Band of Brothers Episode 9: "Why We Fight" Reaction *First Time Watching*
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This episode is a tough watch, but, is arguably the most important to watch. Edward "Babe" Heffron put it best when he said, "If anyone ever tells you the Holocaust didn't happen, or that it wasn't as bad as they say, no, it was worse than they say. What we saw, what these Germans did, it was worse than you can possibly imagine.”
The average Allied soldier would have had NO IDEA about the death camps. On the Allied side, there were only suggestions in the intelligence community that SOMETHING was going on, something unbelievably bad. On the German side, they didn't advertise it to their people, and, if you asked too many questions, you would get disappeared, too.
Thank goodness Ike insisted in forcing the Germans who lived around the camps to walk through and even clean up. And to get that on film, so they couldn't deny it: ua-cam.com/video/ijm1GetoX7s/v-deo.html and ua-cam.com/video/j68hFzTTP4g/v-deo.html
At a recent anniversary symposium, a member of Heffron’s family (daughter iirc), said the last bar fight he got in was with a holocaust denier. Babe was in his 80s at the time.
@@daddynitro199 There is no way to love Babe Heffron any more than I do now.
@@ExUSSailor AH and all of his cronies spent YEARS cultivating the German people to not even THINK of Jews/Slavs as people, you're ignorant to think the average German citizen didn't know what they were doing to these people. There are albums full of German soldiers (SOLDIERS not SS) taking pictures of Russians/Jews like they were hunting trophies. You saying the average people didn't know what was happening just continues the myth put out by nazi sympathizers.
I am a combat veteran ( Vietnam ) you can not possibly know the good you have just done.
Tahnk you for this and God bless you.
A man who went to my church growing up was in the German Luftwaffe (air force). He was shot down, taken prisoner and sent to a pow camp in the US. He said they were forced into joining, told if he didn't his family would be sent away. He said everyone knew the Nazi's were evil, that if you didn't do as they said, your family disappeared never to be seen again. He fell in love with America and even started a non-profit with his wife to help adults with disabilities live as independently as possible
My father in law's uncle had to bulldoze bodies there were so many. Years later while attending college he damn near beat a couple of holocaust deniers to death. He was prosecuted for it, but the judge threw it out.
“If anyone ever tells you the Holocaust didn't happen, or that it wasn't as bad as they say, no, it was worse than they say. What we saw, what these Germans did, it was worse than you can possibly imagine.” ... Edward "Babe" Heffron, E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne Division ...
GOD Bless, RIP.
The producers/directors of BoB did not tell the actors what was coming with regard to the concentration camp scene. They also used volunteers from a nearby cancer hospital to play the camp inmates. Additionally, "props" like rotting meat were at the camp location to add to the reality.
No favourite moments, but the moment that never fails to hit me in the gut is when Perconte and the camp inmate exchange salutes. There's a moment in the documentary series The World at War when a Jewish veteran of The Great War talks about his experiences of Kristallnacht that never fails to come to mind when I see that. kerk
The way Nixon told them about Hitler being dead reminded me of my own time in Afghanistan when they told us about Bin Laden being killed. It was just a normal day and it was like the last thing they told us during our briefing like it was no big deal, and it wasn't. We said a few jokes about if we get to go home now and moved on, business as usual.
I was in Afghanistan as well when our Team leader came up to us at the fire pit and told us. We were 3 weeks out on an OP recon plt and didn't have much contact w anyone, except over the radio. We were like, cool, then just kept smoking our cigars and trading lickey chewies. We were 'over it' all
This is actually one of my favorite episodes. Because it begins the episode by showing a lot of the shortcomings and imperfections of a lot of the guys. Nobody is perfect right? But then all these little negative character traits seem minuscule in comparison to the travesty that they uncover. It’s excellent writing and it’s the reason it’s one of my favorite episodes.
Nixon and the German woman whose house he invades trading judgmental looks over the course of the episode speaks volumes. Who here committed the more monstrous crime?
@@airborngrmp1 Right. And I see a lot of people that tend to make a big deal of Speirs and the looting. But if people watched “we stand alone together” Major Winters says he had no problems with his men taking a few trinkets here and there after he had seen the atrocities committed by the Germans and the SS.
@@C-Russ Who gives spiers shit for looting ? Spoils of war is a known thing. I would of been raiding everyone house tf, dragged me across the world I'm going home with a truckload of souveniours
A lot of the concentration camp prisoners were played by cancer patients. A few of them near their terminal stage. Most felt it important to take the role because nothing shows the true horror of the Holocaust than seeing a walking skeleton approach you with tears in their eyes. And this was the first time the main actors saw them or the concentration camp set.
The writing for this is excellent.
In the first half we get a sense of moral equivalence. In the interviews we get the idea that the Germans were just like the GIs.
We like Luz and Perconte but we’re actually worried about the girl in the farmhouse.
Winters evicts a family from their home without a concern.
The French soldiers execute prisoners and Perconte just shrugs.
Nixon breaks a photo of a dead officer after breaking into a widow’s home to steal alcohol.
These guys are hardened, not the same guys that shipped out a couple years ago. They are almost as bad as the Germans.
And then suddenly the focus is clear.
They didn’t know. This wasn’t why they enlisted to fight. But they were heroes.
I've seen this series countless times. I've watched reaction videos about it many times. This episode hit so hard the first time I saw it, and that feeling never goes away. Every time, it reduces me to tears.
My great grandmother and my early teenage grandfather was the only family members on my fathers side to escape the invasion of Poland...they made it to England, and she sent my grandfather to America because of the constant bombing...when he was old enough, he enlisted in the US Army, went back to Europe, stomped ass and eventually helped care for those rescued from camps...
During the Second World War, the greatest military operations were taking place in Europe and the most people were killed.
I am a Pole and in our country there were many victims, especially of the civilian population
And from the movies about the Second World War, I recommend The Pianist and Sindler's List - there you will see the madness of war
Greetings from Poland
I rented The Pianist after half-listening to an NPR interview with the composer on a commute, like a dummy. I'd been in a terrible argument with my GF, and feeling emotionally raw, went to the video store, and it was down to that, or _Last Tango In Paris._ "Mmm, no on _Tango._ Don't need to see old Brando Art Porn. This isn't the night." Took _The Pianist_ home, thinking that was the wise choice, smoked a bowl, and-I'll just say: It's a *very* moving film. Stay hydrated.
Any chance of episode 10? Its been 3 months since you uploaded episode 9.
Over 11million people were killed in the holocaust. To put that into some sort of context image one person walking past you every second, it would take over 127 days for them all to walk by. The idea of a master race involved the elimination of inferior beings and no one can imagine how far this would have been taken had it not been stopped. We owe so much to those that fought and died as so many of us would not exist today.
The US Army brass in the Pentagon knew about the camps, even if they didn't know in detail what was going on in them, from aerial reconnaissance photos. But they never informed the units in the field. So when US soldiers came across these camps, the shock was total.
Lmfao ambassadors from most allied nations visited concentration camps before the war and congratulated the nazis on being efficient at "deporting" so many people so quickly, what they didn't know/realize is that the chimneys in the back were not burning wood.
Dick winters saying “I had no problem kicking German citizens out of their home, and letting my men loot their things” makes so much sense after this episode
President Eisenhower (then General Eisenhower) said to the Bürgermeister (mayor) of one town. "You all make me feel ashamed that my last name is Eisenhower."
It's happening all over the world, most notably with the Uyghurs in China. If you notice, in the camp is the only time that Perconte remembers O'Keefe's name. Tough episode.
It actually pisses me the f*ck off as a german (who had WW2 germany way too much in history class) that NOBODY cares that there is a literal NS Germany V2 right now... called china, you disobey/dislike the state = punishment/camp. You support anything non chinese? Traitor! Oh you are a Uyghur? Gimme your organs after you slaved away in a field! Like come the F on world, there is a second NS Germany called Communist China and everybody is like "Yeah, but money?" Is china allowed to get away with it because they prefer the economic gain more than the gen**ide or what?
The song they are singing is called "Blood On The Risers" and is considered the unofficial anthem of paratroopers to this day.
15:22 This exact thing happened to me when I watched BoB, and I'm freaking Jewish and living in Israel! The show is brilliant in how it's so engrossing about the war stories that you forget the bigger picture, very much like the soldiers themselves (on both sides) undoubtedly did.
Them telling the forest looks like Bastogne might be some inside humor, I would not be surprised if it really is the same forest they filmed the Bastogne scenes in but just in summer.
Bastogne was all shot in an airplane hanger, in summer. The snow was fake and the breath was added in post to make it looked like winter. Very convincing. The actors were all sweating! Not sure if this was the same set but probably!
Well done. Thanks for sharing. :) The old 1970s documentary series The World At War, which is most excellent (we WWII history enthusiats love it) has a good background on this: Episode 20 Genocide (1941-1945).
My son is a history major and I had bought him the WaW DVD set for his birthday. We've been watching for the past month (I've seen it before but back when it first aired). That episode is the next one we are watching this weekend. It's going to be tough to watch, but too important not to watch.
@@nostrebornod As a WWII history buff it is a great series even if one knows little about WWII.
I also like The War which is a documentary from 2005 I want to say. It's one of my favorites.
I hope you watch “we stand alone together“ on HBO Max. I’d love to see your reaction. It’s the documentary that was being made simultaneously with band of Brothers and it’s where they get a lot of the snippets from the interviews from the beginning of the episodes. You’ll learn more in depth about their journey. It’s basically like the 11th episode of Band of Brothers. Or like a bonus episode. It’s fabulous.
World War 1 taught the world the horrors in industrialised war. WW2 taught the world the horrors of industrialised in-humanity.
We've just about lost all of the people who were there, the ones who could honestly tell us the stories.
This episode is so important. It's not just showing us the truth of how shitty humanity can be, it's capturing the truth from the people who saw it in person.
Even watching the series originally it was definitely like your reaction. “Oh, right… THIS part of the war.”
They went without food for so long, starved for months, years even that their bodies literally forgot how to digest food. Some of them had to stay in the camp for even a year or two after the war recovering. But this time it was so they could live. The Allied Red Cross came and they were actually being cared for, so that they could live. The Liberation was just the beginning, they were now having to push to heal, to live.General Patton told his men "take a lot of photographs because someone, somewhere will say this didn't happen" The Survivors are starting to pass away, the youngest of Survivors are now in their 80s-90s. God Forever Bless Them
@10:12 the most heart wrenching setup
The existence of several different camps was known to Allied high command through various information sources, but not known by the armies in the field. There were unbelievably German citizens who were honestly unaware of the concentration camps. The nazi propaganda machine and police state society attempted to control, and often did control, what the population under nazi control knew about the genocide through media, official lies and crafted rumors.
Much like the citizens in Japan would, German citizens quickly realized their burden of guilt was in not realizing the extent of their government's lies until after it's surrender.
Many of the inmate actors were terminally ill cancer patients.
To me there some scenes everybody should see at least once in their life : The Omaha Beach scene from Saving Private Ryan is one of them and so is this concentration camp scene.
I've watched this series literally dozens of times and it's been a pleasure watching it through your eyes and seeing your passion about the filmmaking and production. My father was a Marine and I followed in his footsteps he instilled a lot of patriotism and love of country in me. This is truly a piece of cinematic art and probably the most important production ever I believe this should be required part of curriculum in every school in this country especially today
_this should be required part of curriculum in every school in this country especially today_
Only in a certain context and that students are told the liberation and associated scenes (except for the civilian burying the dead) are fictional. Easy Company was not involved in the liberation of any concentration camp. The camp depicted in Band of Brothers is Kaufering IV which was actually found and liberated by the 12th Armored Division on April 27, 1945 with units of the 101st arriving on April 28...but Easy Company was not one of them.
This is a very emotional episode. Your reaction and your questions are valid to ask.
These questions are always asked. Why did the Jewish people not resist? What did the German people know? Why did the German people not say anything? How was The SHOAH allowed to happen?
The Holocaust was the most terrible of Pogroms committed against European Jews. Pogroms started perhaps with The Bubonic Plague. Pogroms were systematic persecutions of the Europeans Jews painting them as scapegoats for some calamity such as the plague, economic downturns or even because Jewish people were becoming too rich and that threatened the power of the local Burgermeisters. Jewish people would be scapegoated, beat up , run off, with some killed while having possessions and property confiscated which solved none of the aforementioned problems. Eventually the Jewish people would be brought back because their ability as merchants and other skills was important to the economy of Europe.
By the time the Holocaust happened, the Jewish people and the German people were too used to this cycle. Therefore the apathy of the Germans and the compliance of Jewish people contributed to allowing the Holocaust.
People who paid attention to Mein Kampf new the dark secret of the coming pogrom to be wrought on the European Jews by Hitler and the NAZIS. Many Germans bought into Hitler's antisemitism which was on full display and participated on the attempt to wipe out European Jewry.
There were those who spoke out, resisted and assisted Jewish people. One of those who spoke out was German actor Curd Jürgens (future Bond Villain Stromberg in The Spy Who Loved Me). He was sent to a forced labor camp in 1944.
If you have not see Jojo Rabbit, it is a must watch. It is a dark comedy from director Taika Waititi who also stars in the movie. Scarlett Johansson and Sam Rockwell give wonderful performances as always and they are always a win. In fact, it's my favorite performance by Scarlett. Thomasin McKenzie was great, too. The lead is Roman Griffin Davis as the title character Joseph 'Jojo' Betzler and his best friend is Yorkie played by Archie Yates. Yates steals every scene he is in. It may be a comedy but it is a gut punch, too. Well worth the watch.
Really tough episode. But very aptly named. This is why people need to fight, and prevent it from ever happening again.
Great reaction as always
"Why We Fight" is the name of a series of films produced by US Gov't to explain to US Soldiers/Sailors/Airmen/Marines what thus US was fighting for. All the Easy Co. Soldiers would have seen it. Here is link to the first one ua-cam.com/video/wcAsIWfk_z4/v-deo.html
@@alanholck7995 nice, thanks!
In the documentary, one of the officers ( i wont say who) was asked about taking over peoples houses. He basically said, "The Germans had unleashed a war that killed millions. They had systematically tried to murder an entire race. If I had to take one of their houses to bed my men down for the night or if some of my men had picked up some trinkets- I had no problem with that." Which is fair.
Winters said it
Very thoughtful response...thanks. WWII is a mind-boggling era in human history in its horror, destruction and insanity. Just consider these facts about our so-called "ally" the Soviet Union. For the first 1/3 of WWII NAZI Germany and the Soviet Union were allied: they drew up plans for cutting up and colonizing the countries that lay between them. Then, of course, Hitler betrayed Stalin and NAZI Germany and the Soviet Union were bitter enemies for the remaining 2/3 of the war. Meanwhile, for the entire war, the Soviet Union had a non-aggression pact with the Japanese Empire, effectively giving Japan a safe backstop to their north and west. That means, while American boys were dying on beaches in the Pacific to the west and south, the Soviet Union had Japan's back! In fact, when we bombed Japan in a commando raid (The Doolittle Raid), early in the war, one of our bombers had to make an emergency landing in the Soviet Union. Our Airmen sat in a Soviet prison for over a year while the Soviet Union copied our bomber design! Now, get this, all this was happening while America was sending the Soviet Union free of charge these things to fight the Germans: 13,000 tanks, 14,000 planes, 400,000 jeeps & trucks, 8,000 tractors, 1.5 million blankets, 15 million pairs of army boots, 107,000 tons of cotton, 2.7 million tons fuel, and 4.5 million tons of food. And 2 days AFTER the USA dropped the Hiroshima bomb, the Soviet Union declared war on Japan: with the hopes of invading and grabbing some pieces of Japan for themselves like a jackal stealing peaces of meat off a lion's kill. Militarily, the Soviet Union sucked. They had ONE enemy (Germany), to fight on ONE front on their home turf (Eastern Front), more or less in one dimension: land. The USA and UK fought 3 enemies, in the air, on the sea, below the sea, and on land, on dozens of battle fields from the Arctic Circle to the Sahara Desert to the South Pacific to the North Pacific. Soviet lovers like to say "But Russia won the war: they lost more soldiers than any country!" Yes, they lost 11 million men killing 3 million German men...but is having a higher death toll than you enemy victory? Really? It is a sign of incompetence, not success. And, the Soviet Union brought slavery back to Europe in 1917: many more human beings died as property of the Soviet State in their Slave Camp Gulags than ever existed in the Antebellum American south! The Soviet Union had slavery in the century you were born, young lady! Finally, the Soviet Union was a malevolent Colonial Oppressor up to the 1990s when the Soviet Union finally collapsed. Colonies of the Soviet Union were: Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine and Uzbekistan. And you can include East Germany too! Bottom line: the bad guys of WWII were (1) NAZI Germany, (2) Fascist Italy, (3) Imperial Japan and (4) the Soviet Union.
Louder again for all the people in the back
And now you get to experience 10. Not like this one but it delivers incredible emotions. Every inch of number 10 has something that will grab you.
The 10th episode is definitely an emotional rollercoaster as well but it's one that will make you tear up and smile at the same time. A much different feeling.
@@joedufour8188 Yep
Or just let her fucking watch it on her own, and hit "like" if you like it. It's not like she's not going to proceed to part 10 without your "manly guidance." "Every inch?" What a fucking old creep you sound.
Nox is so gorgeous!
No lies detected
I'm normally a very patient person, but what happened to the final episode?? It's been more than a month! Still looking forward to your reaction to how this all ends.
Ms. Nox, I despair of waiting for you to post your reaction to episode 10. Your reactions to the 1st nine were superlative, and, personally, I feel cheated that you never posted a reaction to the finale. I would guess that there's a good reason, and I, above all, hope that you are fine. Thanks for all of the reactions that you did post, for this series and for every other video.
I don't know if you realize this but you have "A quiet place" in your band of brothers playlist instead of episode 10
💔 your choice of words very touching I cried with you take care of yourself
Episode 10 will make you smile
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me."
-Martin Niemöller
I'm not sure how much it's still taught these days, "just following orders" has actually become known as the Nuremberg defence because it was so often used at the Nuremberg trials after the war and the tribunals decided it's not a valid defence. It's now part of the Geneva convention ratified in 1949 that soldiers have a moral imperative to refuse orders like that, international law supersedes national laws.
What we need people to remember is these were people. It's important we don't dehumanize them.
I was watching your reaction, and yes, you knew the hammer was going to fall but it hadn't yet. I thought to myself, "Girl, prepare to have your heart ripped out." And it was. I cried right along with you, even though I've seen this episode dozens of times. For now, I'm collecting superlatives to shower on you at the end, but you were at peak form here.
it’s lucky they found one of the prisoners who was lucid enough to be able to explain about the camp
(to add the meaning of this episode, alot of the actors for the death camp scenes were actually cancer patients from a near by hospital)
From 1942 to 1945 director Frank Capra (It's A Wonderful Life, among others) did a series of propaganda films for the War Department titled, "Why We Fight." Not for reaction, but a good place for backstory on the war.
Almost completely forgotten today are the Japanese atrocities throughout Asia and the Pacific. In China especially it came to an unspeakably horrifying climax in the city of Nanking, remembered in the book The Rape of Nanking. Iris Chang, who researched and wrote it fell into a deep depression and committed suicide. And while the Nazis went to great lengths to select psychopaths and sociopaths for camp guards and their murder squads in Russia, the average Imperial Japanese Army soldiers were quite happy to blacken their names and honor forever.
Then there's Unit 731, that conducted medical experiments that would have made Mengele blanch.
And so many people wring their hands over the dropping of the A-bombs as some sort of moral equivalence, when it saved a million Allied casualties and possibly the extinction of the Japanese race, as previewed by the civilian mass suicides in Okinawa and the soldiers fighting to nearly the last man. The IJA were arming women and children with bamboo spears in anticipation of the invasion of Japan hoping they'd kill one soldier each.
As bad as this film was it was watered down or it could not have been shown. i have seen the uncensored footage filmed by the army and it is beyond horrific. i am a very strong minded man but it broke me and once seen it can not be unseen. the biggest part of the ones that survived had lost everything no home no family no friends no where to go. as for a lot of the soldiers that liberated these camps they were never the same when they went home they had seen death on a big scale but nothing could have prepared them for what they found. i knew 2 men who were part of the army who first found these camps and for the rest of their lives they had screaming nightmares every single night untill they passed away 50 and 54 years later they never told of what they saw and if asked they would leave the room crying and visibly shaking and i understand why after seeing the real filming. I Hope all that suffered now rest in eternal peace...
I was reading Rush bands Geddy Lees story of his parents in WW2. They both survived the concentration camps, but it was 2 years before they found each other. It was that long of a timeline finding places for these people to go. They were on a ship to New York, but America was tired of refugees by then and their ship was turned away. They were diverted to Canada. And that was one of millions of stories of the long lasting ripples from that terrible time. We can never forget the lessons. Makes me sick to see refugees being used as political publicity pawns now. Grow a Heart people. They are all people too.
10:52
It’s Serbian. He is saying:
Please help my father. He’s still alive. Please help him.
The Germans and Poles knew. They supported what was happening. My uncle was one of the ones who liberated the German camps like Buchenwald. He said that you could smell it for miles.
While there were Polish collaborators, like many other countries (see Vichy France and Milice), most Poles did not support the destruction of their country.
*From the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum:*
The Nazis considered Poles to be racially inferior. Following the military defeat of Poland by Germany in September 1939, the Germans launched a campaign of terror intended to destroy the Polish nation and culture and to reduce the Poles to a leaderless population of peasants and workers laboring for German masters.
In the weeks following the German attack on Poland, German SS, police, and military units shot thousands of Polish civilians, including many members of the Polish nobility, clergy, and intelligentsia. In the spring of 1940, the German occupation authorities launched AB-Aktion, a plan to systematically eliminate Poles considered to be members of the “leadership class.” The aim was to remove those Poles seen as most capable of organizing resistance to German rule and to terrorize the Polish population into submission. The Germans shot thousands of teachers, priests, and other intellectuals in mass killings. Nazi officials sent thousands more to the newly built Auschwitz concentration camp, to Stutthof, and to other concentration camps in Germany where non-Jewish Poles constituted the majority of inmates until March 1942.
Hitler intended to “Germanize” Poland by replacing the Polish population with German colonists. Only enough Poles would be retained as were needed for basic labor, the rest would be driven out or killed. As a first step, Nazi governors in the annexed territories (such as Arthur Greiser in the Warthegau View This Term in the Glossary and Albert Forster in Danzig-West Prussia) forcibly deported hundreds of thousands of Poles into the Generalgouvernement. More than 500,000 ethnic Germans were then settled in these areas. In 1942-43, SS and Police units carried out Germanization actions in the Zamosc region of the Generalgouvernement, forcibly removing some 100,000 Polish civilians, including 30,000 children. Families were broken up, many victims were sent to concentration camps or to forced labor, and over 4,000 children were shipped to the Reich as suitable for Germanization. In all, at least 20,000 Polish children were taken from their families, transferred to the Reich, and subjected to "Germanization" policies.
The actors playing the Jews were all cancer patients from local hospitals. The cast members had not seen the concentration camp prior to shooting. A lot of the reactions of horror from the soldiers were real.
Never forget.
Sad to say, but I feel that this history is in the early stages of repeating itself. Think about how people behaved during the covid lockdowns for example. If you dared question the governments policies, if you dared to question Fauchi and the CDC, about half of our country's citizens treated you like you were some sort of counter revolutionary. And certain political leaders encouraged us to snitch on each other for not following the rules, turn each other in etc. And people gladly did it. I draw the comparison because these types of social controls, although not the same as those instituted by the nazis, are similar and can ultimately lead to genocides. The nazis had a slogan.. "Fur ihre siecherheit" which means "for your safety". Sound familiar?
Wow really? So following CDC guidelines is like Nazi Germany? Lol. Wear a mask, wash your hands, stay 6 feet apart... it's not that effing hard. I lost 2 family members to COVID. When I had COVID it was horrible and I got it because I had to work. If anything people following after a single person who uses actual propaganda like someone who wanted to make Germany great again. To follow a single person blindly who speaks so charismatically reminds me of the beginning and raise of Nazi Germany. Wants to get rid of certain groups of people. Those of us that live in the real world saw it. I'm not a Democrat I'm a Libertarian, I'm the daughter of an Army Sgt., I love my country, I'm against trying to overthrow the government because someone told me to try to kill people in my nation's capital, I have family that has fought from the Civil War era and every war since. Do not EVER compare my country to Nazi Germany for trying to make sure people weren't dying of an illness. Look up the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918 and you'll see the US handled it the same way BEFORE WWII and Hitler. So no history isn't repeating itself here Gregg 🙄🙄
@@NessaBear90 I consider myself a Libertarian too.. for many reasons. Right leaning, but no Republican. We are not a Nazi country, nor a Communist country. In the last few years, we have become more and more polarized. And covid only made things worse. There have been outbreaks of other serious respiratory viruses, such as H1N1, and there was also West Nile.. which killed and maimed lots of people.. and we were encouraged to take universal precautions. Which most people did. Despite the precautions, people still contracted these illnesses and were harmed or died. But we didn't institute draconian and inconsistent mandates that were as or more harmful than the diseases themselves. Taking universal precautions is not being a Nazi. But.. shaming and reporting others for not doing as you do, blindly following hypocritical leaders (the ones who kept getting caught in public without a mask etc) is very dangerous behavior. I encourage you to research the social credit system in China. Their SARS regulations, which started 20 something years ago, have led to their current state of affairs. The lockdowns in the Western world were by the way modeled after China's lockdowns. If you don't think it can happen here, think again. Oh and about January 6th, yeah that was wrong. No question. Never should have happened.
Watch “the pacific” you’ll enjoy it
Not sure enjoy is the right word but it is really worth watching
The Pacific Aint Got A Patch On Band Of Brothers
You're so right about how O'Keefe is just happy to be there! Oof, poor kid.
I saw this for the first time in grade 12 social studies and my teacher accidentally started it right before the sex scene and then FAST FORWARDED THROUGH IT.
Rewatching it, this episode broke me, and the saddest thing is, is that antisemitism wasn't uncommon and people all over the world knew what was happening (although, I'm not sure to the extent of the Holocaust) and chose to do nothing.
It's rough - and thank you for being so vulnerable here! It's hard.
In the beginning and at the end where the Germans are playing Beethoven, it was such a well written pair of scenes. The soldiers mistook it for Mozart, who was Austrian just like Hitler was, though Hitler is often mistaken for being German. By playing a song by a German composer like Beethoven, it signified that Germany was now back in the hands of Germans rather than a mad Austrian.
The vast majority of Germany didn't know about the camps. After Kristallnacht in 1938, Hitler was pissed that it was actually causing sympathy for Jews among German populace. So their propaganda minister told the people that Jews would be moved out of town for their own safety and to help with the war efforts; only part of that was true. When the camps were discovered and the Germans were interrogated, many were horrified over such things existing. The few people who did know about the camps either supported them, or kept their heads down out of fear of being sent there. And that shame and horror continues to this day. When Josef Mengele's remains were finally identified, his family was so ashamed of what he did at Auschwitz that they refused to have his bones flown back to Germany to be buried.
The 300,000 Germans that you saw marching was the Ruhr pocket; one of the last lines of defense in Germany. German resistance and SS had been fighting back and forth to get control of cities like Hamburg; convincing the Allies that if they could get the Ruhr pocket to stand down, then the Allies would not bomb cities like Hamburg. As you can see, the Ruhr pocket was mostly old men and young boys; it didn't take much to make them consider surrender.
The camp that they found here was Kauffering IV; a sub camp of Dachau.
Are you going to watch the last episode?
One of the things many people don't realise, or forget, was that there were a goodly number of people that DID speak out against the pogroms and the persecution... until they were frogmarched into the camps as well. People stopped speaking out after that, and discouraged themselves and each other from even thinking about it.
On the topic of ‘Did the German people know about the camps’ question: the answer is that most of them very intentionally chose not to know. Everyone knew Hitler’s opinions of the Jews and the rhetoric and detentions and persecution. They knew his stated goal was to purge them utterly. They would have known there was some sort of camp or installation there; it was too close to town to not know. Anyone at any time could have gotten within sight distance and told what they saw. But everyone chose not to, because in their hearts they must have suspected what they would find, and they didn’t want to know. That way they could pretend nothing was happening and their hands were clean. Willful ignorance. Worse than cruelty sometimes.
The question nobody asks: If the German people had known in detail what was being done ni these camps, what could they have done about it? Bear in mind, too, that the worst of the camps weren't even in Germany. They were in Poland.
"Just following orders" doesn't make them innocent also.
To me the most powerful line in television history is from the episode right after one guy said he should've shot himself years ago and saved them all the trouble:
"Yeah he should've, but he didn't."
the musician places his violin in a coffin style case
Tough to watch, but utterly necessary. Good job :)
Perfect example of what happens when one group rises to power with their sights set on others.......
Come back! You are missed. You must watch the last episode! (And Pacific).
There's one more episode
There was a group picture of factory workers who the fuerer came to give a speach in the back row I believe middle all gave the party arm salute except for one man a foreman who did not believe in the brutally of what was going on when the political service went through the photos taken that day they noticed him and he was taken by the gestapo and was never heard from again according to the man's son
To her question....
Second world war was going to happen after the end of the first.
Germany was hit hard by paying money for the destruction caused by the war and Japan was boiling with nationalism.
Both feeling that their people were suffering more then needed....
At one point it just takes one moment to make it all explode again.....
Nox
Actors who portrayed real men of Easy Company were kept away by Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg from the "camp" until day of filming. Because they wanted actors' honest reactions of the "camp". Those "camp" survivors were cancer patients from nearby hospital. I gotten very emotional of this episode. During WWII, Russian soldiers founded the "death camps" in Poland. Majority of "camps" in Germany were work "camps" while ones in Poland are extermination "camps" because if German citizens (Non-Nazi) knew of those "camps", they would protest against Hitler and his regime. After the war, some escaped to South America. Some were captured by America and its allies such as Israel. Some of Hitler's men committed suicide in prison while others put to death by War Crimes Tribunal after Nuremberg Trials.
Man’s inhumanity to man😔
During the Nuremberg War Crimes trials, many upper-echelon Nazis tried the "I was only following orders" defense. It didn't wash.
Letters from Iwo Jima is great if you like Band of Brothers. It's all subtitled though as seen from the Japanese point of view. You'd likely enjoy it. Not sure.
You need to watch Schindler’s List and Saving Private Ryan.
This is why when I hear people today complain about how hard their lives are, or the "fascist" police wiring them a speeding ticket, I just think we've raised several generations of weak people. We live lives of relative luxury thanks to what the people of prior generations accomplished for us.
cried my brains out
What's most surprising to me about reactions to this episode is how surprised most people seem to be. As if they didn't even know of the Holocaust. Using actual Cancer patients to fill the camp, doesn't get any more real than that. Imagine seeing all of the horrors of War...then seeing this. Never Forget.
I also firmly believe the Nazi woman in the vivid red coat is meant to be a reminder of the little Jewish girl in Schindler's List who died in the Holocaust. I don't believe there are coincidences in Spielberg's work.
If you haven't watched all Mike Flanigan's stuff you should add it.
Do you do anime too?
Please give STAR TREK a chance. 🖖
You are a very good person. I have been studying The Holocaust for most of my life and I still find it difficult to try and comprehend the enormity of it all. So, don't feel bad about coming to the point where it's difficult to articulate your feelings about it. Everyone of us falls a little short, when it comes to this subject.
This is why we fight.
If anybody who watches this episode,and dont cry or get sad,then you have no soul.
_If anybody who watches this episode,and dont cry or get sad,then you have no soul._
I have watched this episode many times and I don't cry or feel sad, but then I know that the liberation and associated scenes (except for the civilians burying the dead) are completely fictional. The camp depicted in Band of Brothers is Kaufering IV (Hurlach) which was actually found and liberated on April 27, 1945 by the 12th Armored Division with "Able" (not Easy) Company, 506 PIR, 101st Airborne Division arriving on April 28. And there were only 7 prisoners found alive (those who been able to hide), along with about 500 bodies. Steven Spielberg wanted something Holocaust related in Band of Brothers and so created this fictional version of the liberation of Kaufering IV.
From the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum:
_In Bavaria, two major camp systems, Mühldorf and Kaufering, were set up as subcamps of the Dachau concentration camp. Its inmates provided the labor necessary to build subterranean facilities for fighter aircraft production in the Landsberg area. The region was chosen in part because of its favorable geological composition for the construction of huge underground installations, which were to be insulated by 9 to 15 feet thick concrete walls._
_To house the concentration camp prisoners, the SS created camps near the proposed industrial sites. At the Kaufering and Mühldorf camps, prisoners often slept in poorly heated and badly provisioned earthen huts, which were partially submerged in the soil and covered with earth to disguise them from the air. The larger of Kaufering's 11 camps each contained several thousand prisoners, the vast majority of whom were Jews. Disease, malnutrition, and the brutal conditions in the workplace and in the camps took its toll on the inmates, resulting in a high mortality rate._
_As US armed forces approached the Kaufering complex in late April 1945, the SS began evacuating the camps, sending the prisoners on death marches in the direction of Dachau. Those inmates who could not keep up were often shot or beaten to death by the guards. At Kaufering IV, the SS set fire to the barracks killing hundreds of prisoners who were too ill or weak to move._
_When the 12th Armored Division and 101st Airborne Division arrived at Kaufering IV on April 27 and 28, respectively, the soldiers discovered some 500 dead inmates. In the days that followed, the US Army units ordered the local townspeople to bury the dead._
Why haven’t you posted episode 10 yet? Had to come back to this episode to ask because 10 still hasn’t come.
love your heart felt reactions
The troops already knew why they were fighting. They had already liberated Holland, Belgium and parts of France. However, this situation was way more startling to them.
As to people speaking up, that chance had passed years earlier. When the German government grabbed complete control of every means of fighting for sanity ( the media, the courts, weapons, industrial production), it became virtually impossible.
The Holocaust did not prompt the war. Germany’s invasion of Poland specifically, and most of the rest of Europe and Northern Africa led to it.
There was a resistance underground operation/partisans in all countries who were occupied by Nazi Germany, with varying success.
There was also collaboration in every country as well - and although Germany claimed to be free of any Jewish people, there were people in hiding.
And you're right that the Holocaust didn’t prompt the war - especially since antisemitism was being preached in pulpits, and immigrant ships fleeing Nazi Germany had already been turned back.
I feel like seeing this tragedy saved Nixon. All the problems piling on him at the start of the episode went right out the door when he saw the suffering of those in the camps.
What happened to Episode 10?? Are you really going to watch 9 out of 10 episodes and stop there? It's only one more and much less heavy than Episode 9!
Share your feelings in a very deep way……
I loved your reaction
Well I guess you haven't seen Schindler's List... maybe you should... a very good Spielberg film, but also very hard to watch...
I think what's interesting is that America didn't join the war because they knew about the camps or the holocaust but because they were attacked by Japan and joined the Allies in Europe only because Germany was trying to take land and gain control over other sovereign nations. It's an interesting thought experiment but if Germany had stayed within its own borders yet killed all the Jews in their own country, would the allies have done anything? Does Germany have the right to do whatever they want to whoever they want within their own borders or do we have an obligation to go in and stop this tyranny? Moving it to todays context do we attack China to liberate the Uyghur people who are being deeply persecuted in China, or do we let them do whatever they want to vulnerable people because they are the leaders of that land. If they invaded Japan we would have precedent to do it but without an invasion, what can foreign countries do? Fascinating to think about global responsibility in tension with each nations sovereignty
Please watch the movie "The Blues Brothers" (1980)
No episode 10 or documentary :(
How's it going nox?
Let's all try to understand how each of us can become a concentration camp guard, so we never let that happen again.
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