That part of David's story is downplayed HARD compared to the rest of this life. Just saying. The version I learned was essentially "whoops he done goofed lol" as we spent not even 15 minutes on it. The story of him vs Goliath was several classes long.
Bang on. I’m a Christian, this has been taught in my church plenty of times. That’s the point of the story, he committed murder and adultery but he repented but it had ramifications that went through his genealogy just like God told him. Because of that transgression one of his sons raped one of his daughters to another wife and then his own son Absolom rose up to rebel and try and take his kingdom.
The Bible does not condone slavery. What is termed slavery in the Old Testament is indebted servitude and on the year of Jubilee they were all set free unless they chose to remain. It was a way of paying debts that couldn’t otherwise be paid.
Yep. Then you have Solomon who was the wisest man to date. He did many great things including building the temple. Despite his wisdom, however, he was persuaded by his wife to worship idols. The Old Testament is a series of lessons and failures. The failures lead to the flood and eventually the Savior. Everyone will know, one way or another.
If you are really nerdy that David story is a replaying of the garden of Eden pay attention to the words used. "David SAW, David Took, David hid... etc etc..." but if you are interested in stuff like that go deep in the meaning of the stories I highly recommend the bible project podcasts. They uncover the bible in a way that makes sense when you sit to think about it.
@@adamryerson2974 The proverb ‘A little knowledge is a dangerous thing’ expresses the idea that a small amount of knowledge can mislead people into thinking that they are more expert than they really are, which can lead to mistakes being made.
Listen... Upon character based philosophical and ethical deconstruction, the ONLY conclusion that you can come to is that the bible is SO GROSSLY morally and ethically inconsistent that in truth (and I know this is difficult to hear), it doesn't deserve the moral pedestal that's often thrust upon it... The bible's moral spectrum ranges from murderous baby killing genocide to societal pacifism and everything else in between... You can't depend on that in our modern age without cherry picking scripture to suit YOUR ideals... If both a genocidal maniac and pacifist can use scripture to validate their point of views with so called "Godly approval" then it tells you everything you need to know... The bible is ethically inconsistent and anachronistic, that's a FACT not an opinion... Which is the subtext of the conversation.
Thank you. I thought that maybe she was making a joke about this or something. I have probably forgotten a lot of the things I knew when I was a bible classes goer (as a kid) but even I remember King David’s story and the stories surrounding Jacob and his near descendants. 😂
Was going to say we teach this regularly. I mean it's a great story. It teaches even the greatest person of God can fall and give in to temptation ruining all of the good works and deeds they made.
Yeah, it's not a secret.It's in the "book of truth" that nobody reads. She didn't say That it was a secret. She said nobody knows about it because nobody reads it.... Because other people just tell them what are supposed to think about it.
extremely edited revision of borrowed stories, good news it's about to edited again to remove the jews killing Jesus and any negative remarks towards jews or things that paint jews in a bad light. identify who you are not allowed to criticize and that's who rules you. cowards.
It's not history 😂it has some history with mythical stories. God isn't real. Maybe you should educate yourself on evolution, the science of human biology, astrology. There's a reason why the majority of scientists are atheists, because they understand the basics of how things work
The fact that the imperfections of the people of God are on full display throughout the Bible is one of the most compelling things about it. Clearly not hiding anything.
✝️🙌 So true! I think it's about loyalty in the end. Living the Christian life has never been easy, but knowing who you serve is. Both of those Old Testament examples were under a different dispensation predating Christ of course. But still, imperfect people through the ages, trying to walk the walk and serve God is what it's all about.
Exactly, it's not just a rule book. It's an exploration of good and evil. Hero's in it sometimes do bad things. Thief and criminals in it sometimes do good things.
@@Prestonsworld202@Prestonsworld202 Dude, stop trippin'. I don't know if she has reread the Bible since age 8. I just know that 8-year-olds aren't smart enough to understand it.
The Bible says people push the truth away because they love their sin too much. It also says, "The fool has said in his heart, ‘There is no God.'" Deep down, people know there is a God, but they also know to acknowledge God would mean there would be moral accountability. People don't want that.
Absolutely because we all have a measure of faith that can move mountains. We're having the breath of God inside me like he does. Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Or it could be that the facts and the evidence isn’t sufficient enough to prove the existence of god and that its really not that evil to do very natural human things (provided nobody gets hurt)
I can't believe we're still debating the validity of some parts of the Bible. See that's the problem. The bible has moments of historically accurate stories. But when the authors tell me these are gods words I gotta laugh. Do you guys really think God was ok with slaves? Do you think God really explained how to justify you owning humans? How about this. Show me something in the bible that exceeds the knowledge of the people when it was written. I'll wait
Here’s another interesting and violent Bible story for the comment section. There was a leader of the Canaanite army named Sisera. He and his soldiers were fighting against the Israelites under a leader named Barak. Sisera’s army fell and all of them were killed, but Sisera himself ran away. A lady named Jael saw him outside her house and she told him to come inside, that she was a friend and would protect him. He went in with her and she gave him milk to drink and a blanket. He told her to watch the door, and if anyone came by, to say that she was alone in the house. She agreed to this and Sisera laid on the floor with the blanket and fell asleep. Jael then took a hammer and nail, while Sisera was asleep, and drove it through his temple and nailed his head to the floor of her house. She left him just like that, and eventually Barak came by, still hunting Sisera. Jael met Sisera outside and told him she had the man he was looking for, and led him to the dead Sisera, his head still spiked to the floor.
some big discrepancies in the telling of the story of Tamar. After Judah lost his second son. His last son wasn't given to Tamar for two reasons, one, he was too young and the second is because Judah was afraid he might loose his last son. So he didn't promise Tamar that she will be the wife of his last son for these two reasons and not the one reason mentioned in the video. Tamar went back to her home as instructed by Judah, again that is all that Judah does, he instructs her to go and wait at her fathers house. Tamar while at her fathers home wore cloths that is synonyms for someone who is a widow and grieving. She finds out that Judah is coming to where her fathers home is because he wants to sheer his sheep, upon hearing this Tamar has a plan. She knows that she isn't pledged to Judah's last son and she wants to take it upon herself to get pregnant. So she takes for cloths that are meant for grieving and switches them for cloths that is synonyms for a prostitute at that time. Main point here is that she is wearing a head veil and as such no one can see her face. Judah walks into this town/village and sees this prostitute who is wearing a veil and he asks to sleep with her. This is where the video goes off the rails. She asks Judah what she will get in return for sleeping with him and she knows that this is her father in law and he doesn't know who she is. He says he will give her one of his sheep in his village/camp. Judah isn't at his camp/village, so this is supposed to be a promise for future payment. She asks him for a guarantee for this payment. He asks what she wants and she says she wants a seal with his cord and his staff. He agrees and he sleeps with her. Judah didn't sleep with her and not have payment, they discussed how Judah will pay her and she played him in this part of the story. Tamar isn't this poor innocent person and neither is Judah. So she goes back to her fathers home and switches into her cloths meant for grieving. Judah returns to his camp and sends a friend to pay her but he cannot find her and he returns to Judah and tells him that she cannot be found. He is embarrassed that she has his seal and staff. But he makes peace with the idea that she has stolen it. We all now know that this was Tamar's plan, she didn't want a sheep, she was playing Judah and got proof of the person she slept with. The video made it sound like Tamar became a prostitute because she wanted to make a living. This isn't true, she wanted to get pregnant from sleeping with her father-in-law. Plain and simple. She got pregnant and Judah is told that Tamar is found to be pregnant and the assertion is that she prostituted herself. Judah wants her killed but before she is killed she sends him his staff and seal. Tamar honey potted Judah and got what she felt she deserved. Moral of the story. Men need to keep it in their pants coz women who are just selling sex cannot be trusted. The other moral of the story is do what is right, Judah in his fear doesn't give assurances to Tamar that she will be married off, so when he didn't do that the rest of the story played out as it did. Judah is also the same guy who earlier discouraged his brothers from killing Joseph but instead mentioned to have him sold. Joseph lived and as per what is said in the bible he became the second highest in Egypt and also saved Egypt and his family from starvation. So Judah is seen as someone who loved his family when the rest of them were okay with killing one of them. He isn't perfect but neither is Tamar and all of them played their role.
Well put , also by God's providence Tamar gives Birth to Twins, Perez and Zerah, which from Judas line Comes King David, and ultimately our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, God is Sovereign over all, as Joseph said to his Brother's you meant it for evil but God meant it for good
im confused. Did Tamar had sex with her Father in law or played like she did??? And y he didn't go see Tamar back at her father house after he had sex with the "prosistute"( or he didnt)🤷
Also, it was Judah's duty as the patriarch to ensure his oldest son's lineage continued because he didn't have children before he died. That's why Tamar married his next son. But their first child would've been counted as the oldest son's to ensure his lineage continued. The brother didn't like that and refused to get her pregnant and the Lord killed him. Thus the duty of continuing the Judah's oldest son's lineage fell to his youngest son. This also was the custom so that that the Tamar would be provided for. Most marriages were arranged anyways back then so this wasn't that strange. After Judah's youngest son became of age Judah shirked his duty to both provide for Tamar and ensure his eldest son's lineage out of fear that the Lord would kill that son too. (The Lord struck down his oldest son because he was wicked). What Tamar did was take it apon herself to both provide for herself and ensure her first husband's lineage. So, Tamar and Judah both sinned by fornicating but she did it for somewhat honorable reasons to pick up Judah's slack. So when Judah went to lead the stoning of her for prostituting (with him) she showed that he was lacking in his duties and morals and was more righteous than he.
@@loganwallace5854 a bit mistaken here. His youngest son wasn't of age at any point in this story. Tamar assumed that Jacob wasn't going to allow his youngest to be married to her. This was her reasoning for deceiving Jacob. They were both in the wrong but Jacob says that she was more righteous than him. So the assumption here is that Jacob knew he didn't betroth his youngest son to Tamar as he was afraid he too will be killed. But they both are wrong for what they did. Who knows if Tamar even cared for any of Jacob's children. If she was married to one of them is all she wanted. Key part here is that Jacob's youngest son wasn't of age to get married throughout the story but it is revealed that Jacob's only reason was probably that he was afraid his son would be killed for the same reasons.
@@TheFergo911 When Judah met Tamar and thought she was a prostitute, she saw that the youngest son was grown and wasn't given to her to marry as Judah had promised her. She had her grieving veil own and he came and asked to sleep with her. He acknowledged that he reneged on his promise to to her.
Actually, most churches do not shy away from those stories, at all, especially the story of David and Uriah. That's why religious folk will name their kids Uriah, and they become MMA fighters.
Michelle starts by saying these stories have historical context. Proceeds to not include any of the cultural or historical context for the stories. JOE PLEASE HAVE SOMEONE ON TH E SHOW WHO ACTUALLY CAN PROVIDE CONTEXT AND UNDERSTANDS THESE EVENTS/STORIES TOLD IN THE SCRIPTURES
@@victorbennett5414 no one at any age is capable. Especially without a 160+ IQ. Period. 99% of the population will never be able to fully unpack a single sentence of scripture if they spent their entire lives on it.
I am an Arab and a Muslim and I can't deconstruct Quran or explain it you.. Simply because the Arabic used in the Quran is of a very high level.. Kinda like Shakespearean English.. Even though Americans and British read and right English doesn't give the the necessary knowledge to understand or explain Shakespeares works... Similarly, the "Ulama" or Muslim scholars have to go through alot and all of them are a Hafiz meaning fully memorised the Quran and whole bunch of hadiths... Hope that answers your question...
@@truelies5431You missed his point. He's saying people aren't allowed to question the stories in the Quran, and if Joe and this woman sat around, smoking cigars, saying how ridiculous some stories are in the Quran like they do in the Bible, Muslims would be outraged. Have you not noticed how it's perfectly acceptable to openly question & mock the Christian faith, but not any other religions?
@@cdburner2548 thank you for taking time to reply... But yes I do get his point and explained why you shouldn't be doing that and why it is considered disrespectful to the people who actually put in all the work and effort.. Ask any Muslim people what they do to get their questions about quran or religion answered.. And that's how we do it... If you guys disrespect your own traditions... That's in you... We Muslims still have to respect Jesus and his followers.. And still disrespecting your belief doesn't give you the right to do the same to others
One of the most frightening stories is the story of Job. The Devil has a meeting with God, and God declares Job without fault, and sinless, the devil says “let me take his health away, his family, and all his belongings, and he will curse you then” This story is a sorta microcosm of my life story I lost everyone I truly loved : my wife to another man, my father (he was my best friend) to murder My 2 best friends, and the love of life, fiancé, to suicide. Job ends up suffering beyond belief physically also (soars head to foot, insomnia) Job ends up in the end getting a lesson from God, which is very interesting to read, and having an even larger family and an even happier and extended life, that has not happened to me yet and it probably won’t
It hasn’t happened to you yet and it probably we’ll never but you know what is a man with everything in the world he’s just a man nothing special about him.
I've noticed when things promised to me by "G-D" and I'm talking about rewarding things was because my pride was getting in the way. In the end I found out that puffing up my pride was my reward to myself for myself. I should have remain faithful and kept things hush till I noticed the marvelous gifts for my deeds and faith and that alone would be my testament or like the say + the obvious would speak louder about my faith than me puffing it up with words. Sorry if it sounded distorted but tried my best to speak of my own experiences and lessons without getting too serious about my self. Little s self.
I grew up in church and the only stories that weren't taught were 2 in i think Judges. The first is were a crowd demanded that a stranger in town be given to them so they could rape him, but the man hosting the stranger instead gave them his female servant. So they beat and gang raped the girl and afterwards, she crawls back to her masters house and dies outside his front door. If i remember right, this starts a big conflict where cities go to war with one another. The second is when a man prays to God for victory in battle and promises to sacrifice the first thing that approaches him when he gets home. So after the fight his daughter who is his only child is the first to approach him. He then lets his daughter go and grieve her virginity on a mountain with her friends for a time, and when she returns he sacrifices her.
That first one is essentially a representation of the historicity of God separating himself from Israel. The woman being raped by strangers and then murdered by her master (literally dismembered and her parts sent across all of Israel) is one of the strongest examples of how far the culture had fallen at the time, "that such a thing could happen here" is basically what everyone's response was, which is why conflict arose from it. The heaviest aspect of it being that the woman's master had become so callous that he didn't just let her die on his doorstep, he disrespected her corpse and let everyone else know about it. It was one of the ultimate examples of the fall from grace at that time in the nation's history.
I was expecting the story of Jepthah's daughter as well. I think that is one of the most terrifying stories in the Bible. What an ignorant deal to make!
@@jeremiahnoar7504 🤣 that's awesome. I totally agree. Sunday school stuff. I wonder why It was so weird to talk about like it couldn't be talked about. It's definitely talked about. This is a cake walk compared to some other biblical stories I've done sermons on.
In the old testament it was Judah the son Jacob and the son begins the line of King David. Another element of this line is Lot who had Moab through incest with his daughter. Ruth is a direct descendant and King David is a direct descendant of Ruth.
she asks Joe if he's read the whole Bible. He says yes, but later admits no. Most people are like this. They've read 1% but will lie to you and say they've read 100%. Unlike Joe, most of the people I talk to will dig in and defend the lie. What good does that do? You want to retain your ideas not based in reality? (1) Read the whole thing for yourself. Not that hard. Sure, it's a long work, but not that long. Or (2) trust me when I tell you where you're wrong. Don't like that? See (1).
I know, what's with the both of them? Joe acts like he was forced to learn about Christianity in school. In the 70's in Florida? huh? He must have gone to a Christian private school. If that were the case, an opportunity most kids didn't have; and it appears none of it stuck.
@@michaelrobertson1736 There is no universal experience of “westerners” when it comes to these things. If you are trying to say Americans then just say it.
It had a nice ending too, because the ghost got to move on to the afterlife. She was brutally murdered and a priest helped find her killer. He ended up giving the money she left behind to the church, at her request. Some ghosts just want someone to listen to them.
Thank you this is the comment I was looking for. I couldn't remember the name of that book.I remember when I was in elementary school that picture scared the crap out of me.
Why would the Old Testament authors include such embarrassing details with no “happy endings” in each book? It describes the constant failures and sin from Israel’s leaders, to prove the point that no man can conquer sin, we all need a savior. The Bible states this from the very beginning with Adam’s fall followed by God foreshadowing the need for a new Adam (Jesus) as God promised in Genesis 3 someone from Eve’s offspring would conquer the serpent and redeem mankind. All of it points to Christ.
What is left out is what the Lord did to punish David for this evil act. Part of the greater story here in my opinion is. No matter the blessings the Lord God may grant and give you as well as your importance in the God's plan. We are all human and sinners capable or good and evil. No matter how important to God plan you are or are not, we all fall short of what it takes to get into Heaven. God knows this and this is why he sent Jesus to die for our sins, so that we can experience and fill the Kingdom of Heaven.
what is spoken here is true. the Creator of the universe loves you and wants a personal friendship and bond. you don't have to stop doing anything or try to clean your life up first. Jesus wants you as you are now. he will lead you down the path and you will be changed by his Holy Spirit. when you feel the pull on your heart answer the call. whosoever will can come freely.
@@vaughnreedjr6592 You clearly have zero idea what you are talking about. Nor have you read the Bible or understand the Bible. I would highly encourage you to do that
@@mmartista3803 tell us more about how babies getting cancer are evil and get what they deserve or how millions dying in earthquakes, tornadoes and volcanoes deserved it. You're a phychos for believing that..
I’m sorry this woman was brought up around a bunch of people that couldn’t help her understand the stories of the Bible. I’m 50 and have just recently became a Christian. I’ve heard of both of these stories because I’ve actually read the Bible. I enjoy hearing different people have different perspectives on the same story. It’s what makes us interesting as humans.
Not true the Bible clearly condones slavery as a perfect moral practice . In clearly describes it as slavery in Exodus 21 and gives rules and conditions on how Jews can own slaves and how they can own fellow Jews as slaves by driving a spike through their ear to mark them as property . Also In Leviticus God says "if a man lay with a man like he lay with a women he shall be put to death and his blood is on his own hands " Clear as day !! Also to stone to death unruly children and women who cheat on their husbands . The Bible condoning murder and sitting it's own laws in place that it Deems morally acceptable . The term they use is slavery so Christian apologist have a hard time getting around it . Also it doesn't explain after God delivered mosses to the supposed promise land he then orders Moses and the Jews to slaughter the amolokites and amedenites and to take the women and children for themselves as slaves and to capture and take what's their and go to war with the neighboring nations around them .
If these stories were from random scrolls found in Egypt, Joe would be marveling at how Humans were just as crazy back then as we are today.. but since they came from the Bible, he acts like we have to be careful when reading them 😂
@@jeremyhodges7956the Bible isn’t from random scrolls, it’s literally diaries of people who met Jesus or were directly contracted by God. They aren’t random scrolls just found laying around😂, you’re an idiot.
They always are in shock & dismay over It condoning slavery (BONDSERVANTS paying a debt owed to people with their service & were freed after 7 years unless they chose to stay as a beloved part of that family) leaving out how God disapproves of harsh evil American slavery.
The fact that these stories are still in the Bible, speaks of its honesty. And if it’s honest in the foul sounding aspects, why shouldn’t be honest in the good aspects?
The story of David and Bathsheba was taught on frequently and preached on often enough by our pastor when i was growing up. Christians know these stories very well.
Plus there is a Richard Gere film about it (underwhelming by the way), and a Leonard Cohen song covered by numerous people including in a Simon Cowell show...
No, it isn't weird, and I CAN explain why--you are imposing your cultural view of smoking as "bad" or "rebellious" onto the situation. What if they were drinking alcohol while discussing the Bible? What if it was beer? Whiskey? How about wine? Is wine better, since the Bible discusses wine more often, or do you associate religion with "lack of alcohol"? The Bible doesn't forbid smoking or drinking. It permits drinking and forbids alcoholism (or excessive drunkenness). Smoking is not mentioned.
That story is about Judah, the son of Jacob who became known as Israel. Rehab and Ruth are also in the line of Christ. There IS a message in that, at least, I have found one for me.
When david prayed after this he begged god not to lose the lord's favor, even if he lost everything else for his sin. Thats how the story ends. Saul asked to not lose his kingdom and power; david asked not to lose the lord's favor. A man after the lord's heart. The story is to teach us not to fall into adultery and lies. And it is always a serious problem if you end up mixed up in that stuff
There is a reason why seminary students (at least in most evangelical seminaries) are required to study Hebrew, ancient cultures, language forms, etc. There is a cultural context that must be understood. And these things are not hidden from anyone; are commonly discussed in most churches, and if someone hasn't heard them, then one ought to question what sort of church you have been attending.
The first time I went to Sunday School was when I was visiting relatives for a wedding. The story for that Sunday? Abraham being commanded by God to make a human sacrifice of his son Isaac.
@@justonetime112 Now I know it was a test for the great patriarch but back then I took it as a brutal bronze age story, even when the angel stopped him.
They are talking about these stories from the Bible like they are trying to make fun of or make the Bible look bad. God hates sin. These stories are in the Bible because they really happened and the Lord is trying to teach us lessons from other peoples mistakes. Just because it’s in the Bible doesn’t mean that God condones this bad behavior. They are historical facts that teach.
They're simply chatting in a relaxed atmosphere. I just don't get why Christians have to turn everything into a drama & then suggest we need lessons in life from this singular view point.
The story of Batsheba and the murder of Uriah is interesting in that the plot is high-level and very secretive, only a handful of people know (David, Batsheba and Joab, the commander of the army, who put Uriah on the frontlines to die) yet once the conspiracy is masterfully wrapped and swept under the carpet; God through His prophet Nathan unwrapped it to expose David's sin. It's actually a wonder that the story was written (humiliating scandal for an otherwise a famous king), made it into the bible and got read by ancient Israelites and us. It's a dark story but so many lessons can be learned from it, and the biggest point IMO is God is always watching and knows your darkest secrets.
When she was young the most popular Bible was -without question- the king James Version. For an 8 year old to read the KJV cover-to-cover would be akin to a 3rd grader reading Shakespeare's collected works. (Wordy, complex, rich and archane vocabulary, etc). The vast majority of people who claim to have read the entire Bible are doing so out of defensiveness.
The story of Bathsheba is pretty well known for anyone who has spent enough time in church. It's a lesson teaching that even the beloved King David can fall to sin, and he was punished accordingly.
What's funny to me though is that was probably the pg version of the other stuff that happened. Debauchery and dismemberment are just a few of the Things that occur in the bible that most people don't know about
@@CerealDust-nStuff I'll give you the simplest example that you're wrong. The names 'Joshua' and 'Jesus' are both bad translations of the Hebrew name 'Yeshua'. Look it up, genius.
@@Dirtybird51077 so you're acknowledging that English language bibles have at least one major translation error, as one of the main characters has the wrong name. That's the tip of the iceberg.
Important part of King David's story is that he really was caught up. He was out of place not where he was supposed to be. His men were fighting in his name but he was posted up in the rear. The prophet told David a story about two neighbors. The story made King David burn with anger to the point that King David said this neighbor must die. The moment King David realized he was the villain in the story he repented and Yahweh could feel his hurt and repentance. As a result he lost that child he tried to cover and his house was cursed. "THE SWORD WILL REMAIN IN YOUR HOUSE" They are fighting today as you read this.
Nathan calls David out for this behavior .... she has no idea what she is talking bout ... the Bible doesn't hide the flaws of its heroes ... this woman has no idea what she is talking bout
Like Almighty God doesn't have the ability to preserve his Word.😅 He can speak the Universe into existence but can't preserve his Holy word through time, ofcourse God can 100% do this.
She explained perfectly well why it contradicts itself. Humans have rewritten the Bible to fit their desires. Chances are you read a Bible that is full rewrites
The thumbnail photo from the 90s children’s book, “scary stories to tell in the dark”. Some of the coolest and evil looking artwork ever. The 90s ruled.
@@karenmunoz969 Yes the story of Lot and his daughters plainly shows what can happen when u go against the will of God and drink urself into oblivion. The angels sent to save Lot and his family "escape to the hills, lest u b swept away." Gen. 19:18. But Lot wanted to go to a near by small city, Gen.19:20. He didn't want to go where God was leading him. When we chose to do what WE want instead of following what is plainly God's will for is the result is disgusting.
@keithdavis7595 your God claims he never commanded the Israelites to sacrifice their children.... yet child sacrifice is a commandment in exodus 22 to 29, 30 and he favours people for burning children alive multiple times
@@keithdavis7595 as predicted... your gods chosen people are removing my replies. You're not allowed to talk about the bible now... that's how desperate they are
Show us all in the Bible where that is written. There is no mention of anyone named lilith anywhere. It's made up false doctrine to take focus away from satan beguiling Eve in the garden. That is the biggest lie ever told about the Word of God next to the rapture.
The Bible can be rough because it has a lot of beautiful things to say but also stories that are not for the faint of heart. I remember setting out to read the whole Bible when I was 18 and I think I stopped a couple of books into it. The Old Testament is brutal. I ended up doing it again and actually finishing it. Proverbs, Psalms, Job, Ecclesiastes, all beautiful books with great wisdom and knowledge. I still struggle with faith and religion to this day. Show me a picture of an orangutan and I can’t help but see a distant relative. This life is very weird when you get into a deep thought about it lol anyways, hope y’all have a good day!
David and Bathsheba was literally the first Bible lesson I had when I was a child. Factually, she recounted the events correctly. It is taught prominently in all denominations. It’s definitely in the “top 10-20” Bible stories. It means so many things about redemption and forgiveness and tragedy and death. Jordan Peterson could give a 4 hour lecture just on this story. And he wouldn’t scratch the surface.
David is unethical in the Bible while he's very ethical and a great messenger of god in tbe quran. Its interesting that Christians view God's messengers as character books.
@@ThursoBerwick Hahaha thats a great argument from Christians but I'm not sure about how you view mohamed then. Because Christians view him as an unethical villian. Or would you relate to that? Hahahahaha, nobody sane is a follower of supposed to be 'righteous' men if they aren't actually good.
It’s wild how Joe will doubtfully question every word a Christian says calling him to believe in Jesus, but when a non-believer wants to criticize the Bible he takes it point blank without questioning their motive.
Anyone who says that the bible contradicts itself, DOES NOT understand the text as it was intended. Context is the most important part of the bible. They thought differently then, than we do now. David was never supposed to be a savior. Just a king. Not THE King. Sounds like she read the important parts, then interpreted them to mean something different. David is a sinner just like all of us. God didnt have to divulge what David did. He did it because he is an honest and Holy God. This lady is off her athiest rocker.
@@user-wf2rg5gl9hwhere did he ever accuse any one of having screws loose? You don't have to believe the bible is true to understand the point he is making. The bible isn't just one book, it is a collection of 66 books written over about 1500 years, where the most recent book was written almost 2000 years ago. It is the oldest historical text in existence. 2000-3500 years ago is a whole different universe of context and if you just read it as is, without trying to understand what was going on during that period in history, you are going to completely misunderstand what you are reading
it's incredible how ppl today with only youtube/tiktok viewings think they are now experts against 10,000 years of historicity, archaeology, and theological education.
She proceeds to tell people, "That's a story not a lot people hear," after telling King David's most infamous story.
I haven't read the bible yet I'm 29 I barely started ❤❤
That part of David's story is downplayed HARD compared to the rest of this life. Just saying.
The version I learned was essentially "whoops he done goofed lol" as we spent not even 15 minutes on it. The story of him vs Goliath was several classes long.
Bang on. I’m a Christian, this has been taught in my church plenty of times. That’s the point of the story, he committed murder and adultery but he repented but it had ramifications that went through his genealogy just like God told him. Because of that transgression one of his sons raped one of his daughters to another wife and then his own son Absolom rose up to rebel and try and take his kingdom.
The Bible does not condone slavery. What is termed slavery in the Old Testament is indebted servitude and on the year of Jubilee they were all set free unless they chose to remain. It was a way of paying debts that couldn’t otherwise be paid.
It's a worldwide podcast. Most people aren't Christian.
The David story tells the truth about giving into lust. It's brilliant and actually shows how it can wreck your life.
Yep. Then you have Solomon who was the wisest man to date. He did many great things including building the temple. Despite his wisdom, however, he was persuaded by his wife to worship idols. The Old Testament is a series of lessons and failures. The failures lead to the flood and eventually the Savior. Everyone will know, one way or another.
If you are really nerdy that David story is a replaying of the garden of Eden pay attention to the words used. "David SAW, David Took, David hid... etc etc..." but if you are interested in stuff like that go deep in the meaning of the stories I highly recommend the bible project podcasts. They uncover the bible in a way that makes sense when you sit to think about it.
@@lynlynb7139 Bible project. Thanks, will look into it. If nerdy means informed on the only important part of my existence then sign me up. 😁
I think it's a bit more serious than simply lust.
@@johnmichaelson9173 the seed was planted with lust
This is the perfect example of little knowledge is dangerous
Could you please elaborate? Legitimate question, I’m asking for knowledge not spite.
@@adamryerson2974 The proverb ‘A little knowledge is a dangerous thing’ expresses the idea that a small amount of knowledge can mislead people into thinking that they are more expert than they really are, which can lead to mistakes being made.
Oh you're going to try to make excuses for baby murder are you? Let's hear it then!
And excuses for slavery. Exodus chapter 21 in the book of lies
Listen... Upon character based philosophical and ethical deconstruction, the ONLY conclusion that you can come to is that the bible is SO GROSSLY morally and ethically inconsistent that in truth (and I know this is difficult to hear), it doesn't deserve the moral pedestal that's often thrust upon it... The bible's moral spectrum ranges from murderous baby killing genocide to societal pacifism and everything else in between... You can't depend on that in our modern age without cherry picking scripture to suit YOUR ideals... If both a genocidal maniac and pacifist can use scripture to validate their point of views with so called "Godly approval" then it tells you everything you need to know...
The bible is ethically inconsistent and anachronistic, that's a FACT not an opinion... Which is the subtext of the conversation.
The stories she told are literally some of the most well known in the entire Bible.
Thank you. I thought that maybe she was making a joke about this or something. I have probably forgotten a lot of the things I knew when I was a bible classes goer (as a kid) but even I remember King David’s story and the stories surrounding Jacob and his near descendants. 😂
I have never heard them ever so they are far from the most well know stories
To be fair. hardly any believer that actually read the Bible. They mostl;y hear the occasional feel good story told by a 3rd party,
Nope. I went to a Christian School K-12 and church 3X per week. These stories were NEVER told.
@@benmahon2764 You just said, "They aren't well known because I've never heard them!" XD
This is a commonly known story among actual Christians it’s to show how even the most mightiest men can fall to sin when they don’t follow God
God killed a baby, though?
Was going to say we teach this regularly. I mean it's a great story. It teaches even the greatest person of God can fall and give in to temptation ruining all of the good works and deeds they made.
@@adamkinne6467 exactly if you go to the right church’s can learn the whole Bible
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So is it true that God kills the baby?
That first story she mentions isn't a secret. There's an actual Veggie Tales episode about that episode.
I was gonna say, that story is Christianity 101. Basic example of lust
And yet it’s the Old Testament
Yeah, it's not a secret.It's in the "book of truth" that nobody reads. She didn't say That it was a secret. She said nobody knows about it because nobody reads it.... Because other people just tell them what are supposed to think about it.
And slanted.
Veggie Tales is a myth
The Bible isn't supposed to only tell of warm and fuzzy events. It's a record of history that tells of how God interacts with His people.
extremely edited revision of borrowed stories, good news it's about to edited again to remove the jews killing Jesus and any negative remarks towards jews or things that paint jews in a bad light.
identify who you are not allowed to criticize and that's who rules you.
cowards.
Exactly!
Are you stupid ? Because when you say stuff like that you sound stupid .
It's not history 😂it has some history with mythical stories. God isn't real. Maybe you should educate yourself on evolution, the science of human biology, astrology. There's a reason why the majority of scientists are atheists, because they understand the basics of how things work
God sacrificed himself, to himself, to save us from himself 🤦 right how logical
The fact that the imperfections of the people of God are on full display throughout the Bible is one of the most compelling things about it. Clearly not hiding anything.
Wow! Dont let the muslims here this argument! They will adapt it immediately.
I find it fascinating that in todays age we still have people worshipping imaginary sky fairy's. It's absolutely mental 😂😂
✝️🙌 So true! I think it's about loyalty in the end. Living the Christian life has never been easy, but knowing who you serve is. Both of those Old Testament examples were under a different dispensation predating Christ of course. But still, imperfect people through the ages, trying to walk the walk and serve God is what it's all about.
@@MikeEnforcer not imaginary sky fairy's... Yahuah the Mighty King of kings... we leave the fairy's for u
@hewhotrulybelieves yeah you imaginary sky daddy doesn't exist... Nice try though.... better luck next time
The Bible records things it does not condone.
Exactly, it's not just a rule book. It's an exploration of good and evil. Hero's in it sometimes do bad things. Thief and criminals in it sometimes do good things.
Much of the Bible is allegorical
Murder
So why use it as somewhere to get morality if it just records things and doesn’t condone them?
Much of the Bible is bullshit.
If she read the whole thing when she was 8, she probably understood less than 10% of it. Let's all just be honest.
She wanted to impress the audience with her voracious, intellectualism. 'I was a child prodigy in religious studies.' lol
She is on her high horse.
Right because she’s not a grown adult women speaking about it now right? She never read the book again after she was 8 right? Please stop it 😂
@@Prestonsworld202@Prestonsworld202 Dude, stop trippin'. I don't know if she has reread the Bible since age 8. I just know that 8-year-olds aren't smart enough to understand it.
A lot of folks been reading it their whole lives and still don’t understand it.
The Bible says people push the truth away because they love their sin too much. It also says, "The fool has said in his heart, ‘There is no God.'" Deep down, people know there is a God, but they also know to acknowledge God would mean there would be moral accountability. People don't want that.
Absolutely because we all have a measure of faith that can move mountains. We're having the breath of God inside me like he does.
Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
very well said brother @PeterBornAgain
Or it could be that the facts and the evidence isn’t sufficient enough to prove the existence of god and that its really not that evil to do very natural human things (provided nobody gets hurt)
@@nicholasforan9105there is no basis of morality without God. Why should it matter if someone gets hurt provided there is no God?
I can't believe we're still debating the validity of some parts of the Bible. See that's the problem. The bible has moments of historically accurate stories. But when the authors tell me these are gods words I gotta laugh. Do you guys really think God was ok with slaves? Do you think God really explained how to justify you owning humans? How about this. Show me something in the bible that exceeds the knowledge of the people when it was written. I'll wait
Here’s another interesting and violent Bible story for the comment section. There was a leader of the Canaanite army named Sisera. He and his soldiers were fighting against the Israelites under a leader named Barak. Sisera’s army fell and all of them were killed, but Sisera himself ran away. A lady named Jael saw him outside her house and she told him to come inside, that she was a friend and would protect him. He went in with her and she gave him milk to drink and a blanket. He told her to watch the door, and if anyone came by, to say that she was alone in the house. She agreed to this and Sisera laid on the floor with the blanket and fell asleep. Jael then took a hammer and nail, while Sisera was asleep, and drove it through his temple and nailed his head to the floor of her house. She left him just like that, and eventually Barak came by, still hunting Sisera. Jael met Sisera outside and told him she had the man he was looking for, and led him to the dead Sisera, his head still spiked to the floor.
One of my favorite stories. JAEL is a true hero!
some big discrepancies in the telling of the story of Tamar. After Judah lost his second son. His last son wasn't given to Tamar for two reasons, one, he was too young and the second is because Judah was afraid he might loose his last son. So he didn't promise Tamar that she will be the wife of his last son for these two reasons and not the one reason mentioned in the video.
Tamar went back to her home as instructed by Judah, again that is all that Judah does, he instructs her to go and wait at her fathers house. Tamar while at her fathers home wore cloths that is synonyms for someone who is a widow and grieving. She finds out that Judah is coming to where her fathers home is because he wants to sheer his sheep, upon hearing this Tamar has a plan. She knows that she isn't pledged to Judah's last son and she wants to take it upon herself to get pregnant. So she takes for cloths that are meant for grieving and switches them for cloths that is synonyms for a prostitute at that time. Main point here is that she is wearing a head veil and as such no one can see her face.
Judah walks into this town/village and sees this prostitute who is wearing a veil and he asks to sleep with her. This is where the video goes off the rails. She asks Judah what she will get in return for sleeping with him and she knows that this is her father in law and he doesn't know who she is. He says he will give her one of his sheep in his village/camp. Judah isn't at his camp/village, so this is supposed to be a promise for future payment. She asks him for a guarantee for this payment. He asks what she wants and she says she wants a seal with his cord and his staff. He agrees and he sleeps with her. Judah didn't sleep with her and not have payment, they discussed how Judah will pay her and she played him in this part of the story. Tamar isn't this poor innocent person and neither is Judah.
So she goes back to her fathers home and switches into her cloths meant for grieving. Judah returns to his camp and sends a friend to pay her but he cannot find her and he returns to Judah and tells him that she cannot be found. He is embarrassed that she has his seal and staff. But he makes peace with the idea that she has stolen it. We all now know that this was Tamar's plan, she didn't want a sheep, she was playing Judah and got proof of the person she slept with.
The video made it sound like Tamar became a prostitute because she wanted to make a living. This isn't true, she wanted to get pregnant from sleeping with her father-in-law. Plain and simple.
She got pregnant and Judah is told that Tamar is found to be pregnant and the assertion is that she prostituted herself. Judah wants her killed but before she is killed she sends him his staff and seal. Tamar honey potted Judah and got what she felt she deserved.
Moral of the story. Men need to keep it in their pants coz women who are just selling sex cannot be trusted. The other moral of the story is do what is right, Judah in his fear doesn't give assurances to Tamar that she will be married off, so when he didn't do that the rest of the story played out as it did. Judah is also the same guy who earlier discouraged his brothers from killing Joseph but instead mentioned to have him sold. Joseph lived and as per what is said in the bible he became the second highest in Egypt and also saved Egypt and his family from starvation. So Judah is seen as someone who loved his family when the rest of them were okay with killing one of them. He isn't perfect but neither is Tamar and all of them played their role.
Well put , also by God's providence Tamar gives Birth to Twins, Perez and Zerah, which from Judas line Comes King David, and ultimately our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, God is Sovereign over all, as Joseph said to his Brother's you meant it for evil but God meant it for good
im confused. Did Tamar had sex with her Father in law or played like she did??? And y he didn't go see Tamar back at her father house after he had sex with the "prosistute"( or he didnt)🤷
Also, it was Judah's duty as the patriarch to ensure his oldest son's lineage continued because he didn't have children before he died. That's why Tamar married his next son. But their first child would've been counted as the oldest son's to ensure his lineage continued. The brother didn't like that and refused to get her pregnant and the Lord killed him. Thus the duty of continuing the Judah's oldest son's lineage fell to his youngest son. This also was the custom so that that the Tamar would be provided for. Most marriages were arranged anyways back then so this wasn't that strange.
After Judah's youngest son became of age Judah shirked his duty to both provide for Tamar and ensure his eldest son's lineage out of fear that the Lord would kill that son too. (The Lord struck down his oldest son because he was wicked). What Tamar did was take it apon herself to both provide for herself and ensure her first husband's lineage. So, Tamar and Judah both sinned by fornicating but she did it for somewhat honorable reasons to pick up Judah's slack. So when Judah went to lead the stoning of her for prostituting (with him) she showed that he was lacking in his duties and morals and was more righteous than he.
@@loganwallace5854 a bit mistaken here. His youngest son wasn't of age at any point in this story. Tamar assumed that Jacob wasn't going to allow his youngest to be married to her. This was her reasoning for deceiving Jacob. They were both in the wrong but Jacob says that she was more righteous than him. So the assumption here is that Jacob knew he didn't betroth his youngest son to Tamar as he was afraid he too will be killed. But they both are wrong for what they did. Who knows if Tamar even cared for any of Jacob's children. If she was married to one of them is all she wanted. Key part here is that Jacob's youngest son wasn't of age to get married throughout the story but it is revealed that Jacob's only reason was probably that he was afraid his son would be killed for the same reasons.
@@TheFergo911 When Judah met Tamar and thought she was a prostitute, she saw that the youngest son was grown and wasn't given to her to marry as Judah had promised her. She had her grieving veil own and he came and asked to sleep with her. He acknowledged that he reneged on his promise to to her.
You got to love when people try to explain the Bible without knowing anything about the history or context and stories okay
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So true
She grew up in it
@@josemadrid2913
A lot of people did, doesn’t mean they understand it.
yeah the rando in the youtube comments knows the answers lmfao
lol. If you’ve had 3 seconds of Bible study you know the story of David and the bastard child. She think really highly of herself
Aww someone butt hurt?
I love how SkyCunt god had babies bashed against rocks.
@@JetSkiSuper7 i forgot about that, and looks like they want to do the same
@@JetSkiSuper7 Found the angry queer preteen 💀💀
My thoughts exactly
“Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.” -Matthew 13:13
Talking about trump huh?
@@suedesweffervescent No, you.
Actually, most churches do not shy away from those stories, at all, especially the story of David and Uriah. That's why religious folk will name their kids Uriah, and they become MMA fighters.
Faber and Hall? 😂
@@ETS186 Yes! Two of my favorites.
Do people who named their child david want them to be cuckhold? 😂
All churches shy away from jesus failing malachi
@@PedroParko What sort of backyard MMA are you watching, bruh?
Michelle starts by saying these stories have historical context. Proceeds to not include any of the cultural or historical context for the stories. JOE PLEASE HAVE SOMEONE ON TH E SHOW WHO ACTUALLY CAN PROVIDE CONTEXT AND UNDERSTANDS THESE EVENTS/STORIES TOLD IN THE SCRIPTURES
That "dirty David" part really got me 😂😂😂
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“ I read the Bible when I was 8 years old, cover to cover, you’re not gonna believe how much it gets wrong."
Gets wrong about what
@@GoemonLovesFujiko I think they are joking, implying someone who read the Bible at 8 really isn't old enough yet to understand everything...
@@victorbennett5414 no one at any age is capable. Especially without a 160+ IQ. Period. 99% of the population will never be able to fully unpack a single sentence of scripture if they spent their entire lives on it.
I'm glad you watermarked joe rogan's video. Wouldn't want people thinking joe rogan made the video or something
I wonder what would happen if Joe and his friends tried to deconstruct quran or bagawad gita? Just wondering.
Quran? they would be killed by deranged zealots
I am an Arab and a Muslim and I can't deconstruct Quran or explain it you.. Simply because the Arabic used in the Quran is of a very high level.. Kinda like Shakespearean English.. Even though Americans and British read and right English doesn't give the the necessary knowledge to understand or explain Shakespeares works... Similarly, the "Ulama" or Muslim scholars have to go through alot and all of them are a Hafiz meaning fully memorised the Quran and whole bunch of hadiths... Hope that answers your question...
@@truelies5431You missed his point. He's saying people aren't allowed to question the stories in the Quran, and if Joe and this woman sat around, smoking cigars, saying how ridiculous some stories are in the Quran like they do in the Bible, Muslims would be outraged. Have you not noticed how it's perfectly acceptable to openly question & mock the Christian faith, but not any other religions?
@@cdburner2548Wanna make a Muslim angry? Ask them how old Mohammed's youngest wife was.
@@cdburner2548 thank you for taking time to reply... But yes I do get his point and explained why you shouldn't be doing that and why it is considered disrespectful to the people who actually put in all the work and effort.. Ask any Muslim people what they do to get their questions about quran or religion answered.. And that's how we do it... If you guys disrespect your own traditions... That's in you... We Muslims still have to respect Jesus and his followers.. And still disrespecting your belief doesn't give you the right to do the same to others
One of the most frightening stories is the story of Job.
The Devil has a meeting with God, and God declares Job without fault, and sinless, the devil says “let me take his health away, his family, and all his belongings, and he will curse you then”
This story is a sorta microcosm of my life story
I lost everyone I truly loved : my wife to another man, my father (he was my best friend) to murder
My 2 best friends, and the love of life, fiancé, to suicide.
Job ends up suffering beyond belief physically also (soars head to foot, insomnia)
Job ends up in the end getting a lesson from God, which is very interesting to read, and having an even larger family and an even happier and extended life, that has not happened to me yet and it probably won’t
It is where Satan changes the challenge from Job to all mankind.
@@JasonlaroseLaRose 😭
@@JasonlaroseLaRose also, I do know people that went through a lot more than me and I am great full for everyday that I have.
It hasn’t happened to you yet and it probably we’ll never but you know what is a man with everything in the world he’s just a man nothing special about him.
I've noticed when things promised to me by "G-D" and I'm talking about rewarding things was because my pride was getting in the way. In the end I found out that puffing up my pride was my reward to myself for myself. I should have remain faithful and kept things hush till I noticed the marvelous gifts for my deeds and faith and that alone would be my testament or like the say + the obvious would speak louder about my faith than me puffing it up with words. Sorry if it sounded distorted but tried my best to speak of my own experiences and lessons without getting too serious about my self. Little s self.
I grew up in church and the only stories that weren't taught were 2 in i think Judges. The first is were a crowd demanded that a stranger in town be given to them so they could rape him, but the man hosting the stranger instead gave them his female servant. So they beat and gang raped the girl and afterwards, she crawls back to her masters house and dies outside his front door. If i remember right, this starts a big conflict where cities go to war with one another. The second is when a man prays to God for victory in battle and promises to sacrifice the first thing that approaches him when he gets home. So after the fight his daughter who is his only child is the first to approach him. He then lets his daughter go and grieve her virginity on a mountain with her friends for a time, and when she returns he sacrifices her.
That first one is essentially a representation of the historicity of God separating himself from Israel. The woman being raped by strangers and then murdered by her master (literally dismembered and her parts sent across all of Israel) is one of the strongest examples of how far the culture had fallen at the time, "that such a thing could happen here" is basically what everyone's response was, which is why conflict arose from it. The heaviest aspect of it being that the woman's master had become so callous that he didn't just let her die on his doorstep, he disrespected her corpse and let everyone else know about it. It was one of the ultimate examples of the fall from grace at that time in the nation's history.
I was expecting the story of Jepthah's daughter as well. I think that is one of the most terrifying stories in the Bible. What an ignorant deal to make!
This is in veggie tails 😂
100 Percent! lol great comment.
The one with the rubber ducky. I'm not sure why she thinks it's some secret controversial story.
@@jeremiahnoar7504 🤣 that's awesome. I totally agree. Sunday school stuff. I wonder why It was so weird to talk about like it couldn't be talked about. It's definitely talked about. This is a cake walk compared to some other biblical stories I've done sermons on.
Emojis are gay
In the old testament it was Judah the son Jacob and the son begins the line of King David. Another element of this line is Lot who had Moab through incest with his daughter. Ruth is a direct descendant and King David is a direct descendant of Ruth.
she asks Joe if he's read the whole Bible. He says yes, but later admits no. Most people are like this. They've read 1% but will lie to you and say they've read 100%. Unlike Joe, most of the people I talk to will dig in and defend the lie. What good does that do? You want to retain your ideas not based in reality? (1) Read the whole thing for yourself. Not that hard. Sure, it's a long work, but not that long. Or (2) trust me when I tell you where you're wrong. Don't like that? See (1).
If you go to Sunday school you hear all the stories of David…..come on now😂🤣😂
I know, what's with the both of them? Joe acts like he was forced to learn about Christianity in school. In the 70's in Florida? huh? He must have gone to a Christian private school. If that were the case, an opportunity most kids didn't have; and it appears none of it stuck.
Right on. It’s sometimes surprising how little westerners know about the Bible. Then again, I know that most people barely read anything at all.
@@michaelrobertson1736 There is no universal experience of “westerners” when it comes to these things. If you are trying to say Americans then just say it.
The thumbnail using a page from Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. Lol
It had a nice ending too, because the ghost got to move on to the afterlife. She was brutally murdered and a priest helped find her killer. He ended up giving the money she left behind to the church, at her request. Some ghosts just want someone to listen to them.
I was wondering where I had seen that pic. Thanks!
Thank you this is the comment I was looking for. I couldn't remember the name of that book.I remember when I was in elementary school that picture scared the crap out of me.
Why would the Old Testament authors include such embarrassing details with no “happy endings” in each book? It describes the constant failures and sin from Israel’s leaders, to prove the point that no man can conquer sin, we all need a savior. The Bible states this from the very beginning with Adam’s fall followed by God foreshadowing the need for a new Adam (Jesus) as God promised in Genesis 3 someone from Eve’s offspring would conquer the serpent and redeem mankind. All of it points to Christ.
That was like listening to children talk about their fathers job.
Jesus isn't going to redeem mankind, as for the last 2000+ year's a vast part of mankind neither needs or requires his assistance.
Genesis 6 other sons exist so John 3 16 lied
Amen, Brother.
The Old Testament is based on the Jewish Torah and was written in Hebrew. So no it doesn’t all point to Christ.
Really enjoyed this short… now searching for the whole thing
Her telling of the stories are incomplete, but Joe was smart to think there's layer to these complex plots
Thought they were going to talk about an actual "Dark Bible".
Same, like some possibly real almost definitely fake old relic you can only find on the “deep web”
Like from evil dead
That's just the Talmud.
Deep web? Man, its in most hidden crypts in the vatican catacombs guarded by the devil himself..
What is left out is what the Lord did to punish David for this evil act. Part of the greater story here in my opinion is. No matter the blessings the Lord God may grant and give you as well as your importance in the God's plan. We are all human and sinners capable or good and evil. No matter how important to God plan you are or are not, we all fall short of what it takes to get into Heaven. God knows this and this is why he sent Jesus to die for our sins, so that we can experience and fill the Kingdom of Heaven.
what is spoken here is true. the Creator of the universe loves you and wants a personal friendship and bond. you don't have to stop doing anything or try to clean your life up first. Jesus wants you as you are now. he will lead you down the path and you will be changed by his Holy Spirit. when you feel the pull on your heart answer the call. whosoever will can come freely.
God is the most evil person in Bible.
@@vaughnreedjr6592 You clearly have zero idea what you are talking about. Nor have you read the Bible or understand the Bible. I would highly encourage you to do that
@@vaughnreedjr6592the only ones who are evil in the Bible are the humans God is the perfect Judge and gives the people what they really deserve
@@mmartista3803 tell us more about how babies getting cancer are evil and get what they deserve or how millions dying in earthquakes, tornadoes and volcanoes deserved it. You're a phychos for believing that..
It's a psychological story that helps us to discern about our own choices in life --- many lives
I never hear people talking about contradictions in the Bible ever expand on that
I’m sorry this woman was brought up around a bunch of people that couldn’t help her understand the stories of the Bible. I’m 50 and have just recently became a Christian. I’ve heard of both of these stories because I’ve actually read the Bible. I enjoy hearing different people have different perspectives on the same story. It’s what makes us interesting as humans.
Jerry, tell me to my face that your SkyCunt god will burn me and see what happens.
David is immoral in the Bible while he's a messenger of god in the quran and is very ethical unlike the Bible version.
Not true the Bible clearly condones slavery as a perfect moral practice .
In clearly describes it as slavery in Exodus 21 and gives rules and conditions on how Jews can own slaves and how they can own fellow Jews as slaves by driving a spike through their ear to mark them as property .
Also In Leviticus God says "if a man lay with a man like he lay with a women he shall be put to death and his blood is on his own hands "
Clear as day !!
Also to stone to death unruly children and women who cheat on their husbands .
The Bible condoning murder and sitting it's own laws in place that it Deems morally acceptable .
The term they use is slavery so Christian apologist have a hard time getting around it .
Also it doesn't explain after God delivered mosses to the supposed promise land he then orders Moses and the Jews to slaughter the amolokites and amedenites and to take the women and children for themselves as slaves and to capture and take what's their and go to war with the neighboring nations around them .
If these stories were from random scrolls found in Egypt,
Joe would be marveling at how Humans were just as crazy back then as we are today.. but since they came from the Bible, he acts like we have to be careful when reading them 😂
The skeptic will never question their own skepticism.
Right! If someone said that they found these stories on a metal tablet on the moon he'd believe it.
The Bible is the word of God. You should be careful when reading it. There is no comparison between THE BIBLE and "random scrolls."
@@SalvableRuinare you out of your mind where do you think the Bible comes from😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@jeremyhodges7956the Bible isn’t from random scrolls, it’s literally diaries of people who met Jesus or were directly contracted by God. They aren’t random scrolls just found laying around😂, you’re an idiot.
They always are in shock & dismay over It condoning slavery (BONDSERVANTS paying a debt owed to people with their service & were freed after 7 years unless they chose to stay as a beloved part of that family) leaving out how God disapproves of harsh evil American slavery.
That soldier was David's best friend...
Rotting woman in the thumbnail is from Scary Stories to tell in the dark. That book creeped me out when i was like 13.
I miss that book series!!
The Toe Lady! Literally wearing a shirt with the same illustration rn 🤣
I thought I was the only one who noticed. We friends now
I’m an adult and it still gives me the creeps. That ghost lady was horrifying, but at least she ended up a good guy.
You can not call your self cultured without reading the best selling book of all time.
But free
Diary of Anne Frank?
The fact that these stories are still in the Bible, speaks of its honesty. And if it’s honest in the foul sounding aspects, why shouldn’t be honest in the good aspects?
She left out the part where Jonathan rebukes David with a parable.
Always love hearing "women most affected" thrown into any random story like this.
I know! lol Oh the patriarchy!!!
why would you want to start shit? isn't the stupid men vs women war bad enough?
@@Dandelion560 My point exactly 👍
Joe blowing smoke in her face 🤣🤣🤣
The story of David and Bathsheba was taught on frequently and preached on often enough by our pastor when i was growing up. Christians know these stories very well.
Plus there is a Richard Gere film about it (underwhelming by the way), and a Leonard Cohen song covered by numerous people including in a Simon Cowell show...
My son is named Uriah because of his loyalty.
I can’t explain why, but it’s weird to be discussing the Bible and smoking cigars.
I can explain why. You were conditioned...
No, it isn't weird, and I CAN explain why--you are imposing your cultural view of smoking as "bad" or "rebellious" onto the situation. What if they were drinking alcohol while discussing the Bible? What if it was beer? Whiskey? How about wine? Is wine better, since the Bible discusses wine more often, or do you associate religion with "lack of alcohol"? The Bible doesn't forbid smoking or drinking. It permits drinking and forbids alcoholism (or excessive drunkenness). Smoking is not mentioned.
Why? This comment makes no sense.
@@SalvableRuin because its cringe af
@@merbalee don’t be obtuse because you don’t like the question.
That story is about Judah, the son of Jacob who became known as Israel. Rehab and Ruth are also in the line of Christ. There IS a message in that, at least, I have found one for me.
So what is the message?
When david prayed after this he begged god not to lose the lord's favor, even if he lost everything else for his sin. Thats how the story ends. Saul asked to not lose his kingdom and power; david asked not to lose the lord's favor. A man after the lord's heart. The story is to teach us not to fall into adultery and lies. And it is always a serious problem if you end up mixed up in that stuff
There is a reason why seminary students (at least in most evangelical seminaries) are required to study Hebrew, ancient cultures, language forms, etc. There is a cultural context that must be understood. And these things are not hidden from anyone; are commonly discussed in most churches, and if someone hasn't heard them, then one ought to question what sort of church you have been attending.
The first time I went to Sunday School was when I was visiting relatives for a wedding. The story for that Sunday?
Abraham being commanded by God to make a human sacrifice of his son Isaac.
And what did you gleen from the story?
@@justonetime112 Now I know it was a test for the great patriarch but back then I took it as a brutal bronze age story, even when the angel stopped him.
God bless
God was giving Abraham a living image of how horrible the sacrifice of one's own Son is. The death of God's Son was necessary to pay for our sins...
@@justonetime112It's about how Abraham abandoned child sacrifice which was a common feature of Middle Eastern religions at the time
They are talking about these stories from the Bible like they are trying to make fun of or make the Bible look bad. God hates sin. These stories are in the Bible because they really happened and the Lord is trying to teach us lessons from other peoples mistakes. Just because it’s in the Bible doesn’t mean that God condones this bad behavior. They are historical facts that teach.
Really? Why are you following stories written by piss drinking desert people that couldn't explain the sun?
They're simply chatting in a relaxed atmosphere. I just don't get why Christians have to turn everything into a drama & then suggest we need lessons in life from this singular view point.
Because she misled people either through ignorance or willful deception, that's why.@@johnmichaelson9173
@@johnmichaelson9173exactly!
They are not making fun, they are enthusiastic and interested
put God back in school
God isn’t real buddy
Separation of church and state exists for a reason. You want to learn about Bible, go to Bible study.
Yeah. He definitely has a few things to learn, still. God.
😂
The story of God, The Devil and Job was a more disturbing story then anything I read in the bible.
Joe be playing "from Boston" card when in reality he from and has lived everywhere
He's said plenty of times he moved around a lot
He has zero Boston voice to him. If lived there must’ve been a far off Suburb and for a few years. Guys like all under 5-8 men. Small man syndrome
He does play up “I’m from Boston” a lot though
The Torah (The first five Books of Moses) are the only books proposed to have been written with direct dictation from God.
Did he slam those down out of anger as well?
Said who? YouknowwhatIamsaying…
@Joefest99 ok 🤡
The David story is beautiful and heartbreaking and important
The story of Batsheba and the murder of Uriah is interesting in that the plot is high-level and very secretive, only a handful of people know (David, Batsheba and Joab, the commander of the army, who put Uriah on the frontlines to die) yet once the conspiracy is masterfully wrapped and swept under the carpet; God through His prophet Nathan unwrapped it to expose David's sin. It's actually a wonder that the story was written (humiliating scandal for an otherwise a famous king), made it into the bible and got read by ancient Israelites and us. It's a dark story but so many lessons can be learned from it, and the biggest point IMO is God is always watching and knows your darkest secrets.
Can confirm: 1988 Florida.
Principles still had paddles.
We need them paddles back
I was in HS in GA in 88/89 and got paddled for not getting a failing test grade signed by my parents.
Went to grade school in Orlando, no licks. Middle school in Texas lots of corporal punishment. Believe it is still legal there.
Who hasn’t heard of this
When she was young the most popular Bible was -without question- the king James Version. For an 8 year old to read the KJV cover-to-cover would be akin to a 3rd grader reading Shakespeare's collected works. (Wordy, complex, rich and archane vocabulary, etc).
The vast majority of people who claim to have read the entire Bible are doing so out of defensiveness.
This story of David Brought forth a Generational CURSE in David's Family.
Another interesting thing, in the old days men didn't ask for "permission " to get laid
The story of Bathsheba is pretty well known for anyone who has spent enough time in church. It's a lesson teaching that even the beloved King David can fall to sin, and he was punished accordingly.
Wow! What a great example of non believers and their grasp of Our FATHER!
What's funny to me though is that was probably the pg version of the other stuff that happened. Debauchery and dismemberment are just a few of the Things that occur in the bible that most people don't know about
Dude put a photo from scary stories to tell in the dark as a cover photo for the vid
She read the "Lil' Bastard's" version of the Bible.
I know; she read the whole bible cover to cover when she was 8. She obviously didn't read the part about lying.
The Bible is a great collection of books everyone should read and study. It also references other books I recommend reading and studying.
Being from LOS ANGELES, I still don’t get how people live in SAN FRANCISCO lol it doesn’t seem real like the whole city looks like a Sitcom
Repent and believe in our Lord Jesus Christ
Also, because it was written in different languages, it's full of translation errors
No it isn’t and that’s already been proven.
@@CerealDust-nStuff I'll give you the simplest example that you're wrong. The names 'Joshua' and 'Jesus' are both bad translations of the Hebrew name 'Yeshua'. Look it up, genius.
@@MabDarogan2they aren’t bad translations. Yeshua is Hebrew name. Translated to English it’s Joshua. Translated to Greek it’s Jesus
@@Dirtybird51077 so you're acknowledging that English language bibles have at least one major translation error, as one of the main characters has the wrong name. That's the tip of the iceberg.
@@CerealDust-nStuffThe NIV is one big translation error.
Important part of King David's story is that he really was caught up. He was out of place not where he was supposed to be. His men were fighting in his name but he was posted up in the rear. The prophet told David a story about two neighbors. The story made King David burn with anger to the point that King David said this neighbor must die. The moment King David realized he was the villain in the story he repented and Yahweh could feel his hurt and repentance. As a result he lost that child he tried to cover and his house was cursed. "THE SWORD WILL REMAIN IN YOUR HOUSE" They are fighting today as you read this.
“The Bible is really violent”
tribal life in the Middle East in the Bronze Age was extremely violent
This is how you know she grow up in a cult.
First great vid LETS GOOO
Anyone else here because the thumbnail is “scary stories to tell in the dark” 😂🙌🏼
While u hear him lighting it n the water bubble in the bong in the background. 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
Nathan calls David out for this behavior .... she has no idea what she is talking bout ... the Bible doesn't hide the flaws of its heroes ... this woman has no idea what she is talking bout
Thanks. You know her type. She will hear her story again at Judgement
The Bible doesn't contradict itself.
Like Almighty God doesn't have the ability to preserve his Word.😅
He can speak the Universe into existence but can't preserve his Holy word through time, ofcourse God can 100% do this.
She explained perfectly well why it contradicts itself. Humans have rewritten the Bible to fit their desires. Chances are you read a Bible that is full rewrites
Amen
@@ll_perk we have The Dead Sea Scrolls to compare modern Bibles with and they are the same.
@@ll_perkthis comment is 100% right
The thumbnail photo from the 90s children’s book, “scary stories to tell in the dark”. Some of the coolest and evil looking artwork ever. The 90s ruled.
Anyone holding their vape like that can’t be trusted 💯
THIS IS THE TYPE OF WOMAN THAT WOULD LEAVE UNFLUSHED DIARRHEA IN THE BOWL
What?
I can tell you're a patience & caring Christian who has taken the teachings of Jesus as virtues to live by. 🙂
I think people like Mr. Rogan should not take her word for it but should fact check these stories.
Ayy lowkey tho
This is in the Bible . It isn't her story. Go read a Bible. 🤣🤣🤣
Go and read the whole story about Lot and his daughters. The whole thing is disgusting!! What the lady just told is true.
@@karenmunoz969 Yes the story of Lot and his daughters plainly shows what can happen when u go against the will of God and drink urself into oblivion. The angels sent to save Lot and his family "escape to the hills, lest u b swept away." Gen. 19:18. But Lot wanted to go to a near by small city, Gen.19:20. He didn't want to go where God was leading him. When we chose to do what WE want instead of following what is plainly God's will for is the result is disgusting.
I generally agree, but from what I understand, those stories are right. That’s the main issue I have with Joe.
The Bathsheeba story is a famous story. People who have never heard it have never been to church.
"The editors cut"?😂 Now we gotta wait for dvd commentary.✌️
If you think the Bible contradicts itself you don't know enough about it.
Really? Lol yt will delete my responses but... try me
Even ewish scholars admit it contradicts itself regarding c.sacrifice
@@Irishfist Ok, I'm ready to hear this one. LOL!
@keithdavis7595 your God claims he never commanded the Israelites to sacrifice their children.... yet child sacrifice is a commandment in exodus 22 to 29, 30 and he favours people for burning children alive multiple times
@@keithdavis7595 as predicted... your gods chosen people are removing my replies. You're not allowed to talk about the bible now... that's how desperate they are
Lilith was the first woman. The one before Eve
There was no first woman before Eve. Probably a fallen one.
@@jayrideau Yes. Her name was Lilith. She didn’t submit to Adam. She went on her own journey and the. God gave him Eve.
Show us all in the Bible where that is written. There is no mention of anyone named lilith anywhere. It's made up false doctrine to take focus away from satan beguiling Eve in the garden. That is the biggest lie ever told about the Word of God next to the rapture.
The story of Lilith is not in the Bible.
@@bluegrasstoker but Lilith is found within several biblical texts that are outside the standard bible.
I love that the thumbnail inset is a pic from 'Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark'.
Right….the secrets of the Bible!😁 She’s likely a dunce IMO.
The Bible can be rough because it has a lot of beautiful things to say but also stories that are not for the faint of heart. I remember setting out to read the whole Bible when I was 18 and I think I stopped a couple of books into it. The Old Testament is brutal. I ended up doing it again and actually finishing it. Proverbs, Psalms, Job, Ecclesiastes, all beautiful books with great wisdom and knowledge. I still struggle with faith and religion to this day. Show me a picture of an orangutan and I can’t help but see a distant relative. This life is very weird when you get into a deep thought about it lol anyways, hope y’all have a good day!
Isn't this story famous?
No
Yes. Anybody who has ever gone to church on a regular basis knows all of this. Especially the part about King David.
Aren't you gay?
Ya wasn’t it in the song hallelujah?
There are at least 1000 events in the Bible more famous than David sleeping around. It's downplayed a lot too when it's taught. So not really.
i dont think this woman knows very much about the Bible
8 year old brain
David and Bathsheba was literally the first Bible lesson I had when I was a child.
Factually, she recounted the events correctly.
It is taught prominently in all denominations. It’s definitely in the “top 10-20” Bible stories.
It means so many things about redemption and forgiveness and tragedy and death.
Jordan Peterson could give a 4 hour lecture just on this story.
And he wouldn’t scratch the surface.
David is unethical in the Bible while he's very ethical and a great messenger of god in tbe quran. Its interesting that Christians view God's messengers as character books.
@@enlightenlife2840The Koran cleans up a lot of Biblical characters. In doing so it makes them less relatable.
@@ThursoBerwick Hahaha thats a great argument from Christians but I'm not sure about how you view mohamed then. Because Christians view him as an unethical villian. Or would you relate to that? Hahahahaha, nobody sane is a follower of supposed to be 'righteous' men if they aren't actually good.
@@ThursoBerwick those characters are messengers of god. In the quran they are not 'characters.' The quran is not a story book as viewed by Muslims.
It’s wild how Joe will doubtfully question every word a Christian says calling him to believe in Jesus, but when a non-believer wants to criticize the Bible he takes it point blank without questioning their motive.
Anyone who says that the bible contradicts itself, DOES NOT understand the text as it was intended. Context is the most important part of the bible. They thought differently then, than we do now. David was never supposed to be a savior. Just a king. Not THE King. Sounds like she read the important parts, then interpreted them to mean something different. David is a sinner just like all of us. God didnt have to divulge what David did. He did it because he is an honest and Holy God. This lady is off her athiest rocker.
you sound like the one with some screws loose bud.
I love how confident people can be translating God. It’s also amazing how millions of churches have pastors who speak directly to God. Fascinating.
@@Maintainingabadtripwhat church is that
@@user-wf2rg5gl9hnice input user-wf2rg5gl9h
@@user-wf2rg5gl9hwhere did he ever accuse any one of having screws loose? You don't have to believe the bible is true to understand the point he is making. The bible isn't just one book, it is a collection of 66 books written over about 1500 years, where the most recent book was written almost 2000 years ago. It is the oldest historical text in existence. 2000-3500 years ago is a whole different universe of context and if you just read it as is, without trying to understand what was going on during that period in history, you are going to completely misunderstand what you are reading
Next time i pull out ill refer to it as "spilling my seed on the ground" 😂😂
I have attended different congregations and listen to various pastors, and the story of david and bathsheeba is regularly told.
it's incredible how ppl today with only youtube/tiktok viewings think they are now experts against 10,000 years of historicity, archaeology, and theological education.