Going Wide On a Budget! - Great Joy 35mm T2.9 1.8X Full Frame Anamorphic Lens
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2022
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Great Joy introduces a wide anamorphic to go with their full frame 50mm. This wild 35mm has the horizontal field of view of a 22mm spherical lens, while delivering that good anamorphic look. How wide is too wide?
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I love how clean this is, it’s much easier to dirty it up. Perfect addition to a set on the wide end.
I appreciate that you shoot your talking head portions on the lens you are reviewing. Not everyone does that
Thank you for noticing! I've always felt that was one of the most important parts of all the reviews! I do break this rule every once in a while when crunch time happens though. :P
Your explanations and illustrations are amongst the best!
@Anamorphic on a Budget , Great review once again! This was very insightful and answered all of the questions that I had. Thanks Tito!
Thanks for the review Tito! I tested the older 35mm APS-C and now I’m hooked and want the full frame!
Looks awesome
Thanks Tito! I feel that as a set the Great Joy makes a lot of sense, perhaps with a 85 mm down the line next year. Do you think adding a good streak filter to this lens would help with the character? Or would that look unnatural/distracting? I really prefer the non-flare style of this lens, but it might be nice to have some of the flare going on for certain projects
Good video, thank you for the info and God bless.
Great review, I really felt the same as you about the F2.9, it would be so great to have a 35mm f1.8 1.8x
Also Anamorphic cats are the best ;)
You can see the Vazen which are T2.1 but cost 6 to 7 times more!
You mentioning "Lack of character" in this anamorphic lens reminded me why I desperately wanna slap a SIRUI 1.25x Anamorphic Adapter on a Canon FD lens or a Helios 44. Just throw em on anitque lenses that already have alot of character to em.
1.25x is barely a noticeable stretch factor for bokeh, not really worth it imo
There is more to the “anamorphic” look than the stretch. I”ve used 1.33x adapters that look way more “anamorphic” than these lenses. Also Atlas’s Mercury line blow these lenses out of the water and they are only 1.5x.
@@ForlornCreature I seen one video do test on a spherical lens with and with out the adapter. yes your not gonna get a extreme diffrence but the two videos showing it with and with out the adapter gives it an extra characteristic look.
@@angryrabbitproductions1690 I know that.
But I seen a video showing a spherical lens with and with out the adapter in two diffrent videos. And even the adapter has more characteristics then this lens XD
Mmm yes I have a 28mm FD and Super Takumar 50mm 1.4 and they'd be great with an adapter.
really loving what you said about playing to its strengths. about to shoot a project with this on a drama/fantasy short where the fantasy aspects aren't really in the forefront. I'm picking this lens because of that subtlety, that slightly elevated feeling of not necessarily being in the 'real' world that anamorphic creates yet it is still grounded as it is absent of typical anamorphic aberrations. it leaves us in a nice little grey area that is perfect for this specific project. great review on everything and it made me feel even more confident that this is the right lens for the project!
seems like a great tool. and the places where it has ‘shortcomings’ can be easily addressed in post or with filters…
Flarefilters leave nasty looking bokeh and making good(!) Flares in post is not entirely hassle free either, and can take a lot of time. Distorting the image around is easy and fast of course. I'd rather have an interesting lens from the start than making trying to fix it later, the bokeh is nice if you can get it (and you won't make the lens faster in post either), and that's about it :(
Are they all rear anamorphics? Those behave quite different than front anamorphics, especially with flaring. Like the later ones better.
Great review! It's interesting to see how many new budget options are available in this field.
Hi! Thanks for the review!
I can't focus my Great Joy 35mm... mainly in large apertures and close sobjects. How do you deal with it?
Thanks for the great video! So if I bought the EF version, would it be fine to adapt to RF using the Canon adapter? Just not to something with a speedbooster like a mft BMPCC4k or say to a C70 with the Canon reducer, correct?
Yes, all your conclusions are correct. :)
So, I believe I have asked this before:
But isn't there a way to get "the 2x look" but only something like a 1.5x squeeze? If you combine a front element as well as a vertical rear element? Of is that just medium format with extra steps and would give you a massive and heavy lens?
It's awesome to see the amount of 'budget' options we have nowadays, although nothing that perfectly fits what I believe I want.
What are your opinions on this vs Aivascope 1.7x for a FF Z Cam E2-F6?
Both are tempting! Thanks for all your great content on the subject of anamorphic
I don't have an opinion. I haven't tested an Aivascope, but I'm disinclined towards adapters these days.
Great video, planning to get used Sirui 1.33x+ great joy adapter for that 1.8x factor image....one question, does an anamorphic adapter change the T stop of the taking lens? Thank you.
It really depends on the size of the front of the taking lens. In a general way the answer is "no, it won't cut light".
@@AnamorphicOnABudget Thank you.
How do the Great Joy lenses compare to the Laowa Nanomorphs?
hello, I have a Kowa prominar anamorphic 16-H 40239 8z lens (I write in red color). to which of the two that it shows corresponds? what would be its dollar cost? Thank you.
Something nobody seems to be bringing up about the mirrorless mounts and the fundraiser price is that the mirrorless mounts are about THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS CHEAPER. My indiegogo price was $1189, and that difference is pretty valuable to me. That being said, great video as always!!
I feel the mirrorless mounts are very limiting. A PL lens will work ANYWHERE, while an e-mount will only work on Sony, and so on.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget That's an extremely good point, and VERY good advice, but it's still something people should be aware of in order to make a fully informed decision with regards to their specific situation and needs. That's a savings of roughly $600 dollars if someone had bought both the 50mm and 35mm in mirrorless, which is not nothing.
Very good argument too. The channel is "on a budget" after all, and if there's money to be saved, it's worth to point it out.
I'd love to see a review on the newest BLazar REMUS series!
Good review! I’m in the same page with you… these lenses lack anamorphic character. Especially, if, like me, you crop in to 16:9. Personally, I find the Atlas Mercury series more to my taste. Have you gotten your hands on any of those lenses yet. I preordered but it’s likely a long wait.
I also got my eyes on those, been talking to Atlas to see if I can get a test unit soon. :)
Those are beautiful lenses, but they are also 5 times the price of these. Not really the same game.
Did you test to see if their claims of constant squeeze are genuine? If accurate, great to see a not-outrageously priced anamorphic with constant squeeze. Wonder if they will update their 50mm for constant squeeze as well?
Which PL adapter would you recommend for E-Mount and L-Mount? Will it need to be shimmed?
Yes, this constant squeeze is real. They won't update the 50mm, it's a whole optical redesign. I've been using the Wooden Camera PL to L adapter, and yes, I had to shim it to be perfect.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget so pl is kinda the best option. What pros has dedicated mount options besides being "adapter welded"?
Thanks as ususal!
Question: why is it 22mm ?
A 35mm divided by the 1.8X is 19,4
But that's only if it covered the whole sensor! When we factor in the lateral crop from 3:2 to 4:3, we end up with 22mm, and it's really really close to what I got on the 21mm spherical.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget thanks!!
Does anybody know from experience, if the 6k open gate on the S1H looks good? Ive heard a lot of opposite opinions on it.
I'm a pretty big fan of it and have used it on several videos for this channel as well as shorts outside the channel.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget
Thanks for letting me know! I've been considering this or renting the Mavo LF for it's open gate mode.
Hey Tito! Is this seemingly a rear-anamorphic?
It's a mix! :D Front and rear.
I think the image of an aivascope is worth the hassle over using these Great Joys..the image is just not doing it for me. Cool to see more stuff coming to market though
Does the 50mm lens look more anamorphic than this 35mm lens? It seemed very "clean" to me, without that effect of "magnifying" what was in focus. Except, in the first shot inside the car.
Does my vision coincide with yours?: «It lacks imperfections»
Thanks friend.
I thought full frame was 3:2, not 4:3? Anyway looks like Sirui full frame has the advantage at at 1.6x squeeze because of the blue flares.
Open gate is 3:2, but Great Joy's 4:3 full frame covers the entire sensor height, so no harm done there.
I think MFT is often 4:3, FF 3:2
Mmmm love that bokeh at the end. 🤤 And motorcycles are always cool.
On MFT it'd look more normal, around 39mm equiv.. But I'm guessing the background separation would be even less?
It depends on how close you like your closeups. Because your subject would be bigger in the frame at min focus, so if you play to the lens' strengths, you could get more bg separation. :)
Am I hallucinating or didn't this video come out some time last week? I'm so confused
It did for members of the channel! We talked in the comments about berries, and how the lens is achieving 1.8X using the rear. But I changed the ending a little bit after a chat with Blake. We agreed I was being a little too harsh on some points, and not giving credit on some others. :P
@@AnamorphicOnABudget ah that makes sense. Then I have to rewatch the ending.
Being critical isn't bad though, IMO. We are no fanboys looking only left and right
I'm still critical, I was just overly harsh. Blake had some good points that I had dismissed to be "edgy".
have you considered giving your new baby an ultrasound? you should be able to see the internals: elements, placement and displacement while pulling focus :D
I don't even know how to start on this. hahahah!
ask your GP :))
Why not use with a speedbooster? nooby here.
What about price?
UPD
CF: $1500
Retail: $1700
Hmm.. no flares? That's like going to a rock concert and listening to it through headphones... :/
And I don't understand why they always go for those heavy blue streaks... I like steaks in color of their lightsource way more..
I don’t understand why I should be interested in this heavy beast?
The front of the lens does not rotate or extend while focusing. A guy can dream.
I noticed that for manufacturers are somewhat easier to make more consistent wide lenses on anamoprhics but at the same time there is close to zero bokeh. And I need bokeh - the sole reason I would buy anamorphic. I can easily do establishing shots with sperical as it usualy doesn't have bokeh either way
If longer lens won't have synchro thingy (I think for it not to have it, it needs to be simply longer) I will def grab it to complement my 16-35 gm and 20mm g. Will do all face shots with it lol
I find the vignetting in all the footage to be pretty disappointing. In my opinion that does not qualify as covering full frame.
If you're talking about my footage, that's because I had a vari-ND on the front of the lens which introduced the vignette. :(
@@AnamorphicOnABudget Aha! Thank you for clarifying! That makes a lot more sense. I now remain interested:) Thanks for all the hard work!
Have you thought about changing your camera? I know the Lumix has lots of different modes but the image is a bit bland for an anamorphic lens review channel.
Lumix is the only one who offers PROPER anamorphic modes. So, I'll stick with it. It's not the camera that makes the images bland, it's me! :P
@@AnamorphicOnABudget Lol
@@AnamorphicOnABudget don't all the Z Cams also provide proper Anamorphic modes?
Its a no for me for my needs, even if I had that money.
It can be useful for those who are looking for cleanliness, but to be an anamorphic it is too boring
“Too much in focus”? Sound a lot like when other influencers mention that a lens doesn’t have “enough flare”… what is this world coming to?
It's coming to people not knowing the words for what they mean. I also didn't wanna get technical.
"Too much in focus" in this case means there's not a lot of separation between subject and background after a certain distance. The distinction between a sharp and a blurry point becomes hard to distinguish. The size of the circle of confusion at that point, is too small, but not small enough to be "in focus", which creates a video-like feeling.
It's like how some lenses are designed so there's a sharp transition between in-focus and out-of-focus areas, but backwards here.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget Makes sense. That is a good explanation & thanks for taking the time. Sort of like line-scan lenses that go from 100cm to infinty extremely fast - good for some applications but not all. Although I'd say that an anamorphic on a FF sensor will really have to work hard to look like 60i on a 1/3" CCD
Overpriced and less than impressive IMHO.
The obvious vignetting is disturbing.
The vignetting comes from me using a variable ND filter to control exposure. The lens is so wide that you'll start getting vignette from adding an 82mm filter. If I had used a mattebox + ND filters on trays, I'd have no vignetting.
WHY WHY WHY. I just purchased the lens. Im not happy that this lens refuses to flare. Thats all I wanted, was some personality... but I feel like this is a woman you take out on a date and scrolls on Tik Tok the whole time... Give us some distortion, give us anyting, but they gave us a good price. That being said, Sirui is coming out with 1.5 stretch for PL and Laowa is coming out with 2x stretch. Lets see if I need to sell my lenses as I am going through Great sadness.
Agree. They need to make a version with actual flare. Not overwhelming flare, but at least some flare. In a perfect world, one version blue, the other orange.
IMO, $1,700 is too much money for an anamorphic that doesn't flare at all.
I would agree, but I'm holding out that there will be some character to it. A lot of the sample footage I have seen so far has been quite nice, and I personally like using promist filters from Tiffen, which I'm hoping will tame the sharpness. I'm also curious to know if the image produced can enhance the 'character' of the lens with the new Sirui 1.25x adapter.