To me, the 5D Mk ii is the perfect balance between price and capabilities. 21 MP is still plenty enough in 2023 and for US$ 400-500 for the body, it is a very very good bargain. Even with a 50mm 1.8, it is capable to deliver very good results. And yes, the battery life is insane. I have two batteries and I can easily shoot several hundred shots at normal temperature.
@@Stan_the_Belgianthis week I picked up a mk ii for €200 with 2 batterys 1 original, strap, 3rd party battery grip, 64gb sandisk CF. Got the 50 1.8 STM for €50
I’m in LA fashion photographer and I use the 6D camera it’s awesome and I also can use it for shooting concerts because of its low light capabilities, nicely done video
Thanks for the video. I've been a professional Nikon shooter for decades (architectural and product photography) and was gifted a 7dii last year with a 50/1.8 kit lens. I was a bit shocked at the files I was seeing from the 7d, so I am interested in picking up a FF version to do more tests for some portrait style work. I've always been impressed with portrait images I see from some of my friends, so I think I'll pick up either a 5Dii or 6Di on your recommendation to give it a go. Thanks again for sharing your experience and opinions- it helps this Nikon shooter. (You mentioned the D700 in your video) I sold one of my copies but just couldn't let the other one go. I still shoot it from time to time- Amazing filmic style images.
I own both the 5D Classic and the 5D Mark II. I find myself picking up the 5D Classic much more than other cameras because of the beautiful color rendering and the sheer fun of using it.
Just ordered a used 6D for a hobby camera for traveling as my first camera. Seemed like the best compromise of quality images for the price for someone just getting into this as a hobby. Your videos have been a huge help. I traveling to New Orleans to try it out this weekend.
I have 5Dclassic also 5D3, 5Dclassic just nice image come out from camera and no need color grading in post pro but just editing exposure. 5D 3 has better auto focus and more big resolution
Ended up picking up 5D Mark II, about a month or so ago. That's after shooting all mirrorless up until then. Out of all the 5D's, I felt like the M2 would afford slightly better experience. Your video definitely helped.
I think these are great points. I used to shoot film 35mm and medium format. I still have the cameras around but its getting more and more expensive. I picked up another 5D Classic because it has that similar film look and wanted something that made me focus on pictures rather than the gear. Im planning on shooting the 5D more deliberately if that makes sense. With how cheap the Classic and M2 are now I plan on picking up a M2 later on.
Not really. You may have noticed that the picture you saw in ii is different when you processed in the computer. The JPEG embedded in the raw which is created by the engine similar to mark1. If you don't need post processing, the mark2 is better.
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Great video.! I owned all canon 5ds , except mk3. Since a very long time I shoot weddings all with my mk2. Its an awsome camera and I am emotionally bonded to it.What I like the most are the illuminated autofocus points in the vf. I just hate how they changed that on the mk3 and mk4.
My already old equipment that I used for several years and now they are retired is my already very worked 6D, 70-200 f4 NO IS and the 17-40 f4 are ideal for travel. The set turns out to be light (compared to the current one I have) and if for any reason it is lost or damaged it is not a big problem.
Great points and a great topic for a video. Anyone who’s either just getting into full frame, or like me, an advanced hobby shooter who’s not distracted by the latest flashy mirrorless thing, will appreciate this rundown. I went through this exact decision making process last year. Ended up with the 6D Mk1 for a screaming good deal and 800 shutter clicks (it was a pro’s backup camera). I’ll add that the wifi capability of the 6D to quickly upload photos onto my iphone has been game changing, something that’s only available stock on the 5D4. The 6D is a low light beast as you’d mentioned, and paired with my recently acquired canon 35mm 1.4 Mk2 lens, well, I’d put my photos up against any camera out today. All in, that pairing cost me less than $1500 US, which is simply unbelievable IMO. And with everyone today feeling that they NEED to go mirrorless, I say bring on the second hand deals on EF glass!
i agree completely, the EF glass as well is so good and so much of it around now to buy used. I think if you dont do video or specifically just portraits then mirrorless has little to offer and certainly no image quality improvement over cameras like the 6D.
I still have my mark 1 and 2 and a 6D. I agree that 6D does a nice job in low light high ISO. I recently got a 5Dsr. I saw a video (Gary Gough) where landscape photography results were compared; 5Dsr to the R5. Frankly I think the 5Dsr was quite good enough and all the new lenses and such for the R5 are a tad prohibitive plus there's a lot of EF L glass out there. Sure, for super fast things or whatever or a birds eyeball the R5 wins, but for the money it should. I will say one thing though nobody talks about all the space files take up. I mean looking at high resolution things, it really gets to be specialized uses and such. Not that I don't want all the resolution I can get, but there are serious diminishing returns as you get up there. Not a problem with the 5D classic.
I think the r5 has some focus advantages for moving subjects for things like landscapes there is little point going to mirrorless, maybe the tilt screen is nice but really you dont need it. The file size issues are absolutely real. I remember when i got my 5DS i was like wow im really churning through hard drive space now.
Great video. I agree, something about those 5D Classic photos that are special. Its a shame using one in modern times feels like going back to the dark ages, 5D Mark II is.much more usable. I also agree about the 6D. Fantastic camera I was shooting portraits with professionally up until a few years ago actually. I need to look for another one!
Hi Martin I own the Canon Mkiii and Mkiv and will never change them.They suit me and my landscape photography.I don't think I will ever switch over to the mirrorless system. Cheers
I have two 5D Mark II cameras and I love them (one is infrared converted). But I really like my Canon 5Ds. The RAW files are big, but I have a very powerful computer and lots of storage so that is not a problem.
Another great camera is the 1Ds, i have one from 2003, it has a full frame 11mp sensor, the jpg images looks so film like, almost like fuji negative film. The autofocus is also fast and accurate.
Hi Martin, recently stumbled on your channel. Loving the content you're putting out. I'm a baby compared to a lot of you guys, I have only ever shot mirrorless. I recently scored a 5D classic and it will be my first DSLR so I've been watching a lot of videos about it. I have a Fuji XT 3 and I'm super excited to compare it's output with the 5D's, especially since a lot of Fuji users talk about it's "film like quality"
Hi mate thanks I’ve shot with Fuji cameras too they are great, the best of the bunch for film-like output is easily the x pro1 I prefer the output from the 5d classic but the Fuji cameras are lovely to use. All the best!
I got a 5d mk ii and a 70d as my secondary camera for the video with the efs 10-18mm lens it has more benefits as well using the same digic sensor as the 5d mk III and lends itself better for certain things and broadens my tool kit further for certain situations but 9/10 times I'm always grabbing my 5d mk ii first.
I went for the 5D MK IV, from multiple 1D MK IV, went I stared to do more video work with the C300 and C300 MK II. Love the 4K video, yes I know its a x1.74 crop. AF options sre mind boggling on it.
The most special thing about the 5D classic was the way it blew highlights. Camera sensors typically have a threshold. If the light is brighter than the threshold, it turns white. The brightness range over which it happens is usually very small, almost abrupt. This is not aesthetically pleasing. The 5D handled the blowout in a delicate way. Instead going white suddenly , it happened gradually over a wider tonal range giving it that soft diffused creamy look. I have owned the classic, the mk II and now the III. To me the classic was the most special of the three.
Forgot to mention Martin, I used my son's 6D on many occasions for taking landscape and wildlife shots. It's a gem of a camera indeed. Excellent ISO performance, good dynamic range, beautiful colors - in a nutshell, it's a joy to use. Its video capability is also fantastic though, I used it very little. He sold it out in favor of 5DIII. I feel like buying one in the used market and enjoy its great services again. BTW, could you kindly do a short video on Canon 1Ds Mark III? I'm curious about that camera as I really love old DSLRs. Though I'm a hobbyist, cannot live without taking shots with my cameras even for a single day. FYI, I use 5D Classic, 5DII, 1DIV and 7D. Thank you.
Quazi, great to hear from you again, i think the sensor on the 6d is better than the 5diii but the 5diii is a better camera body as such and has much better focus system. Both are good though. The 1ds mark iii seems to be excellent but its not a camera i have experience with so i cant make a video about it. I wouldnt mind owning one though i wonder how much they cost used.....looking....
I have old 30d with same AF sensor like 5Dmk1 and the accuracy is terrible however I love how pictures looks from this camera. Now I got chance to buy cheep used Canon 5DmkIV and I totally love it. What is great for me , on live view it focuses very well even on lenses which have problem on precise focus, like old Sigmas, however if I wlll have spare few bucks, I will buy used Canon 6D mk1 as the pictures how they looks, reminds me old 30D and 5Dmk1
I just picked up a 5D mark II and like you said, it has very pleasant earthy tones straight out of camera. I was actually shocked when I took my first picture, the red orange brown fur of my dog contrasted very pleasingly with the bluer light from the window to the point where I almost didn't create a custom picture profile, just because the standard output alone looked so good. I definitely will be keeping this camera for a very long time, even if it's pushing 16 years old.
coming from the film era i initially had a reluctance to go digital. i eventually decided the 5d classic might be the ideal digital camera for me. however, after viewing this video (among others, and incl reading a few articles) i decided that, all things considered, it might be the 5d mark 2 that would be for me. and so i obtained the 5d mark 2 (although i have yet to try it out).
I still love shooting with my 5D Classic and Mk II because of the whole shooting experience. I definitely prefer the buttons on the back of the 5's compared to the 6D1. If I know I'll be in a darker room, I bring the 6D. For outdoors, I like the look of the Classic and sometimes I'll bring both 5's and compare shots in the same environment. The image differences are subtle most of the time, but whenever there's a genuine difference, the Classic tends to be my favorite "look".
It was interesting to hear your praise of the 6D. I’ve had mine for 10 years and am now looking for an upgrade. My main issues are poor AF performance in low light and sensor low light performance. Non professional photographic use, but sometimes take work photos in tunnels which are often very dark. Would you say there is no low light performance increase in the mkIV relative to the 6D?
@@MartinCasteinWow. That's impressive. I have a 5D classic and 6D 'classic'. Have thought about getting a more pro body like a 5DIV but it seems I don't have much to gain from that. Maybe I'll look out to the 1Dx side of things for extra build and maybe better sensor than the mkIV if lucky.. but you've made me tempted by the Nikon D800 for the ridiculous price they go for. I just don't want several lens mounts.. maybe I could just throw a 50 on it or get lucky with a good deal. It's dynamic range and build is hard to come by in Canon, even among the new stuff today. My roommate uses Nikon and I really like the mag alloy portrait grip D2xs. My 5D ends up as the beater camera since it's a little less valuable if it goes over a cliff or underwater.
out of these, I have 5D mk4 and 6D...love them both. even though 5D is much better in terms of focus, built quality, image quality, 6D feels better in the hand, and using buttons is quite easier, can do everything with one hand.Battery life better on 6D. Also I do less work in lightroom with 5D for some reason.
Do your images retain the "creamy look" when editing? What can you do and what can't you do so you don't lose it? Color Checker Passport is probably out of the question? My only cameras are 5d and 5dII, love them both. I am going to look at the 6dI thanks so much.
Hi Rees, most it retains that creamy look but it depends a bit on lighting too, if all your light is relatively hard light then it goes to some degree, what i mean creamy it is hard for me to define really but its a type of smoothness to the tones. the 6d1 is good for this too, i think you should keep your 5d and 5dii as well if you can though. they are all different and good cameras.
Interesting reflexion on the 5D evolution. I see many parallels to my experience. Recently I edited some old photos from the 5D2 and I am surprised how nice it is working with the files. I really liked working with the 5D2 … and still sell photos from that files to magazines. For me the 5D3 was the big disappointment. There were some significant improvements (like AF and DR) but I didn’t like working with the files. Compared to the 5D2 it was more effort to get the colours I wanted (and was used to). The 5D2 helped me to let go of film. In the beginning I also felt disappointed by 5D4. I think we all were hoping for something really WOW - maybe like a perfected D850 (w/o the flaws like the AF). Instead we got a refined 5D3 (=5D4) and an inferior 5DS(R). Non of my colleagues upgraded to the 5D4 and all who bought the the 5DS(R) for portrait or fashion sold it soon again. Using the 5D4 didn’t inspire me. It was the downbeat camera I ever bought. Today, after 4 years work with 5D4, I really appreciate this camera. Already when I bought it I enjoyed working with the files. I believe the colours on this camera represent the best compromise between fairly good DR, noise level and good colours. The AF is very precise, body very robust and its ergonomic is perfect. It never let me down, not even under very extrem conditions. The new LP-N6NH batteries improve the battery life and I find the 30MP a sweet spot. It is an interesting phenomena that the 5D4 get less attention and has actually no (good) reputation - despite the fact of being an excellent DSLR. I use mirrorless systems (Fuji) as well but I still prefer working with the OVF. I have used the R5 several times and didn’t like the files. The IQ of the 5D4 is in 95% of my used cases very similar to the R5 (resolution aside and I hardly need as much DR as the R5 offers). The costs of migrating to the RF platform are very high and at this point I cannot justify it. The 5D4 together with excellent EF glass does the job very well. I will continue to deliver with the 5D4 the next years to come and will most probably migrate to another platform. Unless Canon surprises with the perfect DSLR … ;)
I keep the first 5D in service as a unique camera (sensor) . I agree that every pixel on this sensor is informative , has a clear border of information with tone contrast. Which forced me to switch from a more modern crop to this camera at the time. But surprisingly, in the photo from the Leica 10 M40 megapixel camera, I saw a mess of pixels when approaching, since I used to have it on the crop саmera. What forces Leica to follow the marketing path in this is unclear, they already have 60 Mp in the M11 camera! Now I'm starting to think that the first 6 is also unique. Not as much as 5, in terms of color transfer (for example, blue shades), but still. All this becomes clear only after some time and experience using different cameras
absolutely, the 5d is very forgiving on lenses due to its low megapixel count too. which always helps, the 6d is a particularly good camera, its my recommendation for those looking for a modern next best thing to the 5d that doesnt lose too much of what the 5d had.
I've heard it said the 6D mark I is considered the low light king. I have that camera, and a 5d Mark I and III, and i can't disagree. It is a highly underrated camera.
Hi Martin! I just discovered your channel and it’s amazing the amount of knowledge you share! Thanks a lot!! My question is: I had a Canon 5D classic but I sold it. Since then I’ve been trying to replicate these wonderful colors but I’m not able to do so with any other camera. I’ve shot NIkon, Fujifilm, Sony and more modern Canons… do you think there’s another color rendition out there (for skin tones and that pleasing images) in any other camera? Do you think with an old Nikon D700 I could emulate that? My channel is about photography and I shoot film and analyze cameras of that era but also ‘old’ digital cameras and some more recent ones. Thanks in advance!! Keep up the great job!!
@@MartinCastein Hi Martin! Thanks for the quick response!! No, I haven’t tried it!! But, watching your videos it should be the next step I think! In my mind, I thought that the image rendition had to be with that CCD sensors (I had some CCD in Nikon also and loved them) but if you tell me so, it should be the next step! Thanks again! I already subscribed!!
With the 5D I always had problems with bad precision of the AF. I skipped the 5D II, because the AF of this cam was not improved. The 5D III has a great AF. I use it for sports till today.
5DII is my favourate for portraits!!! I love it cause of the smooth tones 😊. The MK IV was never for me. Battery life in the III is soooo great. I have an external GPS receiver 😂.
Interesting what you said about the 6D Martin. I only shoot for fun, and on an extreme budget, so it's helpful to hear your considerations. It would likely take a phenomenal camera to stop me investing any saved monies on my first fixed-prime L-glass (300mm f/4); and staying with my beloved 5D Mk-1. But who knows what's around the corner ?
thanks for your comment. If you are on an extreme budget i would NOT upgrade or change your camera gear. you can do what you need to with the gear you have now. Spend/save your money for more important things :)
I own both mark 1 and mark 2. Have used Mark III as well. All of them are great cameras. However, somehow the images produced by Mark I or Classic look nicer and pleasing to my eyes.
Thank you Martin. I bought the classic last year for around 300 US dollars after desperate search. I can clearly feel; it's making me a better photographer. As a hobbyist, I shoot landscape mostly with this camera and occasional indoor portraits. Would like to start street and lifestyle photography soon as well. I'm confident this old gold will shine. I also shoot wildlife a lot, in fact that's my main passion. Use 1DIV and 7D for these purposes with quality native tele lenses. However, out of curiosity, I tried 5DII for shooting static birds. The results were excellent.
The 5d is excellent for street photography too. I think it really do everything pretty well, thanks for your comments it’s great to know what others are doing and their experiences
Martin - slightly different angle. I was considering a 5D II for landscape and portraiture photography as I only have crop bodies. But, now potentially considering a used 1Dx (mark 1) due to the better screen, better AF etc. My logic is that I can pair the 1Dx up with my 500mm F4 that just arrived for motorsports photography, and the 5D II won't really do too good with that genre lol. I know the original 1Dx is only 18mp (vs 22mp with the 5D II), but I've been toying with going the 1Dx route. An alternative is to get a 7D II and 5D II for birding/sports and landscape/portraiture. The latter is a cheaper option and the 7D II has the same weather sealing and AF as the 1Dx. My 60D's AF is just not good enough imho, so the 7D II was intended as a cheaper option to tide me over until I can afford a R7. If I went with the 1Dx, I'd lose that crop factor and leave me with 500mm reach only (as opposed to 800mm on a 1.6x crop body). I'm toying with the idea of the 1Dx and just putting up with the 60D and upgrading directly to the R7 when funds allow. I can't quite make my mind up as to which strategy is the best option for me. Any suggestions?
5d ii would be horrible for motor sports, excellent for portraits. It depends a LOT on what is your main genre. Im guessing its motor sport based on you buying a 500mm lens. In that instance id tell you to wait till you can afford the R7 and put up with the 60d till then. The reason is youll actually end up with the R7 sooner rather than later if you just wait. At that point id use the R7 for portraits and not worry about it or save for a 5d ii or 6d 1 after that. Id just wait though because the R7 autofocus will massively improve your hit rate for motor sports.
@@MartinCastein my main genre is actually macrophotography (Insects & Arachnids), but I love motorsports (especially F1) but I am getting more seriously into birding photography and the 500mm was purchased really for that to be honest. Being able to use the 500mm for motorsports is a clever thing on my part in terms of choosing this lens (well, I tell myself it's clever lol). The problem is that I also want to get more into portraiture and landscape photography (I like most genres of photography to be honest) and the 60D/R7 are limiting in that respect due to their crop factor nature. The 60D's high ISO performance is meh, although DXO Pure RAW does an awesome job of cleaning the files up imho. That's why I was considering the 5D II or possibly the 1Dx as a higher end dual purpose landscape/portraiture/motorsports camera. :-) The R7 will be for birding, due to that crop factor giving me more reach and that wonderful bird eye AF.
you need 2 cameras, the R7 is clearly one of the cameras perfect for you. the other would be some kind of full frame so id head towards those two only. as for a full frame i think its really up to you. I feel like you trying to cover it all with the 1dx but that it will be redundant when you get the r7 one day ?
@@MartinCastein possibly so, that's the dilemma. Many use the 1Dx for motorsport photography, and reach isn't quite as important as birding I feel. So I was logically thinking that the 1Dx would be fine at 500mm reach for motorsport photography (full frame, no extended crop reach). I don't think I'd want to use the R7 for motorsport - concerns over reliability and robustness. Kind of a difficult spot cos I like several genres of photography.
That really is where you end up owning several cameras. Thats normal. Just work your way towards them all in order of priority, though i do understand you. The 1dx could probably be your jack of all trades here. Difficult choices.
Thx for your informative and real review across these bodies Martin. I've mentioned previously how I use a 5D for my daily camera and won't ever part with that. My question is, would the 6D be a nice camera body to run along side my 5D as my experience and skills improve? To be honest I'm not too interested in a thousand gozillian button and menus to scroll through before I press the shutter button! At the moment I just need centre focus, iso, f stop and shutter speed to deal with. 😂 Cheers
@@MartinCastein thx for the reply! . I've already watched your info regarding the RP (which was great by the way) So my question is, only one body to be a "jack of all trades, so to speak" and produce natural looking raw images straight out the body. No interest in video quality or work. RP+adapter or the 6D? 😁
An used Canon 5d ii ( 21000 shutter actuations)with 50 mm 1.8 vs a new Sony A6000 with 16-50 kit lens comes with the same price - they come with the same price available here . Which one should I choose mainly for stills ? I am torn between the two because I love Canon colours and build quality while the Sony, much advanced in technology, feels like a toy which might break if I become careless for a moment.
I'm really tempted to use my 5D classic for upcoming weddings. I would like to take photos with a different style than I would have when shooting with my A7iii, not paying attention to the technology, the burst of shots, the super precise autofocus and other things. Yes, it might be crazy to shoot with the 5D instead of the A7iii, but the feeling I have shooting with the Classic is beyond. Even the look is really different in the photos. Knowing that to shoot weddings with the Classic I would have to get another one as a backup, in your opinion is it recommended to shoot with the 5Dc nowadays for weddings?
For portraits, nothing beats my 5D classic. I'm not sure what the reason for this is but I suspect that this camera hits a sweet spot in terms of pixel density and size. Portraits shot on the classic just 'pop'. Skin tones are gorgeous and there's a beautiful softness to the out of focus areas, yet elements in sharp focus jump out; produces a sort of 3d effect. The colours are also gorgeous - not true to life but they have a Kodak Portra feel to them. The 5D III has wonderful build quality and is available at a brilliant price for the features. RAW files from this camera are over sharpened though - they have a horrible 'crispy' aesthetic and there are issues with banding and moiré style noise patterns in shadow areas - even at moderate ISOs. The 5D IV image quality is outstanding! But for me it loses character. The files are very clean and colours are accurate and true, but it's not very exciting to use. The build quality also seems to have taken a bit of a hit. Weather sealing is supposedly better, but the main and rear control dials use plastic bearings and feel quite cheap. The body housing also seems to scuff very easily.
A very insightful video and probably the most informative that I have seen about the 5D series evolution......5D4 was not commented much, considering that is the last of the 5D series....so, in your opinion, how does image quality, colour rendition and tone compare with the previous models and the 6D 1? Perhaps one for another video.
well i personally prefer the image from the 6d 1 over the 5d4 by a fair bit, i think the 5d4 thing is a bit difficult for me to review because I was pretty disappointed with it. Not that there was anything much wrong with it but it felt at the time that canon did as little as possible with it. Thats probably a bit unfair but thats what it felt like from a photography perspective. The colours got a bit worse as well going more to a green tint. Its a very good camera but if you judge it at its time it felt like an update where canon realised they had to do something but didnt really want to.
@@MartinCastein thanks Martin. That's really useful...I have captured some great landscape, wildlife & macro shots with the 5D4....although i am trying to understand how its image quality differs ..I am preferring the image quality of 5D2 over the 5D4...and finding i am getting more portfolio shots...example, macro shot of leaf on frozen log "pops out" more or boat on foreground "pops our" more...whereas 5D4 image looks flat...and colours are richer...hard to explain. My experience of 6D1 has overall produces nicer image than 5D4..especially portraits...although .the AF drives me nuts sometimes missing focus especially with primes lenses & wildlife....its wierd as finding better image quality with the older gear....I am trying to use 5D4, 5D2 and 6D1 to their strengths & capabilities....dare I say, sell the 5D4. Thanks for sharing your experience with the 5D4. Very useful and your videos are very informative....Great to see videos not promoting the latest tech.
My advice is to keep the 5d4 and use it for anything that you need better autofocus for, the only way with the 6d1 and 5d ii is to overshoot everything so you take more pictures and have a higher hit rate like that.
I loved using my mentor's 6D mark i when I was learning, almost got one myself but got a 5D mark iii instead off KEH. This weekend would be my first time using it aside from a few test shots so we'll see how it goes. I actually got to use one for my sister's maternity shoot and it was wonderful, but I was sold on the 6D until I realized that personally, for me to be a true professional, my clients' files must be safe immediately after they are taken. If that 6D had dual card slots I would have gotten it in a heartbeat.. all in all, two incredible cameras, but the 5D mark iii is just that much more professional. Also I've heard that the 5D mark iii is the tank of tanks, been the bread and butter for weddings photographers for a decade and can take a serious beating. Great video! Sad to hear that the files are the worst of the bunch, somewhat objectively as well.. but at least there are workarounds.
Yes I completely understand your point of view here my choice for work where it’s critical such as you are doing would be the mark iii as well and it’s a lovely camera still. I’d still like one and might get another I keep looking at them. These are all good cameras for different reasons the markiii had all the pro features and handling too the ergonomics are beautiful
@@MartinCastein thank you for responding. I think I’ll be getting a 5D classic for leisure because I absolutely need to experience those colours myself. I keep hearing about that magic.
Thanks. I should perhaps read all the comments before asking. But hear I go. Which canon lens(ses) would be most suitable for the classic one? The sigma art 35, Canon 50/1.2L or the 50/1.8, or it doesn’t matter?. I am comfortable with manual focussing for my limited work. The image quality straight out the camera is what I am looking at.
@@MartinCastein , people mainly. Also nature including landscapes. Not much of action. Sometimes functions as an honorary photographer. I have a 5D. Want to know the optimum set of lenses that would match its capability best. Best use of its sensor. Thanks..
Id avoid sigma on the 5d classic as you have no option to adjust its focus correction unless you get the dock for sigma then maybe it would work and you could look at that too. Budget setup: 17-40 f4 for landscape 50mm 1.8 stm for portraits. you could start with this then build from the lists below. middle setups: 17-40f4 for landscapes for portraits: 85mm 1.8 50mm 1.8 35mm f2 is. More expensive/better setup: 16-35f4is for landscapes for portraits: 85mm 1.2 50mm 1.2 35mm 1.4ii For landscapes you really need a wide zoom, for portraits you want to be in the 35,50 85 areas. you could mix and match.
Hello Martin! Long time photographer here and new subscriber to your channel! Thank you so much for all of the brilliant content. It is very, very helpful and interesting! I have 2 cameras, the R5 and 5Dmiii. Ive ordered the 5D and was wondering what your opinion is of the EF 24-70mm f4 L IS USM lens for the 5D? I also have an EF 50mm f1.8 STM lens as well. Thanks so much for your input and best to you for continued success with your channel! Rick Pascale Phoenix, AZ USA
im glad my video is useful to you, the 24-70 f4 is usm is a bit of a funny one, i found mine just seemed very soft and not in a nice way, i think it may have been an issue with my lens in particular though, so id say try it anyway.
@@MartinCastein Thank you Martin! Would you rule out any 5D bodies that dont have the supports built in for the mirror? Ive read that some without the supports have fallen off. What is your opinion on this? Do you think the EF 50mm f1.8 mark 2 is a good lens for the 5D? Thanks again!!
@@greyhoundrick5568 mine doesnt have the mirror support but if you can get one with thats better. i mean, you just have to decide if its going to annoy you a lot if it breaks like that, mine hasnt yet.
What was the main reason (or multiple) you used Nikon D600 so much more for weddings than 5Diii - AF performance, the look of the files, banding, or something with the colors?
the button layout such as being able to assign minimum shutter speed in auto auto iso aperture priorty to a button and being able to change that in 1/3rd of a stop i use that all the time. Spot metering on a button linked to the active focus point. Better dynamic range. 2 sd card slots, better battery life. better colour in mixed lighting conditions. better flash system. better focus with the flash system in low light. better range of 1.8 primes by a long way. turn on auto iso with one button press and dial turn not have to scroll all the way to iso 100 then to auto iso. better screen on the back, better 24-70 in terms of price and performance, just under the canon mark ii but a lot cheaper. 2x d600 with 28mm 1.8g and 85mm 1.8g is a really nice setup for weddings. the 1.8g range is a modern lens which performs well but being able to deal with a backlit situation with a fraction of a second to react is just a press on one of the two front buttons to spot meter and its linked to the focus point, i used to use that all the time. its all those thigns i mentioned though added up.
@@MartinCastein awesome feedback, thank you!! For weddings I guess the D700 lacked U1/U2 custom modes, only one card slot, heavier and more expensive, right? Or the AF was slower too? Have you tried and is it worth using Tamron/Sigma 24-70 & 70-200 f2.8 zooms, or were they slower in focus or accuracy or something else that favored native Canon/Nikon lenses?
@@Edgars.Z The d700 is an excellent camera but the dynamic range is genuinely useful on the d600, not vital but its useful, so is the increase in megapixels so you can crop more with less drop in resolution. 24mp is just right on full frame i think. AF was good on the d700, id stick to the nikon lenses always personally because you dont want to have too many missed focus shots with 3rd party lenses.
i should add the, 5diii is very capable, i just feel as a whole package nikon suited me more, of course in the end its just a camera and you can shoot great work on anything as long as you are used to it. I felt the d600 had the better user experience for the way I shoot as i use aperture priortity and auto iso heavily at weddings, preferring to concentrate on moments as there isnt much time if any to change settings often. I do use manual mode a fair bit too for weddings where all cameras become equal again, its jjust the superior interface for aperture priority auto iso that swung it most for me.
Martin just another quick questions as I've just watched this again. You mention the tartan like banding. I've been noticing that recently in post (landscape) when editing my 5D files. Majority of the time it's within the foreground of darker trees, shadows, bushes etc. When I first started to this this I was really disappointing with my technique I was think what was causing it as I'd like to advance and create a better file. Is it simply a case of being slightly under exposed for the conditions or is there something else I should try to adjust, look into etc. Thx. P.s. forgot to mention. It's more noticeable when I expand and zoom into the area, it looks just as you mentioned "tartan"
Its a limit of the dynamic range ulitmately. The highlight retention of the 5d is pretty good so its best to expose really far to the right as you already know, but when you look at your histogram if you are still getting a lot of bunching up on the left that signifies a lot of shadow data, it can be worth taking another shot for the shadows as well and combining them. its definitely something you can learn to work with though and in lightroom or whatever your raw editor is you can reduce it somewhat with color noise reduction, its a different slider to noise reduction slider.
I was gifted the 5DSR, and while it takes amazing photos during the day, with 6400 top ISO, it struggles in low light (typically indoors). Since it also came with a bunch of lenses, I'm trying to stay with Canon. Should I invest in wider lenses to make this camera work in low light, or just accept its limitations and add a second body like the 6D-M1 for low light photography? Thanks! Just to add: since this camera appears very niche, and it is in like-new condition, should I just trade it in towards a more all-around camera or keep it? I don't specialize in any genre. I mostly take family and trips photos at the moment.
The thing I liked with that canon 5ds/r range was that canon didnt apply noise reduction the raw files. So often you see people, mostly canon shooters, say that as you increase ISO you lose detail, thats false because that only happens if noise reduction is applied. If you downres for export some of the noise will be lost. If you are shooting a lot at higher iso levels indoors you might prefer a 5dmark iv though. If you go any lower than that while you might have better low light you feel its a step back in other ways probably. So I would only consider the change if you do indoor shooting often and then id probably only look at the 5d iv.
@MartinCastein but even used, the 5d mark iv is so expensive, more than a new R8 and just a little less than a new R6 mark ii. Wouldn't it make more sense to just move to mirrorless at that point and get the eye tracking AF, IBIS...? Is the color science in the 5 series that much better that it's worth it to remain tethered to older technology indefinitely?
is it really, i didnt know it was so much used now, well go for an r6ii then and get an adapter for you lenses until you get the new ones. The new technology is absolutely worth owning if it fits with what you are doing. I do the same, the old cameras are a hobby thing for me.
6D has one MASSIVE issue for me, the 1/4000 shutter. It makes shooting the 1.2s and even 1.4s outdoors a bit of a pain. 50 iso helps a bit but I dread the thought of having to pfaff about with nd filters.
I owned the 5DII. I always liked the images. However, you had to make sure your exposure was spot on, as any attempt at lifting shadow areas and you get terrible noise and artifacts. Eventually, I went over to Sony, as their sensors were so much better, especially in the shadows.
@@Fontsman-14 the a7rv colour is actually really good, i think most of the cameras before were not so good but the 5d ii etc are just special, different, but it depends if you like it and how much you like it. i really like it a lot. for me though these older cameras are in additional to modern cameras. i use a z8 for work, i like these older cameras for fun.
I haven’t shot the 5D Classic, but I will never part with my 5D MK 2 because it has beautiful color. 5D MK 2 was the camera that made me quit shooting film. Great video!
Hi Martin, I would like to ask you what do you think would be the best choice between the 6D mark 1 and the new Eos R, I'm currently using the canon eos 200D and I would like to try the full frame, I'm not a professional photographer I just shoot from time to time I like photography in general, I already shot a wedding and some anniversaries and I'm planing to stick with this kind of photography and probably some architecture and landscape photography but most will be portraits(environmental portraits) weddings stuff like that, what would you advice me, thanks a lot.
Hi, id go for the eos R given that choice because it will be better at wedding photography and the focus system is miles better. When im talking about these classic cameras there is a difference between paid work and personal work and Id be selective as to when id use them. Id choose practicality over better rendering most of the time as soon as its anything more critical but that would still depend. You can easily shoot a wedding on a 6d mark 1, its actually really good for it, its just the eos r focus is that much better and you can get the camera away from your face and easily get other angles.
Hey thanks for the great depth of your review info👍🏻 Do you know a way of tethering a 5D MK1 for studio work? I've heard the software is unavailable or the camera just couldn't do it??
Great video again. Initially I wanted a 5d classic but for the reasons you've mentioned abt better daily usability and the fact that I found a basically new 5d mk ii with 1,200 clicks for €400 I opted for the latter. Great camera I miss the grain ppl been talking abt with the classic tho. What's your take on the 5d mk ii with the canon 50mm 1.8 mk ii?
the 50mm 1.8ii is a good lens and will pair well with your 5dii, keep the 5dii its a very very good camera indeed. you could add a mk1 one day but i do think the mk1 is more of a luxury to own in a sense whereas the mkii has wonderful output all of its own.
@@MartinCastein Thanks Martin! Happy to hear the 50mm mkii is a great fit for the 5d mkii as I don't think the 50mm 1.4 is much of an upgrade apart from the price and the 1.2 is just not what I'm willing to spend currently.
I dont really like the 50mm 1.4 from canon, the 1.8 is good as is the 1.2 i have 1.2 but id only get it if you make money from photography AND you use 50mm an awful lot. For everything else the 501.8 is more than enough.
@@MartinCasteinI have all 3 gens of the 50 1.8 and from what I can tell, they're identical for stills. I think the 1987-88 model is the best built and with good manual focusing, DOF chart, and no shutter button tap needed. STM second hand is still a much better feeling lens than the II, but it takes all the same images. Stop down to F4 and it's plenty sharp for most everything. Edit: IF the 50 1.8 isn't enough, just get a sigma art 50 1.4 over the other canon offerings. Much better for the price.
the only thing that annoys me about 5d3 when it comes to portraits is that it is very focused on reflexes, which often results in too much green on the face, if you shoot in the forest or near plants, it seems like 5d2 doesn't notice these reflexes and shadows of leaves etc. what do you think about this? can this be avoided?
I am a great follower of you. I have a canon 5d mark 1. I would like to know how it behaves for the canon 24-70 2.8 series l lens and with 24-70 f4. Also with the 70-200 f4 first edition, thank you very much
thank you! the 24-70 2.8 mark 1 is excellent i have a video on my channel for it, the 24-70 f4 i have owned and i dont rate it, its just soft but sort of weird as well i never liked it. the 70-200 f4 first edition is excellent too i have a video about that too!
Fantastic, finally found someone who reviews in the right way. Thankyou. I love love my 5D2 but autofocus too unreliable for lots of jobs. Upgraded to 5D3 & exactly as you say, if in very controlled situation can produce stunning range & depth of colors. BUT so ugly if lighter backgrounds, horrible cut out effect around edges, blown banding highlights , so much work post. I still love my 5d2,s but always looking for better focus. So thanks so much for review that talks about quality produced by sensor.. not just technical.. it’s something not talked about enough. f.
I think they should have simply upgraded the focus on the 5d ii, keeping the same focus from the mark 1 was lazy but it was otherwise a good camera. 5diii added loads of useful stuff but removed a few things too, thats the canon way unfortunately.
What is your opinion on the Canon 50mm 1.2 L lens on the Classic? I know this lens can be out of focus and compensated for on a model like the 5d Mk IV with the focus micro adjust setting in the camera. But how about on the Classic?
This video is perfect for my situation. Will watch again. Can you recommend either the 5D2 or 5D4, for photo use only? Mainly portraits, landscapes, cars. Price is no object, I can afford both. I just want the better colors/pictures. Also is there a work around on the manual focus only in video mode on the 5D2? I cannot believe it does have autofocus in video mode! Thank you!
Hi, I'm thinking of buying a 5D classic, and it's how I found your channel, and I'm loving it so far... Sorry if this is a basic question, but it's something that I've long been confused about. When you talk about how the files look, are you only referring to jpegs or do raw files look different too?
I have a question: My 5dii has a very nice look at the images and it can literally see in the dark. But this isn't an advantage when the AF is absolutely horrible IMO. Furthermore it is heavy, almost too bulky and the shutter is..loud. Is the D600 Nikon any better or where do you see differences? Thank you a lot in advance
don't know if this is still useful to you but I had both, and the D600 has a much better focusing system. It also has a pleasing skin tone to me vs newer Nikons after the d750. I'd say though go for the D610 if you want Nikon, the d600 had an oil splatter issue on the sensor that would accrue from use, they fixed it in the d610.
@@MartinCasteinThanks Martin. Why the 80d compared to others, the 7d i or ii for example? Are the colours comparable to any of the 5d generations or 6d? I have the 5d classic and love it. I want to add an APS-C camera to my kit for wildlife photography. Thank you again for your advice
Hello there, nice detailed video. I want a camera with a good price like this & I'm aiming at using the camera to connect it to my pc & be able to get a nice quality & a blur background & having 30 fps out of it for purpose of making UA-cam videos, how do you feel about whether it could suit my needs or I should get something else instead. What's your suggestions over this or such other models like, EOS 7D, 1200D III, EOS 4000D? Is it also supported by their "EOS Webcam Utility Software" or I should get a capture card? I'd be really appreciated if u could guide me through. TYSM
save for an M50. you need or will definitely want to have dual pixel autofocus. I think 60d has that too. You will also want a front facing flip screen Without that you will suffer making youtube videos and be better off using a mobile phone to record.
I believe the "look" people are talking about with film and the 5D series, is how the photos look almost fake, as if they were either drawn or made with CGI. And honestly, I can see it in the 5D series, it's not "filmlike" but it has that "fake" look people want, the mark I and II along with the others have that look and I love it.
yeah it needs a different word to filmlike, not fake either but i know what you mean, it just needs a better word to describe it and i cant think of any
Hi, I have a canon 80d, I am looking to go for a full frame camera, I have a £1000 to spend, I looked into lot of used cameras, I mainly torn between nikond800 and 5d mark iii, any suggestions on the given budget? I shoot mostly portraits. Any other setup is also appreciated. Thank you.
Hi Rakesh, If you shoot mostly portraits I’d push you towards the canon but either are fine really. Canon has better skin tones but honestly get the one you feel most drawn towards and you will be fine.
I spoilt myself with a 1dx MK3 with 50k actuations. Any benefit buying any of the 5D for a 1dx owner? (I know that AF and low light will better with the DX but how about the rest such as IQ etc? Thank you)
well, its a different rendering, youll find it very slow and very frustrating but pleasing when you get it right. its nice for personal work where you want a more interesting rendering, its an unforgiving and harder camera to work with. I like that.
5d2 really gives more pleasant shades in very limited subjects and ideal conditions, for example golden hour and portrait with good natural light. in other respects 5d3 is better, faster, more accurate, more convenient, less defective and just more pleasant to work with. basically I don't see any difference in colors, or it is insignificant. plus with 5d3 there are much less overexposures, I use d+ mode. for technical shooting (for example I photograph furniture in a workshop with not very good light) 5d3 is definitely better and more convenient, but selling 5d2 for pennies probably doesn't make sense, let it remain for posterity!
Great video - thanks for detailed & insightful overview! I have two 5D classics, and have been debating whether to try a mkII or mkIII.. Sounds like 5DmkII or else 6D would be great to check out. A friend has the Tamron 24-70 lens for sale. Do you think that is a good lens to pair with one of these bodies?
Yes it would be the tamron is always highly rated from what I’ve seen but must state I haven’t used it but I have friends that have it and rate it for what that’s worth
i didnt, i had card failures with SD cards on the fuji xt1 which fried the card and smoke coming out of the camera and i think the other died in my canon 6d if i remember correctly but that was a lexar card.
@@MartinCastein after shooting in digital in one form or another for 25 years. The only card failure I had was on a SD card in a Samsung point & shoot that I was able to recover the files after running some program on my Mac.
How are the colours on the 5d mark III compared to the first one? I'm thinking about forgoing the mark II in favour of better colours with a mark III. Is it worth it?
@@MartinCastein I just wrote a longer reply but I lost it due to youtube being youtube... That's interesting to hear. Had me looking into image quality comparisons (done by dpreview, although of course it's not the same as real life use) - and I can see where you're coming from. I was looking into the 6d (mark I) as well. It seems to be doing better in terms of both iso and colours (it almost has a film like quality to it as well). Now I'll be looking into how it does in terms of AF. I do shoot primes (one of which is 1,2). Given it's current price point it sure looks like a bargain (if I can find one; people seem to be holding on to it). Thanks for the input!
I see you've done a couple of videos on it recently. I'll have a look. Thanks! Edit: had another listen to this video and I must have dozed off at the end^^ I'll surely be getting a 6d if I can manage it
Youll be better with the 6d than the mark ii for 1.2 lenses, id still have you think about the mark 3 though if you shoot a lot at 1.2 due to the better focus of the outer focus points. IF you shoot almost exclusively at 1.2 or 80% of your work is at f1.2 id get the mark iii.
I currently have the Sony A6000 but would like to move up to full frame for better low light image quality would anyone recommend the 5d mk2 or 6d over my Sony or even the Nikon D600 ?
well if you want better iso if you can id go for a 6d mark 1. if not then either a d600 or 5d mark ii kind of depends what you shoot, i prefer 5d for portraits and d600 for landsapes kind of but you can do well with either.
@@MartinCastein thanks for the reply ! I’d like to get into weddings so I was thinking the Nikon may be the best option with it having dual card slots. The shots you did with the 5d mk1 are awesome. I always wanted a 5d classic but today they do seem left behind but as you say the image quality is all that matters.
Ah for weddings id get the d600 all day long mate, they are real workhorse cameras that are very good all-rounders with 2 card slots and massive battery life. The lit focus points are easier to work with too. I should do a revised video of using them for weddings actually. I have a video on my settings for the d600 but the quality of the video is pretty awful but still makes sense. any questions just ask.
@@MartinCastein I know a lot of people say the focus system on the D600 isn’t good enough and all the focus points are in the centre, I guess you didn’t have any issue in this dept ! I’m seriously thinking about selling my A6000 and sigma 30mm f1.4 lens to buy a used Nikon D600 and a 50mm f1.8 to get started. Good idea ? What does the D600 lack/miss in your opinion? Clearly I’m on a low budget so I’m just looking for the best I can. Cheers
The d600 got slammed for having the focus system from one of the d7000 cameras, the focus points are fairly tight, i just have never had a problem with it at any wedding and ive shot probably 150+ weddings on d600 cameras. ive used all sorts of cameras, never had an issue with the d600. it does have tightly grouped focus but so what, im not putting brides eyes in the top corner of of a frame. it doesnt have exposure preview, and you are back to using a dslr. ive had d750 and d810 d3s etc my favourite is the d600. it never let me down. it probably feels a little dated now but so what. I think its the best value camera out there full stop. what you will miss is the focus speed and flexibility on the a6000 being mirrorless.
To me, the 5D Mk ii is the perfect balance between price and capabilities. 21 MP is still plenty enough in 2023 and for US$ 400-500 for the body, it is a very very good bargain. Even with a 50mm 1.8, it is capable to deliver very good results. And yes, the battery life is insane. I have two batteries and I can easily shoot several hundred shots at normal temperature.
I love how if I forget to turn it off, I can still pick it up and go the next day. And this with a Kastar battery.
In europe you pay 200 eur for a mkii and 300 for a mk iii
@@Stan_the_Belgianthis week I picked up a mk ii for €200 with 2 batterys 1 original, strap, 3rd party battery grip, 64gb sandisk CF. Got the 50 1.8 STM for €50
@@kaidiemulan6061 so I was spot on😂
I used to own the 5D Classic and still to this day my best wedding images produced from that camera!
Hi Michael thanks for sharing that!
I’m in LA fashion photographer and I use the 6D camera it’s awesome and I also can use it for shooting concerts because of its low light capabilities, nicely done video
Thanks for the video. I've been a professional Nikon shooter for decades (architectural and product photography) and was gifted a 7dii last year with a 50/1.8 kit lens. I was a bit shocked at the files I was seeing from the 7d, so I am interested in picking up a FF version to do more tests for some portrait style work. I've always been impressed with portrait images I see from some of my friends, so I think I'll pick up either a 5Dii or 6Di on your recommendation to give it a go. Thanks again for sharing your experience and opinions- it helps this Nikon shooter. (You mentioned the D700 in your video) I sold one of my copies but just couldn't let the other one go. I still shoot it from time to time- Amazing filmic style images.
I own both the 5D Classic and the 5D Mark II. I find myself picking up the 5D Classic much more than other cameras because of the beautiful color rendering and the sheer fun of using it.
Just ordered a used 6D for a hobby camera for traveling as my first camera. Seemed like the best compromise of quality images for the price for someone just getting into this as a hobby. Your videos have been a huge help. I traveling to New Orleans to try it out this weekend.
thanks for explaining! your content is pure gold!
I have 5Dclassic also 5D3, 5Dclassic just nice image come out from camera and no need color grading in post pro but just editing exposure. 5D 3 has better auto focus and more big resolution
Ended up picking up 5D Mark II, about a month or so ago. That's after shooting all mirrorless up until then. Out of all the 5D's, I felt like the M2 would afford slightly better experience. Your video definitely helped.
Thanks good choice! All the best
I think these are great points. I used to shoot film 35mm and medium format. I still have the cameras around but its getting more and more expensive. I picked up another 5D Classic because it has that similar film look and wanted something that made me focus on pictures rather than the gear. Im planning on shooting the 5D more deliberately if that makes sense. With how cheap the Classic and M2 are now I plan on picking up a M2 later on.
M2 is a different look and worth having as well as and reasonably priced now too.
Not really. You may have noticed that the picture you saw in ii is different when you processed in the computer. The JPEG embedded in the raw which is created by the engine similar to mark1. If you don't need post processing, the mark2 is better.
Great video.! I owned all canon 5ds , except mk3. Since a very long time I shoot weddings all with my mk2. Its an awsome camera and I am emotionally bonded to it.What I like the most are the illuminated autofocus points in the vf. I just hate how they changed that on the mk3 and mk4.
My already old equipment that I used for several years and now they are retired is my already very worked 6D, 70-200 f4 NO IS and the 17-40 f4 are ideal for travel. The set turns out to be light (compared to the current one I have) and if for any reason it is lost or damaged it is not a big problem.
Agreed. Good setup overall
Great points and a great topic for a video. Anyone who’s either just getting into full frame, or like me, an advanced hobby shooter who’s not distracted by the latest flashy mirrorless thing, will appreciate this rundown.
I went through this exact decision making process last year. Ended up with the 6D Mk1 for a screaming good deal and 800 shutter clicks (it was a pro’s backup camera).
I’ll add that the wifi capability of the 6D to quickly upload photos onto my iphone has been game changing, something that’s only available stock on the 5D4.
The 6D is a low light beast as you’d mentioned, and paired with my recently acquired canon 35mm 1.4 Mk2 lens, well, I’d put my photos up against any camera out today. All in, that pairing cost me less than $1500 US, which is simply unbelievable IMO. And with everyone today feeling that they NEED to go mirrorless, I say bring on the second hand deals on EF glass!
i agree completely, the EF glass as well is so good and so much of it around now to buy used. I think if you dont do video or specifically just portraits then mirrorless has little to offer and certainly no image quality improvement over cameras like the 6D.
I still have my mark 1 and 2 and a 6D. I agree that 6D does a nice job in low light high ISO. I recently got a 5Dsr. I saw a video (Gary Gough) where landscape photography results were compared; 5Dsr to the R5. Frankly I think the 5Dsr was quite good enough and all the new lenses and such for the R5 are a tad prohibitive plus there's a lot of EF L glass out there. Sure, for super fast things or whatever or a birds eyeball the R5 wins, but for the money it should.
I will say one thing though nobody talks about all the space files take up. I mean looking at high resolution things, it really gets to be specialized uses and such. Not that I don't want all the resolution I can get, but there are serious diminishing returns as you get up there. Not a problem with the 5D classic.
I think the r5 has some focus advantages for moving subjects for things like landscapes there is little point going to mirrorless, maybe the tilt screen is nice but really you dont need it. The file size issues are absolutely real. I remember when i got my 5DS i was like wow im really churning through hard drive space now.
I have to say Martin, your portraits are some of the best I have ever seen.
awww thanks Adam, thats very kind of you!
Great video. I agree, something about those 5D Classic photos that are special. Its a shame using one in modern times feels like going back to the dark ages, 5D Mark II is.much more usable. I also agree about the 6D. Fantastic camera I was shooting portraits with professionally up until a few years ago actually. I need to look for another one!
I agree Michael the 5d ii is much more usable for sure, i think the 5d classic is a sometimes use for me.
Hi Martin
I own the Canon Mkiii and Mkiv
and will never change them.They suit me and my landscape photography.I don't think I will ever switch over to the mirrorless system.
Cheers
They are very good no need to change over to mirrorless keep doing your thing!
I love my 5dm4 for portraits, its render and colors are the only reason im keeping it and havent upgraded to r5 or r6
I have two 5D Mark II cameras and I love them (one is infrared converted). But I really like my Canon 5Ds. The RAW files are big, but I have a very powerful computer and lots of storage so that is not a problem.
Very interesting comments Martin. Just bought a 5D mkiii, but hung onto my 6D, so will be interested to compare the files.
Another great camera is the 1Ds, i have one from 2003, it has a full frame 11mp sensor, the jpg images looks so film like, almost like fuji negative film. The autofocus is also fast and accurate.
Hi Martin, recently stumbled on your channel. Loving the content you're putting out. I'm a baby compared to a lot of you guys, I have only ever shot mirrorless. I recently scored a 5D classic and it will be my first DSLR so I've been watching a lot of videos about it. I have a Fuji XT 3 and I'm super excited to compare it's output with the 5D's, especially since a lot of Fuji users talk about it's "film like quality"
Hi mate thanks I’ve shot with Fuji cameras too they are great, the best of the bunch for film-like output is easily the x pro1 I prefer the output from the 5d classic but the Fuji cameras are lovely to use. All the best!
I got a 5d mk ii and a 70d as my secondary camera for the video with the efs 10-18mm lens it has more benefits as well using the same digic sensor as the 5d mk III and lends itself better for certain things and broadens my tool kit further for certain situations but 9/10 times I'm always grabbing my 5d mk ii first.
I went for the 5D MK IV, from multiple 1D MK IV, went I stared to do more video work with the C300 and C300 MK II. Love the 4K video, yes I know its a x1.74 crop. AF options sre mind boggling on it.
If I ever feel the need for a full-frame camera, I'll shop for a lightly to moderately used 6D.
dude, you are just awsome, its nice to meet another photographer that thinks like i do!!!!!
Hey James! Thank you!
The most special thing about the 5D classic was the way it blew highlights. Camera sensors typically have a threshold. If the light is brighter than the threshold, it turns white. The brightness range over which it happens is usually very small, almost abrupt. This is not aesthetically pleasing. The 5D handled the blowout in a delicate way. Instead going white suddenly , it happened gradually over a wider tonal range giving it that soft diffused creamy look. I have owned the classic, the mk II and now the III. To me the classic was the most special of the three.
Forgot to mention Martin, I used my son's 6D on many occasions for taking landscape and wildlife shots. It's a gem of a camera indeed. Excellent ISO performance, good dynamic range, beautiful colors - in a nutshell, it's a joy to use. Its video capability is also fantastic though, I used it very little. He sold it out in favor of 5DIII. I feel like buying one in the used market and enjoy its great services again.
BTW, could you kindly do a short video on Canon 1Ds Mark III? I'm curious about that camera as I really love old DSLRs. Though I'm a hobbyist, cannot live without taking shots with my cameras even for a single day. FYI, I use 5D Classic, 5DII, 1DIV and 7D.
Thank you.
Quazi, great to hear from you again, i think the sensor on the 6d is better than the 5diii but the 5diii is a better camera body as such and has much better focus system. Both are good though. The 1ds mark iii seems to be excellent but its not a camera i have experience with so i cant make a video about it. I wouldnt mind owning one though i wonder how much they cost used.....looking....
I have old 30d with same AF sensor like 5Dmk1 and the accuracy is terrible however I love how pictures looks from this camera. Now I got chance to buy cheep used Canon 5DmkIV and I totally love it. What is great for me , on live view it focuses very well even on lenses which have problem on precise focus, like old Sigmas, however if I wlll have spare few bucks, I will buy used Canon 6D mk1 as the pictures how they looks, reminds me old 30D and 5Dmk1
I just picked up a 5D mark II and like you said, it has very pleasant earthy tones straight out of camera. I was actually shocked when I took my first picture, the red orange brown fur of my dog contrasted very pleasingly with the bluer light from the window to the point where I almost didn't create a custom picture profile, just because the standard output alone looked so good. I definitely will be keeping this camera for a very long time, even if it's pushing 16 years old.
Good, glad you are happy with it!
coming from the film era i initially had a reluctance to go digital. i eventually decided the 5d classic might be the ideal digital camera for me.
however, after viewing this video (among others, and incl reading a few articles) i decided that, all things considered, it might be the 5d mark 2 that would be for me.
and so i obtained the 5d mark 2 (although i have yet to try it out).
I still love shooting with my 5D Classic and Mk II because of the whole shooting experience. I definitely prefer the buttons on the back of the 5's compared to the 6D1.
If I know I'll be in a darker room, I bring the 6D. For outdoors, I like the look of the Classic and sometimes I'll bring both 5's and compare shots in the same environment. The image differences are subtle most of the time, but whenever there's a genuine difference, the Classic tends to be my favorite "look".
It was interesting to hear your praise of the 6D. I’ve had mine for 10 years and am now looking for an upgrade. My main issues are poor AF performance in low light and sensor low light performance. Non professional photographic use, but sometimes take work photos in tunnels which are often very dark. Would you say there is no low light performance increase in the mkIV relative to the 6D?
The 6d is better in low light than the mkiv, its better than most cameras for that matter. Its one of the best you can get.
@@MartinCasteinWow. That's impressive. I have a 5D classic and 6D 'classic'. Have thought about getting a more pro body like a 5DIV but it seems I don't have much to gain from that. Maybe I'll look out to the 1Dx side of things for extra build and maybe better sensor than the mkIV if lucky.. but you've made me tempted by the Nikon D800 for the ridiculous price they go for. I just don't want several lens mounts.. maybe I could just throw a 50 on it or get lucky with a good deal. It's dynamic range and build is hard to come by in Canon, even among the new stuff today. My roommate uses Nikon and I really like the mag alloy portrait grip D2xs. My 5D ends up as the beater camera since it's a little less valuable if it goes over a cliff or underwater.
It’s difficult to find comparison videos that drill this far down into the details. Thanks for sharing!
out of these, I have 5D mk4 and 6D...love them both. even though 5D is much better in terms of focus, built quality, image quality, 6D feels better in the hand, and using buttons is quite easier, can do everything with one hand.Battery life better on 6D.
Also I do less work in lightroom with 5D for some reason.
Which would you keep if only one?
@@MartinCastein if only one, I would go for 5d.
It’s the more professional camera of the two.
Do your images retain the "creamy look" when editing? What can you do and what can't you do so you don't lose it? Color Checker Passport is probably out of the question?
My only cameras are 5d and 5dII, love them both. I am going to look at the 6dI thanks so much.
Hi Rees, most it retains that creamy look but it depends a bit on lighting too, if all your light is relatively hard light then it goes to some degree, what i mean creamy it is hard for me to define really but its a type of smoothness to the tones. the 6d1 is good for this too, i think you should keep your 5d and 5dii as well if you can though. they are all different and good cameras.
Interesting reflexion on the 5D evolution. I see many parallels to my experience.
Recently I edited some old photos from the 5D2 and I am surprised how nice it is working with the files. I really liked working with the 5D2 … and still sell photos from that files to magazines.
For me the 5D3 was the big disappointment. There were some significant improvements (like AF and DR) but I didn’t like working with the files. Compared to the 5D2 it was more effort to get the colours I wanted (and was used to). The 5D2 helped me to let go of film.
In the beginning I also felt disappointed by 5D4. I think we all were hoping for something really WOW - maybe like a perfected D850 (w/o the flaws like the AF). Instead we got a refined 5D3 (=5D4) and an inferior 5DS(R). Non of my colleagues upgraded to the 5D4 and all who bought the the 5DS(R) for portrait or fashion sold it soon again. Using the 5D4 didn’t inspire me. It was the downbeat camera I ever bought.
Today, after 4 years work with 5D4, I really appreciate this camera. Already when I bought it I enjoyed working with the files. I believe the colours on this camera represent the best compromise between fairly good DR, noise level and good colours. The AF is very precise, body very robust and its ergonomic is perfect. It never let me down, not even under very extrem conditions. The new LP-N6NH batteries improve the battery life and I find the 30MP a sweet spot. It is an interesting phenomena that the 5D4 get less attention and has actually no (good) reputation - despite the fact of being an excellent DSLR.
I use mirrorless systems (Fuji) as well but I still prefer working with the OVF. I have used the R5 several times and didn’t like the files. The IQ of the 5D4 is in 95% of my used cases very similar to the R5 (resolution aside and I hardly need as much DR as the R5 offers). The costs of migrating to the RF platform are very high and at this point I cannot justify it. The 5D4 together with excellent EF glass does the job very well. I will continue to deliver with the 5D4 the next years to come and will most probably migrate to another platform. Unless Canon surprises with the perfect DSLR … ;)
That’s almost a review of the 5div and very fair and accurate one. A gradual evolution of the iii.
Thanks, Martin, that is exactly what I was looking for!
Thanks!
Thank you!!!!
I keep the first 5D in service as a unique camera (sensor) . I agree that every pixel on this sensor is informative , has a clear border of information with tone contrast. Which forced me to switch from a more modern crop to this camera at the time. But surprisingly, in the photo from the Leica 10 M40 megapixel camera, I saw a mess of pixels when approaching, since I used to have it on the crop саmera. What forces Leica to follow the marketing path in this is unclear, they already have 60 Mp in the M11 camera! Now I'm starting to think that the first 6 is also unique. Not as much as 5, in terms of color transfer (for example, blue shades), but still. All this becomes clear only after some time and experience using different cameras
absolutely, the 5d is very forgiving on lenses due to its low megapixel count too. which always helps, the 6d is a particularly good camera, its my recommendation for those looking for a modern next best thing to the 5d that doesnt lose too much of what the 5d had.
@@MartinCastein there is no moisture protection at all. Confused with the second 5 / Take care of this wonderful device
I own both mark 1 and 2. I definitely can't get rid off my lovely mark 1.
Yes its a one never to sell for sure!
I've heard it said the 6D mark I is considered the low light king. I have that camera, and a 5d Mark I and III, and i can't disagree. It is a highly underrated camera.
Hi Martin! I just discovered your channel and it’s amazing the amount of knowledge you share! Thanks a lot!!
My question is: I had a Canon 5D classic but I sold it. Since then I’ve been trying to replicate these wonderful colors but I’m not able to do so with any other camera. I’ve shot NIkon, Fujifilm, Sony and more modern Canons… do you think there’s another color rendition out there (for skin tones and that pleasing images) in any other camera? Do you think with an old Nikon D700 I could emulate that? My channel is about photography and I shoot film and analyze cameras of that era but also ‘old’ digital cameras and some more recent ones.
Thanks in advance!! Keep up the great job!!
The 6d mark 1 I the closest you can get have you tried that?
@@MartinCastein Hi Martin! Thanks for the quick response!! No, I haven’t tried it!! But, watching your videos it should be the next step I think! In my mind, I thought that the image rendition had to be with that CCD sensors (I had some CCD in Nikon also and loved them) but if you tell me so, it should be the next step!
Thanks again! I already subscribed!!
@@MartinCasteinif I have the 5D classic. Should I get a 6di or d700 ?
With the 5D I always had problems with bad precision of the AF. I skipped the 5D II, because the AF of this cam was not improved.
The 5D III has a great AF. I use it for sports till today.
5DII is my favourate for portraits!!!
I love it cause of the smooth tones 😊.
The MK IV was never for me.
Battery life in the III is soooo great. I have an external GPS receiver 😂.
Thank you very much Martin! Your detailed reply is very very useful.
You are welcome it gave me idea for next video too.
Interesting what you said about the 6D Martin.
I only shoot for fun, and on an extreme budget, so it's helpful to hear your considerations.
It would likely take a phenomenal camera to stop me investing any saved monies on my first fixed-prime L-glass (300mm f/4); and staying with my beloved 5D Mk-1.
But who knows what's around the corner ?
thanks for your comment. If you are on an extreme budget i would NOT upgrade or change your camera gear. you can do what you need to with the gear you have now. Spend/save your money for more important things :)
I own both mark 1 and mark 2. Have used Mark III as well. All of them are great cameras. However, somehow the images produced by Mark I or Classic look nicer and pleasing to my eyes.
thats my findings too Quazi :)
Thank you Martin. I bought the classic last year for around 300 US dollars after desperate search. I can clearly feel; it's making me a better photographer. As a hobbyist, I shoot landscape mostly with this camera and occasional indoor portraits. Would like to start street and lifestyle photography soon as well. I'm confident this old gold will shine.
I also shoot wildlife a lot, in fact that's my main passion. Use 1DIV and 7D for these purposes with quality native tele lenses. However, out of curiosity, I tried 5DII for shooting static birds. The results were excellent.
The 5d is excellent for street photography too. I think it really do everything pretty well, thanks for your comments it’s great to know what others are doing and their experiences
Martin - slightly different angle. I was considering a 5D II for landscape and portraiture photography as I only have crop bodies. But, now potentially considering a used 1Dx (mark 1) due to the better screen, better AF etc. My logic is that I can pair the 1Dx up with my 500mm F4 that just arrived for motorsports photography, and the 5D II won't really do too good with that genre lol. I know the original 1Dx is only 18mp (vs 22mp with the 5D II), but I've been toying with going the 1Dx route. An alternative is to get a 7D II and 5D II for birding/sports and landscape/portraiture. The latter is a cheaper option and the 7D II has the same weather sealing and AF as the 1Dx. My 60D's AF is just not good enough imho, so the 7D II was intended as a cheaper option to tide me over until I can afford a R7. If I went with the 1Dx, I'd lose that crop factor and leave me with 500mm reach only (as opposed to 800mm on a 1.6x crop body). I'm toying with the idea of the 1Dx and just putting up with the 60D and upgrading directly to the R7 when funds allow.
I can't quite make my mind up as to which strategy is the best option for me. Any suggestions?
5d ii would be horrible for motor sports, excellent for portraits. It depends a LOT on what is your main genre. Im guessing its motor sport based on you buying a 500mm lens. In that instance id tell you to wait till you can afford the R7 and put up with the 60d till then. The reason is youll actually end up with the R7 sooner rather than later if you just wait. At that point id use the R7 for portraits and not worry about it or save for a 5d ii or 6d 1 after that. Id just wait though because the R7 autofocus will massively improve your hit rate for motor sports.
@@MartinCastein my main genre is actually macrophotography (Insects & Arachnids), but I love motorsports (especially F1) but I am getting more seriously into birding photography and the 500mm was purchased really for that to be honest. Being able to use the 500mm for motorsports is a clever thing on my part in terms of choosing this lens (well, I tell myself it's clever lol).
The problem is that I also want to get more into portraiture and landscape photography (I like most genres of photography to be honest) and the 60D/R7 are limiting in that respect due to their crop factor nature. The 60D's high ISO performance is meh, although DXO Pure RAW does an awesome job of cleaning the files up imho. That's why I was considering the 5D II or possibly the 1Dx as a higher end dual purpose landscape/portraiture/motorsports camera. :-)
The R7 will be for birding, due to that crop factor giving me more reach and that wonderful bird eye AF.
you need 2 cameras, the R7 is clearly one of the cameras perfect for you. the other would be some kind of full frame so id head towards those two only. as for a full frame i think its really up to you. I feel like you trying to cover it all with the 1dx but that it will be redundant when you get the r7 one day ?
@@MartinCastein possibly so, that's the dilemma. Many use the 1Dx for motorsport photography, and reach isn't quite as important as birding I feel. So I was logically thinking that the 1Dx would be fine at 500mm reach for motorsport photography (full frame, no extended crop reach). I don't think I'd want to use the R7 for motorsport - concerns over reliability and robustness. Kind of a difficult spot cos I like several genres of photography.
That really is where you end up owning several cameras. Thats normal. Just work your way towards them all in order of priority, though i do understand you. The 1dx could probably be your jack of all trades here. Difficult choices.
Thx for your informative and real review across these bodies Martin.
I've mentioned previously how I use a 5D for my daily camera and won't ever part with that. My question is, would the 6D be a nice camera body to run along side my 5D as my experience and skills improve?
To be honest I'm not too interested in a thousand gozillian button and menus to scroll through before I press the shutter button! At the moment I just need centre focus, iso, f stop and shutter speed to deal with. 😂
Cheers
Hi Chris nor problem yes definitely the 6d is good or the rp with an ef adapter. I’ll get a 6d again at some point I think. They are excellent.
@@MartinCastein thx for the reply! .
I've already watched your info regarding the RP (which was great by the way)
So my question is, only one body to be a "jack of all trades, so to speak" and produce natural looking raw images straight out the body. No interest in video quality or work.
RP+adapter or the 6D? 😁
@@chrissmith7069 6d buddy.
@@MartinCastein cheers m8 👍
An used Canon 5d ii ( 21000 shutter actuations)with 50 mm 1.8 vs a new Sony A6000 with 16-50 kit lens comes with the same price - they come with the same price available here .
Which one should I choose mainly for stills ?
I am torn between the two because I love Canon colours and build quality while the Sony, much advanced in technology, feels like a toy which might break if I become careless for a moment.
It would be the canon all day for me. Much nicer as an actual camera and nicer pictures by far.
@@MartinCastein have you tried their prograde stuff, like the a7iii or iv?
@@friday3001 yes i owned the a7iii for quite some time and the a7riii too
I'm really tempted to use my 5D classic for upcoming weddings. I would like to take photos with a different style than I would have when shooting with my A7iii, not paying attention to the technology, the burst of shots, the super precise autofocus and other things. Yes, it might be crazy to shoot with the 5D instead of the A7iii, but the feeling I have shooting with the Classic is beyond. Even the look is really different in the photos. Knowing that to shoot weddings with the Classic I would have to get another one as a backup, in your opinion is it recommended to shoot with the 5Dc nowadays for weddings?
Wonder if the eos R will also have this kind of cult following in 10 years from now
The really bad thing about the 5d is it does not have auto iso. To me that is a big deal. I would take the nikon d700 over the 5d.
For portraits, nothing beats my 5D classic. I'm not sure what the reason for this is but I suspect that this camera hits a sweet spot in terms of pixel density and size. Portraits shot on the classic just 'pop'. Skin tones are gorgeous and there's a beautiful softness to the out of focus areas, yet elements in sharp focus jump out; produces a sort of 3d effect. The colours are also gorgeous - not true to life but they have a Kodak Portra feel to them.
The 5D III has wonderful build quality and is available at a brilliant price for the features. RAW files from this camera are over sharpened though - they have a horrible 'crispy' aesthetic and there are issues with banding and moiré style noise patterns in shadow areas - even at moderate ISOs.
The 5D IV image quality is outstanding! But for me it loses character. The files are very clean and colours are accurate and true, but it's not very exciting to use. The build quality also seems to have taken a bit of a hit. Weather sealing is supposedly better, but the main and rear control dials use plastic bearings and feel quite cheap. The body housing also seems to scuff very easily.
Completely agree with all of that
Is it true that the 5d classic does NOT have auto ISO?
No auto iso
A very insightful video and probably the most informative that I have seen about the 5D series evolution......5D4 was not commented much, considering that is the last of the 5D series....so, in your opinion, how does image quality, colour rendition and tone compare with the previous models and the 6D 1? Perhaps one for another video.
well i personally prefer the image from the 6d 1 over the 5d4 by a fair bit, i think the 5d4 thing is a bit difficult for me to review because I was pretty disappointed with it. Not that there was anything much wrong with it but it felt at the time that canon did as little as possible with it. Thats probably a bit unfair but thats what it felt like from a photography perspective. The colours got a bit worse as well going more to a green tint. Its a very good camera but if you judge it at its time it felt like an update where canon realised they had to do something but didnt really want to.
@@MartinCastein thanks Martin. That's really useful...I have captured some great landscape, wildlife & macro shots with the 5D4....although i am trying to understand how its image quality differs ..I am preferring the image quality of 5D2 over the 5D4...and finding i am getting more portfolio shots...example, macro shot of leaf on frozen log "pops out" more or boat on foreground "pops our" more...whereas 5D4 image looks flat...and colours are richer...hard to explain. My experience of 6D1 has overall produces nicer image than 5D4..especially portraits...although .the AF drives me nuts sometimes missing focus especially with primes lenses & wildlife....its wierd as finding better image quality with the older gear....I am trying to use 5D4, 5D2 and 6D1 to their strengths & capabilities....dare I say, sell the 5D4. Thanks for sharing your experience with the 5D4. Very useful and your videos are very informative....Great to see videos not promoting the latest tech.
My advice is to keep the 5d4 and use it for anything that you need better autofocus for, the only way with the 6d1 and 5d ii is to overshoot everything so you take more pictures and have a higher hit rate like that.
@@MartinCastein Thanks Martin. Much appreciated. Have a nice weekend. Look forward to your next video.
You too! Take care!
Superb video and explination.
I have a mint 5D Classic and two 6D. I agree totally 🙂
I loved using my mentor's 6D mark i when I was learning, almost got one myself but got a 5D mark iii instead off KEH. This weekend would be my first time using it aside from a few test shots so we'll see how it goes. I actually got to use one for my sister's maternity shoot and it was wonderful, but I was sold on the 6D until I realized that personally, for me to be a true professional, my clients' files must be safe immediately after they are taken.
If that 6D had dual card slots I would have gotten it in a heartbeat.. all in all, two incredible cameras, but the 5D mark iii is just that much more professional. Also I've heard that the 5D mark iii is the tank of tanks, been the bread and butter for weddings photographers for a decade and can take a serious beating.
Great video! Sad to hear that the files are the worst of the bunch, somewhat objectively as well.. but at least there are workarounds.
Yes I completely understand your point of view here my choice for work where it’s critical such as you are doing would be the mark iii as well and it’s a lovely camera still. I’d still like one and might get another I keep looking at them. These are all good cameras for different reasons the markiii had all the pro features and handling too the ergonomics are beautiful
@@MartinCastein thank you for responding. I think I’ll be getting a 5D classic for leisure because I absolutely need to experience those colours myself. I keep hearing about that magic.
Thanks. I should perhaps read all the comments before asking. But hear I go. Which canon lens(ses) would be most suitable for the classic one? The sigma art 35, Canon 50/1.2L or the 50/1.8, or it doesn’t matter?. I am comfortable with manual focussing for my limited work. The image quality straight out the camera is what I am looking at.
What do you photograph and what type of look are you after?
@@MartinCastein , people mainly. Also nature including landscapes. Not much of action. Sometimes functions as an honorary photographer. I have a 5D. Want to know the optimum set of lenses that would match its capability best. Best use of its sensor. Thanks..
Id avoid sigma on the 5d classic as you have no option to adjust its focus correction unless you get the dock for sigma then maybe it would work and you could look at that too.
Budget setup:
17-40 f4 for landscape
50mm 1.8 stm for portraits.
you could start with this then build from the lists below.
middle setups:
17-40f4 for landscapes
for portraits:
85mm 1.8
50mm 1.8
35mm f2 is.
More expensive/better setup:
16-35f4is for landscapes
for portraits:
85mm 1.2
50mm 1.2
35mm 1.4ii
For landscapes you really need a wide zoom, for portraits you want to be in the 35,50 85 areas. you could mix and match.
Thanks Martin - I'll take a look for a 6D MkI then... 👍
Hello Martin! Long time photographer here and new subscriber to your channel! Thank you so much for all of the brilliant content. It is very, very helpful and interesting! I have 2 cameras, the R5 and 5Dmiii. Ive ordered the 5D and was wondering what your opinion is of the EF 24-70mm f4 L IS USM lens for the 5D? I also have an EF 50mm f1.8 STM lens as well. Thanks so much for your input and best to you for continued success with your channel! Rick Pascale Phoenix, AZ USA
im glad my video is useful to you, the 24-70 f4 is usm is a bit of a funny one, i found mine just seemed very soft and not in a nice way, i think it may have been an issue with my lens in particular though, so id say try it anyway.
@@MartinCastein Thank you Martin! Would you rule out any 5D bodies that dont have the supports built in for the mirror? Ive read that some without the supports have fallen off. What is your opinion on this? Do you think the EF 50mm f1.8 mark 2 is a good lens for the 5D? Thanks again!!
@@greyhoundrick5568 mine doesnt have the mirror support but if you can get one with thats better. i mean, you just have to decide if its going to annoy you a lot if it breaks like that, mine hasnt yet.
50mm 1.8s is fine, a lot of people prefer the stm version, its slightly better, the 40mm 2.8 stm is much better lens though.
What was the main reason (or multiple) you used Nikon D600 so much more for weddings than 5Diii - AF performance, the look of the files, banding, or something with the colors?
the button layout such as being able to assign minimum shutter speed in auto auto iso aperture priorty to a button and being able to change that in 1/3rd of a stop i use that all the time. Spot metering on a button linked to the active focus point. Better dynamic range. 2 sd card slots, better battery life. better colour in mixed lighting conditions. better flash system. better focus with the flash system in low light. better range of 1.8 primes by a long way. turn on auto iso with one button press and dial turn not have to scroll all the way to iso 100 then to auto iso. better screen on the back, better 24-70 in terms of price and performance, just under the canon mark ii but a lot cheaper. 2x d600 with 28mm 1.8g and 85mm 1.8g is a really nice setup for weddings. the 1.8g range is a modern lens which performs well but being able to deal with a backlit situation with a fraction of a second to react is just a press on one of the two front buttons to spot meter and its linked to the focus point, i used to use that all the time. its all those thigns i mentioned though added up.
@@MartinCastein awesome feedback, thank you!!
For weddings I guess the D700 lacked U1/U2 custom modes, only one card slot, heavier and more expensive, right? Or the AF was slower too?
Have you tried and is it worth using Tamron/Sigma 24-70 & 70-200 f2.8 zooms, or were they slower in focus or accuracy or something else that favored native Canon/Nikon lenses?
@@Edgars.Z The d700 is an excellent camera but the dynamic range is genuinely useful on the d600, not vital but its useful, so is the increase in megapixels so you can crop more with less drop in resolution. 24mp is just right on full frame i think. AF was good on the d700, id stick to the nikon lenses always personally because you dont want to have too many missed focus shots with 3rd party lenses.
i should add the, 5diii is very capable, i just feel as a whole package nikon suited me more, of course in the end its just a camera and you can shoot great work on anything as long as you are used to it. I felt the d600 had the better user experience for the way I shoot as i use aperture priortity and auto iso heavily at weddings, preferring to concentrate on moments as there isnt much time if any to change settings often. I do use manual mode a fair bit too for weddings where all cameras become equal again, its jjust the superior interface for aperture priority auto iso that swung it most for me.
Great video. Still regret selling my 6D. That camera had a special look.
If I’ve got a 1DS Mk ii, would I gain much also getting a 5D classic for that era digital/filmic look?
im not sure you would gain a lot because those camera from that era have similar look.
@@MartinCastein thank you!
Martin just another quick questions as I've just watched this again.
You mention the tartan like banding.
I've been noticing that recently in post (landscape) when editing my 5D files.
Majority of the time it's within the foreground of darker trees, shadows, bushes etc.
When I first started to this this I was really disappointing with my technique I was think what was causing it as I'd like to advance and create a better file.
Is it simply a case of being slightly under exposed for the conditions or is there something else I should try to adjust, look into etc.
Thx.
P.s. forgot to mention. It's more noticeable when I expand and zoom into the area, it looks just as you mentioned "tartan"
Its a limit of the dynamic range ulitmately. The highlight retention of the 5d is pretty good so its best to expose really far to the right as you already know, but when you look at your histogram if you are still getting a lot of bunching up on the left that signifies a lot of shadow data, it can be worth taking another shot for the shadows as well and combining them. its definitely something you can learn to work with though and in lightroom or whatever your raw editor is you can reduce it somewhat with color noise reduction, its a different slider to noise reduction slider.
I was gifted the 5DSR, and while it takes amazing photos during the day, with 6400 top ISO, it struggles in low light (typically indoors). Since it also came with a bunch of lenses, I'm trying to stay with Canon.
Should I invest in wider lenses to make this camera work in low light, or just accept its limitations and add a second body like the 6D-M1 for low light photography? Thanks!
Just to add: since this camera appears very niche, and it is in like-new condition, should I just trade it in towards a more all-around camera or keep it? I don't specialize in any genre. I mostly take family and trips photos at the moment.
The thing I liked with that canon 5ds/r range was that canon didnt apply noise reduction the raw files. So often you see people, mostly canon shooters, say that as you increase ISO you lose detail, thats false because that only happens if noise reduction is applied. If you downres for export some of the noise will be lost. If you are shooting a lot at higher iso levels indoors you might prefer a 5dmark iv though. If you go any lower than that while you might have better low light you feel its a step back in other ways probably. So I would only consider the change if you do indoor shooting often and then id probably only look at the 5d iv.
@MartinCastein but even used, the 5d mark iv is so expensive, more than a new R8 and just a little less than a new R6 mark ii. Wouldn't it make more sense to just move to mirrorless at that point and get the eye tracking AF, IBIS...? Is the color science in the 5 series that much better that it's worth it to remain tethered to older technology indefinitely?
is it really, i didnt know it was so much used now, well go for an r6ii then and get an adapter for you lenses until you get the new ones. The new technology is absolutely worth owning if it fits with what you are doing. I do the same, the old cameras are a hobby thing for me.
6D has one MASSIVE issue for me, the 1/4000 shutter. It makes shooting the 1.2s and even 1.4s outdoors a bit of a pain. 50 iso helps a bit but I dread the thought of having to pfaff about with nd filters.
I owned the 5DII. I always liked the images. However, you had to make sure your exposure was spot on, as any attempt at lifting shadow areas and you get terrible noise and artifacts. Eventually, I went over to Sony, as their sensors were so much better, especially in the shadows.
Yes but a whole lot worse in colour. It depends what matters and what you photograph.
@MartinCastein Never had any issues with Sony's colour. My A7R5's colour looks great. But then colour is such a personal thing.
@@Fontsman-14 the a7rv colour is actually really good, i think most of the cameras before were not so good but the 5d ii etc are just special, different, but it depends if you like it and how much you like it. i really like it a lot. for me though these older cameras are in additional to modern cameras. i use a z8 for work, i like these older cameras for fun.
I haven’t shot the 5D Classic, but I will never part with my 5D MK 2 because it has beautiful color.
5D MK 2 was the camera that made me quit shooting film.
Great video!
Hi Martin, I would like to ask you what do you think would be the best choice between the 6D mark 1 and the new Eos R, I'm currently using the canon eos 200D and I would like to try the full frame, I'm not a professional photographer I just shoot from time to time I like photography in general, I already shot a wedding and some anniversaries and I'm planing to stick with this kind of photography and probably some architecture and landscape photography but most will be portraits(environmental portraits) weddings stuff like that, what would you advice me, thanks a lot.
Hi, id go for the eos R given that choice because it will be better at wedding photography and the focus system is miles better. When im talking about these classic cameras there is a difference between paid work and personal work and Id be selective as to when id use them. Id choose practicality over better rendering most of the time as soon as its anything more critical but that would still depend. You can easily shoot a wedding on a 6d mark 1, its actually really good for it, its just the eos r focus is that much better and you can get the camera away from your face and easily get other angles.
Hey thanks for the great depth of your review info👍🏻
Do you know a way of tethering a 5D MK1 for studio work? I've heard the software is unavailable or the camera just couldn't do it??
Not aware of how to do it now I’m afraid Stephen.
Thanks for this video. I own a 5D2 and love the images. I have no desire to move to the mark 3 or 4.
Thanks Jocko its a great camera ive always loved it.
Great video again. Initially I wanted a 5d classic but for the reasons you've mentioned abt better daily usability and the fact that I found a basically new 5d mk ii with 1,200 clicks for €400 I opted for the latter. Great camera I miss the grain ppl been talking abt with the classic tho. What's your take on the 5d mk ii with the canon 50mm 1.8 mk ii?
the 50mm 1.8ii is a good lens and will pair well with your 5dii, keep the 5dii its a very very good camera indeed. you could add a mk1 one day but i do think the mk1 is more of a luxury to own in a sense whereas the mkii has wonderful output all of its own.
@@MartinCastein Thanks Martin! Happy to hear the 50mm mkii is a great fit for the 5d mkii as I don't think the 50mm 1.4 is much of an upgrade apart from the price and the 1.2 is just not what I'm willing to spend currently.
I dont really like the 50mm 1.4 from canon, the 1.8 is good as is the 1.2 i have 1.2 but id only get it if you make money from photography AND you use 50mm an awful lot. For everything else the 501.8 is more than enough.
@@MartinCasteinI have all 3 gens of the 50 1.8 and from what I can tell, they're identical for stills. I think the 1987-88 model is the best built and with good manual focusing, DOF chart, and no shutter button tap needed. STM second hand is still a much better feeling lens than the II, but it takes all the same images. Stop down to F4 and it's plenty sharp for most everything.
Edit: IF the 50 1.8 isn't enough, just get a sigma art 50 1.4 over the other canon offerings. Much better for the price.
the only thing that annoys me about 5d3 when it comes to portraits is that it is very focused on reflexes, which often results in too much green on the face, if you shoot in the forest or near plants, it seems like 5d2 doesn't notice these reflexes and shadows of leaves etc. what do you think about this? can this be avoided?
I am a great follower of you. I have a canon 5d mark 1. I would like to know how it behaves for the canon 24-70 2.8 series l lens and with 24-70 f4. Also with the 70-200 f4 first edition, thank you very much
thank you! the 24-70 2.8 mark 1 is excellent i have a video on my channel for it, the 24-70 f4 i have owned and i dont rate it, its just soft but sort of weird as well i never liked it. the 70-200 f4 first edition is excellent too i have a video about that too!
Hi Martin! Like always nice subject, great video, what is your opinion on Canon 1DS mk2, does it have the similar color as 5d classic?
I haven’t used it but from what I’ve seen all of the cameras from that era are good
Fantastic, finally found someone who reviews in the right way. Thankyou. I love love my 5D2 but autofocus too unreliable for lots of jobs. Upgraded to 5D3 & exactly as you say, if in very controlled situation can produce stunning range & depth of colors. BUT so ugly if lighter backgrounds, horrible cut out effect around edges, blown banding highlights , so much work post. I still love my 5d2,s but always looking for better focus. So thanks so much for review that talks about quality produced by sensor.. not just technical.. it’s something not talked about enough. f.
I think they should have simply upgraded the focus on the 5d ii, keeping the same focus from the mark 1 was lazy but it was otherwise a good camera. 5diii added loads of useful stuff but removed a few things too, thats the canon way unfortunately.
What is your opinion on the Canon 50mm 1.2 L lens on the Classic? I know this lens can be out of focus and compensated for on a model like the 5d Mk IV with the focus micro adjust setting in the camera. But how about on the Classic?
ive had 3 of the 50mm 1.2 and none of them worked on the 5d classic for me. i really like the lens as well, but it excels on mirrorless.
@@MartinCastein Thank you for the help!
@@MartinCastein How about that lens on the 6D since it can micro adjust?
Only works on centre focus point, reasonable hit rate
Just beautiful. Everything I was looking for. Many thanks. Best regards
Im thinking of getting a 5 D mark2 I have a 24-85 and a 28-135 mm lens would those go well with that camera.
This video is perfect for my situation. Will watch again. Can you recommend either the 5D2 or 5D4, for photo use only? Mainly portraits, landscapes, cars. Price is no object, I can afford both. I just want the better colors/pictures. Also is there a work around on the manual focus only in video mode on the 5D2? I cannot believe it does have autofocus in video mode! Thank you!
I think if you have any notion you want to do video which you do mention get the 5d iv or consider the eos r as well
i am a fan of the EOS R@@MartinCastein
@@smalltalk.productions9977 yeah its a good camera that one
Ended up with the 5D MKII ! I don't shoot much video, but when I do, I use my 250D. This 5D MKII is just incredible! No regrets.
Hi, I'm thinking of buying a 5D classic, and it's how I found your channel, and I'm loving it so far... Sorry if this is a basic question, but it's something that I've long been confused about. When you talk about how the files look, are you only referring to jpegs or do raw files look different too?
I’m only talking about the raw files and I’m also meaning how they edit as well, I hope that helps 🙂
I have a question: My 5dii has a very nice look at the images and it can literally see in the dark. But this isn't an advantage when the AF is absolutely horrible IMO. Furthermore it is heavy, almost too bulky and the shutter is..loud.
Is the D600 Nikon any better or where do you see differences?
Thank you a lot in advance
don't know if this is still useful to you but I had both, and the D600 has a much better focusing system. It also has a pleasing skin tone to me vs newer Nikons after the d750. I'd say though go for the D610 if you want Nikon, the d600 had an oil splatter issue on the sensor that would accrue from use, they fixed it in the d610.
Hi Martin. Is there a particular Canon APS-C camera you would recommend? Thank you.
Grab yourself an 80d I really liked that one
@@MartinCasteinThanks Martin. Why the 80d compared to others, the 7d i or ii for example? Are the colours comparable to any of the 5d generations or 6d? I have the 5d classic and love it. I want to add an APS-C camera to my kit for wildlife photography. Thank you again for your advice
Great videos! What backdrops do you use?
i use a grey paper backdrop almost always.
Hello there, nice detailed video. I want a camera with a good price like this & I'm aiming at using the camera to connect it to my pc & be able to get a nice quality & a blur background & having 30 fps out of it for purpose of making UA-cam videos, how do you feel about whether it could suit my needs or I should get something else instead. What's your suggestions over this or such other models like, EOS 7D, 1200D III, EOS 4000D? Is it also supported by their "EOS Webcam Utility Software" or I should get a capture card? I'd be really appreciated if u could guide me through. TYSM
save for an M50. you need or will definitely want to have dual pixel autofocus. I think 60d has that too. You will also want a front facing flip screen Without that you will suffer making youtube videos and be better off using a mobile phone to record.
I believe the "look" people are talking about with film and the 5D series, is how the photos look almost fake, as if they were either drawn or made with CGI. And honestly, I can see it in the 5D series, it's not "filmlike" but it has that "fake" look people want, the mark I and II along with the others have that look and I love it.
yeah it needs a different word to filmlike, not fake either but i know what you mean, it just needs a better word to describe it and i cant think of any
@@MartinCastein I was thinking more "hyper-realistic" almost as if the photos on the 5D cameras were either drawn or made in 3D CGI programs
Theoretically, if you could buy any of these cameras for the same price, which would you buy?
Probably the 6d
Hi, I have a canon 80d, I am looking to go for a full frame camera, I have a £1000 to spend, I looked into lot of used cameras, I mainly torn between nikond800 and 5d mark iii, any suggestions on the given budget? I shoot mostly portraits. Any other setup is also appreciated. Thank you.
Hi Rakesh, If you shoot mostly portraits I’d push you towards the canon but either are fine really. Canon has better skin tones but honestly get the one you feel most drawn towards and you will be fine.
Your Models are Awesome !
Thanks!
In have the 5d classic and ii and they are great sensors in both. These cameras are an absolute bargain these days
I spoilt myself with a 1dx MK3 with 50k actuations. Any benefit buying any of the 5D for a 1dx owner? (I know that AF and low light will better with the DX but how about the rest such as IQ etc? Thank you)
well, its a different rendering, youll find it very slow and very frustrating but pleasing when you get it right. its nice for personal work where you want a more interesting rendering, its an unforgiving and harder camera to work with. I like that.
5d2 really gives more pleasant shades in very limited subjects and ideal conditions, for example golden hour and portrait with good natural light. in other respects 5d3 is better, faster, more accurate, more convenient, less defective and just more pleasant to work with. basically I don't see any difference in colors, or it is insignificant. plus with 5d3 there are much less overexposures, I use d+ mode. for technical shooting (for example I photograph furniture in a workshop with not very good light) 5d3 is definitely better and more convenient, but selling 5d2 for pennies probably doesn't make sense, let it remain for posterity!
Great video - thanks for detailed & insightful overview!
I have two 5D classics, and have been debating whether to try a mkII or mkIII..
Sounds like 5DmkII or else 6D would be great to check out.
A friend has the Tamron 24-70 lens for sale.
Do you think that is a good lens to pair with one of these bodies?
Yes it would be the tamron is always highly rated from what I’ve seen but must state I haven’t used it but I have friends that have it and rate it for what that’s worth
Appreciate that a lot
thanks
Did you have card failures on Canon 5D’s? If so, what did you do?
i didnt, i had card failures with SD cards on the fuji xt1 which fried the card and smoke coming out of the camera and i think the other died in my canon 6d if i remember correctly but that was a lexar card.
@@MartinCastein after shooting in digital in one form or another for 25 years. The only card failure I had was on a SD card in a Samsung point & shoot that I was able to recover the files after running some program on my Mac.
i have good luck with all sd cards excepting for the lexar brand.
@@daktarioskarvannederhosen2568lexar can get in the bin lol
@@bngr_bngrits very rare to have a card failure, but they do happen like this
How are the colours on the 5d mark III compared to the first one? I'm thinking about forgoing the mark II in favour of better colours with a mark III. Is it worth it?
I think the colour on the mark 2 is better than the 3 but the focus is much better on the 3 if you are using 1.2 primes get the 3
@@MartinCastein I just wrote a longer reply but I lost it due to youtube being youtube...
That's interesting to hear. Had me looking into image quality comparisons (done by dpreview, although of course it's not the same as real life use) - and I can see where you're coming from. I was looking into the 6d (mark I) as well. It seems to be doing better in terms of both iso and colours (it almost has a film like quality to it as well). Now I'll be looking into how it does in terms of AF. I do shoot primes (one of which is 1,2). Given it's current price point it sure looks like a bargain (if I can find one; people seem to be holding on to it).
Thanks for the input!
I see you've done a couple of videos on it recently. I'll have a look. Thanks!
Edit: had another listen to this video and I must have dozed off at the end^^ I'll surely be getting a 6d if I can manage it
Youll be better with the 6d than the mark ii for 1.2 lenses, id still have you think about the mark 3 though if you shoot a lot at 1.2 due to the better focus of the outer focus points. IF you shoot almost exclusively at 1.2 or 80% of your work is at f1.2 id get the mark iii.
@@MartinCastein Appreciate it!
I currently have the Sony A6000 but would like to move up to full frame for better low light image quality would anyone recommend the 5d mk2 or 6d over my Sony or even the Nikon D600 ?
well if you want better iso if you can id go for a 6d mark 1. if not then either a d600 or 5d mark ii kind of depends what you shoot, i prefer 5d for portraits and d600 for landsapes kind of but you can do well with either.
@@MartinCastein thanks for the reply ! I’d like to get into weddings so I was thinking the Nikon may be the best option with it having dual card slots.
The shots you did with the 5d mk1 are awesome. I always wanted a 5d classic but today they do seem left behind but as you say the image quality is all that matters.
Ah for weddings id get the d600 all day long mate, they are real workhorse cameras that are very good all-rounders with 2 card slots and massive battery life. The lit focus points are easier to work with too. I should do a revised video of using them for weddings actually. I have a video on my settings for the d600 but the quality of the video is pretty awful but still makes sense. any questions just ask.
@@MartinCastein I know a lot of people say the focus system on the D600 isn’t good enough and all the focus points are in the centre, I guess you didn’t have any issue in this dept !
I’m seriously thinking about selling my A6000 and sigma 30mm f1.4 lens to buy a used Nikon D600 and a 50mm f1.8 to get started.
Good idea ?
What does the D600 lack/miss in your opinion? Clearly I’m on a low budget so I’m just looking for the best I can.
Cheers
The d600 got slammed for having the focus system from one of the d7000 cameras, the focus points are fairly tight, i just have never had a problem with it at any wedding and ive shot probably 150+ weddings on d600 cameras. ive used all sorts of cameras, never had an issue with the d600. it does have tightly grouped focus but so what, im not putting brides eyes in the top corner of of a frame. it doesnt have exposure preview, and you are back to using a dslr. ive had d750 and d810 d3s etc my favourite is the d600. it never let me down. it probably feels a little dated now but so what. I think its the best value camera out there full stop. what you will miss is the focus speed and flexibility on the a6000 being mirrorless.
Just bought a 5D classic in beautiful shape for $125. And grabbed a 40D for $50 in similar shape.
Great video