Bolts and welds did not really take the part of riveting, Hukbolts did, they are similar to a rivet but instead of a head being forged by the hammer a collar is swaged over the bolt and a tail part that is only used for the swaging gun to grip snaps off. There are certain applications that can't be welded because they need to "flex" and rivets Hukbolts would allow this better than welding.
My grand father was a riveter in NYC, working on the iron bridges. When he was older, he could not hear. Prior to immigrating to NYC from Finland, he was a blacksmith.
I worked in shipyards for years as a welder and I remember thinking that if not for modern welding technology I'd be bashing rivets all day. Hardest job in the yard. The riveters were known for toughness and durability but they also had a very high rate of injury. Working iron is still one of the most dangerous jobs in the world.
Prior to the production in quantity for Bessemer process Steel, Wrought Iron (Bloomery iron) was the only material available for Ship building after wood was set aside. Being laminar in nature, welding of Wrought plate was very difficult as all of the layers had to be evenly, and properly welded. This was time consuming, and expensive. Rivets were the best method to assemble any type of Iron vessel, be it a ships hull, or a boiler tube. Later, after Bessemer Steel was available,Welding was around in its several forms, but was not approved for critical structure construction . Even some of the WW II Liberty Ships which were pretty much the first mass produced welded construction Ships, suffered from failures in their welded construction, some even breaking in two while at Sea. The rivet was not without its problems though, quality of materials was very important as once the rivet was closed (headed) and the Grip established (the Grip is the distance between the two heads) the Rivet was still candescent, and as it cooled, the grip shrank, creating the very tight bond between the plates it held. The problem was if there was an excess of shrinkage, one of the heads may pop off, requiring a replacement. Rivets were not perfect, but they did the job very well, so if it wasn't broken, don't fix it.
Two corollaries: 'You show me someone with a real job and I'll show you someone with a shit job.' OR 'You show me someone that does REAL WORK. I'll show you someone who does shit work.' Either works.
@@DkraKom because when steam engines were new, compressed air wasn’t a thing yet, so instead of using pneumatic riveting hammers to set the rivets, the riveters were manually hammering hot rivets all day with a hammer. Literally.
Riveting with a pneumatic gun all day long is tough. Pounding them with a sledge hammer all day? Almost unthinkable how rough ship building used to be.
Once they are in the boiler plate they are in a huge heat sink and lose color quickly. I believe the curator of the Ornamental Metal Museum of Memphis told me steel turns red at about 1,600 degrees and stays red down to 900.
i did this for 3years before moving onto another job. where i worked it was so loud we had big press that would shake the air in the shop each time it was actioned. it was so loud you would shake from the inside of your body. many people coudnt last a half a day they would just go at noon and never come back. you were like shell shocked. we would all wear ear plugs and muff on top. but the vibration in the air shook your from the inside when you breathed. the air was also filled with black particule because when you got home and washed your hair the water was black. i started working just to carry boxes and fetch tools and things at the shop store. i then moved onto the steam cleaning department and it was like working in a dishwasher. the whole room was hot and steamy with 3 big rotating machine cabinet that boiled water and washed the parts. it is the most tough job. no woman complained about equality at those place...
If you look at the rivet heads they have a "washer" behind them, this is caused by the rivet being to long or the snap/set is too shallow. In my day they would have them fetched out or re-worked (not advisable) as the heads had to be perfect. I agree with the comments about hard graft though and paying the price with my hearing now.
Randy Sharp yes before welding and before structural bolts / high tensile strength bolts ( hard a325 & &A490 bolts replace rivets on a one for one basis
Jeff DIxon incorrect, I don't like it because it's not a good video for showing how riveting is really done. Several steps aren't even shown. Nor are we shown what that tool is really doing.
joeskis Thank you for this explanation. Why do people always assume the worst and make social commentary and think that a dislike = anti [topic of video]
Its important to state that this is a dead trade, and not used today in the US, mainly because there is no way to test the integrity of a rivet like this .
I had to build a antique gate In work 200 x 8mm rivits by hand.I wish I had that gun then.couldn't feel my arm for to days.even tho there hot 200 is a pain in the ars
whata i want to know is how do they line up so many holes in the plate so accurate? i find that the amazing part of riveting. the fit must be so correct or eventually somewhere the drilling error would accumulate
nothing is better than doing it by hand knowing that it was done right. We rely to much on machines and I think it would be better if we would go back to riveting like we use to banging the rivet by hand with a group of guys.
Aeroflot? You guys have no idea what a shitty airline looks like. I remember flying with Transaero - now that was a bucket of bolts. Thank god it was an ancient 747, not a Tupolev or Antonov
I've been a steam locomotive fan almost my whole life but I still don't understand how rivets keep the steam in. At one time welding wasn't permitted but with modern NDT methods only good welds get approved so the boiler is safe.
plugs only cause infections if you use the wrong ones. I've noticed the multi sectioned plugs work better. They look like a bunch of backwards suction cups. Those pull out wax when you take them out. Never had issues as long as I clean them after use
I understand that welding and bolting have taken over for riveting, but rivets are so much more aesthetically satisfying.
Bolts and welds did not really take the part of riveting, Hukbolts did, they are similar to a rivet but instead of a head being forged by the hammer a collar is swaged over the bolt and a tail part that is only used for the swaging gun to grip snaps off.
There are certain applications that can't be welded because they need to "flex" and rivets Hukbolts would allow this better than welding.
My grand father was a riveter in NYC, working on the iron bridges. When he was older, he could not hear. Prior to immigrating to NYC from Finland, he was a blacksmith.
I worked in shipyards for years as a welder and I remember thinking that if not for modern welding technology I'd be bashing rivets all day. Hardest job in the yard. The riveters were known for toughness and durability but they also had a very high rate of injury. Working iron is still one of the most dangerous jobs in the world.
My grandfather was a riveter his entir career in the 1920's. He couldn't hear at all when I knew him.
@@TomWilson8003the vibrations damage your hearing heavily
Finally, a well built grill n' smoker for my yard!
Prior to the production in quantity for Bessemer process Steel, Wrought Iron (Bloomery iron) was the only material available for Ship building after wood was set aside. Being laminar in nature, welding of Wrought plate was very difficult as all of the layers had to be evenly, and properly welded. This was time consuming, and expensive. Rivets were the best method to assemble any type of Iron vessel, be it a ships hull, or a boiler tube. Later, after Bessemer Steel was available,Welding was around in its several forms, but was not approved for critical structure construction . Even some of the WW II Liberty Ships which were pretty much the first mass produced welded construction Ships, suffered from failures in their welded construction, some even breaking in two while at Sea. The rivet was not without its problems though, quality of materials was very important as once the rivet was closed (headed) and the Grip established (the Grip is the distance between the two heads) the Rivet was still candescent, and as it cooled, the grip shrank, creating the very tight bond between the plates it held. The problem was if there was an excess of shrinkage, one of the heads may pop off, requiring a replacement. Rivets were not perfect, but they did the job very well, so if it wasn't broken, don't fix it.
Da fuck are they building here. Some Captain Nemo submarine or something?
It's a boiler for a steam locomotive
BathoryTepes Viktor boiler
great, now you got me thinking about my wifes vagina and 6 more hours at work till i get to see it.
Looks like a big boiler.
Two corollaries:
'You show me someone with a real job and I'll show you someone with a shit job.'
OR
'You show me someone that does REAL WORK. I'll show you someone who does shit work.'
Either works.
My father was piece worker riveting ... god Im glad he put me into welding 50 yrs ago
Here's to you, blue collar man. I couldn't sit my ass in a seat all day staring at a screen and twiddling my fingers if it weren't for you guys.
awesome work.......a skill that is almost dead and gone.....so glad to see it's still out there....
I mean. It is hard work. But as far as a "skill" goes. I am pretty sure someone with like 3 days of experience could do what those guys are doing.
As long as steam locomotives live on, riveting will always live on
@@Mr30friends They'd be doing much more like fitting and assembly. Ironwork is more complex than it may appear.
I have more respect now for the men who did this by hand when steam engines were new.
💯
Why?
@@DkraKom because when steam engines were new, compressed air wasn’t a thing yet, so instead of using pneumatic riveting hammers to set the rivets, the riveters were manually hammering hot rivets all day with a hammer. Literally.
Riveting with a pneumatic gun all day long is tough. Pounding them with a sledge hammer all day? Almost unthinkable how rough ship building used to be.
@@haloguru2552 no you use a smaller hammer for it, a sledge would warp the hot metal
I can't stop watching this. It's almost as if it is... riveting.
Beautiful work. Craftsmanship as applied through the trades industries is the bedrock of the global economy.
The funny thing is that the rivets cool down so quickly you can actually watch them go blue/black from white hot in just a few seconds. Amazing!
Once they are in the boiler plate they are in a huge heat sink and lose color quickly. I believe the curator of the Ornamental Metal Museum of Memphis told me steel turns red at about 1,600 degrees and stays red down to 900.
@@jockellis 1600 degrees celsius ?
@@jkbk121 •F
We used to light our cigarettes while we were working on the last one knocked in.😂
That is so awesome there is a modern video of this.
I learned how to do riveting 55 years ago watching Three Stooges movies.
Bucker up.
Bucker up!
Hey, I lost my buckaroo.
Well why didn't you hang on to it?
You knocked it out of my hands!
Why I outta.....
It's also how I learned how to remove a sore tooth, do construction work, take care of children...
That’s the only acceptable way to learn.
Hey BUCKER UP i said!
*snip snap tap tap silly sound*
_buckerup!_
Safety specs and Silencers. Hell yeah.
I am pretty happy that they've all got eyes and ears covered. Too many times doing that without any covering and you'd be in trouble
safeti is number one prioriti
I love seeing people taking care of their senses when working, too.
i did this for 3years before moving onto another job. where i worked it was so loud we had big press that would shake the air in the shop each time it was actioned. it was so loud you would shake from the inside of your body. many people coudnt last a half a day they would just go at noon and never come back. you were like shell shocked. we would all wear ear plugs and muff on top. but the vibration in the air shook your from the inside when you breathed. the air was also filled with black particule because when you got home and washed your hair the water was black.
i started working just to carry boxes and fetch tools and things at the shop store. i then moved onto the steam cleaning department and it was like working in a dishwasher. the whole room was hot and steamy with 3 big rotating machine cabinet that boiled water and washed the parts. it is the most tough job.
no woman complained about equality at those place...
Sounds like honest work. Never heard of Rosie the Riveter though?
@@mikkykyluc5804 is that the woman from the propaganda poster "woman strong" that didnt even last a day, quit then married off work?
I can imagine what the shop smells like, i love it!
Old technology doesn't automatically equate to bad technology. Riveted joints have their place.
Steam train boiler restoration.
Randy Sharp I'm a vegan boilers aren't vegan
josh mckinney I'm a meat eater and fuck you
Lzzz Incorporated [SVKL] I got some young kids chained up in my basement
josh mckinney il eat em
Lzzz Incorporated [SVKL] can't because I'm eating them right now
If you look at the rivet heads they have a "washer" behind them, this is caused by the rivet being to long or the snap/set is too shallow.
In my day they would have them fetched out or re-worked (not advisable) as the heads had to be perfect.
I agree with the comments about hard graft though and paying the price with my hearing now.
Grandfather told me about how they hot riveted skyscrapers before WWII
Real mans work. No excel or PowerPoint to be seen
Hello from Boilermakers Lodge 92. Nice job.
When those rivets cool there tighter than and bolts and seal in steam . thats how it was done before welding was invented .
Randy Sharp wrong rivets were only structural, the seams were generally bronze brazed
Randy Sharp lookup forge welding
Randy Sharp yes before welding and before structural bolts / high tensile strength bolts ( hard a325 & &A490 bolts replace rivets on a one for one basis
Daniel Bargas not for tanks and boilers
where?
Don't they already have a Brooklyn Bridge? Damn, that's some REAL rivets.
Definitely young mans work!
Holy shit what a loud job, hate to be the guy on the inside of the boiler.
Charles Dog I am the guy on the inside
Now that's what i call satisfying
Riveting.
Beautiful work, lost art too.
That's why it's called a rivet Buster
I wonder how many times this joke was said? That was a riveting!
256 people have no appreciation for hard work and built to last skills.
Jeff DIxon incorrect, I don't like it because it's not a good video for showing how riveting is really done. Several steps aren't even shown. Nor are we shown what that tool is really doing.
one person have no appreciation for todays-standard work and wants to live in 1900
joeskis Thank you for this explanation. Why do people always assume the worst and make social commentary and think that a dislike = anti [topic of video]
Thanks recommendations...I needed this...
Absolutely captivating. Riveting, even.
They're both using guns. That's interesting. I always thought one side would be someone holding a bucking bar.
How come this hasn't been automated yet?
Old school keep up the good work.
Wow! Never saw that before. Some serious heat.
so it shrinks while cooling.best way to put 2 sheets together
Its important to state that this is a dead trade, and not used today in the US, mainly because there is no way to test the integrity of a rivet like this .
Weggman Hillard RIP RMS Titanic
It is still used in shipyards to repair old ships and barges, even in the US.
That's what I call a boiler maker
Always wondered how they did the rivets on truck chassies and now i know.👍
those Pakistani's have that down to a science!!
What a riveting experience
It may just be the lighting, but the tools appear to be brass?
Wow, thanks for this video and thanks to everyone who has enabled us to cross Bridges and Ascend into skyscrapers.
I had to build a antique gate In work 200 x 8mm rivits by hand.I wish I had that gun then.couldn't feel my arm for to days.even tho there hot 200 is a pain in the ars
You can say this is quite “riveting”.
whata i want to know is how do they line up so many holes in the plate so accurate? i find that the amazing part of riveting. the fit must be so correct or eventually somewhere the drilling error would accumulate
It would be drilled after ie once a barrel is rolled then it would be drilled through both bits.
Absolutely riveting
Real Man Riveting for some kind of Old Boiler.
And that's how a REAL MAN rivets
Tony Graham "REAL MAN" are you saying men who's job is to use regular, conventional rivets don't have penises?
not so much : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosie_the_Riveter
Try riveting without the benefits of pneumatic tools ;)
So how does a FAKE MAN rivet?
Lol, real men know how to weld.
This is manly man's work
How many rivets in a train? How many trains ? That's a lot of hard work.
That some serious patchwork!
What's actually happening here? Is a hot rod being pushed through the hole and then mushroomed out by the hammer to capture it?
Wow, riveting stuff.
What size gun are you using there? Make and model?
Those guns look heavy and probably kick like a small jackhammer. You need good upper body strength to do that all day.
Well that was Riverting !
khanage666 Why so fucking low?
What do you mean?
khanage666 Just that your comment was underappreciated. Because it was funny. Don't mind it.
To be honest I'm sure someone else would've said it earlier on in the comments....Happy New Year mate
Riverting?
nothing is better than doing it by hand knowing that it was done right. We rely to much on machines and I think it would be better if we would go back to riveting like we use to banging the rivet by hand with a group of guys.
So this is how they make daleks
RARE FOOTAGE OF FACTORY WORKERS IN LONDON 1910, COLORIZED.
Tarik........Amazingly clear for 1910.......
If it was in London, the film would be colourised.
It's funny because the public steel works were able to actually survive and turn out a net profit.
@volcano hi Nah- the electrics would fail way before the rivets! :)
So that's how Aeroflot repairs their jets.
As opposed to LOT, where they just chew some bubble gum and spread a layer over the crack....
throngcleaver not jets these do to much drag
Indeed. Riveting is more economical.
Aeroflot? You guys have no idea what a shitty airline looks like. I remember flying with Transaero - now that was a bucket of bolts. Thank god it was an ancient 747, not a Tupolev or Antonov
Not true, Stan. Priest comes to bless plane and God holds the cracks together.
It's a principle without a future but it's very satisfying to look at.
Should be called "One of the ways riveting is done"
That's pretty cool!
this video has been very riveting
Hope they make a handsome wage because that looks like some tough work.
Im just thinking about the long term damage the vibration does to his hands...
Nah, not so bad. Ive been working on a jackhammer for a few months, i could "shake" it of pretty quick.
A lot of them guns are on sprung handles smiler to a chain saw
*My head is still pounding after hearing that...*
Incredible process...
Riveting
I always thought a boilermaker was a mug of beer with a shot glass of whiskey dropped in it.
So that's how it looks like in HD and with color.
must.. keep.. watching
I've been a steam locomotive fan almost my whole life but I still don't understand how rivets keep the steam in. At one time welding wasn't permitted but with modern NDT methods only good welds get approved so the boiler is safe.
The boiler plates keep the steam in, the rivets hold the plates together
My Dad was a riveter in Rosyth Dockyard one of the last intake
The information in this video is...
riveting.
Excellent job naseer Qatar
This is satisfying
That looks fun as hell
Amazing.
This definitely can't be used to defeat splicers.
That was awesome!
That is some intense shit.
Gives new meaning to "built like a brick s--t house" .....
Wow! This was riveting!
Double rivetted zigzag lap joint😃
That looks like one fun job.
That’s awesome cool video!!
Nice fun job. Bet ya in 5-10 yrs his joints are shot from the impacting.
Ok that was cool can we get a full shift? Lol
Wow that must be a giant AK!
It must really suck to be the guy in the inside, hot and loud. But on the plus side you are now deaf so you can't hear your wife nag.
BikerTrashWolf keeps warm in winter.
He's wearing ear protection bud.
Alex Scott I am sure he is, but even with double protection from plugs and muffs I bet it is still loud.
BikerTrashWolf Not really.I've done that kind of work.Muffs kill the noise and you keep your ear drums.Plugs are garbage,they cause ear infections.
plugs only cause infections if you use the wrong ones. I've noticed the multi sectioned plugs work better. They look like a bunch of backwards suction cups. Those pull out wax when you take them out. Never had issues as long as I clean them after use
Nice jobs sir
What is the guy on the other side doing?
This shit gives me goosebumps.
This. Is. Awesome.
I was on the phone with some at Pratt Whitney and i said.. What in the hell is that noise a damn gun?
The tool is fondly called a hell dog.
how is it held on the other side?