I think the native move is great . I’ve been meaning to buy a waves interface and now finally I can get the best of both worlds without keeping to unplugging my uad Apollo twin x set up at home✌🏾
Thanks Wayne! I was looking into buying a UAD plugin, and noticed some are "Apollo" and some are "Apollo/Native", so you explained excellently the difference! Thanks
This is all true for the most part. However, there is one nuanced difference between the Native vs Apollo plugins. This difference is with the set of plugins that are classified as *_Unison_* plugins. Of all UA's plugins, currently only 15 are also Unison level plugins. This means that the Apollo version of these plugins will actually reconfigure the Apollo's channel preamp, at the hardware level, to emulate the impedance and gain settings of the actual hardware made by the original manufacturer. The Native versions cannot do this. This has implications for how a particular mic/pickup will sound. Other than the Unison group of plugins, the new Apple Mx CPUs can likely handle most peoples' Native plugin processing load without the need of Apollo DSP hardware.
Cool. It is helpful as far as the recommendation of the Apollo Twin Audio-Interface is concerned, but I already have so many plugins (Waves, iZotope, Baby Audio, and many more) so that I wouldn’t need further plugins, but I’d be glad to own a UA-Apollo Twin Audio Interface. It seems I can’t buy it without all the plugins for a good price here in Europe. Your videos are great quality and I like especially those ones that deal with Logic, as I have that DAW. THANX.
I believe DSP was a gimmick to get you to buy the hardware. Run 100 instances of the Native plugin and run a 100 instances of the DSP ones. You will find that you can run way more native with less CPU than the DSP with hardware.
well yeah lol in order to that you'd need a dsp system as spec'd as a computer that can even run 100 instances of a plugin in the first place to make a comparison. also the point of dsp was never really with a mix session in mind, it was always using the recording process as its selling point
Not one mention of the unison inputs. Last I checked that’s where the majority of the money you are spending is going to be honest the big selling point for me was the unison inputs more so than the DSP. Now UA needs to make a Unison plug-in/no DSP units. Which should bring down the price of the units as well.
@@tylerdengler6960 that’s true. To be honest my main point is that people are putting videos up comparing the plugins when they are going to be the exact same plug-in. The proof should be that not every DSP plug-in is made by UA. They should say the only differences (when all of the UA plugs are in spark) will be the DSP and the Unison. Which the unison inputs to me were the bigger selling point for my Apollo units over the dsp.
the question is, how in the world can i download the uad plugins that i bought and use them in another computer without the apollo😖😖😖😖😖 uad needs to have a customer service call center😖😖😖
Hmmm.... Native is digital and DSP is digital... wait what? Isn't PLUGIN a digital thing? Does the UAD Apollo affect the output/quality of the audio? I believe the Focusrite doesn't add anything in my mixes on output - not even on export processing. Correct me if I'm wrong. Haha
your interface has no effect on that, however how you hear your mixes matters and converters help with that for sure. besides that running things dsp takes an immense load of your computer and allows for tracking options that for some might not even be possible.
It's well appreciated cause it wasn't making no sense to still be latched to DSPs when we got computers and macs with processors that's hella powerful. Now I'm curious when are they gonna make the same move for LUNA. We all know they're gonna eventually let her come outside too lol.
For me it does not make sense due to computing power of the laptop. What concerns me most if the new Windows plugins are going to be VST3 since Steinberg supports VST2 for another year or so. If not I might have to switch to the subscribtion or buy a Mac with M1. Anyway it will turn out to be no good for me or costly. Also I own most of the plugins shown in your video. I have two USB Twin Duos hooked up to my Laptop to double DSP. As far as I know there are no other USB Interfaces of UAD. For the desktop there would be some internal cards but I do not want to use the desktop anymore. My UAD reseller told me that Thunderbolt cards for Windows won‘t work. As I look at it at the moment for me it turns out to a M1 and sell the Twins. With the M1 USB? UAD equals money somehow.
Wtf the Apollo twin only has a core 2 duo in it? For as expensive as they are you would figure they would have at least a current gen 6 cor 12 thread cpu in them.
can you record zero latency through plugins and print in real time? I own both but UAD has never been aimed to be the mixing King, they've always played to the recording side of things.
@@thebeatmajors_yt other interfaces do zero latency also... UAD is overhyped, holler at me I can show you what you need but UAD is a waste bro...trust me I’m a vet.
I support UAD.. My Question is can i use the native plugins in my Apollo twin?? I still use the legacy plugins when tracking vocals.. I want to test the Neve eq and the other La 2a compressors when tracking my vocals and some instruments.
Wym by in? As in using the processing from the Twin? You can use the native plugins with any interface, but the processing will be done by computer instead of the Apollo.
if you're talking about recording in console, no because that process is done using the dsp, maybe they'll change that but that could create round trip time issues
False, do a null test with both the native and DSP versions and they’ll cancel each other out. This has been debunked multiple times with Universal Audio confirming that both versions use the exact same algorithm.
Plugin Alliance has like 180 plugins for 250.00 a year.....so I will be waiting to see how UA prices this subscription when they have a equal offering of plugins.
Can I buy the native version? I ditched uad over a year ago but I miss the 2500. I HATE subscriptions, especially considering I only want the 2500 out of the bundle.
@@tylerdengler6960 I have API Vision Channel (both old and new versions). Do I still need API 2500 comp, or is it the same that's in this channel strip?
@@gaborkiss1425 what’s your use case? It depends on your workflow. Having both will definitely help. The API 2500 and the compressor in the Vision Channel Strip are different compressors. The good news is that both of those are on UAD Spark currently and free if you already own the DSP versions of those plugins.
Hopefully they'll get smart and do a Windows version and take advantage of that market, but I understand they want to prove this model works. Looking forward to your video directly comparing them.
I own thousands of dollars worth of their plugins. I should be able to use them without constant internet connection when I'm working remotely or without sacrificing one the 3 ports on my laptop for a frkn iLok dongle. Plugin Alliance still wins for this reason alone. Universal Audio....Let. Us. Authorize. Our. Computers.
Thank you my qustions are what happens to unison feature and are or will the preamps in our apollos makes sense anymore if not and anyway im about to buy the ssl big six and go unison thru that should be a big step up just some thoughts ...peace
Yo. Perfect question.. Will they have a button to toggle between dsp and native? Or in case I pull up a session at a different studio with no dsp I can switch em to native, or its automatic? ...my 2 cents...
As of right now, no. The native and DSP versions are separate plugins with the same algorithm. It would definitely be cool, but I don’t exactly know how well it can be executed in practice.
@@ankeviousoliver4472 but, you still have the Neve 1073 available as a Unison plugin so that shouldn’t really affect you unless you don’t want to be attached to an Apollo interface or UAD Satellite to use the Unison/DSP plugins.
I like where UAD is going. But, Still trying to figure out why UAD continues to introduce their own software, Mac first and then Windows later… as Native product this should have been available to all operating systems… 🤔 Hell I’m still waiting on Luna to be available for Windows, which I think this is a slap in the face to Windows users that have invested in UAD hardware and plugins
I think the native move is great . I’ve been meaning to buy a waves interface and now finally I can get the best of both worlds without keeping to unplugging my uad Apollo twin x set up at home✌🏾
Love this move as an Apollo X owner... Always need more dsp for 1176 and LA-2A on vocals cause i always run out of DSP so now that problem is solved
Until today, I had no clue what native meant lol 🔥
Busy you know that UAD trash.
Today years old... LOL
@@bigdap100 trash? You’re tripping real hard
@@BR_READDY225 how so?
The fact you can use studio rack on waves with these UAD plugins are a game changer
Damn word ? Oh yea let me get that subscription
Thanks for the clarification Wayne... good to know UAD is letting DSP owners get the native plugins for free.
Thanks Wayne! I was looking into buying a UAD plugin, and noticed some are "Apollo" and some are "Apollo/Native", so you explained excellently the difference! Thanks
This is all true for the most part. However, there is one nuanced difference between the Native vs Apollo plugins. This difference is with the set of plugins that are classified as *_Unison_* plugins. Of all UA's plugins, currently only 15 are also Unison level plugins.
This means that the Apollo version of these plugins will actually reconfigure the Apollo's channel preamp, at the hardware level, to emulate the impedance and gain settings of the actual hardware made by the original manufacturer. The Native versions cannot do this. This has implications for how a particular mic/pickup will sound.
Other than the Unison group of plugins, the new Apple Mx CPUs can likely handle most peoples' Native plugin processing load without the need of Apollo DSP hardware.
Cool. It is helpful as far as the recommendation of the Apollo Twin Audio-Interface is concerned, but I already have so many plugins (Waves, iZotope, Baby Audio, and many more) so that I wouldn’t need further plugins, but I’d be glad to own a UA-Apollo Twin Audio Interface. It seems I can’t buy it without all the plugins for a good price here in Europe.
Your videos are great quality and I like especially those ones that deal with Logic, as I have that DAW. THANX.
what can spark be used for if I don't have a apollo or volt ? podcasts editing ? can I use it in logic ? Final Cut ? I do video
🤔An M1 Mac is $589. It can probably run 200 plugs. An Apollo is 2x as much & can only run 2 or 3 plugs per SHARC Chip...don’t get the UAD hype 🤷🏾♂️.
I believe DSP was a gimmick to get you to buy the hardware. Run 100 instances of the Native plugin and run a 100 instances of the DSP ones. You will find that you can run way more native with less CPU than the DSP with hardware.
well yeah lol in order to that you'd need a dsp system as spec'd as a computer that can even run 100 instances of a plugin in the first place to make a comparison. also the point of dsp was never really with a mix session in mind, it was always using the recording process as its selling point
So is the Unison feature all cap? Or is that still an advantage of having the actual hardware?
ty....most clearly put video on youtube ....straight to it...
i hate subscription based anything...
yo that thumbnail is fire!! reminds me of oldie MK!!!
Wavy it’s time to create your own plugins. Wavy compressor, EQ or reverb. Make sure your plugins make a difference!!!
Not one mention of the unison inputs. Last I checked that’s where the majority of the money you are spending is going to be honest the big selling point for me was the unison inputs more so than the DSP. Now UA needs to make a Unison plug-in/no DSP units. Which should bring down the price of the units as well.
Tell me how that would be possible because you need DSP to utilize the Unison technology where both of them are tied in together.
@@tylerdengler6960 that’s true. To be honest my main point is that people are putting videos up comparing the plugins when they are going to be the exact same plug-in. The proof should be that not every DSP plug-in is made by UA. They should say the only differences (when all of the UA plugs are in spark) will be the DSP and the Unison. Which the unison inputs to me were the bigger selling point for my Apollo units over the dsp.
True. I appreciate being able record to through compressor and delay verb on recoding vocals and choose to record it or not. No latency
Great video and info! Can you buy uad native plugin w/out a spark subscription?
it doesn't matter if you waves or a AUD user we all get to the same destination just take different streets to get there
I paid $1800 for my RME UFX.
...I don’t understand UAD🤷🏾♂️
🤔Apogee Element 46, all the plugs came free & track real time, add the M1 Mac Mini...it’s still cheaper than Apollo.
...I don’t understand UAD🤷🏾♂️
then dont buy it 😂
@@thebeatmajors_yt why you mad.
I think it's a good think to note that it's coming to Windows fall 2022
the question is, how in the world can i download the uad plugins that i bought and use them in another computer without the apollo😖😖😖😖😖 uad needs to have a customer service call center😖😖😖
Can I use the neve preamp native to record
the way the hardware does with the Unison preamps, no. As an insert like you would any other "virtual preamp" yes.
Just bought the Satellite Octo with a beast of a computer, I guess that’s what I think 🤷🏾 lol.
Will latency be an issue with the native versions? Running a 10-core M1, what should I expect? Dsp helped free up cpu to reduce latency.
Latency will be an issue across the board with any software, I don't think it'll be waves level greedy but then again it could.
@@thebeatmajors_yt plugin alliance plugin is very small so uad should be the same
That’s where the unison shines
Hmmm.... Native is digital and DSP is digital... wait what? Isn't PLUGIN a digital thing? Does the UAD Apollo affect the output/quality of the audio? I believe the Focusrite doesn't add anything in my mixes on output - not even on export processing.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Haha
your interface has no effect on that, however how you hear your mixes matters and converters help with that for sure. besides that running things dsp takes an immense load of your computer and allows for tracking options that for some might not even be possible.
Wish they had it to where you could just buy the plug-in instead of subscription
if you buy the original plugin, you dont have to buy the subscription, you just download connect and download the plugin you bought
It's well appreciated cause it wasn't making no sense to still be latched to DSPs when we got computers and macs with processors that's hella powerful. Now I'm curious when are they gonna make the same move for LUNA. We all know they're gonna eventually let her come outside too lol.
LUNA somewhat already has made those moves, but I don’t see it being available without the hardware (Apollos and Satellites).
For me it does not make sense due to computing power of the laptop. What concerns me most if the new Windows plugins are going to be VST3 since Steinberg supports VST2 for another year or so. If not I might have to switch to the subscribtion or buy a Mac with M1. Anyway it will turn out to be no good for me or costly. Also I own most of the plugins shown in your video. I have two USB Twin Duos hooked up to my Laptop to double DSP. As far as I know there are no other USB Interfaces of UAD. For the desktop there would be some internal cards but I do not want to use the desktop anymore. My UAD reseller told me that Thunderbolt cards for Windows won‘t work. As I look at it at the moment for me it turns out to a M1 and sell the Twins. With the M1 USB? UAD equals money somehow.
Wtf the Apollo twin only has a core 2 duo in it? For as expensive as they are you would figure they would have at least a current gen 6 cor 12 thread cpu in them.
mannnn thanks alot for the breakdown
🤔My cheapest M1 Mac, Antelope Zen Go, and Melda Essentials Bundle
✅Cheaper✅Sounds Better ✅More Utility. I don’t get the UAD hype.🤷🏾♂️
🤔Plug-in Alliance Subscription is $150, you get a $200 voucher, you get $400 in $20 increments for plugs also.
Sorry....I don’t understand UAD🤷🏾♂️.
can you record zero latency through plugins and print in real time? I own both but UAD has never been aimed to be the mixing King, they've always played to the recording side of things.
@@thebeatmajors_yt other interfaces do zero latency also...
UAD is overhyped, holler at me I can show you what you need but UAD is a waste bro...trust me I’m a vet.
I support UAD.. My Question is can i use the native plugins in my Apollo twin?? I still use the legacy plugins when tracking vocals.. I want to test the Neve eq and the other La 2a compressors when tracking my vocals and some instruments.
Wym by in? As in using the processing from the Twin? You can use the native plugins with any interface, but the processing will be done by computer instead of the Apollo.
if you're talking about recording in console, no because that process is done using the dsp, maybe they'll change that but that could create round trip time issues
DSP plugins are much smoother on the top end and add that mojo
False, do a null test with both the native and DSP versions and they’ll cancel each other out. This has been debunked multiple times with Universal Audio confirming that both versions use the exact same algorithm.
They can be, if they are in the Unison slot and support Unison.
Otherwise, no way.
@@gaborkiss1425 not really. The only pro with Unison is higher impedance that can help with low to zero-latency tracking and recording.
@@tylerdengler6960 How can it be helpful then?
@@gaborkiss1425 for the native or DSP plugins?
Plugin Alliance has like 180 plugins for 250.00 a year.....so I will be waiting to see how UA prices this subscription when they have a equal offering of plugins.
Yeah not to mention they give you a $250 voucher
all uad plugins unlocked
I see i got a to learn was lost but understood enough
NAIL ON THE HEAD....... "AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE" EVERY AUDIO ENGINEERS GOAL OR SHOULD BE 😎💯
unless you have a permanent in house set up
Can I buy the native version? I ditched uad over a year ago but I miss the 2500.
I HATE subscriptions, especially considering I only want the 2500 out of the bundle.
Nope, only subscription-based. But, you get the native plugins free if you own the DSP versions.
@@tylerdengler6960 I have API Vision Channel (both old and new versions).
Do I still need API 2500 comp, or is it the same that's in this channel strip?
@@gaborkiss1425 what’s your use case? It depends on your workflow. Having both will definitely help. The API 2500 and the compressor in the Vision Channel Strip are different compressors. The good news is that both of those are on UAD Spark currently and free if you already own the DSP versions of those plugins.
Hopefully they'll get smart and do a Windows version and take advantage of that market, but I understand they want to prove this model works. Looking forward to your video directly comparing them.
They are in the fall
I own thousands of dollars worth of their plugins. I should be able to use them without constant internet connection when I'm working remotely or without sacrificing one the 3 ports on my laptop for a frkn iLok dongle. Plugin Alliance still wins for this reason alone. Universal Audio....Let. Us. Authorize. Our. Computers.
I agree, I went the plugin alliance route. Even got quite a bit of their plugins due to the mega sale going on rn!
Not wavy using Uad plugins
Thank you my qustions are what happens to unison feature and are or will the preamps in our apollos makes sense anymore if not and anyway im about to buy the ssl big six and go unison thru that should be a big step up just some thoughts ...peace
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Yo. Perfect question.. Will they have a button to toggle between dsp and native? Or in case I pull up a session at a different studio with no dsp I can switch em to native, or its automatic? ...my 2 cents...
As of right now, no. The native and DSP versions are separate plugins with the same algorithm. It would definitely be cool, but I don’t exactly know how well it can be executed in practice.
SSL kicking that a lol
🤔My Prism Sound Atlas was cheaper than an Apollo 8.
Yeah no, I don’t get the UAD hype...🤷🏾♂️
Are UAD Native Plugins The Same As DSP
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My question is with the native plugin can we still insert something like the neve 1073 as a unison preamp?
You can’t use the native plugins in a Unison slot since Unison is only exclusive to the DSP.
@@tylerdengler6960 copy. Thanks bro
@@ankeviousoliver4472 but, you still have the Neve 1073 available as a Unison plugin so that shouldn’t really affect you unless you don’t want to be attached to an Apollo interface or UAD Satellite to use the Unison/DSP plugins.
I like where UAD is going. But, Still trying to figure out why UAD continues to introduce their own software, Mac first and then Windows later… as Native product this should have been available to all operating systems… 🤔
Hell I’m still waiting on Luna to be available for Windows, which I think this is a slap in the face to Windows users that have invested in UAD hardware and plugins
I spent thousands and I am not happy
That’s a lot.
talk talk
Mac only that sucks yo !!!!