Put me in the helped column. As a child, I was often beaten by my father to unconsciousness, told I was worthless, that I could never do anything right, everything that went wrong, anywhere, whether I was involved or not, was my fault, and of course I grew up believing that. I entered adulthood afraid of people, especially men, I had no confidence, when people would define me I would change me to meet their definition, I had no "me" left, spent most of my time hiding. In my mid-thirties, the mid-'70s, I must have found the perfect psychiatrist for me, because after three years, I realized that I had been treated unfairly, that I was not only ok, I was actually pretty darn good, and no one else is allowed to define me! It's been a good life since.
Yours sounds pretty straight forward not to minimize your struggles, but to know you shouldnt be abused as a child and were treated unfairly doesnt require a therapist. What if you are more bothered by the nature of existence as a whole?
In the US, it has become "standard coincidence" that a psychotherapist will declare a patient as "cured" just slightly before all forms of health insurance and family savings run out. ;)
Captain Planet For that matter, most of psychotherapy is anecdotal there Sybil. lol ! And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar ... unless of course you "did not have sex with that woman!" ahahaha!
Not just in the US, here in Poland the cheapest therapist will take 100 zł (about $25, while minimum monthly wage here is 1200zł - $300), and they will suck you dry without giving ANY solution, no cure, nothing. Bonus points for them if you are introvert and won't question those practices.
@Darth Nihilus Mostly because society blew out of proportions what therapy is supposed to be for. Got depression? Man, you need a therapy! Plus it's cost-sink fallacy. The more money you spend on something, the more involved you are, because you don't want that money to go for waste. It's painful to actually drop it, but it's the only way to actually win - realize that you are the only one who can help yourself.
I have been suffering from depression for most of my life. I have lost count of therapists. Maybe 15 or 20. Different approaches, methods, lots of promises. None helped.
This is fair. Please do more. I struggle with severe Rapid Bipolar 1 and struggle with the drug treatments, and CBT is not even a consideration amongst my doctors. I request ECT, but am rejected so far.
Psychotherapy works 100% and can work in any kind off people.The definition off psychoy therapy is huge, there are many differents theories that all have plenty off quantitative and qualitative data. The thing is: psychoanalysis for example take a really long time to get effect , and the point that many people quit before the recommended time can lead to a wrong view about psychotherapy efficacy.
So to sum up: it sort of works sometimes, for some people, if they find the right therapist, and they have the time and money to do it long enough... (It's a scam)
In my experience, it's the therapist helping you through it, not the therapy itself. This being said, me and only me, is a very small focus group with no control, lol
I'm reevaluating my history with psychotheraoy and psychiatry. Given that it hasn't cured me of my problems, it's time to rethink what does she does not work for me.
Effetct strength of common Medication used in treating psychological disorders is worse than psychotherapy in almost every study, with the exceptions of a few disorders like schizophrenia. Psychotherapy is currently the best way to treat psychological disorders. If we advance our understanding of the human brain and mind, we will hopefully find even more effective ways to treat patients. Until the cognitiv behavioral therapy is the golden standard.
True, not only that but, they empty your wallet without you even reaching enlightenment after 2 years. You can get better results from a monk, he can guide you for free for 2 years or just pay him in a little food lol. Literally had friends that would talk about oh god i need a therapist & i would be sitting there like hello modern day monk over here, stress free, no attachment to emotions or material things, always happy. If you can't find a monk a Buddhism book would help you & you just follow a similar life style of turning suffering into happiness.
Funny thing is from my experience its just a regurgitation of previous or common sense advice. Additionally, a study found that the lack of advice for the major natural antidepressant of exercise on individuals facing depression and bi polar disorder was not included in their mental health plan. After having patients follow this healthy activity their mood significantly increased. Therapy from my experience has also been expensive and requires consistent appointments which can be used for other more long term health appointments in other aspects such as a gym membership, dermatologist, or dentist.
Talk therapy is utterly useless if you as the client aren't able to aknowledge your problems and look your inner demons in the eyes. Same works for therapists; if you don't take your client seriously and only try to convince them of your specific worldview instead of working through evidence AND experience, then you suck at your job.
danielle111115 this! My program has a huge emphasis on being neutral and actually asking ourself if there is a bias or something that would harm treatment and the patient/client
True, talking can't. But conversing, learning and connecting can. Some get to understand themselves better through talking with someone else about their behaviour. Selfreflection creates selfawareness and that in turn creates the possibility to change. You can only change what you are aware of after all.
Oh yeah! I'd like to be a counsellor and i've been reading a lot of books written by psychotherapists and narrow-minded world views abound. They think they are preachers or shaman, they are supposed to listen and give support! I wonder will I come out of the other side of a counselling and psychotherapy BSc with some kind of zealotry
It can be. It's very text book orientated and people can be more unique than that - we don't all function within the 'norm'. Best to take practical self realised self learned advice, apply your own strategies and use the bits of psychotherapy that actually work for you. That's what I found. E.g break targets and aims into smaller achievable short term steps, to help with a bigger picture...develop strategies and find which ones work and which one don't.
I used to have an irrational love for taking showers, it was interfering with my life. My therapist had me watch the shower scene from Alfred Hitchcock's horror classic "Psycho." That was some good Psycho-Therapy.
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I had the opposite growing up, and it's still something I'm getting over. As soon as I was deemed old enough to shower on my own, I would 'fake' showers (turn the water on and don't get in). I would go a week without showering. I hated the feeling of my hair being wet, the humidity, etc.
I had/have panic disorder. Medication alone didn't help, Psychotherapy alone didn't help, but the combination of the two helped me a lot and I'd say I'm 95% better now.
I'm in therapy for substance abuse. I think therapy works if the patient wants to get better and is dedicated to their treatment. You have to work your program. It's not magic.
Exactly. Lots of people think a therapist is going to just magically make their problems go away, when in fact, it's better to see them as a trainer: they can tell you what to do, but you're not going to get better unless you actually do it. With the added complication ofc that this trainer first has to find out which sport you could like. :P
therabbithat I don't think it matters so much 'what' you know. The most effective counselors I've ever seen have been open-minded, good listeners who don't make me feel judged for the obviously poor choices I've made in my life. As long as you truly care about your clients, see them as people rather than just junkies, you'll be a great counselor. All the rest you'll learn in school. Good luck! 💙
I think phycotherapy is as helpful as the psychologist who is treating. I myself had a lot of problems with some psychologists that just lumped me with what helped fix everyone. The amount of times I was told to listen to music despite me telling them I associated music with sitting on a train for 6 hours a day crying about my father's death was rediculious. And I'm so tired of being told to meditate when doing so literally brings out the darkest of my thoughts. Another struggle I faced with my treatment was that I only receive 10 free sessions a year (super lucky compared to a lot of places) but it isn't enough for treating a depression that's lasted for years. But I found a psychologist who was on my level. He understood what I understood about myself and didn't lump me into that cure all. He helped a lot through my final year of university. Sadly once I finished he felt it was time to get a little more confronting and I haven't been back since. Half of me has convinced myself that I'm doing alright, even though I know I probably shouldn't have stopped... I don't know why I'm sharing this. I guess just remember everyone is different. Listen. Be open, be honest.
The fact that people are so nonchalant about therapy possibly making symptoms worse "before they get better" is so obnoxious. Are there similar results from medications? "Oh, don't worry about your heart palpitations or blood pressure results getting worse *for now*... Just give it more time!" I think this is the most significant evidence towards proving that therapy is not what it could be in this day and age. I'd wager that given 100-200 years from now, many of the techniques used will be proven to be complete pseudo-science and even seen as practically torture. Well-meaning, but the profession, and even the research at this point is broken.
I was surprised to hear some people dislike it. I H.A.T.E. therapy and have just thrown away thousands of dollars and hours and gotten zero help. I'm glad to know I'm not alone because everyone seems to always say how much they like it and/or shock when I say I don't.
The thing is, that an isolated case or two is not representative of the entire potential of psychotherapy science. It is entirely possible to get a terrible therapist, just like sometimes we get a lazy and non communicative doctor who is more keen in getting this over with. It is paramount you match and feel good with your therapist. Leave them if you dont work well with them. Don't allow them to pollute the potential of such advanced field.
After multiple hospitalizations I realized they didn't know how to treat real mental illneses. They actually prefer alcoholics and junkies over mentally ill people because they can get the drunk to stop drinking, or the junkie to stop using but they can't get the person who is suicidal to stop being suicidal or get the schizophrenic to stop acting weird and seeing things. The only thing they can do right is give out meds to take the edge off but anything beyond that is non exsistent. So nothing is or can be worked out or resolved.
I completely agree with you. People that are at the brink of destruction often go to therapists as a last resort, because they don't know what to do anymore. But instead of trying to help, what they're theoretically supposed to do, they just gaslight you, invalidade you and add more fuel to the fire for the sake of their own amusement. You end up seriously regretting your visit. And if you where to follow the stupid advice of some geniuses here and simply search for another therapist, the new one will be the same and completely defend every wrong thing the previous therapist did, and blame you instead, as if they actually were there to be able to judge the situation. They all have a weird superiority complex and think they have some sort of moral authority, where every bit of critizism against them is a huge scandal and the person doing it needs to be punished for it.
Absolutely. It is a scam and the part I've said before about them gaslighting and invalidating the patient is the key element in order to make it work. Because if they were honest, most of the time they would have to say that the way the patient is feeling right now, is simply the logical consequence of the negative situation the patient finds himself in. But by doing so, they would also indirectly admit that they can't really do anything to help, since they can neither affect the patients current circumstances in life, nor the events that happened earlier, which led to the problematic situation of the present. That way they would make little to no money. However, if they instead tell the patient that his situation is not all that bad, that others have it worse and that he only feels so bad, because he is "sick" in the brain, they then can proceed to their "one-size-fits-all" solution of " just STFU and take anti-depressants!".
yes, Psychotherapy is a swindle. It's actually obvious when you read the literature. It's not evidence based. if I have carpal tunnel problems, yes, different practices and different schools to deal with it, exist. But they are elaborated from reality to practice, not the other way. That's mostly the problem. psychoanalysis is just a cult, it works if you believe it. That means it have the same effect as a placebo, or the neuroses themselves, because we develop neuroses to avoid pain as we develop baseless believes.
What if psychotherapy just works on depression by having the person come out of their home to interact and talk with another human being? Not to mention if they can actually talk about the things that are bothering them instead of being blocked by fear of judgement? That's not even placebo - it just is a thing people need to be human.
Guys it is not useless, it works on some people and not with other people, these studies show an average positive effect. And if you say yeahh well.. I prefer to take some pills.. the evidence have pointed out that psychotherapy use to work just as well as pills but sometimes better, and without the side effects of course (at least in depression). www.div12.org/diagnoses/ www.nature.com/articles/nrn2345
Quick, i need to make a Therapist/Psychologist joke. How many therapists does it take to change a light bulb? None, the bulb will change itself when it is ready :)))
Part of the problem with psychotherapy effectiveness is that sometimes, therapists just aren't good at their jobs. Yet, it can be hard for a patient to tell at first, or to think that any issues they're having must be them. It's just like any health professional - we all have stories about the bad ones. It's a serious relief when you find a good doctor. I've learned that the advice of "If it's not working, find someone else" is the best advice to take. It doesn't ever matter why it's not working. If it's not, it just isn't, no matter the reasons. It's always okay to keep looking.
I should hope so since that's what I'm in right now. I first tried it and didn't like it last year. Before it tore me down and it was a waste of time and money for me. My new therapist is much better and has me doing assignments outside our meetings. I can feel comfortable in my own skin and I see I've gained some confidence. I still have trouble with my anxiety, quite a lot actually. But she talks to me like anybody else would and I feel normal around her.
That's indeed important. The first one I had been to was so disagreeable that I even thought that purchasing a bag of cookies and thinking about my problems alone while eating would had been far more effective, and cheaper. I can't say I found one whom I liked, but the other ones I went were so better that I even went more than thrice to them.
I kinda acknowledge shrinks only for people who have some sort of diagnosis. I have problems in life like everyone else does, but I don't believe talking about my problems would help me because it won't solve those problems (financial issues, health issues, overworked). besides, I have friends to talk with about things bothering me... and we don't charge each other.
@@khansazainab7490 Deffinitely that. While in the upper classes you can still find abusive therapists, it's way easier to find therapists ranging in 50-200$ per visit (or those from public health care, they will just do anything to kick you out...). If you don't earn enough to afford upper class therapists, and be able to check out 10 of them 6 test sessions each, you're better off trying to help yorself on your own. Scammers can only make things worse.
I have had cognitive behavioral therapy since I was nine, and it helps me so much. I have also started dialectal behavioral therapy which also helps. Though I must say that it helps if your therapist doesn't intimidat you and that you trust them.
Here watching in my first week of my Master's program in Clinical Mental Health Counseling! Was so excited to see Hank pop up in my class assignment list - my teacher is onto something!
So far, I haven't had a single positive experience with therapy. I think some people might improve with therapy (mostly those who need to express some dark feelings) but those who need help and don't have trouble expressing their feelings are only going to receive paid gaslighting.
Mini rant: People need to stop regurgitating the idea that seeing a therapist, literally any therapist is an instant “cure all” Therapy can be helpful for some people sometimes It’s just really dismissive and flippant to suggest that therapy is the only valid way to try to heal, or that it always works, and if it doesn’t work it’s because the individual isn’t actually doing therapy “the right way” It’s really difficult to find a good therapist Therapists don’t have all the answers all the time, they are human, and some of them have their own biases and can even do more harm to their clients than good Self help books, podcasts, spirituality, life coaching, community support groups, those are valid attempts at healing too
Psychotherapy is socially acceptable prostitution. You buy mental intimacy. I find the idea of paying somebody for talking with me about my intimate feelings equally repulsive as I find paying a prostitute to have sex with.
As a counselor, I really appreciate this. It’s real, and it covers so much of the issues and strengths about our field. I especially like how real the end but was about case by case basises with clients, the individual factors are so important.
Waste of money ..... there’s value in it but not for the prices they charge ..... they charge like a medical specialist when really let’s be honest it’s not a full blown science even though they use the scientific method in their studies
It's effective... when done by the right person. You can't learn how to be a good shrink just by studying. the degree doesn't make the shrink. Some things can only be learned through living, Like empathy, which is the most important thing for a shrink to have, even if s/he doesn't show it.
My assumption is that "Psychotherapy" works when someone has recognized a problem and needs someone to listen to them and provide external feedback to address the issue. I'm dubious that the "psycho" aspect of it has all that much to do with the success or failure.
True, you basically pay someone to listen to your thoughts and worries. The whole pseudoscientific terminology is just a ruse, the benefit is in the human interaction, not the methodology.
I agree that therapy can be helpful for some people, and not others. An old friend of mine who had chronic major depression and SAD and had intermittent hospitalizations benefited from a combo of medications and ongoing psychotherapy, including DBT and talk therapy. Meanwhile, the therapy I'm receiving is not effective because it is not fighting a solely biological or psychological issue (in my case, PTSD), but also very real physical circumstances that need practicable solutions, and no amount of mindfulness training helps with ongoing current trauma, chronic illness, poverty and the lack of ability and resources that come from limited means and choices. My friend was lucky enough to have a condition that was improved by managing her ruminative thoughts, and by having a loving family to help her financially so she could take time off of work, pay for her hospitalizations, and emotionally support her as she worked on herself, but not everyone has that situation. I appreciate the role therapy plays in improving quality of life, to the point where I considered studying psychology when I was younger. Now that I'm older, I still value its impact and understand its use, but also know firsthand that there are other things it cannot help with, and it is not a cure-all for every problem a person has. I think considering how to provide services and resources for people is just as important and could go a long way in preventing people from getting to the point where their psychological and emotional health is compromised.
My family wanted me to go to a psychologist, becouse of depression. Basically just sat there and didn't know what to talk about. She said, it was alright to be silent. It went like this every time. I know the underlying message, is that no one can help me if i don't help myself. I was well aware of that before starting there. Depression is the lack of wanting anything. It was just pointless.
Therapy is very much a mixed bag. I've only had one good therapist, and then I moved over 3 hours away and couldn't see her anymore. I've seen several therapists, and finding a good one is very hard but well worth it. Or at least it was for me. I'm trying to find one that I really like, and it's definitely a process. While talking to friends and family can be a relief, they can mostly just offer support since many of them are struggling with mental illness and/or trauma as well, or they have extremely limited understanding of either. The latter are usually the ones who say I don't need therapy, but I find it very relieving to open up to a non-biased, experienced professional who is, in all except life- and safety-threatening cases, legally sworn to secrecy.
𝐘𝐎𝐔'𝐑𝐄 𝐍𝐎𝐓 𝐏𝐔𝐓𝐓𝐈𝐍𝐆 𝐈𝐍 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐄𝐅𝐅𝐎𝐑𝐓 Please refrain from saying that. It's dismissal of people's pain despite their hardwork to get out of troubles they hadn't anticipated in the first place. I only feel okay as long as _i pretend_ I'm okay. BTW, I'm talking 10 years; I am a fairly conscientious person. 𝐈𝐅 𝐈𝐓 𝐇𝐀𝐒𝐍'𝐓 𝐖𝐎𝐑𝐊𝐄𝐃 𝐅𝐎𝐑 𝐌𝐄 𝐈𝐌 𝐒𝐔𝐑𝐄 𝐈𝐓 𝐇𝐀𝐒'𝐍𝐓 𝐖𝐎𝐑𝐊𝐄𝐃 𝐅𝐎𝐑 𝐒𝐎𝐌𝐄 𝐌𝐎𝐑𝐄 𝐏𝐄𝐎𝐏𝐋𝐄.
complexwords It's when you feel like things are getting better because you're getting therapy, when in actual, they are same. It shows placebo effects.
No but like, how is any of that measured? Does that mean those people still did receive some sort of consultation, just not actual psychotherapy? I'm so confused.
I guess in a controlled study, the control group would just hang out and talk to random dude who claims to be a therapist. If I were in such a study, and somehow realized I was in the control group, I'd probably start making 5h!t up just for the hell of it, which would be a lot of fun, which would substantially improve my mood, which... Damn.
You should let your thoughts out and feels out but if talk to another person worsens you try writing/drawing them down Instead. It can have similar effects without the down cost of first opening up to a real person.
This morning I was thinking about the curriculum for a psychology degree. No neurobiology requirement, no nutrition requirement. Therapy might have helped me if any of my therapists had helped me understand that the depression and anxiety were my brain trying to survive following an adverse event that threatened my safety and security. Especially given that we exist in an environment that brains have not evolved to handle. Instead I was told that my brain is broken, it’s my family’s fault, and none of the awful things people did to me over the years mattered. Oh well, beer is is expensive and more fun. I finally learned not to care about longevity.
I will refer you to a mycologist that will serve as a guide in your fight against depression and anxiety,he will also hook you up with the drugs that are needed.
I’ve been searching for a true therapist for years. I lose time, forget major events like having been somewhere or met someone, get confused easily, have hypersomnia, etc. Instead, I keep finding counselors. It seems that counselors spend the majority of the session either as a cheerleader or confidant - neither of which is helpful at all. I’ve had many different diagnoses, from brain damage to dementia to depression to needing to be more social, to Narcolepsy, to being lonely, to being told that there is nothing wrong with me at all. I have yet to find a professional who is willing and able to review all of the data and figure out what is actually wrong, and then help me. So, I don’t have much faith in this whole area of medicine.
Tina Flintstone Talk therapy definitely isn't the appropriate treatment for that set of symptoms. How many neurologists have you seen? I'd want them to rule everything out, before trying psychiatrists (not psychologists or psychotherapists or psychoanalysts). I hope you have the money and energy to keep looking.
My sister went to therapy for years and it made her feel better by convincing her that nothing she did was her fault and that she didn't have to accept responsibility for any of her actions. Grat job, therapy!
Yes it’s also how it worked. Us westerners are a collapsing reality, we are decaying because we are weak and incapable of embracing the hardness of reality
Around four times in a row, I never could complete any processes with my therapists. They often would end up getting pregnant and taking leave, and I'd never make a new appointment or get a call from them when they returned :/
So far, phychotherapy has worked for me. Figuring out what happened on a stressful situation has helped me to notice when it's happening again and it has given me the tools to change the outcome. Understanding my thought process has helped me to explain myself better to people. Talking about whatever is bothering me with someone who's first response is not "well, it's simple. All you have to do is..." calms me down enough to be able to find solutions that could actually work. I know it doesn't work for everyone. But even if it's just a placebo, that placebo gives hope and time. I would've given up long time ago if it weren't for it.
In my experience and the experience of my friends and family psychotherapy helps. But the effictivness strongly depends on the therapist and if it is in a hospital or not. Therapy in psychiatries (at least in Germany) is often just a measure to get a diagnosis, because they don‘t have enough therapists because the training is really long and exclusive. But if done well, therapy can really help.
My main question is the pure purpose of psychotherapy. Is to treat? To cure? To augment the benefits of a healthy support system? To help a person tap into the ability they already have to cope? To educate? To give a safe space to express? Can we get the same benefits from a being connected to a loving community? Seems ambiguous.
WOW this is a TOUGH topic. I was reluctant to even watch this video. You guys did a fantastic job covering the complication of this this question. This is _exactly_ why I am happy to fund you through patreon. It is indeed sad when people don't benefit from talk therapy. And the reasons why are again, so complicated.
Psychotherapy didn't work for me, personally. 1/3 therapists helped, but the other two, good lord. I was a child then and the sessions were basically just "Stop being selfish everything is wrong with you it's your fault". WELP. THAT HELPED. They threw drugs at me too when insulting me proved to be a useless course of action. The result? Behavioural problems continued, and I felt nauseous all the time from the medication. I quit all therapy, medicinal and psycho, when I was around 14. I also was lucky enough to be able to attend a school at that time where teachers worked with the students instead of bullying them (like teachers at my previous school did). Not being told I'm trash all the time mysteriously improved my behaviour, how surprising! I was able to self-reflect on my own without having to go on the defensive against antagonistic therapists and teachers, and resolved my issues myself.
@@ezelanne Heh, yeah, no kidding. Where I lived at that time, resources for therapy were lacking. One of the bad ones I got was an adult therapist, so maybe she didn't know how to handle a child. (Edit for clarity: A therapist, who was an adult, and trained to work with adults rather than with kids.) Still, it should be common sense not to victim blame the kid though, yeesh. I still encourage people who have no luck improving on their own to seek therapy, but I'm incredibly dubious of medication to this day. In my opinion, the therapist should at least TRY a self-reflective and behavioural change approach before they go throwing drugs at people. You have no reason to go to therapy if all it took was a magic pill. Or... several, over and over, trying to force a change without teaching the patient how to change through their own will.
I’ll add that another reason 20-50% of people quit therapy is because a particular therapist isn’t a good fit. Personally, I went through 7 therapists before I found one that didn’t interject religiosity into the sessions.
I have a question that I certainly will repeat if it is not answered by somebody. What is the neurology of confusion? I have searched youtube and google scholar and even Wikipedia and found nothing that talks about the specifics about what occurs when people are confused even on a psychological level. What is Confusion and why does it happen?
This is not at all scientific of a comment, completely subjective as it is personal, but I my experience, it strongly depends on the therapist, their personality, and how well you can connect with them. With my first two therapists, I couldn't really open up much based on how I was at the time, but, mostly, how I connected with them. But with my most recent therapist, i was able to open up much more just based on personality, and it helped a lot with my struggle with depression.
Psychotherapy works....to a degree....personally, I’ve kept those “coping mechanisms” and I still use them however it depends on who you have as a therapist because all of them were terrible, didn’t help, they harassed me and they broke my confidentiality agreement even though I wasn’t a risk to myself or others. It got to the point where I would lie and say I’m fine just so they can dismiss me
Hayley Dell-Clooney Ya, I've had mixed results with therapy. For my mood disorder it helped, not as much as medication, but it helped. For my chronic pain? Nah, it all came off as condescending and demeaning.
It makes me very cautious that there're no books for laypeople explaining what exactly goes into psychotherapy. I've seen books about cognitive therapy or other methods and those are very enlightening, but why there are no books that would explain how exactly certain general experience or biological tendencies translate to lasting impact on a human mind? We all face more or less the same problems and challenges and imho the knowledge of how actually human mind works should be taught as a part of school curriculum. I can't imagine calling myself an intelligent person and not trying to answer these kinds of questions. My impression is that the information is not easily available and one must put too much effort to learn about all known cognitive biases and tendencies including stuff like similar impacts of trauma or certain experiences.
Cognitive behavioural therapy didnt work for my anxiety because apparently im too aware of the intent of the therapist and my brain naturally counters it.
This is exactly why therapists should encourage their patients to ask for a referral to another therapist if they're just not right fot the patient. If the patient doesn't feel comfortable and able to talk to their therapist, their treatment won't be effective and they will probably drop out. It is simply better to try another therapist than it is stopping therapy completely.
Anxiety disorders are the most trivial to treat conditions. Usually the anxiety is completely irrational and the affected person is actually already aware of that. Not to mention that anxiety disorders respond greatly to simplest behaviorist re-conditioning processes. They are banal and not complex or difficult to treat at all.
I had therapists that didnt work for me and then I had therapists that could talk to me the way I needed and it worked great. I made a lot of progress last year
The main take away for me is this isn’t a meritocracy, in fact it’s an anti-meritocracy, many who go into the mental health field are chasing clout/money/utility or are romanticizing their own lives aka living vicariously through their occupation, this is especially common among clinical social workers but pysch/social-psych aswell. Scishow also did a video on the “replication crisis(retesting)” in research, publication bias, research funding allocation inequities( Koch bros sat on FSU’s psych tenure board and the history/political science department by example in Tallahassee), using WEIRD( western educated industrial rich democratic) participants to try inferring universal thruths, not to mention the WEIRD acronym is basically meaningless nowadays. Western what does that even mean in a globally connected world are Albanians or Bosnian eastern by example or western, mostly Islamic but white, what about Uruguayans who are mostly white. Educated, have you talked to your average American now a days. Industrial sure. Rich, the wealth inequailty in America is now greater than pre-fall Rome aka Satyricon. Democratic…. We had a terrorist attack on the Capitol Building Jan. 6th 2020, they got away with it, Susan Collins first reaction was to speculate it was Iran though( didnt we kill one of their generals for no reason, maybe Freud was right about projection). Marx said the hegemony recreates itself even in academia. John Oliver just did an episode on Mental Health recently, 84.5% or mental health professionals are white in the US…. How is that possible? Again this isn’t a meritocracy, in who gets to conduct research, practice, or has the eceonomic means to get therapy. Rome 2.0 is crashing, im laughing if I wasnt stuck in it!
So much has to align right in order for this type of relationship to work. It's a bit of a gamble and an expensive one at that. At the end of the day, though, the goal of the therapist should be to teach you not to need a therapist but so many therapists seem too interested in getting you booked for the next session. Some therapists probably thrive on the codependent nature of the process. From my experience meditation, exercise and a copious amount of reading have been essential to my improved mental health journey. Getting out of your head and taking action are also essential.
Psychotherapy make me feeling 100% more sick. Therapist want to change the way you think and become more awareness. This led to many issuss. It made me become over sharing and asking question because i want to become more aware. Yes talking to people are but ONLY talking to people it doesnt make much of difference.Often time the therapists get defensives when i keep saying therapy dont seem to help me much. Long long story. I honestly therapy isnt good and it is a way of controlling peoplen
I have had a couple of therapists, as well as my husband. We've each had some that were good, a few that were great, and the occasional %$@# that gives therapy a bad name. I currently wish I could find a therapist that I could text and email and possibly chat with online. I just started a new job and I have almost no time to spend on regular appointments. :/
Therapy is too damn expensive in the United States. Most don't accept state medical insurance in WA, but charge like $200 an hour. Makes me wonder, are they trying to heal people, or get rich? And if the latter, why didn't they become a regular doctor?
It's €50 an hour in Ireland, but student counsellors charge €15 or are free, and if you get a referral from your GP you can have six sessions for free, but there is a waiting list for that. I didn't know it was so expensive in the US. It's a wonder anyone can afford it. I assume that is with a psychiatrist (medical doctor specialising in mental health) ? Are counsellors not considerably cheaper?
@Darth Nihilus Have you ever rented commercial space? It's expensive. So is the 6-8 years it takes to become a therapist. So is the fact that therapists don't get paid for every hour they work. In fact, a quick look says a typical therapist has 20-25 billable hours in a typical work week. That means $4000-5000/week income. That's $200-250k/year in revenue. Take out taxes. Take out insurance, and benefits, lease, etc. Median therapist salary in the USA is $70-80k, which is perfectly reasonable. Now if only you could have scraped together enough to afford enough education to not be a blustering imbecile.
The issue with therapy is environment . If a kid is being abused in some way and is taken to therapy, unless the abuse stops, the issue will persist. If an adult can’t cope with the modern world, unless the modern world stops, the symptoms persist. You can’t just change someone’s ingrained world view over a few sessions or even years of sessions. You have to find some kind of reason to continue through the chaos.
How about EMDR... It seems heavily confirmation biased... If it works by simulating REM.. then why don't we do fMRI's on someone in REM and then under EMDR... this basic, yet potentially illuminating test, seems conspicuously absent... I don't think all therapy necessarily needs to be evidence based, but it seems strange when one trumpets being evidence based yet does not include investigation of the mechanism.
I've been seeing a psychiatrist and a psychologist for months now myself, and I very frequenlty have thoughts that what they do doesn't help at all. I have an appointment today and I'm tempted to just not go.
Therapy works if YOU want it to. Yes you need the right therapists but they don’t do the work for you. People I know that didn’t do well in therapy seemed to have the wrong idea about what it actually is.
Placebo therapy works because someone listens to you, and that's what we need. Don't pay 50 / 100 an hour to someone for that, find a good listener, or a student counsellor who will charge a fraction of the cost
Put me in the helped column. As a child, I was often beaten by my father to unconsciousness, told I was worthless, that I could never do anything right, everything that went wrong, anywhere, whether I was involved or not, was my fault, and of course I grew up believing that. I entered adulthood afraid of people, especially men, I had no confidence, when people would define me I would change me to meet their definition, I had no "me" left, spent most of my time hiding. In my mid-thirties, the mid-'70s, I must have found the perfect psychiatrist for me, because after three years, I realized that I had been treated unfairly, that I was not only ok, I was actually pretty darn good, and no one else is allowed to define me! It's been a good life since.
hope ur doing ok 🤍
@@ralphperrier - "Grew out of that pattern"? You may be the kind of person who tells depressed people to "snap out of it", eh?
Thank you for your story :)
Tatakae
Yours sounds pretty straight forward not to minimize your struggles, but to know you shouldnt be abused as a child and were treated unfairly doesnt require a therapist. What if you are more bothered by the nature of existence as a whole?
I love therapy c: very hard to find a good therapist in my experience, but when I do it always helps me have more stable plans in life
In the US, it has become "standard coincidence" that a psychotherapist will declare a patient as "cured" just slightly before all forms of health insurance and family savings run out. ;)
Think that's anecdotal there bud
Captain Planet For that matter, most of psychotherapy is anecdotal there Sybil. lol !
And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar ... unless of course you "did not have sex with that woman!" ahahaha!
Not just in the US, here in Poland the cheapest therapist will take 100 zł (about $25, while minimum monthly wage here is 1200zł - $300), and they will suck you dry without giving ANY solution, no cure, nothing. Bonus points for them if you are introvert and won't question those practices.
@Darth Nihilus Mostly because society blew out of proportions what therapy is supposed to be for. Got depression? Man, you need a therapy! Plus it's cost-sink fallacy. The more money you spend on something, the more involved you are, because you don't want that money to go for waste. It's painful to actually drop it, but it's the only way to actually win - realize that you are the only one who can help yourself.
Anecdotes are usually better
Is worth looking into Héctor Fernández Álvarez's research about therapist-client compatibility.
Yes! Compatibility is critical!
I have been suffering from depression for most of my life. I have lost count of therapists. Maybe 15 or 20. Different approaches, methods, lots of promises. None helped.
This is fair. Please do more. I struggle with severe Rapid Bipolar 1 and struggle with the drug treatments, and CBT is not even a consideration amongst my doctors. I request ECT, but am rejected so far.
Psychotherapy works 100% and can work in any kind off people.The definition off psychoy
therapy is huge, there are many differents theories that all have plenty off quantitative and qualitative data. The thing is: psychoanalysis for example take a really long time to get effect , and the point that many people quit before the recommended time can lead to a wrong view about psychotherapy efficacy.
So to sum up: it sort of works sometimes, for some people, if they find the right therapist, and they have the time and money to do it long enough...
(It's a scam)
I felt the same way too
Dude, psychotherapy literally saved my life once and methaforically twice
In my experience, it's the therapist helping you through it, not the therapy itself. This being said, me and only me, is a very small focus group with no control, lol
particpant observation for qualitative data
If talk therapy worked, therapists would go out of business. The most happy countries in the world use little to no therapy.
I'm reevaluating my history with psychotheraoy and psychiatry. Given that it hasn't cured me of my problems, it's time to rethink what does she does not work for me.
Effetct strength of common Medication used in treating psychological disorders is worse than psychotherapy in almost every study, with the exceptions of a few disorders like schizophrenia. Psychotherapy is currently the best way to treat psychological disorders. If we advance our understanding of the human brain and mind, we will hopefully find even more effective ways to treat patients. Until the cognitiv behavioral therapy is the golden standard.
Its about the therapist
Can you talk about Psychodrama?
"20-50% quit...."
well...... when we patients need to pay the therapist for each session, why would they continue.....
True, not only that but, they empty your wallet without you even reaching enlightenment after 2 years. You can get better results from a monk, he can guide you for free for 2 years or just pay him in a little food lol. Literally had friends that would talk about oh god i need a therapist & i would be sitting there like hello modern day monk over here, stress free, no attachment to emotions or material things, always happy. If you can't find a monk a Buddhism book would help you & you just follow a similar life style of turning suffering into happiness.
@Xx 33 Yea marijuana would be cheaper than therapy. I don't need either i follow the path of enlightenment, which is the ultimate therapist.
Funny thing is from my experience its just a regurgitation of previous or common sense advice. Additionally, a study found that the lack of advice for the major natural antidepressant of exercise on individuals facing depression and bi polar disorder was not included in their mental health plan. After having patients follow this healthy activity their mood significantly increased. Therapy from my experience has also been expensive and requires consistent appointments which can be used for other more long term health appointments in other aspects such as a gym membership, dermatologist, or dentist.
@@garretrodriguez I’m a Christian since two years ago I can’t go to a monk as far as I’m concerned :/ idk who I can talk to besides strangers
@@garretrodriguez Hi I smoke often! No! Marijuana is definitely not a good cheap alternative to a therapist!
If nothing else, it will be the first step that leads to an effective long-term strategy.
Talk therapy is utterly useless if you as the client aren't able to aknowledge your problems and look your inner demons in the eyes. Same works for therapists; if you don't take your client seriously and only try to convince them of your specific worldview instead of working through evidence AND experience, then you suck at your job.
danielle111115 this! My program has a huge emphasis on being neutral and actually asking ourself if there is a bias or something that would harm treatment and the patient/client
Talking cannot fix behavior problems
True, talking can't. But conversing, learning and connecting can. Some get to understand themselves better through talking with someone else about their behaviour. Selfreflection creates selfawareness and that in turn creates the possibility to change. You can only change what you are aware of after all.
danielle111115 look your inner demon in the eyes is the exactly point off talk therapy
Oh yeah! I'd like to be a counsellor and i've been reading a lot of books written by psychotherapists and narrow-minded world views abound. They think they are preachers or shaman, they are supposed to listen and give support! I wonder will I come out of the other side of a counselling and psychotherapy BSc with some kind of zealotry
I've hated all my therapists and I always feel worse for going. It's a big waste of time and a GIANT waste of money.
It can be. It's very text book orientated and people can be more unique than that - we don't all function within the 'norm'. Best to take practical self realised self learned advice, apply your own strategies and use the bits of psychotherapy that actually work for you. That's what I found. E.g break targets and aims into smaller achievable short term steps, to help with a bigger picture...develop strategies and find which ones work and which one don't.
Can u explain why u hated them?
@UCUykUC4jgfLjhlwliZaqbIQ STFU YOU SOUND CRINGE
I used to have an irrational love for taking showers, it was interfering with my life. My therapist had me watch the shower scene from Alfred Hitchcock's horror classic "Psycho." That was some good Psycho-Therapy.
Dang you fast; you everywhere!! 😄😄
Is it me or you don't comment on all SciShow videos anymore? D: I've seen a couple (like the one about salt) where's there's no joke from you :(
sapphirll On work days I only have a couple of hours for UA-cam while I get ready for work. So if they upload late I miss it. Sometimes I'm too busy or can't think of a joke (most of them are original.) Sometimes my comment doesn't get thumbs up and is buried at the bottom :(
But thank you for appreciating them ^_^
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I had the opposite growing up, and it's still something I'm getting over. As soon as I was deemed old enough to shower on my own, I would 'fake' showers (turn the water on and don't get in). I would go a week without showering. I hated the feeling of my hair being wet, the humidity, etc.
I had/have panic disorder. Medication alone didn't help, Psychotherapy alone didn't help, but the combination of the two helped me a lot and I'd say I'm 95% better now.
I'm in therapy for substance abuse. I think therapy works if the patient wants to get better and is dedicated to their treatment. You have to work your program. It's not magic.
you get out what you put in?
AlanmanAaron Exactly!
Exactly. Lots of people think a therapist is going to just magically make their problems go away, when in fact, it's better to see them as a trainer: they can tell you what to do, but you're not going to get better unless you actually do it. With the added complication ofc that this trainer first has to find out which sport you could like. :P
I'd like to work in this field. What do you think all substance abuse counsellors should know?
therabbithat I don't think it matters so much 'what' you know. The most effective counselors I've ever seen have been open-minded, good listeners who don't make me feel judged for the obviously poor choices I've made in my life. As long as you truly care about your clients, see them as people rather than just junkies, you'll be a great counselor. All the rest you'll learn in school. Good luck! 💙
It blows my mind that so many of the most well-educated people on earth still can't eliminate their biases when making a study
intelligence is not the opposite of stupidity
@@goyonman9655 what is?
@@r011ing_thunder6
What's the opposite of water - Lack of water
What is the opposite of intelligence - Lack of intelligence
Many therapists are trying their own approach to solve the same problem of course they are going to have bias.
A lot of money and jobs are attached to it
I think phycotherapy is as helpful as the psychologist who is treating. I myself had a lot of problems with some psychologists that just lumped me with what helped fix everyone. The amount of times I was told to listen to music despite me telling them I associated music with sitting on a train for 6 hours a day crying about my father's death was rediculious. And I'm so tired of being told to meditate when doing so literally brings out the darkest of my thoughts. Another struggle I faced with my treatment was that I only receive 10 free sessions a year (super lucky compared to a lot of places) but it isn't enough for treating a depression that's lasted for years. But I found a psychologist who was on my level. He understood what I understood about myself and didn't lump me into that cure all. He helped a lot through my final year of university. Sadly once I finished he felt it was time to get a little more confronting and I haven't been back since. Half of me has convinced myself that I'm doing alright, even though I know I probably shouldn't have stopped...
I don't know why I'm sharing this. I guess just remember everyone is different. Listen. Be open, be honest.
The fact that people are so nonchalant about therapy possibly making symptoms worse "before they get better" is so obnoxious. Are there similar results from medications? "Oh, don't worry about your heart palpitations or blood pressure results getting worse *for now*... Just give it more time!" I think this is the most significant evidence towards proving that therapy is not what it could be in this day and age. I'd wager that given 100-200 years from now, many of the techniques used will be proven to be complete pseudo-science and even seen as practically torture. Well-meaning, but the profession, and even the research at this point is broken.
I was surprised to hear some people dislike it. I H.A.T.E. therapy and have just thrown away thousands of dollars and hours and gotten zero help. I'm glad to know I'm not alone because everyone seems to always say how much they like it and/or shock when I say I don't.
The thing is, that an isolated case or two is not representative of the entire potential of psychotherapy science.
It is entirely possible to get a terrible therapist, just like sometimes we get a lazy and non communicative doctor who is more keen in getting this over with.
It is paramount you match and feel good with your therapist. Leave them if you dont work well with them. Don't allow them to pollute the potential of such advanced field.
After multiple hospitalizations I realized they didn't know how to treat real mental illneses.
They actually prefer alcoholics and junkies over mentally ill people because they can get the drunk to stop drinking, or the junkie to stop using but they can't get the person who is suicidal to stop being suicidal or get the schizophrenic to stop acting weird and seeing things.
The only thing they can do right is give out meds to take the edge off but anything beyond that is non exsistent. So nothing is or can be worked out or resolved.
I completely agree with you. People that are at the brink of destruction often go to therapists as a last resort, because they don't know what to do anymore. But instead of trying to help, what they're theoretically supposed to do, they just gaslight you, invalidade you and add more fuel to the fire for the sake of their own amusement. You end up seriously regretting your visit. And if you where to follow the stupid advice of some geniuses here and simply search for another therapist, the new one will be the same and completely defend every wrong thing the previous therapist did, and blame you instead, as if they actually were there to be able to judge the situation. They all have a weird superiority complex and think they have some sort of moral authority, where every bit of critizism against them is a huge scandal and the person doing it needs to be punished for it.
Absolutely. It is a scam and the part I've said before about them gaslighting and invalidating the patient is the key element in order to make it work. Because if they were honest, most of the time they would have to say that the way the patient is feeling right now, is simply the logical consequence of the negative situation the patient finds himself in. But by doing so, they would also indirectly admit that they can't really do anything to help, since they can neither affect the patients current circumstances in life, nor the events that happened earlier, which led to the problematic situation of the present. That way they would make little to no money. However, if they instead tell the patient that his situation is not all that bad, that others have it worse and that he only feels so bad, because he is "sick" in the brain, they then can proceed to their "one-size-fits-all" solution of " just STFU and take anti-depressants!".
yes, Psychotherapy is a swindle. It's actually obvious when you read the literature.
It's not evidence based.
if I have carpal tunnel problems, yes, different practices and different schools to deal with it, exist.
But they are elaborated from reality to practice, not the other way. That's mostly the problem.
psychoanalysis is just a cult, it works if you believe it. That means it have the same effect as a placebo, or the neuroses themselves, because we develop neuroses to avoid pain as we develop baseless believes.
What if psychotherapy just works on depression by having the person come out of their home to interact and talk with another human being? Not to mention if they can actually talk about the things that are bothering them instead of being blocked by fear of judgement? That's not even placebo - it just is a thing people need to be human.
So true!
I found it to be useless. And so did the rest of the voices.
It is useless and always will be.
Guys it is not useless, it works on some people and not with other people, these studies show an average positive effect. And if you say yeahh well.. I prefer to take some pills.. the evidence have pointed out that psychotherapy use to work just as well as pills but sometimes better, and without the side effects of course (at least in depression).
www.div12.org/diagnoses/
www.nature.com/articles/nrn2345
So it didn’t work 🤔
THAT WAS ONE OF THE FUNNIEST COMMENT I HAVE EVER READ!
lol
well at least you're all of one mind.
Quick, i need to make a Therapist/Psychologist joke. How many therapists does it take to change a light bulb? None, the bulb will change itself when it is ready :)))
That's so bad, it's good. :P
Will a therapist fill the car with gas ? Nope the car should figure it out itself
> There's no proof psychotherapy works for real
> We believe it works
Awesome. How can I ever take psychology seriously?
The fees increase their stress.
If astrology has this level of leeway it will be considered solid science
Part of the problem with psychotherapy effectiveness is that sometimes, therapists just aren't good at their jobs. Yet, it can be hard for a patient to tell at first, or to think that any issues they're having must be them.
It's just like any health professional - we all have stories about the bad ones. It's a serious relief when you find a good doctor.
I've learned that the advice of "If it's not working, find someone else" is the best advice to take. It doesn't ever matter why it's not working. If it's not, it just isn't, no matter the reasons. It's always okay to keep looking.
So meta....
I died at that statement lol
I should hope so since that's what I'm in right now. I first tried it and didn't like it last year. Before it tore me down and it was a waste of time and money for me. My new therapist is much better and has me doing assignments outside our meetings. I can feel comfortable in my own skin and I see I've gained some confidence. I still have trouble with my anxiety, quite a lot actually. But she talks to me like anybody else would and I feel normal around her.
I thought psychotherapy didn't work until I went through three therapists and found the one I clicked with.
That's indeed important. The first one I had been to was so disagreeable that I even thought that purchasing a bag of cookies and thinking about my problems alone while eating would had been far more effective, and cheaper. I can't say I found one whom I liked, but the other ones I went were so better that I even went more than thrice to them.
Therapy (for me anyways) really depends on the therapist.
I kinda acknowledge shrinks only for people who have some sort of diagnosis.
I have problems in life like everyone else does, but I don't believe talking about my problems would help me because it won't solve those problems (financial issues, health issues, overworked). besides, I have friends to talk with about things bothering me... and we don't charge each other.
And sometimes they give you the exact advice the psychologist does ..... half the time they tell you what you already know anyway
Difference between psych hospital and pay-therapists?
Huge. Absolutely humongous.
Class plays a HUGE part in finding YOUR therapist.
Took me 20 years.
What do you mean by class? Financially upper class?
@@khansazainab7490 Deffinitely that. While in the upper classes you can still find abusive therapists, it's way easier to find therapists ranging in 50-200$ per visit (or those from public health care, they will just do anything to kick you out...). If you don't earn enough to afford upper class therapists, and be able to check out 10 of them 6 test sessions each, you're better off trying to help yorself on your own. Scammers can only make things worse.
I wish I experienced the type of benefits that others say they had in it.
talking therapies never worked for me, because therapists are so predictable and 2 dimensional
No matter your professional training level if you don't really possess honesty on a human level, and Empathy you will never ever be a good therapist !
Amen
I have had cognitive behavioral therapy since I was nine, and it helps me so much. I have also started dialectal behavioral therapy which also helps. Though I must say that it helps if your therapist doesn't intimidat you and that you trust them.
Here watching in my first week of my Master's program in Clinical Mental Health Counseling! Was so excited to see Hank pop up in my class assignment list - my teacher is onto something!
So far, I haven't had a single positive experience with therapy. I think some people might improve with therapy (mostly those who need to express some dark feelings) but those who need help and don't have trouble expressing their feelings are only going to receive paid gaslighting.
Jesus that is so well put!
it was useless for me. wasted about 7 years of my life. finally left one week ago
Same here; waste of time and money.
Mini rant: People need to stop regurgitating the idea that seeing a therapist, literally any therapist is an instant “cure all”
Therapy can be helpful for some people sometimes
It’s just really dismissive and flippant to suggest that therapy is the only valid way to try to heal, or that it always works, and if it doesn’t work it’s because the individual isn’t actually doing therapy “the right way”
It’s really difficult to find a good therapist
Therapists don’t have all the answers all the time, they are human, and some of them have their own biases and can even do more harm to their clients than good
Self help books, podcasts, spirituality, life coaching, community support groups, those are valid attempts at healing too
Psychotherapy is socially acceptable prostitution. You buy mental intimacy. I find the idea of paying somebody for talking with me about my intimate feelings equally repulsive as I find paying a prostitute to have sex with.
Psychiatry and/or Psychotherapy is pure bunk. A flawed human talking to another flawed human being with problems/issues of their own. . . 😆
As a counselor, I really appreciate this. It’s real, and it covers so much of the issues and strengths about our field. I especially like how real the end but was about case by case basises with clients, the individual factors are so important.
u cant bs me with your therapy scam no damn way i have common sense its a shame how u rip people off and take advantage of them
Waste of money ..... there’s value in it but not for the prices they charge ..... they charge like a medical specialist when really let’s be honest it’s not a full blown science even though they use the scientific method in their studies
It's effective... when done by the right person.
You can't learn how to be a good shrink just by studying. the degree doesn't make the shrink.
Some things can only be learned through living, Like empathy, which is the most important thing for a shrink to have, even if s/he doesn't show it.
My assumption is that "Psychotherapy" works when someone has recognized a problem and needs someone to listen to them and provide external feedback to address the issue. I'm dubious that the "psycho" aspect of it has all that much to do with the success or failure.
True, you basically pay someone to listen to your thoughts and worries. The whole pseudoscientific terminology is just a ruse, the benefit is in the human interaction, not the methodology.
I agree that therapy can be helpful for some people, and not others. An old friend of mine who had chronic major depression and SAD and had intermittent hospitalizations benefited from a combo of medications and ongoing psychotherapy, including DBT and talk therapy. Meanwhile, the therapy I'm receiving is not effective because it is not fighting a solely biological or psychological issue (in my case, PTSD), but also very real physical circumstances that need practicable solutions, and no amount of mindfulness training helps with ongoing current trauma, chronic illness, poverty and the lack of ability and resources that come from limited means and choices. My friend was lucky enough to have a condition that was improved by managing her ruminative thoughts, and by having a loving family to help her financially so she could take time off of work, pay for her hospitalizations, and emotionally support her as she worked on herself, but not everyone has that situation.
I appreciate the role therapy plays in improving quality of life, to the point where I considered studying psychology when I was younger. Now that I'm older, I still value its impact and understand its use, but also know firsthand that there are other things it cannot help with, and it is not a cure-all for every problem a person has. I think considering how to provide services and resources for people is just as important and could go a long way in preventing people from getting to the point where their psychological and emotional health is compromised.
My family wanted me to go to a psychologist, becouse of depression. Basically just sat there and didn't know what to talk about. She said, it was alright to be silent. It went like this every time. I know the underlying message, is that no one can help me if i don't help myself. I was well aware of that before starting there. Depression is the lack of wanting anything. It was just pointless.
Therapy is very much a mixed bag. I've only had one good therapist, and then I moved over 3 hours away and couldn't see her anymore. I've seen several therapists, and finding a good one is very hard but well worth it. Or at least it was for me. I'm trying to find one that I really like, and it's definitely a process. While talking to friends and family can be a relief, they can mostly just offer support since many of them are struggling with mental illness and/or trauma as well, or they have extremely limited understanding of either. The latter are usually the ones who say I don't need therapy, but I find it very relieving to open up to a non-biased, experienced professional who is, in all except life- and safety-threatening cases, legally sworn to secrecy.
this dumb, with the same success, you can look for good friends or any other communication / occupation that will help you
𝐘𝐎𝐔'𝐑𝐄 𝐍𝐎𝐓 𝐏𝐔𝐓𝐓𝐈𝐍𝐆 𝐈𝐍 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐄𝐅𝐅𝐎𝐑𝐓
Please refrain from saying that. It's dismissal of people's pain despite their hardwork to get out of troubles they hadn't anticipated in the first place.
I only feel okay as long as _i pretend_ I'm okay. BTW, I'm talking 10 years; I am a fairly conscientious person. 𝐈𝐅 𝐈𝐓 𝐇𝐀𝐒𝐍'𝐓 𝐖𝐎𝐑𝐊𝐄𝐃 𝐅𝐎𝐑 𝐌𝐄 𝐈𝐌 𝐒𝐔𝐑𝐄 𝐈𝐓 𝐇𝐀𝐒'𝐍𝐓 𝐖𝐎𝐑𝐊𝐄𝐃 𝐅𝐎𝐑 𝐒𝐎𝐌𝐄 𝐌𝐎𝐑𝐄 𝐏𝐄𝐎𝐏𝐋𝐄.
What exactly is placebo psychotherapy?
complexwords It's when you feel like things are getting better because you're getting therapy, when in actual, they are same. It shows placebo effects.
i guess it's if the fact itself that you are "doing psychotherapy" makes you feel better, regardless of the actual quality of the session
No but like, how is any of that measured? Does that mean those people still did receive some sort of consultation, just not actual psychotherapy? I'm so confused.
complexwords sounds like a good opportunity to do some Google digging.
I guess in a controlled study, the control group would just hang out and talk to random dude who claims to be a therapist.
If I were in such a study, and somehow realized I was in the control group, I'd probably start making 5h!t up just for the hell of it, which would be a lot of fun, which would substantially improve my mood, which... Damn.
You should let your thoughts out and feels out but if talk to another person worsens you try writing/drawing them down Instead. It can have similar effects without the down cost of first opening up to a real person.
This morning I was thinking about the curriculum for a psychology degree. No neurobiology requirement, no nutrition requirement.
Therapy might have helped me if any of my therapists had helped me understand that the depression and anxiety were my brain trying to survive following an adverse event that threatened my safety and security. Especially given that we exist in an environment that brains have not evolved to handle. Instead I was told that my brain is broken, it’s my family’s fault, and none of the awful things people did to me over the years mattered.
Oh well, beer is is expensive and more fun. I finally learned not to care about longevity.
I will refer you to a mycologist that will serve as a guide in your fight against depression and anxiety,he will also hook you up with the drugs that are needed.
Pharmpsych4 is the handle.
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I’ve been searching for a true therapist for years. I lose time, forget major events like having been somewhere or met someone, get confused easily, have hypersomnia, etc. Instead, I keep finding counselors. It seems that counselors spend the majority of the session either as a cheerleader or confidant - neither of which is helpful at all. I’ve had many different diagnoses, from brain damage to dementia to depression to needing to be more social, to Narcolepsy, to being lonely, to being told that there is nothing wrong with me at all. I have yet to find a professional who is willing and able to review all of the data and figure out what is actually wrong, and then help me. So, I don’t have much faith in this whole area of medicine.
Tina Flintstone Talk therapy definitely isn't the appropriate treatment for that set of symptoms. How many neurologists have you seen? I'd want them to rule everything out, before trying psychiatrists (not psychologists or psychotherapists or psychoanalysts). I hope you have the money and energy to keep looking.
My sister went to therapy for years and it made her feel better by convincing her that nothing she did was her fault and that she didn't have to accept responsibility for any of her actions. Grat job, therapy!
That aint good
Yes it’s also how it worked. Us westerners are a collapsing reality, we are decaying because we are weak and incapable of embracing the hardness of reality
That’s not useful at all!
Was it really the therapy or was she always like that beforehand?
@@enteblu6799 please all knowing sir, enlightened me on your version of hard reality lol
Can you do a show about ACT (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy)? Thanks!
several years of CBT failed me, so there's a datapoint
Me, too. It was a waste of money and time.
Didnt work for me lol
What's worst is knowing your thoughts are evil but you still think about them and just insult yourself all day...
Around four times in a row, I never could complete any processes with my therapists. They often would end up getting pregnant and taking leave, and I'd never make a new appointment or get a call from them when they returned :/
So far, phychotherapy has worked for me. Figuring out what happened on a stressful situation has helped me to notice when it's happening again and it has given me the tools to change the outcome. Understanding my thought process has helped me to explain myself better to people. Talking about whatever is bothering me with someone who's first response is not "well, it's simple. All you have to do is..." calms me down enough to be able to find solutions that could actually work.
I know it doesn't work for everyone. But even if it's just a placebo, that placebo gives hope and time. I would've given up long time ago if it weren't for it.
In my experience and the experience of my friends and family psychotherapy helps.
But the effictivness strongly depends on the therapist and if it is in a hospital or not.
Therapy in psychiatries (at least in Germany) is often just a measure to get a diagnosis, because they don‘t have enough therapists because the training is really long and exclusive. But if done well, therapy can really help.
My main question is the pure purpose of psychotherapy. Is to treat? To cure? To augment the benefits of a healthy support system? To help a person tap into the ability they already have to cope? To educate? To give a safe space to express? Can we get the same benefits from a being connected to a loving community? Seems ambiguous.
WOW this is a TOUGH topic. I was reluctant to even watch this video. You guys did a fantastic job covering the complication of this this question. This is _exactly_ why I am happy to fund you through patreon. It is indeed sad when people don't benefit from talk therapy. And the reasons why are again, so complicated.
Is like religion. Do you fill it could help you? Then give it a try.
On the other hand going to Church could be cheaper.
Psychotherapy didn't work for me, personally. 1/3 therapists helped, but the other two, good lord. I was a child then and the sessions were basically just "Stop being selfish everything is wrong with you it's your fault". WELP. THAT HELPED. They threw drugs at me too when insulting me proved to be a useless course of action. The result? Behavioural problems continued, and I felt nauseous all the time from the medication.
I quit all therapy, medicinal and psycho, when I was around 14. I also was lucky enough to be able to attend a school at that time where teachers worked with the students instead of bullying them (like teachers at my previous school did). Not being told I'm trash all the time mysteriously improved my behaviour, how surprising! I was able to self-reflect on my own without having to go on the defensive against antagonistic therapists and teachers, and resolved my issues myself.
Linden Bree That’s not what you’re supposed to hear during a therapy session 😱Omg
@@ezelanne Heh, yeah, no kidding. Where I lived at that time, resources for therapy were lacking. One of the bad ones I got was an adult therapist, so maybe she didn't know how to handle a child. (Edit for clarity: A therapist, who was an adult, and trained to work with adults rather than with kids.) Still, it should be common sense not to victim blame the kid though, yeesh.
I still encourage people who have no luck improving on their own to seek therapy, but I'm incredibly dubious of medication to this day. In my opinion, the therapist should at least TRY a self-reflective and behavioural change approach before they go throwing drugs at people. You have no reason to go to therapy if all it took was a magic pill. Or... several, over and over, trying to force a change without teaching the patient how to change through their own will.
Short simple answer: NO!
After being through 6 therapists and one hospitalization, I'm here to say therapy MIGHT work, therapists usually don't. Drugs do
I’ll add that another reason 20-50% of people quit therapy is because a particular therapist isn’t a good fit. Personally, I went through 7 therapists before I found one that didn’t interject religiosity into the sessions.
Perhaps the comment section could be used to collect data for a study.
I feel like all the therapy I had could have been gotten for free down at a bus station. Just a waste. All a waste.
I have a question that I certainly will repeat if it is not answered by somebody. What is the neurology of confusion? I have searched youtube and google scholar and even Wikipedia and found nothing that talks about the specifics about what occurs when people are confused even on a psychological level.
What is Confusion and why does it happen?
This is not at all scientific of a comment, completely subjective as it is personal, but I my experience, it strongly depends on the therapist, their personality, and how well you can connect with them. With my first two therapists, I couldn't really open up much based on how I was at the time, but, mostly, how I connected with them. But with my most recent therapist, i was able to open up much more just based on personality, and it helped a lot with my struggle with depression.
Therapy is not effective.
Psychotherapy works....to a degree....personally, I’ve kept those “coping mechanisms” and I still use them however it depends on who you have as a therapist because all of them were terrible, didn’t help, they harassed me and they broke my confidentiality agreement even though I wasn’t a risk to myself or others. It got to the point where I would lie and say I’m fine just so they can dismiss me
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Ya, I've had mixed results with therapy. For my mood disorder it helped, not as much as medication, but it helped. For my chronic pain? Nah, it all came off as condescending and demeaning.
no
It makes me very cautious that there're no books for laypeople explaining what exactly goes into psychotherapy. I've seen books about cognitive therapy or other methods and those are very enlightening, but why there are no books that would explain how exactly certain general experience or biological tendencies translate to lasting impact on a human mind? We all face more or less the same problems and challenges and imho the knowledge of how actually human mind works should be taught as a part of school curriculum. I can't imagine calling myself an intelligent person and not trying to answer these kinds of questions. My impression is that the information is not easily available and one must put too much effort to learn about all known cognitive biases and tendencies including stuff like similar impacts of trauma or certain experiences.
Cognitive behavioural therapy didnt work for my anxiety because apparently im too aware of the intent of the therapist and my brain naturally counters it.
This is exactly why therapists should encourage their patients to ask for a referral to another therapist if they're just not right fot the patient. If the patient doesn't feel comfortable and able to talk to their therapist, their treatment won't be effective and they will probably drop out. It is simply better to try another therapist than it is stopping therapy completely.
Anecdotal evidence: CBT worked for my multiple anxiety disorders. It was hard to start, but it was life changing.
Anxiety disorders are the most trivial to treat conditions. Usually the anxiety is completely irrational and the affected person is actually already aware of that. Not to mention that anxiety disorders respond greatly to simplest behaviorist re-conditioning processes.
They are banal and not complex or difficult to treat at all.
I had therapists that didnt work for me and then I had therapists that could talk to me the way I needed and it worked great. I made a lot of progress last year
The main take away for me is this isn’t a meritocracy, in fact it’s an anti-meritocracy, many who go into the mental health field are chasing clout/money/utility or are romanticizing their own lives aka living vicariously through their occupation, this is especially common among clinical social workers but pysch/social-psych aswell. Scishow also did a video on the “replication crisis(retesting)” in research, publication bias, research funding allocation inequities( Koch bros sat on FSU’s psych tenure board and the history/political science department by example in Tallahassee), using WEIRD( western educated industrial rich democratic) participants to try inferring universal thruths, not to mention the WEIRD acronym is basically meaningless nowadays. Western what does that even mean in a globally connected world are Albanians or Bosnian eastern by example or western, mostly Islamic but white, what about Uruguayans who are mostly white. Educated, have you talked to your average American now a days. Industrial sure. Rich, the wealth inequailty in America is now greater than pre-fall Rome aka Satyricon. Democratic…. We had a terrorist attack on the Capitol Building Jan. 6th 2020, they got away with it, Susan Collins first reaction was to speculate it was Iran though( didnt we kill one of their generals for no reason, maybe Freud was right about projection). Marx said the hegemony recreates itself even in academia. John Oliver just did an episode on Mental Health recently, 84.5% or mental health professionals are white in the US…. How is that possible? Again this isn’t a meritocracy, in who gets to conduct research, practice, or has the eceonomic means to get therapy. Rome 2.0 is crashing, im laughing if I wasnt stuck in it!
So much has to align right in order for this type of relationship to work. It's a bit of a gamble and an expensive one at that. At the end of the day, though, the goal of the therapist should be to teach you not to need a therapist but so many therapists seem too interested in getting you booked for the next session. Some therapists probably thrive on the codependent nature of the process. From my experience meditation, exercise and a copious amount of reading have been essential to my improved mental health journey. Getting out of your head and taking action are also essential.
Psychotherapy make me feeling 100% more sick. Therapist want to change the way you think and become more awareness. This led to many issuss. It made me become over sharing and asking question because i want to become more aware. Yes talking to people are but ONLY talking to people it doesnt make much of difference.Often time the therapists get defensives when i keep saying therapy dont seem to help me much. Long long story. I honestly therapy isnt good and it is a way of controlling peoplen
I have had a couple of therapists, as well as my husband. We've each had some that were good, a few that were great, and the occasional %$@# that gives therapy a bad name. I currently wish I could find a therapist that I could text and email and possibly chat with online. I just started a new job and I have almost no time to spend on regular appointments. :/
Therapy is too damn expensive in the United States. Most don't accept state medical insurance in WA, but charge like $200 an hour. Makes me wonder, are they trying to heal people, or get rich? And if the latter, why didn't they become a regular doctor?
It's €50 an hour in Ireland, but student counsellors charge €15 or are free, and if you get a referral from your GP you can have six sessions for free, but there is a waiting list for that. I didn't know it was so expensive in the US. It's a wonder anyone can afford it. I assume that is with a psychiatrist (medical doctor specialising in mental health) ? Are counsellors not considerably cheaper?
While therapists do tend to earn a lot of money in the USA, remember they have expenses too. It's $200/hour revenue, not $200/hour profit.
@@therabbithat Therapists and counsellors do the same thing.
@Darth Nihilus Have you ever rented commercial space? It's expensive.
So is the 6-8 years it takes to become a therapist.
So is the fact that therapists don't get paid for every hour they work. In fact, a quick look says a typical therapist has 20-25 billable hours in a typical work week.
That means $4000-5000/week income. That's $200-250k/year in revenue. Take out taxes. Take out insurance, and benefits, lease, etc. Median therapist salary in the USA is $70-80k, which is perfectly reasonable.
Now if only you could have scraped together enough to afford enough education to not be a blustering imbecile.
The issue with therapy is environment . If a kid is being abused in some way and is taken to therapy, unless the abuse stops, the issue will persist.
If an adult can’t cope with the modern world, unless the modern world stops, the symptoms persist. You can’t just change someone’s ingrained world view over a few sessions or even years of sessions. You have to find some kind of reason to continue through the chaos.
How about EMDR... It seems heavily confirmation biased... If it works by simulating REM.. then why don't we do fMRI's on someone in REM and then under EMDR... this basic, yet potentially illuminating test, seems conspicuously absent... I don't think all therapy necessarily needs to be evidence based, but it seems strange when one trumpets being evidence based yet does not include investigation of the mechanism.
Psychotherapy ruined my twenties and thirties and aggravated my depression. It left terrible aftermath.
I've been seeing a psychiatrist and a psychologist for months now myself, and I very frequenlty have thoughts that what they do doesn't help at all. I have an appointment today and I'm tempted to just not go.
Therapy works if YOU want it to. Yes you need the right therapists but they don’t do the work for you. People I know that didn’t do well in therapy seemed to have the wrong idea about what it actually is.
No it doesn't. Just wanting help doesn't change the result.
So the answer is yes, more often than not.
(this comment is biased!)
Placebo therapy works because someone listens to you, and that's what we need. Don't pay 50 / 100 an hour to someone for that, find a good listener, or a student counsellor who will charge a fraction of the cost