Pav Bhaji is Not INDIAN? Surprising Origin & History of Indian Food - FutureIQ
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Why Indian food is the best? The answer lies in the weird and surprising history of the Indian food. Let's understand how our beloved spices, potatoes, and many other things that are so ingrained in the Indian culture don't have Indian origins. Most of these came quite recently in India. This is a fascinating tale of the history of Indian food and its links to many historical events worldwide.
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Lingayats are 20 % of Karnataka population They are strict vegetarian since thousands of years
Also they’re are huge numbers of Jains ( local Kannada ones not Rajasthan immigrant Jains ) in Karnataka since millennia who are also vegetarian
@3:48, brother has been alive for nearly 160+years. He just "remembered" something from the 1860s
Agree with everything here. As a pre-cursor to this, the cotton mill workers or the labor class were also working for British as butlers and kitchen staff. They had plenty leftover of bread, potato and butter in the colonial kitchens and the vegetarians among the staff repurposed those, added local spices to make more it palatable to the Indian tastes and created dishes such as PavBhaji and Vada Pav and so on. This was probably multiplied as it was easy to scale and mass produce these recipes due to them not being that labor intensive, particularly like it is in making roti/chapathi.
Sorry, the word PAV comes from the hindi, for quarter. When I was growing up in Mumbai , pav bread always meant quarter pound of bread, and we would exchange our wheat rations for bread.
No, that word comes from the Portuguese, pão, meaning bread.
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Welcome aboard!
Which buddhist country in the world is predominanyly vegetarian,. If buddhism introduced vegetarianism in India
Very interesting, guys. An eye opener.
16:10 So how we can decide, what is healthy and what is not. As per Rules of Ayurveda & Our Genetics.
Ayurveda suggests
Hita bhuk, Mita bhuk, Kaala bhuk.
Eat simple, easily digestible food, eat moderately, eat timely meals.
Also discuss how we can control the population growth by food
Can you tell me wat was the food in india 400 years ago
Afghanistan was part of India till 8th century AD . Since Vedic ages .
This Potato 🥔 Speaker and Tomato 🍅 Interviewer don't belong to India I think😅
I think you don't have your own lingam it belongs to someone else
it is not patato it is potatos
Afganistan is india....what do you mean by saying juicy red carrot came from Afganistan???
Actually not. Afghanistan is not India. It's another country.
Hey you are displaying fake smile a lot yaar , control it when some serious subject is discussed with a mature person a respect should be present please learn
Twisting history na..... Not allowed!!!!
History is already twisted enough-no need for us to twist it more
@@TheFutureIQso we should take it all with a pinch of salt
so you are a historian on food but you not making sense he just want a audiance indian pull down india
While most Indians are non-vegetarian, for most people, the dominant diet is still predominantly vegetarian with a few non vegetarian treats in between. I guess this is because of abundance of vegetables available in India and the comparative price of meat.
I have noticed that during the Onam festival in Kerala, most of the dishes have more or less native ingredients or at least pre European contact. There have been some odd additions here and there but definitely some purist Head chefs who will not use things like carrots in Avial.
Some of the ingredients being
### **Vegetables:**
1. **Yam (Chena)**
2. **Ash Gourd (Kumbalanga)**
3. **Plantain (Ethakka)**
4. **Snake Gourd (Padavalanga)**
5. **Drumstick (Muringakka)**
6. **Elephant Foot Yam (Suran)**
7. **Cucumber (Vellarikka)**
8. **Pumpkin (Mathanga)**
9. **Coconut (Thenga)**
### **Legumes and Pulses:**
1. **Green Gram (Cherupayar)**
2. **Red Cowpeas (Vanpayar)** - I mean they aren’t technically native but been around for a while.
3. **Toor Dal (Thuvara Parippu)**
4. **Bengal Gram (Kadala)**
### **Spices:**
1. **Black Pepper (Kurumulaku)**
2. **Cumin (Jeerakam)**
3. **Mustard Seeds (Kaduku)**
4. **Fenugreek (Uluva)**
5. **Curry Leaves (Kariveppila)**
6. **Turmeric (Manjal)**
7. **Ginger (Inji)**
9. **Tamarind (Puli)**
### **Fruits:**
1. **Banana (for chips and as a fruit)**
2. **Raw Mango (for pickles)**
### **Grains:**
1. **Rice (Pachari or Kerala Matta Rice)**
### **Other Ingredients:**
1. **Coconut Oil (Thenga Enna)**
2. **Jaggery (Sharkara)**
3. **Rice Flour (for preparing Pappadam)**
Buddhism never introduced vegetarianism. In fact Buddhist countries eat almost every crawling , running and flying , swimming creatures.
Viz. Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, srilanka , China, Burma, Korea, Japan etc.
Jainism and vaishnavism has introduced vegetarianism to India. Talking abt Buddhism is considered to be liberalism these days thays why nonsensical things r spoken in the name of Buddhism. The Jai bheems of india eat meat too.
The native vegetables of India are usually cooked during the ceremony after death. Sweet potato, plantain, arbi, Val papdi, suran are some of veggies other than the ones you mentioned. Even though India gave world sugar, the Orthodox families never ate it. They used jaggery. This was because sugar was bleached using bone ash (don't know if it is still done)
I also learned that Kafli wheat is the original wheat that was grown in ancient times. The millets were also used back then.
Life was not as grim as that after all. People had simple lifestyles too back then. 😊
In conclusion, Pav Bhaji is Indian. Same with Gobi Manchurian, Jalebi, Samosa, Biryani, butter Chicken etc. These have all been created with it's own flair in India.
good joke .. cruel aryan invaders from persia brought some of these to india
@@riddunyra4373i am South Indian, u dont have to descriminiate North indians. Even BR ambedkar has said aryan invasion is false
@@kiki40665 even ambedkar, savarkar wrote in their books that aryan invasion is true .. hindu(aryan) kings came from persia to india, after alexander started killing all pagan false gods in persia
@@riddunyra4373 do u even know what ur talking about ? Aryan means king, I tried checking ur source, didn't find it in any authentic books or newa of savarkar, also savarkar himself was a hardcore hindu, why would he dig his own grave. Pagans means idol worship, hinduism was never about idol worship, god is a medium not the ultimate, dharma, karma and thruth are the ultimate. Also, we have murthy( reflection of god) pooja, not idols. Cruel, do u think South Indian kings were weak or something, cholas, cheras, pallavas, pandyas, satavahanas, Kakatiya were also called aryans in mahabharat, entire indian have some genes from persians, iranian, African genes in them. Don't bother with such fake fables and get on with ur lifes and live without discrimination, even if aryan invasion were true, will u discriminate present day North people?
Sir, you are going too overboard with disclaiming many of the Indian dishes and sweets of its origin as non-Indian. Gulab Jamun was made back in the 10th-11th century. It is mentioned in the Sanskrit book called "Manasollasa" written by a Kalyani-Chalukyan prince of south-India. It is exactly the same recipe, except it is made of milk derived paneer and not reduced milk khoya. Please do you research better the next time.
You are describing something that ain't 'gulab' jamun, they used cardamom as flavoring. Plus this was in the 11th century when Indian kings of the peninsula were ruling much of modern day south-east Asia and trading heavily with the Arabs and Africans.
@@DevduttShenoi Yes, Southern Indian rulers were ruling much of South East Asia in the 11th Century. So what's the inference? What are you trying to indicate?
@@KAR5759they were heavily influenced by trade with foreign nations, trade brings about sharing of ideas(recipes)
Much of modern day South Indian foods didn't exist in the staple diets of our ancestors
@@DevduttShenoi ok.
@@DevduttShenoi So, is there a similar looking/tasting sweet in some part of SE Asia which resembles the Gulab Jamun?
I rarely unsubscribe. Now this really seems to build abstract logics just to get more views. It would have been better if you stop tweaking your language just for views. You are very intellectual and you can grow being honest as well.
You are offended by this? Go check on net, everything is true
To think how narrow minded our ancestors were, entire villages in Goa, Vasai and near Mangalore were considered to have become irretrievably impure because the Portuguese dropped pieces of paav into their wells. Consumifng water laced with bread was considered by Hindus to be a form of baptism and banishment from community. The affected families had no option but to embrace Christianity. Hence the derogatory term paav-wala for Christians. Circa 2024, everyone and their holiest pandit/purohit smack down vada paav or paav bhaaji.
While this is true, let's not be too harsh: narrow minded people are not confined just to our past, nor are they confined just to our country. They are everywhere and exist even now. -@Navin
They could have just done some purification ceremonies which was quite common when mistakes were made. I feel there's more to this story
Only a few minority communities in Tamil Nadu are vegetarian (2-3% vegetarian must be right). All the coastal states have a large fish-eating population (including Gujarat). Although many people in India are non-vegetarian, they don't consume non-vegetarian food in each meal for various reasons.
Good points. -@Navin
Completely agree with you.
As a person, who has lived, practically all his life in TN, I barely met anyone ( except TamBrahms) who is a tamilan and is veg.
Its srill Indian. Its like saying that Trinidad Pelau (pulao) isn't Trinidadian because the dish came from India, even though Indians don't make Pulao like that.
You can 100% acknowledge the origins and who brought it AND YOU SHOULD but the dish is ULTIMATELY Still very much Indian.
I tell interesting things about Vada Pav.
* Pav is not indian
*Vada is south indian
* See properly and tell me the round ball inside pav. Is it vada? In south india it is called Urulai Bonda i.e aloo bonda. 😂
If you go to Portugal, it's not a common dish there, therefore it's an Indian dish, regardless.
@@bobbyeapen6049 Got influence from European and South Indian. But gave wrong name for the dish.
@@SivaguruP-o1c If you go back into history, far enough, you will realize, that something came from somewhere else, so to only identify Indigenous foods as your own, is foolish and lacks a deeper understanding of how things are linked and related.
You are contradicting yourself agreed that ingredients of Pav Bhaji are of foreign origin, but as you said it originated in Mumbai for meal of mill workers , so how can ot be called a foregin dish?Also you didn't mention that Pav Bhaj also has Indian vegetables like green peas , by that logic there are many dishes in India which have Potatoes in it , so should they also be called as foreign dishes ? Does that make Kaachi Dabeli also a foreign dish?
🤣🤣🤣🤣. Nicely promoting western agenda. You will have woke followers.
Get lost.
please provide link on your Vimeo before your channel gets taken down for Anti Nationalist reason.
Some people might also say some Indians came from Europe thousands of years ago, by this logic Navin is also not Indian.Also brown peas were green at some point right?
You are right in the fact that so many of our basic ingredients originated in the Americas or other parts of the old world. But saying certain food items are "not Indian" because the ingredients are of ultimately foreign origins is like saying that the native dishes of all the countries of the world are really not native to those nations if they use chicken and chicken-eggs (the domestic fowl is a native of India, and was domesticated here) but are actually all "Indian" dishes. Likewise all sweet dishes from every country in the world, which use cane sugar (brown or white or jaggery) are "Indian" and do not belong to those countries. Or that all dishes from all over the world which use black pepper are ultimately really "Indian" dishes. And so on.
Yes, extremely important vegetables and fruits and even spices came from outside in their ultimate origin. But so many others important all over the world are native to India. So many of the citrous fruits, and the gourd vegetables, for example and so many more were native to India. Countless important ingredients are native jointly to India and SEA or jointly to India and China or to all three of these (bananas, mangoes, coconuts, tea, rice, etc.) , but are extremely important in dishes all over the world, which does not mean that dishes using those ingredients are really "Indo-Chinese" dishes.
Vegetarianism is mentioned in Mahabharata...it is very ancient...Buddhism / Jainism only took fr what the ancients had already said...Kindly research..."The earliest reference to the idea of ahimsa or non-violence to animals (pashu-ahimsa) in any literature, apparently in a moral sense, is found in the Kapisthala Katha Samhita of the Yajurveda (KapS 31.11), written about the 8th century BCE. The Shatapatha Brahmana contains one of the earliest statements against meat eating, and the Chāndogya Upaniṣad, has an injunction against killing 'all living entities'. Injunctions against meat-eating also appear in the Dharmasutras."
They won't understand this. The leftists are trying hard. These are prime examples of that. For example, flour in Western civilization is only taken for bread or cake, but in the Indian context, you can make innumerable amounts of things. Potatoes didn't exist in India, but Sambhust (sanskrit for Samaosa) did. We had kheer but not rice and milk. Does that make sense. These leftist are trying hard.
The great thing about the Vedic religion is that it was "open-source": lots of people contributed to it. There is even atheism in it. But something being mentioned in the Vedas does not mean that it was practiced widely. So yes, vegetarianism is mentioned: but it wasn't mainstream until Jains and Buddhists made it so.
-navin
16:48 You mentioned Eggplant i.e. Brinjal. It was not originally Indian, it was also brought by the Portuguese.
In fact the rest of the word thinks that the word "Brinjal" is an Indian English word, but it is actually the Portuguese word "Berinjela" which has now become Brinjal in India
What kind of Nonsense is Going on...Pav Bhaji is a Indian Street food Concept...Kuch bhi...is it a M8x n.Match combination goin on...is it now a Place for Just to be Systematically Disrespectful about Hindu Vedic Culture n Traditions
In a society that generally lacks scientific temper, please try to avoid - even if in jest or acting - pushing the regressive view that objective data are wrong or irrelevant in front of subjective opinion (9:56).
Just go to jagannath mandir puri and eat mahaprasad there is no outer vegetable is used in mahaprasad jay jagannath jay gajapati
The essential issue is not that pav bhaji not Indian, it is that it should not even be regarded as food. That thing that looks like bread might as well be made out of blotting paper -- it has zero texture or fiber, a goat would not eat it willingly, and is worse than Wonder Bread in the US. In the old days they say you could take a muslin sari made in Dhaka and pull it through a ring. I bet you could do the same thing with that double piece of the pav without separating the two parts. And as for the bhaji -- don't get me started. If Modi wants to promote Atmanirbharta and freeing India from all the bad things the white man did, he could start a campaign to get rid of pav bhaji.
Navin: gulab jamun pizza
Srikant: channel bandh karvaega ye😂
So every recipe in rest of the world that uses ingredients originating from India is Indian recipe?
What kind of shitty logic is that? Pav Bhaji is 100% indian. Ingredient is just ingredient. How you use it make the recette yours.
You guys are so much fun, you could make a kids channel as well.
I really had my eyebrows up when you counted Tamil Nadu in the list of vegetarian states
"many times we invent but most we just improve"
This channel is very insightful
How stupid this video is. They can't differentiate origin of ingredients and origin of a dish.
Great video !!
Doesn't most pav bhaji have peas, onion, ginger & garlic?
One thing is for sure. Indians are very creative and can whip up tasty dishes when given new and strange ingredients. They can alter the recipes and give it a Desi flair.....Indo Chinese for example. Indians are on the top when it comes to adaptability with given ingredients.
We had import restrictions a couple of decades ago and were not getting toor dal from India as there was a ban on it. Indian population never missed out on eating dal chawal then. They tweaked locally available split yellow peas and with the right spices made.excellent dal. 😊
I live abroad and have seen people putting extra tart strawberries into sambar. They make cranberry chutney.
When it comes to creativity, Indians take the gold. Nobody does it better ❤
Long time ago there were no humans beings in India. First human was African … so we are Africans???
That is 70k years ago, we are talking about 10k years max 30k years within India. The differential means, that these are two distinct groups.
Then What about research on oldest mouse who eats grains from kheti ( farmers land) found in Uttarpradesh land
Ingredients of pav bhaji might not be of the indian origin but the dish/recipe most certainly is indian.. that's like saying cinnamon latte is not actually and an Italian beverage because cinnamon originally came from india & Sri Lanka.. same logic could be applied to turmeric also, any recipe all over the world that uses turmeric would automatically be considered an Indian dish. Do you see problems with this logic?
Also I lived in Scotland for 2 years, even Scottish people consider chicken tikka masala as an Indian dish.. Probably because the chef who originally invented the dish was of Indian origin and he made it into an Indian curry style dish with all the indian spices
Actually by a Pakistani chef though he called it an 'Indian dish'.
I don't understand why people want to label all foods in Indian subcontinent that came from outside.
This is where I draw the line, I can't trust there other contents hereafter 😢😢
unless I am mistaken, Buddha died of pork poisoning
India was never vegetarian 😂
Haan bhai, we only used to grow rice, wheat, ragi, pulses and millets, and drink cow milk. Every vegetables were grown in America and European countries and bought here by slaves and introduced to us,
In reality until Europeans didn't find this vast land, we were still cave humans, uncivilized and what not
They are not wrong .
Do a quick Google search and you'll find the truth.
very narrow thinking speaker and many misinformation.
What about fish , was that also foreign origin🤣🤣🤣
what did the ancients in india eat then.seems like nothing was grown in india
Why is he saying patatoes
Because that's how potatoes is pronounced.
That mean Briyani is not indian food ?
It's because farmers sell different types of vegetables in GOA border areas
Varieties.. never heard of em
Different kind of Bhaji ,vada where there in coastal areas
MANGOES?????
I THOUGHT THT TOO WAS PORTUGUESE
SUGAR is not खंड but its खांड
There are ppl who say sugar came from china hence called चिनी in hindi
How about BAJRA?
BHOPLA? DODKA?
BRINJAL came from ME as per few.
Hence its not used in pooja food
Very interesting
Huh? So what if pav bhaji uses ingredients that originated in foreign land? It was still made using things grown in India and concept was created by Indians. So it's technically Indian. Persians, Turks, portugues don't eat pav bhaji. It's a development of industrial mumbai.
Good info, cringe acting
What the freaking hell!!! He has definately read some badly translated versions of vedas, nobody used to eat the animal offerings, and animal offerings doesn't mean literally putting them in yajnaya. God! This person is spreading so much misinformation.
If what you say is true, why did the Hindusaka Indians not go outside Bharat in search of "great food materials" & monopolize them? Are you ignorant of or in denial that it was ALL these "great foreigners" who came looking for Bhrat for all its spices &foods? And you need to be educated that the great modern western pharma industry is based on what spices & herbs & WRITTEN INFORMATION & KNOWLEDGE & COMMON COMMUNITY use of them in Bharatwas aken there?
Dear, Sanatan dharma is 5000year old on earth and Ramayan and Mahabharat are not fictional stories, so people at them were eating food which was offered to God in temples as prasad,so let'stop narrating fake stories of regarding food that this item is Persian or American. 🤔
12:51 Samosa is not actually from india it came from arab traders they travel so long journeys so they come up with a food which was easy to carry and give quick energy it was filled with meat with triangle shape and was called sambusa through trades indians got this Food and remove meat and put potato or other vegetables and because of pronounciation sambusa become samosa Even in today in arab countries in Africa Sambusa is still widely available and one of their best easy to carry food even their airlines give it to you in meals
Utter Nonsense .
When we think of Pav-bhaji , we think of the creation of this tasty dish . Ingredients may come for anywhere , but it is the creation that is important . The only thing alien in Pav-bhaji is the PAV , which was created out of India . Still, the creation is Indian . As far as Bhaji is concerned , it is pure Indian . Multiple vegetables mixed and cooked together with or without legumes or cereal/s is old Indian practice .
Only Gujarat is somewhat vegetarian. No other state is to be called vegetarian. Why are you both putting words into others mouths. You presume that people hearing you are illiterate on these topics. The person from Maharashtra might have friends around him who are not as informed as him that doesn't mean that the whole of India is like that.
We should revive every dish since very ancient times to medieval, whatever literature we have from royal to common people's dishes, and let it exist with moden dishes
i can also say that many food ingrediants went from here to foriegn so foreign food is not foreign but indian: many veges herbs spices sugar chicken dals millets cows for cross breading, cooking methods, dishes etc
Brinjal is not native to India. It came from probably South America along with Potato.
Great stuff, adding my 3”2 cents, vin in Vindaloo is Vinegar, not Wine.
The vegetarian%s are indeed surprising. Does "Vegetarian" mean they should not eat eggs too?
The ingredients maybe foreign. But the recipe is very much Indian, Marathi specifically.
13:28 Hey!!.... Akhand Bharat! 😎
Akhand Bharat is a recent invention just like blouses of goddesses.
It is wrong. As per Vedas non veg is prohibited. Sacrifice is a different concept. Pl consult Vedas with scholars
Rig Veda 5.29.7
Rig Veda 5.29.8
please remeber so many vegetables in india which is always available during various seasons only. the type varies from state to state
If ingredients comes outside of India doesn't mean a dish invented in India won't belong to them 😒.
I like the part of this conversation that says India was a predominentlt nonvegetarian country a few hundred year ago.
Isnt this Krish Ashok's video?
In the video description, we've included a bunch of links to the sources: different material in this video has come from different places... but yes, Krish Ashok is an OG in this space, and we've definitely been influenced by his book, tweets, and videos.
@@TheFutureIQ, cool, good to know! The last bit in the video was pretty informational.
Boys, you are awesome. I loved watching this.
13:58 How you can remember that much Year of origins, What's the mystery?
Aloo Vada is common throughout the country. Then pav ( Portuguese) was added.
Sambar ( tamil dish ) is a maharashtrian dish discovered by tanjore marata king .
Not aloo but Batata or Bataka words used by Marathi & Gujaratis for potato.
We don't use sabudana in our religious function and during fasting.
A lot of info here feels outdated:
1. Nearly every potato dish we have is derived from tubers. We did not have potatos but we did have hundreds of varieties of native tubers.
2.its far more likely that Jains were originators of ritual vegetarianism, not the Buddhists. Every Buddhist country has and still is non veggie.
3. All 3 major religions and others like Ajivika and historically traded barbs of being meat eaters. It was a charge if ostentatious consumption.
4. The nature of meat consumption was very different across the world. Only North Europeans, tribals and desert Bedouin were non veggie to the degree we are today. I don't just mean India, every single country was pescatarian and occasional non veggies. Red meat was almost always sacrificial. That is why most festivals had sacrifices in the first place.
5. In India, other than the Kshatriya, rest of society is supposed to eat meat ritualistically. The self professed "pure non veggie" in the subcontinent is a occasional comapred to North European diets China and South East Asia had a similar consumption pattern just a generation ago.
6. Scottish tikka masala is a meme, the restaurant in question has pisted it on thier website.
So much more to comment, leaving it here.
Thanks for the detailed comments @rutvikrs:
1. We now make so many dishes from potatoes and if you replace the potatoes in those dishes with other tubers most people will not think of it as the same dish at all. So I think this point stands.
2. Jainism vs Buddhism: Jainism is older than Buddhism, so you're right; the origin is probably there. But politically, Buddhism was the bigger problem, and hence played a bigger role in influencing so much of mainstream Hindiusm into embracing vegetarianism. The fact that in other countries Buddhism wasn't able to convert people is, I think, not so relevant to this argument.
-@Navin
That's why idea of BJP of Hindu Rashtra can't be successful.
Donno what ur forefathers ate?? Please tellme that.
India need more such intellectuals Great Job!
If manchurian Dosa is Indian. Pav Bhaji is also Indian.
The Data here needs to be revisited. Strict Vegetarianism was practiced by Brahmins, Vaishyas, Sudra in Hinduism in Ancient India. Even the spiritually inclined warriors and kings were vegetarian. Ithihas (history) has it that Krishna and Rama both were vegetarians - in fact Sattvic food is what they all ate back then. So no, vegetarianism did not originate from Jainism. Jainism emerged much later in India.
Naveen trying so hard to stay patient with Shrikant 😭😭I cant
Yeah, Shri can't but Naveen can! 🤣🤣🤣
- Shrikant
Are you Indian first?
Pav Bhaji invented at Gulal Wadi, Pydhonie area of South Mumbai. Then it started by Sardar Pavbhaji at Tardeo.
That's absolute nonsense 😂
The host needs to know the difference between ingredients and dishes .If the same template is used above to determine what are original national dishes for other countries ,they would also have many of their dishes removed off the menu ,particularly Iran ,Spain ,France ,Indonesia ,Thailand ,Portugal , United Arab Emirates ,Saudi Arabia ,Kazakhstan ,Mexico and many others ,Greece .Italian cuisine would not even exist at all ,if considered like the samosa or pav bhaji .
This guy created his own new accent
Wheat was not there. There was Satu.