Who is the real 17th Karmappa
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Who is the Karmapa?
Karmapa means the embodiment of all the activities of the buddhas, or the one who carries out buddha-activity. In the Tibetan tradition, great enlightened teachers are said to be able to consciously control their rebirth in order to continue their activity for the benefit of all sentient beings. On this page we will give you an overview of the Karmapa lineage, and a brief introduction to the life and many activities of the present Karmapa, Ogyen Trinley Dorje.
The first Karmapa, Dusum Khyenpa, was born in 1110. He was the first of the great Tibetan masters to establish an incarnating lineage. Since his death in 1193, successive Karmapas have incarnated in this form of manifestation body (Skt. nirmanakaya), for sixteen lifetimes so far, and all have played a most important role in preserving and promulgating the Buddhist teachings of Tibet.
Prior to the birth of the first Karmapa, the arrival of a Buddhist master, who would be known as the Karmapa, had been prophesied by the historical Buddha Shakyamuni and the great tantric master of India, Guru Padmasambhava.
Throughout the centuries, Karmapas have been the central figure in the continuation of the vajrayana lineage in general and the Kagyu lineage in particular, and have played a very important role in the preservation of the study and practice lineages of Buddhism.
There is no doubt that Orgen thrinlay Dorjee is the Karmapa declared and recognised by HH the Dalai Lama, the spiritual head of Tibet and also by all eminent lamas.
And also got official recognize from Beijing central government
True . We believe Ogyen Thinley dorjee because he was recognised by HH 14th Dalai Lama .
Recognised by Shamar Rinpoche who is the one with that responsability.
@@traceler 😅🤣😂😆 r u joking me who is shemar rinpochey my ligpa😆😆
Karmapa Thenley thaye dorje had recognise by 16 th karmapa last latter.. But urgen renpoche is just tulku and he himself expose his own identity and now tibetan big position has stopped him to talk in English.. But karmapa thenley thaye dorje no thing to prove himself karmapa because his holiness is as same as 16karmapa and no different ❤❤❤❤❤
Long life HH Gyelwang Karmapa Ugyen Thinley Dorjee
if one meets Thaye Trinley Dorje, one has no doubts any more who the Karmapa is. It is that simple. Karmapa chenno
I really missed his holiness samar Rinpochela, I iam one of the greatest devote of his holiness..I miss his holiness smile and there was so much of positivity in his holiness ❤❤❤❤😢
me too, he was a great bodhisattva! btw -i hope you've seen the joint statement! Shamar's 15th incarnation will be recognized soon and our lineage will heal!
I believe in both karmpas 🙏✨ lets say mind & speech.
It doesn't matter who is real or not as long as they're carrying dharma activities in order to benefit all beings. 🙏✨
I AM TIBETAN .N I AGREE WITH YOU.
Sure
The 16th Karmapa is my root Guru. I have always said that the true Karmapa candidate will be determined by their Buddha activities.
OTD whose, non dharmic behaviors
has spoken like a loud all pervasive, lions roar. You can be trained and pretend to be the 17th Karmapa, even look like a one, but if you behave like a spoiled millionaire,, money drunk, " king" who breaks every samaya vow, that is certainly not the 17th Karmapa. Karmapa would not have to 7 million plus $ and that's just we kniw
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Thats interesting the money aspect if sharing then thats a good thing isnt it its only if its stacked and not spent on the things that is needed in His community or who ever can benefit from His generous nature ❤😂who knows what the purposes are a small mind is stuck believe me Iam talking from experience so lets all jump outside the box hey ?. ? And widen our perspective HURAY !,! OMMANIPADMEHUM x3 ❤️❤️❤️🌈🌈🌈☔️☔️☔️🙏🙏🙏🌹☸️☮️💟🛐🇳🇿🇮🇩🇺🇦🥰🙏🙏🙏
Of course, no doubt. His Holiness The Gyalwang Ogyen Thinley Dorjee. ❤
It is Shamar Rinpoche responsability to identify reincarnation.
Karmapa Thenley thaye dorje had recognise by 16 th karmapa last latter.. But urgen renpoche is just tulku and he himself expose his own identity and now tibetan big polititon has stopped him to talk in English.. But karmapa thenley thaye dorje had no thing to prove himself karmapa because his holiness is as same as 16karmapa and no different ❤❤❤❤
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you think there is a come back from rape. fathering a child from rape and made KTD pay over 10 million $.
There s no coming back for OTD.
Ges on the for sex abuse and was on the lam from India for tax evasion. He's a fake..
@@traceler have you watched H.H ogyen thinley dorjee’s documentary.? There Dalai Lama has clearly said that he saw a dream about where Karmapa was born and that happens to be the place where Tibetan karmapa, oygen thinley dorjee was born , and situ rinpoche who was very closed to 16th Karmapa identified the reincarnation but ofc I believe in both. Long live the karmapas
Tashi delek thanks 🙏 story very important I am very longtime thing story and words good tibetan story right ✅ 100 percent right 🙏💟I love indian support
Long live His Holiness the 17th karmapa Thinley theye dorjee
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The Buddha said, "Be a lamp unto yourself." That means we each must find our own way by our own practice. Whether someone else is a tulku or not should not change our practice. May all beings find happiness and liberation.
For me the two are karmapa.. Because their teaching is about wisdom... Because it's important that what kind of teaching they r giving us who is it's doesn't matter... The way of buddha teaching is important ❤..
my man , gets it,, well done,,, that is 100% correct yes.
H.H Gyelwang Karmapa Kheno@🙏🙏🙏 I believe in both "KU SUNG THUG"
The face structure of Ugen Trinley Dorjee and 16th Karmapa young face are very much similar which make us believe the real one
If you read the short biography of the first Karmapa, Dusum Khyenpa, contained in the Blue Annals (དེབ་ཐེར་སྔོན་པོ་, ) - written by Gö Lotsawa Shyönnu Pal (1392-1481), it clearly states that Karmapa is one of the Buddhas of the fortunate aeon (བསྐལ་པ་བཟང་པོ) and that noone, not even a 10th level Bodhisattva, can tell how many emanations he has.
Kap chu chee gyalwa karmapa kheno. 🙏🙏🙏🌹🌹🌹🙏🙏🙏
If you read 10th Karmapa's biography, he met multiple Karmapa's, his own rebecoming (reincarnation is the wrong word), and few of them recognize each other. Therefore both of them are Karmapas. Be informed about Buddhist concept of Nirmanakaya, before you making controversial videos.
Nothings more than, only by God H.H the 14h DALAI Lama recognised thats Karmapa.
Orgen trinlay Dorjee is the only Karmapa. He has the great power I myself experienced. Whatever people whispering, I believe in him. My Guruji is Tai Situ Pa and he has the power of knowing the correct Karmapa. I am following Vajrayana Buddhism since 30 years and believe in only Orgen Trinlay Dorjee who resembles so much to previous 16 Karmapa. Don’t confuse people. I don’t think you are Tibetan must be Indian who is trying to sell his little rough reading. Vancouver BC
Long live H.H 17th Karmapa Thaye Dorje...Recognised by the head of Kagyu lineage, 14th Shamar rinpoche, as we all know Karmapas and Shamarpas through centuries considered as one.Urgen trinley is a fake karmapa recognised officialy by chinese goverment.Dalai lama as head of gelugs lineage has no any spiritual authority to confirm who is the real recarnation for the head of kagyu lineage.
When a reincarnated lama is confirmed by the Chinese government, its good sign that this is not the true reincarnation. And why do you all forget that Urgen said him self that he is not the real Karmapa, and that he is very happy that he manage to share his thought with before 14th Shamapra's death. And now all the stories about Orgen's lovers and the babies he made with them - one can see he is truly not happy and he wants different life.
Urgen trinley dorjee 🙏🙏🙏🌺🌺🌺🙏🙏🙏
UTD real karmapa🙏🙏🙏
Both are real human beings .nothing others ..
Thinly dorje🙏🙏🙏🙏
H.H. The Dalai Lama choice is real Karmapa Urgyen Thiley Dorjee.
Bothe are Urgain
Bothe are Dorjee
One is Thinley
One is Thaye
One is promoted by Shamarpa Rinpoche.
One is promoted by Situ Rinpoche.
Bothe the Situ Rinpoche and Shamar Rinpoche and historically achieved Lama with long history.
So Karna Kagyue is enriched with two Karmapa.
Both are now Karmapa
Like it or not
Both will serve humanity!
If u don't know then please don't speak in this type news...u can make vedio in other types vedio..🙏🙏🙏my request
I follow both karmapa🙏🙏🙏
There is only one Karmapa...choose either one with genuine motivation and dedication...Karmapa Ugyen Trinley Dorjee is a genuine one...no doubt about that...Recognised by his root guru Tai Situpa Rinpochey..who has a long bonding Master and Student relationship between them in terms of recognition in every rebirth or reincarnation..
No doubt Orgyen Thinlay Dorjee recognized by The 14th HHDL
You should get knowledge before posting the video. Without evidence and authentication you can't be declared it.
100 💯 persent true.. useless reported
which one looks like K16? That should clear your politics
This is very sad for the Buddhist community and mainly for karma kagyu lineage 😭😭😭.
Both trinley thaye and ogyen trinley are the genuine karmapa...
Please Stop this kind of controversy Tibetan exile government.
Because both Rinpoche are recognize by very high lama ( Rinpoche) so stop this kind of controversy for the sake of Buddhism,
There are two dudjom Rinpoche in nyingmapa lineage and there is no controversy.. both hh shamar Rinpoche and hh situ Rinpoche are the lineage holder of karma kagyu tradition...🙏🙏🙏
Impossible. One soul cannot incarnate in two bodies.
After the conflict in Rumtek monastery most of the senior monks around 150 monks supported Shamarpa and came along with him just few few monks left behind.... Pls study hard before posting anything wrong information 🙏
Кармапа один, который рядом с Далай-ламой стоит,по глазам смотрите сколько ума и силы! и Кармапы не женятся!Ом Мани Бадме Хум!❤
Это который? Со злым лицом слева?
Это абсолютная чушь ,почитайте истории о жизни Кармап и узнаете что были Кармапы с детьми и женами.Далай Ламы ни когда не узнавали Кармап и не имеют отношения к линии Кагью.Перестаньте поддерживать коммунистов Китая и нести бред.
Seems you are one of the problem creator between the 2 karmapas among the who don’t like kamtsang kagyu.
14 Dalai Lama never recognised any Karpama and are not related to kagyu line.
Dalai Lama and Panchen Lamas are pure Gelugpa Lama. So Dalai Lama is 100% not kagyupa. Do you understand it?
Better not to try play bad politics in kagyupa to destroy kagyupa lineage.
If you really like Buddha Dharma then follow after one of any Karmapa and it’s totally free for you.
The kamtsang problem created by bullshit Situ Rinpoche and Shamar Rinpoche and it was so harmful for everyone in Buddhist society. Now the two Karmas are trying to solve the problem for every Buddhist specially for who really like precious lineage of Kagyudpa.
Что за глупость вы написали? Вы когда нибудь читали про Линию Кармап? Начиная с Первого Кармапы. Были Кармапы у которых было несколько жен и детей, другие Кармапы были монахами.
The one recognised by the dalai lama.
Trinlej Thaye Dorjee XVII Karmapa.
Real Karmappa photo is placed inside the Rumtek monastery. It section of Indian intelligence who has posed hindrances by opposing the real one. Unnecessarily kept the Karmapa under detention and not letting him visit his monastery Rumtek.
Can someone please share me chants on background
There was a letter that was not scrutinized or authenticated by experts because Tai Situ did not allowed it, that would have solve the issue once and for all... I think Tai Situ was scare of testing the legitimacy of that letter because bringing experts to use science with respect has nothing bad about that... even HH Dalai Lama was open to use science to authenticated the bones of the Buddha and using fMRI to see the working brains of mediators ( even the Catholic Church allowed science to test the Holy Shroud of Christ) so checking if the letter was actually handwritten by HH the 16 Karmapa or was a counterfeit was the right thing to do but Tai situ say " it is too Holy" so it is Holier than the remains of the Buddha or the Shroud of Christ? Cm on! If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear from science that after all is looking for the truth. and the truth does not harm if you are in the right path.
A 'no' is also an answer.
Tai Situpa is an expert. There is nothing 'anti science' about it. Scientists can also have an opinion, but no proof. Whose opinion is worth more regarding the rebirth of the Karmapa? His inner circle of Golden Rosary or a scientist who is not Buddhist and doesn't believe in rebirth?
Don’t try to insult my Guru Tai Situ Pa. Whatever he has declared is correct. I myself had great experience with him and Ogyen Trinlay Dorjee. Remember insulting a high Guru is sin, remember it. Vancouver bc
Ogyen Thinley Dorjee 🙏
if one looks at the photographs of the former Karmapa and the HH Ogyen Trinley Dorje there's no doubt he's the reincarnation of the 16th Karmapa...from childhood to teens to adulthood they look so simlar..and what's more he has the dynamism and charismatic personality of a Karmapa..
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Good observation
Problem of Tibetan Rinpoche lies with egoism of high lama. It would dissolve with the presence of Dalai Lama I agree with what Dalai Lama advice and instruct. Game of this Lamaism is still exist in this modernised world I need a true enlightened lama rather than the game of of democracy party.
No doubt. Karmapa is only one is Ugyen thrinley dorji,
Ogyen thenley dorje
His Holiness 14th Dalai lama, not the 17th Dalai lama. Maybe slip of the tongue you said 17th Dalai lama, and I accepted that. But other people will think in other ways. If you can correct it that would be better. 🙏🙏🙏thank you for your wonderful message sir.
ShamarNag Khyeñño 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Commentry confused me more...
You are doing nobody a favour by encouraging more division. It is the wish of both Karmapas that the rift is healed, and they asked that we recite Vajrasattva mantras to that effect. Let us support their wish.
It’s easy doing past life regression therapy
Gyalwa Karmapa Ogyen Thinley Dorjee is the real one..2nd Karmapa got married with a child. In Karmapa history, there was no such dat they could marry ..So Karmapa Ogyen Thinley Dorjee is the REAL one..rest is politics.
But the black one got one 14 year old daughter in Canada
@@Behappy69500 that is fake news
XYZ, So, the, totally egnorent people, judge the Karmapas, by, facial skin colours, only,
This is silly.
1. Respectfully...
HH the 14th Dalai Lama (peace and long life to him ♥) is not the leader of Karma Kagyud.
HH has NO SAY in Karma Kagyud lineage.
The Dai Lama's own lineage is inferior and younger then the Karma Kagyud.
2. KK embraces dual eminations.
If you believe in and understand Tibetan KK reincarnation (which the Chinese occupiers and rulers of Tibet do NOT being atheist) there is no difficulty in 2 simultaneous Tulku eminations.
Buddha's incarnate out of time. 🕒
There is no difficulty for a Buddha nor Bodhisatva to occupy two bodies.
Many precedents in almost every Buddhist school including Karma Kagyud.
We believe real karmapa
For the dalai lama Palden lhamo khen
Better to not discuss about both lama’s
I am sorry bro I believe you haven't read the biography of karmapa from first to last if you deed I am sure that you could understand that there is no difference between karmapa and shamarpa . First shamarpa was prophecies by the second karmapa and he also mentioned that there is no difference with him. I mean shamarpa is also reincarnate of himself. How could you say that shamarpa doesn't have any supernatural power like karmapa. I could say that more you know you come to know that more you have to learn. Please keep on research I hope you can understand the truth soon I pray for you 🙏🙏🙏🙏..
Who is karmapa?
Yeah I respect both they r bhuddhist
Ogyen Trinley Dorje is the only true Karmapa and successor of the Karmapa lineage. Just look at a picture when both 16 and 17 Karmapa were the same age...It is almost frightening...They look identical in every way. No doubt.
Indeed
Внешнее сходство не может быть подтверждением одного потока воплощения. Это заблуждение., что тело, лицо может преходить из одного в другое воплощение.
His Holiness The Dalai Lama has already made his views. His Holiness has no acceptance of Shrmapa candidate. Therefore notion of two Karmapa.
Real karmapa is Bron in Tibet 🌎
please get your facts straight before making this kind of documentary as you are short of loads of information regarding thistopic.
First of all stop making such videos on UA-cam. Get better contents. This topic is too professional to be discussed by someone like you and me….keep in mind, lil knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Is ok not problem two Karmapa we need two karmapa more Budha yes 🙏👍
Both karmapa 🙏🙏🙏
Also people like you will make such videos and there will be a plethora of debates in the comments saying this and that, dividing the people into 2 groups which creates a hostile environment. Stop this
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Buddha said:”What you see in this world are all unreal.” So two Karmapas are unreal at all.
Maybe Your parents as well...Chinese bot
So is shit jinpig that you wumaos kneel to.everything is unreal huh?when you jump infront of an oncoming truck lets see if u see yourself as "unreal" .i advice people like to to invest in learning rather than being 韭菜.corona leeks are real pathetic
胡说。 不懂不要装懂。
@@Maverick印度777 凡所有相皆是虛妄，若見諸相非相，即見如來。
佛陀為了應化眾生，變現出兩位大寶法王，不真不假，似真似假，是真是假，不辨真假，只要勤於修行，便能分辨真假。
你懂就是懂，不懂就不懂。
我不知道怎麼裝懂，請把你裝懂的方法，告訴我，讓我學學如何裝懂。
Bla bla blah
Both are real
It's hilarious and embarassing at the same time how karma thaye dorje married with the girl after the demise of the shamar Rinpoche who recognised him. He is still "the karmapa"?? Just a question outta genuine curiousity cuz last time I checked marriage isn't allowed in karma kagyu lineage.
Now his child claiming to be Shamarpa reborn 😂
If so many high rinpoches are in differences of recognizing the true Karmapa, it is time for Tibetan Buddhism to check upon its surity of recognizing reincarnations! People are losing respect and faith in this tradition due to such controversies.
No Doubt 17TH URGEN THINLEY DORJE
No one can say who is real Karmapa and who is not. Both of them could be real, or neither of them could be real. It is just a matter of who has stronger backing and followers' illusion.
Chinese puppet
without any doubt it’s Orgen thinley dorjee, it’s out of question
Married to their love one is real karmapa..she fulfill their desire😂
I am still confused after watching this entire video. Who is the real Karmapa? Can't there be more than one?
It has never happened before but for my now. Both Thaye Dorjee and Thrinley Dorjee are looked upon as the 17th Karmappa.
Why not thr can be hundred karmapa
@@cshering11 I am also karmapa
The one with the evil face is a fake one.
@@soprotivleniye7620 who evil ?
What is the sense
But the real karmapa will not get married
His Holiness The 16th Karmapa’s hat has a dark blue color. Long live His Holiness the 17th Karmapa Ogyen Thrinley Dorje.
We tibetan are ok with both as both Carrie's dharma.
Karmapa Thenley thaye dorje had recognise by 16 th karmapa last latter.. But urgen renpoche is just tulku and he himself expose his own identity and now tibetan big polititon has stopped him to talk in English.. But karmapa thenley thaye dorje had no thing to prove himself karmapa because his holiness is as same as 16karmapa and no different
we believe Gyalwang Karmapa is
Ogyen Trinlay Dorje
Both is fake,
Everybody is karmapa if they realized their true nature lol 😂😂😂
Beside my personal appreciation of his Holiness the 14. Dalai Lama from a distance it seemes obvious, that since the 1960s the tibetan government had the plan to unify the 4 main sects of tibetan Buddhism under Gelug leadership, which culminated in the death of Gungthang Tsultrim and didnt succeed mainly because of the resistance of the 16. Karmapa. I think a prerequisite for this plan was the banning of the sectarian wordly spirit dorje shugden. The paranirvana of the 16. Karmapa brought a second chance for expanding the dominance of the gelug sect by recognising and binding Orgyen Trinley Dorje, which also in the end didnt work well. Orgyen Trinley Dorje, who might be an Tulku, is clearly brought in the wrong position by the means of tibetan politics. The rivalry of the Gelug and Karma Kagyü sect has a long tradition, already after the paranirvana of the 15 th Karmapa, the 13 th Dalai Lama propagated a wrong candidate for the rebirth of the 16. Karmapa.
You have obviously a tendency in your Posting. Sad. Karmapa is NOT about "power" His activity is about WISDOM and COMPASSION.
Ya but he got the point bcz there can't be fake guru or lama
exactly
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Every one should follow that Karmapa he trusts most.
In my case this is Karmapa Thaye Dordje.
If someone trusts Orgyen Thrinlay more he should follow him.
But I think Thaye Dordje is more convincing. He gave back his monk vovs and married.
Orgyen thrinlay had a sexulal relationship with a nun and is going on like business as usual. That is no good exampel in a word where sexual relationsships should base on trust an emazipation.
17 Karmapa Urgen thinley dorjee long live 🙏🙏🙏
Long live Karmapa Thinley Thaye Dorji
Long live H.H the Ugyen Trinley Dorjee 🙏🙏🙏💐💐💐💐🙏🙏🙏Karmapa Khenno 🙏🙏🙏
Better to judge the real Karmapa is on their action. Buddhist Monk never keep the wife and child with their buddhist Monk dress. Once the monk or lama or rinpoche fall in sexual activity is not so long Rabhjung. So better to wear lay man dress and keep the wife and children and can give the teaching if having a capacity of buddhism knowlegde. 🤔🤔🤔😏😏😏
Not true 10 and 13th Karmapas had a wife or consort. Read history before commenting. Every Buddhist master who undergoes tantric training has to take up a consort, most of them do it in a secret and Gelugs takes a wisdom consort or yeshe in chag gya, that doesn't mean all other schools follow the same thing. Plus the monk vow says sexual misconduct is not allowed, this is why even Gelongs after taking up tantric consort doesn't fall from the vow as it is not considered a sexual misconduct. As far as my knowledge goes. So stop judging. Respect everyone, I hope you remember the dog tooth story. I sometimes feel weird about Tibetan Lamas they will on one hand stay the dog story but on the other hand leave no stone unturned to vile another and this is DHARMA
Go back to some dalai lama incarnation married སྐུ ་ཕྲེང་...when dalai lama female incarnation in future, can you reject
We should analyse more about Buddhist not only one part..I think so...without analyse will create misunderstand ...dilgo khentse rinpoche was married and dalai lama get most of empowerment from khentse rinpoche why???? Dalai lama said about khentse rinpoche UA-cam
I accept ngyingma gayluk kargue sakya all...
There is only 1 Karmapa, before now n forever. Other one is a pariah just like the one who recognised him but died early due to his karma n for misguiding followers
But karma thayea Dorjee married and have child, at the same time wearing monks clothe , This is not allowed. in Buddhism.
Long Live H.H.17th The Gyalwang Karmapa Urgen Thinley Dorjee Rinpo Chey…🙏🙏🙏🌹🌹🌹
Karmapa Thenley thaye dorje had recognise by 16 th karmapa last latter.. But urgen renpoche is just tulku and he himself expose his own identity and now tibetan big polititon has stopped him to talk in English.. But karmapa thenley thaye dorje had no thing to prove himself karmapa because his holiness is as same as 16karmapa and no different
Ugyen thinly dorji is real karma pa
Everyone has their own devotion, don't conclude here saying who is real and who is fake... Go through Shamar Rinpoche's interview once. Karmapa's controversy is far more deep which we humen have not that abilities to understand.
Karmapa khenno, may the Karmapa lineage live forever🙏🙏🙏
Long live urgyen T
hinley dorjee karmapa
Urgen Thinley Dorjee 🙏🙏🙏
Ugen Thinlay Dorjee is the real KARMAPA who is recognized by His Holiness The 14th DALAI LAMA 🙏 ❤
True
True ugen thinley dorjee is the real 17 th kàrmapa🙏🏻🌹🙏🏻
Thanks you so much good information lord Buddha🙏🏻
Then why community and disciples doesn't follow the HH trulsikh Rinpoche yangsi who was recognize by hh the dalai lama and they follow another HH trulsikh Rinpoche who was recognize by hh drodrupchen Rinpoche...
Stop this kind controversy about karmapa...both are genuine karmapa we have to follow both karmapa...
Really? How do you clarify that unknown things.
Chabsuchee,,,,, karmapa,,,,,,ugen trinlay dorjee,,,,,
🙏💐🙏 Everywhere there were negetive and positive energy.....world even form by negetive and positive,thats why this is the example for the world,but negetive always lose,,,, right,,,,, ancient buddha was born and devdat was also born,is this the same case right .....no matter,we must prey heartly,worthfully to our real one.....thats the matter.....its my only views.....thank you.....karmapa khennoo from my heart....🙏💐🙏
Never seen the video on this topic before......nicely done..... only few things need to be corrected. The oldest schools / lineages are Nyingma, Sakya, Kagyu and Gelug. Tai Situpa Rinpoche is 70 years old. People should also watch about Jamgon Kongtrul Rinpoche's previous life will get to know more about Karmapa Orgyen Thrinle Dorje. He knows everything even in his very young age in Tibet. He helped in the search of Jamgon Kongtrul reincarnation lama. I've heard the 16th Karmapa flying hat story but never heard of rainbow body......Indeed, He is very powerful. 🙏
Please bring more videos related to the 16th Karmapa.
Karmapa Chenno 🙏🙏🙏🌷🌷🌷☸️🕉️
Thaye,Dorje, is a good father, and a good husband, but- -, -
Narration is so poor man.... Content is great...if you are Indian please make a video in Hindi with fluency we can understand Hindi even though we are not Indian
I follow both H. H. Gyalwa Karmapa 💐🙏🏿🌸🙏🌺🙏🏻🌹🙏🎁🙏🏻💐🙏🏽🌸🙏🏻🎁🙏💐🙏🏽💐
Both of them are real Karmapas for who like the unity of Kagyudpas but may be one of them are not real Karmapa for who really don’t like the unity of Karma kagyu.
if you really like the real karmapa then don’t try to create more problems between the two karmapas. If anyone is real Kagyudpa then don’t care others gossips.
I don´t know who really brought up that myth, that the dalai lama would be the spiritual leader of all tibetan buddhists.
who claimes something like that has zero knoledge about the meaning and order of the 3 teachingcycles of buddha shakyamuni and the 4 main lineages of tibetan buddhism.
the dalai lama might be some kind of political leader of a destroyed nation, that is spread around the world, but mainly genozided by china.
he´s also the spiritual leader of the gelugpa school, which is by far the youngest of all 4.
gelugs focus mainly on the 1st and 2nd teachingcycle of buddha.
the main focuspoint of karmapas kagyü lineage is the 3rd cycle. vajrayana.
how should the gelug-chief be able to judge about something like that?
and such has never ever happened in the history of the 4 schools before.
they allways find their top tulkus theirselves.
again:
there is no leading role or function of the dalai lama!!!
and tai situs claims about the letter that could never be investigated because it was to holy and finally lost.
the attempt of china to install their bought or frightened candidates to control the minds of the annexed tibetans have to be seen and understood.
and yes, tibet was never a part of china. check the history.
but a lot of chinese and even westeners believe that because they heard it often enough.
last not least...
the in the beginning cinese-installed candidate urgyen trinley escaped from the chinese control and tried to go on as karmapa for a couple of years.
untill he finally gave up and said that he is not the karmapa.
but the dalai lama is still right, right? haha
Why not better go meditate and do your practice instead of discussions. Karmapa lineage and the Kagyu school is too precious for that.