All because someone uses inner ear monitors - doesn't mean they are not playing! I am a semi-pro musician and on certain songs - we use samples and inner ear monitors. Why use inner ear monitors? Because it makes the setup easier and being able to control the volume is so key. Not every venue is MSG and if you actually want to get paid to play music - you better be able to control your volume for your circumstance. Why use samples? I am not carrying a keyboard player or a horn section for a handful of songs. In my case, it's more a matter of economics. It doesn't pay to drag out all that equipment - play for hours - be away from your family - for $50. Typically, only our drummer hears the click track but he is so good you would never know there is a click track. As for KISS: If you think logically for a minute - it's clear they are orchestrating fireworks, lights, and video to the music. It's all run by computers now so how else would you coordinate all that? You could SERIOUSLY get hurt by those fireworks if you're in the wrong spot and you would want to know WHERE you were in the song when that stuff is going off. As for Paul's voice: Yeah it's shot! 50 years of rock n roll singing/screaming at your top register has taken its toll. Clearly at times - he singing along to a track of his own voice but if he was faking it all the time - wouldn't he get a better track of his voice?!?!
The general public would be surprised to know that 99% of any&every A-level (& B & most of C!) bands use in-ears with timing cues and clicktracks and whatever else each performer wants in his or her personal mix. Stage Manager warnings & cues for upcoming pyro or CO2, lyric cues or key cues, and on & on. There's plenty of bands playing 2,500-cap rooms using tracked audience swells from 7,000-seat stadiums, through the p.a. to trigger the live audience to react the same way. The "casual banter" and interaction with the crowd by the frontman is on the setlist in between certain songs, sometimes for guitar changeovers, and that banter is 90% the same every night except for the name of the city (which is also in big letters at the top of the frontman's setlist taped down in front of him). There's lots more, but it would spoil a lot of visions people have about their favorites...
I also think it's a feed from the production team. No Artist wants to hear everything in their mix, especially the special effects that could damage their hearing. I think it's probably a feed for the lighting cues.
Hit the nail on the head. I was a drummer in a touring band for a few years, i had a click in my ears, TM giving me time cues, communicating with my band without the audience hearing it. Just because you get assistance during a show doesnt mean jack. You NEED certain things to be able to run smoothly that have nothing to do with the actual ability to play, and that was just a little opening band.
@@edallen1921 they play to tracks because most of pauls vocals are pre recorded . because his voice is gone karma for that pompous ass always crapping on ace peter and numerous other people
You should Also say the Play disco and that it is about a hundred years ago they had a hit. And that they do playback. And that they cant Sell out anymore. They Also Sell strings to your airguitar. They make Monet om nothing. If they retired in time they would deserve the respekt you talk about
The click is also there for production. The videos they play behind them have to be sync’d so that’s why all of that including the pyro is in time with elements of the music. I’ve been a fan since 1975 and I hate to see them getting old but it’s a fact of life. Live and let live!
It's also there for the production of DVD, video for sale etc............They can go in the studio and overdub really missed parts vocally and on all instruments..........This is standard.......Ever notice how "live" shows on TV or on DVD all sound great and perfect, yet the artists are jumping around/dancing, etc.?.......Never a missed note on the guitar...ahajahaja..... there you go........
I get totally what you are saying. I love them too. But... when you are charging fans hundreds of dollars a ticket you need to play naturally or pack it in. They have millions of dollars in the bank. At some point it becomes fraud. And how many farewell tours are you going to do?
@@JamesLoop-gd8jk I agree with you brother. They need to leave the stage. It's sad, but people will buy the tickets. Young and old fans need too understand. They are older than me (58 years) stop buying the tickets. I love them! But yes, you are right. 😥
Dude they’re like 70 years old. These tricks are called “professionalism” in my book. They’ve learned through trial and error over the course of 50 years of playing shows that this is the way to give the audience the best show they possibly can. They still play the guitars and drums live and those are definitely not fake solos either. And Paul isn’t faking it when he swings around over the audience with sparks and smoke shooting out of his guitar either. Unless you’ve spent 50 years playing rock concerts in front of tens of thousands of people I don’t think you have a right to criticize how they do it.
And I saw them May 17th 2022 (like last week) and had a great time and I didn't care how they were singing!! I was focusing on the great time I had and how great my first concert was.
Penn Jillette talked about how when you’ve done the same show so many years, your mind wanders off to grocery lists and such. The in ear cues have their purpose
Who cares? Its lip synching and from a band who is known to sell anything for a buck. Gene Simmons cant stop saying Rock and Roll is dead and he does this? Haha I like Gene but he's out of touch.
The click track doesn’t mean they are not playing. Even sweetening the sound with backing vocals that would otherwise require more singers doesn’t mean they are not singing. The click track and the stage manager’s directions are needed because it’s such a complex production, syncing lights and pyro and cameras with the music. That stuff doesn’t make them lousy. All that production is actually the impressive part of what they do. What makes them lousy is that the songs are just not very good, and they don’t play and sing very well, and never really have. To their credit, they’ve never pretended to. They claim to put on the biggest spectacle, not the best music. And they are correct. Lots of people love the shows. So it’s all OK.
@@SuperSteelyGlint A live performance should be fast, slow or whatever they feel at the time. Metronomic tempos is not live it's--autopilot. It's not live rock n roll and never will be. Frauds!
I like to watch my musicians live, warts and all. No matter how good all musicians make slight mistakes or deviations and that's what makes live music great. If you just want a great production, go to a FECKIN MUSICAL of Starlight Express.. Kiss have below average songs and fake live show...
Their show is awsome the music is great no matter the line up I have never been disappointed everybody who says its fake is because they are poor and have no friends KISS was always about having a good time
I'm not sure If anyone involved in the making of this video or anyone in the comments section plays in a band. I've played in live situations hundreds of times. And ANYTHING extra in your in ear monitor other than the rest of the band makes it that much harder when trying to play songs. I don't believe that you could pull just any musician on stage, hand them the in ears, and an instrument, and tell them, "Just follow the instructions you hear In the in ear monitors and follow the click." And they would do better than these guys do. Love these guys since the 70's and think they were and still are INCREDIBLE!🤘
In ear click track cues are usually used whether in the studio or stage. Usually you will hear verse in 1234 chorus 1234 and such. It’s typical click useage
Saw KISS in 2000 and 2004 enjoyed it because of the production. You don't go to see KISS and expect a show from a club in 1974. Also saw Paul Stanley as the Phantom in 1997 he was awesome. "Christine!!!"
I have seen them recently, in a shed, it was really good, nobody cared about the doubling of pauls voice, the people whom i went with have never seen KISS before and they loved it, i enjoyed it as well. Ive seen kiss since 1977 on every tour 2 or 3 times each tour so ive seen them ALOT. great times great memories.
Most every major bamd with effects and video have the voice cue and "3, 2, 1" in their IEM feed. U2, The Who, etc...lots of bootlegs from IEM recordings have that. They aren't on a club stage anymore where they can read each other and change tempo, etc. When you have video interaction and effects, and are a mile from the rest of the band, you get the "3, 2, 1" in your ear
KISS, The most fun and amazingly exciting show I’ve ever experienced. The Stanley’s are family friends, and are one of the kindest families we’ve ever known. Truly genuine, good people.
I saw Kiss at SPAC in Saratoga NY on the End Of The Road Tour. In truth I didn't go to pick the show apart. I went to see a band I've been following since 1975. We all get older and, no lie, click tracks are a part of life. Click tracks have been used onstage an in the studio for decades. Playing to a click track simply keeps the band in time, nothing to get obsessed about. Paul's vocals are they way they are. I went to see Kiss in Saratoga for the big show and to have a good time. I also purged a few demons in the process, just by growling out a few lyrics (because nobody was listening to me) and just being an anonymous goofy guy in the audience. Who knows how many others in the crowd were doing the same thing?
How the hell are they supposed to pull off such hugely complex shows without coordination, like, seriously? The experience you get as a listener is fantastic -- that is what they're working for, and they're doing it well. Excellently, in fact.
Exactly. I dont get what is the big deal? This dude sounds like he's just complaining. haha! Complaining about the crowd humming. Complaining about them adding a song in promptu. Complaining that they have an in-ear countoff. hahah. so what!! using in-ear monitors to help remind Paul what to say, what the next song is, .etc. doesn't mean they are cheating. haha. Complaining about this is karen-esque.
As a performer myself, Ive worked with bands that pressed a button and mimed their whole show, and having seen Kiss in Verona in 2022 and the magnitude of the production, its nothing less than astounding ! What a show and performance! irrelevant of whether they use click trax prompts etc.. well worth the money just for the experience and i feel for the poor guy with the vacumm cleaner who has to clear up all those paper pieces at the end of each show! Fantastic Kiss.. You really were awesome !
cool technology they are using,, I love that! Definately helps make them stay tight and give the audience a great show after 50 years, I'm excited to see them on their last leg in Germany this summer
This just popped up on my feed. Watched it. We could analyze ANY artist/band for doing all of this stuff. It's been going on for a couple of decades now with most artists/bands. To me it is really simple, if it bothers you, stop bitching about it, don't spend the money, and don't go. Go scream at the sky, go to your safe space, go seek therapy, go eat Cheetos in your basement, etc. There are literally thousands of people that pack the venues who don't care. They are there to have a good time and see their favorite artists/bands before they no longer tour. What they do with THEIR money and time is THEIR business. No one else's. Now I will step off of my soapbox. PS: Shane this is not necessarily directed to you. To the Fonz and others....it is.
Thank you! We're literally watching a 70 year old man- for people to say shit like "they can't perform like they used to" is ridiculous. Yes, he's been doing this for half a century while aging- he's a badass for continuing and I doubt a single soul left there feeling like their money was wasted.
Dude they are rock stars. They still rocked strutter....we use in ears at my church. Every rock band famous or not all use host fills, cues, all in ears....they are still playing it live
Then you should be aware that most cases are related to the visuals on screen, everything is synched these days. I've used click tracks in the past live on stage when the band have been using specific visuals, meaning everything sync's up. Now tracks, don't get me started on those 😂
I have been pissed continuously about band members everywhere slating each other,but whoever they are,and whatever they've said,DO NOT FORGET ! once all the great classics are gone,there are none to replace them. It's great that they are all still able to perform into their 70's.
Because of the pyrotechnics and crowd noise and general shorty acoustics of stadiums and arenas, click tracks and cues are necessary. Often live footage is incorporated into videos as well, so that has to be done. It gives everyone a better experience. It also keeps them safe, ‘fireworks happening here, now..etc’. If they’re purely lip-synching that’s another story. Besides, they’re fucking old! They’re still out there! Kudos to them. Sit down and shut up.
I just saw them the other night at Rockville and they sounded great, yes Paul struggles at times but like you said their in their 70's. They still put on the best show of the day.
Honestly the whole IEM thing doesent bother me. It makes sense considering how technical the show is with pyro and other effects. It guarantees a smooth running show. However it also kills a bit of the live vibe.
The first time I saw KISS live in concert was more than a half a century ago. When you can measure their live performance history in centuries, the fact that they are still performing is miraculous no matter what it takes to keep going. That said, they still perform with more musical integrity than MOST. They are amazing, you have to give them that.
I remember David Coverdale in a live concert on 1984. His voice was completely gone! Sure it was not due to the aging at this time. It can happen to all rock singers! To me it doesn’t mean nothing at all! Both singers are the best rock singers of all time!
Have you heard Don Dokken lately! He was at the county fair, free concert. He joked and said he hit puberty because his voice is gone, I mean gone! We all get old but some people just refuse to hang it up. Kiss, from what I've heard, is going to Las Vegas for the future of Kiss! They have plans still to play but how long until it's just projected on stage and they aren't even there 😂😊
It's well known Paul was struggling vocally a couple years ago, and even had to have a procedure done. But I saw them in November a couple weeks before their last show, and it was 100% live. And while he obviously didn't sound as good as prime years, it was damn good ENOUGH and I loved the show.
You are aware most bands use click and guide tracks in their in ears. It's a widely used method in the industry. Lots of autotune as well. Oh well. Huge difference between guide and backing tracks. Also PS is def in one ear so God bless him for playing all these years.
My Two cents on all the hate over KISS Lip Synching & using Background tracks: It's a "Show" not a concert. What's next, will you sue because the Washington Generals didn't really try to beat the Harlem Globetrotters, Or that Chriss Angel didn't really "Levitate" or that the jousting is staged at your local Renaissance Faire? These are 70+ year old men, who are trying to provide the best nostalgic experience possible. If that is not what you want - stay home and let somebody else enjoy it during the short period that it will still be available.
Big live shows are always now very tightly controlled and setup. Everything is running from a control track, lights, rigging, screens, stage effects, pyro. The 'artists' today are just following the cues. Nothing new or special at all. Been going on for many years. Maybe get to the point about Strutter without the obvious padding out going on, the audience hates wasting their time of fluff.
Dont even try to justify this shit / Look at the real bands they dont need 1% of this show😅😅/ go see Michael Shenker live 2016 Japan go see anything at all / Iron Maiden is big production but dont need big bombs and flames in every song and do ya ever think Bruce will lipsynch😅😅 And Maiden fans would be like i dont care??? Just think about it 😅😅😅😅
@@terjeweum3677 I went to see Twenty One Pilots a few years bank and for a show with only 2 musical performers they had a huge all backing track sound and high tech stage show thats all preset. Kiss are only doing what all the acts do these days. Iron Maiden would have a tight set show like everyone else
What I would like too see from kiss is that they do away from the huge stages and do a classic tour. The songs costumes and pyrotechnics from the first alive album. I think that's when they were the best but that's just me..
@@ShaneDiablo check out these guys, they do a lot of early classic KISS as well as make up free / acoustic set a la the "unplugged" show from '95 at some venues... ua-cam.com/video/zF9xqE7BV2Q/v-deo.html
100.00 for a 🎟ticket ? Don't you mean 1500.00 for a ticket floor level up front. I'm not " throwing my hard earned $$$" at KISS using backing tracks.GEN X, 1965 so I've been there from the beginning. It's TIME 2 RETIRE PAUL & GENE.
Of course anyone who has ever been to a major league stage show or Broadway musical assumes that everyone is performing off the cuff, naturally as they feel inclined and whatever suits the moment... 😂 Making it look and sound perfect, easy and natural is what's called being PROFESSIONAL
Oh...stop the whining, it's called entertainment. They are not the only huge band to have all this technology these days. The ride is almost over for KISS so just enjoy it if you want to see them, If you don't like how their concerts are done now, don't go, you won't be missed, It'll free up a seat for another of thousands of fans who do want to go.
Of COURSE their padding the audience sound during a covid live stream, EVERY band who did a live stream show had crowd noise, why is that so surprising?
Last one sorry for all this but the addition of Strutter was completely planned. Thus show is so pre planned and choreographed that the there is no way that they were playing too fast or had "extra" time. People be making mountains out of mole hills. Just sit back and enjoy the show!!
I dont think they lip sync like most pop bands do, they might have backing vocals but whatever, for 50 years of singing and screaming his voice is going to have a hard time. I think they sound good, their sound checks sound good too without all the pizazz.
First off, Love your channel. But I don't understand the hate towards KISS for wanting to put on a good show. Paul once said, you're more forgiving with your eyes than your ears. Also, The Fonz apparently has a personal issue with KISS.
Dude, I play drums in bar bands and I'm on click all night long. It certainly doesn't mean I'm not drumming live, I most certainly am, but I'm playing in time keeping the dancers happy by staying in great time, at the tempo the songs were recorded, making the line dances and two steps they've learned and practiced with the records feel natural and at ease. I also cue the band in to every single song. I say the name of the song, what the count is if a musician has a pick up and count it in. So if we're gonna cover Don't Rock The Jukebox by Alan Jackson, the vocalist sings a 3 beat pick up before the band kicks in, so I say, "Don't Rock on 5." The guitarist strums a G chord for the singer to get his note and I give a 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, and the vocalist starts singing on beat 2, band kicks in on 1. What part of this is cheating?
I must admit. I used to be pissed with Kiss because I hate click tracks, but then I thought who cares if its a farewel tour and only once. They are 70 after all.
I love KISS regardless of what goes on. Maybe they have offstage assistance, maybe they don’t. One thing is for sure, they have NO PROBLEMS selling tickets to their shows! ROCK ON!!! 🤟😎🤟
before the pandemic, they WERE having a hard time selling tickets. not sure about now, but before Covid, they were playing to half empty arenas. look it up!
Easy to sit back and critically pick everything apart. Another thing entirely to put on 2hour stadium concerts night after night in your seventies. KISS are legends - get over it
I am totally with ya but this has been going on for years this is sad just so sad/ they where a part of me growing up and God bless the 4 originals / It is so hard to even like this person Paul Stanley for all the bullshit he has propped those Kith tards for years and many of theme dont care if they lipsynching / Really ??? Not a band but a brand??? OMG what a total moron / WTF well,no surprise / Read his books / Man is a fraud / Fraud Panley 😅
It’s awesome to see so much support in the comments section, despite the negative intent of the video. KISS forever! Stop trying to take them down and GET A LIFE.
@asteinmann haha. Funny thing is he's still messing up to this day. When I saw them in Detroit in October, He sang the second verse of war machine during the first verse!
The "double voice" in the beginning is Eric Singer doing the backing vocals... not a backing track. It's almost impossible to trigger a backing track like that live without a click. Another thing, and i listen to the song, he didn't sound that bad. Of course, he doesn't have the same power to keep the vibratos plus it sounds he's being extremely careful with those. Plus, the sound it's raw, not mastered and post processed. If you find any other live raw footage of any band will sound similar. If you add a bit of reverb or delay, it's not bad. Anyways, good you bring the discussion, but i don't find it that bad for two 70yo dudes rocking the stage. This is remarkable.
DUDE I SAW THEM IN 1979 (DYNASTY TOUR) SA TEXAS CONVENTION CENTER ARENA. WILL NEVER FORGET THAT CONCERT. I WOULD NOT CARE IF THEY DID ALL THAT LIP SYNCING ETC.
I was there.........God of Thunder and Gene's bass absolutely shook the place...........Saw them at Joe Freeman SA TX also another year and they kicked ass then too........
This is only news to non musicians. Or musicians who have never worked professionally. There’s no guy on stage talking you through the songs. It’s pre recorded to guide musicians through the tune. Incredibly important if you just hired a new tour cat and you have to make dates that are already booked. If you’ve ever seen a band playing and all of the sudden, without looking at each other, they all magically hit a note or tag in unison…there you have it. Side note, even with these vocal cues musicians mess up or lose the click.
Maybe they get lost..They there old as hell BUT this is KISS people ...who cares!! They earned everything they got..screw it...as long as you keep showing up they will come....RESPECT
It's just sad to go out this way. I think the criticism of "newer" acts like Britney Spears is that they have ALWAYS lip synced.....have always used backing tracks. even during the beginning of their careers. They are true pop acts who can't and have never played a truly live show or even in the studio. A band like Kiss paid their dues, so I think that's where the right to put down those acts comes from. Do I think it's ok? Well, I'm with you Shane. I would rather they just own it and state "hey, this is it and we can't do the set at the level we used to."
I'm not even a KISS fan, but I don't find it to be surprizing, and I don't see why Shane paints it to be insulting. Since at least the 80's, most live rock stadium performances (outside of GnR, and before grunge took hold) became very strcutured things tied to pyro, lights, video etc. Even show length within the time table of the venue was structured. The days of looser, Zeppelin and Who type performances (which had their regimen to a degree as well) were over.
I don’t know what you mean doing it without in ears. They would still have in ears. And the 1,2,3,4 is most likely the drummer counting it in. Other than maybe not having a click or backing track or pyrotechnics there is no real difference.
All I could think about was that scene in Spinal Tap where they play the military base and their monitors were picking up the "air control" and "combat" chatter!!! And I would BUST if one of the phrases coming through from the cue guys was: "Drive around to Window 1, please...." Do you want fries with that?!?!? 😹
Agreed. These fellas have been crapping on their legacy for 25 years now. BUT no one forced anyone to pay to see these gigs. It’s all on the fans. Had they stopped spending money on this comedy, they’d have stopped. Simple supply and demand d demand, folks.
the only thing youre right on is the insecurity of Paul, i understand him but its not necessary. they play very well live, and i love little f** ups live, its part of it, im a musician on my own so i know its almost impossible to play without. and hats off without rehearsal! key is to keep playing through. saw them live a month a go and it was awesome. best band on the world right now. today music sucks ass
Great video man .. first one of yours I've watched. I've always been a big KISS fan and I think most of us around here have expected they were using backing vocals for some time, but most like most people, are getting frustrated with how defensive they've been as a band on this issue over the years. If they would even just stop criticizing others for doing it that would be much better for them.
Playing guitar and singing at the same time is not an easy skill. Add in that they also have a click track and countdowns to also process in their ear, it must be challenging.
You and whoever Fonz is...do you have jobs? Like what joy do you get from digging into a band so that you can tear them to shreds with your negativity? If you don't like it, then don't listen. Don't watch. Don't go. Let the rest of us enjoy KISS. It is cool to hear what they hear in the monitor but it doesn't take anything away from the band.
There's a big difference between Britney Spear and Kiss Britney without help is dead. Kiss play for a long long time. And a I suppose not always with "help" So......For me, impossible to compare
It is like watching someone die and making a film about it for the vultures to gloat over... I have no care for arrogant, millionaire rock stars but I do, as a musician for many years find it upsetting to hear a fellow performer struggle. Hundreds of vocalists of all ages and experience have to deal with loss of voice, be it age related, tiredness, flu etc. Singing in a Hard Rock Band is the most arduous and stressful job all. Guitarists, bassists and drummers can play feeling like crap but singers cannot do anything other than soldier on. I wager big shows that earn KISS £millions also have clauses in the contract that equally costs them millions if they cancel or even reschedule. Its sad the people feel the need to strip it down ....😒
As a sound engineer for quite a while I saw the transition from always using monitors to some bands using in years. And in my experience it was like night and day. The inner bands sang and performed with way less mojo. They stop pushing against the monitors. They stop pushing against the crowd. They basically stop moving air and sit inside their own heads and make music. It basically was like bands turning into robots rather than analog human beings. I always know when a band has in years and even before I see if there’s monitors on the stage or not. It’s like they’re neutered.
LMAO. In ear monitors are the best thing to happen to live bands in decades. It allows for decreased stage volume so the PA system can do the work, allows vocalists to hear themselves much better than floor wedges and side fills ever could (which in turn facilitates saving the voice, not to mention allowing greater pitch accuracy) and save hearing to boot. The idea that a singer should have to "push back against the monitors" is ridiculous. If you're singing that damn hard it just means you can't hear the monitors well enough to begin with.
For me idc what they sound like, idc if they use ear plugs. They probably use them cause they are getting older and need cues because they are songs from the 70s!! They have been around for 40+ years and is gonna need cues, heck I would need cues because I have horrible memory. If they lip sync that's fine cause it's their life and their concert!! People paid to SEE them and make a memory, they didn't pay to care how they sing, they paid to see them and have a good time!! And their getting old so they need it.
I'm sick that people always talking crap that kiss can't sing anymore like these guy's are in their 70s , leave it alone already, if you're a kiss fan you wouldn't complain...I've seen kiss from the 70s until now....what do people care how you spend your money you're not buying my ticket so get a life...if you don't like kiss for who they. are now, don't see them ..it's just that simple. ✌️
Roger I 100% agree with you, people are more than welcome to spend their money anyway they like, the only reason I personally make videos about Paul is because he has gone out of his way for years to talk about every other band that uses backing tracks and lip syncing, and wont cop to the fact that he is one of the many band an artists that DO use backing tracks... I am a huge fan since I was a kid, and I think if Paul was to come clean make a joke and say YES I need all the help I can get, it would be more endearing... i guess that's my take..
@@ShaneDiablo I know he's made comments about backing vocals but who cares ,kiss won't be here for long ..so not going to care what people say about them...I'm a kiss fan for life, I grew up with that, but that's just my opinion. ✌️ bro.
Bullshittt... bad analysis.. don t know bout details... nor what issss ... so it seems... becaus' you mistake Paul 's counting for in-ear-technique/spokesman... also not able to distuignish original song(s) and who originally sings etc
Oh my God...I don't think that I could ever sing and have someone talking in my ear. I have issues with concentration and I'd be forgetting all the words because I'm not concentrating on my singing and concentrating more on the voices in my earpiece.
Rehearsal. Plus significant cues for media, production pieces almost mandatory. Plus there are other channels for crew, which are really busy. But potential for train wreck if click or comm goes down mid song.
Kiss was THE band of my teenage years. If they have to rely on technology in their 70s for a show...so be it. Respect.
All because someone uses inner ear monitors - doesn't mean they are not playing!
I am a semi-pro musician and on certain songs - we use samples and inner ear monitors.
Why use inner ear monitors? Because it makes the setup easier and being able to control the volume is so key. Not every venue is MSG and if you actually want to get paid to play music - you better be able to control your volume for your circumstance.
Why use samples? I am not carrying a keyboard player or a horn section for a handful of songs. In my case, it's more a matter of economics. It doesn't pay to drag out all that equipment - play for hours - be away from your family - for $50.
Typically, only our drummer hears the click track but he is so good you would never know there is a click track.
As for KISS: If you think logically for a minute - it's clear they are orchestrating fireworks, lights, and video to the music. It's all run by computers now so how else would you coordinate all that? You could SERIOUSLY get hurt by those fireworks if you're in the wrong spot and you would want to know WHERE you were in the song when that stuff is going off.
As for Paul's voice: Yeah it's shot! 50 years of rock n roll singing/screaming at your top register has taken its toll. Clearly at times - he singing along to a track of his own voice but if he was faking it all the time - wouldn't he get a better track of his voice?!?!
The host interrupts too much. Don't need to hear everything in your head.
I agree. I had to quit watching because of his interruptions.
Agreed 💯
Amen
Same. Couldn’t watch this to the end. Too much talking.
Thanks for warning me , it will bother me less knowing ahead time. Not kidding
The general public would be surprised to know that 99% of any&every A-level (& B & most of C!) bands use in-ears with timing cues and clicktracks and whatever else each performer wants in his or her personal mix. Stage Manager warnings & cues for upcoming pyro or CO2, lyric cues or key cues, and on & on. There's plenty of bands playing 2,500-cap rooms using tracked audience swells from 7,000-seat stadiums, through the p.a. to trigger the live audience to react the same way. The "casual banter" and interaction with the crowd by the frontman is on the setlist in between certain songs, sometimes for guitar changeovers, and that banter is 90% the same every night except for the name of the city (which is also in big letters at the top of the frontman's setlist taped down in front of him).
There's lots more, but it would spoil a lot of visions people have about their favorites...
I also think it's a feed from the production team. No Artist wants to hear everything in their mix, especially the special effects that could damage their hearing.
I think it's probably a feed for the lighting cues.
Well it is one more of this kind that justify this???😅😅😅
No keep going this is interesting...
Hit the nail on the head. I was a drummer in a touring band for a few years, i had a click in my ears, TM giving me time cues, communicating with my band without the audience hearing it. Just because you get assistance during a show doesnt mean jack. You NEED certain things to be able to run smoothly that have nothing to do with the actual ability to play, and that was just a little opening band.
@@edallen1921 they play to tracks because most of pauls vocals are pre recorded . because his voice is gone karma for that pompous ass always crapping on ace peter and numerous other people
The only thing that should ever be said to, or about KISS is thank you for all the wonderful years of great music.
You bet, for the rest of time.
You should Also say the Play disco and that it is about a hundred years ago they had a hit.
And that they do playback. And that they cant Sell out anymore. They Also Sell strings to your airguitar. They make Monet om nothing. If they retired in time they would deserve the respekt you talk about
Sorry for my bad english
@asteinmann 💯✌️
Agree 100%🔥🤘
The click is also there for production. The videos they play behind them have to be sync’d so that’s why all of that including the pyro is in time with elements of the music. I’ve been a fan since 1975 and I hate to see them getting old but it’s a fact of life. Live and let live!
It's also there for the production of DVD, video for sale etc............They can go in the studio and overdub really missed parts vocally and on all instruments..........This is standard.......Ever notice how "live" shows on TV or on DVD all sound great and perfect, yet the artists are jumping around/dancing, etc.?.......Never a missed note on the guitar...ahajahaja..... there you go........
KISS has earned my respect. The fact that they are able to do this into their 70's is amazing.
There is nothing to add. respect from me too.
You can trash them now. But not the 50 years they gave me as sound track of my life. Thanks KISS!
I get totally what you are saying. I love them too. But... when you are charging fans hundreds of dollars a ticket you need to play naturally or pack it in. They have millions of dollars in the bank. At some point it becomes fraud. And how many farewell tours are you going to do?
@@JamesLoop-gd8jk I agree with you brother. They need to leave the stage. It's sad, but people will buy the tickets. Young and old fans need too understand. They are older than me (58 years) stop buying the tickets. I love them! But yes, you are right. 😥
AS many as people continue to pay or untill someone passes from the band @@JamesLoop-gd8jk
Please a couple of good songs in the 70s and the rest was all fluff and Gene's ego. Used to love em, but now their a joke.
So what. Time to retire, then, not to ripoff fans.
Dude they’re like 70 years old. These tricks are called “professionalism” in my book. They’ve learned through trial and error over the course of 50 years of playing shows that this is the way to give the audience the best show they possibly can. They still play the guitars and drums live and those are definitely not fake solos either. And Paul isn’t faking it when he swings around over the audience with sparks and smoke shooting out of his guitar either. Unless you’ve spent 50 years playing rock concerts in front of tens of thousands of people I don’t think you have a right to criticize how they do it.
I totally agreed 👍🏼
And I saw them May 17th 2022 (like last week) and had a great time and I didn't care how they were singing!! I was focusing on the great time I had and how great my first concert was.
Penn Jillette talked about how when you’ve done the same show so many years, your mind wanders off to grocery lists and such. The in ear cues have their purpose
Who cares , kiss is a great band and at 70 years old still rock the house down. And I agree we should thank them for all the great music
Because they should have hung it up 20 years ago
Who cares is right. Hell yeah, we're American, we're Kiss fans. We have the god given right to be dumb mofo's who don't care!
Who cares? Its lip synching and from a band who is known to sell anything for a buck. Gene Simmons cant stop saying Rock and Roll is dead and he does this? Haha I like Gene but he's out of touch.
@@donaldcummings8407 What's funny is they did hang it up 20 years ago lol.
Paul sounds absolutely terrible,it’s horrible.
When he does the opening of cold gin he literally sounds like a dying animal.
The click track doesn’t mean they are not playing. Even sweetening the sound with backing vocals that would otherwise require more singers doesn’t mean they are not singing. The click track and the stage manager’s directions are needed because it’s such a complex production, syncing lights and pyro and cameras with the music. That stuff doesn’t make them lousy. All that production is actually the impressive part of what they do.
What makes them lousy is that the songs are just not very good, and they don’t play and sing very well, and never really have. To their credit, they’ve never pretended to. They claim to put on the biggest spectacle, not the best music. And they are correct. Lots of people love the shows. So it’s all OK.
This is truth right here.
I've never been a KISS fan but I respect them for always being about putting on a big show for their fans.
They are using fake lead vocal tracks.....happened at last nights show too when eric singer fucked up and the tracks didnt line up after.
@@SuperSteelyGlint A live performance should be fast, slow or whatever they feel at the time. Metronomic tempos is not live it's--autopilot. It's not live rock n roll and never will be. Frauds!
I like to watch my musicians live, warts and all. No matter how good all musicians make slight mistakes or deviations and that's what makes live music great. If you just want a great production, go to a FECKIN MUSICAL of Starlight Express.. Kiss have below average songs and fake live show...
Their show is awsome the music is great no matter the line up I have never been disappointed everybody who says its fake is because they are poor and have no friends KISS was always about having a good time
I'm not sure If anyone involved in the making of this video or anyone in the comments section plays in a band. I've played in live situations hundreds of times. And ANYTHING extra in your in ear monitor other than the rest of the band makes it that much harder when trying to play songs.
I don't believe that you could pull just any musician on stage, hand them the in ears, and an instrument, and tell them, "Just follow the instructions you hear In the in ear monitors and follow the click." And they would do better than these guys do. Love these guys since the 70's and think they were and still are INCREDIBLE!🤘
Amen to that! Most people here are clueless and bitter about KISS because the band are so successful and still tour all over the world
@@InspiredFortunes 👍💯
Nope. Not a one of these idiots are professional musicians.
In ear click track cues are usually used whether in the studio or stage. Usually you will hear verse in 1234 chorus 1234 and such. It’s typical click useage
Saw KISS in 2000 and 2004 enjoyed it because of the production. You don't go to see KISS and expect a show from a club in 1974. Also saw Paul Stanley as the Phantom in 1997 he was awesome. "Christine!!!"
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I have seen them recently, in a shed, it was really good, nobody cared about the doubling of pauls voice, the people whom i went with have never seen KISS before and they loved it, i enjoyed it as well. Ive seen kiss since 1977 on every tour 2 or 3 times each tour so ive seen them ALOT. great times great memories.
Most every major bamd with effects and video have the voice cue and "3, 2, 1" in their IEM feed. U2, The Who, etc...lots of bootlegs from IEM recordings have that. They aren't on a club stage anymore where they can read each other and change tempo, etc. When you have video interaction and effects, and are a mile from the rest of the band, you get the "3, 2, 1" in your ear
KISS, The most fun and amazingly exciting show I’ve ever experienced. The Stanley’s are family friends, and are one of the kindest families we’ve ever known. Truly genuine, good people.
tell them hi from me
Ur obviously quite easily impressed.
Brown 👃
Btw there shell......their family name is NOT Stanley...its Eisen!!
@@shaunduffy5180 I really doubt paul still uses that last name
I saw Kiss at SPAC in Saratoga NY on the End Of The Road Tour. In truth I didn't go to pick the show apart. I went to see a band I've been following since 1975. We all get older and, no lie, click tracks are a part of life. Click tracks have been used onstage an in the studio for decades. Playing to a click track simply keeps the band in time, nothing to get obsessed about. Paul's vocals are they way they are. I went to see Kiss in Saratoga for the big show and to have a good time. I also purged a few demons in the process, just by growling out a few lyrics (because nobody was listening to me) and just being an anonymous goofy guy in the audience. Who knows how many others in the crowd were doing the same thing?
How the hell are they supposed to pull off such hugely complex shows without coordination, like, seriously? The experience you get as a listener is fantastic -- that is what they're working for, and they're doing it well. Excellently, in fact.
Exactly. I dont get what is the big deal? This dude sounds like he's just complaining. haha! Complaining about the crowd humming. Complaining about them adding a song in promptu. Complaining that they have an in-ear countoff. hahah. so what!! using in-ear monitors to help remind Paul what to say, what the next song is, .etc. doesn't mean they are cheating. haha. Complaining about this is karen-esque.
I love when Paul says we have to wait for our KitKat to get on the drums lol I love 💕
As a performer myself, Ive worked with bands that pressed a button and mimed their whole show, and having seen Kiss in Verona in 2022 and the magnitude of the production, its nothing less than astounding ! What a show and performance! irrelevant of whether they use click trax prompts etc.. well worth the money just for the experience and i feel for the poor guy with the vacumm cleaner who has to clear up all those paper pieces at the end of each show! Fantastic Kiss.. You really were awesome !
cool technology they are using,, I love that! Definately helps make them stay tight and give the audience a great show after 50 years, I'm excited to see them on their last leg in Germany this summer
This just popped up on my feed. Watched it.
We could analyze ANY artist/band for doing all of this stuff. It's been going on for a couple of decades now with most artists/bands.
To me it is really simple, if it bothers you, stop bitching about it, don't spend the money, and don't go. Go scream at the sky, go to your safe space, go seek therapy, go eat Cheetos in your basement, etc.
There are literally thousands of people that pack the venues who don't care. They are there to have a good time and see their favorite artists/bands before they no longer tour.
What they do with THEIR money and time is THEIR business. No one else's.
Now I will step off of my soapbox.
PS: Shane this is not necessarily directed to you. To the Fonz and others....it is.
Well said donovan....that fonz guy though? Needs a life
Thank you! We're literally watching a 70 year old man- for people to say shit like "they can't perform like they used to" is ridiculous. Yes, he's been doing this for half a century while aging- he's a badass for continuing and I doubt a single soul left there feeling like their money was wasted.
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@@mooch514 👍💯🤣😂
Dude they are rock stars. They still rocked strutter....we use in ears at my church. Every rock band famous or not all use host fills, cues, all in ears....they are still playing it live
I don't get complaining about fake crowd noise during a pandemic show. the NFL, WWE, UFC, MLB, ext all had fake crowd noise.
I'm a sound engineer in Las Vegas! You wouldn't believe the tracks, and click cues that go on. 😂
Show us, let us hear some of it
Then you should be aware that most cases are related to the visuals on screen, everything is synched these days.
I've used click tracks in the past live on stage when the band have been using specific visuals, meaning everything sync's up.
Now tracks, don't get me started on those 😂
Newsflash... Rockstars have been doing this for years. Styx, Aerosmith
I have been pissed continuously about band members everywhere slating each other,but whoever they are,and whatever they've said,DO NOT FORGET ! once all the great classics are gone,there are none to replace them. It's great that they are all still able to perform into their 70's.
Because of the pyrotechnics and crowd noise and general shorty acoustics of stadiums and arenas, click tracks and cues are necessary. Often live footage is incorporated into videos as well, so that has to be done. It gives everyone a better experience. It also keeps them safe, ‘fireworks happening here, now..etc’. If they’re purely lip-synching that’s another story. Besides, they’re fucking old! They’re still out there! Kudos to them. Sit down and shut up.
What is wrong with you?! Everybody does that for a decade now.
They still play and sing live. Not like some other big names.
I just saw them the other night at Rockville and they sounded great, yes Paul struggles at times but like you said their in their 70's. They still put on the best show of the day.
paul sings to tracks for about 85 percent of show thats why
yeah, i agree, no bands of today can compete with them my opinion.
Honestly the whole IEM thing doesent bother me. It makes sense considering how technical the show is with pyro and other effects. It guarantees a smooth running show. However it also kills a bit of the live vibe.
It is called a talk-back mic. Every single band does this on every single live concert....WTF??
So when Paul Stanley always said I can't hear you........ He wasn't lying 🤣
The first time I saw KISS live in concert was more than a half a century ago. When you can measure their live performance history in centuries, the fact that they are still performing is miraculous no matter what it takes to keep going. That said, they still perform with more musical integrity than MOST. They are amazing, you have to give them that.
great comment! 🏆
I remember David Coverdale in a live concert on 1984. His voice was completely gone! Sure it was not due to the aging at this time. It can happen to all rock singers! To me it doesn’t mean nothing at all! Both singers are the best rock singers of all time!
Have you heard Don Dokken lately! He was at the county fair, free concert. He joked and said he hit puberty because his voice is gone, I mean gone! We all get old but some people just refuse to hang it up. Kiss, from what I've heard, is going to Las Vegas for the future of Kiss! They have plans still to play but how long until it's just projected on stage and they aren't even there 😂😊
It's well known Paul was struggling vocally a couple years ago, and even had to have a procedure done. But I saw them in November a couple weeks before their last show, and it was 100% live. And while he obviously didn't sound as good as prime years, it was damn good ENOUGH and I loved the show.
I've noticed a trend in a lot of older bands, they'll do a few songs acoustically so they don't have to strain their vocal chords
So cool to now these backstage things, this or the lip sync doesn't matter for me, still love the songs and the shows
They should have called it quits 10 years ago when Paul's voice started to go.
One time i paid 36 dollars for a ticket....and 40 dollars for parking.
Damn! And a 30$ ticket was either a lawn seat or somewhere on the moon?
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I`m just amazed they are able to be on stage at this point.
You are aware most bands use click and guide tracks in their in ears. It's a widely used method in the industry. Lots of autotune as well. Oh well.
Huge difference between guide and backing tracks.
Also PS is def in one ear so God bless him for playing all these years.
Saw 'em last week.,...They absolutely kick ass! Huh, these critiques..come out the basement!
No need to leave the basement, that's where all the fake vocals are put together for the whole tour
@@NewKillerStar_34 stay home and keep complaining noone will miss you
My Two cents on all the hate over KISS Lip Synching & using Background tracks:
It's a "Show" not a concert. What's next, will you sue because the Washington Generals didn't really try to beat the Harlem Globetrotters, Or that Chriss Angel didn't really "Levitate" or that the jousting is staged at your local Renaissance Faire? These are 70+ year old men, who are trying to provide the best nostalgic experience possible. If that is not what you want - stay home and let somebody else enjoy it during the short period that it will still be available.
Paul hears Thayer whispering sweet nothings in his ear.
Big live shows are always now very tightly controlled and setup. Everything is running from a control track, lights, rigging, screens, stage effects, pyro. The 'artists' today are just following the cues. Nothing new or special at all. Been going on for many years. Maybe get to the point about Strutter without the obvious padding out going on, the audience hates wasting their time of fluff.
Dont even try to justify this shit /
Look at the real bands they dont need 1% of this show😅😅/
go see Michael Shenker live 2016 Japan go see anything at all /
Iron Maiden is big production but dont need big bombs and flames in every song and do ya ever think Bruce will lipsynch😅😅
And Maiden fans would be like i dont care???
Just think about it 😅😅😅😅
@@terjeweum3677 I went to see Twenty One Pilots a few years bank and for a show with only 2 musical performers they had a huge all backing track sound and high tech stage show thats all preset. Kiss are only doing what all the acts do these days. Iron Maiden would have a tight set show like everyone else
What I would like too see from kiss is that they do away from the huge stages and do a classic tour. The songs costumes and pyrotechnics from the first alive album. I think that's when they were the best but that's just me..
Douglee I think your on to something with that.. if they went back to Alive style I think that would be cool.
@@ShaneDiablo check out these guys, they do a lot of early classic KISS as well as make up free / acoustic set a la the "unplugged" show from '95 at some venues... ua-cam.com/video/zF9xqE7BV2Q/v-deo.html
Vegas is calling! That's the future of Kiss. Anyone want to bet me, any amount above $1000 only please!
100.00 for a 🎟ticket ? Don't you mean 1500.00 for a ticket floor level up front.
I'm not " throwing my hard earned $$$" at KISS using backing tracks.GEN X, 1965 so I've been there from the beginning.
It's TIME 2 RETIRE PAUL & GENE.
1500$ that is crazy!!
Great band still love them, listen to all my LPS, with my h-aids out and turn it up loud.
Of course anyone who has ever been to a major league stage show or Broadway musical assumes that everyone is performing off the cuff, naturally as they feel inclined and whatever suits the moment... 😂
Making it look and sound perfect, easy and natural is what's called being PROFESSIONAL
Gene can still sing.
Paul can barely talk without cracking.
It is what it is.
Oh...stop the whining, it's called entertainment. They are not the only huge band to have all this technology these days. The ride is almost over for KISS so just enjoy it if you want to see them, If you don't like how their concerts are done now, don't go, you won't be missed, It'll free up a seat for another of thousands of fans who do want to go.
Of COURSE their padding the audience sound during a covid live stream, EVERY band who did a live stream show had crowd noise, why is that so surprising?
Last one sorry for all this but the addition of Strutter was completely planned. Thus show is so pre planned and choreographed that the there is no way that they were playing too fast or had "extra" time. People be making mountains out of mole hills. Just sit back and enjoy the show!!
Mike "making mountains out of mole hills", I have tattoed tramp stamp style on my lower back..
I dont think they lip sync like most pop bands do, they might have backing vocals but whatever, for 50 years of singing and screaming his voice is going to have a hard time. I think they sound good, their sound checks sound good too without all the pizazz.
First off, Love your channel. But I don't understand the hate towards KISS for wanting to put on a good show. Paul once said, you're more forgiving with your eyes than your ears.
Also, The Fonz apparently has a personal issue with KISS.
Dude, I play drums in bar bands and I'm on click all night long. It certainly doesn't mean I'm not drumming live, I most certainly am, but I'm playing in time keeping the dancers happy by staying in great time, at the tempo the songs were recorded, making the line dances and two steps they've learned and practiced with the records feel natural and at ease. I also cue the band in to every single song. I say the name of the song, what the count is if a musician has a pick up and count it in. So if we're gonna cover Don't Rock The Jukebox by Alan Jackson, the vocalist sings a 3 beat pick up before the band kicks in, so I say, "Don't Rock on 5." The guitarist strums a G chord for the singer to get his note and I give a 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, and the vocalist starts singing on beat 2, band kicks in on 1. What part of this is cheating?
You're good enough.
You're smart enough and
Gosh darn it,
People like you...
They're playing to a click and have verbal cues, but Paul's obviously not lip-synching because he sounds horrible in the clips you've played.
I must admit. I used to be pissed with Kiss because I hate click tracks, but then I thought who cares if its a farewel tour and only once. They are 70 after all.
I love KISS regardless of what goes on. Maybe they have offstage assistance, maybe they don’t. One thing is for sure, they have NO PROBLEMS selling tickets to their shows! ROCK ON!!! 🤟😎🤟
before the pandemic, they WERE having a hard time selling tickets. not sure about now, but before Covid, they were playing to half empty arenas. look it up!
@@markpetarde346 Fair enough! 🤟😎🤟🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@markpetarde346no they had no problem selling tickets . Rush uses clic tracks....fonz is a hater
@@gianni9415 👍
Easy to sit back and critically pick everything apart. Another thing entirely to put on 2hour stadium concerts night after night in your seventies.
KISS are legends - get over it
I was never a kiss fan; I was rocking to Pat Benatar, but I think it is awesome that they are still playing in their 70's.
Paul can’t even talk
They never needed a click track before
100,000 years was so painful to listen to ,no I don’t feel alright at all
An absolute shell of their former selves. As a KISS fan from the beginning, it hurts my heart to hear and watch this. 😢
I'm sorry my friend! I am with ya though.
They aren't the same as the were in the 70s but that's what happens as you get older! But they can still put on a great show!
I am totally with ya but this has been going on for years this is sad just so sad/ they where a part of me growing up and God bless the 4 originals /
It is so hard to even like this person Paul Stanley for all the bullshit he has propped those Kith tards for years and many of theme dont care if they lipsynching /
Really ??? Not a band but a brand??? OMG what a total moron /
WTF well,no surprise /
Read his books /
Man is a fraud /
Fraud Panley 😅
@@ShaneDiablo no tricks. Its a professional band. All big bands use Click tracks!
@Necramonium actually ,pauls voice in alive 35 was still strong. I say his vocals were weaker from 2015 plus
It’s awesome to see so much support in the comments section, despite the negative intent of the video. KISS forever! Stop trying to take them down and GET A LIFE.
I remember once,at an Aerosmith concert,they use lyric screen monitors on the floor that scroll the lyrics to the song they are playing.
That's not unusual....
@asteinmann haha. Funny thing is he's still messing up to this day. When I saw them in Detroit in October, He sang the second verse of war machine during the first verse!
Many, MANY acts do that
Well...hope you could sing as Paul does !! rock on baby !!!
The "double voice" in the beginning is Eric Singer doing the backing vocals... not a backing track. It's almost impossible to trigger a backing track like that live without a click.
Another thing, and i listen to the song, he didn't sound that bad. Of course, he doesn't have the same power to keep the vibratos plus it sounds he's being extremely careful with those. Plus, the sound it's raw, not mastered and post processed. If you find any other live raw footage of any band will sound similar. If you add a bit of reverb or delay, it's not bad.
Anyways, good you bring the discussion, but i don't find it that bad for two 70yo dudes rocking the stage. This is remarkable.
Right. You can literally see Eric lean over to his mic right before the camera cuts away from lmao.
DUDE I SAW THEM IN 1979 (DYNASTY TOUR) SA TEXAS CONVENTION CENTER ARENA. WILL NEVER FORGET THAT CONCERT. I WOULD NOT CARE IF THEY DID ALL THAT LIP SYNCING ETC.
I was there.........God of Thunder and Gene's bass absolutely shook the place...........Saw them at Joe Freeman SA TX also another year and they kicked ass then too........
This is only news to non musicians. Or musicians who have never worked professionally. There’s no guy on stage talking you through the songs. It’s pre recorded to guide musicians through the tune. Incredibly important if you just hired a new tour cat and you have to make dates that are already booked. If you’ve ever seen a band playing and all of the sudden, without looking at each other, they all magically hit a note or tag in unison…there you have it. Side note, even with these vocal cues musicians mess up or lose the click.
Maybe they get lost..They there old as hell BUT this is KISS people ...who cares!! They earned everything they got..screw it...as long as you keep showing up they will come....RESPECT
It's just sad to go out this way. I think the criticism of "newer" acts like Britney Spears is that they have ALWAYS lip synced.....have always used backing tracks. even during the beginning of their careers. They are true pop acts who can't and have never played a truly live show or even in the studio. A band like Kiss paid their dues, so I think that's where the right to put down those acts comes from. Do I think it's ok? Well, I'm with you Shane. I would rather they just own it and state "hey, this is it and we can't do the set at the level we used to."
Who cares. Kiss does stage warm ups prior to show and it’s live. So obviously they can play. Leave kiss alone
I'm not even a KISS fan, but I don't find it to be surprizing, and I don't see why Shane paints it to be insulting.
Since at least the 80's, most live rock stadium performances (outside of GnR, and before grunge took hold) became very strcutured things tied to pyro, lights, video etc.
Even show length within the time table of the venue was structured.
The days of looser, Zeppelin and Who type performances (which had their regimen to a degree as well) were over.
I don’t know what you mean doing it without in ears. They would still have in ears. And the 1,2,3,4 is most likely the drummer counting it in. Other than maybe not having a click or backing track or pyrotechnics there is no real difference.
All I could think about was that scene in Spinal Tap where they play the military base and their monitors were picking up the "air control" and "combat" chatter!!! And I would BUST if one of the phrases coming through from the cue guys was: "Drive around to Window 1, please...." Do you want fries with that?!?!? 😹
Hahahahahah! Yea! I remember that now.
They should have quit before Paul was forced to lip-sync the full show
Agreed. These fellas have been crapping on their legacy for 25 years now. BUT no one forced anyone to pay to see these gigs. It’s all on the fans. Had they stopped spending money on this comedy, they’d have stopped. Simple supply and demand d demand, folks.
I finally just went and looked up the Fonz's video. Stop rambling and get on with it.
I will never stop rambling Thump. It's in my DNA
@@ShaneDiablo I can't fault a man for that. As an apology I offer my upvote.
the only thing youre right on is the insecurity of Paul, i understand him but its not necessary. they play very well live, and i love little f** ups live, its part of it, im a musician on my own so i know its almost impossible to play without. and hats off without rehearsal! key is to keep playing through. saw them live a month a go and it was awesome. best band on the world right now. today music sucks ass
How did you get hold of the in ear monitor feed? Did Kiss release it to the public?
He says where this came from around here 1:37
How many stadium shows have you done, dude? :D
DuDe. Lol.
Who's IEM mix are we hearing?
Great video man .. first one of yours I've watched. I've always been a big KISS fan and I think most of us around here have expected they were using backing vocals for some time, but most like most people, are getting frustrated with how defensive they've been as a band on this issue over the years. If they would even just stop criticizing others for doing it that would be much better for them.
Playing guitar and singing at the same time is not an easy skill. Add in that they also have a click track and countdowns to also process in their ear, it must be challenging.
You and whoever Fonz is...do you have jobs? Like what joy do you get from digging into a band so that you can tear them to shreds with your negativity? If you don't like it, then don't listen. Don't watch. Don't go. Let the rest of us enjoy KISS. It is cool to hear what they hear in the monitor but it doesn't take anything away from the band.
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There's a big difference between Britney Spear and Kiss Britney without help is dead. Kiss play for a long long time. And a I suppose not always with "help" So......For me, impossible to compare
It is like watching someone die and making a film about it for the vultures to gloat over... I have no care for arrogant, millionaire rock stars but I do, as a musician for many years find it upsetting to hear a fellow performer struggle. Hundreds of vocalists of all ages and experience have to deal with loss of voice, be it age related, tiredness, flu etc. Singing in a Hard Rock Band is the most arduous and stressful job all. Guitarists, bassists and drummers can play feeling like crap but singers cannot do anything other than soldier on. I wager big shows that earn KISS £millions also have clauses in the contract that equally costs them millions if they cancel or even reschedule. Its sad the people feel the need to strip it down ....😒
As a sound engineer for quite a while I saw the transition from always using monitors to some bands using in years. And in my experience it was like night and day. The inner bands sang and performed with way less mojo. They stop pushing against the monitors. They stop pushing against the crowd. They basically stop moving air and sit inside their own heads and make music. It basically was like bands turning into robots rather than analog human beings. I always know when a band has in years and even before I see if there’s monitors on the stage or not. It’s like they’re neutered.
LMAO. In ear monitors are the best thing to happen to live bands in decades. It allows for decreased stage volume so the PA system can do the work, allows vocalists to hear themselves much better than floor wedges and side fills ever could (which in turn facilitates saving the voice, not to mention allowing greater pitch accuracy) and save hearing to boot. The idea that a singer should have to "push back against the monitors" is ridiculous. If you're singing that damn hard it just means you can't hear the monitors well enough to begin with.
8:00 minutes in and we have the first chord of Strutter. I’m out.
Blah blah blah - I agree this gasbag loves to hear his own voice and speaks allot of words without saying much...
I was out about about 50 years ago, lol
The question is at what level you move. A show with pyro, precise lighting arrangements, etc. Is not possible spontaneously.
For me idc what they sound like, idc if they use ear plugs. They probably use them cause they are getting older and need cues because they are songs from the 70s!! They have been around for 40+ years and is gonna need cues, heck I would need cues because I have horrible memory. If they lip sync that's fine cause it's their life and their concert!! People paid to SEE them and make a memory, they didn't pay to care how they sing, they paid to see them and have a good time!! And their getting old so they need it.
That he is exempt from lip syncing shaming.
That's what he hears in his in ear.
I'm sick that people always talking crap that kiss can't sing anymore like these guy's are in their 70s , leave it alone already, if you're a kiss fan you wouldn't complain...I've seen kiss from the 70s until now....what do people care how you spend your money you're not buying my ticket so get a life...if you don't like kiss for who they. are now, don't see them ..it's just that simple. ✌️
Roger I 100% agree with you, people are more than welcome to spend their money anyway they like, the only reason I personally make videos about Paul is because he has gone out of his way for years to talk about every other band that uses backing tracks and lip syncing, and wont cop to the fact that he is one of the many band an artists that DO use backing tracks... I am a huge fan since I was a kid, and I think if Paul was to come clean make a joke and say YES I need all the help I can get, it would be more endearing... i guess that's my take..
@@ShaneDiablo I know he's made comments about backing vocals but who cares ,kiss won't be here for long ..so not going to care what people say about them...I'm a kiss fan for life, I grew up with that, but that's just my opinion. ✌️ bro.
Bullshittt... bad analysis.. don t know bout details... nor what issss ... so it seems... becaus' you mistake Paul 's counting for in-ear-technique/spokesman... also not able to distuignish original song(s) and who originally sings etc
Oh my God...I don't think that I could ever sing and have someone talking in my ear. I have issues with concentration and I'd be forgetting all the words because I'm not concentrating on my singing and concentrating more on the voices in my earpiece.
That would be my problem, the concentration..until you get use to the beep of a drum click it's pretty off putting atleast for me. I agree with you.
Rehearsal. Plus significant cues for media, production pieces almost mandatory. Plus there are other channels for crew, which are really busy. But potential for train wreck if click or comm goes down mid song.
Yes, its pretty bad. I’ve had a click track with effects, a “voice” tracked to que verses and choruses, and a house guy chirping in randomly
I've been to OSAKA to see Priest. The crowd is absolutely silent between songs. Kiss is legendary. Period.