@@daveonezero6258He specialises in the New Testament, that’s not to say he doesn’t understand the OT He can also speak ancient Hebrew
@@WeednDBZ He knows about as much as any other NT biblical scholar he's not the best in the field but he's leagues above Billy and any other new age gurus.
@@aureum7479go ahead and back any of them up without appealing to the Bible as an authority. A Muslim could appeal to the Quran as an authority and his argument would be equal to yours and both of them would hinge on a logical fallacy.
@@jeffhatmaker817 which god? do you mean one of the 8,000 which are worshipped today or one of the 30,000 which have been worshipped in the past?....or...dont tell me...the one you worship is the one ? or they are all one god?
@02:55 According to this midrash, Lilith was Adam's first wife, created from the same earth as him, making them equals. However, Lilith refused to be subservient to Adam, leading to conflict. She uttered the divine name of God, fled the Garden of Eden, and became associated with demonic activity. God then created Eve from Adam's rib as a more compliant partner.
She was never the wife of Adam. Eve was and is Adam first and only wife. Demonic activity and the very name demon did not appear until after the flood. For their origin came about after the flood, since that spirit is that of the Giants.
Came here to comment this. This guest on the other hand seemed to come up with his own story (ironically after calling out the “imagination” of others) of Adam started hooking up with Lilith (no explanation where did she conveniently pop up from ) after Eve stopped sleeping with him after their expulsion from Eden.
Joe Rogan is well aware of Michael Heiser's work against Sitchen; yet, Rogan still believes Sitchen. I can't recall the episode where he discussed the two; it might have been an episode with Graham Hancock. I can't recall.
@@jimmyups Joe Rogan is well aware of Michael Heiser's work against Sitchen; yet, Rogan still believes Sitchen. I can't recall the episode where he discussed the two; it might have been an episode with Graham Hancock. I can't recall.
😂😂 yea. Because all history means nothing if the roman pedophiles don't say so. Because Christianity just has such a peaceful history right. Such willing believers for the first 1600 years😂😂
Wes Huff mentioned that Joe doesn't bring on guests people are clamoring for just one's he himself is interested in so it's not likely and he isn't really even among the best in his field scholars like Dan Wallace or Peter J Williams who have many more decades of research in NT matters would be better but unlikely they'd be brought on as well.
The book of records does. Though it was not a snake, but Satan himself since Nahash in Hebrew translates to Shining One. When Adam, Eve and Satan were driven out of the Garden, so were all the animals and on that day their mouths were shut for their sake.
He does, its just very hard to articulate. He is talking about real truth. Truth that is and always has been. Think of software. Eve literally eating an apple by a tree is the front end UI we all see as "true". But the real truth is the backend software code. That is the only way I can put it. I'm not saying it is a metaphorical. But it HAPPENED
Why do people keep calling it an apple? It shows they haven't even read the bible. Everything they think they know about the biblical stories they just cobbled together from old paintings.
There’s nothing to debate. Billy’s whole premise is based on fake documents, proven and admitted by scholars to be frauds. Billy has nothing to stand on not even an actual education. Not to mention he has previously been arrested for a fake identity caught with fake ID’s. Billy is such a fraud that’s it’s actually crazy he has fooled people this long. I even bought the emerald tablets book. The emerald tablets are a fabled they do not exist.
Lilith was created for drama in undramatic times. On the road to babylon the Jewish diaspora needed to be kept engaged in some drama to keep the moral up. So they made her up.
She is based on the Lilitu who were the wailing women looking for their stolen daughters. It is also where the story of Persephone and Hades comes from. Which is interesting because the Bene Elohim (sons of false Pantheon) are the ones who stole their daughters.
@@adamburling9551 clearly you didn’t watch the debate. Wes is a scholar who has valid information and Billy has been 100% proven a fraud. Everything he says is based off of proven fraudulent documents 😂 his goose is cooked
@@adamburling9551 he's a professional Apologist who specializes in ancient languages and manuscripts. He can speak multiple languages including Coptic Greek etc. He would be fine.
If Rogan wants to talk about the Bible, he should get some real theologians, Bible scholars and Pastors on the show. I personally would love to see that interaction. Maybe John Piper, Paul Washer, Douglas Wilson? Men like that. Biblically trained and changed men
There was a talking snake? Yea So an actual talking snake? Well no So what was it? It was a talking snake Was Eve on drugs? Kinda like DMT sure So Eve wasn’t actually talking to a snake? Well she was
Why do some many people get into topics that they dont know well? He probably knows more than Billy Carlson but this was equal to some Billy stuff. Joe, have on Wes Huff and get some real facts.
The fascinating thing about it is that if you read it from cover to cover, a lot of makes total sense (especially if you include the Book of Enoch). A lot of people like to say "it's all fairy tales!" but it's really not. The supernatural elements have far and few between, mostly with only select people spanning hundreds or sometimes thousands of years, where in between a lot of normal things happen normally. What's really fascinating is that all of the people in the Bible act like people and make the EXACT same mistakes and observations most people would make today. They're utterly shocked at bizarre things happening, like burning bushes and talking animals, and are spellbound by the few and brief encounters they have with angels. Most of the time it's people being people, and most of them are not heroic and good. In fact, there are almost no heroes in the Bible except for Jesus. Everyone else is flawed in one way or another, or succumbs to follow one way or another. No one in the Bible gets a heroic ending except for maybe Joseph, most of everyone else's tale endures or succumbs to some kind of tragedy. And unlike the Greek tragedies, there usually isn't some turnabout with an upside, most of the stories for the main characters usually has a pretty grim but realistic downside (especially David, Solomon, and John the Baptist).
So true! Thats what blew me away about the Old testament inparticular... A bunch of faulty flawed people that God uses to move His Forward through history. Its actually way more nuanced and powerful than I thought it would be, and totally different than other religious texts I had read
That’s why it’s called the Holy Bible. It tells the truth about man. Our flaws imperfections the evil we do. Even in the face of God we murder our own brother. The Bible doesn’t sugarcoat who we are. It tells the truth about us
The book of Enoch is gnostic and angels did not mix with women. That is not what the sons of God we’re. This video proves it: ua-cam.com/video/E0_OFMpiE3w/v-deo.htmlsi=MiJO5srrn4F3wxVD
I don't know about no one getting a heroic ending, Elijah had an epic exit "As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind."
Who is this guy? There is a lot of information about Lilith. She is the first woman created simultaneously with Adam who wanted to be on top of her when having sex and she refused because "I am equal to you, not a subordinate. She did not like the sex with Adam and fled Eden and went to have sex with the gods of the red sea. There she met Satan and had thousands of kids by him. Meanwhile, Adam was begging God to bring Lilith back, but she refused. The achangels he sent after her threatened to kill her kids if she does not obey the orders. She refused. They killed all of them. When Adam realised Llith is not coming back, he begged God to give him a submissive wife - Eve. Lilith wanted to revenge for her kids, turned into a snake and made Eve eat from the forbidden fruit. Because she refused to obey God and Adam, she is known as the kids killer and a deamon.
Like the dude rogan’s interviewing said, it’s from the midrash, which was written a couple thousand years after genesis was first written. It’s fanfic at best. The word Lilith also means owl or night bird, and the only time it appears in the Bible is among a list of animals, so…
@@dndrmffln2960 This is the christian adaptation of the story. Midrash is like fanfic written by rabbis thousands of years ago based on oral traditions around the text of the torah. It's not considered canon. There are references to some of the midrash in the talmud. Some were later ported over to Christianity. To my knowledge, there's no one official story. Just a bunch of summaries used as liner notes to torah and talmud passages. If you want the original, you'll need to google something like "Lilith midrash" and even then you'll probably find a discussion with a bibliography of mentions in the Talmud. I'd read the older jewish sources first. Then you can read the christian versions of the story, and then finally the modern feminist versions.
There's actually a fascinating argument among theologists about what the fruit actually was. Grapes, pomegranates, apples... one guy even suggested it was wheat.
He's obviously read the Bible, but he can not remember the order of when whatever story happened, which makes it MUCH harder to answer questions. Plus, he's a poor speaker, which makes it hard to understand any point he may be trying to make. He seems confused, so answering questions must be hard for him to do.
I’m from a tiny pacific island, we have a flood story, Atlantis story, giants, male god in heaven who sent his only son down to earth. Nothing about our culture contradicts the Bible which is why most Pacific Islanders are Christians.
Reminds me of the alaskan orthodox Christians. The orthodox learned their culture, mythology, and translated their bible. They already had the same words and concepts such as when they killed meat to eat it was the animal giving itself as a sacrifice and they would give thanks.
Lilith is not mentioned in the Hebrew bible. There are some translations of Isaiah which use the word Lilith, but it's talking about scary night creatures, not the Lilith of legend.
Yeah seems like a psychology thing to me. He focuses on the state of mind of the reader, so if THEY believe it's true, then he needs to believe it also, at least for the purposes of understanding the reader's thinking.
Noah’s is the line that survived after the flood. Noah was a descendent of Seth, Adam and Eve’s 3rd and youngest son. Cain’s line did not survive the flood
@@juliasugarbaker9032 We don't know the full ancestry of Noah and his wife, so it's possible that some of Cain's descendants intermarried with Seth's descendants and survived the flood through Noah's family.
Remember the snake was cursed by God to crawl the rest of its days. Who knows what form or how the snake looked in the beginning. Perhaps it was like the mythological dragons. It obviously wasnt unusual to talk to one. We will never know but its a fascinating story.
It’s like a dream, in the moment it seams to be real, and you act as if it were real, but then you wake up and you realize it wasn’t, but it still feels real. Or when everyone believes in something, even if it isn’t true, it pretty much becomes real, because everyone acts as if it so. For example there was a time when most people thought the world was flat and in their lived experience it was, even though it actually wasn’t.
That's true but that means god is horrible at getting information across. It's clearly bull, seeing as how there is no evidence outside the bible that Jesus ever existed.
I guess I have 2 demons that I keep as pets. They are very nice creatures, & they LIKE to play when I take them out of their houses. They have never convinced ME to do ANYTHING bad!! In fact, taking care of them has made me a better person. They had belonged to a friend, who didn't take proper care of them, so I BOUGHT them from my friend, got them healthy again, & now they have much better lives. I sure hope "god" isn't too upset with me - LOL!!
Who else is waiting for Rogan to finally become a follower of Jesus? He's so close to being there he just needs a little more faith. Pray for him brothers and sisters and everyone else who doesn't believe in the son of man.
How can you read the above comment and not think that Christianity is a weird cult. Notice the word "Faith", not "Fact". Very interesting terminology...
After recent events in biblical discussions, I would honestly love to see Joe Rogan have Wes Huff on as a guest. Dude has done his historical due diligence of studying the “facts” and biblical writings! Also it’s absolutely amazing to see Joe talking, discussing, and thinking about these kinds of subjects! 🙌🏼 Keep praying for Joe and his family! Also 🙏🏼 for Jamie 😎
@@VitruviunMan Says who? Is this something you’ve been told or read? Name your source! Because I genuinely believe you and every other Christian has been brainwashed into believing such a thing! Not one shred of evidence of God, not one! But hey, whatever makes you sleep better at night! And before you say it, I was a regular church goer for years. Sang every hymn and recited every Bible verse. Never saw the Big Man once. Funny that eh! 🤷🏻♂️
Unfortunately while NGE is great Anno has been on record saying all the western religious iconography was used because "it looked cool"; it has no deeper meaning. Unless Joe likes mech fights and/or Asuka he wont necessarily get much out of it
He’s been that way since the start. You don’t need to be religious to ask questions about religions. It’s the same fascination we have today with Greek mythology which predates Abrahamic religions by a millennia. Christianity will too be just a fascination a thousand years from now.
@@TheChubbyd07Greek mythology does not predate Abrahamic. What you speak of is Nephilim Doctrine. For those that have read scripture understand this. The people on this Earth don’t have a thousand years left but less than 100. We are closely approaching Days of Noah.
We should all be able to agree that being curious and asking questions can be a good thing for both people...especially when asking for a "valid reason" to believe the other persons belief is "reasonable"... Can we agree that it is problematic to accept a supernatural claim as true without good reason to believe? I really hope that you open your mind not just your heart...
14:31 wait a minute hold on in the book Moses says that there were Giants at that time and also after the flood. That’s where you get Goliath and his brothers and King Aga who had a bit that was like 13 feet long and 6 feet wide.
Lilith is not in the Bible because people chose to leave it out. The Bible is just a collection of old stories that passed down by word of mouth, it wasn't handed down to us by God.
It’s poorly edited. Different versions of the same story repeated, certain books left in, certain left out. Some of it is useful advice, some just a real estate brochure
@@amandagiles1470 There are 400,000 manuscripts, copies, and papyri of the stories and books of The Bible that predate the 4th century and through textual comparison you can prove what stories are accurate and consistent with the ancient texts.... Do you believe that the Iliad is accurate? or Heroditus or Plutarch? because their writings are used as accurate sources for most ancient history and they have way less copies to corroborate the accuracy of those works.
Do the people who hate Joe Rogan actually watch his podcast ? We often forget that he talks with experts but is always able to conduct a great interview/conversation on all these different topics. Can we acknowledge how impressive that is ? He'a also very warm and just a nice guy I find. I'm sorry so many people criticize him for the wrong reasons.
The story I heard was Lilith was Adam‘s first wife made equal from dirt. Adam didn’t like her independence and he wanted someone that would obey him so God created Eve from his rib. Later men decided to write the story that Lilith was a demon. How dare she not be subservient. The stories men write and the ignorant who believe.
I thought he was interviewing Trump but then I realized the guy wasn't found responsible for a sexual assault, tried to overthrow our Government and end Democracy. He also wasn't quoting Hitler and praising HITLER while also scamming the poor and uneducated. The final straw that proved that this guy isn't Trump is the absence of bragging about sexually assaulting women and them letting him do it bc he's famous. So nope it's definitely not Trump.
WTF is this dude sayin?! I love the subject matter...but this guy keeps going in weird loops and tangents. Answering but not answering at the same time.
People missing the true translation and meaning behind the biblical scripture is unreal. It is not a document of history, its intertwined with with mythology, astrology, and esoteric knowledge (some of those parts edited out). Also, the study of Phoenician and Acadian languages that predate hebrew and greek unlock foundational points of the bible. Especially Genesis. Jordan Maxwel, Zacharia Sitchen have helped me dig deeper.
If you like Sitchen you should check out Michael Heiser’s work. He has a few docs on UA-cam and lectures that are really helpful for understanding the ancient near eastern worldview
Getting a Psychiatrist to explain the Bible=Trust me bro Getting someone who has a Masters of Theological Studies = Facts Who's is that guy? Wesley Huff No more fluff B.S from the last guy. Billy Carson is gone, Have Wesley with this Rick Strassman and I would guarantee Rick will be sitting there in silence.
@ alright let’s pretend your god is real. Right now, my relative is dying of cancer. She’s a kid. Your god could do something and he doesn’t. Even if he was real, I wouldn’t worship him. Billions of people are struggling rn - not from people being bad. From natural disasters and disease. Your god sucks 🤡🤡🤡
@@chriscornicelli3378 you should do some research, you have absolutely no understanding of the Bible. Your comments would seem silly to a 3rd grade Bible study class.
I’m from a tiny pacific island, we have a flood story, Atlantis story, giants, male god in heaven who sent his only son down to earth. Nothing about our culture contradicts the Bible which is why most Pacific Islanders are Christians.
We need Wesley Huff on JRE !
Yes! Get Wes Huff on here. People need to hear Billy Carson debunked.
Will huff ftw
UA-cam basketball og 🙏🏽🔥
@@jimmyupsthey dropped the full debate on Wesley’s channel
No we don’t, wes says a whole bunch of shit that sounds nice that isn’t nothing at all stop the dogma
Lilith, the wife of Dr. Frasier Crane.
She really is terrible.
Don’t forget Niles clapped those cheeks too
Hahahaha
Exactly.. she grew up in Boston.
Tell me you were born before 1990 without telling me you were born before 1990
It was AS IF this guy hasn't explained this before.
LOL!!
as if
That’s because he was lying for half of it
His answers are so annoying
Wes Huff is the biblical scholar that could answer your questions Joe, I know you’re seeking hard facts and he’s well equipped.
New Testament scholar. He doesn’t know everything about the OT.
He is actually just all about the paper and how old books were put together.
@@daveonezero6258He specialises in the New Testament, that’s not to say he doesn’t understand the OT
He can also speak ancient Hebrew
@@aureum7479he isn't as knowledgeable as yall think bro.
@@WeednDBZ name check, opinion disregarded.
@@WeednDBZ He knows about as much as any other NT biblical scholar he's not the best in the field but he's leagues above Billy and any other new age gurus.
Get a real Biblical scholar on here please, like Wes Huff. This guy does not know what he's talking about. So many claims without backing them up.
He seems confused - at BEST!!
Christians can’t back up any claims ! 😅 wtf
@@KudmondFalse
Wes Huff isn't the guy you think henis
@@aureum7479go ahead and back any of them up without appealing to the Bible as an authority. A Muslim could appeal to the Quran as an authority and his argument would be equal to yours and both of them would hinge on a logical fallacy.
Imagine being this guy's kid and asking if Santa was real. 1hr of vacillations later and you just dont care anymore.
Bruh that's the worst. Some peeps can make the most interesting things boooooring
😂😂.. Exactly. On a side note, hopefully Rogan is opening his heart to the love of God.
😂😂😂
It's as if he were real.
@@jeffhatmaker817 which god? do you mean one of the 8,000 which are worshipped today or one of the 30,000 which have been worshipped in the past?....or...dont tell me...the one you worship is the one ? or they are all one god?
@02:55 According to this midrash, Lilith was Adam's first wife, created from the same earth as him, making them equals. However, Lilith refused to be subservient to Adam, leading to conflict. She uttered the divine name of God, fled the Garden of Eden, and became associated with demonic activity. God then created Eve from Adam's rib as a more compliant partner.
The name Lilith is mentioned in the bible only once.. .I can't remember exactly where tho.. maybe Isaiah.
She was never the wife of Adam. Eve was and is Adam first and only wife. Demonic activity and the very name demon did not appear until after the flood. For their origin came about after the flood, since that spirit is that of the Giants.
So the first woman on earth left him and the 2nd got him kicked out of Eden
Lilith is historically connected to Babylonian religion.
Came here to comment this. This guest on the other hand seemed to come up with his own story (ironically after calling out the “imagination” of others) of Adam started hooking up with Lilith (no explanation where did she conveniently pop up from ) after Eve stopped sleeping with him after their expulsion from Eden.
Wtf is this Guy saying?? He’s gonna make people think Joe Rogan believes in Dragons again.
It’s as if Dragons are real 😂
You sound like a fool.
@@greasher926 were real* They are all over most world cultures and had bird like bones.
@@TRUMP20Z4 joes new trumper fanboys really are the dumbest losers alive
Again?? Didn’t know he stopped.
Too bad he never had Michael Heiser on. That would have been interesting.
I always wanted that to happen, I still hope Joe hears about his work debunking Sitchen at some point and brings it up.
So true...instead he's still parroting Sitchin BS. Heiser dismantled that story quite effectively. RIP Mike H.
Joe Rogan is well aware of Michael Heiser's work against Sitchen; yet, Rogan still believes Sitchen. I can't recall the episode where he discussed the two; it might have been an episode with Graham Hancock. I can't recall.
@@jimmyups Joe Rogan is well aware of Michael Heiser's work against Sitchen; yet, Rogan still believes Sitchen. I can't recall the episode where he discussed the two; it might have been an episode with Graham Hancock. I can't recall.
@@FrankCostanza-y4m aw that’s too bad.
PLEASE get Wesley Huff on here.
That would be awesome!
Joe, get Wes Huff on!
Agreed
After he bodied Billy Carson I mean wow bro was just pumping bullshit on major podcasts lmao
😂😂 yea. Because all history means nothing if the roman pedophiles don't say so. Because Christianity just has such a peaceful history right. Such willing believers for the first 1600 years😂😂
Wes Huff mentioned that Joe doesn't bring on guests people are clamoring for just one's he himself is interested in so it's not likely and he isn't really even among the best in his field scholars like Dan Wallace or Peter J Williams who have many more decades of research in NT matters would be better but unlikely they'd be brought on as well.
Wendigoon bout to lose it over this clip
Bro needs to do another Sunday Service. Out of all the videos he did, those readings were informative and helpful.
His explanation is as clear as mud.
as if
Snakes talk. Just listen to politicians 😅
They speak with forked tongue
😂😂😂
It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that a snake talked.
The book of records does. Though it was not a snake, but Satan himself since Nahash in Hebrew translates to Shining One. When Adam, Eve and Satan were driven out of the Garden, so were all the animals and on that day their mouths were shut for their sake.
Definitely 😂
This guy has no idea what he's trying to say
HE said literally nothing. "Well as if he were saying something, but not"
Have you read or watched "dmt the spirit molecule" Rick was responsible for that. A very cautious, humble measured and insightful man.
He does, its just very hard to articulate. He is talking about real truth. Truth that is and always has been. Think of software. Eve literally eating an apple by a tree is the front end UI we all see as "true". But the real truth is the backend software code. That is the only way I can put it. I'm not saying it is a metaphorical. But it HAPPENED
The mundus imaginalis...
Why do people keep calling it an apple? It shows they haven't even read the bible. Everything they think they know about the biblical stories they just cobbled together from old paintings.
This was the hardest JRE clip to sit through in my memory bank
you need Wes Huff on here
This guy sounds like me writing out an essay question on my final at the end of the semester
Get Wes Huff and Billy Carson on the pod. Would love to see the debate while both are in a studio and someone to actually let them talk.
There’s nothing to debate. Billy’s whole premise is based on fake documents, proven and admitted by scholars to be frauds. Billy has nothing to stand on not even an actual education. Not to mention he has previously been arrested for a fake identity caught with fake ID’s. Billy is such a fraud that’s it’s actually crazy he has fooled people this long. I even bought the emerald tablets book. The emerald tablets are a fabled they do not exist.
Billy just got his ass handed to him.
Billy Carson would walk off and call his lawyer
Who are thos guys and are they interesting should I take time to listen to them like I did this
Billy got proven to be a snake oil salesman
Lilith was created for drama in undramatic times. On the road to babylon the Jewish diaspora needed to be kept engaged in some drama to keep the moral up. So they made her up.
She is based on the Lilitu who were the wailing women looking for their stolen daughters. It is also where the story of Persephone and Hades comes from. Which is interesting because the Bene Elohim (sons of false Pantheon) are the ones who stole their daughters.
Exactly, Lilith was never real.
I think when Kane went to the land of Nod, Lilith was his girl, as if.
Joe get Wes Huff on the podddddd
Nah. He's a religious person he would be eaten alive
@@adamburling9551 clearly you didn’t watch the debate. Wes is a scholar who has valid information and Billy has been 100% proven a fraud. Everything he says is based off of proven fraudulent documents 😂 his goose is cooked
@@adamburling9551 he's a professional Apologist who specializes in ancient languages and manuscripts. He can speak multiple languages including Coptic Greek etc. He would be fine.
I second that. That podcast would be legendary
@@adamburling9551then more reason to bring him on no? Lol for the conversation and to show the world he is wrong according to you no?
We need Wes ❤
No we don’t . Dude talks a lot sounds good but don’t say shit about anything
@@christiansayers4747 your a bot
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If Rogan wants to talk about the Bible, he should get some real theologians, Bible scholars and Pastors on the show. I personally would love to see that interaction. Maybe John Piper, Paul Washer, Douglas Wilson? Men like that. Biblically trained and changed men
Snake 🐍 “I didn’t say anything, I can’t even talk!” … as he spoke and pleaded his innocence 😂
נָחָשׁ nachash {naw-khawsh'}
Means snake or serpent but it can also mean People of the Snake as Nakash becomes Nagash and eventually Nagas.
Also translated to Shining One
We hope to see Wes Huff on JRE
This guy has no idea put Wes on!
Strassman doesn't quite get the Lilith story right.
Steve Quayle would be a great guest to discuss this topic
This convo. Is peak jre
There was a talking snake?
Yea
So an actual talking snake?
Well no
So what was it?
It was a talking snake
Was Eve on drugs?
Kinda like DMT sure
So Eve wasn’t actually talking to a snake?
Well she was
@@BullittOutdoors BRO, I was SO confused lol
Why do some many people get into topics that they dont know well? He probably knows more than Billy Carlson but this was equal to some Billy stuff. Joe, have on Wes Huff and get some real facts.
For real
The fascinating thing about it is that if you read it from cover to cover, a lot of makes total sense (especially if you include the Book of Enoch). A lot of people like to say "it's all fairy tales!" but it's really not. The supernatural elements have far and few between, mostly with only select people spanning hundreds or sometimes thousands of years, where in between a lot of normal things happen normally. What's really fascinating is that all of the people in the Bible act like people and make the EXACT same mistakes and observations most people would make today. They're utterly shocked at bizarre things happening, like burning bushes and talking animals, and are spellbound by the few and brief encounters they have with angels. Most of the time it's people being people, and most of them are not heroic and good.
In fact, there are almost no heroes in the Bible except for Jesus. Everyone else is flawed in one way or another, or succumbs to follow one way or another. No one in the Bible gets a heroic ending except for maybe Joseph, most of everyone else's tale endures or succumbs to some kind of tragedy. And unlike the Greek tragedies, there usually isn't some turnabout with an upside, most of the stories for the main characters usually has a pretty grim but realistic downside (especially David, Solomon, and John the Baptist).
So true! Thats what blew me away about the Old testament inparticular... A bunch of faulty flawed people that God uses to move His Forward through history. Its actually way more nuanced and powerful than I thought it would be, and totally different than other religious texts I had read
That’s why it’s called the Holy Bible. It tells the truth about man. Our flaws imperfections the evil we do. Even in the face of God we murder our own brother. The Bible doesn’t sugarcoat who we are. It tells the truth about us
The book of Enoch is gnostic and angels did not mix with women. That is not what the sons of God we’re. This video proves it:
ua-cam.com/video/E0_OFMpiE3w/v-deo.htmlsi=MiJO5srrn4F3wxVD
I don't know about no one getting a heroic ending, Elijah had an epic exit "As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind."
Joshua did well throughout & ended strong - as for me & my house we will follow the Lord.
Who is this guy? There is a lot of information about Lilith. She is the first woman created simultaneously with Adam who wanted to be on top of her when having sex and she refused because "I am equal to you, not a subordinate. She did not like the sex with Adam and fled Eden and went to have sex with the gods of the red sea. There she met Satan and had thousands of kids by him. Meanwhile, Adam was begging God to bring Lilith back, but she refused. The achangels he sent after her threatened to kill her kids if she does not obey the orders. She refused. They killed all of them. When Adam realised Llith is not coming back, he begged God to give him a submissive wife - Eve. Lilith wanted to revenge for her kids, turned into a snake and made Eve eat from the forbidden fruit. Because she refused to obey God and Adam, she is known as the kids killer and a deamon.
Interesting, where can people find this story?
Reminds me of Medusa.
*there it is* !!!!!! THIS is the story I have heard
Like the dude rogan’s interviewing said, it’s from the midrash, which was written a couple thousand years after genesis was first written. It’s fanfic at best. The word Lilith also means owl or night bird, and the only time it appears in the Bible is among a list of animals, so…
@@dndrmffln2960 This is the christian adaptation of the story. Midrash is like fanfic written by rabbis thousands of years ago based on oral traditions around the text of the torah. It's not considered canon. There are references to some of the midrash in the talmud. Some were later ported over to Christianity.
To my knowledge, there's no one official story. Just a bunch of summaries used as liner notes to torah and talmud passages. If you want the original, you'll need to google something like "Lilith midrash" and even then you'll probably find a discussion with a bibliography of mentions in the Talmud. I'd read the older jewish sources first. Then you can read the christian versions of the story, and then finally the modern feminist versions.
The Bible never mentions an apple. Eve did not get all the blame for the fall.
There's actually a fascinating argument among theologists about what the fruit actually was. Grapes, pomegranates, apples... one guy even suggested it was wheat.
as if
Joe needs to get Dr. Hillman on. Ideally in a discussion with Wesley Huff.
That might be an epic conversation.
Yyyeeesssssss
THAT'S entertainment!
I don’t even think this guy is sure of what he is even saying , just talking in circles
This dude is doing everything but answering the questions
He's obviously read the Bible, but he can not remember the order of when whatever story happened, which makes it MUCH harder to answer questions. Plus, he's a poor speaker, which makes it hard to understand any point he may be trying to make. He seems confused, so answering questions must be hard for him to do.
Lilith , wife of Dr. Frasier Crane.
Not a coincidence. 😅
Love that show
Only other time I’ve heard that name.
@@anthonymartinez6688Best show of all time imo
Don’t forget about the Lilith Fair music festival. That was late 90s progressivism
The fact so many will be led a stray from this conversation is a tragedy
EVERYTHING in this conversation is a tragedy!!
as if
Pretty much every episode of JRE leads people astray. Nothing new going on here.
I’m from a tiny pacific island, we have a flood story, Atlantis story, giants, male god in heaven who sent his only son down to earth. Nothing about our culture contradicts the Bible which is why most Pacific Islanders are Christians.
Which one?
Reminds me of the alaskan orthodox Christians. The orthodox learned their culture, mythology, and translated their bible. They already had the same words and concepts such as when they killed meat to eat it was the animal giving itself as a sacrifice and they would give thanks.
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@@jessmax5006 Yap, Micronesia
Im pretty sure God doesnt have a gender. At least that's what i remember
Take a shot every time he says “y’know”
at what?
It reminds me of some episodes from Supernatural. I guess a lot of the writers got their content from old lore and bible stories and references.
his story of Lilith was strange. Never have I heard that version. The version in the hebrew bible makes more sense (if any of it actually does..)
Lilith is not mentioned in the Hebrew bible. There are some translations of Isaiah which use the word Lilith, but it's talking about scary night creatures, not the Lilith of legend.
Or….. it’s a story. Imagine people in 1000s of years time finding lord of the rings and thinking it’s something that happened ignoring all of science.
Religion. The best marketing machines ever created
"As if it were real" I am still trying to figure this out . . . 😮💨
He has a very strange way of expressing his thoughts.
Guy is as fruity as Sitchen
Yeah seems like a psychology thing to me. He focuses on the state of mind of the reader, so if THEY believe it's true, then he needs to believe it also, at least for the purposes of understanding the reader's thinking.
No disrespect Joe but this conversation is confusing as hell and crazy
as if
I’m pretty sure Elon Musk brought Lilith up, since he’s a Diablo fan.
Or he has read the epic of Gilgamesh
@ Sure, or that.
The bible says Cain lived however...and you ignore his having an actual lineage on this planet.
Well, yeah, because the Bible is horseshit nonsense. Try to keep up.
Noah’s is the line that survived after the flood. Noah was a descendent of Seth, Adam and Eve’s 3rd and youngest son. Cain’s line did not survive the flood
@@juliasugarbaker9032 We don't know the full ancestry of Noah and his wife, so it's possible that some of Cain's descendants intermarried with Seth's descendants and survived the flood through Noah's family.
Greg Laurie would be great to have on here. Joe maybe you should reach out to Greg to have on your show.
I think he needs an apologetic, historian or expert. Not a pastor.
Sam Tripoli is the person who brought up Lilith on the podcast
Remember the snake was cursed by God to crawl the rest of its days. Who knows what form or how the snake looked in the beginning. Perhaps it was like the mythological dragons. It obviously wasnt unusual to talk to one. We will never know but its a fascinating story.
No...
Not really a curse for a snake…. 🐍
Or it's not ment to be literal
That's not really the best translation. He was a seraphim I believe.
@@S810IC Well, he embodied the snake.... which I'm kind of shocked wasn't brought up in the discussion.
Please interview Wes Huff 🙏🏾💯
"as if it were real" ...wtf...does that even mean?
faith
"Are you a different animal in the same beast"
@ktw5141 so if I believe it...that makes it so...
It’s like a dream, in the moment it seams to be real, and you act as if it were real, but then you wake up and you realize it wasn’t, but it still feels real.
Or when everyone believes in something, even if it isn’t true, it pretty much becomes real, because everyone acts as if it so. For example there was a time when most people thought the world was flat and in their lived experience it was, even though it actually wasn’t.
No matter your religious belief the Bible is pretty fascinating to discuss and there’s a lot of room for differing opinions
That's true but that means god is horrible at getting information across. It's clearly bull, seeing as how there is no evidence outside the bible that Jesus ever existed.
And actual good historical facts. That disprove a lot of this
I always imagined the snake as being a demon.
I don’t think it’s ever called a snake in the book.
I guess I have 2 demons that I keep as pets. They are very nice creatures, & they LIKE to play when I take them out of their houses. They have never convinced ME to do ANYTHING bad!! In fact, taking care of them has made me a better person. They had belonged to a friend, who didn't take proper care of them, so I BOUGHT them from my friend, got them healthy again, & now they have much better lives. I sure hope "god" isn't too upset with me - LOL!!
Joe Rogan trying to take metaphor literally is everything anyone needs to know about humans and why we find ourselves in modern day predicaments.
Who else is waiting for Rogan to finally become a follower of Jesus? He's so close to being there he just needs a little more faith. Pray for him brothers and sisters and everyone else who doesn't believe in the son of man.
Koolaid, get your Koolaid!
I think he has too much logic to fall for that story.
@@KAT-dg6elwhere does logic come from?
How can you read the above comment and not think that Christianity is a weird cult. Notice the word "Faith", not "Fact". Very interesting terminology...
Jesus is phony. Religion is poisonous. God is imaginary.
My ancestors turned to Christ because they understood Odin offered only death, not life.
Unfortunately for them, Jesus is also dead
@SilientShadow Hilarious
@@caswell62 Were you expecting a joke? In that case, try believing in prayer
After recent events in biblical discussions, I would honestly love to see Joe Rogan have Wes Huff on as a guest. Dude has done his historical due diligence of studying the “facts” and biblical writings! Also it’s absolutely amazing to see Joe talking, discussing, and thinking about these kinds of subjects! 🙌🏼 Keep praying for Joe and his family! Also 🙏🏼 for Jamie 😎
Agreed, I’m glad so many other people want to see this too
3:48 Sam Tripoli brought it up during the fight companion
Wesley Huff
The knowledge between good and evil sounds like a psychedelic experience. My first time doing a psychedelic was exactly that.
Invite Wes Huff!
The cave with the cyclops skulls are crazy
Joe, invite Wes Huff if you really want to talk about the historical aspects of the Bible!
Wesley Huff or Sam Shamoun either one will do.
Christ is King
He lost me when he said that snakes talk.😂
You didn't watch Harry Potter?
Well apparently during this time, snakes had legs too. It wasn't until the snake tempted Eve that God cursed the snake to crawl on its belly.
You need to have John MacArthur on your podcast
God spoke everything into existence
Did he, aye?
How did he come into existence then?
makes me think of Chat GTP Lol, hmm i Wonder
@@LittleBanditMicra God does not have a beginning or end. He is as he is. God is eternal, without time.
@@VitruviunMan Says who? Is this something you’ve been told or read? Name your source! Because I genuinely believe you and every other Christian has been brainwashed into believing such a thing! Not one shred of evidence of God, not one! But hey, whatever makes you sleep better at night! And before you say it, I was a regular church goer for years. Sang every hymn and recited every Bible verse. Never saw the Big Man once. Funny that eh! 🤷🏻♂️
Nah, that's your mum.
Lean in Joe; read His word... Jesus loves you
Joe should watch Evangelion
Joe should get in the robot
Unfortunately while NGE is great Anno has been on record saying all the western religious iconography was used because "it looked cool"; it has no deeper meaning. Unless Joe likes mech fights and/or Asuka he wont necessarily get much out of it
@@iratepirate3896 That's what he wants you to believe
@@revelstatus2346 You saying he's a prophet?
Joe should have Father Ripperger on to explain things properly
I sense wes huff episode in a matter of two weeks 🤓☝️
I hope you’re right
@jimmyups joe rogan listens to the peoples whispers 🤫🤫🤫🙏🙏🙏
i think its the original sin of adultery, and jealousy
Joe is really coming along, love this guy. He’s asking questions and staying curious.
I really hope that he opens his heart to Jesus.
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He’s been that way since the start. You don’t need to be religious to ask questions about religions. It’s the same fascination we have today with Greek mythology which predates Abrahamic religions by a millennia. Christianity will too be just a fascination a thousand years from now.
@@TheChubbyd07Greek mythology does not predate Abrahamic. What you speak of is Nephilim Doctrine. For those that have read scripture understand this. The people on this Earth don’t have a thousand years left but less than 100. We are closely approaching Days of Noah.
We should all be able to agree that being curious and asking questions can be a good thing for both people...especially when asking for a "valid reason" to believe the other persons belief is "reasonable"...
Can we agree that it is problematic to accept a supernatural claim as true without good reason to believe?
I really hope that you open your mind not just your heart...
@@kael3691 😂😂😂😂
14:31 wait a minute hold on in the book Moses says that there were Giants at that time and also after the flood. That’s where you get Goliath and his brothers and King Aga who had a bit that was like 13 feet long and 6 feet wide.
Goliath was about 7ft tall. The Bible would consider NBA players as giants.
Lilith is not in the Bible because people chose to leave it out. The Bible is just a collection of old stories that passed down by word of mouth, it wasn't handed down to us by God.
I feel like you haven’t read the Bible
So you would believe the Bible if Lilith was included? That is your proof the Bible is illegitimate?
Exactly why I don’t believe in it. it’s a book. People have made religion.
It’s poorly edited. Different versions of the same story repeated, certain books left in, certain left out.
Some of it is useful advice, some just a real estate brochure
@@amandagiles1470 There are 400,000 manuscripts, copies, and papyri of the stories and books of The Bible that predate the 4th century and through textual comparison you can prove what stories are accurate and consistent with the ancient texts.... Do you believe that the Iliad is accurate? or Heroditus or Plutarch? because their writings are used as accurate sources for most ancient history and they have way less copies to corroborate the accuracy of those works.
Do the people who hate Joe Rogan actually watch his podcast ? We often forget that he talks with experts but is always able to conduct a great interview/conversation on all these different topics. Can we acknowledge how impressive that is ? He'a also very warm and just a nice guy I find. I'm sorry so many people criticize him for the wrong reasons.
Nope, they usually don’t watch. They just assume he is a meat head mma junkie. The self proclaimed open minded people love to be closed minded.
The problem is he doesn’t talk with biblical experts
Get Jonathan Pageau on for this stuff
Who is he and is it worth listening?
Love this gentlemans translation of the story
The story I heard was Lilith was Adam‘s first wife made equal from dirt.
Adam didn’t like her independence and he wanted someone that would obey him so God created Eve from his rib.
Later men decided to write the story that Lilith was a demon. How dare she not be subservient. The stories men write and the ignorant who believe.
let me guess , a woman told you that story
Hell naw thats wrong
Nope both made from dust and they constantly fought because of it. If women would just quit messing things up for us we could be further as a society.
I heard this story too.
@@zsbacskai7331 thats the story most agree with and what ive read from ancient jewish text. But you obviously got no idea what ur talking about lol
God bless Rick Strassman
That's not the Lilith story at all
8:20 thought he was interviewing Joe Biden for a sec...
He was thinking?
I thought he was interviewing Trump but then I realized the guy wasn't found responsible for a sexual assault, tried to overthrow our Government and end Democracy. He also wasn't quoting Hitler and praising HITLER while also scamming the poor and uneducated. The final straw that proved that this guy isn't Trump is the absence of bragging about sexually assaulting women and them letting him do it bc he's famous. So nope it's definitely not Trump.
WTF is this dude sayin?!
I love the subject matter...but this guy keeps going in weird loops and tangents. Answering but not answering at the same time.
How is the first single cell organism that split due to cellular mitosis not Adam and Eve
Lilith is where we get the term lullaby. They are meant to guard children against her.
Joe get Wes Huff on the pod, you guys would have a great conversation
Yes
Like playing telephone. It changes every time it's heard and passed on.
Not a good argument
There are a 1000s manuscripts and they are very well maintained and show very few discrepancies.
JRE should have Jonathan Pageau on for this topic
He would be good but Fr. Stephen DeYoung would be better. Check out his podcast The Lord of Spirits.
Tomorrow on "The View", "Joe Rogan believes in Giants"
People missing the true translation and meaning behind the biblical scripture is unreal.
It is not a document of history, its intertwined with with mythology, astrology, and esoteric knowledge (some of those parts edited out).
Also, the study of Phoenician and Acadian languages that predate hebrew and greek unlock foundational points of the bible. Especially Genesis.
Jordan Maxwel, Zacharia Sitchen have helped me dig deeper.
People act interested, but they're too lazy and stupid to read. The information is readily available without others telling us what was said.
If you like Sitchen you should check out Michael Heiser’s work. He has a few docs on UA-cam and lectures that are really helpful for understanding the ancient near eastern worldview
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@@jimmyups Heiser is a really interesting source. His work is incredible.
I’ve been waiting for this topic to come across for the longest time i know about nephilim and Lilith and the fallen angels and now a days how life is
Never thought I'd hear Joe Rogan say fr fr
Getting a Psychiatrist to explain the Bible=Trust me bro
Getting someone who has a Masters of Theological Studies = Facts
Who's is that guy?
Wesley Huff
No more fluff B.S from the last guy.
Billy Carson is gone,
Have Wesley with this Rick Strassman and I would guarantee Rick will be sitting there in silence.
Without EVIL there is no GOOD without GOOD there is no EVIL. Without LIGHT there is no Darkness, everything has its opposite.
Ying and yang
When JR gets saved, I think he will reflect on this conversation.
I can’t wait until Rogan has legit scholars on his podcast, get Joshua Bowen on
I would love to see Dr Bowen be given a chance to share the knowledge he has collected.
Joe get Wes Huff! 😊
I’m two minutes in and this guy seems to genuinely believe that the world began from two people and there was a garden of Eden and such 💀💀🤡
Because something created out of nothing makes more sense.
@ alright let’s pretend your god is real. Right now, my relative is dying of cancer. She’s a kid. Your god could do something and he doesn’t. Even if he was real, I wouldn’t worship him. Billions of people are struggling rn - not from people being bad. From natural disasters and disease. Your god sucks 🤡🤡🤡
@@eduardogarcia-bp7elyeah as opposed to god just always being there lol who created the creator and who creator the creator of the creator. So stupid.
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That's Satan
@@chriscornicelli3378 you should do some research, you have absolutely no understanding of the Bible. Your comments would seem silly to a 3rd grade Bible study class.
I’m from a tiny pacific island, we have a flood story, Atlantis story, giants, male god in heaven who sent his only son down to earth. Nothing about our culture contradicts the Bible which is why most Pacific Islanders are Christians.