My ten pence worth here, apart from thanking Mr Tuna for his kind work, is that the Juno X is best for gigging because it is light, and the Jupiter X is better for studio. The new super saw waveshape for the Juno X is now available as a firmware update for the Jupiter X, and the Jupiter X comes with a larger variety of models, some of which you have to buy extra, if you want to hit the road with your Juno X. Finally Mr Tuna recorded the Jupiter X louder than he recorded the Juno X, and much, but not all in every instance, of the perceived 'fatness' comes from that difference. Thanks for reading.
This is like the only noodling vid of the Jupiter-X engine on here. Thanks Mr. Tuna. 🤘🤘 I'm very happy they gave the JPX it's own engine. It feels a lot more like it's own thing rather than an archive of Roland predecessors. If this engine was in during the release I would've kept mine, now I need it back lol... That said, I'm excited for what'll be in store for 4.0. It would be an awesome but crazy idea if they think of implementing additional wave shapes beyond the basics of what there already is, like maybe some wavetables (something like the Prophet 12 or so related). That'll be even more sound exploration. Then we'll be getting an entirely whole new beast of a Jupiter with that. Or better yet, surpass it's predecessors.
for sure the JPX engine absolutely makes the synth a much more capable machine! I really feel like its 'complete' now, but i would be very excited if they started expanding the capabilities (like what they did with the system-8 fm functionality)
@@MRTUNA It be great if Roland engineers do go that route with the JP-X, as like the S8. What'll be great also is if it ever crosses their minds to implement wave-morphing. Think of what'll be getting to if that's in, along with wavetables and AM / FM (linear, exp.) functions... They should utilize the ability of the synth being a digital / VA to the max, and step the Jupiter lineage out of the heritage for a bit on to newer frontiers. Right now it does feel complete like you said, but it can definitely go for a lot more 🌌 btw I've got my JP-X again!! So happy with it! 😎🤘
Just played a Jupiter X- 😮💨 i said I'd never fall in love again. ugh. Just when i thought i was over hardware. And i didn't learn of the XM & Juno X until searching prices for the Jupiter. Ugh. Thanks for sharing. these instruments are amazing.
great sounds on both! im probably more preferential to the jupiter but that might just be for the namesake haha. great job on the editing too it looks great!
Mr Tuna. Many thanks for your video. Can you please clarify one thing for me ? Other than X models don’t sound the same on Jupiter X Vs Juno X at the end, are their Jupiter X model specifications the same on the paper ? I mean, when you buy the Jupiter X model for the Juno X, does it benefit from the new stuff they introduced in v3.0 of Jupiter X’ firmware ? Like the 4 OSC’s, the PWM/LFO/ENV parameters and other tweaks they added to the Jupiter X model ? Or is it the original 2 OSC model based on the Jupiter 8 ? I currently have the Xm and I’m hesitating in switching to the Juno X for its 61 aftertouch keyboard and still acceptable weight compared to a full blown Jupiter X. I wouldn’t want to lose the potential of the new Jupiter X model if I do the switch. Thank you. Your answer will be very valuable for me.
Following. I have same questions. In addition, I’m wondering if the Juno keybed is lighter or the same as Jupiter. If it’s keybed is same, it may compliment my Xm.
Thanks for this really cool comparison! I'm really torn between those two, the juno looks a bit more tight and docile than the jupiter...Juno seems to be a bit more team player where jupiter wants to shine (I like your point "saws are dominant in jupiter, squares in juno", that says a lot). In some areas juno sounds a bit deeper and richer when you're not asking too much and let it do its thing, where jupiter wants to be driven a bit more in terms of playing to really express itself, as a lead synth or a more standalone voice and instrument... I wonder if I'm understanding this right, I'm looking for the next synth to expand my setup, between the prophet 10, the moogs, and other various machines, and I'm not necessarily looking for the craziest leads or the deepest chords, but more for something quite versatile that would bring the "roland signature" to my setup. I never had the chance to play both at the same time to really compare, but from what you're showing here, my takeaway is that Juno might fit in more situations and bring more versatility where Jupiter might be here to steal the show...in which case Juno is the one I need I'd say..so thanks again, I don't have my answer yet, but now I know a bit more!
Nice comparison. I like that you did the unique X engines on each since that is mainly what makes them stand apart (aside from the visual/interface). That said, I like commentary videos more than no talking content. Hearing the presenter’s thoughts and opinions is just as valuable as hearing the sounds in my opinion - especially when the sounds being heard are so dependent on how the listener is consuming the content (phone, tv, earphones, monitors, etc.), not to mention any loss of quality do to the rendering and compression of the audio recording between the keyboard and making it to UA-cam. So… while I do appreciate the sound examples and great playing don’t hesitate to share your thoughts as well it’s just as valuable.
I ask for advice MR TUNA, I've been really in crisis for more than a month. I don't know whether to buy Juno X or Jupiter X (I would even go crazy to buy both, but basically I'm a guitarist) I love the Juno X but I understand the possibilities and expansions on the JPX included in the package and above I think a better keyboard. My question is, is there enough Juno in Jupiter X? Can the chorus satisfy me? What do you feel like recommending? Thank you in case of your reply and a possible conversation of a few messages. thanks and congratulations
Went with the Juno X I couldn’t resist 😂. I’ll get the ltk’s for the most applicable add ons for me if and when needed. They function differently but zen core and abm have them exactly where they should be imo. Anyway I use the MPC X for all my sequencing so yes I had to go JUNO. Great vid friend your channel is always the best!
As a first time synth buyer I bought a Jupiter X cause I got it for $1800 and at first I didn’t not like the UI and everything felt hard to navigate but I’m learning and the thing is just packed with potential but the learning curve is definitely something to look out for
I like that there actually seems to be a difference between the two despite both having Zencore Engines. Can a patch created on be transferred to the other? Also, would you consider a full on jam using the two the drum machines?
they definitely come out wildly different even when im trying to program them relatively close--- I would definitely do a full jam with the drum machines too! ill put that on my list
you cand send patches back and forth but only in models that the two have in common--- a sound built in the jupiter-x software engine cant be sent to the Juno-X software engine and vice versa, but Juno-106 patches can!
@@MRTUNA That’s dope. I have the Jupiter and was contemplating getting the Juno but didn’t want it to feel redundant. Your vids and more importantly your feedback are a lifesaver. Not for my pockets though lol.
@@MRTUNA "I would definitely do a full jam with the drum machines too! ill put that on my list" Good idea! I would really like that kind of drum machine jam to get inspiration for the Jupiter X- drums. 👋😃
This is great, thanks... it's really changing my mind about the analog/digital debate. Can you tell me, how do the keybeds compare to the fatar ones on sequential products like rev 2, or OB-6?
I've got the Jupiter X as well as the Prophet 5 Rev 4. The keybeds on both are excellent. The keybed on the Prophet feels very smooth and dynamic. The Jupiter X keybed may be the slightest bit lighter. I can do some really fast runs on it. If I had to pick one it would be the Jupiter X, but I've already managed to partially break one of the keys; it doesn't return as quickly as it should and I can feel some friction when playing it. I don't play especially hard so it gives me a bit of pause considering Roland's build quality, especially on such an expensive instrument. Simply for the fact that the Prophet has held up better I will give it the point as far as how the keybed plays. Both are great though.
Great video! Can you please provide me advise on the following: How do I setup the arpeggios on a Jupiter-X/Juno-X, so that they play independent from each other other multiple keyboard splits? I tried to setup keyboard ranges for each parts, but no matter what I do the arp's do not play independent. Play an arp on one split and it affects the arps on other split. It looks like the arps cannot be separated and are triggered by the entire keyboard, despite the key ranges.
Love your videos. I have a few days before my window to return the Juno x will pass. Do you think the Jupiter x is a better way to go? In terms of action, sound, control etc. I don’t mind spending the extra to get the Jupiter x if it’s going to be better in the long term. Thanks
I think the only reason to go with the Jupiter is for the extra controls, it definitely makes sound design easier--- but the screen on the side is super frustrating placement and is much much nicer on the Juno. If you have to take it places, go with the Juno, its much much more portable. if you want to sound design, go with the Jupiter- its just better for that. everything else is basically the same
Are all the Roland synths that use Roland cloud, all the same sounds, as they all can download the same expansions, and all have the old Roland classics on board, I think the Juno x, Jupiter x/xm have the same sounds for sure, it looks like all the others do as well.
Thanks for this video! The Jupiter sounds more aggressive than the Juno and a bit thicker too. I like them both though, If I had to pick one I couldn't. LOL
@MR TUNA Music The Jupiter sounds louder and feels like it has more polyphony. Juno is not carrying all of the notes. Could be more true to the nature of the original synthesizer. Is there a mode where you can access the full depth and polyphony (256) of the Zen Core engine?
it was a tragedy that i couldnt match the gains quite right at the beginning--- they are equally as loud as each other but i definitely had the jupiter a little high and that made it seem bigger and badder
Dumb question but are the keys on the Jupiter-X thinner than those on the Juno-X or is the apparent difference in overall keybed length just a matter of perspective?
Looking at this in 2024, I guess this begs two questions - 1) Is there value in the $900 premium that the Jupiter-X commands over the Juno-X? and 2) Aside from the fact that each synth's panel was designed to closely mimic their legendary counterparts, is it worth investing in both for a Roland fanatic's rig, especially considering that the Juno-X has an available Jupter-8 Model Expansion on Roland Cloud? Speaking of Model Expansions, it's also kind of strange that the only common Model Expansion available for both synths as of the time of this writing is the JD-800.
I really don’t think it makes sense to own both in a real use scenario. I was lucky enough to be involved with Roland for the launch of these two synths so I hold that in a kind of sentimental way… and it’s really cool for complimenting each other in jams that I make. The Juno is definitely a more “gig friendly” unit….. it’s way lighter with all of the same features and a few less controls. It also learned from some of the mistakes on the Jupiter like a nice center screen. Im not so sure there’s 900 difference between them but the JPX is way bigger and heavier… like truly a monster heavy machine and I understand the keyboard is of higher quality but they both feel excellent to me As far as model expansions go I have the vocal designer loaded up on both models as well! I
Dang, I am trying to get a workstation...checking out the new Fantom which is crazy 4K price, and these two synths, though they aren't considered workstations, they do have multimbral capabilities...yes? Anyway, It's between one of these Rolands, a Yamaha Montage (Yeah I know, not really a workstation), Kurzweil K2700 or a used Kronos. Don't like the Nautilus. Thoughts?
I have the SH-201 and a JP 8000. I want the Jupiter-X I think, is it not a superset to some degree over the Juno, or is it the other way around, or are they both mutually exclusive in the digital engine, i.e. the jupiter-x is not a juno-x and vice-versa. My understanding is the Juno is probably easier for noobs, which I am
Notice that no one replied to your query. The Roland fan boys won't tell you that, when all is said and done, ALL digital synths are software synths. Including, and specially, my two Access Virus TIs and my Nord 2x; which I would never trade for any other synth, analog or digital.
Can these synths sound anything other than ambient? I love the Peak, Take 5, System 1, Ultranova, Bass Station 2, MicroKorg, MicroKorg XL+, KingKorg, Kross 2 and can't stand ambient sounding synths.
Put in an order for the Juno but may switch it to the Jupiter. But the main thing I’m worried about is the weight of the Jupiter. Does it feel way heavier?
I love love love the Jpx but it *is* heavy... noticeably heavier than the Juno. Its still the more complete interface tho and it really has an awesome presence in the studio
@@MRTUNA firstly thanks for your time in making this. According to Digital Music, the keys on the Jupiter X are not only longer but also more heavily weighted than those of the Juno X ua-cam.com/video/tYMM-ZaKExU/v-deo.html
@@TheCbone1979 always cross refer when watching youtube videos! I have no idea whether Digital Music or Mr Tuna are right as they both disagree, but I'd suggest Roland technical, or a main dealer, would know for sure so long as you were talking to a Roland product Specialist!! I have in the past owned every Juno ever made, and Jupiter 8 and Jupiter 6 as well. Jupiter 8 had a superior keyboard to Juno 6, and 60, and 106. But all were really good and I'm pretty certain that they'd both be good now. My choice, unless you need lightweight for gigging would be the Jupiter X, because the latest firmware update adds the new waveshape featured so prominently in this video to the Jupiter X, so both keyboards have it.
Just curious - what do you do when you’re not playing with synths on UA-cam, Mr Tuna? Are you a deep-sea fisherman? Or do you reject the fish, that makes John West, the best? 😉 I mean, maybe - right?! ☺️
I had the chance to compare them yesterday. And sorry they are not the same! Similar, but with the same headphone and same mic used, they are different!
As someone who has both I think its extreeeemely redundant but i still find lots of use for them! they are exactly the same sounds ------ but the juno is more portable and learned a lot of lessons from the jupiter. the jupiter is just so big and bad i cant help but say its the one for me
I love the super fat sounds of the Jupiter X, but I've seen other channels demonstrate that exact same sound on the Juno X, pressing the Jupiter X model bank first, then selecting from the available patches and modifying them to taste. For me, the issue is price and Juno X sits more within my wallet's abilities as of now..
I’m thinking to buy one as well but really it’s just the interface? I’m thinking … Jupiter X …and buy some extra samples or patches to add some Juno flavour in. Your opinion? Or ?
@@allencowley2112 yes they are literally exactly the same internals, the sound will be identical---- *but* you would definitely have a better time creating and editting the JPX sounds on the JPX just because it has so many more controls than the Juno does. Youd be a lot happier packing that Juno to gigs tho
yes and no. They are both zen core synths, but the Jupiter-X and Juno-X software models within each one is specific to the model in question, so there are some differences and at this time you cannot install Jupiter-X on Juno-X or vice-versa as far as I know
prophet-6 = awesome analog goodness. very rich and dark with great effects. Juno-X = 4 huge synths stacked on top of each other, 1000000x times the polyphony, a drum machine, bluetooth midi/audio interface, actually useable built in speakers, and a much deeper feature set. It sounds incredible as well with great effects. I have both. Ive kept both. I cant tell you whats better for you, but the Juno-x definitely does more and sounds good doing it
i have system8. i don't like the look and the keybed. i hesitate to switch to junox for looking and keybed but i fear the sound to be less 'emotional' than the acb system8 106 emulation....
Just curious these are specifically the Juno 106 engines right? Not Juno x engine vs 60 or 106? Seems like the Jupiter has more bite? But I think that’s only due to the slight variations of knobs that’s just human. I honestly don’t see why they should be different in any way at all? There’s no reason for them to be. I always feel like roland is out to trick me… and they have kind of been caught doing that on record, straight up lying about the Gaia’s oscillators not being sample based. Zen core seems to definitely have different sounds than other engines
But there’s just something about Roland’s business practices, Their marketing and their prices- like why y’all making it harder for people to trust you, unless you yourselves get down to the nitty gritty and make deep deeeep comparisons of your own products with competitors. I think roland would do really good if they pitched the Juno x against all its ‘soundalikes’ Roland: “and that’s the roland difference” better than the rest. Straight up put your money where your mouth is kinda marketing. I’m slowly being inched towards buying a Juno x… But behringer is swinging in with the ubxa and the battle for vintage emulations is getting good.
Actually for this demo I am comparing the differences of the sound engines that are specific to each synth, the new “Jupiter X” model that came included with the 3.0 update on the JPX) and the Juno-X synth model that comes stock on the Juno-x hardware (kind of confusing I know) so these are effectively Roland’s two offerings, each with its own sound- the Juno a more simplified version, the Jupiter one that’s a bit more complex
That’s actually not what this comparison is about- it’s more about Juno vs Jupiter and in that sense the Juno really leads with the square wave and the Jupiter with the saw wave. I do end up with both square and saw waves in both patches but this is exploring the differences of two synths that are otherwise identical in sound capabilities, so it’s about the special character of each synth not an exact patch building science (I’ve got lots of those videos too)
The Jupiter is my fav of the two but thats mainly because i like the fullsize interface. other than that they are pretty much identical. if i was traveling or on tour I would want the Juno
They are the same computer under the hood. The only differences are the case and controls. Roland is selling unrepairable microcircuits with corruptible operating systems.
They have the exact same engines but they do not have the exact same models. The Jupiter-X *model* and the Juno-X *model* are specific to each synth so there are definite differences
@@MRTUNA The juno X and Jupiter X are respectively just being able to double those 2 models (which is cool if you are into that), but beyond this, the models arent any different sounding (the ones they share). So yes, you are correct.
This is a little misleading, you don’t seem to use the same engine on both synths so yes, they sound different. But if you were using the same model extension on both synths they would most likely sound pretty much the same unless Roland did something special with the digital to analog conversion.
the idea behind this video is to compare the synth-specfic engines (their namesake models) so that you can get a scope on what the actual differences are between these two keyboards. if i were to compare the same models like a106 and a 106 with the X and the X, it would sound literally exactly the same because they have the same internals. what differentiates these machines other than their user interface are these two X models and so to compare them is like comparing a Juipiter-8 and a Juno-106 but for the modern age. I do many many comparisons where it is the same ideas but this was something that was requested many times by viewers
We're on nigh every stage in some capacity or another. Played by some of the greatest artists of past and present generations. Some ''trash'' that is :)
Recycling the past is what historians do, not those who wish to endure on in an evolving market. The people of today know of yesterday certainly; but they live today. As does the company. You can revisit the past in your leisure but you cannot expect that to be the sole focus. The directors were very clear - no ghosts and to be fit for modern demand/purpose. That required technology with flexibility. With expansion and innovation. That required working closely with musicians and professional stage acts. Thus zen core was born. You cannot please everyone but to envision the decades of hard work and research - all which sells very well - as ‘trash’; is something that is difficult to take seriously in light of all that.
My ten pence worth here, apart from thanking Mr Tuna for his kind work, is that the Juno X is best for gigging because it is light, and the Jupiter X is better for studio. The new super saw waveshape for the Juno X is now available as a firmware update for the Jupiter X, and the Jupiter X comes with a larger variety of models, some of which you have to buy extra, if you want to hit the road with your Juno X. Finally Mr Tuna recorded the Jupiter X louder than he recorded the Juno X, and much, but not all in every instance, of the perceived 'fatness' comes from that difference. Thanks for reading.
Already have the OB-6. I think Jupiter X will compliment it perfectly.
They both sound great, I’d love a juno X
This is like the only noodling vid of the Jupiter-X engine on here. Thanks Mr. Tuna. 🤘🤘 I'm very happy they gave the JPX it's own engine. It feels a lot more like it's own thing rather than an archive of Roland predecessors. If this engine was in during the release I would've kept mine, now I need it back lol... That said, I'm excited for what'll be in store for 4.0. It would be an awesome but crazy idea if they think of implementing additional wave shapes beyond the basics of what there already is, like maybe some wavetables (something like the Prophet 12 or so related). That'll be even more sound exploration. Then we'll be getting an entirely whole new beast of a Jupiter with that. Or better yet, surpass it's predecessors.
for sure the JPX engine absolutely makes the synth a much more capable machine! I really feel like its 'complete' now, but i would be very excited if they started expanding the capabilities (like what they did with the system-8 fm functionality)
@@MRTUNA It be great if Roland engineers do go that route with the JP-X, as like the S8. What'll be great also is if it ever crosses their minds to implement wave-morphing. Think of what'll be getting to if that's in, along with wavetables and AM / FM (linear, exp.) functions... They should utilize the ability of the synth being a digital / VA to the max, and step the Jupiter lineage out of the heritage for a bit on to newer frontiers. Right now it does feel complete like you said, but it can definitely go for a lot more 🌌
btw I've got my JP-X again!! So happy with it! 😎🤘
Have both, still learning lots of muscle here
Just played a Jupiter X- 😮💨 i said I'd never fall in love again. ugh. Just when i thought i was over hardware. And i didn't learn of the XM & Juno X until searching prices for the Jupiter. Ugh. Thanks for sharing. these instruments are amazing.
great sounds on both! im probably more preferential to the jupiter but that might just be for the namesake haha. great job on the editing too it looks great!
yeah the big bad presence of the JPX really gets me
Mr Tuna. Many thanks for your video. Can you please clarify one thing for me ? Other than X models don’t sound the same on Jupiter X Vs Juno X at the end, are their Jupiter X model specifications the same on the paper ?
I mean, when you buy the Jupiter X model for the Juno X, does it benefit from the new stuff they introduced in v3.0 of Jupiter X’ firmware ? Like the 4 OSC’s, the PWM/LFO/ENV parameters and other tweaks they added to the Jupiter X model ? Or is it the original 2 OSC model based on the Jupiter 8 ?
I currently have the Xm and I’m hesitating in switching to the Juno X for its 61 aftertouch keyboard and still acceptable weight compared to a full blown Jupiter X. I wouldn’t want to lose the potential of the new Jupiter X model if I do the switch.
Thank you. Your answer will be very valuable for me.
Following. I have same questions.
In addition, I’m wondering if the Juno keybed is lighter or the same as Jupiter. If it’s keybed is same, it may compliment my Xm.
actually...they compliment each other very well. one is industrial heavier darker the jupiter the juno is sharper, bittersweet memory lane trip feel.
As always , great content my friend!!
The Juno X looks and sounds so classic :)
Yes and yet some fools keep complaining with their analog purist supremacy 😅
Thanks for this really cool comparison! I'm really torn between those two, the juno looks a bit more tight and docile than the jupiter...Juno seems to be a bit more team player where jupiter wants to shine (I like your point "saws are dominant in jupiter, squares in juno", that says a lot). In some areas juno sounds a bit deeper and richer when you're not asking too much and let it do its thing, where jupiter wants to be driven a bit more in terms of playing to really express itself, as a lead synth or a more standalone voice and instrument... I wonder if I'm understanding this right, I'm looking for the next synth to expand my setup, between the prophet 10, the moogs, and other various machines, and I'm not necessarily looking for the craziest leads or the deepest chords, but more for something quite versatile that would bring the "roland signature" to my setup. I never had the chance to play both at the same time to really compare, but from what you're showing here, my takeaway is that Juno might fit in more situations and bring more versatility where Jupiter might be here to steal the show...in which case Juno is the one I need I'd say..so thanks again, I don't have my answer yet, but now I know a bit more!
Nice comparison. I like that you did the unique X engines on each since that is mainly what makes them stand apart (aside from the visual/interface).
That said, I like commentary videos more than no talking content. Hearing the presenter’s thoughts and opinions is just as valuable as hearing the sounds in my opinion - especially when the sounds being heard are so dependent on how the listener is consuming the content (phone, tv, earphones, monitors, etc.), not to mention any loss of quality do to the rendering and compression of the audio recording between the keyboard and making it to UA-cam.
So… while I do appreciate the sound examples and great playing don’t hesitate to share your thoughts as well it’s just as valuable.
I definitely try to do a bit of both! lots of people are in the no-talking camp but i appreciate both sides of the spectrum
I ask for advice MR TUNA, I've been really in crisis for more than a month. I don't know whether to buy Juno X or Jupiter X (I would even go crazy to buy both, but basically I'm a guitarist) I love the Juno X but I understand the possibilities and expansions on the JPX included in the package and above I think a better keyboard. My question is, is there enough Juno in Jupiter X? Can the chorus satisfy me? What do you feel like recommending? Thank you in case of your reply and a possible conversation of a few messages. thanks and congratulations
Went with the Juno X
I couldn’t resist 😂. I’ll get the ltk’s for the most applicable add ons for me if and when needed. They function differently but zen core and abm have them exactly where they should be imo. Anyway I use the MPC X for all my sequencing so yes I had to go JUNO. Great vid friend your channel is always the best!
As a first time synth buyer I bought a Jupiter X cause I got it for $1800 and at first I didn’t not like the UI and everything felt hard to navigate but I’m learning and the thing is just packed with potential but the learning curve is definitely something to look out for
Love your videos, keep doing what you do!
I like that there actually seems to be a difference between the two despite both having Zencore Engines. Can a patch created on be transferred to the other? Also, would you consider a full on jam using the two the drum machines?
they definitely come out wildly different even when im trying to program them relatively close--- I would definitely do a full jam with the drum machines too! ill put that on my list
you cand send patches back and forth but only in models that the two have in common--- a sound built in the jupiter-x software engine cant be sent to the Juno-X software engine and vice versa, but Juno-106 patches can!
@@MRTUNA That’s dope. I have the Jupiter and was contemplating getting the Juno but didn’t want it to feel redundant. Your vids and more importantly your feedback are a lifesaver. Not for my pockets though lol.
@@MRTUNA "I would definitely do a full jam with the drum machines too! ill put that on my list" Good idea! I would really like that kind of drum machine jam to get inspiration for the Jupiter X- drums. 👋😃
Both using zencore engine like the zenology pro?
I was hoping someone would make this comparison. I can hear the differences. Thanks.
This is great, thanks... it's really changing my mind about the analog/digital debate. Can you tell me, how do the keybeds compare to the fatar ones on sequential products like rev 2, or OB-6?
I've got the Jupiter X as well as the Prophet 5 Rev 4. The keybeds on both are excellent. The keybed on the Prophet feels very smooth and dynamic. The Jupiter X keybed may be the slightest bit lighter. I can do some really fast runs on it. If I had to pick one it would be the Jupiter X, but I've already managed to partially break one of the keys; it doesn't return as quickly as it should and I can feel some friction when playing it. I don't play especially hard so it gives me a bit of pause considering Roland's build quality, especially on such an expensive instrument. Simply for the fact that the Prophet has held up better I will give it the point as far as how the keybed plays. Both are great though.
@@GusFogle thanks for the detailed comparison, much appreciated!
Great video!
Can you please provide me advise on the following:
How do I setup the arpeggios on a Jupiter-X/Juno-X, so that they play independent from each other other multiple keyboard splits? I tried to setup keyboard ranges for each parts, but no matter what I do the arp's do not play independent. Play an arp on one split and it affects the arps on other split. It looks like the arps cannot be separated and are triggered by the entire keyboard, despite the key ranges.
Love your videos. I have a few days before my window to return the Juno x will pass. Do you think the Jupiter x is a better way to go? In terms of action, sound, control etc. I don’t mind spending the extra to get the Jupiter x if it’s going to be better in the long term. Thanks
I think the only reason to go with the Jupiter is for the extra controls, it definitely makes sound design easier--- but the screen on the side is super frustrating placement and is much much nicer on the Juno. If you have to take it places, go with the Juno, its much much more portable. if you want to sound design, go with the Jupiter- its just better for that.
everything else is basically the same
You answer the questions that keep me up late at night.
Are all the Roland synths that use Roland cloud, all the same sounds, as they all can download the same expansions, and all have the old Roland classics on board, I think the Juno x, Jupiter x/xm have the same sounds for sure, it looks like all the others do as well.
Thanks for this video! The Jupiter sounds more aggressive than the Juno and a bit thicker too. I like them both though, If I had to pick one I couldn't. LOL
@MR TUNA Music The Jupiter sounds louder and feels like it has more polyphony. Juno is not carrying all of the notes. Could be more true to the nature of the original synthesizer. Is there a mode where you can access the full depth and polyphony (256) of the Zen Core engine?
If you do just a Zencore patch you basically get 128 stereo voices with a TVF. If you use a modeled filter your going to cut down the poly.
@@pixelperfecttv1162 Thanks!
it was a tragedy that i couldnt match the gains quite right at the beginning--- they are equally as loud as each other but i definitely had the jupiter a little high and that made it seem bigger and badder
Dumb question but are the keys on the Jupiter-X thinner than those on the Juno-X or is the apparent difference in overall keybed length just a matter of perspective?
just perspective--- they are all exactly the same as far as i can tell!
Dope af. Great work. Great playing.
So they basically act like midi controller with the same engine ?
Looking at this in 2024, I guess this begs two questions - 1) Is there value in the $900 premium that the Jupiter-X commands over the Juno-X? and 2) Aside from the fact that each synth's panel was designed to closely mimic their legendary counterparts, is it worth investing in both for a Roland fanatic's rig, especially considering that the Juno-X has an available Jupter-8 Model Expansion on Roland Cloud?
Speaking of Model Expansions, it's also kind of strange that the only common Model Expansion available for both synths as of the time of this writing is the JD-800.
I really don’t think it makes sense to own both in a real use scenario. I was lucky enough to be involved with Roland for the launch of these two synths so I hold that in a kind of sentimental way… and it’s really cool for complimenting each other in jams that I make. The Juno is definitely a more “gig friendly” unit….. it’s way lighter with all of the same features and a few less controls. It also learned from some of the mistakes on the Jupiter like a nice center screen.
Im not so sure there’s 900 difference between them but the JPX is way bigger and heavier… like truly a monster heavy machine and I understand the keyboard is of higher quality but they both feel excellent to me
As far as model expansions go I have the vocal designer loaded up on both models as well! I
Which has better key action, less clacky and quiet?
Brilliant bro. Brilliant.
Thanks 🙏🙏🙏
Thank You Tuna!!!
you got it my friend!!
Dang, I am trying to get a workstation...checking out the new Fantom which is crazy 4K price, and these two synths, though they aren't considered workstations, they do have multimbral capabilities...yes? Anyway, It's between one of these Rolands, a Yamaha Montage (Yeah I know, not really a workstation), Kurzweil K2700 or a used Kronos. Don't like the Nautilus. Thoughts?
Fantom-0 series is awesome
I have the SH-201 and a JP 8000. I want the Jupiter-X I think, is it not a superset to some degree over the Juno, or is it the other way around, or are they both mutually exclusive in the digital engine, i.e. the jupiter-x is not a juno-x and vice-versa. My understanding is the Juno is probably easier for noobs, which I am
sounds killer, does the chorus hiss come with an on/off ?
Yes, fully sweepable on the Juno X.
Which is the more beginner friendly?
So basically these synths are just software inside them? Is there a difference from the hardware synth and their Roland zen core digital software ?
Notice that no one replied to your query. The Roland fan boys won't tell you that, when all is said and done, ALL digital synths are software synths. Including, and specially, my two Access Virus TIs and my Nord 2x; which I would never trade for any other synth, analog or digital.
yes they are exactly the same inside. The reason no one replied is because my channel is hilariously unpopular
@@MRTUNA hilariously unpopular? I'm confused.
Can these synths sound anything other than ambient? I love the Peak, Take 5, System 1, Ultranova, Bass Station 2, MicroKorg, MicroKorg XL+, KingKorg, Kross 2 and can't stand ambient sounding synths.
Thank you! That was delicious!
Glad to help!
Is it worth getting the Juno-X as well as the Jupiter X? Why and/or why not?
I pre-ordered the juno, but this is making me want the jupiter. Is the audio coming from the speakers or going through an interface?
both are usb right into the computer
@@MRTUNA oh wow. The jupiter sound is fat
@@parisdontlikeyou I have the JP-X and it certainly does sound fat.
Put in an order for the Juno but may switch it to the Jupiter. But the main thing I’m worried about is the weight of the Jupiter. Does it feel way heavier?
I love love love the Jpx but it *is* heavy... noticeably heavier than the Juno. Its still the more complete interface tho and it really has an awesome presence in the studio
For a couple of hundred euros more I'll take the Jupiter X😉
Which keybed do you like more? Are they identical or the Jupiter X has a better keybed than the Juno X?
They are identical (or I am unable to tell them apart)
@@MRTUNA Thanks!
@@MRTUNA wow that dispels the myth that Juno has as lesser keybed
@@MRTUNA firstly thanks for your time in making this. According to Digital Music, the keys on the Jupiter X are not only longer but also more heavily weighted than those of the Juno X ua-cam.com/video/tYMM-ZaKExU/v-deo.html
@@TheCbone1979 always cross refer when watching youtube videos! I have no idea whether Digital Music or Mr Tuna are right as they both disagree, but I'd suggest Roland technical, or a main dealer, would know for sure so long as you were talking to a Roland product Specialist!! I have in the past owned every Juno ever made, and Jupiter 8 and Jupiter 6 as well. Jupiter 8 had a superior keyboard to Juno 6, and 60, and 106. But all were really good and I'm pretty certain that they'd both be good now. My choice, unless you need lightweight for gigging would be the Jupiter X, because the latest firmware update adds the new waveshape featured so prominently in this video to the Jupiter X, so both keyboards have it.
Just curious - what do you do when you’re not playing with synths on UA-cam, Mr Tuna? Are you a deep-sea fisherman? Or do you reject the fish, that makes John West, the best? 😉 I mean, maybe - right?! ☺️
Great video! Thanks!
Do you need both. I have a Jupiter
Which preloaded synth models does the Jupiter X have?
sorry for the late reply- you probably figured this out--- JPX, JP8, Juno106, JX8P, SH101, RD series, XV5080, and some more
@@MRTUNA thanks for your reply
Cool synths but a bit too expensive for what it is, ill stick to my deepmind 12.
Great job, could you compare both vocoders?
i could definitely compare, but when it comes to the vocoder they are *exactly* the same, its just the user interface you prefer
I had the chance to compare them yesterday. And sorry they are not the same! Similar, but with the same headphone and same mic used, they are different!
@@Peteruu1 I promise you they are the same they are right in front of me
@@MRTUNA Thank you. Maybe due to lack of knowing all settings in the jupiter x, maybe I spoiled the navigation to the vocoder.
What words would have for someone who might be crazy enough to purchase the pair?
As someone who has both I think its extreeeemely redundant but i still find lots of use for them! they are exactly the same sounds ------ but the juno is more portable and learned a lot of lessons from the jupiter. the jupiter is just so big and bad i cant help but say its the one for me
I love the super fat sounds of the Jupiter X, but I've seen other channels demonstrate that exact same sound on the Juno X, pressing the Jupiter X model
bank first, then selecting from the available patches and modifying them to taste. For me, the issue is price and Juno X sits more within my wallet's
abilities as of now..
Makes perfect sense to me--- they are identically capable sound-wise, its just the interface that you prefer!
I’m thinking to buy one as well but really it’s just the interface? I’m thinking … Jupiter X …and buy some extra samples or patches to add some Juno flavour in. Your opinion? Or ?
@@vladtirla8801 Hi, have you bought one yet? I'd like your opinion if you have - thanks.
@@MRTUNA Yeah but is that really true? Wouldn't you get better Jupiter X sounds on the actual Jupiter X? Thanks -
@@allencowley2112 yes they are literally exactly the same internals, the sound will be identical---- *but* you would definitely have a better time creating and editting the JPX sounds on the JPX just because it has so many more controls than the Juno does. Youd be a lot happier packing that Juno to gigs tho
Aren’t those to just different containers for the same thing Zencore.
yes and no. They are both zen core synths, but the Jupiter-X and Juno-X software models within each one is specific to the model in question, so there are some differences and at this time you cannot install Jupiter-X on Juno-X or vice-versa as far as I know
@@MRTUNA thanx for the clarification 😊
Nice!
Thank you! Cheers!
should I get the prophet 6 over these two?
prophet-6 = awesome analog goodness. very rich and dark with great effects.
Juno-X = 4 huge synths stacked on top of each other, 1000000x times the polyphony, a drum machine, bluetooth midi/audio interface, actually useable built in speakers, and a much deeper feature set. It sounds incredible as well with great effects.
I have both. Ive kept both. I cant tell you whats better for you, but the Juno-x definitely does more and sounds good doing it
Hope a Juno Xm
i have system8. i don't like the look and the keybed. i hesitate to switch to junox for looking and keybed but i fear the sound to be less 'emotional' than the acb system8 106 emulation....
I'm guessing you can't get the Juno stuff on the Jupiter
Both sound absolutely great, but I like the design of the Juno X better.
I can appreciate that--- I still find I play the JP more than the JU but maybe because its on the bottom and at a better angle haha
The Jupiters also a lot more expensive.
Just curious these are specifically the Juno 106 engines right? Not Juno x engine vs 60 or 106?
Seems like the Jupiter has more bite? But I think that’s only due to the slight variations of knobs that’s just human.
I honestly don’t see why they should be different in any way at all? There’s no reason for them to be.
I always feel like roland is out to trick me… and they have kind of been caught doing that on record, straight up lying about the Gaia’s oscillators not being sample based.
Zen core seems to definitely have different sounds than other engines
But there’s just something about Roland’s business practices, Their marketing and their prices- like why y’all making it harder for people to trust you, unless you yourselves get down to the nitty gritty and make deep deeeep comparisons of your own products with competitors.
I think roland would do really good if they pitched the Juno x against all its ‘soundalikes’
Roland: “and that’s the roland difference” better than the rest. Straight up put your money where your mouth is kinda marketing.
I’m slowly being inched towards buying a Juno x…
But behringer is swinging in with the ubxa and the battle for vintage emulations is getting good.
Actually for this demo I am comparing the differences of the sound engines that are specific to each synth, the new “Jupiter X” model that came included with the 3.0 update on the JPX) and the Juno-X synth model that comes stock on the Juno-x hardware (kind of confusing I know) so these are effectively Roland’s two offerings, each with its own sound- the Juno a more simplified version, the Jupiter one that’s a bit more complex
Unfortunately the lesson here might be to have both. 😂
If you're going to compare sounds, at least make sure it's a square wave VS square wave. Not SQR VS SAW wave.. there's no way to even tell...
That’s actually not what this comparison is about- it’s more about Juno vs Jupiter and in that sense the Juno really leads with the square wave and the Jupiter with the saw wave. I do end up with both square and saw waves in both patches but this is exploring the differences of two synths that are otherwise identical in sound capabilities, so it’s about the special character of each synth not an exact patch building science (I’ve got lots of those videos too)
Did you even watch the video?
So which one is your favorite?
The Jupiter is my fav of the two but thats mainly because i like the fullsize interface. other than that they are pretty much identical. if i was traveling or on tour I would want the Juno
System 8! 😂
It's such a shame that Roland had to spoil the design of both keyboards by putting an ugly row of illuminated buttons on both of them.
I loved Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
They are the same computer under the hood. The only differences are the case and controls. Roland is selling unrepairable microcircuits with corruptible operating systems.
unrepairability aside I just think of them as medium and large with the Jupiter-Xm in the small category
@DangerAmbrose - can u expand on your sentence?
Bullshit test haha. Buy them both
they have the exact same synth engines, so there is no difference.
They have the exact same engines but they do not have the exact same models. The Jupiter-X *model* and the Juno-X *model* are specific to each synth so there are definite differences
@@MRTUNA The juno X and Jupiter X are respectively just being able to double those 2 models (which is cool if you are into that), but beyond this, the models arent any different sounding (the ones they share). So yes, you are correct.
This is a little misleading, you don’t seem to use the same engine on both synths so yes, they sound different. But if you were using the same model extension on both synths they would most likely sound pretty much the same unless Roland did something special with the digital to analog conversion.
the idea behind this video is to compare the synth-specfic engines (their namesake models) so that you can get a scope on what the actual differences are between these two keyboards. if i were to compare the same models like a106 and a 106 with the X and the X, it would sound literally exactly the same because they have the same internals. what differentiates these machines other than their user interface are these two X models and so to compare them is like comparing a Juipiter-8 and a Juno-106 but for the modern age. I do many many comparisons where it is the same ideas but this was something that was requested many times by viewers
Zencore sound not as good as ACB unfortunately…
@@mertongoldfein6445 ju06 sounds better than the Jupiter Xm. Everybody knows that but maybe are your the best of all us?
Roland only makes trash
if you say so buddy
We're on nigh every stage in some capacity or another. Played by some of the greatest artists of past and present generations. Some ''trash'' that is :)
@@ErraticFaith great classic analog synths back in the day. Tell me again how great the VR730 is.
Recycling the past is what historians do, not those who wish to endure on in an evolving market. The people of today know of yesterday certainly; but they live today. As does the company. You can revisit the past in your leisure but you cannot expect that to be the sole focus. The directors were very clear - no ghosts and to be fit for modern demand/purpose. That required technology with flexibility. With expansion and innovation. That required working closely with musicians and professional stage acts. Thus zen core was born. You cannot please everyone but to envision the decades of hard work and research - all which sells very well - as ‘trash’; is something that is difficult to take seriously in light of all that.
At this point I'm only interested in their Boutique models lol.