Remember, Bob was only 21. His main sport in college was football. He ran track as a seasonal sport. Track was an amateur sport, monitored closely by the NCAA. It was for fun. That final 4x100meter relay event in Tokyo was the very last track event of Bob’s life. He ran the 100 meter final in borrowed shoes, in lane 1 which was all chopped up due to the steeple chase. He won by a huge margin against the world’s best. Today’s sprinters are professionally trained from the first sign of potential, they have professional opportunities enabling careers into their late twenties or early thirties, they have lightening fast surfaces, they have the best in training and equipment technology. Bob Hayes was just a college football player running track. No thoughts of running after college. Given all the advantages of 21st century sprinting I believe 9.5 was a very reasonable expectation. His relay split from 1964 is still as fast or faster than Usain Bolt ever ran. That is really all we need to know. The speed of Hayes and Bolt was about equal; with Bob on cinders vs lightening fast synthetic track, Bolt had years of opportunities to improve while receiving the best training, nutrition and financial incentives while Bob ran track in the spring ending when he ran in the ‘64 Olympics following his junior year in college. Usain was incredible. So was Bob Hayes. Equally so.
Bruce, I agree with most of what you said but you left out one very important factor. This factor is PEDs. I know that Usain tested clean, however, all of his contemporary sprinters were caught cheating left and right. Practically, all of Usain's Jamaica T&F comrades were proven PED addicts and here we are speaking about a lone honest athlete in Usain Bolt. I found that very hard to believe. Similar to many people working in Silicon Valley, I need to push myself to go workout in a gym where I met some crazy amateur weight-lifters. Their performances can fluctuate from 375 lbs to barely over 225 lbs in bench press within a few months. Because PEDs assisted athletes cannot be consistent. The same is true with the druggie sprinters. All of the druggies can underperform from 0.5 to 0.75 seconds within a short period of time. Usain was no exception to this modern sprinting phenomenon. The Great Bob Hayes never lost a race in T&F competitions, officially or unofficially. Because Bob Hayes ran according to his natural ability.
@@benthekeeshond545 Incorrect my friend. Bob came in third in the 200 at the 64 US Olympic trials. He also lost to Cliff Branch while barnstorming around the NFL in the off season on a pro track circuit racing the NFL's fastest. Hayes as great as he was did not have the fastest 100m time on cinders. Jim Hines and one or 2 others beat Hayes' 10.06 during the 1968 AAU champs in California. Hines ran 10.03 and I think someone else ran 10.02. The meet is more famously known as the Night of Speed.
@@debbiebatt1685 Incorrect! Jim Hines won the 1968 Olympics in 9.95 becoming the first human to officially break the 10 second barrier. Gotta do that homework before you post stuff like that.
"Bullet Bob" was insane fast. I remember an NFL game where he was returning a punt down the sideline. Three players had a huge angle on him, and he just blew by them like they were standing still. I hope somebody can find a clip of this, it was amazing.
One of the competitors told U.S. leadoff runner, Paul Drayton, that the U.S. could not win because all they had was Bob Hayes, to which Drayton responded, "All we need is Bob Hayes." Res ipsa loquitur!
@@benthekeeshond545 ..or is there a law against having an opinion.......so anybody who doesn’t agree with you is a bigot ....hhhmmm ...no wonder the states is a failed experiment ...
Bob Hayes went to Stanton High school in Jacksonville, Florida in the mid 60s. Even in high school he was approached with awe and respect. My brother ran a mid leg of the 400 m relay and ran against Hayes at a track relay his sr. year. There is a photo in his yearbook that shows my brother running the relay. The photo shows him very small in the background and there is a dark blur on the left side of the photo, kinda blurry. I remember asking him what that blurt was. He said it was Bob Hayes’ leg, That’s how far ahead he was! My brother said his goal in the race was, before Hayes left the track at the end of the race, he wanted to shake Hayes’ hand. He achieved his goal!
I was there in 1964 with my Dad, John F. Garland. And actually met Mr Hayes inside the Olympic Village then. Here is my recollection and some important information about him. "Bob Hayes was a sprinter and football player. He was born pigeon-toed. Still, he was fast as heck. Not elite fast, not Olympic fast, but fast. Somebody had the sense to film his running in slow motion while (I thnk) in college and determined that his feet hit the ground in the same manner when running as when walking, pigeon-toed. It was determined that in the course of running 100-meters his feet would hit the ground “x” number of times. And, each contact was inefficient by a certain small percentage versus the perfect plant each time. It was small but it was important. Over the course of a race they felt it cost him 10ths of a second. Bob Hayes was coached to learn how to move his foot to the perfect straight ahead landing position only microseconds before they hit the ground. Years later while in college I actually saw film of it in a "before and after" presentation. It made the difference. In Tokyo he become “The World’s Fastest Human”, a title bestowed the winner of the 100-meter dash at the Olympics. And, I’ll never forget him getting the baton as the anchor in the 4x100M relay. When he received the baton from our third-leg runner we were behind the leader by 3-5 meters, a lead that seemed nearly insurmountable. Bob Hayes ran him down on the dirt track as if the guy had stolen his lunch money. We won by major daylight... 5-meters. It was a jaw-dropper! After that he was drafted by the Dallas Cowboys and played wide receiver for them for 11-seasons and did pretty good for a man born pigeon-toed. He is in the NFL Hall of Fame.
Stop the video at the :09 mark and look at the baton exchanges. The Lane 8 runner (Soviet Union) already has the baton. Hayes in Lane 7 is still being transferred the baton by Richard Stebbins. The Lane 6 runner (Poland) already has the baton. So do the Lane 5 (Venezuela ) and Lane 4 (Jamaica) runners. The Lane 3 runner (Italy) also has the baton. You cannot see the runners in Lanes 2(France) and Lane 1 (Great Britain), but presumably France already had the baton because they finished 2nd. Great Britain probably did not as they finished last. So the U.S. was likely running 7th when Hayes started his legendary anchor run.
I imagine if he was born 40 years later and was competing today! Imagine him with all the technology available! physiology, nutrition, nice track, good shoes and a good coach with today knowledge. My God! Would be wonderful to watch this.
I was running track for Walter aJohnson High School back in the late 60's. My track coach Chauncey Ford had been a track coach in Florida when Bob Hayes was in high school and knew him. I was a big Dallas fan because of Bob Hayes and when the Cowboys came to play the Redskins one time Coach Ford ask everyone on the team if they would like to go meet Bob. I and one other guy said YES and the following Saturday evening we went down to DC to the hotel where the Cowboys were staying and went up to his room. Bob was there with Too Tall and two other players. Of course, as kids, we were in awe. I had brought with me a book on the 64 Olympics that had a full two page spread of Bob bursting out of the blocks. He asked me if I had something for him. I opened up to the picture and showed its to him and he had never seen it. He was like a kid showing it to the other players. I asked him to autograph it which he happily did and expressed gratitude for me bring the book and showing it to him. He was a really good guy and yes, fast as hell.
You might be mistaken about Too Tall, maybe it was another defensive lineman but he wasn’t out of high school in the late sixties. He was drafted in 1974 by the Cowboys.
I attended an indoor meet in 1980(?) in Oklahoma City and saw Bob race Greg Pruitt (star OU running back in the late 70's) in a 60 meter dash as an exhibition race. Greg was in his prime and Bob was well past his prime... it was a dead heat. Very impressive.
Greg Pruitt was an NFL veteran by the late seventies, I remember him and Heisman Trophy winner Johnny Rodgers of Nebraska headlining the 1971 "Game of the Century"
Bob Hayes in today's track spikes on today's track surfaces and he would complete with today's sprinters. He changed NFL defenses for ever. They had to creat a zone defense to cover him.
Apologies for the late comment. I understand the criticism is that the clock was started when Bob takes the baton. As the video maker admits, this is not where the relay record officials start the clock for an individual relay. The clock starts when the baton passes the end line of the passing zone, assuming a legal pass of the baton. Bob takes the baton (as all relay runners do) in the passing zone, BEFORE crossing the end line and thus starting the individual relayers clock. In 1964 during the Tokyo Olympics, individuals had a 10 meter acceleration zone, followed by a 10 meter passing zone. The passing zone is the only legal zone in which the baton can be passed, and where Bob received the baton. Again......before the "end line" of the passing zone. Bob's clock doesn't start until he crosses that line. What does this mean for your footage? Since you started your frame rate count at the time Bob takes the baton, you are starting your clock early, not late. What happens when you start the clock at the frame the baton passes the end line? I am fascinated by this race and its place in sprinter mythology. And I have always wondered why there was such difference of opinion on the time of this leg. If you are here, watching this video, you probably know the stories and arguments, so and so hand timed Bob at 9. Another coach at 8.5. Another coach at 8.2. Obviously, hand timing is not as good as electronic. If you figure .2 second slop at BOTH lines, thats almost a half second of slop between coaches. No wonder the numbers vary by a half second. And no wonder we are still arguing about it 60 years later. I applaud your effort to bring engineering clarity to the myth. And look forward to your updated results. NOTE After the 1964 Olympics, the International Association of Track and Field Athletes(sp?) updated the rules to give ALL subsequent relay runners a 20 meter accelration zone. An extra 10 meters. And the records continue to be broken. Usain Bolts Anchor Leg record, note the time is the difference between the end line of the passing zone and the finish line: 8.65ish. NOT when Usain gets the baton or "starts" running ua-cam.com/video/bQOw8LF5SM4/v-deo.html
There is a 20m passing zone with a 10m fly zone before the passing zone where the runners can line up to start running.. Exactly mid passing zone is 100m from the start. Mid zones are exactly 100m from the previous midzone and the last mid oassing zone is 100m from the finish. If the runner gets the baton late in the zone and the clock starts then, he is not actually being timed for 100m.. It could be only 91m. What they should do is clock the baton from start to mid passing zone. That way at least you sre clocking 100m.
@@sydboski Thank you. I was looking to see if anyone else commented on that. It's always timed to/from mid-zone, regardless of who is actually carrying the baton at the time.
A member if a VERY exclusive club...a member of a club in which he is the only member...the only man in history to win an Olympic Gold Medal ( Bob won two) and a Super Bowl Championship ring. Bob was a wide receiver on the 1971 Dallas Cowboys. In January of 1972:in Tulane Stadium in New Orleans, it was Doomsday for the overmatched Miami Dolphins as the Cowboys captured Super Bowl VI by a score of 24 to 3. Bob is a member of the famed Dallas Cowboys Ring of Honor and is enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton, Ohio.
i saw giants-cowboys game where hayes was all alone headed toward the end zone, and henry carr came outta nowhere to tackle him. carr came from the bottom right corner of the tv screen and caught him. it's possible hayes slowed up a step cuz he was so all alone. but he must have known carr was on that field, because carr was on the same rack team in tokyo. he won two gold medals in his own right.
@@tomsimpson6044 It was an Olympic track. The IOC and IAAF don't just give the Olympics to the highest bidder. They have rules and regulations. If the track was not up to par they would not have run on it.
@@sydboski In the 100 m Hayes was in Lane 1, which I've heard was in bad shape because of other races in which the runners used the inside lanes. Now the 100 m is usually run the first day of track & field, but maybe not then. It seems that being "up to par" still allowed for some variation in the condition of the track.
Does this guy's races remind anyone else of Secretariat's dominance on the track? Look at how he swayed during his runs. If he held his upper body still, nobody would ever touch his times. On cinder no less. Simply WOW.
It's interesting you say that, because I was thinking about how this method used in this video for verifying time was said to have no value when trying to verify Secretariat's Preakness time (the clock malfunctioned). Nonetheless, both Hayes and Secretariat's performances are so far removed from chance it tends to make one believe in divine intervention.
For those of you who've never run on a dirt track and who perhaps thinks they're all the same, you should know they're not! The composition of each track can be different. Cinder tracks were common in my era 1963-1968 in Texas and the midwest and other parts of the country, but clay composition tracks were common in California. Mt. Sac College was famous for having a fast track. And everyone wanted to run on it. The Los Angeles Coliseum was also clay, but not particularly fast. I'll tell you one thing, you did not want to fall on a Cinder composition track. It was like sliding on broken pieces of glass which imbedded itself into your skin. Hurdlers of that era suffered the most. I saw the first aid people take a very stiff brush and soap to a hurdler and brush out the cinders. Some of those cinder cuts would be 3 or 4 inches long, and cover an area the size of your hand or larger. He was biting on a towel to keep from yelling, and he had tears in his eyes. They had to get them out so he wouldn't get an infection. Lane one would be chewed to a sandbox if the meet was a big one. And back then the sprinters drew for lanes, rather than being seeded in the middle lanes as they are today, according to how they performed in the heats and semis. Also, amateurism was the norm. If you got caught taking anything of value from anyone, you could be banned from competition. A world class French runner was banned for TWO YEARS for accepting a pair of running shoes from a shoe rep. This resulted in under the table payments to the top tier runners, but what's worse, it resulted in very short running careers for most competitors. Stereroids were just beginning to be explored, but the "common knowledge" at that time was they might help strength events, like discus, shot etc, but weren't very effective in running events. Blood doping was a thing for a while, and there were rumors that some distance runners did it, and I believe that some did, but I was out of track by then and not in much contact with runners. And then there was the Harry Edwards and the proposed Black Boycott of the 1968 Olympics, which never happened, but did result in the 200 meters Medal Stand protest by Tommie Smith and John Carlos. John Carlos ran in the "brush spikes" in the 200 meter finals trials and set a world record in them which was later disallowed. Shoes worn today, would not have been allowed in my era. So, in my opinion, tracks and shoes are for a large part, responsibile for the fast times we now see in Track & Field, along with some better training regimens. Being able to make real money and a good living have also contributed to longer careers jand have encouraged many to stay competitive. It's hard to be world class if you have to work another job, and then train!
In fact back then dirt was bad on the legs and for him to play football too his whole body was built up very well real men back then glad to see this as well as read up on it he's always looked at in my eyes as the world's fastest man roll the tapes
@@DavidGivinsnhe Usain Bolt is the fastest man in recorded history. Ben Johnson's performances at the Olympics and World championships were all retroactively erased from the record books. So his 9.83 and 9.79 do not exist. Bob was the fastest man in the world for 4 years. His 10.06 record on cinders was broken by Jim Hines at the 1968 AAU championships in Sacramento. On cinders. Hines then went to the Olympics and won 100m gold with a new world record of 9.95 to become the first human to officially break the 10 second barrier. This was on a newer Tartan surface though.
When the Cowboys signed Hayes and people saw he could actually play ball, the Cardinals went out and signed Henry Carr, the record holder in the 200 and tried to cover Hayes one-on-one. He could beat Carr on any route. Staubach said he would take the snap , use a three step drop and throw the ball as far as he could and Hayes would be waiting for it. His times with today's shoes and tracks would be right up three with Bolt's, if not better.
I shudder to think what Hayes would have done in todays world of super fast tracks, high tech training modalities, hi tech shoes, advanced nutrition. I still think he's the fastest man to ever grace this earth.
@@t.s.9656 Lol who said anything about Mexico? See this is what happens when you don't know what you are talking about and you come at someone. Had you done YOUR research you would have known that Jim Hines ran 10.03 on cinders to break Hayes' 10.06 world record during the 1968 AAU championships at Hughes Stadium in Sacramento. It was called, "The Night of Speed". Next time do your due diligence before you make yourself look silly again.
To be fair, that is "a running" start to cover the last leg in about 8.55. Incredibly fast for sure. Also, if you get the baton later in your passing zone the distance isn't exactly 100m. But still a very, very quick time before the PED era.
I ran on cinders many times. The track is absolutely dead. It saps the energy from your legs. I also ran on syntheic track at the end of my running days and improved my 100 time by two tenths even though I was past my best by then. I was never very fast, but the principle is the same.
@@cliffhughes6010 So true! I ran on all three: grass, cinders and synthetic. I had to change my starts for synthetic tracks as the increased resistance and 'bite' of spikes into it demanded more from the legs and less from the body. Notice how much of his body, neck and shoulders Bob Hayes had to put into his action to build rhythm and momentum.
When Hayes first burst on the scene breaking Frank Budd's world record, he later ran a sub 9 flat 100 yards, measuring the track to certify that record it was discovered the distance was several inches short of the required distance, so no record.
I have an Uncle that ran against Bob Hayes. My Uncle said that when the race started, the blocks behind Mr. Hayes went backwards. My uncle saw the blocks flying backwards and pulled up with a hammy. Uncle said that Mr. Hayes wasn't going to embarrass him :)
I think the analysis would have more credibility if it included some discussion about the uncertainties involved. For example, there is an assumption that the video is 25 fps - how precise is this figure ? could it be 24.9 ? 24.5 ? Given the angle of the camera, how accurately can you determine the frame which matches him crossing the mark in the centre of the changeover zone ? (I struggled to even see the mark). Overall this is interesting but it seem far from definitive
Well first thank you for the comment. I used numerous clips with different camera angles to see at which moment he crosses the line. However, my analysis was wrong because I used the wrong line. I timed it again, starting from the real 100m line and I came out with a time from 9.00 to 8.90. Thank you !
@@bobhayesstory8606 Well, I see we agree by now - that's a good thing! Let's say the real time was 8.95, I think this implies Hayes was capable of 9.95 (1 second plus) on 100 meters dash. This is consistent with his 10.06, given the cinder poor conditions and the shoes problem. What would he do today? I think likely 0.25 seconds less on Mondo tracks, and another 0.1 seconds less because Hayes was still an amateur (most runners think this is the difference between strong amateurs and today's professionals). So... 9.60. Let's say he was exactly as fast as Bolt, and we all could agree. :-)
@@mc1483bis I do not agree Bob was as fast as Bolt. All of the guess work of adding 0.1 for this or 0.3 for that, does not mean it is true or accurate. Hayes was a magnificent sprinter but his best 100m was 10.06 on cinders. In 1968 Jim Hines recorded a 10.03 on cinders. Why don't we see these Bolt comparisons to Hines? He ran faster than Hayes did on a similar surface.
@@sydboski : we've already discussed enough one year ago. This is not "guess work", but simple knowledge of different surfaces and training methods. I've also expressed many doubts on Hines' times and won't resume the old arguments.
@@mc1483bis Oh it is guess work, because NO ONE knows 100% what anyone would actually run on the different surfaces. So it is an estimate or guess. I don't see why you would doubt Hines' times and not Hayes', but to each his own.
The only man in history to own an Olympic Gold Medal ( he won two) and a Super Bowl Championship ring. Bob was on the 1971 Dallas Cowboys team that won Super Bowl VI in January of 1972.
Back then I timed it at 8.5 but I made a mistake timing it. In reality he ran about 8.9 to 9.00, which, btw, would still be considered a really fast split with today’s tracks and spikes.
You cannot argue he is the fastest man to have walked on this planet. He did this 60 years ago! .... before modern training and technology, very bad cinder track, bad shoes, and little professional training.
@@rickromano1119 Nope. Not at altitude. Hines ran 10.03 on cinders at the 1968 AAU championships in Sacramento which is 30 feet above sea level. It was also called the Night of Speed
Christophe Lemaitre got injured several times these past years and that's what really made him slower I think but that's absolutely obvious that Bob Hayes was an incredibly talented athlete.
Bob was set up by an undercover cop who befriended him and asked Bob if he knew where he could find some cocaine, Bob said yes and took him to a friends house and the undercover purchased the cocaine and later they were convicted of trafficking. Bob did not do drugs, he was just helping someone he thought was a friend obtain drugs.
Everyone thought it was funny when he was drafted by the Dallas Cowboys. Because of him, other teams had to "invent" the zone defense. When Hayes would take the fist step from the line, the D-Backs would just turn and run. Don Meredith would then make an easy toss. Was always good for a couple of easy yards. Meredith once said he'd do that play to get his passing percentage up.
watch videos of his NFL catches. whoever the QB was--Dandy Don, Craig Morton, Staubach, even Jerry Rhome--Hayes would fly down field and catch bombs all day. He retired with a ridiculously high average yards per catch.
Вот это финиш!Болт отдыхает!И это на гаревой дорожке!Вот кто лучший спринтер в истории,кстати ,он единственный олимпийский чемпион в беге выигрывавший Супербоул в американском футболе
@@bertenqvist7324 Are you referring to Carl? Carl was a PED addict and should not be compared to the Greatest Sprinter of all-time. But credit Carl for being a PED pioneer in T&F. After Carl, we practically have 99% of world-class sprinters are on PEDs.
Hayes ran on dirt & cinder tracks . Before he ran the 100 meter dash at Tokyo 64', there was a long distance "walking" race . (I don't know if its done anymore but it looks odd, hips going back in forth, one of your feet always has to be on the ground) . That inner lane was chewed up by that walking race . nothing done to firm it up . Hayes ran the world record of 10.00 for 100 meters in that lane . With the high tech synthetic tracks of the past 20 or so years, I think Hayes would have beaten Bolt a few times
@@SoulSociety404 I will do a video to compare Usain Bolt, Asafa Powell and Bob Hayes in their 4x100m relay anchor leg I know this is not THE MOST ACCURATE method but it's cool to compare the greatest sprinters ever. We can't compare Bolt and Hayes accurately... They lived at different times
I ran high school track (I could have fun in college, but I HATED running track on a cinder track in shoes with long spikes; btw, I once had an opposing runner on a delay kick a cinder into the air, which landed perfect Fly in the back of my throat, but I had luckily just handed off the baton) and you were so much slower on the track back then. Those spikes were enormous and while.they gave you traction on a
Grrrr, I hate typing on a Kindle Fire. This autocorrect changes what you type to word salad, and I accidentally hit the post button too soon. Anyway, the cinder flew down my throat. And I was saying that the long spikes made you faster than you would have been otherwise on a cinder track, you aren't nearly as fast as runners would be in just a few years on the newer composite tracks. I ran on one in high school and we set the state Mile relay, running a full 4 seconds than we'd ever run before. I shattered my personal best in the 440 yard run on that track. I am not sure Bob Hayes ever ran on one of those tracks. Also, keep in mind that most sprinters peak around age 25 or 26, and Hayes retired from track at age 21. Even as it is, he ran only a handful of races. I saw him play football a lot. He was so much faster than the defensive backs that they had to employ a very deep zone. No one could defend him one on one.I really do think that he was the fastest human ever. Give him modern shoes and let him run on a modern track and let him perfect his technique for 4 or 5 years like modern track athletes and then put him against Usain or Carl Lewis at their peaks and my money would be on Bob winning.
@@whosiskid #He hadn't peaked when he retired from track. I've no doubt he'd have improved that 100m record year on year until at least 1970. Just imagine what he would have done with modern scientific training, diet and equipment. Imagine what times he'd have run at altitude in Mexico 68. Great man. Phenominal sprinter.
And now nearly 60 years later there is finally an athlete that resembles Bob Hayes incredible speed - Joseph Fahnbulleh. He has one of the worst starts in any race he competes in but he has the same scary top speed and momentum driven finishing exactly like Bob Hayes. If he sorts out his start he will challenge the world records.
Brilliant stuff, can you do a comparison using the same method to time Usain Bolt in his WR relay split? even though it was 8.6 itd make a great video to support what youve done in this one, thanks :-)
cattycats4, There is one thing we won't be able to compare is that Bullet Bob did not have special diets. The special diets prepared by high-tech pharmaceutical companies since the early 80s. Can we recall Carl, Ben, Linford, and others? Then came Asafa, Johan, Tyson, Justin, and etc. They are the Lance Armstrong of 100m T&F. A bunch of shameless cheaters. By comparing them to the Great Bob Hayes is a direct insult and disrespect to both Bob Hayes and the 100m event.
@@benthekeeshond545 Steroids were legal in 1964, Nandrolone was definitely about and Bob was likely juiced up but it was completely legal and above board. And yet we know a million athletes have taken everything under the sun and never come close apart from Bolt to Hayes kind of speed. Dont hate athletes who take drugs, they would never get anywhere without a tremendous amount of talent and hard work and drugs dont change your genetics, without drugs the same athletes would populate the fastest times still.
@@cattycats4 We know that steroids existed in the 60s but this is the first time someone accused Bob Hayes of using steroids. If Bullet Bob ever did anything closed to what you said, there would have been a lot of wild tales and spread like the CA wildfire now. How do you explain that there are none? If steroids can't help improve an athlete's performance, how did a 38-year-old Barry Bonds hit more HRs than he ever did? How the hell Roger Clemens won more CyYoung Awards after he was released by the Red Sox? How on earth the 70s Steelers offensive line was so dominant? Since the early 80s, all sprinting Gold Medalists were on drugs or PEDs.
Was this taken from film or video? Film frame rate should be 24 frames per second, not 25.fps. Not sure about a video frame rate used in Japan in 1964. Rapid Robert was fast, by any standard. Did some more digging and found this clip where he is moving the baton to his other hand behind a line. Unfortunately, I don't know if this is the start of the 100m or not. See this link. ua-cam.com/video/mh-YLy_wnrc/v-deo.html
Don't worry about that the app knows automatically what the frame rate is, and I made my analysis on at least 5 or 6 footages so no problem about that. However I made a mistake cuz I started the clock at the wrong line. But I made the analysis again but starting from the right line and I found a time of around 8.9 to 9 flat. Thank you for the comment !
27.89mph (44.88kmh), that was what the Guinness Book quoted him as hitting, I think it may have been in the Tokyo final. Not sure of Bolt's top speed. Anyone know?
How would the Guinnes book know when Hayes hit his top speed? I'm thinking theybare going off the hand time of 8.5 which BTW is incorrect. The author of this video says the frame by frame time was closer to 8.9-9.0. Bolt in his 9.58 works record hit top speed of 27.78mph betwee the 60 and 80m marks.
@@Redwhiteblue-gr5em So did Jim Hines when he broke Bob Hayes' 10.06 world record with a 10.03 at the 1968 AAU Championships in Sacramento. The meet was known as the Night of Speed. Hines ran that on dirt and cinders. So, is Hines the fastest man ever? Because he went on to the Olympics in 68 an won golds in the 100m and 4x1 just like Hayes. Hines became the first human to officially break the 10 second barrier with a 9.95 clocking on the newer tartan all weather track. He held that record for 15 years.
fastest man. Wasn't technology in the 60s greater than it was in the 30s. U people try to diminish modern athletes but won't do the same for past athletes. Past athletes that ran on the same track 20 and 30 years before bob hayes.
That he could do this running basically on dirt has always amazed me. I don't think anybody else who has ever lived, could legally run that fast on dirt, with mediocre shoes and the technology of 1964 training. I don't think they would even be all that close.
Because the Olympics were for amateurs only, Hayes had to retire at age 21 - about a year younger than Usain Bolt was when he set his first world record. So glad that stupid amateur nonsense is behind us.
Bob Hayes is the fastest man ever.He won 49 consecutive sprints in College track going into the 1964 Tokyo olympic games,where he won every race there,he clocked 9.91 in the prelims at Tokyo,wind aided they say.He blew away the field in the 100 meter final at Tokyo winning by 2 tenths of a second.Then the fastest 100 meters ever run in the 4 by 100 meter relay at 8.55,and he ran at Tokyo on a crushed gravel track.He clocked 9.1 in 100 yd.dash,4 times in the 1963 College track season.The best Bolt ever ran 100 yds.was 9.1 on a mondo synthetic track engineered for speed at least 2 to 3 tenths faster than what Bob Hayes ran on,also the shoes modern sprinters use today are much lighter,and better.Also you will notice the 60yd.dash is what was used in the NFLs fastest man contest,not 40 yds.Bullet Bob was world record holder at 60 yds.at 5.9 sec.for many yrs.and it is said he once was hand timed at 5.28 secs.for 60 yds.If this is true,its no doubt the fastest a human has ever accelerated.
Hayes' best 100m was 10.06. Jim Hines ran 10.03 on Cinders during the 1968 AAU champs in Sacramento. The races were better known as the Night of Speed. Hayes' relay leg was closer to 8.9 not 8.55. Hines ran faster. The 5.28 is a complete myth.
Henry car ran and won the 200 m and I don’t know why they didn’t run him on the relay because if they had run him Bob Hayes would’ve had a lead when he got the baton Henry car ran down Bob Hayes in a football game in the NFL
@@sydboski Were was Henry Carr,at the 100 meter final at the 1964 Olympics,he would not have had a chance against Bob Hayes in an up and up sprint,100 yds.or 100 meters.
WRONG Usain Bolt has the world record in the 100 and 200 meters. Bolt also was a member of the team world record 4x100 meters. Electronic timing is the only way to get accurate measurements down to .001 of a second. Hayes was fast, but not the fastest in history.
Bob Hayes,ran this 8.55 at Tokyo,in the 4 x 100 meter relay final on a moist cinder track surface,one can only imagine what Hayes could have done ,on todays mondo synthetic tracks,which improve times 2 to 3 percent over what Hayes ran on.No doubt Bob Hayes is the fastest ever to live.
The 8.55 was hand timed. The author of this video has the frame by frame time at 8.9-9.0. Those mathematical percent estimates are not 100% accurate. Hayes ran 10.06 in that Olympic final. Jim Hines ran 10.03 in the 1964 AAU championships on cinders, then ran 9.95 in the Olympic final on the newer tartan surface. That is not a 2-3% decrease in time. 9.83 is 2%.
I dont care what the modern day guys times are they didn't do it with incredible odds. Bob wearing someone else's shoes was it Ralph Boston's shoes? Then to run in a chewed up first lane after a distance race in lane one. Can you imagine? Against all odds he turned in a world record performance in with winning the 100 meters going away. It was the times. Women didnt run this fast either. And the Jamaicans have turned out world class sprinters men and women for at least two decades. So where does Bob Hayes, Wilma Rudolph, and Jessie Owens belong in this dispute about whose the greatest.. Simply it was there time in history. They were the best in their era by far. You remember when blacks were not allowed to compete at white universities? But Wide World of Sports showcased the national black championships. And there I'd be watching Texas Southern a their stable of sprinters. I remember at an OU indoor meet I spoke with this older black gentleman and he spoke about he ran on the same team with Bob Hayes. He said Bob couldn't run the 200 meters. Well I wouldn't know. But when He said, 'I scratched the mile relay with a 45 then you know this is the real deal. He was talking about Florida A&M where Bob Hayes ran. And I walked away shaking my head. So in closing comparing Bob Hayes to the modern day sprinters is impossible.. a different era a different time. Let's appreciate both for that's history.. Just bring back Track n Field on TV like all the other sports.. LB
You could probably deduct a 0.1 second too for the track surface is not as good as what Bolt ran his 8.65 anchor leg at. Hayes was even faster on a garbage track than Bolt was on a modern track.
That last 20 yards or so is simply unthinkable. Hayes accelerated at a point where every other sprinter in history would just try to keep their form clean and minimize velocity loss. At the end he was gaining YARDS on his competitors with each stride. His physiology had to be unique.
With today's modern pro.track and advantages mr. Hayes would run 9.4 to 9.2. Remember he was only 21. With pro track could have ran until at least 31 yrs. Old
If Bob Hayes were alive today (in 2024), I believe that he would be a consistent "9.7-low" guy. However, he would not be a "9.58 or faster" guy. In summary, YES to Top 5 in human history, but NO to #1 All-Time, in my opinion.
Hayes Owen’s Bolt the only race they will race now is in Heaven these 3 men r the ones the quickest there has ever been I would give anything to c Hayes & Owen’s on modern Tracks Shoes Starting Blocks Sports Science Nutrition what do we think 100m 9:5 like Bolt has 2 b
You can all say he was the fastest as much as you like it, it won’t make it true. Just no concrete timed evidence to say he was faster than the man who ran the Olympic 100-200 golds 3 times in a row - no one else has done it once - and broke the world records for both by big margins. You’re all doing guesswork and wishful thinking.
If Hayes had use of today’s training methods, modern running shoes and ‘ultra, fast’ track types, then no sprinter other than Usain Bolt (in his prime) would be able to challenge him! When Haye’s won the 100m at Tokyo in 1964, he did it from lane 1, which was in a very bad state because it had been ‘chewed up’ by long distance runners.
@@sydboski Obviously Jim Hines was very fast as well, but in my opinion, (and that's all I've got to offer), Hayes was the better and faster athlete of the 2.
The only problem with this (apart from the inaccuracy of that kind of film) is that's not taken for a full 100m segment, just from when he gets the baton and is already on the straight. This is maximum 90m, not 100m. Accurate analysis using the correct starting point has been done and this was a legitimate 9.00s split on cinders in 1964, which is what you'd expect from a guy running 10.06 in the official 100m. A remarkable performance but certainly not evidence to claim the bullet was the fastest man ever. He would probably be running 9.7 like Yohan Blake and Tyson Gay were at their peak.
My son used to run track. He had better than average speed. He always ran the anchor. Often...he'd provide crowd excitement running down his competion in the last leg of the race. Before the run...he'd look at his main competition...and say...If you're in front of me...watch out. I'll be running you down. As a freshman...this rarely bothered any opponent. But as his 4 year track career unfolded...he'd get into his opponents head. A few times...as he gained ground...he'd say....HERE I COME....as he closed in on an opponent. Sometimes...the race was often over before it even began. Cocky...you bet. He often replied...Supreme confidence dad. Reminded me of finger wagging Mutumbo after he blocked your shot. NO...NO...NO. Get that weak stuff OUTTA here. Or Larry Bird in his 1st 3 point shoot out. He walked into the locker. I'm looking to see who is coming in second place. Kids....🤯
@@andersonarmstrong2650 In the day...I played ball. I had a big wing span and could block shots fairly well. But early in my career...I had 12 blocks in one game. I blocked the opposing guards shot 6 times. I would let them go by me...then block them from behind. Rarely got called for fouling. As he went by me...I'd say....it's that time again. Well...that set the tone for the next three years. After that game...I was crowned...The defensive specialist. Just that title got people thinking as they drove by me. Even though I couldn't block every shot...they kinda thought I could. Much like hearing Bill Russell's foot steps behind you...😎
Hi Bob Hayes Story. Great job, and I mean it. But... I had been, many years ago, an official timekeeper, and I wonder how were you able to determine the exact moment Hayes crosses the 100 meters line, as the shot changes just before that moment, making the lines no more visible. Also, I find it difficult to believe Hayes could run, on cinder, faster than Bolt: if Hayes could really run the anchor leg in 8.56, it means he should be able to run, today on Mondo tracks and with professional training, in about 8.26, 4/10 faster than Bolt (whose best is 8.65) , so it means it could run 100 meters dash in 9.20 or so. I don't believe it possibile, although I agree that Hayes should be faster - but not by that much! Also, think about Delecour, who ran 6 meters - let's say 5/10 - slower than Hayes: If Hayes run 8.58, Delecour should have run about 9.08-9.10, and that means he could have run 100 meters dash in about 10.1-10.2 at worst, while he was absolutely not capable of that (10.5, 10.4 at the very best). Something is clearly not right! (of course we are only dealing with electronic timing)
@Andy Great comments Andy; Bolt has the fastest recognized electronically timed anchor split of 8.65, Hayes' anchor was officially hand timed, so you would add, .14 to get electronic, not faster than Bolt, but of course Hayes ran on cinder and we can only postulate what could have been had Hayes run on today's tracks and equipment.
Also, according to Vazel (speedendurance.com/2014/05/27/complete-stats-of-4x100m-fastest-anchor-leg-splits/) Hayes' leg was just 9.0 (electronic). After a careful analysis of the video presented here, I agree with him (maybe could be 8.95, but not less than that).
@@mc1483bis What eveyone is forgetting is that the relay legs are not the same distance. The passing zone is 20m long. Exactly mid zone is 100m to the finish line. So if the outgoing runner gets the stick close to the end of the zone they could only be running as low as 91m. On the flip side if they get the stick early in the zone they could run as much as 109m. To me it looks like Hayes got the stick late in the zone just before passing the end of the zone. Now, when does the clock start at mid zone or when they get the stick? Doesn't seem fair to start the clock if they don't have the stick yet. There are three types of timing that I know of. Hand time, semi automatic, and fully automatic. I always thought electronic was the way the time was displayed. Not an actual method of timing.
@@sydboski I agree. I think the clock should start when the runner crosses the 100 meters' line, with or without stick (I think this is what Vazel did). I hope Bob Hayes Story will clarify the matter soon.
Great analysis thank you ! When I did the video I was absolutely certain Hayes was a superhuman capable of running 8.55 anchor leg on a cinder track. For a couple of months I started looking at Bolt in details and I realized just how fast he is compared to the others. I realized that Usain IS almost superhuman and Bob Hayes running faster than him on a cinder track is I think impossible. So I agree something is wrong in my analysis. I maybe know what: the line at wich I start counting the frames is maybe not the 100m line, maybe it's 95 or something. But Bob Hayes was still incredibly fast since a lot of runners can't run or run just under 10 sec actually and they are world class.
Remember, Bob was only 21. His main sport in college was football. He ran track as a seasonal sport. Track was an amateur sport, monitored closely by the NCAA. It was for fun. That final 4x100meter relay event in Tokyo was the very last track event of Bob’s life. He ran the 100 meter final in borrowed shoes, in lane 1 which was all chopped up due to the steeple chase. He won by a huge margin against the world’s best. Today’s sprinters are professionally trained from the first sign of potential, they have professional opportunities enabling careers into their late twenties or early thirties, they have lightening fast surfaces, they have the best in training and equipment technology. Bob Hayes was just a college football player running track. No thoughts of running after college. Given all the advantages of 21st century sprinting I believe 9.5 was a very reasonable expectation. His relay split from 1964 is still as fast or faster than Usain Bolt ever ran. That is really all we need to know. The speed of Hayes and Bolt was about equal; with Bob on cinders vs lightening fast synthetic track, Bolt had years of opportunities to improve while receiving the best training, nutrition and financial incentives while Bob ran track in the spring ending when he ran in the ‘64 Olympics following his junior year in college. Usain was incredible. So was Bob Hayes. Equally so.
We will never unfortunately never know how good he would have been with today’s technology
Bruce,
I agree with most of what you said but you left out one very important factor. This factor is PEDs. I know that Usain tested clean, however, all of his contemporary sprinters were caught cheating left and right. Practically, all of Usain's Jamaica T&F comrades were proven PED addicts and here we are speaking about a lone honest athlete in Usain Bolt. I found that very hard to believe. Similar to many people working in Silicon Valley, I need to push myself to go workout in a gym where I met some crazy amateur weight-lifters. Their performances can fluctuate from 375 lbs to barely over 225 lbs in bench press within a few months. Because PEDs assisted athletes cannot be consistent. The same is true with the druggie sprinters. All of the druggies can underperform from 0.5 to 0.75 seconds within a short period of time. Usain was no exception to this modern sprinting phenomenon.
The Great Bob Hayes never lost a race in T&F competitions, officially or unofficially. Because Bob Hayes ran according to his natural ability.
@@benthekeeshond545 Incorrect my friend. Bob came in third in the 200 at the 64 US Olympic trials. He also lost to Cliff Branch while barnstorming around the NFL in the off season on a pro track circuit racing the NFL's fastest. Hayes as great as he was did not have the fastest 100m time on cinders. Jim Hines and one or 2 others beat Hayes' 10.06 during the 1968 AAU champs in California. Hines ran 10.03 and I think someone else ran 10.02. The meet is more famously known as the Night of Speed.
@@sydboski Yes, but Bob won at the Olympics against the world's best. The "one or 2 others" at the night of speed did not!
@@debbiebatt1685 Incorrect! Jim Hines won the 1968 Olympics in 9.95 becoming the first human to officially break the 10 second barrier. Gotta do that homework before you post stuff like that.
"Bullet Bob" was insane fast. I remember an NFL game where he was
returning a punt down the sideline. Three players had a huge angle on
him, and he just blew by them like they were standing still. I hope somebody
can find a clip of this, it was amazing.
One of the competitors told U.S. leadoff runner, Paul Drayton, that the U.S. could not win because all they had was Bob Hayes, to which Drayton responded, "All we need is Bob Hayes." Res ipsa loquitur!
Rubbish..
@@rosrebel u obviously know nothing
@@rosrebel
Why? Didn't Bullet Bob caught up and blew the field away? Either you are a racist or irrationally anti-American.
@@benthekeeshond545 ...why so angry ...it’s an opinion......
@@benthekeeshond545 ..or is there a law against having an opinion.......so anybody who doesn’t agree with you is a bigot ....hhhmmm ...no wonder the states is a failed experiment ...
Bob Hayes went to Stanton High school in Jacksonville, Florida in the mid 60s. Even in high school he was approached with awe and respect. My brother ran a mid leg of the 400 m relay and ran against Hayes at a track relay his sr. year. There is a photo in his yearbook that shows my brother running the relay. The photo shows him very small in the background and there is a dark blur on the left side of the photo, kinda blurry. I remember asking him what that blurt was. He said it was Bob Hayes’ leg, That’s how far ahead he was! My brother said his goal in the race was, before Hayes left the track at the end of the race, he wanted to shake Hayes’ hand. He achieved his goal!
I was there in 1964 with my Dad, John F. Garland. And actually met Mr Hayes inside the Olympic Village then. Here is my recollection and some important information about him. "Bob Hayes was a sprinter and football player. He was born pigeon-toed. Still, he was fast as heck. Not elite fast, not Olympic fast, but fast. Somebody had the sense to film his running in slow motion while (I thnk) in college and determined that his feet hit the ground in the same manner when running as when walking, pigeon-toed.
It was determined that in the course of running 100-meters his feet would hit the ground “x” number of times. And, each contact was inefficient by a certain small percentage versus the perfect plant each time. It was small but it was important. Over the course of a race they felt it cost him 10ths of a second.
Bob Hayes was coached to learn how to move his foot to the perfect straight ahead landing position only microseconds before they hit the ground. Years later while in college I actually saw film of it in a "before and after" presentation. It made the difference. In Tokyo he become “The World’s Fastest Human”, a title bestowed the winner of the 100-meter dash at the Olympics.
And, I’ll never forget him getting the baton as the anchor in the 4x100M relay. When he received the baton from our third-leg runner we were behind the leader by 3-5 meters, a lead that seemed nearly insurmountable. Bob Hayes ran him down on the dirt track as if the guy had stolen his lunch money. We won by major daylight... 5-meters. It was a jaw-dropper! After that he was drafted by the Dallas Cowboys and played wide receiver for them for 11-seasons and did pretty good for a man born pigeon-toed. He is in the NFL Hall of Fame.
great stuff!
@@boyatzis Thank you so much for this comment ! I love hearing stories from people who actually lived at the time he ran..
I've seen lists where he is not at top of the fastest NFL players ever to play. That's just plain silly.
Stop the video at the :09 mark and look at the baton exchanges. The Lane 8 runner (Soviet Union) already has the baton. Hayes in Lane 7 is still being transferred the baton by Richard Stebbins. The Lane 6 runner (Poland) already has the baton. So do the Lane 5 (Venezuela ) and Lane 4 (Jamaica) runners. The Lane 3 runner (Italy) also has the baton. You cannot see the runners in Lanes 2(France) and Lane 1 (Great Britain), but presumably France already had the baton because they finished 2nd. Great Britain probably did not as they finished last. So the U.S. was likely running 7th when Hayes started his legendary anchor run.
good eye! Hayes exploded into his sprint at the very start, before he got the baton.
I imagine if he was born 40 years later and was competing today! Imagine him with all the technology available! physiology, nutrition, nice track, good shoes and a good coach with today knowledge. My God! Would be wonderful to watch this.
Also he wasn't at his peak age (21) and mostly trained for football.
Very true a good point. Can you imagine Hayes & Bolt possibly 100 WR may have been lowered TO 9.48 WHO KNOWS
I suspect if he was here today his football coach would not let him anywhere near a track.
@gordonwaldner9792 or his track coach wouldn't let him anywhere near a football field.
Worlds fastest human being. Bullit Bob Hayes. Great athlete. Man was just awesome!
absolutely
I was running track for Walter aJohnson High School back in the late 60's. My track coach Chauncey Ford had been a track coach in Florida when Bob Hayes was in high school and knew him. I was a big Dallas fan because of Bob Hayes and when the Cowboys came to play the Redskins one time Coach Ford ask everyone on the team if they would like to go meet Bob. I and one other guy said YES and the following Saturday evening we went down to DC to the hotel where the Cowboys were staying and went up to his room. Bob was there with Too Tall and two other players. Of course, as kids, we were in awe. I had brought with me a book on the 64 Olympics that had a full two page spread of Bob bursting out of the blocks. He asked me if I had something for him. I opened up to the picture and showed its to him and he had never seen it. He was like a kid showing it to the other players. I asked him to autograph it which he happily did and expressed gratitude for me bring the book and showing it to him. He was a really good guy and yes, fast as hell.
You might be mistaken about Too Tall, maybe it was another defensive lineman but he wasn’t out of high school in the late sixties. He was drafted in 1974 by the Cowboys.
@@ronaldmorrow87 Long enough ago. I just remember some very large individuals! I stand corrected:)
Really nice story about a guy I never heard of until today....and glad I have. Hi from Tasmania, Australia.
I attended an indoor meet in 1980(?) in Oklahoma City and saw Bob race Greg Pruitt (star OU running back in the late 70's) in a 60 meter dash as an exhibition race. Greg was in his prime and Bob was well past his prime... it was a dead heat. Very impressive.
Greg Pruitt was an NFL veteran by the late seventies, I remember him and Heisman Trophy winner Johnny Rodgers of Nebraska headlining the 1971 "Game of the Century"
@@jkateilsel4492 yes--but Hayes would be considered OLD by that time!
@@jkateilsel4492 one of the most under appreciated games in history
Bob Hayes in today's track spikes on today's track surfaces and he would complete with today's sprinters. He changed NFL defenses for ever. They had to creat a zone defense to cover him.
About 50 some years ago my dad pointed him out on the TV and said #22 is Bob Hayes the fastest man that ever lived. He still might be right.
Apologies for the late comment. I understand the criticism is that the clock was started when Bob takes the baton. As the video maker admits, this is not where the relay record officials start the clock for an individual relay. The clock starts when the baton passes the end line of the passing zone, assuming a legal pass of the baton. Bob takes the baton (as all relay runners do) in the passing zone, BEFORE crossing the end line and thus starting the individual relayers clock. In 1964 during the Tokyo Olympics, individuals had a 10 meter acceleration zone, followed by a 10 meter passing zone. The passing zone is the only legal zone in which the baton can be passed, and where Bob received the baton. Again......before the "end line" of the passing zone. Bob's clock doesn't start until he crosses that line.
What does this mean for your footage? Since you started your frame rate count at the time Bob takes the baton, you are starting your clock early, not late.
What happens when you start the clock at the frame the baton passes the end line?
I am fascinated by this race and its place in sprinter mythology. And I have always wondered why there was such difference of opinion on the time of this leg. If you are here, watching this video, you probably know the stories and arguments, so and so hand timed Bob at 9. Another coach at 8.5. Another coach at 8.2. Obviously, hand timing is not as good as electronic. If you figure .2 second slop at BOTH lines, thats almost a half second of slop between coaches. No wonder the numbers vary by a half second. And no wonder we are still arguing about it 60 years later.
I applaud your effort to bring engineering clarity to the myth. And look forward to your updated results.
NOTE After the 1964 Olympics, the International Association of Track and Field Athletes(sp?) updated the rules to give ALL subsequent relay runners a 20 meter accelration zone. An extra 10 meters. And the records continue to be broken.
Usain Bolts Anchor Leg record, note the time is the difference between the end line of the passing zone and the finish line: 8.65ish. NOT when Usain gets the baton or "starts" running
ua-cam.com/video/bQOw8LF5SM4/v-deo.html
There is a 20m passing zone with a 10m fly zone before the passing zone where the runners can line up to start running.. Exactly mid passing zone is 100m from the start. Mid zones are exactly 100m from the previous midzone and the last mid oassing zone is 100m from the finish. If the runner gets the baton late in the zone and the clock starts then, he is not actually being timed for 100m.. It could be only 91m. What they should do is clock the baton from start to mid passing zone. That way at least you sre clocking 100m.
@@sydboski Thank you. I was looking to see if anyone else commented on that. It's always timed to/from mid-zone, regardless of who is actually carrying the baton at the time.
He just explodes from the field, leaving the far far behind.
A member if a VERY exclusive club...a member of a club in which he is the only member...the only man in history to win an Olympic Gold Medal ( Bob won two) and a Super Bowl Championship ring. Bob was a wide receiver on the 1971 Dallas Cowboys. In January of 1972:in Tulane Stadium in New Orleans, it was Doomsday for the overmatched Miami Dolphins as the Cowboys captured Super Bowl VI by a score of 24 to 3.
Bob is a member of the famed Dallas Cowboys Ring of Honor and is enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton, Ohio.
I would have liked to have raced him in '73 when I was at my peak in my prime in the 400m relay.
Hey Mikey,
He would have (I'll
Make it Big for You,so
you won't miss it)
He would have smoked You.dude.
The Bullet. Simply breathtaking...
🤣
@AHC63, what’s the difference between “breathtaking,” “simply breathtaking,” and “absolutely breathtaking “?
He was truly a strong runner as well as fast. He easily made the transition to the NFL without losing any speed because if the pads. Great athlete
Not humanly possible.
i saw giants-cowboys game where hayes was all alone headed toward the end zone, and henry carr came outta nowhere to tackle him. carr came from the bottom right corner of the tv screen and caught him. it's possible hayes slowed up a step cuz he was so all alone. but he must have known carr was on that field, because carr was on the same rack team in tokyo. he won two gold medals in his own right.
Carr was the world record holder at 220 yards 20.0 about 19.9 auto for 200 meters which is 218 yards. Carr was very fast
2 equally fast guys will lose to the other one carrying the football ...... or the birthday cake.
Did anyone notice his head movement? It might prove he was using a lot of body torque to advance his stride. Amazing!
Many of us run like this! My body watched with shared memories!
Emmanuel Korir runs like this and won the 800m gold medal Tokyo 2020
..yep, good point. I think the Greeks of ancient also did same thing. Might have been secret to getting more gas to legs.
For the last 50 yards or so he ran past these guys like they were jogging.
Yeah that's truly mind blowing.
Not if you consider their times in the individual 100m. It is said they ran like 10.5.
@@sydboski on a crappy cinder track.
@@tomsimpson6044 It was an Olympic track. The IOC and IAAF don't just give the Olympics to the highest bidder. They have rules and regulations. If the track was not up to par they would not have run on it.
@@sydboski In the 100 m Hayes was in Lane 1, which I've heard was in bad shape because of other races in which the runners used the inside lanes. Now the 100 m is usually run the first day of track & field, but maybe not then. It seems that being "up to par" still allowed for some variation in the condition of the track.
Does this guy's races remind anyone else of Secretariat's dominance on the track? Look at how he swayed during his runs. If he held his upper body still, nobody would ever touch his times. On cinder no less. Simply WOW.
It's interesting you say that, because I was thinking about how this method used in this video for verifying time was said to have no value when trying to verify Secretariat's Preakness time (the clock malfunctioned). Nonetheless, both Hayes and Secretariat's performances are so far removed from chance it tends to make one believe in divine intervention.
YES. that's just what I was thinking watching him come down the stretch of this race!
I honestly wonder if he somehow generates power from torquing his upper body. I am thinking maybe that is what gave him an edge.
For those of you who've never run on a dirt track and who perhaps thinks they're all the same, you should know they're not! The composition of each track can be different. Cinder tracks were common in my era 1963-1968 in Texas and the midwest and other parts of the country, but clay composition tracks were common in California. Mt. Sac College was famous for having a fast track. And everyone wanted to run on it. The Los Angeles Coliseum was also clay, but not particularly fast.
I'll tell you one thing, you did not want to fall on a Cinder composition track. It was like sliding on broken pieces of glass which imbedded itself into your skin. Hurdlers of that era suffered the most. I saw the first aid people take a very stiff brush and soap to a hurdler and brush out the cinders. Some of those cinder cuts would be 3 or 4 inches long, and cover an area the size of your hand or larger. He was biting on a towel to keep from yelling, and he had tears in his eyes. They had to get them out so he wouldn't get an infection.
Lane one would be chewed to a sandbox if the meet was a big one. And back then the sprinters drew for lanes, rather than being seeded in the middle lanes as they are today, according to how they performed in the heats and semis.
Also, amateurism was the norm. If you got caught taking anything of value from anyone, you could be banned from competition. A world class French runner was banned for TWO YEARS for accepting a pair of running shoes from a shoe rep. This resulted in under the table payments to the top tier runners, but what's worse, it resulted in very short running careers for most competitors.
Stereroids were just beginning to be explored, but the "common knowledge" at that time was they might help strength events, like discus, shot etc, but weren't very effective in running events.
Blood doping was a thing for a while, and there were rumors that some distance runners did it, and I believe that some did, but I was out of track by then and not in much contact with runners.
And then there was the Harry Edwards and the proposed Black Boycott of the 1968 Olympics, which never happened, but did result in the 200 meters Medal Stand protest by Tommie Smith and John Carlos.
John Carlos ran in the "brush spikes" in the 200 meter finals trials and set a world record in them which was later disallowed.
Shoes worn today, would not have been allowed in my era.
So, in my opinion, tracks and shoes are for a large part, responsibile for the fast times we now see in Track & Field, along with some better training regimens. Being able to make real money and a good living have also contributed to longer careers jand have encouraged many to stay competitive.
It's hard to be world class if you have to work another job, and then train!
Thank you so much for sharing your experience !
Good facts others never knew this thanks a lot
In fact back then dirt was bad on the legs and for him to play football too his whole body was built up very well real men back then glad to see this as well as read up on it he's always looked at in my eyes as the world's fastest man roll the tapes
Bob Hayes was the main reason I watched the Cowboys back in the day. He made it so exciting.
Bob Hayes was THE reason the NFL changed to the zone defense to try stopping him! (To all the f*****g wilt haters out there: note!)
Me too
@@morrisparrish76 Nobody could cover him.
No way he ran an 8.5 100
The guys behind him would have run around 9.2
That’s not an accurate timing
The watch doesn’t lie
Nobody was faster than my homeboy Crow from Jacksonville he was the Truth
R I P Homeboy #22 🇺🇸🥀🇺🇸
Bob Hayes is the fastest man to ever live. Period.
How?
@@sydboskistupid they commented . Get it, period! Means it's final 😂😅😊❤😮 😂
@@sydboskiwho do you have as the fastest I got Ben Johnson he beat Carl Lewis like Bob bullet beat those guys! That's my how!
@@DavidGivinsnhe My how, was to them saying Hayes was the fastest man to ever live. He's not.
@@DavidGivinsnhe Usain Bolt is the fastest man in recorded history.
Ben Johnson's performances at the Olympics and World championships were all retroactively erased from the record books. So his 9.83 and 9.79 do not exist.
Bob was the fastest man in the world for 4 years. His 10.06 record on cinders was broken by Jim Hines at the 1968 AAU championships in Sacramento. On cinders. Hines then went to the Olympics and won 100m gold with a new world record of 9.95 to become the first human to officially break the 10 second barrier. This was on a newer Tartan surface though.
My hero Bob hayes
When the Cowboys signed Hayes and people saw he could actually play ball, the Cardinals went out and signed Henry Carr, the record holder in the 200 and tried to cover Hayes one-on-one. He could beat Carr on any route. Staubach said he would take the snap , use a three step drop and throw the ball as far as he could and Hayes would be waiting for it. His times with today's shoes and tracks would be right up three with Bolt's, if not better.
I bet that was one hell of a thing to witness live
Need to make a movie on him so the young people who the Real deal is Rip Mr Bob Hayes 🙏
what happened to him after retirement from sports？
I shudder to think what Hayes would have done in todays world of super fast tracks, high tech training modalities, hi tech shoes, advanced nutrition. I still think he's the fastest man to ever grace this earth.
Yet Jim Hines ran faster on cinders only 4 years later.
@@sydboski You're wrong, Mexico was not cinders, do your research. It was also at altitude.
@@t.s.9656 Lol who said anything about Mexico? See this is what happens when you don't know what you are talking about and you come at someone. Had you done YOUR research you would have known that Jim Hines ran 10.03 on cinders to break Hayes' 10.06 world record during the 1968 AAU championships at Hughes Stadium in Sacramento. It was called, "The Night of Speed". Next time do your due diligence before you make yourself look silly again.
@@t.s.9656 wow what great research u did t.s
so we going to disrespect usain bolt the man that has been setting world records since the age of 16
Olympic speed in any era..... Bob Hayes!
Superb material and analysis! Thank you
I believe it, he was way behind to start that last leg and won it going away!!
Bob Hayes looked as if he was increasing his speed at the end of the race, which is popularly believed to be impossible.
To be fair, that is "a running" start to cover the last leg in about 8.55. Incredibly fast for sure. Also, if you get the baton later in your passing zone the distance isn't exactly 100m. But still a very, very quick time before the PED era.
The author of this video admitted the leg was closer to 8.9 because he was starting the time at the wrong line.
They're saying Bob Hayes had a unique running form. He was superior in competition, but what was different about his form?
Usain runs on Mondotrack
Bob Hayes ran on crused cinders , which turns quite heavy after a rain
I ran on cinders many times. The track is absolutely dead. It saps the energy from your legs. I also ran on syntheic track at the end of my running days and improved my 100 time by two tenths even though I was past my best by then. I was never very fast, but the principle is the same.
Jessie Owens ran in mud!
@@44warden He was a 'mudder'?
@@cliffhughes6010 So true! I ran on all three: grass, cinders and synthetic. I had to change my starts for synthetic tracks as the increased resistance and 'bite' of spikes into it demanded more from the legs and less from the body. Notice how much of his body, neck and shoulders Bob Hayes had to put into his action to build rhythm and momentum.
@@cliffhughes6010 almost makes ya think they should have different categories for the record books based on track surface?
When Hayes first burst on the scene breaking Frank Budd's world record, he later ran a sub 9 flat 100 yards, measuring the track to certify that record it was discovered the distance was several inches short of the required distance, so no record.
Remember Ivory Crockett? 9 flat for the 100 yards but they said it was marginally wind-aided.
I have an Uncle that ran against Bob Hayes. My Uncle said that when the race started, the blocks behind Mr. Hayes went backwards. My uncle saw the blocks flying backwards and pulled up with a hammy. Uncle said that Mr. Hayes wasn't going to embarrass him :)
I think the analysis would have more credibility if it included some discussion about the uncertainties involved. For example, there is an assumption that the video is 25 fps - how precise is this figure ? could it be 24.9 ? 24.5 ? Given the angle of the camera, how accurately can you determine the frame which matches him crossing the mark in the centre of the changeover zone ? (I struggled to even see the mark). Overall this is interesting but it seem far from definitive
Well first thank you for the comment.
I used numerous clips with different camera angles to see at which moment he crosses the line.
However, my analysis was wrong because I used the wrong line. I timed it again, starting from the real 100m line and I came out with a time from 9.00 to 8.90.
Thank you !
@@bobhayesstory8606 Well, I see we agree by now - that's a good thing! Let's say the real time was 8.95, I think this implies Hayes was capable of 9.95 (1 second plus) on 100 meters dash. This is consistent with his 10.06, given the cinder poor conditions and the shoes problem. What would he do today? I think likely 0.25 seconds less on Mondo tracks, and another 0.1 seconds less because Hayes was still an amateur (most runners think this is the difference between strong amateurs and today's professionals). So... 9.60. Let's say he was exactly as fast as Bolt, and we all could agree. :-)
@@mc1483bis I do not agree Bob was as fast as Bolt. All of the guess work of adding 0.1 for this or 0.3 for that, does not mean it is true or accurate. Hayes was a magnificent sprinter but his best 100m was 10.06 on cinders. In 1968 Jim Hines recorded a 10.03 on cinders. Why don't we see these Bolt comparisons to Hines? He ran faster than Hayes did on a similar surface.
@@sydboski : we've already discussed enough one year ago. This is not "guess work", but simple knowledge of different surfaces and training methods. I've also expressed many doubts on Hines' times and won't resume the old arguments.
@@mc1483bis Oh it is guess work, because NO ONE knows 100% what anyone would actually run on the different surfaces. So it is an estimate or guess. I don't see why you would doubt Hines' times and not Hayes', but to each his own.
He ran a 10.06 auto time on a cinder track in 1964. That is crazy.
The only man in history to own an Olympic Gold Medal ( he won two) and a Super Bowl Championship ring. Bob was on the 1971 Dallas Cowboys team that won Super Bowl VI in January of 1972.
What was the conclusion? What was Hayes' split in the final?
Back then I timed it at 8.5 but I made a mistake timing it. In reality he ran about 8.9 to 9.00, which, btw, would still be considered a really fast split with today’s tracks and spikes.
He also forced defenses in the NFL to change. Otherwise he would've always been open. 😊
You cannot argue he is the fastest man to have walked on this planet. He did this 60 years ago! .... before modern training and technology, very bad cinder track, bad shoes, and little professional training.
Jim Hines ran faster 4 years later on a cinder track. Before modern training and technology. And the same pro training Hayes got.
sydboski at Altitude!!!
@@rickromano1119 Nope. Not at altitude. Hines ran 10.03 on cinders at the 1968 AAU championships in Sacramento which is 30 feet above sea level. It was also called the Night of Speed
Hayes ran the final in lane 1 which had been badly chewed up from the walk races.
@@TheVegasNerve yes exactly!!!
Christophe Lamaitre has the same head movement and the corrected it. He’s been slower ever since. Bob Hayes was the original blistering guy
Christophe Lemaitre got injured several times these past years and that's what really made him slower I think but that's absolutely obvious that Bob Hayes was an incredibly talented athlete.
He was a nobody
@lilcourtny08 could you run a 9.92 100 and a 19.80 200? Nah 😂
Bob died at 59 getting tangled up drug trafficking, but 20 yrs ago I'm certain I could have beat him. Saw him in '64, really the fastest man alive.
Bob was set up by an undercover cop who befriended him and asked Bob if he knew where he could find some cocaine, Bob said yes and took him to a friends house and the undercover purchased the cocaine and later they were convicted of trafficking. Bob did not do drugs, he was just helping someone he thought was a friend obtain drugs.
Brilliant!
Everyone thought it was funny when he was drafted by the Dallas Cowboys. Because of him, other teams had to "invent" the zone defense. When Hayes would take the fist step from the line, the D-Backs would just turn and run. Don Meredith would then make an easy toss. Was always good for a couple of easy yards. Meredith once said he'd do that play to get his passing percentage up.
watch videos of his NFL catches. whoever the QB was--Dandy Don, Craig Morton, Staubach, even Jerry Rhome--Hayes would fly down field and catch bombs all day. He retired with a ridiculously high average yards per catch.
Not entirely true.. Zones proliferated because of Hayes, but Landry invented the umbrella shell years earlier.. The first zone..
Cinder track!
Вот это финиш!Болт отдыхает!И это на гаревой дорожке!Вот кто лучший спринтер в истории,кстати ,он единственный олимпийский чемпион в беге выигрывавший Супербоул в американском футболе
That's in dirt folks
In history everyone was fast. But fastest human of all time.. Usain Bolt🎉
fiiirst class footage
He simply runs away from the field in that straightaway, and that just does not happen with your peers, especially world class ones.
It´s the camera angle who lies, it does not look so impressive from the front. but it´s incredible fast faster than Lewis.
@@bertenqvist7324
Are you referring to Carl? Carl was a PED addict and should not be compared to the Greatest Sprinter of all-time. But credit Carl for being a PED pioneer in T&F. After Carl, we practically have 99% of world-class sprinters are on PEDs.
Hayes ran on dirt & cinder tracks . Before he ran the 100 meter dash at Tokyo 64', there was a long distance "walking" race . (I don't know if its done anymore but it looks odd, hips going back in forth, one of your feet always has to be on the ground) . That inner lane was chewed up by that walking race . nothing done to firm it up . Hayes ran the world record of 10.00 for 100 meters in that lane . With the high tech synthetic tracks of the past 20 or so years, I think Hayes would have beaten Bolt a few times
Let me know if you think that my timing technique isn't accurate enough to claim that Bob Hayes was and is the FASTEST
No question in my mind he was the fastest ever & he did it on a dirt track. You see on every powerful stride how much he was making up ground.
Bob Hayes Story Id say Usain is faster, but Hayes has it harder tbf.
@@SoulSociety404 I will do a video to compare Usain Bolt, Asafa Powell and Bob Hayes in their 4x100m relay anchor leg
I know this is not THE MOST ACCURATE method but it's cool to compare the greatest sprinters ever.
We can't compare Bolt and Hayes accurately... They lived at different times
Bob Hayes Story Thanks (sorry for the late reply)
@@bobhayesstory8606 Besides a cinder track he had borrowed shoes, minimal training and no starting blocks. And to top it all he was a kid of 21.
Put Bolt on same track that Bullet Bob ran on and you will see who is the fastest and it WON'T be Bolt.
Why?
Bolt is jamaican u think he can't run on the same track as bullet bob u are definely crazy
Yes Sir,love this comment,and its true.Bob Hayes was the fastest then,and now.
I ran high school track (I could have fun in college, but I HATED running track on a cinder track in shoes with long spikes; btw, I once had an opposing runner on a delay kick a cinder into the air, which landed perfect
Fly in the back of my throat, but I had luckily just handed off the baton) and you were so much slower on the track back then. Those spikes were enormous and while.they gave you traction on a
Grrrr, I hate typing on a Kindle Fire. This autocorrect changes what you type to word salad, and I accidentally hit the post button too soon.
Anyway, the cinder flew down my throat. And I was saying that the long spikes made you faster than you would have been otherwise on a cinder track, you aren't nearly as fast as runners would be in just a few years on the newer composite tracks. I ran on one in high school and we set the state Mile relay, running a full 4 seconds than we'd ever run before. I shattered my personal best in the 440 yard run on that track. I am not sure Bob Hayes ever ran on one of those tracks. Also, keep in mind that most sprinters peak around age 25 or 26, and Hayes retired from track at age 21. Even as it is, he ran only a handful of races. I saw him play football a lot. He was so much faster than the defensive backs that they had to employ a very deep zone. No one could defend him one on one.I really do think that he was the fastest human ever. Give him modern shoes and let him run on a modern track and let him perfect his technique for 4 or 5 years like modern track athletes and then put him against Usain or Carl Lewis at their peaks and my money would be on Bob winning.
@@whosiskid Bob Hayes ran 10.06 as a personal best on cinders. Jim Hines ran 10.03 on cinders then ran 9.95 on the new all weather track on the 1968.
@@sydboski Hayes ran 9.9 in the 100m semis.
@@johnberger5539 Wind aided. does not count.
@@whosiskid #He hadn't peaked when he retired from track. I've no doubt he'd have improved that 100m record year on year until at least 1970. Just imagine what he would have done with modern scientific training, diet and equipment. Imagine what times he'd have run at altitude in Mexico 68. Great man. Phenominal sprinter.
He ran like the cops were after him.
Blazing...
And now nearly 60 years later there is finally an athlete that resembles Bob Hayes incredible speed - Joseph Fahnbulleh. He has one of the worst starts in any race he competes in but he has the same scary top speed and momentum driven finishing exactly like Bob Hayes. If he sorts out his start he will challenge the world records.
Bullet😊
Once in a generation athlete.
Brilliant stuff, can you do a comparison using the same method to time Usain Bolt in his WR relay split? even though it was 8.6 itd make a great video to support what youve done in this one, thanks :-)
Yeah I've already done it 3 or 4 months ago... But thank you for the idea
cattycats4,
There is one thing we won't be able to compare is that Bullet Bob did not have special diets. The special diets prepared by high-tech pharmaceutical companies since the early 80s. Can we recall Carl, Ben, Linford, and others? Then came Asafa, Johan, Tyson, Justin, and etc. They are the Lance Armstrong of 100m T&F. A bunch of shameless cheaters. By comparing them to the Great Bob Hayes is a direct insult and disrespect to both Bob Hayes and the 100m event.
@@benthekeeshond545 Asafa's was over turned when his B sample came out.
@@benthekeeshond545 Steroids were legal in 1964, Nandrolone was definitely about and Bob was likely juiced up but it was completely legal and above board. And yet we know a million athletes have taken everything under the sun and never come close apart from Bolt to Hayes kind of speed. Dont hate athletes who take drugs, they would never get anywhere without a tremendous amount of talent and hard work and drugs dont change your genetics, without drugs the same athletes would populate the fastest times still.
@@cattycats4
We know that steroids existed in the 60s but this is the first time someone accused Bob Hayes of using steroids. If Bullet Bob ever did anything closed to what you said, there would have been a lot of wild tales and spread like the CA wildfire now. How do you explain that there are none?
If steroids can't help improve an athlete's performance, how did a 38-year-old Barry Bonds hit more HRs than he ever did? How the hell Roger Clemens won more CyYoung Awards after he was released by the Red Sox? How on earth the 70s Steelers offensive line was so dominant? Since the early 80s, all sprinting Gold Medalists were on drugs or PEDs.
Was this taken from film or video? Film frame rate should be 24 frames per second, not 25.fps. Not sure about a video frame rate used in Japan in 1964. Rapid Robert was fast, by any standard. Did some more digging and found this clip where he is moving the baton to his other hand behind a line. Unfortunately, I don't know if this is the start of the 100m or not. See this link. ua-cam.com/video/mh-YLy_wnrc/v-deo.html
Don't worry about that the app knows automatically what the frame rate is, and I made my analysis on at least 5 or 6 footages so no problem about that.
However I made a mistake cuz I started the clock at the wrong line.
But I made the analysis again but starting from the right line and I found a time of around 8.9 to 9 flat.
Thank you for the comment !
27.89mph (44.88kmh), that was what the Guinness Book quoted him as hitting, I think it may have been in the Tokyo final. Not sure of Bolt's top speed. Anyone know?
How would the Guinnes book know when Hayes hit his top speed? I'm thinking theybare going off the hand time of 8.5 which BTW is incorrect. The author of this video says the frame by frame time was closer to 8.9-9.0. Bolt in his 9.58 works record hit top speed of 27.78mph betwee the 60 and 80m marks.
@@sydboski So Hayes was briefly faster then. That clears that up, thanks.
No weight training and on dirt or cinder tracks!!! My goodness!!!!
Fastest man ever!
How?
@@sydboski did you watch the video. He ran on dirt cinder tracks with no spring like modern synthetic tracks
@@Redwhiteblue-gr5em So did Jim Hines when he broke Bob Hayes' 10.06 world record with a 10.03 at the 1968 AAU Championships in Sacramento. The meet was known as the Night of Speed. Hines ran that on dirt and cinders. So, is Hines the fastest man ever? Because he went on to the Olympics in 68 an won golds in the 100m and 4x1 just like Hayes. Hines became the first human to officially break the 10 second barrier with a 9.95 clocking on the newer tartan all weather track. He held that record for 15 years.
fastest man.
Wasn't technology in the 60s greater than it was in the 30s.
U people try to diminish modern athletes but won't do the same for past athletes.
Past athletes that ran on the same track 20 and 30 years before bob hayes.
@@royjohnson5913 yeah the dirt that Hayes ran on in the early 60s was technologically more advanced than the dirt in the 1930s lol
That he could do this running basically on dirt has always amazed me. I don't think anybody else who has ever lived, could legally run that fast on dirt, with mediocre shoes and the technology of 1964 training. I don't think they would even be all that close.
Jim Hines ran 10.03 on the same type of surface to break Hayes'world record of 10.06. In 1968.
Hayes ran 10.06 from the chewed up Lane 1 in the finals. He ran 9.9 in the semis.
Faster then a speeding bullet.😅
Because the Olympics were for amateurs only, Hayes had to retire at age 21 - about a year younger than Usain Bolt was when he set his first world record. So glad that stupid amateur nonsense is behind us.
Bob Hayes is the fastest man ever.He won 49 consecutive sprints in College track going into the 1964 Tokyo olympic games,where he won every race there,he clocked 9.91 in the prelims at Tokyo,wind aided they say.He blew away the field in the 100 meter final at Tokyo winning by 2 tenths of a second.Then the fastest 100 meters ever run in the 4 by 100 meter relay at 8.55,and he ran at Tokyo on a crushed gravel track.He clocked 9.1 in 100 yd.dash,4 times in the 1963 College track season.The best Bolt ever ran 100 yds.was 9.1 on a mondo synthetic track engineered for speed at least 2 to 3 tenths faster than what Bob Hayes ran on,also the shoes modern sprinters use today are much lighter,and better.Also you will notice the 60yd.dash is what was used in the NFLs fastest man contest,not 40 yds.Bullet Bob was world record holder at 60 yds.at 5.9 sec.for many yrs.and it is said he once was hand timed at 5.28 secs.for 60 yds.If this is true,its no doubt the fastest a human has ever accelerated.
Hayes' best 100m was 10.06. Jim Hines ran 10.03 on Cinders during the 1968 AAU champs in Sacramento. The races were better known as the Night of Speed. Hayes' relay leg was closer to 8.9 not 8.55. Hines ran faster. The 5.28 is a complete myth.
@@sydboski Hayes Hater LMAO 🤣 🤣
@@rickromano1119 There is no hate here for Hayes. Just the truth.
@@rickromano1119 where is the hate
702. Hayes😊
Look at the dirt Bob was running in. What miracles might he have wrought on modern speed tracks, or modern footwear? Scary to think about
WTF is “audio jungle” that is repeated throughout the video?
Henry car ran and won the 200 m and I don’t know why they didn’t run him on the relay because if they had run him Bob Hayes would’ve had a lead when he got the baton Henry car ran down Bob Hayes in a football game in the NFL
He ran in the winning 4x400m
If Carr ran down Hayes in a game, why is there no news about it?
@@sydboski Were was Henry Carr,at the 100 meter final at the 1964 Olympics,he would not have had a chance against Bob Hayes in an up and up sprint,100 yds.or 100 meters.
@@websterscam Carr won the 200m at the 64 games.
@Help Is On the Way Tell that to the moors. He said it. Not me.
Running style wasn't pretty but was effective and fun to watch
Wow!
WRONG Usain Bolt has the world record in the 100 and 200 meters. Bolt also was a member of the team world record 4x100 meters. Electronic timing is the only way to get accurate measurements down to .001 of a second. Hayes was fast, but not the fastest in history.
Bob Hayes,ran this 8.55 at Tokyo,in the 4 x 100 meter relay final on a moist cinder track surface,one can only imagine what Hayes could have done ,on todays mondo synthetic tracks,which improve times 2 to 3 percent over what Hayes ran on.No doubt Bob Hayes is the fastest ever to live.
The 8.55 was hand timed. The author of this video has the frame by frame time at 8.9-9.0. Those mathematical percent estimates are not 100% accurate. Hayes ran 10.06 in that Olympic final. Jim Hines ran 10.03 in the 1964 AAU championships on cinders, then ran 9.95 in the Olympic final on the newer tartan surface. That is not a 2-3% decrease in time. 9.83 is 2%.
Why was the USA trailing those other countries in the first place?
Drugs.
I dont care what the modern day guys times are they didn't do it with incredible odds. Bob wearing someone else's shoes was it Ralph Boston's shoes? Then to run in a chewed up first lane after a distance race in lane one. Can you imagine? Against all odds he turned in a world record performance in with winning the 100 meters going away. It was the times. Women didnt run this fast either. And the Jamaicans have turned out world class sprinters men and women for at least two decades. So where does Bob Hayes, Wilma Rudolph, and Jessie Owens belong in this dispute about whose the greatest.. Simply it was there time in history. They were the best in their era by far. You remember when blacks were not allowed to compete at white universities? But Wide World of Sports showcased the national black championships. And there I'd be watching Texas Southern a their stable of sprinters. I remember at an OU indoor meet I spoke with this older black gentleman and he spoke about he ran on the same team with Bob Hayes. He said Bob couldn't run the 200 meters. Well I wouldn't know. But when He said, 'I scratched the mile relay with a 45 then you know this is the real deal. He was talking about Florida A&M where Bob Hayes ran. And I walked away shaking my head. So in closing comparing Bob Hayes to the modern day sprinters is impossible.. a different era a different time. Let's appreciate both for that's history.. Just bring back Track n Field on TV like all the other sports.. LB
Amen! Bring track and field back to TV!
You could probably deduct a 0.1 second too for the track surface is not as good as what Bolt ran his 8.65 anchor leg at.
Hayes was even faster on a garbage track than Bolt was on a modern track.
Hayes' split was closer to 8.9.
@@sydboski stop Hating 🤣🤣
@@rickromano5723 Truth hurts doesn't it.
@@sydboski people don't like the truth.
U see how they trying to diminish bolt by praising hayes
That last 20 yards or so is simply unthinkable. Hayes accelerated at a point where every other sprinter in history would just try to keep their form clean and minimize velocity loss. At the end he was gaining YARDS on his competitors with each stride. His physiology had to be unique.
He was just slowing down slower than the other runners in the last 20m.
I would say 1. Ben Johnson. 2. Bob Hayes. 3. Bolt.
With today's modern pro.track and advantages mr. Hayes would run 9.4 to 9.2. Remember he was only 21. With pro track could have ran until at least 31 yrs. Old
So Jim Hines would have run faster than that by your theory.
DID BOB THREW THE BATON AFTER FINISH LINE? LEGAL OR ILLEGAL??
Race is over every thing is legal at that point.
Horrible form and still that fast. You can only imagine what he'd do today with all the science and technical knowledge of sprinting we have today.
They'd probably ruin him.
@SuperCapt1701 And banned from any racing competition on earth,,,but allowed to compete at the galactic level, where he belongs, lol
That's what made him run that fast with that galloping quarter horse form was great to watch.i liked it
If Bob Hayes were alive today (in 2024), I believe that he would be a consistent "9.7-low" guy. However, he would not be a "9.58 or faster" guy. In summary, YES to Top 5 in human history, but NO to #1 All-Time, in my opinion.
Hayes Owen’s Bolt the only race they will race now is in Heaven these 3 men r the ones the quickest there has ever been I would give anything to c Hayes & Owen’s on modern Tracks Shoes Starting Blocks Sports Science Nutrition what do we think 100m 9:5 like Bolt has 2 b
You can all say he was the fastest as much as you like it, it won’t make it true. Just no concrete timed evidence to say he was faster than the man who ran the Olympic 100-200 golds 3 times in a row - no one else has done it once - and broke the world records for both by big margins. You’re all doing guesswork and wishful thinking.
If Hayes had use of today’s training methods, modern running shoes and ‘ultra, fast’ track types, then no sprinter other than Usain Bolt (in his prime) would be able to challenge him! When Haye’s won the 100m at Tokyo in 1964, he did it from lane 1, which was in a very bad state because it had been ‘chewed up’ by long distance runners.
What about Jim Hines? In 1968, He ran 10.03 on a 40+ year old cinder track vs Hayes' 10.06 on a 6yr old cinder Olympic level track.
@@sydboski Obviously Jim Hines was very fast as well, but in my opinion, (and that's all I've got to offer), Hayes was the better and faster athlete of the 2.
@@Arthur_Pint How is 10.06 faster than 10.03?
@@sydboski It isn’t! It’s just that I was not basing my opinion on only one piece of data.
@@Arthur_Pint What else could you base it on?
The only problem with this (apart from the inaccuracy of that kind of film) is that's not taken for a full 100m segment, just from when he gets the baton and is already on the straight. This is maximum 90m, not 100m. Accurate analysis using the correct starting point has been done and this was a legitimate 9.00s split on cinders in 1964, which is what you'd expect from a guy running 10.06 in the official 100m. A remarkable performance but certainly not evidence to claim the bullet was the fastest man ever. He would probably be running 9.7 like Yohan Blake and Tyson Gay were at their peak.
No way Hahahahaha Bob Hayes the GOAT!!!
@@rickromano5723 how is bob the goat.
Is bob the goat in football
Is bob the goat in track and field
Is bob the best athlete in sports history
I think Bob Hayes Without Exaggerating Would be Routinely Running 9.6 and better today! Why This Man Clocked a Unreal 9.8 in the 1960s
@@thelonegerman2314 That literally never happened, his best time was that 10.06s. His 9.9s times were both aided by 5m/s winds, massively illegal.
@@malligrub So What Do you think Bob Hayes will be Running today If born in this Generation??
My son used to run track. He had better than average speed. He always ran the anchor. Often...he'd provide crowd excitement running down his competion in the last leg of the race. Before the run...he'd look at his main competition...and say...If you're in front of me...watch out. I'll be running you down. As a freshman...this rarely bothered any opponent. But as his 4 year track career unfolded...he'd get into his opponents head. A few times...as he gained ground...he'd say....HERE I COME....as he closed in on an opponent. Sometimes...the race was often over before it even began. Cocky...you bet. He often replied...Supreme confidence dad. Reminded me of finger wagging Mutumbo after he blocked your shot. NO...NO...NO. Get that weak stuff OUTTA here. Or Larry Bird in his 1st 3 point shoot out. He walked into the locker. I'm looking to see who is coming in second place. Kids....🤯
That’s a funny story !
Used to do that at school and college races!
@@andersonarmstrong2650 There's nothing like it. They hear your foot steps. Very unnerving. Overall...he had loads of fun.
@@andersonarmstrong2650 In the day...I played ball. I had a big wing span and could block shots fairly well. But early in my career...I had 12 blocks in one game. I blocked the opposing guards shot 6 times. I would let them go by me...then block them from behind. Rarely got called for fouling. As he went by me...I'd say....it's that time again. Well...that set the tone for the next three years. After that game...I was crowned...The defensive specialist. Just that title got people thinking as they drove by me. Even though I couldn't block every shot...they kinda thought I could. Much like hearing Bill Russell's foot steps behind you...😎
Blow your horn elsewhere. This is about Bob.
Jesse Owens 10.2 on dirt with no starting blocks!!! 🤷🏿
He should have moved to Tokyo.
Hi Bob Hayes Story. Great job, and I mean it. But... I had been, many years ago, an official timekeeper, and I wonder how were you able to determine the exact moment Hayes crosses the 100 meters line, as the shot changes just before that moment, making the lines no more visible. Also, I find it difficult to believe Hayes could run, on cinder, faster than Bolt: if Hayes could really run the anchor leg in 8.56, it means he should be able to run, today on Mondo tracks and with professional training, in about 8.26, 4/10 faster than Bolt (whose best is 8.65) , so it means it could run 100 meters dash in 9.20 or so. I don't believe it possibile, although I agree that Hayes should be faster - but not by that much! Also, think about Delecour, who ran 6 meters - let's say 5/10 - slower than Hayes: If Hayes run 8.58, Delecour should have run about 9.08-9.10, and that means he could have run 100 meters dash in about 10.1-10.2 at worst, while he was absolutely not capable of that (10.5, 10.4 at the very best). Something is clearly not right!
(of course we are only dealing with electronic timing)
@Andy Great comments Andy; Bolt has the fastest recognized electronically timed anchor split of 8.65, Hayes' anchor was officially hand timed, so you would add, .14 to get electronic, not faster than Bolt, but of course Hayes ran on cinder and we can only postulate what could have been had Hayes run on today's tracks and equipment.
Also, according to Vazel (speedendurance.com/2014/05/27/complete-stats-of-4x100m-fastest-anchor-leg-splits/) Hayes' leg was just 9.0 (electronic). After a careful analysis of the video presented here, I agree with him (maybe could be 8.95, but not less than that).
@@mc1483bis What eveyone is forgetting is that the relay legs are not the same distance. The passing zone is 20m long. Exactly mid zone is 100m to the finish line. So if the outgoing runner gets the stick close to the end of the zone they could only be running as low as 91m. On the flip side if they get the stick early in the zone they could run as much as 109m. To me it looks like Hayes got the stick late in the zone just before passing the end of the zone. Now, when does the clock start at mid zone or when they get the stick? Doesn't seem fair to start the clock if they don't have the stick yet.
There are three types of timing that I know of. Hand time, semi automatic, and fully automatic. I always thought electronic was the way the time was displayed. Not an actual method of timing.
@@sydboski I agree. I think the clock should start when the runner crosses the 100 meters' line, with or without stick (I think this is what Vazel did). I hope Bob Hayes Story will clarify the matter soon.
Great analysis thank you !
When I did the video I was absolutely certain Hayes was a superhuman capable of running 8.55 anchor leg on a cinder track.
For a couple of months I started looking at Bolt in details and I realized just how fast he is compared to the others. I realized that Usain IS almost superhuman and Bob Hayes running faster than him on a cinder track is I think impossible.
So I agree something is wrong in my analysis. I maybe know what: the line at wich I start counting the frames is maybe not the 100m line, maybe it's 95 or something.
But Bob Hayes was still incredibly fast since a lot of runners can't run or run just under 10 sec actually and they are world class.
彼が白人のチャンピオンだったら、過去を暴かれる事無く、もっと長く活躍出来た。当時の黒人差別は、今から考えても、全く不条理なものだった。