"outside of valve produced games, valve doesnt force publishers to sell exclusively on their store" - That is exactly my main point and why im totally ok with EA making their games origin excl back when, ubisoft etc. All fine in my books because they publish it, and i have no issue with epic produced games to be excl on the EGS but... their busines practice of taking away choiec that was there... i dont have an egs account and dont plan to, i simply wait and actually profit out of it, because i get games cheaper, bugfixed (Thanks EGS Betatesters) and often with dlc's already released. so a net win for me and a net loss for the egs
and its always funny to look at people trying to defend EGS paid exclusives crying "b-but half life games are only on steam!" like yeah that was totally the point of the discussion wasnt it
I have 30 + free Epic Store games. I only ever purchase ONE Epic Store game and I return refunded that. If they didn't own Fortnite, the Store would already be DOA due to lack of money. Made even worse because in my case PC Gamepass is cannibalizing BOTH Steam and Epic store purchases.
I like when pc mustard race beta tests all the stuff I buy for console! Thanks for wasting (allegedly) the same amount of money for a new xbox except you deal with the issues the devs didn't fix!
I think the biggest thing that puts Epic in a bad light is none other than Tim Sweeney himself; how his statements are never the ones from a person who works at games but *the kind of things you would hear a politician to say* (always talking about how their opposition are bad and them being the good ones)
Exclusives are an insanely stupid and anti-customer business strategy. They are going to end up spending a billion dollars achieving nothing, think about all the games they could have developed themselves with the money. Valve created the Orange Box on a shoestring compared to Epic's capabilities and its paying dividends to this day, nothing has stopped Epic making their own stable of exclusives. Reading some of the documents I wonder why no one at Epic has attempted to right the ship. The free games have actually been relatively cheap from a user acquisition point of view. A fraction of the marketing budget compared to exclusives yet puling millions of new users vs tens of thousands. Sweeny is too arrogant for his position, every single problem they've had, the hundreds of millions burned has been avoidable. Steam already solved piracy with service, even Russians buy their games now. EGS has resurrected cracking groups yet no lessons learned, they do not want to admit Valve got it right.
The biggest reason is the only way epic is competing is because they use timed exclusives deals to force people to buy new games from them. Steam just hosts a market, and if a game is exclusive to it, it’s either valve made or the developer’s choice. Steam’s platform is far superior and even then they constantly experiment with new features to better serve customers and sellers. Epic doesn’t, and is getting rightfully creamed.
@@FlanCakes tf did you mean? You can literally do that lmao Even on steam there's a BIG picture mode which puts you on a console-like UI, you can choose games and play right away, even on TV with your controller without using your mouse, ever.
When a game comes to steam after being epic exclusive, the running joke is "oh its finally on PC". I wanted to play fall guys after it went F2P but found out that Epic bought it and its no longer available through steam.
i missed my chance of buying before it went to EGS, good thing i have rocket league so i can easily play on linux with wine/proton without any additional problem
I had no idea it was doing THIS poorly. I also hadn't been following the Apple vs Epic lawsuit. Is there a single list of documents you recommend reading, or a thorough summary somewhere?
@@Wolfeisberg yeah yeah, whatever Eisberg of r/ f epic infamy. Has Sweeney Senpai noticed you yet? Funny how you went missing when the Epic v Apple court proceedings happened.
update : about the Hades part of your video, the exact same thing happened with Darkest Dungeon 2. Early Access on EGS, full release on EGS and STEAM. IMO EGS managed to persuade developers well, just the devs. attracting customers is as usual an entirely different beast
Well said. Honestly, I don't even care so much about those exclusive games, but they could at least put in basic features to keep players using their store front. Things as simple as ability to read and write game reviews, see and join games like with STEAM, cloud saving, high quality screenshots and videos for games they sell...Really basic stuff that STEAM has had for over a decade in some cases. I'm also annoyed over them cancelling Paragon and UT and basically ruining any chance Mech Warrior had of being successful.
Makes me happy to hear EGS has been failing hard. I've always believed that most people will be happy to ignore bad practices such as online only if a game is good enough, but thankfully it doesn't seem to be working for them this time. They can take their console-style exclusivity bullshit and shove it up their arses.
i remember when Epic Games once used to be respected in tha PCCD/PCDVD Rom era when i loved them for their Unreal/Unreal Tournament days.... what a shame... because those Unreal/Unreal Tournament games was FPS LEGENDS RIP
@@MrHolodoc it's really sad and it wasn't just tha Unreal Tournament games they pulled, they even pulled tha non Tournament Unreal games as well, i'm glad i got em on GOG before they pulled tha plug on it well except for UT3 which i didn't care about
Literally the only reason i use the epic store is because they Gave away a fair bit of games i loved (Like Subnautica, Night in the woods, TABS etc.) or was looking forward to watching someone play as im poor as shit
Im just impressed they manged to keep this plan of buying exclusivity running. Especially after what i saw in this video. I didnt think it was possible to bleed this much money for 5 years and still manage to keep going. I guess i underestimated just how much money fortnight made
honestly the EGS store is a horrendous attempt at being competitive. the people who launch and market the platform delude themselves into believing that exclusives will sell their storefront. but in reality people only use it so they can get access to the free game of the week deals Epic so prominently features. numerous games go free to keep on Epic that people absolutely adore. such as the full Borderlands series, that Batman Arkham trilogy, the BioShock trilogy, and very recently Dying Light was free to keep as well. with the only purpose of EGS being for free games, the platform is hemorrhaging money trying to keep itself alive. most people who tell you they have EGS, will typically say that they use it for the same reason i do; a weekly free game that catches their interest. the only reason as to why Epic themselves don't go under is because Fortnite keeps the company on life support. but the moment that game eventually will die, so will the company behind it. and there are plenty of other storefronts people use, even with the presence of EGS. Such as the Xbox App, Humble Bundle, Steam, GoG, and even through NVidia GeForce Now. the whole entire idea behind EGS is also one massive lie told by a greedy asshole who is simply jealous of other companies having a monopoly over digitally sold games. he isn't against them because he believes the industry requires more competition. he does it because he wants to be the only competitive store front people would buy from. and that delusion leads to his hypocrisy being shown off with all the glamor of a potato with lipstick. slight correction about the Hitman trilogy. you can transfer your save data from Steam to the Epic version of Hitman 3, however you have to make an IOI account, linked with your Steam email, and go through the laborious and often times inconsistent step by step guide they have on their website. at this point in time, this process is irrelevant since Hitman 3 is now on PC Gamepass and Steam as of the Freelancer update.
I think the best way to show how much better steam is than EGS is to launch both launchers at the same time. I’ve found EGS takes 3 times as longer to launch than to update and launch steam.
At this point I only use EGS for 2 things, as a fortnite launcher and as an Unreal Engine Launcher. Both of which i can just open through shortcuts anyway because the store itself is so unoptimized and takes forever to do anything.
So THIS is why I hadn't heard of the metro series before exodus EDIT: just heard the teenage mutant ninja turtles nes theme song and I'm getting real nostalgia right now
@@scamthesam while Epic only has 1 game they developed that's exclusive. All the other 99% aren't made by them; they force the devs to be exclusive. Just ask DARQ dev. Boy, doesn't that ruin your whole unpaid shilling.
@@scamthesam you mean like their own games? Valve made it exclusive on Steam because it is dependent on the Steam API. So there's no way they would ship their own games to other storefronts, because there's a chance that the other storefronts just don't support those games like Steam does. What? Are you expecting Dota and CS:GO to ship to EGS? LMAO EGS doesn't have community-driven content, no workshop on mods etc. Big L
Oh thank goodness, Niche Gamer delisted their video on EGS so I'm glad to see that you uploaded it on your channel too. Great video by the way, super informative. Subbed!
The Cycle early access was an epic games exclusive, i played it for a time, but when coming back it was completely dead. So they turned the servers off and remade the game into the cycle frontier which released 2 years later, as a steam + epic games game, now it has players. I always wondered why the first one died, it was really fun, and i guess this is a pretty big reason.
Thing is, Epic is not competing trying to fix Valve's mistakes with Steam. They just made a worse store for everyone were the only incentive are the exclusives and the free games. Compare this to GOG which for example has a DRM-Free version of Batman Arkham Knight (which on Steam it has Denuvo). The whole store is DRM-Free and I love it. Doesn't try to censor adult games as much as Steam (they release a uncensored patch with the game probably for legal reasons). It has some exclusives just they're old games that the team rebuilt for modern versions of Windows like Diablo or Metal Gear Solid. A large database play other games outside GOG within it's own launcher, very comfy. What does the EGS? Compared to Steam they don't have much remarkable features for the user. They aren't competing at all.
What's amazing is that Epic Games thinks that their store was going to offer something that Steam didn't, but Steam already offered literally EVERYTHING a games launcher could give someone. It has: -A friends list -An invite system -Modding capabilities -Constant sales so you can get great games for cheap prices -A messaging system -Player review sections for games -Refunding abilities if you meet the criteria -An organized store that you can manually customize to only show games from genres you play What does Epic Games Store have? -A friends list -They give out free games often, but most of them are forgettable Shovelware That's it, that's all EGS offers. What a joke. Looks like Epic really let Fortnite get to their heads.
ALL THEY NEED TO DO IS FUCKING ADD FEATURES BUT INSTEAD THEY DECIDE TO BURN 500 MILLION DOLLARS FOR EXLUSIVES NOONE BUYS. Whoever runs the books at epic needs to be removed asap
honestly the thing that soured my opinion of epic was getting games to become epic exclusives despite the fact that the original plan for these games were for them to not be exclusive and even getting games pulled from steam for a while in some cases because if they didnt do this 1 thing i probably would've bought some games through their store
Man I'm one of the few people on the internet who still have never played GTA5, never bought it, not even thinking about it. However if I'd have gotten it for free ... shit I'd have played it an hour or two. >D
They also put prices in dollars, even if I live in Argentina. For comparisson, in Epic, a normal AAA release costs U$60. If you change that into pesos, is about, $28.000, or even more. In Steam, in pesos, $6000.
great video. haha, I bought a game on g2a a few years ago, turns out I accidentally bought an epic exclusive. so ended up never playing it...till it came out on steam then just re purchased it 😂 100% agree that competition is a good thing, but like you say, epic is not competing with steam at all
You know epic games is the reason steam had to lower their income % for each game from 30% to 20%? Game studios were choosing Epic Games over Steam to host their games because they only take 15% of the income generated by the game, while steam took 30%. So steam was forced to lower it by 10%.
@@muffy469 although it's good that the steam lowered the income percentage, 30% was the industry standard it's not as if steam intentionally have it higher, it is that egs lowered it to attract game devs afaik 30% is still the standard for consoles, and nintendo might have/had a slightly higher/lower percentage (the nintendo one i'm not too confident about tho, and it's very likely outdated if true) when fortnite was very popular, egs stood a chance solely because egs pulls devs into their platform and steam had to improve their service to better appeal the consumers valve knew steam's strengths and made it better in response to egs quick rise to a reasonably threatening competition valve just understands that a store dies with the customer count thus customer has to be happy with the service, egs feels more like a mafia gang than a store if egs were a fictional character, i can imagine it saying "if you want to start a business, we got cheap rents and we'll also protect your store", "i got a business proposition for you, i'll give you extra cash but i'll need to use the basement and you don't have to know what we're doing down there as long as you play nice we won't have a problem"
@@muffy469 Considiring that Epic was stil taking 15% for the little the offered(as far as i know in the beginning only a store front and even that was barebone), It makes steams 30% seem low. Now i might be wrong but early on when some of the indiestudios went exclusive(to epic) they where also still using steam forum to do bug reporting and keeping incontact with their community.(higher cost better benefiths) But maybe its easy to say as a consumer.
My main go to multiplayer game is Smite, so back in the day, I got an Epic Account to try Paragon, because it looked like it fit the niche but they shut the game down before I could really play it. Then I shrugged and went back to playing Smite. On Steam.
While it's understandable that competition is a must for pc gaming and steam NEEDS some competition in order for it to become better, you don't do exclusivity on pc. You'll only crash and burn hard if you try to do so.
I have epic games solely for the free games, and at this point, my EGS library is far larger than my Steam library. Then again, I have never spent a cent in it, so who knows
Watching this in 2023 and EGS still is lacking basic features such as profile pictures. To put that into perspective, Nintendo Online has profile pictures.
Honestly I only got EGS just for fortnite and satisfactory because I thought satisfactory was COMPLETELY exclusive to the EGS but i looked on steam and it was there so now I just use it for Fortnite
I'll never forget metro exodus being pulled off of steam 2 weeks prior to its release (while they kept publishing promotional material through the steam community feature) and all the chaos that resulted. Not to mention one of the execs saying that if pc gamers didn't buy it from epic, they would stop making games for pc altogether. Very smart to attack the people who want to give you money. This is why I just straight up am not buying their games anymore, including exodus. If I want it that badly, I will just use alternative methods.
For me, I have "Epic Games" store installed only for the free stuff like the Discord Nitro thing they pushed like a year ago. It's the only thing really keeping them "alive" from my perspective
They don't even have to stop buying exclusivity entirely, if they bought 2-6 weeks instead of a year they would get a large portion of the initial sales with much less backlash.
Another thing about egs, they can lock you out of your account for no reason. They locked me out claiming that they could not confirm that I was the original creator and boom my account locked. Exactly why this happened, probably because I left their support team as bad with an issue I was having since they literally offered nothing. What I learned, when and if I do get my account back, I don't contact support over issues since they might just ban my account and never spend a dime there and try to switch to steam ASAP. Right now playing online games is a bit of an issue for me since my internet is awful but hopefully that changed when I switch countries. I actually planned to once buy from egs due to the giant library of free games I've built but after getting a few games on steam I'm thinking to sell it cheap to someone who wants to buy it, a friend or so and warn them to not contact support since instead of helping they'll try to take away your account.
It's funny how Epic treats games as if it was a console, game consoles have differences beyond exclusive games where you buy the sum of everything rather than only the exclusives, if your only difference is being worse than the competition then don't expect the temporal exclusives to carry.
I've been saying it since the very beginning - EGS does not even have HALF the features that Steam offers, and the only thing EGS provided was a lower income tax for greedy publishers. When it launched, it had none of the features that Steam established as a standard. No reviews, no achievements, no marketplace, no dedicated discussion board for each game, no screenshot hosting, and no shopping cart, just to name a few.
Let's ignore the rest of these features, like the "social" ones, and think about this for a moment: EGS, a digital store that wants to compete with Steam, doesn't even have a shopping cart, a BASIC FEATURE of EVERY online shopping website, or at least a vast majority of them. Wtf.
Why y'all freaking out about exclusivity deals? Everyone accepts it when Nintendo and Sony do it (and tie it to their > $300 hardware) but here it comes at no additional expense to you.
But many people wanted to escape away exclusivity by buying games on steam but yet epic games just have to piss off many people by turning pc gaming Into console gaming by forcing people to use their shit launcher which sure will be remember as one of the worst moments ever to happen for 2019 gaming.
it's really embarrassing, i used epic to play diabotical and unreal tournament 4 tech demo and both are dead at this point, (UT4 TBH was doomed to fail before fortnite BR was a thing) steam for everything else, if i want to play oddworld soulstorm i rather use steam instead and wait a year for oddworld soulstorm to come out on steam.
As of the time of writing this comment (April 27, 2022) Shopping Cart has now been implemented on EGS so who knows? Maybe in 5 years it will have as many features as Steam/GoG Galaxy have today.
I LOVE Borderlands but I just could not care less about Borderlands 3 and Wonderlands release. I have them both now on Steam and love BL3. Haven’t sat down and played Wonderlands yet really though, partly cause of the mixed reception to the end game and how the DLCs have been received.
the only reason i have the egs on my PC is for gta 5. i got that years ago before i even had a pc. currently i’m using a mod menu whenever i play, and i’m kinda half hoping i get banned one day just for a reason to delete the whole launcher and buy the game on steam. i hate having so many different launchers nowadays
Tim Sweeney starts making epic store for big income and getting money from forcing people to buy it only on epic Gabe Newel starts making Steam for playing Portal, TF2, HL and CSGO and for big income and getting money from selling games on that platform too..... but on other platforms too...
One positive side about valve is how open they are to testing out literally anything, even if it’s harmful. Sure this has resulted in some terrible practices like paid mods but it has also given us less terrible features like the steam marketplace and steam early access program. Regardless of the controversies both of these systems have been in, they have contributed massively to steam’s growth as a platform. Epic isn’t so open to trying out any new idea and so their store has stayed relatively the same since launch (which means no incentive to use it over their much more extensive competitor outside of pricing)
the only time I cracked with the epic store was with borderlands 3. other than that time years ago, I will never buy any games off of epic unless it somehow becomes better than steam
I only use the epic games store to play 3 games, which two of them were on Steam but removed by Epic and I hate that because I feel that would be easy to have those games run on a platform that has most of my Pc games, and also the user icon in some game are not available (For example Rocket League). Hope those game come back to steam soon.
The reason why epic games sucks is because the ui is horrible and anti consumer, forcing developers to add ingame chats and friend tabs to be able to play with friends. On steam all I have to do is click shift+tab.
The only reason why i uss egs is for the free games they give out. Games like Alien Isolation, Tombraider and Gta5 made me actually use the thing but outside of that buying anything from from them is something i will not do no matter how tempted i am to buy Dead Island 2 on there
I honestly didn't care about Epic untill they made the two games that I waited for exclusive, the games being Metro Exodus and Borderlands 3. Once I saw that, I just swore to myself never to use them even if they give me all the games for free. I genuinely hope they fade away so that we can get games property.
Turns out making your platform a burden to consumers (you have to use EGS or wait a year to buy an exclusive) is a very bad way of getting people to use your platform. Why would I want to buy anything on EGS when I already have a bad association with it as the app I was forced to download to buy a game I wanted to play on release.
Dude sounds right between the Google Translate Male Voice and Postal Dude.
"outside of valve produced games, valve doesnt force publishers to sell exclusively on their store" - That is exactly my main point and why im totally ok with EA making their games origin excl back when, ubisoft etc. All fine in my books because they publish it, and i have no issue with epic produced games to be excl on the EGS but... their busines practice of taking away choiec that was there... i dont have an egs account and dont plan to, i simply wait and actually profit out of it, because i get games cheaper, bugfixed (Thanks EGS Betatesters) and often with dlc's already released. so a net win for me and a net loss for the egs
Well said sir. I'm still grabbing all the free games though. Super handy to have a library full of them on steam deck.
I had a stroke trying to read this.
and its always funny to look at people trying to defend EGS paid exclusives crying "b-but half life games are only on steam!" like yeah that was totally the point of the discussion wasnt it
I have 30 + free Epic Store games. I only ever purchase ONE Epic Store game and I return refunded that. If they didn't own Fortnite, the Store would already be DOA due to lack of money. Made even worse because in my case PC Gamepass is cannibalizing BOTH Steam and Epic store purchases.
I like when pc mustard race beta tests all the stuff I buy for console! Thanks for wasting (allegedly) the same amount of money for a new xbox except you deal with the issues the devs didn't fix!
I think the biggest thing that puts Epic in a bad light is none other than Tim Sweeney himself; how his statements are never the ones from a person who works at games but *the kind of things you would hear a politician to say* (always talking about how their opposition are bad and them being the good ones)
Pros:
Free games
Cons:
Everything else
"Being Steam, but worse" You are right this fits very well.
disagree with your opinion
Exclusives are an insanely stupid and anti-customer business strategy. They are going to end up spending a billion dollars achieving nothing, think about all the games they could have developed themselves with the money. Valve created the Orange Box on a shoestring compared to Epic's capabilities and its paying dividends to this day, nothing has stopped Epic making their own stable of exclusives.
Reading some of the documents I wonder why no one at Epic has attempted to right the ship. The free games have actually been relatively cheap from a user acquisition point of view. A fraction of the marketing budget compared to exclusives yet puling millions of new users vs tens of thousands.
Sweeny is too arrogant for his position, every single problem they've had, the hundreds of millions burned has been avoidable. Steam already solved piracy with service, even Russians buy their games now. EGS has resurrected cracking groups yet no lessons learned, they do not want to admit Valve got it right.
Yeah, I've been saying this all along. If they claim to bring "competition" then they should actually compete.
The biggest reason is the only way epic is competing is because they use timed exclusives deals to force people to buy new games from them. Steam just hosts a market, and if a game is exclusive to it, it’s either valve made or the developer’s choice.
Steam’s platform is far superior and even then they constantly experiment with new features to better serve customers and sellers. Epic doesn’t, and is getting rightfully creamed.
imma be dead ass, i don't like steam because of the excess of features. i honestly just prefer clicking a game and thats about it
@@FlanCakes L
@@FlanCakes you can literally do that.
@@FlanCakes "Dead ass" does describe you accurately, yes.
@@FlanCakes tf did you mean? You can literally do that lmao
Even on steam there's a BIG picture mode which puts you on a console-like UI, you can choose games and play right away, even on TV with your controller without using your mouse, ever.
When a game comes to steam after being epic exclusive, the running joke is "oh its finally on PC".
I wanted to play fall guys after it went F2P but found out that Epic bought it and its no longer available through steam.
that makes way too much sense
i missed my chance of buying before it went to EGS, good thing i have rocket league so i can easily play on linux with wine/proton without any additional problem
didnt the same thing basically happen to rocket league, dont know if f2p but i remember ive had it on steam for years and i heard its only on egs now
I had no idea it was doing THIS poorly. I also hadn't been following the Apple vs Epic lawsuit. Is there a single list of documents you recommend reading, or a thorough summary somewhere?
It's Epic v Apple btw. Epic is the Plaintiff and Apple is the Defendant.
@@Wolfeisberg yeah yeah, whatever Eisberg of r/ f epic infamy. Has Sweeney Senpai noticed you yet? Funny how you went missing when the Epic v Apple court proceedings happened.
update : about the Hades part of your video, the exact same thing happened with Darkest Dungeon 2. Early Access on EGS, full release on EGS and STEAM.
IMO EGS managed to persuade developers well, just the devs. attracting customers is as usual an entirely different beast
Well said. Honestly, I don't even care so much about those exclusive games, but they could at least put in basic features to keep players using their store front. Things as simple as ability to read and write game reviews, see and join games like with STEAM, cloud saving, high quality screenshots and videos for games they sell...Really basic stuff that STEAM has had for over a decade in some cases. I'm also annoyed over them cancelling Paragon and UT and basically ruining any chance Mech Warrior had of being successful.
Makes me happy to hear EGS has been failing hard. I've always believed that most people will be happy to ignore bad practices such as online only if a game is good enough, but thankfully it doesn't seem to be working for them this time. They can take their console-style exclusivity bullshit and shove it up their arses.
i remember when Epic Games once used to be respected in tha PCCD/PCDVD Rom era when i loved them for their Unreal/Unreal Tournament days.... what a shame... because those Unreal/Unreal Tournament games was FPS LEGENDS RIP
@@blakedmc1989RaveHD They just pulled the plug for their Unreal Tournament Games, well... guess they really have changed for the worst.
@@MrHolodoc it's really sad and it wasn't just tha Unreal Tournament games they pulled, they even pulled tha non Tournament Unreal games as well, i'm glad i got em on GOG before they pulled tha plug on it well except for UT3 which i didn't care about
“Only one, that being satisfactory, has ever made back the money spent”. The common satisfactory W
if the free games are garbage you´re never going to play then what is even the point of owning them
Literally the only reason i use the epic store is because they Gave away a fair bit of games i loved (Like Subnautica, Night in the woods, TABS etc.) or was looking forward to watching someone play as im poor as shit
Im just impressed they manged to keep this plan of buying exclusivity running. Especially after what i saw in this video. I didnt think it was possible to bleed this much money for 5 years and still manage to keep going. I guess i underestimated just how much money fortnight made
Ah yes I too installed the epic game store to play unreal and also paragon, damn you epic for canceling both of those
The fact that they don't have Gear of war while steam have it is hilarious 🤣🤣🤣🤣
it's exactly why i only used Epic Games Store for was mainly tha Unreal Tournament stuff
honestly the EGS store is a horrendous attempt at being competitive. the people who launch and market the platform delude themselves into believing that exclusives will sell their storefront. but in reality people only use it so they can get access to the free game of the week deals Epic so prominently features. numerous games go free to keep on Epic that people absolutely adore. such as the full Borderlands series, that Batman Arkham trilogy, the BioShock trilogy, and very recently Dying Light was free to keep as well. with the only purpose of EGS being for free games, the platform is hemorrhaging money trying to keep itself alive. most people who tell you they have EGS, will typically say that they use it for the same reason i do; a weekly free game that catches their interest. the only reason as to why Epic themselves don't go under is because Fortnite keeps the company on life support. but the moment that game eventually will die, so will the company behind it. and there are plenty of other storefronts people use, even with the presence of EGS. Such as the Xbox App, Humble Bundle, Steam, GoG, and even through NVidia GeForce Now. the whole entire idea behind EGS is also one massive lie told by a greedy asshole who is simply jealous of other companies having a monopoly over digitally sold games. he isn't against them because he believes the industry requires more competition. he does it because he wants to be the only competitive store front people would buy from. and that delusion leads to his hypocrisy being shown off with all the glamor of a potato with lipstick.
slight correction about the Hitman trilogy. you can transfer your save data from Steam to the Epic version of Hitman 3, however you have to make an IOI account, linked with your Steam email, and go through the laborious and often times inconsistent step by step guide they have on their website. at this point in time, this process is irrelevant since Hitman 3 is now on PC Gamepass and Steam as of the Freelancer update.
I think the best way to show how much better steam is than EGS is to launch both launchers at the same time. I’ve found EGS takes 3 times as longer to launch than to update and launch steam.
Which is funny, considering how many features EGS has compared to Steam (that is, very few).
At this point I only use EGS for 2 things, as a fortnite launcher and as an Unreal Engine Launcher. Both of which i can just open through shortcuts anyway because the store itself is so unoptimized and takes forever to do anything.
if they weren´t constantly giving out free games the launcher would indeed be nothing but Fortnite
So THIS is why I hadn't heard of the metro series before exodus
EDIT: just heard the teenage mutant ninja turtles nes theme song and I'm getting real nostalgia right now
The previous games came out on Steam wdym?
Epic Games Store, because who doesn't want exclusivity cancer on the PC as well?
steam has 100s of exclusive games too. get your mind out of the gutter lol
@@scamthesam while Epic only has 1 game they developed that's exclusive. All the other 99% aren't made by them; they force the devs to be exclusive.
Just ask DARQ dev. Boy, doesn't that ruin your whole unpaid shilling.
@@scamthesam Steam isn't forcing anyone to sign contracts for it. Grow up.
@@scamthesam you mean like their own games?
Valve made it exclusive on Steam because it is dependent on the Steam API. So there's no way they would ship their own games to other storefronts, because there's a chance that the other storefronts just don't support those games like Steam does.
What? Are you expecting Dota and CS:GO to ship to EGS? LMAO EGS doesn't have community-driven content, no workshop on mods etc. Big L
Oh thank goodness, Niche Gamer delisted their video on EGS so I'm glad to see that you uploaded it on your channel too. Great video by the way, super informative. Subbed!
Solid content m8. Interesting situation all around, might pay a little more attention to these lawsuits now.
Also Denuvo isn't hard to crack anymore. Once people found out how it ruined it and now just worse than the pirated nonDRM version.
Probably the best video I’ve seen on the topic. Well done and subscribed.
The Cycle early access was an epic games exclusive, i played it for a time, but when coming back it was completely dead. So they turned the servers off and remade the game into the cycle frontier which released 2 years later, as a steam + epic games game, now it has players. I always wondered why the first one died, it was really fun, and i guess this is a pretty big reason.
I wish Unreal Engine 4 had its own launcher that wont need me to download the Epic Games store.
@@resyntax Is that safe? How do I do that?
@@resyntax is it legal though? I do not want to be sued by Epic Games for stealing or sued by fans due to game-making on a broken engine.
@@resyntax oh cool. Will it accept my current projects? and how much space does it take?
I open epic store once a week to add the free games to my account, close it, and don't think about it until the next week.
damm bro nice video and the voice definitely looks smooth af
Thing is, Epic is not competing trying to fix Valve's mistakes with Steam. They just made a worse store for everyone were the only incentive are the exclusives and the free games.
Compare this to GOG which for example has a DRM-Free version of Batman Arkham Knight (which on Steam it has Denuvo). The whole store is DRM-Free and I love it. Doesn't try to censor adult games as much as Steam (they release a uncensored patch with the game probably for legal reasons). It has some exclusives just they're old games that the team rebuilt for modern versions of Windows like Diablo or Metal Gear Solid. A large database play other games outside GOG within it's own launcher, very comfy.
What does the EGS? Compared to Steam they don't have much remarkable features for the user. They aren't competing at all.
Dude, epic games was screaming about destroying steam 24/7 until the EGS become a failure
@@cosmicdragon9237 Ya, it's quite funny
well egs isn't even up to the standards of modern pc digital storefront for games let alone an entire platform
Diabotical... Makes me sad to think about it
all in all, epic bungled their own store
I usually use the free games as demos so I know if it's worth it to buy on steam
Only 7% who claim free games end up making a purchase 😮 This is crazy low...
Now to go claim another...
Great vids btw. I think i like it better when its you narrating though since it sounds way more natural. (nothing against the voice actor.)
Thank you. Future vids should go back to me voicing the videos.
What's amazing is that Epic Games thinks that their store was going to offer something that Steam didn't, but Steam already offered literally EVERYTHING a games launcher could give someone. It has:
-A friends list
-An invite system
-Modding capabilities
-Constant sales so you can get great games for cheap prices
-A messaging system
-Player review sections for games
-Refunding abilities if you meet the criteria
-An organized store that you can manually customize to only show games from genres you play
What does Epic Games Store have?
-A friends list
-They give out free games often, but most of them are forgettable Shovelware
That's it, that's all EGS offers. What a joke. Looks like Epic really let Fortnite get to their heads.
ALL THEY NEED TO DO IS FUCKING ADD FEATURES BUT INSTEAD THEY DECIDE TO BURN 500 MILLION DOLLARS FOR EXLUSIVES NOONE BUYS. Whoever runs the books at epic needs to be removed asap
honestly the thing that soured my opinion of epic was getting games to become epic exclusives despite the fact that the original plan for these games were for them to not be exclusive
and even getting games pulled from steam for a while in some cases
because if they didnt do this 1 thing i probably would've bought some games through their store
That mention of TF2 made me like and subscribe and hit the bell.
Love the TMNT music in the background. Both the NES and GB versions had great music.
Reasons to have EGS on your computer:
• Free games
Might as well pirate them then.
@@imselfaware419 Might as well install a virus then
@@imselfaware419 why would you pirate something free?
Man I'm one of the few people on the internet who still have never played GTA5, never bought it, not even thinking about it. However if I'd have gotten it for free ... shit I'd have played it an hour or two. >D
Same I've never played GTA and I probably never will, not my cup of tea.
My only regret is that I didn’t pick up my free games earlier but funny enough I haven’t even launched anything yet.
They reported they just lost even more money
Good
They also put prices in dollars, even if I live in Argentina.
For comparisson, in Epic, a normal AAA release costs U$60. If you change that into pesos, is about, $28.000, or even more. In Steam, in pesos, $6000.
great video. haha, I bought a game on g2a a few years ago, turns out I accidentally bought an epic exclusive. so ended up never playing it...till it came out on steam then just re purchased it 😂
100% agree that competition is a good thing, but like you say, epic is not competing with steam at all
You know epic games is the reason steam had to lower their income % for each game from 30% to 20%? Game studios were choosing Epic Games over Steam to host their games because they only take 15% of the income generated by the game, while steam took 30%. So steam was forced to lower it by 10%.
@@muffy469 although it's good that the steam lowered the income percentage, 30% was the industry standard
it's not as if steam intentionally have it higher, it is that egs lowered it to attract game devs
afaik 30% is still the standard for consoles, and nintendo might have/had a slightly higher/lower percentage (the nintendo one i'm not too confident about tho, and it's very likely outdated if true)
when fortnite was very popular, egs stood a chance solely because egs pulls devs into their platform and steam had to improve their service to better appeal the consumers
valve knew steam's strengths and made it better in response to egs quick rise to a reasonably threatening competition
valve just understands that a store dies with the customer count thus customer has to be happy with the service, egs feels more like a mafia gang than a store
if egs were a fictional character, i can imagine it saying "if you want to start a business, we got cheap rents and we'll also protect your store", "i got a business proposition for you, i'll give you extra cash but i'll need to use the basement and you don't have to know what we're doing down there as long as you play nice we won't have a problem"
@@muffy469 Considiring that Epic was stil taking 15% for the little the offered(as far as i know in the beginning only a store front and even that was barebone), It makes steams 30% seem low.
Now i might be wrong but early on when some of the indiestudios went exclusive(to epic) they where also still using steam forum to do bug reporting and keeping incontact with their community.(higher cost better benefiths)
But maybe its easy to say as a consumer.
Chad gog vs Virgin Epic store
My main go to multiplayer game is Smite, so back in the day, I got an Epic Account to try Paragon, because it looked like it fit the niche but they shut the game down before I could really play it. Then I shrugged and went back to playing Smite. On Steam.
While it's understandable that competition is a must for pc gaming and steam NEEDS some competition in order for it to become better, you don't do exclusivity on pc. You'll only crash and burn hard if you try to do so.
egs looks at playstation, xbox, and nintendo thinking "why can't i do that?", because pc is freedom
it's about user's choice, not corporate's choice
Damn I actually forgot about that game launcher.
This video offers more than the EGS
Genuinely can’t tell if this guy narrating is a tts voice or not
500k channel quality content
I have epic games solely for the free games, and at this point, my EGS library is far larger than my Steam library.
Then again, I have never spent a cent in it, so who knows
Watching this in 2023 and EGS still is lacking basic features such as profile pictures.
To put that into perspective, Nintendo Online has profile pictures.
Great video!
Nice video you earned a sub.
Honestly I only got EGS just for fortnite and satisfactory because I thought satisfactory was COMPLETELY exclusive to the EGS but i looked on steam and it was there so now I just use it for Fortnite
I'll never forget metro exodus being pulled off of steam 2 weeks prior to its release (while they kept publishing promotional material through the steam community feature) and all the chaos that resulted. Not to mention one of the execs saying that if pc gamers didn't buy it from epic, they would stop making games for pc altogether. Very smart to attack the people who want to give you money. This is why I just straight up am not buying their games anymore, including exodus. If I want it that badly, I will just use alternative methods.
For me, I have "Epic Games" store installed only for the free stuff like the Discord Nitro thing they pushed like a year ago. It's the only thing really keeping them "alive" from my perspective
They don't even have to stop buying exclusivity entirely, if they bought 2-6 weeks instead of a year they would get a large portion of the initial sales with much less backlash.
Another thing about egs, they can lock you out of your account for no reason. They locked me out claiming that they could not confirm that I was the original creator and boom my account locked. Exactly why this happened, probably because I left their support team as bad with an issue I was having since they literally offered nothing. What I learned, when and if I do get my account back, I don't contact support over issues since they might just ban my account and never spend a dime there and try to switch to steam ASAP. Right now playing online games is a bit of an issue for me since my internet is awful but hopefully that changed when I switch countries. I actually planned to once buy from egs due to the giant library of free games I've built but after getting a few games on steam I'm thinking to sell it cheap to someone who wants to buy it, a friend or so and warn them to not contact support since instead of helping they'll try to take away your account.
Note: satisfactory is on steam anyway!
not sure if it was at the time of this video
It's funny how Epic treats games as if it was a console, game consoles have differences beyond exclusive games where you buy the sum of everything rather than only the exclusives, if your only difference is being worse than the competition then don't expect the temporal exclusives to carry.
I've been saying it since the very beginning - EGS does not even have HALF the features that Steam offers, and the only thing EGS provided was a lower income tax for greedy publishers.
When it launched, it had none of the features that Steam established as a standard.
No reviews, no achievements, no marketplace, no dedicated discussion board for each game, no screenshot hosting, and no shopping cart, just to name a few.
Let's ignore the rest of these features, like the "social" ones, and think about this for a moment: EGS, a digital store that wants to compete with Steam, doesn't even have a shopping cart, a BASIC FEATURE of EVERY online shopping website, or at least a vast majority of them. Wtf.
Why y'all freaking out about exclusivity deals? Everyone accepts it when Nintendo and Sony do it (and tie it to their > $300 hardware) but here it comes at no additional expense to you.
But many people wanted to escape away exclusivity by buying games on steam but yet epic games just have to piss off many people by turning pc gaming
Into console gaming by forcing people to use their shit launcher which sure will be remember as one of the worst moments ever to happen for 2019 gaming.
it's really embarrassing, i used epic to play diabotical and unreal tournament 4 tech demo and both are dead at this point, (UT4 TBH was doomed to fail before fortnite BR was a thing) steam for everything else, if i want to play oddworld soulstorm i rather use steam instead and wait a year for oddworld soulstorm to come out on steam.
Ty for this. Now come back
As of the time of writing this comment (April 27, 2022) Shopping Cart has now been implemented on EGS so who knows? Maybe in 5 years it will have as many features as Steam/GoG Galaxy have today.
when torrenting is faster than downloading the game from EGS:
I only come on epic to claim the free games
Shits rough, I haven’t bought a single game on the store, my entire library is games I’ve gotten for free.
One is known for quality, the other fortnite
Where did this narrator go? Like seriously, can the guy who voiced this video be the main channel dude?
Why we even call it epic store, if it is Tencent, chinese crap? Epic is over. Since they cancel games production it is no more worth thinking of.
I LOVE Borderlands but I just could not care less about Borderlands 3 and Wonderlands release. I have them both now on Steam and love BL3. Haven’t sat down and played Wonderlands yet really though, partly cause of the mixed reception to the end game and how the DLCs have been received.
the video was so good i forgot the youtuber that made the video has 4k subs
the only reason i have the egs on my PC is for gta 5. i got that years ago before i even had a pc. currently i’m using a mod menu whenever i play, and i’m kinda half hoping i get banned one day just for a reason to delete the whole launcher and buy the game on steam. i hate having so many different launchers nowadays
Tim Sweeney starts making epic store for big income and getting money from forcing people to buy it only on epic
Gabe Newel starts making Steam for playing Portal, TF2, HL and CSGO and for big income and getting money from selling games on that platform too..... but on other platforms too...
ALL MY HOMIES HATE EXCLUSIVITY DEALS!
The only reason I have EGS is the free games. I'd buy the game on steam still esp if I had fun with it. Steam is just unbeatable in terms of features
duke nukem takin shit about egs for 15 min
One positive side about valve is how open they are to testing out literally anything, even if it’s harmful. Sure this has resulted in some terrible practices like paid mods but it has also given us less terrible features like the steam marketplace and steam early access program. Regardless of the controversies both of these systems have been in, they have contributed massively to steam’s growth as a platform. Epic isn’t so open to trying out any new idea and so their store has stayed relatively the same since launch (which means no incentive to use it over their much more extensive competitor outside of pricing)
Guys the answer is simple... Unreal tournament. We just need a new one, and a good one.
Epic is too lazy to make their own exclusives so they force others to do it
Tf2 just sipping on the fountain of youth to keep from dying
TF2 might just be the mythical fountain of youth, it has been hiding in plain sight
i just watched this like 2h ago and it was fine but now its age restricted for some reason
the only time I cracked with the epic store was with borderlands 3. other than that time years ago, I will never buy any games off of epic unless it somehow becomes better than steam
I have about 50 games from Epic, and I've paid for 0 of them
and how many of them have you played?
hell yea
I only use the epic games store to play 3 games, which two of them were on Steam but removed by Epic and I hate that because I feel that would be easy to have those games run on a platform that has most of my Pc games, and also the user icon in some game are not available (For example Rocket League). Hope those game come back to steam soon.
Thank god that I bought Rocket League & Fall Guys on Steam before they got removed
The reason why epic games sucks is because the ui is horrible and anti consumer, forcing developers to add ingame chats and friend tabs to be able to play with friends. On steam all I have to do is click shift+tab.
The only reason why i uss egs is for the free games they give out. Games like Alien Isolation, Tombraider and Gta5 made me actually use the thing but outside of that buying anything from from them is something i will not do no matter how tempted i am to buy Dead Island 2 on there
Saw darkest dungeon 2 is an exclusive.
Really like that game.
Too bad I have to wait a year, but bleeding out a bad company is worth it.
I bought Darkest Dungeon 2 on Epic at release, still haven´t played it, I just wanted to support Red Hook
I honestly didn't care about Epic untill they made the two games that I waited for exclusive, the games being Metro Exodus and Borderlands 3. Once I saw that, I just swore to myself never to use them even if they give me all the games for free. I genuinely hope they fade away so that we can get games property.
Turns out making your platform a burden to consumers (you have to use EGS or wait a year to buy an exclusive) is a very bad way of getting people to use your platform. Why would I want to buy anything on EGS when I already have a bad association with it as the app I was forced to download to buy a game I wanted to play on release.
Shit EPIC does by the money they gather from kids and their Vbucks