Need for Speed Heat - 5 Years Later... Still The Best?

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  • @BlockBaseYT
    @BlockBaseYT 2 місяці тому +499

    Single player is better in Heat, Multiplayer is better in Unbound.

    • @RIPzippyshare
      @RIPzippyshare 2 місяці тому +16

      It's just really short, i have extended my Heat playthrough only up to 12 Hours, Completed Unbound around 30 Hours.

    • @BakaFeniksu
      @BakaFeniksu 2 місяці тому +9

      Unbounds multiplayer is better. With heat even the hardest difficulty is not hard enough. And the online is deserted (india). With Unbound finding races and hot pursuits with other people is far easier and more fun. Its way more fun racing against real people

    • @Drzgz
      @Drzgz 2 місяці тому

      Fr

    • @diddykong9366
      @diddykong9366 2 місяці тому +6

      no it isnt. you literally cant even progress if you want to play with friends without pvping nonstop. no offense but i dont wanna use my garbage cars straight to pvp. in other racing games, or i should say every racing game ever you can progress solo against cpu racers and then play pvp. in unbound its pvp or nothing else.

    • @McVader.
      @McVader. 2 місяці тому +1

      @@RIPzippyshare Quality over quantity.

  • @Chili908
    @Chili908 2 місяці тому +319

    so you tellin me it's not like 2 years old? damn, time flies:(

  • @tarouou4988
    @tarouou4988 2 місяці тому +172

    Ah yes, Heat. It was so amazing from start to finish. Collecting all the cars, customizing them, and even getting the Platinum trophy was a blast.

  • @WhitePresenting
    @WhitePresenting 2 місяці тому +79

    Still playing. Still enjoying

  • @Rogue_Speed
    @Rogue_Speed 2 місяці тому +542

    If it had updates, yes it would’ve been

    • @BlackPanthaa
      @BlackPanthaa  2 місяці тому +169

      Doesn't need them to be the best imo

    • @Elysiabikha
      @Elysiabikha 2 місяці тому +63

      Not everything need updates. Or need to be forced live services with paywalls

    • @paulcrow7642
      @paulcrow7642 2 місяці тому +19

      Still the best

    • @Rogue_Speed
      @Rogue_Speed 2 місяці тому +21

      @ I mean it’s good. I like the map and the setting plus the day and night cycle was definitely great. I just wish that they added more ya know? More cars, races, new changes etc.

    • @Rogue_Speed
      @Rogue_Speed 2 місяці тому +15

      @@Elysiabikha I don’t want it to be live service, god no. I just wish it had more. I completed the campaign and got the best gear quite quickly then I was kinda left stuck wondering what do I do next. I still prefer it to unbound but it felt like ea just left the game quite quickly and moved on

  • @GL1TCH1N
    @GL1TCH1N 2 місяці тому +32

    FIVE, YEARS?!
    Daaaamn. I still remember the very moment of release. Pressing the download button. Starting it. Trying to choose Papi's Camaro.
    I wish this game received a next gen 4K 60FPS update.

    • @Tintin_desi_billa
      @Tintin_desi_billa 2 місяці тому +2

      ​@@onurk10it's 4k 30 in ps5, and you can turn off the cartoon effects in unbound

    • @John_R_Jackson_III
      @John_R_Jackson_III 26 днів тому +1

      @@Tintin_desi_billaI play Heat 4k 120fps on PC

  • @Crooked-60
    @Crooked-60 2 місяці тому +49

    I feel like out of all the newer NFS games Heat felt the most like a NFS game, just with the overall vibe and focus on the police mechanics. So I'd say its probably the best out of the newer batch of games (unless you include 2015 which I'm not sure if you can even consider new anymore).

    • @adlibbed2138
      @adlibbed2138 2 місяці тому +4

      and 2015 being always online doesn't help it's shelf value either, meaning that game will sooner or later get The Crew 1'd out of existence unlike anything from Payback onwards (this including Heat as well)

    • @Crooked-60
      @Crooked-60 2 місяці тому +1

      @adlibbed2138 yeah it's a shame all of the best online games are starting to be shut down now battlefield 3 got shut down just a few days ago.

    • @adlibbed2138
      @adlibbed2138 2 місяці тому +2

      ​​​​@@Crooked-60^this, all you said, is exactly why I always prefer single player games 10 times out of 10, and preferably the ones that needs no internet connection to even get past the starting screen
      because I still get to play either the games I love or underrated gems I missed out from that era and get the same enjoyment out of them like it's brand new whenever I wanted, wherever I wanted

    • @LonghornsLegend
      @LonghornsLegend 14 днів тому

      I agree it is as well. Actually had a fun addicting career that made me want to grind

  • @s.beezyprince3973
    @s.beezyprince3973 2 місяці тому +66

    5 years already? Feels like 3

    • @trancephile2412
      @trancephile2412 2 місяці тому

      yes exactly 😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨😪

  • @DJMJDM777
    @DJMJDM777 2 місяці тому +63

    It will always be a more solid need for speed than unbound, no split progression, better cops, better setting etc. Still come back to it almost every month.

    • @mytube9182
      @mytube9182 28 днів тому

      Unbound would've been great without those cartoon effects that don't make any sense.

  • @Nonshin540
    @Nonshin540 2 місяці тому +14

    The main story to heat should've been longer. There was so much left to the story they left hanging. Heat is on the same level of Underground 2 and Most Wanted. I still play it to this day.

  • @SP33D360
    @SP33D360 2 місяці тому +20

    Last nfs before lockdown happened feels unreal its already been 5 years...

  • @Scytez
    @Scytez 2 місяці тому +106

    Still better than Unbound? Yes.
    The sound for me is a BIG difference, it's so much better.
    Funny enough I started replaying it a couple days ago. 😁

    • @Ty2late
      @Ty2late 2 місяці тому +4

      Yup all the cars in unbound sound like they need to turned up, Heat is loud and I love it

    • @Scytez
      @Scytez 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@Ty2lateYep and they added artificial SFX like bass when shifting which makes it weird...

    • @zan_c
      @zan_c 2 місяці тому +1

      damn it im doing the same thing

    • @bDz416
      @bDz416 2 місяці тому

      Bros, the P1 GTR and literally any Subaru sounds completely menacing just in idle alone.
      💯

    • @wiseguy240Winston
      @wiseguy240Winston 2 місяці тому +1

      Gameplay wise rn if we're being unbiased Unbound currently is better

  • @jacobfelix8577
    @jacobfelix8577 Місяць тому +7

    Heat had a great story and concept. Blew payback out of the water and had a perfect feel. Gave me chills fr. The next one is gonna blow us away I hope

  • @SlyJordie
    @SlyJordie 2 місяці тому +44

    EASILY Top 3 NFS. The Day/Night system was revolutionary for the franchise & even the endgame had a lot more than people gave it credit for; you didn’t have Elite or Ultimate parts when you finished the story so you had to keep playing for High Heat events, Max REP & EVERYBODY wanted to see the potential of every single car in the game…full lobbies to this day & a decent police system…oh, and the ability to take your single-player progress to the multiplayer as it was a completely united experience. Top 3. Undeniable. 🐐

    • @chrisgonz19
      @chrisgonz19 2 місяці тому

      Heat is the most fun I've had in an NFS game since ProStreet. Its just so fun to play alone AND with friends.

  • @Perezeta-zu
    @Perezeta-zu 2 місяці тому +9

    NFS should introduce some choices for your character to pick you can make them a rouge racer, normal racer, or straight up an undercover cop in order to bust the big guy

  • @ST0NE_206
    @ST0NE_206 2 місяці тому +15

    I enjoyed playing Heat I’m not gonna lie 🔥

  • @blckmambachief4903
    @blckmambachief4903 2 місяці тому +11

    I Lowkey needed this video 💯

  • @Canvas12
    @Canvas12 2 місяці тому +3

    For me personally I’d say it’s one of the best. Had a blast playing this during Thanksgiving break back when I was still in high school. Played a lot by myself and with the homies. Made a lot of memories in general. Overall, this was one of the most fun games I’ve ever played and one of the last few good games before covid.

  • @Pri11-k7l
    @Pri11-k7l 2 місяці тому +20

    I feel Heat was a apology letter to 2015 and Payback

    • @asifnoaman8978
      @asifnoaman8978 2 місяці тому +5

      2015 was not bad tbf

    • @kite4668
      @kite4668 2 місяці тому +5

      @@asifnoaman8978worst handling game ever, carried by atmosphere

    • @adityanugroho9325
      @adityanugroho9325 2 місяці тому +4

      2015 was great, but it designed for online mode only....people hate it, most nfs games usually can be played online/offline mode...

    • @mayfieldd357
      @mayfieldd357 2 місяці тому +2

      Payback wasn't even bad, though. The weird progression and customization lockouts were the biggest gripe for me. Story wasnt bad, but wasn't something to write home about. What I think it had over heat and unbound is the offroad races, drag races, dynamic takedown cams, roaming ai, drifting, 24-hour day/night cycle. The map wasn't as flashy, but the races were a proper mix of high-speed straights and technical turns. I dont think payback deserves the hate it still receives today. To be honest, I feel like most wanted gets too much glazing, with lazy customization, a piss brown filter that was hard on the eyes, and also being limited to daytime. The car selection was also very scarce, and there was little variety to stand out from other cars. Same thing with underground 2. Had all the customization, but there was no risk of being busted, and the missing cop elements just took away what made the nfs series stand out. To be fair, they had limited tech, but I couldn't stick with underground 2 for the end game. I played most wanted more after I beat it, but compared to the newer games, it shows its age and flaws clearly. I feel like carbon was better at capturing the culture during the time, also innovating with autosculpt to customization, actual crews with different skills, territorial control, canyon events, and one of the best maps of the entire franchise. Even the newer games can't capture the different leagues/crews like carbon. Heat tends to mention the league and crews, but it never felt like we were with a crew. It still felt like we were grinding solo always. Sorry for the long message. What I'm saying is that none of the nfs games were perfect, and alot of our favorite nfs games did something better or worse than the other games. bring us to current standings, heat is by far the best in the series, with unbound having a better endgame and multiplayer lobbies, despite its cheesy story. To be fair, though, I never really played nfs for the stories, and I only like mw, carbon, and heats stories because they had the level of "oh shit" to them. Ghost games deserve to make the next nfs and its story. I need something as good as heat again, but longer and more supported years after too

    • @asifnoaman8978
      @asifnoaman8978 2 місяці тому

      @@kite4668 it was great for its time. Bare in mind its over 9 years old. It is not supposed to be a gran turismo competitor.

  • @jjambino
    @jjambino 2 місяці тому +8

    Need For Speed Heat tops unbound in many ways, if only Heat game got updates and slight improvements would've been perf 🔥🔥🔥

  • @stalllow
    @stalllow 2 місяці тому +30

    top 5 nfs games to me
    1. NFS most wanted 05
    2. NFS heat
    3. NFS rivals
    4. NFS underground
    5. NFS most wanted 2012

    • @GDA999
      @GDA999 2 місяці тому

      perfect list

    • @L.W43
      @L.W43 2 місяці тому

      what about nfs 2015???

    • @griffinyoung2795
      @griffinyoung2795 2 місяці тому +1

      He literally said “to me” if 2015 is not there is for a reason and i agree thats the worst nfs I have ever played in my life

    • @bDz416
      @bDz416 2 місяці тому +1

      Bro don't appreciate NFSU2 nor even 1 apparently lol

    • @coffeebreak5751
      @coffeebreak5751 2 місяці тому

      Rivals was ABSOLUTELY amazing fun to play

  • @jedi_.66
    @jedi_.66 2 місяці тому +6

    DannyG jumpscare within the first two minutes 😭

  • @paulfitzpatrick6566
    @paulfitzpatrick6566 6 днів тому +1

    Biggest issue with Heat, lack of races. Once you’ve raced a track twice, it gets very repetitive & boring. TC Motorfest have addressed this in an excellent manner, bucket fulls of different tracks in TCM with highly varied styles eg Rally & Rally Raid, Motocross as well as your expected race & drift events.
    NFS Heat should have had updates & far more race events. The customisation that NFS is known for is great, but had to stop playing due to aforementioned issues.

  • @EricDragomir-hp4zb
    @EricDragomir-hp4zb 2 місяці тому

    5 years have been, but i started NFS Heat in december last year and still playing it. One of my favourite NFS games ever played, after Payback and Most Wanted (2012)

  • @augosyx
    @augosyx 2 місяці тому +1

    This is still one of the best NFS, hell, I even remember their promotion on an app so that they can make a trailer out of the cars that we customized, the bad part of that is that THEY picked the car, not the car we wanted to get featured.

  • @matejr7871
    @matejr7871 2 місяці тому +1

    24:04 it was a song that plays in the night, Novocaine

  • @john7156
    @john7156 2 місяці тому +7

    If only it had updates and support like Unbound is getting now, but EA decided to dissolve Ghost Games when it was at its peak in my opinion.

  • @RockingKevin92
    @RockingKevin92 2 місяці тому +1

    i stayed throughout the whole clip, i missed this so much

  • @PaidGull
    @PaidGull 2 місяці тому +3

    No way! I just started playing Heat

  • @Shakerini-tf7fp
    @Shakerini-tf7fp 2 місяці тому +8

    i was 13 when this came out, i feel old

    • @458italiap
      @458italiap 2 місяці тому +1

      I was 10 when this came out. Now I’m 15. Man it’s been 5 years already?!

    • @tempoclasse2907
      @tempoclasse2907 2 місяці тому

      @@458italiap I was still in the womb when this came out I feel old

  • @actualkoji5548
    @actualkoji5548 Місяць тому +1

    I’m still playing it to this day

  • @thespoof519
    @thespoof519 14 днів тому +1

    Been playing payback at a friend's house, and the card upgrading finally got to me lol. Had to go buy heat again, good thing it was on sale for 3 bucks lmao.

  • @adrianstirland1671
    @adrianstirland1671 2 місяці тому +1

    Hey Pantz, i have recently started again and doing it with european cars only and only own 1 of each car brand, love this game, it still holds itself against all the new games.

  • @gimmeaminett2859
    @gimmeaminett2859 Місяць тому +1

    Always love when someone ups the Up! GTI. I love mine, fantastic car

  • @5ilentMu5ic
    @5ilentMu5ic 2 місяці тому +1

    If it had super builds like payback or some other unique customization (which it has but not much) and body kits, I think by far it would be the best... still love it

  • @lycanthrochick
    @lycanthrochick 2 місяці тому

    5:48 You can reheat rice, but it needs to be heated to at least the same temperature as it was when you cooked it

    • @mayfieldd357
      @mayfieldd357 2 місяці тому

      140 and above. Between 140 and 40 is the danger zone. Also, fried rice is made with day old rice

  • @SGTWhiskey
    @SGTWhiskey 2 місяці тому

    I finished heat again last week, hard to explain but it just has that NFS magic and feel.

  • @tuanmuhdsyafiq4832
    @tuanmuhdsyafiq4832 2 місяці тому +1

    you can see that the car is missing at 19:22 by looking at the shadow

  • @ronnypooky
    @ronnypooky 2 місяці тому

    half a decade ago is actually crazy😭getting old for real

  • @Piccolo661
    @Piccolo661 2 місяці тому

    Seems like im not the only zone who started playing this game again

  • @paIacce
    @paIacce Місяць тому

    I started playing this for the first time about two weeks ago and I'm obsessed!

  • @justabrick7485
    @justabrick7485 2 місяці тому +2

    I really like it, still play it. Got it to 100% on ps4, and i have got every car there is on max. I really recomend it.

  • @theGamerbox47
    @theGamerbox47 2 місяці тому +1

    Still playing it, still a classic, the BEST need for Speed title

  • @winonesoon9771
    @winonesoon9771 2 місяці тому

    This was the first game I played where you needed more than 16gb of RAM if you wanted to play in 4k.... Well some times

  • @catsexe6932
    @catsexe6932 2 місяці тому +1

    To be honest yeah! In a world with of a more happy story in racing games ,i would like for NFS to keep this theme...maybe even darker

  • @nickchu2323
    @nickchu2323 2 місяці тому +1

    Great game I would say.
    Brings back lots memories, compete with friends and escape from the cops to grind the parts.

  • @TheyCallMeLyson
    @TheyCallMeLyson Місяць тому

    Just started playing this game for the first time ever. I was playing NFS Payback but after reading some reviews about this game being better I just had to buy it. I am really enjoying this game and I would definitely not be going back to NFS Payback. Im glad people still play this 5 year old game.

  • @linear7244
    @linear7244 2 місяці тому

    It feels like it was yesterday I was watching your videos😢😢

  • @15theracegamer
    @15theracegamer 2 місяці тому

    I must say that the way this video was edited is hilarious😂

  • @spoiler1828
    @spoiler1828 2 місяці тому +1

    3:58 alr predicted the Crew would be joever

  • @_mylastname
    @_mylastname Місяць тому

    I'll be firing this up tonight, for the first time.. Not sure why i waited so long . Looks good

  • @rorroryusoul
    @rorroryusoul 2 місяці тому

    Very cool video black panthaa

  • @prodigy8872
    @prodigy8872 2 місяці тому +2

    Hurts to my core that this game got killed off so quickly

  • @CJLX805
    @CJLX805 2 місяці тому +2

    I think I might play Need For Speed: Heat after all...lol

  • @williamfischer3990
    @williamfischer3990 16 днів тому

    Oh it’s Ginger Brother Dex!!! That’s awesome

  • @edvin97ful
    @edvin97ful 2 місяці тому +1

    I'm still playing it.

  • @john7156
    @john7156 2 місяці тому

    The new GT3 RS is available in FH5. No customization available like in The Crew Motorfest but it drives amazingly well in my opinion in FH5.

  • @FreshyMandela
    @FreshyMandela 2 місяці тому +1

    Can't help but associate NFS Heat with Covid lockdowns, it's one of the games I was playing throughout 2020 when my life was basically put on halt XD

  • @CanadianExplorer93
    @CanadianExplorer93 2 місяці тому

    Still playing it, on my XB1, still great graphics.

  • @RossCuth
    @RossCuth 2 місяці тому +9

    0:22 True and real 🤣

    • @Vfx_kruxz
      @Vfx_kruxz 2 місяці тому

      I don’t get it

  • @jakobturner6667
    @jakobturner6667 Місяць тому

    just restarted this gem last night then this pops up

  • @the-lime-goat
    @the-lime-goat 2 місяці тому

    Nice I just like yesterday got the game was looking for content thanks man 👍

  • @MajimaNightlord
    @MajimaNightlord 2 місяці тому

    This game looks so good without the film grain or whatever it is that it has

  • @achikkun1856
    @achikkun1856 2 місяці тому

    It's been so long since i watch his video and heard him said no more rice car, scare me so bad. Ain't this dude love big waanggg😂

  • @prodbyzayas
    @prodbyzayas 2 місяці тому

    5:46 I was watching this after I reheated rice 🍚💀

  • @entrippyZ
    @entrippyZ 28 днів тому

    Its about to get revived for a bit, it was $3.50 on the Playstation market. Best tree fiddy ive ever spent quite frankly.

  • @jeremiahalicea4971
    @jeremiahalicea4971 5 днів тому

    1:53 WTF WAS THE LAUGH😂

  • @dh1380
    @dh1380 18 днів тому

    Rice:
    Reheating is fine.
    You have to cool it quickly to prevent bacteria growth. It is perfectly safe to reheat rice but it is not safe to cook rice then leave it sat at room temperature before refrigerating. Basically cook it, let it steam and then whatever you don't eat goes in the fridge ASAP.
    I just started playing this game and I have a v8 swapped NSX and I have to say, apart from the dumb AI it is a great game.

  • @AnthonySuderley-m8h
    @AnthonySuderley-m8h Місяць тому

    i just started to redownload this and found your video liked and subed

  • @Halosbreezyzontwitchto
    @Halosbreezyzontwitchto 2 місяці тому

    Just what I needed you never fail to excite me

  • @yanalkhaled7332
    @yanalkhaled7332 2 місяці тому +2

    This game has a 95% discount on playstation and is now almost 3$ so that's why I'm here lol

    • @thaskins7332
      @thaskins7332 2 місяці тому

      Just got it again just now, this will be my 3rd play through

  • @Yt.shorts.s
    @Yt.shorts.s 2 місяці тому

    bro i used to watch you a lot i love your videos

  • @unknown8148
    @unknown8148 2 місяці тому

    Theo the blue shirt you had looks sick, it would be cool to see a panthaa logo with the name on the bottom or with kanji also

  • @ffcbeats1088
    @ffcbeats1088 Місяць тому

    I just started this game bcuz it was on sale and I had no idea nfs was still putting out games I’m sad I missed out on this at its peak

  • @490ll0_yt
    @490ll0_yt 2 місяці тому +1

    I was at the chat, bro 💀
    Imagine me going nuts even more 💀

  • @Reseyt07
    @Reseyt07 2 місяці тому

    Funny you posted this while I came back to NFS Heat after playing Unbound. I recently got a racing sim setup to play them and other racing games and my gosh did I miss Heat after playing Unbound. I definitely think its better than Unbound and recommend Heat to friends that haven't played any Need for Speed games in years!

  • @sundowner9-11
    @sundowner9-11 2 місяці тому

    I literally replayed the story 5 times and i still enjoy it i just hop on to mess with the cops

  • @jamesfreir8248
    @jamesfreir8248 2 місяці тому

    i would have put a lot of hours into this game if 90% of my cars didn’t get deleted out of nowhere about 3 months after launch

  • @Rockport1911
    @Rockport1911 2 місяці тому

    11:25 You mean a TDU function where you start off in a trailer home with two garage spaces and if you want to advance have to buy more property and garages? That would be great but could be seen as filler in a NfS game.

  • @JulmustensV8
    @JulmustensV8 2 місяці тому

    I do still think Heat is the best modern title by quite a margin. Sure you can still feel that the game was rushed in some places, and you feel that the game had content planned but never got around to releasing it. But the core gameplay and how it's made is just so good it keeps me coming back to the game quite often

  • @zod1acgd
    @zod1acgd 2 місяці тому

    Funny how i just started replaying the game and you uploaded this lmao

  • @shawnstrong733
    @shawnstrong733 Місяць тому

    Just started replaying this last week got it on the steering wheel this time. Alotta messing with settings but works perfectly now

  • @johnmburu1136
    @johnmburu1136 2 місяці тому

    Cop: Hello, How are you?
    Random guy: I am under the watrrrrr!
    😂😂😂😂

  • @kaifmaniyar1903
    @kaifmaniyar1903 2 місяці тому +1

    Make part 2 ❤

  • @josephbean1223
    @josephbean1223 2 місяці тому

    That smile on his face

  • @thunderwolfgaming6106
    @thunderwolfgaming6106 Місяць тому +1

    15:23 Ready to smile 😂

  • @ShinDigginIt
    @ShinDigginIt 2 місяці тому

    sometimes going around corners i accidentally indicate i think its the 90 degree turns confuse my brain with green light intersections for some reason

  • @doloisacc
    @doloisacc 2 місяці тому

    bouta get on in a few with the boys 🔥 HEAT 4L

  • @TheRichy010
    @TheRichy010 Місяць тому

    5:50 and me eating reheated rice guess I’ll be seeing yall 🫡

  • @Viper0p
    @Viper0p Місяць тому +4

    i still feel heat better than unbound in terms of car mechanics and visuals, i personally don't like animated smoke

  • @phil955
    @phil955 2 місяці тому

    8:20 *Cuts to that one German streamer who's literally younger than Theo and has an I8*
    I've forgotten the lad's name, but he ain't the smartest I don't think. XD

  • @pliantimpala7858
    @pliantimpala7858 2 місяці тому

    We'll be returning here soon 😉

  • @Dxnz39
    @Dxnz39 2 місяці тому

    I'm still playing the game, nice 🎉

  • @bsigns1935
    @bsigns1935 2 місяці тому +1

    the best NFS since rival for sure

  • @Anigaming-dz5gh
    @Anigaming-dz5gh 3 дні тому

    Best missions here were taking out Mercer and Shaw's Camaro (I'm only Lv30, like i just started playing the game)

  • @yuriyonlanguage
    @yuriyonlanguage 17 днів тому

    It really sucks that there are no sprints during the day…

  • @M5E39_03
    @M5E39_03 2 місяці тому

    Need For Speed: releases a update console patch for 60fps+

  • @YasirAwais-hu6ur
    @YasirAwais-hu6ur Місяць тому

    Bro you are the best I've been following you for more than 3 years you can start making videos on Need for speed heat again

  • @devanshanil2468
    @devanshanil2468 2 місяці тому

    11:48 noise that old mens make while u know

  • @monk3yface99
    @monk3yface99 Місяць тому

    the biggest issue with this game is the lack of a proper speedlist. there's no incentive to progress further, or better your driving skills. Its why someone like triggermgc is good because of his discord and battles, but its just missing some speedlists. this is why I still play payback because there's a conscious incentive to progress to get the best speed cards and win the speedlists. I'd love to know your thoughts on it all. I also haven't played unbound yet, perhaps I'll be convinced to one day