is weaker than him would be useless.
Goku & Co are called The Z fighters. Z is Zenkai. Essentially they are the Zenkai Fighters. Kai = Chi/Ki Energy. Which intern means Internal/ Eternal Power/ Life force. There are three concepts that make up “ki” energy. I forget what they are at the moment. Genki-Dama = Kai = Ki Energy. This is why the Newer Official Anime is called Dragon Ball Z Kai. The Z & Kai secretly means “Zenkai Power”. So absorbing all the Z fighters “ki” energy. Including Gohan‘s, was insufficient to making the spirit bomb stronger than the power level of Kid Buu.
6) For the 1st time ever. We witness Kid Buu have fear. It is at this moment Kid Buu uses 100% of his power level. The spirit bomb has The “ki” energy from all of Goku’s friends and families, including the Z fighters, all the people on planet earth, and all the people throughout the universe including the afterlife, called “Otherworld.” Goku’s needed every last drop of their energy in order to create the spirit bomb far stronger than Kid Buu in order to completely destroy him.
What takes place is something beyond legendary. Something that has never happened before. Kid Buu utilizing and tapping into 100% of his maximum power level is able to push back the spirit bomb. This is a feat that has never happened before. His strength and magnitude shows that he is on a level that is unmatched by any other version of him. This is the culmination of his greatest feat. This is something that was virtually thought to be impossible even by Goku. Goku has like one percent of key energy left he’s tapped out. Once he regained his power level from the whish made by Dendè. Goku regains control of the spirit bomb because he has Pure of Heart “ki” energy. This strengthen his connection with The Spirit Bomb aka Genki-Dama and allows him to kill Kid Buu.
@ 7) Goku Made a wish and special request for Kid Buu to be reincarnated. Goku only wishes to save the life spare the live or reincarnate the life of the strongest being he has ever faced. Hence, why we have Uub, The Earthling Reincarnatio of Kid Buu, The Strongest Villain ever, at this point and time.
“It was the use of ki that allowed Goku to be The Strongest In The Universe.” - Akira Toriyama. In an interview when asked about who he felt the strongest in the universe was, between Goku and Gohan, in reference to The Buu Arc. The official and original author Akira Toriyama had this to say.. “Between Goku & Gohan.. It’s Goku, the most Pure Hearted Fighter Is The Strongest, I think..” - Akira Toriyama. There you have it this was never a debate this was never up for a question this was always concrete and stone from the original Contant creator the author Akira Toriyama stated Goku ”Is The Strongest In The Universe.” This makes sense why he kept on mentioning Kid Buu as being the strongest why he talked about kid Goku being the strongest how he was subvert expectations of who looked to be the strongest person who is the strongest genuinely is more child like an appearance more innocent. With many fans don’t understand is what Akira Toriyama did is the Powerful philosophy, which is “The Greatest Power is Innocent & Childlike.” It is wholeheartedly poetic that all those years ago Akira Toriyama mentioned Kid Goku & Kid Buu as The Most Pure Hearted & The Strongest. Everything I stated as a Direct Quote from The Author Akira Toriyama is non debatable. It’s also poetic in Dragon Ball Daima, Akira Toriyama reverted Adult Goku into Kid Goku. Highlighting The physical representation of Kid Goku.
@@jordanglasper1064 You know nothing about dragon ball. Shin has God Ki, making his power unreadable. This is stated multiple times, and he says that he could have defeated Full Power Frieza with a single punch. Piccolo was absolutely afraid of Shin and threw the match, and shin had complete confidence.
Also, saying that Buutenks was proven wrong because Buuhan is stronger than Buutenks is the most braindead take I’ve ever heard in my life. Do you think he can see the future?
@ When it comes to Lord Beerus. He is a God Of Destruction. 1 of 12 to be exact. A God of destruction exist above the hierarchy of power and connection to and compared to mortals.
A true deity, so Powerful, their status is elite level, their power is elite level and their position is elite level. They exist on a cosmology scale above The Dragon Balls.
This is why in DB Super whenever a witch is made on the Dragon Balls “Make me The Strongest In The Universe.” The Dragon God, Shenron, Porrunga or The Cerilan Dragon God. They Cannot make a Mortal Stronger than The God Of Destruction whom is above The Magic Wish Orbs of their Universe.
Essentially the power and authority the 12 gods of destruction wield, would be like the power of the God from the Bible. They are so powerful they are beyond certain cosmic rules and regulations. Because they are divine beings. And above them are divine beings, angels who are infinitely more powerful at bare minimum. It’s to the point of where you become so strong you’re very presence as a god/deity/divine being, literally cannot be overpowered by magic that grants mortal beings and ability hax. A divine being in power authority rank and status is a higher level being. Not like the Kaioshin who are subject to the magic of the dragon balls. Because they have a high status but their power does not equate to their status and their divinity. The gods of destruction are legit gods untouchable and unapproachable unless another divine being or, a mortal who has reached a level of power higher than a divine being can kill them or destroy them.
Within this conversation what I am essentially saying is, whether a mortal being has the ability to grow so powerful they can outgrow and overcome the magic of the dragon balls that come from the universe they are born in. The only Magic wish orbs that surpass and supersede all gods of destruction, or the planetary size ones that exist in each universe as a planet. Dragon balls cosmology theology spirituality and metaphysics get deep.
8:26 Goku and Vegeta are not equals. That’s the context you’re missing the whole time. Goku is still pretending to be equal to Vegeta through and through when Goku is massively overwhelmingly and exceedingly stronger than Vegeta.
Furthermore, Goku was talking about the microscopic size. You see Vegeta the fusion warrior has a special ability he doesn’t lose his power level it never drops and never changes no matter what even if his physical form changes. But that’s not enough special ability that Goku Vegeta and all the other Z fighters have they don’t have the same power level that’s a character trait only Vegito has.
on top of that the most damaging evidence against you since you only want to use the mug this is Manga reference to you my friend. Is that Goku using the spirit bomb collective “ki” energy from his friends and family but namely the Z fighters. Among the Z fighters is Gohan. After collecting all of their energy Goku’s said this. Is this all? This isn’t enough to beat boo. Translation all the energy I’ve collected from my friends and family and fellow Z fighters, the spirit bomb is too weak and Kid Buu is far more powerful than it.
What this means is all the “ki” energy from his friends, family & most importantly, The Z fighters. Was insufficient to make the spirit bomb stronger than kid boo. Basically Goku send the spirit bomb is so weak Kid Buu can kill all of us at any time. So this immense power that you’re giving to go Han over Goku is a failure it is a false narrative it is not real. Because Gohan’s energy collected with all the others the fighters energy didn’t make the spirit bomb stronger than Kid Buu the very same Kid Buu Goku fighting the whole time.
Goku fight I’ve been far more powerful himself and he made the fight club event. Go on fight of being far more powerful than himself and he got mud stopped. Goku fight that same being and fared far better.
Oh yeah I’m using anime and manga because it is both synonymous to one another they are not a contradictory they go hand-in-hand.
Also I’ve already debunked the statement when you say Goku was afraid of fighting Super Buu. He says noteworthy things that you fail to recognize. He states we, implying that he and Vegeta are equals but last time you checked he and Vegeta are not equals he has a transformation that is eons above Vegeta and go tanks. Goku has been lying about how strong he really is the whole time go who doesn’t get serious about how strong he really is until he fights Kid Buu.
It’s stated in the manga as well as the anime that Goku is the strongest. So while Goku is like freaking out that he can’t get enough power beyond his friends and family to defeat Kid Buu. Gohan has dialogue in both the monger and the MA stating if my dad can’t be Kid Buu the earth is going to be destroyed and the universe is going to be destroyed. That’s admission from Gohan himself that Goku is stronger than him. Nobody else paid attention.
I agree with what you said about them being microscopic, so yeah I’d definitely give you the benefit of the doubt on that one
But gohan stating that Goku is the last hope has nothing to do with strength, there was no way for Gohan to magically go fight buu up at the Supreme Kai’s world. Buu would have free rein over the galaxy with no one to stop him, and if buu just showed up on earth he’d simply destroy it. It doesn’t matter how strong they are, he only teleported to kill Goku and vegeta because they’d just keep running until they fought. Gohan has zero statements or fights other than beating up super buu, which even gotenks was able to do. There’s no way to tell.
Also, back to the microscopic thing. Goku says specifically that vegeta just “had to go and break the potara”. I don’t know about you, but I’d have to say that that’s a pretty direct statement that Goku and vegeta were directly weaker than buu. He’s worried about their size in this situation too, obviously, but he does still say that buu is stronger. I doubt it the potara would matter if he were referring only to size.