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Look when you have people in charge of Magic who don't care about magic you're going to get bloat. All these people care about is how much money they can make and how big of bonus they can get. They don't care about the game they never played it. Yet they make decisions that affect production that stagnate the game. These people don't care if they kill magic, they will do what everyone else they do in management do, they blame the workers who actually love the game and move on to the next job to ruin that product. It's a revolving door that Ceo and top management does it's totally the American way. Destroy a product and still get paid. When you see and hear from the people at Wizard's who actually love the game, they help make the first thing that always comes to my mind is why are they not in charge, why are the people who spent time in the trenches in higher forms of management making decisions that players will like and feel happy about. You said that magic is safe for now, and your right; people love the game and even through all the crap people don't want to abandonee their love, but just like all bad relationships people will eventually say goodbye to Wizards crappy upper management ruining the game. I wish the employees would break off and make there own game.
The thing is Magic is the only game that heavily rely on the card game. Other IP already have established brand, they have merchandise or movies to gain the popularity.
lorcana took off very well in my area, draws more than magic except for commander nights, and honestly i have more fun and think its a more enjoyable game.
Pokemon's strength is its ubiquitous IP. Magic's strength is a gameplay system that's extremely versatile and hard to deviate from. FaB did a good job of making a distinct game, but the gameplay arguably has a lot less variance than MTG. Not to knock on Yugioh, but I can see it losing its standing over time, especially as One Piece rises in the ranks (and if especially they can get their supply down). It doesn't have the IP strength of Pokemon and the fundamental game design lends itself to insane power creep and tier 0 decks.
Magic will never die, but this is a danger to hurt it extremely in the long term. Just like how Wizards hurt D&D edition 4 and then 6 years later brought out the success that was edition 5
Just ran a star wars draft at my apartment where 16 people showed up! Half were magic players and the other half were completely new to the tcg world. I would play more MTG standard but nobody wants to play it in person. At every pre-release I go to I ask people if they would play in person buy they all say they've spent too much on Arena to start investing in paper magic.
im glad i started playing arena as a free player back in 2020. the only time i EVER spend money on arena is for the mastery pass. but 4 years later; even still as a free player; ive accumulated a ton of cards on arena. however, because of arena; i got back into collecting magic cards; and this is from a 20 year hiatus previously; where i sold everything as a young adult; regretted it; and now have a much more robust physical collection than i ever had in my whole life; so with some bad there is also some good :)
I think you are very wrong. Lorcana and Star Wars Unlimited are going to peel off many casual players from Magic. The core competitive crowd may stay but many of those folks are heading towards FaB. Magic has been squeezing money from its players for too long so many players are ready to abandon ship.
MtG is just too big. For it to be in any danger it would need to be harmed so badly that the 30th debacle would be microscopic in comparison. I don't even think getting rid of the Reserved List would be damaging enough to make it fall.
Magic's biggest fail points: 1. MTG Arena 2. Printing too many sets per year 3. Not promoting store play well 4. Embracing too many formats (Should only be Standard, Modern, Vintage, and Commander, and 1 or 2 draft formats) Star Wars Unlimited is carefully crafting a player base by being thoughtful around these items.
Big 3 will probably continue to reign strong. Even if something "better" comes out, just the fact that people have invested time&money, will keep most of them hooked.
It's really easy to sell your collection online, and once it's gone, there is nothing tying you to the game. especially when you look at it and realize you could put a down payment for a side by side with it.
MTG is huge and will continue to maintain its position. However FAB continues to grow and develop and its new release in May will be printed in Japanese for the first time. FAB at the moment is definitely for players but collectors will now start to get increasingly involved buying original older booster boxes now the game is 5 years old and maturing.
Maybe the Universes Beyond stuff does well because it is tied to Commander predominantly. Maybe if WotC actually cared about the competitive community and did not create 100 competitive formats to make things confusing and convalluted, they could sell more boxes of in-universe product. Instead, competitive players jump ship to other companies who treat them better (in terms of prize support, market research, fewer competing formats in the game, etc) and/or have better lore and characters and/or have better game mechanics. Personally, I'm probably sticking to MTG because one thing MTG has got going for it is it won't die, and it will always be there for me, like that favorite, worn out and torn t-shirt you refuse to throw out and you wear for days on end without washing it.
Multiple comp formats is one of magics strengths, what isn't is how little effort wotc does to keep prices down. Hell even pauper decks are getting expensive now. i like the differences of playing pioneer to modern or standard to pauper. It also allows for cards that wouldn't have a home in one format to be defining in another.
I immediately understood how to play Lorcana and Star Wars because I know Magic, Pokémon, and Yugioh. Even going back to Versus. The IP isn’t enough if you’re just going to replicate the blueprint. I feel Pokemon has stood the test of time because they created rules that are the furthest from Magic while having a strong IP.
I wouldn’t say I’m the huge magic player. I just started going to in person events this year but I was very excited to continue doing so even though the sets were meh. Star Wars has me doing a complete 180 on that. I do not care about anything magic anymore. I’m looking at two sealed booster boxes I still have from magic and debating if I just want to open them up and sell them to buy more Star Wars cards…
It is kinda strange how back in the Days every Game failed hard and fast except Yugi, Pokemon and Magic. But now some of these new Games suddenly get so much Popular. Remember when Digimon and One Piece had a Card Game back then? And look at the new ones now. Remember when Harry Potter had a Card Game?
The excess is killing Magic. Pokemon sets are like, 300 cards total INCLUDING foils. Magic has a new set basically every month and it's always like 500 cards (excluding traditional foils) with like 4 subsets and a bunch of reprints. They're fostering apathy in their fanbase
I think One Pieace and Starwars are more of a closed target to make them important but not going for king place, while Lorcana, I think that one is going to look for much more if they evolve it in the right way quick, it has a lot of potential to go to battle big 3 in short term (give it 3 to 4 years) but at the end it will depend on how MTG and Pokemon keep their strategies.
as long as you view this game as nothing more than just a game. then its fine. but if you bought into it thinking you're gonna be selling these cards 20 years from now for super high value. eh.... that is a loosing bet . i always bet on magic reigning supreme.
I can’t deny the numbers, but personally my game group has left magic because of universes beyond. And I’m talking about VERY enfranchised players who have being playing magic 20+ years.
lets not forget that some sports hobby packs can cost upwards of 1500 dollars or more; just 1 box! that contains maybe 3 or 4 items in it? some have only 1 card or item in it. no one complains about those prices?
What do you mean by danger? Take away market share? Certainly. Eliminate MTG altogether? Probably not. However, I'd say that if the answer is take away market share the answer is certainly yes, MTG is in danger.
Most people at my local shop just play lorcana and one piece , magic just a hardcore group but it's small and always the same, lorcana and one piece events sell out! And keep making them bigger too.. idk
I've moved on to Lorcana. I'll probably check out Star Wars if I find product near me and people playing, otherwise I won't bother. I still love Magic, but Hasbro has destroyed it. I will continue to buy singles from time to time, especially if I can find some actual Modern or Pioneer tournaments near me. But I hate Commander and the focus on that format has pushed me away even more than I already was. It also makes finding the aforementioned tourneys much harder to find. So I've moved on to games that are focusing on the 1v1 that I actually want from my card games.
I started my TCG hobby with Magic. Recently Magic is too much of a 'feel bad' to keep playing, like every aspect of this game sucks. The prices are too high. The powercreep is outrageous. Power imbalance when playing pickup games with strangers / the rule 0 issue. Badly designed recent limited sets. Butt-ugly artwork, including 'premium desirable cards' that look horrible (think MKM dossier showcase, or LOTR Poster cards). Playing and engaging with MTG is a feels-bad. I've splashed out to other TCGs. If I had to name one in particular, I am recently really hype about PokemonTCG, I build a deck since rotation just happened and I want to start playing PokemonTCG at my LGS instead of Magic.
Locana and Star Wars lack real art which is sad, but wotc is too greedy and they are alienating their core players by raising the prices too much. My local game store is being overrun by new players not playing magic but something else.
I have not bought magic for over a year. Magic has become extremely expensive and to much to keep up. Why would I buy a 200$ (don’t care if it is needed or not, it should be available at an affordable price) Mana Crypt instead of buying 2 boxes of Star Wars unlimited.
lol no. way too many cards in circulation and sunken cost fallacy is real. People will continue to invest in magic because they've already invested a lot of money into it.
are they a danger? absolutely not. only danger to magic is magic itself. all dependent on what magic does going forward. all other tcg/ccg will fade into obscurity
The games I play or played Magic is clear. I don't like how some people bring easy wincons to casuals but ehhhh Yu-Gi-Oh is god awful to play, too quick, I think the players are like football fans ( *toxic* ) Pokémon finally upped the pull rates and now the scalpers are annoyed ahahahahah One piece is struggling to get all their players at events and need to up their printing. Bin off Digimon or dragonball and focus on your ridiculously well selling card game that is the only game that has a chance to invade the big 3 Cardfight vanguard their company don't care about the players. Dumb pull rates, horrible stock, stupid and toxic game mechanics. The prize support is "getting better". And their V format has had I think 0 support for over a year? Beside promo's Haven't played flesh and blood because I have never seen a community Weiss should be far more popular. It's really easy to buy playsets if it isn't 5+ years old but it's a relatively balanced game
Lorcana announcing their big Grand Prix events is going to take the game to new heights. Game is amazing, and so far they’ve done a great job of catering to casuals, competitive players and collectors. Future is bright
Magic is on the downslope until hasbro sells it to a company that can make it fun and affordable again. It could turn around very very quickly if handled correctly. Lorcana is a bad game and unavailability and will die. Star Wars unlimited is the most fun ccg out there right now. Has the best play of a ccg I have ever seen. If they can keep it available and affordable, it will claim the throne if Magic abdicates it. Pokémon I have never been into, so I am assuming that it will pretty much stay what it is since it’s been so consistent for a few decades. Flesh and blood is a great pro game and will stick around but it will stay niche. If I’m an investor, I’d look at flesh and blood. And if I am a player I’d buy into Star Wars unlimited.
Oh I welcome the new card games that can take Magic players away. It will just pull the whiney poors that cry over box prices and did not already leave for FAB.
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Magic is a danger to Magic
Wizards of the cost is the danger to Magic
Universe beyond Magic the Gathering
Look when you have people in charge of Magic who don't care about magic you're going to get bloat. All these people care about is how much money they can make and how big of bonus they can get. They don't care about the game they never played it. Yet they make decisions that affect production that stagnate the game. These people don't care if they kill magic, they will do what everyone else they do in management do, they blame the workers who actually love the game and move on to the next job to ruin that product. It's a revolving door that Ceo and top management does it's totally the American way. Destroy a product and still get paid. When you see and hear from the people at Wizard's who actually love the game, they help make the first thing that always comes to my mind is why are they not in charge, why are the people who spent time in the trenches in higher forms of management making decisions that players will like and feel happy about.
You said that magic is safe for now, and your right; people love the game and even through all the crap people don't want to abandonee their love, but just like all bad relationships people will eventually say goodbye to Wizards crappy upper management ruining the game.
I wish the employees would break off and make there own game.
The thing is Magic is the only game that heavily rely on the card game. Other IP already have established brand, they have merchandise or movies to gain the popularity.
right. mtg had to start from nothing; based on nothing
lorcana took off very well in my area, draws more than magic except for commander nights, and honestly i have more fun and think its a more enjoyable game.
Pokemon's strength is its ubiquitous IP. Magic's strength is a gameplay system that's extremely versatile and hard to deviate from. FaB did a good job of making a distinct game, but the gameplay arguably has a lot less variance than MTG.
Not to knock on Yugioh, but I can see it losing its standing over time, especially as One Piece rises in the ranks (and if especially they can get their supply down). It doesn't have the IP strength of Pokemon and the fundamental game design lends itself to insane power creep and tier 0 decks.
Lorcana drew a lot of interest at first, but it's died out because we can't get more product in.
I've seen product, game just got boring cause same deck wins tbh.
Ravenburger really has no experience
Star Wars is out of this world! I left magic because of Lorcana…now left Lorcana for Star Wars!
Magic will never die, but this is a danger to hurt it extremely in the long term. Just like how Wizards hurt D&D edition 4 and then 6 years later brought out the success that was edition 5
Just ran a star wars draft at my apartment where 16 people showed up! Half were magic players and the other half were completely new to the tcg world. I would play more MTG standard but nobody wants to play it in person. At every pre-release I go to I ask people if they would play in person buy they all say they've spent too much on Arena to start investing in paper magic.
im glad i started playing arena as a free player back in 2020. the only time i EVER spend money on arena is for the mastery pass. but 4 years later; even still as a free player; ive accumulated a ton of cards on arena. however, because of arena; i got back into collecting magic cards; and this is from a 20 year hiatus previously; where i sold everything as a young adult; regretted it; and now have a much more robust physical collection than i ever had in my whole life; so with some bad there is also some good :)
I think you are very wrong. Lorcana and Star Wars Unlimited are going to peel off many casual players from Magic. The core competitive crowd may stay but many of those folks are heading towards FaB. Magic has been squeezing money from its players for too long so many players are ready to abandon ship.
Casuals will always be casuals. They don't matter. Companies survive because of the whales.
MtG is just too big. For it to be in any danger it would need to be harmed so badly that the 30th debacle would be microscopic in comparison. I don't even think getting rid of the Reserved List would be damaging enough to make it fall.
Magic's biggest fail points:
1. MTG Arena
2. Printing too many sets per year
3. Not promoting store play well
4. Embracing too many formats (Should only be Standard, Modern, Vintage, and Commander, and 1 or 2 draft formats)
Star Wars Unlimited is carefully crafting a player base by being thoughtful around these items.
im just waiting for wizards to make it official they are going full digital and no more physical cards. prepare for cards to skyrocket in price.
I totally skipped Fallout for Star Wars Unlimited. Enjoying every minute. Magic is still BOSS though.
Big 3 will probably continue to reign strong. Even if something "better" comes out, just the fact that people have invested time&money, will keep most of them hooked.
It's really easy to sell your collection online, and once it's gone, there is nothing tying you to the game. especially when you look at it and realize you could put a down payment for a side by side with it.
@@rd8696 You might actually be right on that ;)
MTG is huge and will continue to maintain its position. However FAB continues to grow and develop and its new release in May will be printed in Japanese for the first time. FAB at the moment is definitely for players but collectors will now start to get increasingly involved buying original older booster boxes now the game is 5 years old and maturing.
Maybe the Universes Beyond stuff does well because it is tied to Commander predominantly. Maybe if WotC actually cared about the competitive community and did not create 100 competitive formats to make things confusing and convalluted, they could sell more boxes of in-universe product. Instead, competitive players jump ship to other companies who treat them better (in terms of prize support, market research, fewer competing formats in the game, etc) and/or have better lore and characters and/or have better game mechanics. Personally, I'm probably sticking to MTG because one thing MTG has got going for it is it won't die, and it will always be there for me, like that favorite, worn out and torn t-shirt you refuse to throw out and you wear for days on end without washing it.
Multiple comp formats is one of magics strengths, what isn't is how little effort wotc does to keep prices down. Hell even pauper decks are getting expensive now. i like the differences of playing pioneer to modern or standard to pauper. It also allows for cards that wouldn't have a home in one format to be defining in another.
I immediately understood how to play Lorcana and Star Wars because I know Magic, Pokémon, and Yugioh. Even going back to Versus. The IP isn’t enough if you’re just going to replicate the blueprint. I feel Pokemon has stood the test of time because they created rules that are the furthest from Magic while having a strong IP.
I do not know mate... some days I think Magic will NEVER d*e, but on the other hand .... remember the "Kodak Moment"!?!? 🤘🦁🤘
No to answer your question because I'm not gonna change 4x0,25$ for a dollard lol. They are all the same but with different rules and names.
I wouldn’t say I’m the huge magic player. I just started going to in person events this year but I was very excited to continue doing so even though the sets were meh. Star Wars has me doing a complete 180 on that. I do not care about anything magic anymore. I’m looking at two sealed booster boxes I still have from magic and debating if I just want to open them up and sell them to buy more Star Wars cards…
The original big 2 was star wars and magic. However, that was 30 years ago.
Star Wars unlimited Is really good btw
Yes, especially when they can be played multi-player commander style.
Ooh that would make the transition to playing a new game feel more comfortable for sure!
It is kinda strange how back in the Days every Game failed hard and fast except Yugi, Pokemon and Magic. But now some of these new Games suddenly get so much Popular. Remember when Digimon and One Piece had a Card Game back then? And look at the new ones now. Remember when Harry Potter had a Card Game?
The excess is killing Magic. Pokemon sets are like, 300 cards total INCLUDING foils. Magic has a new set basically every month and it's always like 500 cards (excluding traditional foils) with like 4 subsets and a bunch of reprints. They're fostering apathy in their fanbase
I think One Pieace and Starwars are more of a closed target to make them important but not going for king place, while Lorcana, I think that one is going to look for much more if they evolve it in the right way quick, it has a lot of potential to go to battle big 3 in short term (give it 3 to 4 years) but at the end it will depend on how MTG and Pokemon keep their strategies.
Lorcana is awesome. Prior Magic gamer love to play Lorcana with Wifey.
I am going wait for few years until they release my favorite movie/ characters
as long as you view this game as nothing more than just a game. then its fine. but if you bought into it thinking you're gonna be selling these cards 20 years from now for super high value. eh.... that is a loosing bet . i always bet on magic reigning supreme.
I can’t deny the numbers, but personally my game group has left magic because of universes beyond. And I’m talking about VERY enfranchised players who have being playing magic 20+ years.
lets not forget that some sports hobby packs can cost upwards of 1500 dollars or more; just 1 box! that contains maybe 3 or 4 items in it? some have only 1 card or item in it. no one complains about those prices?
Dabbers in Georgia doesn’t carry MTG at all. There are a more Yugioh only focused shops popping up. It’s a better market.
What do you mean by danger? Take away market share? Certainly. Eliminate MTG altogether? Probably not. However, I'd say that if the answer is take away market share the answer is certainly yes, MTG is in danger.
Watch the video, don’t just read the title.
@@magic_claw 🤡
What do you think about Altered?
In fairness I struggle to understand how it’s going to work :-(
At this point the game is Wizard's to lose.
Most people at my local shop just play lorcana and one piece , magic just a hardcore group but it's small and always the same, lorcana and one piece events sell out! And keep making them bigger too.. idk
Lorecana had a chance but Disney backstabbed them by license ip to mtg.
I've moved on to Lorcana. I'll probably check out Star Wars if I find product near me and people playing, otherwise I won't bother.
I still love Magic, but Hasbro has destroyed it. I will continue to buy singles from time to time, especially if I can find some actual Modern or Pioneer tournaments near me. But I hate Commander and the focus on that format has pushed me away even more than I already was. It also makes finding the aforementioned tourneys much harder to find. So I've moved on to games that are focusing on the 1v1 that I actually want from my card games.
I started my TCG hobby with Magic. Recently Magic is too much of a 'feel bad' to keep playing, like every aspect of this game sucks. The prices are too high. The powercreep is outrageous. Power imbalance when playing pickup games with strangers / the rule 0 issue. Badly designed recent limited sets. Butt-ugly artwork, including 'premium desirable cards' that look horrible (think MKM dossier showcase, or LOTR Poster cards). Playing and engaging with MTG is a feels-bad. I've splashed out to other TCGs. If I had to name one in particular, I am recently really hype about PokemonTCG, I build a deck since rotation just happened and I want to start playing PokemonTCG at my LGS instead of Magic.
Lorcana is sick af
Locana and Star Wars lack real art which is sad, but wotc is too greedy and they are alienating their core players by raising the prices too much. My local game store is being overrun by new players not playing magic but something else.
I have not bought magic for over a year. Magic has become extremely expensive and to much to keep up. Why would I buy a 200$ (don’t care if it is needed or not, it should be available at an affordable price) Mana Crypt instead of buying 2 boxes of Star Wars unlimited.
lol no. way too many cards in circulation and sunken cost fallacy is real. People will continue to invest in magic because they've already invested a lot of money into it.
are they a danger? absolutely not.
only danger to magic is magic itself.
all dependent on what magic does going forward.
all other tcg/ccg will fade into obscurity
Moved on to Lorcana
Great you found a new home.
I moved on to One Piece.
Screw MTG
The games I play or played
Magic is clear. I don't like how some people bring easy wincons to casuals but ehhhh
Yu-Gi-Oh is god awful to play, too quick, I think the players are like football fans ( *toxic* )
Pokémon finally upped the pull rates and now the scalpers are annoyed ahahahahah
One piece is struggling to get all their players at events and need to up their printing. Bin off Digimon or dragonball and focus on your ridiculously well selling card game that is the only game that has a chance to invade the big 3
Cardfight vanguard their company don't care about the players. Dumb pull rates, horrible stock, stupid and toxic game mechanics. The prize support is "getting better".
And their V format has had I think 0 support for over a year? Beside promo's
Haven't played flesh and blood because I have never seen a community
Weiss should be far more popular. It's really easy to buy playsets if it isn't 5+ years old but it's a relatively balanced game
Lorcana announcing their big Grand Prix events is going to take the game to new heights. Game is amazing, and so far they’ve done a great job of catering to casuals, competitive players and collectors. Future is bright
These talks always go big 3 and then bash yugioh. Lol
everyone forget that digimon is still here LOL
Pretty much moved to swu
Magic is on the downslope until hasbro sells it to a company that can make it fun and affordable again. It could turn around very very quickly if handled correctly.
Lorcana is a bad game and unavailability and will die.
Star Wars unlimited is the most fun ccg out there right now. Has the best play of a ccg I have ever seen. If they can keep it available and affordable, it will claim the throne if Magic abdicates it.
Pokémon I have never been into, so I am assuming that it will pretty much stay what it is since it’s been so consistent for a few decades.
Flesh and blood is a great pro game and will stick around but it will stay niche.
If I’m an investor, I’d look at flesh and blood. And if I am a player I’d buy into Star Wars unlimited.
My bet is that all 3 eventually die. But they'll enjoy their time in the sun for longer than we think I bet. Say 3-5 years
Oh I welcome the new card games that can take Magic players away. It will just pull the whiney poors that cry over box prices and did not already leave for FAB.
bullshit. im a poor; but im not whiney. ill stick to purchasing singles here and there. if i need to.