The First Descendant: Ultimate vs Base Descendants
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![[THE FIRST DESCENDANT RANT] Ridiculous Monetization / P2W Characters Ruin The Game?](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Qrrm1i6Tz4w/mqdefault.jpg)
I came for an answer to one question but got a load of helpful information and you honestly made me slow down on this game and think things over. It all made sense
You can actually purchase the catalysts. The energy activator is 1,200 and the crystalization one was about 300. So in all everything else is costing 3,500 all together. In order to buy them, you have to go to where they can be used and there will be an option to buy from the shop
So basically the two cosmetics are 500. Your comment is much more succinct than a 23min video :)
Thank you so much I was about to buy an ultimate character just because I couldn’t grind one item rn 😭
DUDE, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BASE VS THE ULTIMATES? DOES THE ULTIMATE HAVE BETTER STATS OR IS IT JUST A SKIN?
ultimates have higher base stats
also there are mods that are exclusive to ultimate descendants.. like transcendent mods
@@Neru619 Slightly better stat in one category, and 2 extra polarities in the modual list which is probably the more significant difference. You can pack more modules for less capacity that way
@@seriouscomedy936 Interesting, thank you.
Thanks to the people who actually answered in the replies ! That's all i wanted to know before farming for my ultimate Ajax, it's crazy how difficult it was to find a real answer to that simple question x_x"
I feel like the game has potential, but it’s so expensive, one ultimate character is a whole game
Don’t spend money. Grind it for free
@@JustArry I mean yes but if you just look at the work irl 6 hours vs grind for 6h+.
It's wild
The prices are just double the "standard rate" you would expect
but the times to grind are also crazy
Whats the point of buying them if there is nothing else to do in the game but to farm the Descendants?
this is a correct comment
Pay for convenience or to just support the game
Like warframe?
@@youngcracker9517 Sadly not a really fair comparison.
Depending what you are doing in the game Warframe has a hell of a lot more things to do than First Descendent, where as farming Descendant's seems to be all you can really do.
@@pendragon5744yeah because its only 2 days out
On the screen at 11:14 you can just hit tab and it will tell you what their base stats are and you can see what the ultimate stats are vs regular.
After grinding and crafting ultimate descendant, will i get not only ultimate descendant, but new skins for free like from bundles for 3k or 5k caliber?
i imagining getting 30 minutes of content from a basic question
He did answer the question and probably saved people from predatory microtransaction
@aru8104 valid it took him 30 minutes to explain. Watch this.... don't waste money on a free game, and ultimate vs normal descendant there is almost no difference, not worth pulling your wallet out for. Took me 30 seconds to type that.
@@GarrettSizemore thank you lmfao, saved me 20 mins
@@GarrettSizemore fr but some pple need a full explanation so I get the full but we all didn't need the full explanation
Are ultimae characters separate charactesr or you can upgrade a normal Lepic to an Ultimate Lepic ?
Separate characters
Wait so you can’t unlock and use all the characters without purchasing a slot for them? Or what are the slots for
you only get 10 slots to start of with
does anyone know how to unlock the ""Advanced Material Backpack""?
Can they share cosmetics with the base variant?
Also Ive heard rumors that Ulti Ajax will get a diffrent skill that the reg one wont get in the last void boss battle
Yeah cosmetics are shared
sorry to disappoint, but no they do not share skins. So when I unlock the Ultimate (AJAX) it comes with Skins; Conviction of Steel. These Skins are not available to Base Model Ajax. My Understanding is that if you purchase Skins for Base Descendants those are available to Ultimate Descendants.
No Skins are not shared down. Base Skins are available to Ultimate, bit not the other way. Yes, Ulti Ajax would receive a different Ulti Skill.
@@lordsofgaming2930 thanks dude
can you elaborate? what skill does he get?
So like prime frames with a little extra?
Day 1 I said the same thing. The crazy thing is, they would make more money at much much lower costs. Blows my mind that companies don’t understand this
You must understand that Nexon and Digital Extremes are two very different companies. Nexon has the reputation of running the most long-lived wale farm in gaming history (Vindictus: it is still alive and has regular content thanks to all the whales who are milked).
ill throw in a even better example Maplestory
You can actually get the ultimate skins by farming but the pieces needed are like 1% chance to drop then each of the 4 pieces cost 450,000 co craft, then 900,000 to craft the ultimate skin which equates to around 2.7 mil in game currency to craft plus ALOT of grinding to get the pieces needed in the first place. These costs are for the ultimate bunny skin, not sure if the costs are the same for the others.
The skin or character?
It's the same for all ultimate descendant
That’s not that much I have like 10 million for no reason Lmao
Don't worry about the gold, you'll get it back grinding for the pieces hahaha
@@bluntasticnot for no reason you’ve been nonstop playing sir.
What about the skills stats? Are the skills' base stats any different?
@zaviusfirerave no. Not at all. See my follow up video. Just posted. Nothing but stats
What is the point of unlocking a regular descendent? It would be way better to wait for the Ultimate version of the one I want .
Great video brother man
This is the video I was looking for. Subscribed and thanks for the suggestion information.
i really enjoy the game but man they are some expensive shit and grinding the 3% drop rate stuff is insane im not that lucky to get 3% drop it took me almost 3hrs to get all 4 parts for thunder cage. but if i was were to buy these ultimate who do i go for? i main gley rn and been enjoying her so far
is this your application for the yap contest?
Don't forget to level up Shock Punch! It adds to your capacity, which as we know means more levels for other mods. Otherwise, it's a great video. It's nice to see it's not a huge difference like Prime Frames.
prime frames get at most slightly more base stats, which almost never includes ability stats. Prime frames are mostly for ease of access (easier to get than the base variant in many cases) or for aesthetics.
@@seamusrichardson5601 I am aware. I am Legendary rank 1 and have been playing for 7 years. Thanks, though.
Video really starts at 8:08… Jeez.
thanks for the time stamp, the internet is getting worse...
Thank you bruh 😂
Appreciate the comparison the extra discounted modules is great
Needed this video
you can also add polar slots to the base characters with higher level items that. Later game grind.
How are your premium ultimate bundles on sale?
It does that when you have 1 or more items of that specific bundle
@@Donlosae ah that would make sense, thanks
Wow, so you're paying $100 for a cosmetic, 4 extra polarity, some exclusive mods, and a very insignificant stat boost?
Well, this game was fun while it lasted.
Just to add, normal and ultimate variants have 4 Transcendent Mods that can be used and are shared between the two.
The ultimates however have an additional 2 transcendent mods they have access to as well. Allowing for some exclusive builds (such as the High-Voltage for Ultimate Bunny, that allows her to boss better).
You don't have to spend money, as mentioned, you can just farm and unlock the Ultimate versions just like the normal ones.
great video thank you
I don't normally say this, but 20 minutes of YAP WTF
The game feels like the Temu version of Warframe
We have Warframe at home
Warframe at home -
LOL This is so true lmao
Sorry the Warframe enjoyers but i prefer the gameplay and graphics of The First Descedant, and warframe was not what it is now at the beginning, TFD need time like all other game
Game if fun and enjoyable like warframe destiny 2 had a baby took some good from each game and made this I haven’t even gotten to end game yet and still having fun.
Feels like Shopify version of Warframe( Ebay).
When you 40lvl. you can put in any polarity you want . thats basically free... taking that out of the way... basically there isn't any difference 😁
Thank You that answers my question:)👊
This video not corresponding to the title tbh.
No hating my guy, but to clarify the Ultimate Descendants are farmable characters. (Skins because I don’t see any difference in power or skills as of yet) You can find the parts acquisitions via the research section. My only concern is that there is a 78 day countdown as of today. Does that mean you’re paying/grinding for exclusive skins, or are they going to be farmable in the future with many hrs of gameplay?
Bro, this game makes me miss warframe farming because it was actually fun.
I can't lie. With the Monetization especially it makes me miss Warframe. I like the character aesthetics in this game, but man Warframe has a far better Grind.
Ok so the warframe example was $140. if the ingame currency is 10:1 in warframe that is $40 of currency included. For $99 is the prime, an alternate skin, and 2 weapons right? An ultimate in FD is 3000 which is about $55 and comes with an alternate skin. Doesnt seem so different
The difference is that 4000 Platinum in Warframe is not weighted the same as the $40 currency. For instance each part of a prime may cost you 30-50Platinum. so for 100-150 platinum you could go on the marketplace and get an additional Prime. The weapons themselves are weighted at $50 value in Warframe where you get no such weapons in TFD. For me these are not weighted the same.
the warframe currency platinum you get from the prime acces (129,99€) is almost equal to the highest pack of pure platinum you can buy, which is 179,99€. you get 3990 plat included in prime acces, the 179,99€ pack would give you 4300. warframe has coupons as a daily log in reward. you can get between 20% off up to 75% off (got it once in the ~280 daily log ins i have on my account). 50% is more common, so if you wanna use that, its ~90€ for 4,3k plat.
one thing you forgot: the prime acces not only gives you an alternate skin (helmet) it usually gives more. right now, for protea prime, you get an exlusive syandana (cape) and exclusive ephemara (glowing aura thingy) in the most expensive pack too (in addition to the prime frame and the two prime weapons). just to give a more detailed insight in how you can do the maths
ah ok thank you both. Well i spent $100 in FD for battle pass and ult viessa. She’s cute. I like the aesthetic of FD better than WF. But i remember some of the gameplay in WF was fast and fun
Warframe scoliac i think it was called. Op and fun for map clears. And a frame that let out giant aoe sonic screams
@omniges I like the aesthetic in TFD. The Alien design of the frames in WarFrame never made me feel connected. I want this game to be successful. I just have to point out the comparative value.
I seen on reddit they give little bonuses and they are better then the normal versions
This free game is expensive
U can craft descendants
I agree great video
Thanks for the vid. The info was helpful. I like the game but the Shop, like you said, need to change the prices. Thanks :)
I don't like the non- thematic cosmetics either. It kinda breaks immersion and is just weird
I'm really enjoying the game as a free-to-play player, but Nexon's monetization strategies have always been what eventually caused me to quit their games.
the big difference between them is the mod,some of the most top tier mod in the game can be equipped only by ultimate version, the normal version cant do that
This game is really spendsive
I just bought the ultimate bunny for the views
You my friend are a man of good taste
I'am very sorry for you.
19:51 Oh no, you played BDO? I just wrapped up 15k hours in that game and I'm still a noob.
One thing he doesn’t tell you that’s VERY important is that the skills on the ultimate descendants are better than the base character. He’s minimizing just how great the ultimates are. 100 dollars worth? Absolutely not. 50 dollars worth? Without a question ONLY IF you’re going to play the game.
i would be happy to see these numbers, but if you look at teh numbers for skill there is no difference. I will look again, but I am not seeing it in the numbers.
Warframe has a much better monetization method than TFD.
Ok i dont want to sound rude but my man we want to see the difference between the base and the ultimate we dont care about dollar to caliber we can see that its 100$ simple
That conversion rate knowledge is extremely flawed 😂😂
He might not have explained it perfectly, but it's still about 50% less than most games premium conversation rates like Rocket League, for example.
If you believe its flawed please explain and i will correct. The dollar to In Game Currency is weighted less. If I played BDO and bought ACOIN, 1000 ACOIN would equal $10. If I play Destiny and bought Silver 1000 Silver would cost me $10. If I play MFF then my $1 nets me about 110 Diamonds. If I play SLA my $1 is equivalent to 110 Diamonds. If I play Fortnite 1000 VBucks is $9. The point is the dollar to value ratio is way off in this cash shop and the weighted value of items is terrible when compared to a similar cash shop in Warframe. You actually GET the premium currency in WarFrame when you purchase a Prime, you get nothing here.
@@micahatcher3837 no it’s not 10 dollars for battle pass in every game 10 dollars for battle pass in the first descendant the price of the items in the game is less a smaller number than what they are in most games that’s why it looks different
@@lordsofgaming2930 just because the conversion rate is 10:1 doesn’t mean the value is the same you can’t say it’s a 10 to .5 ratio because the amount of money you’d pay for a similar item in a different game is the same even tho the numbers are different just because 10 dollars gets you 520 and not 1020 doesn’t mean you’re paying more cuz the value of that 520 is equivalent to the value of 1020 in other games for the same currency rate. The logic of 10 dollars getting you a smaller number doesn’t work because there 10 dollars still gets you the battle pass and you don’t have to spend 20 just like 10 dollars in [insert game] will also get you a battle pass
@@GamesandGainsGG I never said every game 🤷🏽♂️
Yeah so technically. You’re paying for the ultimate character, the base skin for ultimate. The extra 2 skin pieces you get (even in the 3,000 pack), the upgraded version has much more value.
I’m not saying it’s worth it, because the prices are waaaaay too high. However…
Looking at how much basic skins cost (the school skins currently are 750 alone), premium skins seem to be around 750 or more. So….youre really paying for those
The Boost seam in this video; ...seasm to be the least problamatic to be honest.
Buying and Ultimate or god forbid an Premium Ascendent...Seams Waaaaaay over priced if you ask me!
I have nothing against paying for (In a PvE game) that you get some extra help for say 30 USD in progression between kids, work and life in general.(Sorry guys but its actually is a help..)
But To nearly throw out 100USD and you get ess. Nothing for it? THat is a F---robbery!!
As I said ...I personally have nothing against getting some help...Since you cant grind for 100h+ a week these days with family and life in general.
But I dame sure would like to have some kind of sequrity that IF you buy somthing you at least get a value from it!!! Wich is preatty damn scary ovious is not the case; after listening to you my friend. So big thanks for this video.
Oh so you can only have 11 descendants when there are 14 excluding ultimates. That’s a little fucked.
They want to make you buy more slots. Fortunately, they're only about $1 for an extra slot, so not too bad, but yeah.
@@dentari2626 I guess if you free to played long enough to fill those slots you can spend a couple bucks lol
Maybe once you max out all 11 slots, you can delete some of the descendants that you don't like.
Honestly, if they give you 11 slots free and bonus slots are only a dollar, that's not bad at all. You only get what like 1 or 2 slots in warframe? Yeah you can get a few more from nightwave and stuff but usually you have to spend platinum for more
Ultimate vs Normal Descendants difference is Ultimate Skin and nothing else, they don’t get extra abilities or stuff 😊
Ultimates have slightly better stats I found out. Hit tab in the descendants list to see the stat graph and compare.
@@k0bracmdr594 Let me check
@@k0bracmdr594 There's a difference, but it's very Minor at the base level.
@@GyanPrakash yeah that’s why I said “slightly” 😂
@@k0bracmdr594 😊😊😊
Damn, $100 for an Ult. Character or would you rather get COD black ops 6… I already know.
I like the game, I even wanted to support it, but there is no reason to spend, everything is so overprice and/or offers so little in return that it's not worth it.
Its not UE5 assets 😂 that's funny. I agree some don't fit, but they don't have to, its cosmetic. Not functional.
you hit the nail on the head , underwhelming ,and overpriced , the shop needs a full recalibration fo sho.
Bro be yappin.
ong dude don’t know how to get to the point
So its just look you pay for. Nothing else😊
There is a stat boost + they have exclusive modules
Nothing. Its a skin. Its not any better/worse than base. Saved you 20min in view farming.
Not true - go to the Descendant list and hit tab to show the stat graph. Clearly a difference in base stats, sometimes not much, sometimes a lot.
Not true. They have different mod slots too. Typically allowing you to have more mod space.
None of which is clearly marked or told. I am now a level 40 Ajax, and my stats are identical to the ultimate. Maybe seeing the character in the access descendants tab shows you the max value any certain character can obtain. Just from levels I mean
you cant really compare warframe and nexon! imo nexon has done far more successfull grindy type games than warframe! Maplestory/vindictus those 2 games run till this day with massive updates and a huge playerbase! the cash shop will grow bigger and things will get crazier content will get better! this is how nexon works
The base stats are negligible in difference with unique cosmetics providing that power per the lore. The big gain is the extra 2 mod slot symbols for capacity discounts which a base character can grind. When your Descendant hits level 40 you can use an item to add/clear a mod socket symbol but it resets your character to level 1, rinse and repeat for every extra mod slow you want to put a symbol on. Weapons with their proficiency level works the same way to add mod slot symbols to them for more mod capacity discounts.
Essentially an Ultimate has been to L40 twice spending 2 x 300 coins of items and reset already before you start. Grinding Descendant and weapon proficiency levels is the main way to grind up mastery XP so in a way you paid to skip some grind but missed out on 80 levels of mastery XP awards you still have to grind but with a potentially more mod powerful character.
The defense mission arenas are made for power leveling descendants and weapon proficiency levels. To max out mastery levels you are either grinding multiple descendants and weapons to L40 or the same one's multiple times.
Exactly. The grind is the same as Warframe for those additional polarizations, but they are making you pay way more for that grind.
Massively over complicated this. Not great
Comparing a new economy to one that’s been around for about 10 years is irresponsible
Omfg u made a video that does not inform of nothing.
So its warframe.. ill just go play warframe then lmao
Too expensive 😪
This game is Micro Transactions HELL 😂
Warframe 2
I am waiting for SoulFrame and hoping the Frames have a more Human aesthetic
Its mad how popular it on steam charts. I really hoped this game improved ALOT from the beta but it hasnt. This is an Anthem 2.0
Because it's a free game that just came out with good graphics. Many people are trying it out. Give it a while, it'll go down. I generally believe looter shooter genres that are heavy on grind can't attract a huge fan base as compared to like Battle royale
23 minute video not necessary for this lmfao. tldr?
It would have been nice if you more concisely explained the actual differences of the ultimate vs normal, instead of basically ranting for 20 mins about monetization and if its "worth it" tell us what the main differences are and we can decide if its worth it. This should have been different videos.
i got you. shrunk it down in a follow up video to just the stats.
@lordsofgaming2930 that's awesome, thanks! I'll definately check it out.
Jamust talking bullshit 20 minute long wtf
they should take note from BDO & make them alt arc types different make a M/F version that have different skills and use different elements because its just lame to play a clone 2 times & some i dont want to play because they look like gay boy band members lol just saying can i have some options that r not just a few stat tweeks &r different & not just a direct upgrade its vary disappointing & missed opportunity to add verity🤔
Does your brain work fucking correctly?
its not worth it to me i agree with u i hate this best in slot clone BS im not buying it lame AF devs
Brain rot, do not recommend
I feel like this 23 minute video could have been summed up in less then 5 minutes...... so much rambling on and repeating the same thing over and over....... I got the answer from reading comments below faster.
Warframe is cheap compared to this game
Bad video bye
Shut up bot
🤣
The fact is that they will lose to Warframe.