@@trauma50disaster1 haha! that's right there certainly is. We'll have to wait and see. I'm sure Gamer nexus and hardware unboxed will show it no mercy. I look forward to it. As for me I'm enjoying my B580.
Considering that my 7900 XT hits 3 GHz, I would not be surprised if the new GPUs are faster. They should be!
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Usually highest tier GPUs run a little slower clocks (because they have the most working CUs etc. do generate more heat). And even 4090 can go over 3GHz. I have no idea how 3GHz is for him a huge deal. Especially when rDNA3 was planned to run stock over 3GHz and it is nerfed because they f*cked design in some way.
lol isn't HXL the same clown that claimed RDNA3 would get close to 4GHz? Seriously people, we're only a bit over a week away from CES, let's not waste any more time on these rumours.
With the recent rumors pointing to the 5070 essentially being a 4070 Ti Super with 12GB of VRAM, combined with the usual Ngreedia pricing, AMD has a real chance here, assuming RDNA4 gets there on features such as ray tracing (which I probably won't use but would be nice to have) and AI upscaling (which I will use on games that I can't run natively), and assuming AMD prices these well. At $500, I'd take it over a 4070 Ti Super cause those things are still expensive, and a 5070 Ti isn't going to be in the same price range.
agreed, $499 IF it is that close to the 4080 would be tempting, if its anything over that though.....everyone will just go with the nvidia card lets be honest. Amd are always spinning their wheels with their poor pricing, i really hope they get it right though but a lot of people seem to think $600 would be fine to that performance.....AMd might actually try and charge more which would be a massive failure imo. they also have the second hand market to contend with, we dont know how FSR 4 will come fare compared to DLSS ( which will have even more improvements no doubt ) it will definitely be behind in RT, which i dont care about if its priced properly. Be interesting to see if Amd is stupid enough to stuff up another generation lol. i also doubt those performance claims will be realistic, i think it will be closer to the 4070ti super, in that case it would need to be priced even lower imo
HAHAHAHAHA 5070 BEING 4070TI THAT'S A GOOD ONE. I can't wait to come back to this comment to clown this. How in the living fuck do you think it would have such a small performance jump? Has that EVER happened before? That's a rhetorical question please don't answer you bot.
It's not going to be between 7900XT and XTX. It will compare to the 7900 GRE but it might trade blows with the 7900 XT in some cases as it will have newer technology. Why do i say this? Because they still have to sell the 7900XT and XTX models somehow, dropping them in value but not outright destroying them with the new product. If the 9070XT was 5% slower than the 4080, then it would mean the 7900XT card is f'ed, along with the GRE and 7800XT, all of these 3 cards would be massively impacted by the 9070XT. Ray tracing performance will be much better with the 9070 and XT cards. They wanted to make the 9070 and XT cards like 450 to 650 or something, this would explain them adjusting values on the 7900XT and XTX to be somewhere close to these values aswell. Example: -7800XT = drops down to 400-450 USD, currently around 475-550 -9070 (~7800XT performance) = 450-500 USD, i feel like this one will be 50 USD more expensive than the 7800XT, offering similar performance but much better tech, i do hope they stick with 16gb VRAM on this one, otherwise its gonna be bad if it ends up with 12gb but it could also be a way of them pushing people to buy the XT variant instead, this would be a d*ck move from AMD for sure -7900 GRE = drops down to 50 bucks cheaper than 9070 xt, 550-700 currently -9070XT (slightly better than 7090 GRE, 10 to 15% faster than the 9070) = 500-600 USD, this one is most likely going to cost 100 USD more than the non XT variant -7900XT (~5-10% better than 9070XT in raster) = 550-650 USD, this one is currently sitting at around 650-750 USD. I can see its value being very close to 9070XT -7900XTX (~25-30% better than the 9070XT in raster) = ~700 USD, this one is currently sitting at 850+ USD So for this to make any sense, they need to make the 9070 XT priced similarly to the 7090 GRE, which came at the 550 USD MSRP. If they want to make a good impression on the market like intel did, then they would drop the value down a bit. But i don't see that happening unless nvidia pushes them to a corner with the 5070. This would also explain why the "8800XT" was canned and why AMD skipped high end GPUs this generation. The 8800XT or 9080XT, if it existed, it would make pricing on the 7900XT and XTX cards a big problem for nvidia as the new card would most likely trade blows with the XTX but at slightly over than half the price, which is insane.
@@CHT1992 what is this mini market logic.. You think if they could sell 1.000.000 n48 cards to grow their market share they would rather not do it cause that would hurt their sales on 5.000 n31. If this card is not as fast as 4080 is cause they cant make it, not cause they want to sell 80cu n31s (7900gre) for 450$ 😆 If rdn4 scales like the past monolithic dies of rdna2 and 3 the performance will be 20% faster than 7800xt, just shy of 7900xt. Now someone would think they maybe do something better this time, but lets see. It would require at least something faster than 20gbps memory though 😒 This cards price will be decided only based on its performance compared to 4070ti/5070 and every bit of performance is crucial at that level, cause changes the level of perception to the product: -If it is 20% faster than 5070 which this leak is assuming (within 5% of 4080), than the price could be 600$ and will sell a lot cause it would be marketed as "superior to 5070 in every way" or closer to 5070ti for the same price as 5070. -If it is what I expect ~5% faster than 5070 and 5% slower than 7900xt it won't even sell well @500$, cause even if it is like +10% of the 5070 it would be still marketed as "similar" and all will neglect the 12gb vram and spend 100$ more to get the "similar" nvidia, like they always do. -If the perf is similar to GRE (which tbh I can't even imagine how they could achieve to make it that bad), this card will need to be 400$ at most.
5080 price leaked from Aussie retailer AUD $2800 OR ABOUT US$1600-1700 😮 if AMD does 4080 performance for 1/3 5090 price id probably consider😊 I'm still rocking 3080
Told you guys the 5080 is going to cost about what a 4090 cost. Ngreedia never gives more performance for free. If you have the options to buy more performance you are going to pay as much more as it give more performance. Not exactly of course but in the ballpark.
I doubt that is the release price. We saw similar pre release retailer leaks for GPUs and CPUs in the past, always being priced so much higher than it is at release. Probably will be 1100-1300 USD or thereabouts.
@@cajampa they gave 2080 ti (1200 usd) performance for 499 usd in the 3070. The 3060 ti came within 10% of the 3070 in most games, and that had msrp of 379 usd. That was just two generations ago. Blame the dummies during the crypto craze that bought low-mid tier gpus for over a thousand. NVIDIA saw how stupid gamers are, and unfortunately for us are doing what any business would do. AMD are no better btw, do not get fooled by their value of GPUs 12 months after they have been released.
@@silver924 It is not defenders as much as realists who understand basic economics and what happens in a captive market like they have built. They can charge what ever they want to squeeze as much as they can. Because they don't need us anymore they lose money on every single card they sell to the consumer. Instead of making data centers GPU's and earning many multiples for the same allocated silicon.
Im going to stick with that 7900xt to 7900xtx performance range. Thats what we have been hearing for more than a year. With this close to launch, companies always like to sandbag and put out fake info at all fronts.
The 7900 XTX is in a weird place. It's an older card but will still maintain some form of performance advantage over the 9070 XT. You would think that a new card beats the previous best in every way.
@@avatarion Well yes, if 9070XT (or whatever it ends up beenig called) was a 7900xtx class product. But it isnt. Its like 7800xt class product. And remember, we had this before. R9 Fury X was faster than RX480 (even buffed 290X called 390X was faster). Interesting part of RDNA4 is, with topclass modular RDNA4 of the table and midrange class gpu now to be the fastest offering, what AMD thinks, that NVidia has in midrange. Obviously at design stage, AMD expected NVidia to go big this generation and go big with their top model (thats why there was that big modular RDNA4 project), but also with midrange 5070 class. So we are most likely getting same-ish performance from these cards. Personally i would say, that is the real answer why we got that last minute leak about RDNA4 beeng on level of 7900GRE. AMD just put this info out there in hopes of conforting NVidia, so they would not reconsider their pricing for 5070 class. But i could be wrong and those benchmark were actually correct and that 7900xt to 7900xtx estimate was just target for midrange RDNA4 and they didnt get there. But i think that, if midrange RDNA4 doesnt have some specific hardware problem (it shouldnt - its monolitic die), software controll (drivers) sould be much easier to do than what it was on big RDNA3, where presented performence was not what what we got in final product, because of drivers.
Don't get your hopes up. AMD needs to overperform first before we start making optimistic predictions. Usually they underperform a little relative to the hype.
Australia is usually between ten to twenty percent overpriced. Their currency is also weaker, so if you do the conversion for usd, minus the higher twenty percent price, It puts add closer to $1300 so it'll probably sell for $1400, making it a $200 msrp or a $600 real discount versus 4090 but with 8 gigs less vram.
@@CRF250R1521 yeah, seen so many times on r/AMD people recommend a 1000w PSU because the insane power spikes it has. No worries though, they are remaking that gpu once again but with better power efficiency.. its called the 9070XT ;)
Leakers: 45% better RT performance than 7900xtx! Also leakers: meh, barely 7900gre performance. Also also leakers: almost 4080 performance! Leakers please, make up your mind...
If the rumor turns out to be true that 9070xt is close to rtx 4080 and msrp 500 usd, i will buy this card. Im sitting at an rtx 3080 and waitiing for a card that is at least 50% faster perf and lower prices for so long. Currently 4080 is roughly 50to 60% faster but cost way more than 700usd, its so stupid
It wouldnt surprise me, if Intel, Nvidia and AMD had a meeting and they divided the market. Intel gets the enterypoint, AMD the middle and Nvidia the highend.
At those prices are you joking Intel would go bankrupt first before the year is up 😂. They are already not making much money or not at all even with the B580
If they can actually produce the bloody thing at decent capacity. Having a good product alone is not enough. They have to have capacity to saturate the market so everyone who wants one could actually buy it. Otherwise it will hurt their market share growth. That being said it's easy to grow from essentially 0% Alchemist "achieved". Not exactly a high bar. As for AMD. Well that depends on them. If they keep making the same mistakes then their market share keeps falling. First thing they need to do is stop the bleeding. Only then can they start to think about growing again.
3.0 to 3.1 GHz is 400mhz higher than the 7800xt boosted. Or 14.8% higher than the 7800xt. Add 6% more Compute Units to that equation with 64 vs 60 CU, and what you have is a GPU that's 20% faster than a 7800xt, or 5% to 10% faster than 7900 GRE. that's assuming almost 100% perfect clock, and core scaling. So good luck trying to squeeze another 20% out of that thing to get to RTX 4080/7900xtx performance.
unless they have a mechanic that is for the new class of cards id buy the RX 7900xtx and keep it pushing this card will not beat last gens 7900 xt or even come close to the 7900 xtx. Ray tracing is a gimmick and isn't needed to play any game. FSR is way more important that that mess anyway.
The 9070XT is simply an overclocked 64 compute unit 800 class GPU. Its going to struggle to keep up with the 7900XT in pure raster IMO, especially at 4K. AMD has lost it's mind if they think its worth $650 as rumors suggest.
the rumour was between $449-649. if they priced it at $449 it would sell decently, at $499 its pushing it, anything over that and its another massive flop from AMD. but if it really is 7900xt performance, it needs to be at the lowest price that was rumoured, maybe even less imo lol $399-$449 is what it should be priced at. $499 if it is closer to the 4080 but i cant see that being true at all
Somehow i really doubt -5% 4080 performance, one leak was 23k with real pictures, and another one -5% , which is around 28k. And ofc no picture. Just look at the specs same GDDR6 memory. rx 7800XT has 60 CU's/ 9070 XT 64 CU's do you guys really believe architecture alone would carry +45% performance gain?
Potentially yes, but we have no idea. If it's clocked 10% higher with 6.66% more CUs they'd need a 23.65% IPC improvement to reach +45% performance. In the leaked benchmarks that we saw, the 9070 XT was only 14% faster than the 7800 XT - that actually makes less sense than it being close-ish to 4080 performance considering it has 6.66% more CUs. Do we really think that in terms of boost clock and architectural IPC improvements combined that AMD only obtained +7% performance?
@@Angel_Zodiac dude, that sounds extremely unrealistic lol no on is saying it will only be a 7% increase either, but defintely not a 40% and over uplift. the leaked benchmarks are much more in line with reality. id be surprised if this will match the 4070ti super. it should be very close to the 5070 in raster, so if they charge anything over $500 its DOA
9070XT has more than 25% clock speed compared to 7800XT. Couple that with 4 more CUs and IPC gains, I'd say it's very possible for it to perform at the level of 7900XT or better.
Just seen a rumour that 5080 is $300 more than the 4080...I seriously hope this is massively filled with a truck full of salt or it needs to be DOA..whether a fanboy or neutral.
Nvidia have had that many "moving forward" Meetings they EXPECT a 100% gross profit. If they can't get it over charging us. They'll give us less. And gas light us with DLSS. AMD👍
exactly, there's no way they can up the prices of the midrange cards anymore, if the 5070 went up too $700 it would no longer be midrange...its not even really midrane as it is at $600. so instead they'll give us a smaller 15-20% uplift over the 4070 super for the same price. hardly exciting but it will sell regardless because its Nvidia
@PCgamingbenchmarktime AMD and intel are closing the gap. Ask yourself this. How many games could you blind test the difference. Do you want to play them games?.
@@Duarenteed you can clearly see the differences when upscaling is involved. FSR looks absolutely terrible. frame pacing is also an issue in a lot of games with Intel, im super sensitive to frame pacing/ stutter. so yes, i would very likely be able to tell the difference. i might even buy one of these cards to compare in benchmarks, but benchmark numbers dont always tell the whole story, frame pacing is much more important imo. you can see a lot of games in videos showing a frame time graph that its all over the place is a lot of games ( not all, intel is getting much better, i really hope they can improve over time )
Neural rendering done analog to digital in oil and gas exploration and all sound wave graphic output for 2 decades. What's really interesting about image recognition and construction and interpolation is that all the application software is ancient and just has to be ported or recompiled there is a LOT or port available. mb
AMD playing 4D chess, doubt it. I think the cards are just underpowered and over priced, What is the point of buying a little slower 4080 card from AMD when you could just buy a 4080 card. The problem is there not releasing this product in a vaccume. I just don't see the value, but if it was as fast as a 7900 xt then It wouldn't bother me so much.
Performance pr. watt is an underreported metric by UA-camrs, it matters way more to European consumers, because there's little point in buying a card if the savings get eaten by wattage costs... Performance pr. watt when undervolted is my preferred p.o.v. when looking at GPUs
@@polomarco7053 hot spot is very good after replacing the horrible asrock paste/application. I used Gelid Solutions GC-Extreme and my hotspots dropped 25c degrees to about 75-80c full load. (around 50-55c core) I would say my rasterization is not quite 4090, but well above a stock 4080.
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 it's not just overclocking, it's a different bios. I found a few 3Dmark benchmarks when browsing sellers on leboncoin and the card was “stronger” than a 4090 in non ray tracing, but i chose to buy a sapphire nitro instead. However, since i am doing a liquid cooling build, i will see if i can flash the bios on the “blank” “second bios” to see if true.
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 It's not just overclocking, it's a different bios. I found a few 3Dmark benchmarks when browsing sellers on leboncoin and the card was “stronger” than a 4090 in non ray tracing, but i chose to buy a brand new sapphire nitro instead (because of the fuse + wasn't planning on liquid cooling back then ). However, since i am doing a liquid cooling build (only waiting for gpu block, thermal putty and some plugs), i will see if i can flash the bios on the “blank” “second bios” to see if true.
Power in the range of 300W is what people should expect no matter who makes the GPU for a 2K gaming GPU, that also runs RT well enough to stay in the 2K gaming range, along with running AI upscaling. A GPU is running a LOT of cores to do all this at the same time. So a really good quality 2K gaming GPU WHILE running RT, 300W+. And also $600 - 650 USD
Hm... as far as I remember, after the disapointing AMD7xxx launch every Tech Tuber and my grandmother said something like "wait for the new drivers, there's gonna be more performance available". How ever, two years later the performance picture hasn't changed, just a slight cost adjustment has occured. I doubt the RDNA 4 gen will offer the level of cost/performance it requires to stand a chance against Nvidia. And the entry level is beiing swooped by Intel. Dark times ahead for us AMD users.
@@Oozaru85 $1,700-ish...yes, that's `2k...and taxes are still part of the price(ignorant) so, what is your argument here?...that these are "good" prices??? are you really defending nvidias pricing??? lmao, clown.
People have been saying 3ishGHz for at least 6 months. That's not news. For me, the real question is if the tiny die size rumor is true and if they're using 3D cache stacking to accomplish it.
I watched a video today where a tech tuber got a leak from a small Australian retailer. They leaked the sale figures to them as 2545 Australian dollars for the retailer to buy and 2800 sale price for the 5080. That's £1388!
AMD HAS TO GET THE PRICE RIGHT THIS GENERATION OR ITS DOA. AND EVERY YEAR NVIDIA DONT HAVE ANY ONE GOING AGAINST THEM AT THE HIGHER END THEY ARE GONNA RAISE THE PRICE. I HATE CAPS LOCK 😂
yeah i call bullshit, best case scenarion its slightly faster than the 7900xt, so maybe 10-15% behind the 4080. which would be fine if it was priced between $399-$449. at $499 it better be much closer to the 4080 ( which i doubt ) i have little hope for this card, Amd will probably price it at $499 with 7900xt performance which would be pretty pathetic 2 years later, could care less about the ray tracing improvements, everyone will end up buying the 5070 instead like every other generation lol. AMd needs to be aggressive and they probably wont be
Knowing AMD, the 9070XT is going to perform between the 5070 and 5070-Ti, and they are going to price it between them too, but closer to the 5070-Ti. So, expect $659-$679.99 for the 9070XT.
RTX 5070 will most likely be faster than RX 9700X or whatever it will be called. Especially if the rumors are true that it is between 7900 GRE and 7900 XT in performance.
DOA if it is not priced below 500 tbh. That price for no generational uplift over 7900xt (which goes for less than that price I think now) in raster is hilarious.
Let's see if AMD gets some of the 3rd parties on board with AMD GPU support -- like Chaos Group, SideFX, Pixar, BorisFX, and Octane. And helps to get RedShift up to snuff; that would make a 48GB 9070/9080 variant very appealing for 3D rendering...
I do not appreciate AMD confusing us with the Nvidia naming, but if they will finally compete in reasonable price range (up to 500$) with almost top tier performance, I am all in :D
These numbers still don't add up, and neither does AMD only discontinuing the 7900 GRE. Why would they continue to produce the 7900 XT if the new card is faster than it? If people want more VRAM there's still the 7900 XTX.
@@tadsnyder2756 Have they? I never heard any mention of anything but the 7900 GRE being stopped (and they've been completely out of stock here in the US for a while) though looking at stock and pricing info for the other two cards it does look like supply is dwindling.
I think I would buy the 9700 or 9070XT for $580 if the performance rumors are correct. I think any more than that and I'll be waiting or debating feature set on other cards. It will also depend on how my 3080 12GB performs in the next few game I play. If Avowed plays fine in February then I may just keep holding on.
I kind of hope the talk about Druid almost being clear for tape out three or four months back turns out to be true and the reason Intel hasn't shown any B770 or similar higher end cards is because they are instead preparing to get Druid on the market. That would make their new cards a lot more likely to upset Nvidia and AMD. Now I don't have any new information about these, I'm just hoping Intel can reach for the moon here. The chance of this happening is anyway extremely low. But I want to hope for something that might change the GPU market.
based on the numbers 23k vs rtx4070 this is equal to a rtx3080 17k and alu count rx9070 must be run at 3,06ghz this is plausible for 29k points the gpu must run at 4,0ghz this is not possible the second number is cpu score with an r7 9800x3d possible at 5,2ghz
4080 like performance for 549-599$ would be great but I believe it'll be closer to a 4070 Ti Super. I expect it to beat the 7900 GRE and 4070 Ti but not by much.
how are those prices great ? i cant understand that logic at all. that would be extremely close to the 5070 pricing. the 5070 should be close to a 4070ti super in performance for $599 (nvidia would be crazy to up the price for such a small uplift over the 4070 super ) for AMD to be competitive it would need to be a max price of $499, and thats only IF it really was within 5% of the 4080...which i highly doubt. i can see it being close to the 4070ti super at best. in which case it would need to be $449 or less
To be fair, if it really is as powerful as a 4080, and the TDP is really about 265 watts, that isn't bad. A 4080 is 320 for the Nvidia versions I believe.
For me to be interested, AMD needs to hit a price to performance ratio of $600 for 7900XTX + substantially improved RT/FSR, or better. Since they probably won't make this performance target from the look of it, the price needs to come closer to $500 (or less) for the base cards and the AIB's can't jack the prices on custom coolers.
anything over $500 and im out, most people will just pay the extra $100 and get the 5070 which will probably perform about the same but better in RT and much better upscaling, we still dont know how FSR 4 will turn out and how quickly it will be introduced into games. AMD is unknown, Nvidia is already proven. it would be a disaster for AMD if they price it over $500, history repeats lol i'd like to think AMD isnt that dumb but the current gen's launch prices were mostly terrible and they actually went backwards with marketshare lol
@@PCgamingbenchmarktime We are in agreement then. I think FSR is doing OK. DLSS is still generally better, but comparing back to back in a handful of games, they each have pros and cons. FSR looks a little sharper and more vibrant, while DLSS has a softer, smoother look, for better or worse. The main thing is that DLSS has a tendency to clean up wonky textures, like hair for example, while FSR doesn't.
Lol AMD and Nvidia going back and forth with the "leaks". The 5090 is going to be 40-60% faster than the 4090 for $2000 US. Everything below it will be 20-30% faster than the previous generation. As for its production, they're having some problems but nothing major. It's delayed because of GB202 dies going to Quadro cards and data center. The 9070 XT is going to be competitive with the 5070 Ti, but significantly cheaper, around $600 US. This is why the 5070 Ti was bumped to 16GB. I'm optimistic that Nvidia isn't going to go insane on pricing with everything below the 5090. I'd expect the cards to be the same price as the previous gen or $50-$100 more expensive.
yeah i was following along until you said the 9070xt will be competiting with the 5070ti. it will be much closer to the 5070. the specs are pretty weak, no way it gets that close to the 4080. maybe within 15% without overclocking. Amd will probably only price it $50 below the 5070 too lol. if it was $449 it would be an ok card, anything over $500 and everyone will buy the 5070
@PCgamingbenchmarktime 5070 is going to be around 4070 Ti/Super and 5070 Ti will be at best 10% faster than the 4080/Super. 9070 XT just needs to be within 10% of the 5070 Ti.
@26Guenter those are pretty much the exact estimates I've been thinking besides the 70ti being closer to 15% ahead of 4080. Pretty close lol. Estimates for the 9070xt on the other hand differ ,the specs don't line up. I just can't see the 9070xt being any better than the 7900xt in raster, in sure it will be around 15-20% better in RT but who cares honestly lol. Still will be behind the 50 series cards by a good amount. The 5070 and 9070xt should be pretty close in raster imo, probably 20% behind in RT and we still have no clue how fsr 4 will turn out, and nvidia will have dlss 4 apparently to make it even more difficult on Amd lol. Amd really needs to price this right. $449 would make it compelling enough to buy over the 5070, at $499 most people will buy nvidia like always. AMD said they're going to be more aggressive in the low to midrange with the cards. Anything above $449 is not being aggressive, the only way $499 would be appealing is if Nvidia is stupid enough to increase the prices by $50 up to $649. Which wouldn't surprise me, but with such a small uplift over the 4070 super that would be asking for trouble lol
I don't understand the issues people are having with names, the purpose is identification and positioning. Nothing else matters. Unless you're the type that doesn't like change, you'll never be satisfied.
If AMD fails to compete with the 4080 this generation, you either go with NVidia and only have 12-16GB of VRAM, or get a 7800 XTX. I really hope there will be a 9090 XT or something that beats their best current gen in raw raster performance.
well, rumors were that the 8060 igpu was putting to shame the rtx4060,..so I am kinda expecting discrete rdna4 be around a 4080..or why else would they even bother.. A lot of people compare this '9070' to the rx5700xt, forgetting it beat all of AMD previous gpus, including the vega64 and was in a league with the 2070 (which by today's standards was an xx80 card)...so yeah, if rdna4 repeats all that it'll be allright. Plus it won't have the 'no raytracing' stigma that damaged the 5700xt so much.
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@@qwertyqwerty-zi6dr it doesn't mean its true. that guy making the performance claims has been saying some whacky numbers for a while. previously it had been 10% from the 4080. the leaked benchmarks make more sense for the specs of the card. i wouldn't be expecting anything over 7900Xt performance. the card would need to be under $449 to be worth considering
It's so easy to be mad at myself for selling my 4070 and getting the 4070ti super when alot better cards coming out.but next will be either 4090 or 5090 cause not worth getting a card with same vram .I'm at my limit on my games at 4k.but be nice to see how new amd cards are going be and who knows they may beat what I have.love the channel ❤
my guess is that the 9070xt will probably very close to your card, at least in raster. RT is a different story, also we dont know how good or bad FSR 4 will be or how quickly they'll implement into games. i think you're good with your purchase
Lol... Everyone here has seen the leaked benchmark... Clearly you haven't seen the clock speed leak from yesterday, nor it's analysis; else no one except for you has the inside scoop, clearly. I would bet that the CU's+clock+RDNA gen pieces of information are legit, and that the benchmark is what is untrue - since both leaks being real, at the same time, makes zero sense. Regardless I do not know anything for sure, obviously, and this is just a fun speculation game we are playing while we wait. Last time around the leaked benchmarks showed like 60% of their actual scores, which further reinforces that the benchmarks are the fake news. (likely to get nvidia to misprice their offerings, or underestimate competition, etc). Regardless; you are dumb - which is why you score poorly on standardized testing, rank poorly in competitive games, and are bottlenecked by your subpar intelligence - necessitating no further gpu upgrade at this time.
@@donniebigmac432 LMFAO.The guy who finally catches up with the conversation tries to 'mansplain' it to everyone else who is already iterating on the subject at hand. (excuse the use of 'mansplain'-I by no means intend to imply he isn't a female/cuck/Feg...)
A nerfed bios/driver would make sense. When board partners start making and testing the cards, the potential for leaks greatly increases. If AMD wants to keep the perfomance a secret, a nerfed bios would allow for the cards to be tested and the performance can be compared to AMDs numbers with the same bios. I know its some wishful thinking but we have already heard rumors claiming higher performance. Also if the highest end card is a x700xt/x070xt, hopefully thats a sign that its going to be priced at the lower end of whats speculated. Calling it a x700xt whilst charging x800xt prices would just be an unnecessary blunder, but then this is AMD.
I'm sorry but I think this is all wishful thinking. I think the leaked Timespy score is more or less what we can expect from these cards, which would make them a compelling option against the likes of the 4070 Super, but I just can't imagine AMD will release something competitive with even the current 4080, forget the 5080 which will probably come out within a month of this thing anyways.
It does seem like a really nice card if you are still stuck with a gen or two older one that has less than 16GB of VRAM. Why pay the NVIDIA premium unless you go all the way with 5080/5090?
seems weird to say you are buying something that doesn't have specs or reviews Jeff. Tech life is filled with flops and flounders that are exposed at launch.
@@blackface-b1v it has similar RT performance to the 7900xt. In what world is that good? NVIDIA will probably improve their RT by a much greater margin. Would not be surprised if a 5060 ti matches that in RT. And do not bother replaying if your argument is that leaked RT performance in RE4 lol
Iirc RDNA 3 was able to reach 3 ghz but for some reason it started artifacting and they couldn't figure out why. That's the reason they downclocked the final versions of RDNA 3.
Hardware issue with artifacting something in the design did it when it was spined out at TSMC. RDNA3.5 Fixes it in handhelds, which are faster than regular based RDNA3. The 7900XTX doesn't Artifact because they removed some performance from it (-30%). It has to do with its RDNA3's dual issue pre-clock & combination of shader/RT cores problem which included the schedular. the driver fix could not remove the aritfacting.
I don't think 9070 XT is going to get close to 5070 Ti, but it could get close to 5070 if it is cranked up, I bet. AMD has generally made good hardware, it's just that their software is lacking. Better ray tracing would be nice but I can't expect it to compete with CUDA cores in stuff like Stable Diffusion. FSR 4 likely helps and is a step forward, but yeah, still mid. Thumbs up!
Price will need to be very low for this GPU to be worth it, knowing AMD they will once against fumble with price and try to sell it close to Nvidia price when it cannot compete at all
@bullyakker I would never pick a 4060ti over a 7800xt, but 90% of people will do it. So AMD needs to compete harder in price to increase market chairs. It has to be more than stupid to get the ngreedia card for AMD to become a real option for customers that are not hard tech enthusiastic
I’m hoping the %5 difference of the 4080 is true. I want to pass my 6900xt down to my wife and be able to enjoy true 4K game without upscaling being in performance mode.
I have the 6900xt and it isn't bad. I don't expect it to be close to the 4080 but I big + if it is. I also am holding out and if rtx 5k is decent ,I'll probably buy my 1st desktop nvdia gpu if I can't hold on any longer. I was honestly hoping.The amd would have a high end option.So I could just get that, but i'm running out of patience
$600 would be a terrible price. who would buy that over the 5070? it will just be another repeat of the last few generations. that would be hilarious lol. if it can almost match the 4080 ( highly doubt that, the specs dont look capable enough and the bandwith is pretty limited, cant see it being as good at 4k) then $499 would be an OKAY price. if it really is closer to the 7900XT and GRE it needs to be under $449. Amd is supposed to be targeting marketshare by being aggressive, that would be a huge fail to price it at $599 lol
Sorry for the typo in the title / thumbnail!
9070 XT... i know it's getting confusing...
We still don't know that that is a true statement.
amd just steal the name from nvidia 8000 and 9000 series
IT'S OVER 9000
It's confirmed by an Australian retailer who ordered the GPUs@@christophermullins7163
They might be trying to follow same name conventions like they did with Ryzen-Intel
If it turns out to only be around 5% slower than a 4080 and if it's at a low price then it'll be a winner.
We'll see what they do, and the drivers.
"if" is the key word. Dave there are a lot of "ifs" between here and then
@@trauma50disaster1 haha!
that's right there certainly is.
We'll have to wait and see. I'm sure Gamer nexus and hardware unboxed will show it no mercy.
I look forward to it. As for me I'm enjoying my B580.
I'm gonna wait for GDDR7 card from AMD
@@ksenchy so 2 more years. Patience is a virtue they say. Though if you have something like a recent +10GB GPU, then it can be easy i guess.
@Just_An_Ignacio I have 7800 XT with 16GB. I'm good for the next 2 years 😂
Considering that my 7900 XT hits 3 GHz, I would not be surprised if the new GPUs are faster. They should be!
Usually highest tier GPUs run a little slower clocks (because they have the most working CUs etc. do generate more heat). And even 4090 can go over 3GHz. I have no idea how 3GHz is for him a huge deal. Especially when rDNA3 was planned to run stock over 3GHz and it is nerfed because they f*cked design in some way.
Not if you bought a 7900 xtx Taichi. And I think also the Sapphire Nitro. They hit 3ghz out of the box regularly. Mine included.
What cpu are you using? I have my eye on the 7900XT
@@Brad-p1c 5800x3d. For a little while longer
"planned to run stock over 3GHz" - faildozer again?
9070 XT, Merry Christmas Paul
I kinda hope that they do call it the RX 9700XT so that I can pair it with my R7 9700X.
9700x cpu îs perfect all arounder. U can do whatever u want with that cpu.
I have a 9800x3d, waiting for 9070.
Which is probably why they made the change. Using the same numeric pattern for both CPU and GPU is a problem when comes to SEO.
lol isn't HXL the same clown that claimed RDNA3 would get close to 4GHz? Seriously people, we're only a bit over a week away from CES, let's not waste any more time on these rumours.
yep he is haha
HXL just translated someone else's post, he didn't claim anything.
@@HP4L16 I see. Well for his reputation's sake the original post better be reliable.
6:10 - Correct.
Boost was disabled and memory was clocked slower.
With the recent rumors pointing to the 5070 essentially being a 4070 Ti Super with 12GB of VRAM, combined with the usual Ngreedia pricing, AMD has a real chance here, assuming RDNA4 gets there on features such as ray tracing (which I probably won't use but would be nice to have) and AI upscaling (which I will use on games that I can't run natively), and assuming AMD prices these well.
At $500, I'd take it over a 4070 Ti Super cause those things are still expensive, and a 5070 Ti isn't going to be in the same price range.
agreed, $499 IF it is that close to the 4080 would be tempting, if its anything over that though.....everyone will just go with the nvidia card lets be honest. Amd are always spinning their wheels with their poor pricing, i really hope they get it right though but a lot of people seem to think $600 would be fine to that performance.....AMd might actually try and charge more which would be a massive failure imo. they also have the second hand market to contend with, we dont know how FSR 4 will come fare compared to DLSS ( which will have even more improvements no doubt ) it will definitely be behind in RT, which i dont care about if its priced properly.
Be interesting to see if Amd is stupid enough to stuff up another generation lol. i also doubt those performance claims will be realistic, i think it will be closer to the 4070ti super, in that case it would need to be priced even lower imo
HAHAHAHAHA 5070 BEING 4070TI THAT'S A GOOD ONE. I can't wait to come back to this comment to clown this. How in the living fuck do you think it would have such a small performance jump? Has that EVER happened before? That's a rhetorical question please don't answer you bot.
love the flow of the video output, great news times are comming : )
so ppl say its on 7900 gre level others say its more like rtx 4080 / between 7900 xt and xtx. i guess we just need to wait for reviews
It's not going to be between 7900XT and XTX. It will compare to the 7900 GRE but it might trade blows with the 7900 XT in some cases as it will have newer technology. Why do i say this? Because they still have to sell the 7900XT and XTX models somehow, dropping them in value but not outright destroying them with the new product.
If the 9070XT was 5% slower than the 4080, then it would mean the 7900XT card is f'ed, along with the GRE and 7800XT, all of these 3 cards would be massively impacted by the 9070XT.
Ray tracing performance will be much better with the 9070 and XT cards.
They wanted to make the 9070 and XT cards like 450 to 650 or something, this would explain them adjusting values on the 7900XT and XTX to be somewhere close to these values aswell.
Example:
-7800XT = drops down to 400-450 USD, currently around 475-550
-9070 (~7800XT performance) = 450-500 USD, i feel like this one will be 50 USD more expensive than the 7800XT, offering similar performance but much better tech, i do hope they stick with 16gb VRAM on this one, otherwise its gonna be bad if it ends up with 12gb but it could also be a way of them pushing people to buy the XT variant instead, this would be a d*ck move from AMD for sure
-7900 GRE = drops down to 50 bucks cheaper than 9070 xt, 550-700 currently
-9070XT (slightly better than 7090 GRE, 10 to 15% faster than the 9070) = 500-600 USD, this one is most likely going to cost 100 USD more than the non XT variant
-7900XT (~5-10% better than 9070XT in raster) = 550-650 USD, this one is currently sitting at around 650-750 USD. I can see its value being very close to 9070XT
-7900XTX (~25-30% better than the 9070XT in raster) = ~700 USD, this one is currently sitting at 850+ USD
So for this to make any sense, they need to make the 9070 XT priced similarly to the 7090 GRE, which came at the 550 USD MSRP. If they want to make a good impression on the market like intel did, then they would drop the value down a bit. But i don't see that happening unless nvidia pushes them to a corner with the 5070.
This would also explain why the "8800XT" was canned and why AMD skipped high end GPUs this generation. The 8800XT or 9080XT, if it existed, it would make pricing on the 7900XT and XTX cards a big problem for nvidia as the new card would most likely trade blows with the XTX but at slightly over than half the price, which is insane.
@@CHT1992 wow thanks for that insane reply haha
@@CHT1992 what is this mini market logic.. You think if they could sell 1.000.000 n48 cards to grow their market share they would rather not do it cause that would hurt their sales on 5.000 n31.
If this card is not as fast as 4080 is cause they cant make it, not cause they want to sell 80cu n31s (7900gre) for 450$ 😆
If rdn4 scales like the past monolithic dies of rdna2 and 3 the performance will be 20% faster than 7800xt, just shy of 7900xt. Now someone would think they maybe do something better this time, but lets see. It would require at least something faster than 20gbps memory though 😒
This cards price will be decided only based on its performance compared to 4070ti/5070 and every bit of performance is crucial at that level, cause changes the level of perception to the product:
-If it is 20% faster than 5070 which this leak is assuming (within 5% of 4080), than the price could be 600$ and will sell a lot cause it would be marketed as "superior to 5070 in every way" or closer to 5070ti for the same price as 5070.
-If it is what I expect ~5% faster than 5070 and 5% slower than 7900xt it won't even sell well @500$, cause even if it is like +10% of the 5070 it would be still marketed as "similar" and all will neglect the 12gb vram and spend 100$ more to get the "similar" nvidia, like they always do.
-If the perf is similar to GRE (which tbh I can't even imagine how they could achieve to make it that bad), this card will need to be 400$ at most.
Like 4080/7900XT is actually OC version, the reference version will be same to 7900gre.
@@igm1571 and which board parter is the best for OC GPUs?
9070 XT, wish you all the best possible holidays
5080 price leaked from Aussie retailer AUD $2800 OR ABOUT US$1600-1700 😮 if AMD does 4080 performance for 1/3 5090 price id probably consider😊 I'm still rocking 3080
Told you guys the 5080 is going to cost about what a 4090 cost.
Ngreedia never gives more performance for free. If you have the options to buy more performance you are going to pay as much more as it give more performance.
Not exactly of course but in the ballpark.
I doubt that is the release price. We saw similar pre release retailer leaks for GPUs and CPUs in the past, always being priced so much higher than it is at release.
Probably will be 1100-1300 USD or thereabouts.
@@cajampa The worst thing, that nvida has defenders for this BS. "ThE cArd is 40% fASter, So tHe PriCE sHouLd Be 40% hiGher".
@@cajampa they gave 2080 ti (1200 usd) performance for 499 usd in the 3070. The 3060 ti came within 10% of the 3070 in most games, and that had msrp of 379 usd. That was just two generations ago.
Blame the dummies during the crypto craze that bought low-mid tier gpus for over a thousand. NVIDIA saw how stupid gamers are, and unfortunately for us are doing what any business would do. AMD are no better btw, do not get fooled by their value of GPUs 12 months after they have been released.
@@silver924 It is not defenders as much as realists who understand basic economics and what happens in a captive market like they have built. They can charge what ever they want to squeeze as much as they can.
Because they don't need us anymore they lose money on every single card they sell to the consumer. Instead of making data centers GPU's and earning many multiples for the same allocated silicon.
There is no way the 9070 XT matching the 7900GRE is true if the TBP is 265W and goes up to 330W. I’m still expecting 7900XT perf.
Im going to stick with that 7900xt to 7900xtx performance range. Thats what we have been hearing for more than a year. With this close to launch, companies always like to sandbag and put out fake info at all fronts.
The 7900 XTX is in a weird place. It's an older card but will still maintain some form of performance advantage over the 9070 XT. You would think that a new card beats the previous best in every way.
@@avatarion Well yes, if 9070XT (or whatever it ends up beenig called) was a 7900xtx class product. But it isnt. Its like 7800xt class product. And remember, we had this before. R9 Fury X was faster than RX480 (even buffed 290X called 390X was faster). Interesting part of RDNA4 is, with topclass modular RDNA4 of the table and midrange class gpu now to be the fastest offering, what AMD thinks, that NVidia has in midrange. Obviously at design stage, AMD expected NVidia to go big this generation and go big with their top model (thats why there was that big modular RDNA4 project), but also with midrange 5070 class. So we are most likely getting same-ish performance from these cards. Personally i would say, that is the real answer why we got that last minute leak about RDNA4 beeng on level of 7900GRE. AMD just put this info out there in hopes of conforting NVidia, so they would not reconsider their pricing for 5070 class. But i could be wrong and those benchmark were actually correct and that 7900xt to 7900xtx estimate was just target for midrange RDNA4 and they didnt get there. But i think that, if midrange RDNA4 doesnt have some specific hardware problem (it shouldnt - its monolitic die), software controll (drivers) sould be much easier to do than what it was on big RDNA3, where presented performence was not what what we got in final product, because of drivers.
If it matches the 4080 performance for 600-650$, I'm going to buy it and finally say goodbye to my GTX 1070.
Ha, yeah, I would definitely upgrade from my GTX 1070 to that.
Think about that for a second. That's the price of a 7900XT that is $650, and it is still slower than the 4080 in RT
Stagnation
Don't get your hopes up. AMD needs to overperform first before we start making optimistic predictions. Usually they underperform a little relative to the hype.
Believe it when I see it... But given the 5080 Price leak from Australia, we have to have some hope somewhere...
Australia is usually between ten to twenty percent overpriced.
Their currency is also weaker, so if you do the conversion for usd, minus the higher twenty percent price,
It puts add closer to $1300 so it'll probably sell for $1400, making it a $200 msrp or a $600 real discount versus 4090 but with 8 gigs less vram.
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br Still 1400$ for 16gb vram is... bad
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br Nah, current exchange rate has it like 1600-1700USD.
Remember that price has aussie sales tax built in.
We have 10pc sales tax, plus we're literally half way around the globe, that's why it often feels like we end up paying almost 50% more in the end
@minus3dbintheteens60 mate the product comes from a place closer to Australia then the US.......Shipping ain't the issue.
A little late but Merry Christmas and happy New Years Paul!
6950XT 4 LIFE
doesnt that card consume an insane amount of power lol
@@CRF250R1521 yeah, seen so many times on r/AMD people recommend a 1000w PSU because the insane power spikes it has.
No worries though, they are remaking that gpu once again but with better power efficiency.. its called the 9070XT ;)
@@CRF250R1521 so what ? you can always undervolt
@@CRF250R1521 Nah, not really. My system consumes just over 400w at full load with 6950xt, 5700x3D, bunch of aRGB fans and a LCD screen in the case.
Leakers: 45% better RT performance than 7900xtx!
Also leakers: meh, barely 7900gre performance.
Also also leakers: almost 4080 performance!
Leakers please, make up your mind...
True
I’ve never seen rumors go back and forth on if it’s gonna suck or be decent.
If the rumor turns out to be true that 9070xt is close to rtx 4080 and msrp 500 usd, i will buy this card. Im sitting at an rtx 3080 and waitiing for a card that is at least 50% faster perf and lower prices for so long. Currently 4080 is roughly 50to 60% faster but cost way more than 700usd, its so stupid
An Arc B750 16GB with RX-7900GRE performance for $399.99-$459.99 would knock AMD to 3rd place within the year.
It wouldnt surprise me, if Intel, Nvidia and AMD had a meeting and they divided the market. Intel gets the enterypoint, AMD the middle and Nvidia the highend.
@@silver924 born Tuesday I see, when you get to Saturday we'll cover shareholders.
At those prices are you joking Intel would go bankrupt first before the year is up 😂. They are already not making much money or not at all even with the B580
Therefore, can Microsoft have enough supply for the high demand
If they can actually produce the bloody thing at decent capacity. Having a good product alone is not enough. They have to have capacity to saturate the market so everyone who wants one could actually buy it. Otherwise it will hurt their market share growth. That being said it's easy to grow from essentially 0% Alchemist "achieved". Not exactly a high bar.
As for AMD. Well that depends on them. If they keep making the same mistakes then their market share keeps falling. First thing they need to do is stop the bleeding. Only then can they start to think about growing again.
“Closes in on 4080 Super in select* games”
“Should be a bit** faster than the 7900GRE”
*assorted COD games
**realistic expectation
slightly faster than 6950 xt in timespy but comparable with a 7900 xtx in gaming. SCEPTICAL
3.0 to 3.1 GHz is 400mhz higher than the 7800xt boosted. Or 14.8% higher than the 7800xt. Add 6% more Compute Units to that equation with 64 vs 60 CU, and what you have is a GPU that's 20% faster than a 7800xt, or 5% to 10% faster than 7900 GRE. that's assuming almost 100% perfect clock, and core scaling. So good luck trying to squeeze another 20% out of that thing to get to RTX 4080/7900xtx performance.
unless they have a mechanic that is for the new class of cards id buy the RX 7900xtx and keep it pushing this card will not beat last gens 7900 xt or even come close to the 7900 xtx. Ray tracing is a gimmick and isn't needed to play any game. FSR is way more important that that mess anyway.
its a newer generation of cu stream processors etc
The 9070XT is simply an overclocked 64 compute unit 800 class GPU. Its going to struggle to keep up with the 7900XT in pure raster IMO, especially at 4K. AMD has lost it's mind if they think its worth $650 as rumors suggest.
the rumour was between $449-649. if they priced it at $449 it would sell decently, at $499 its pushing it, anything over that and its another massive flop from AMD. but if it really is 7900xt performance, it needs to be at the lowest price that was rumoured, maybe even less imo lol $399-$449 is what it should be priced at. $499 if it is closer to the 4080 but i cant see that being true at all
We’ll see about that
Somehow i really doubt -5% 4080 performance, one leak was 23k with real pictures, and another one -5% , which is around 28k. And ofc no picture. Just look at the specs same GDDR6 memory. rx 7800XT has 60 CU's/ 9070 XT 64 CU's do you guys really believe architecture alone would carry +45% performance gain?
Potentially yes, but we have no idea. If it's clocked 10% higher with 6.66% more CUs they'd need a 23.65% IPC improvement to reach +45% performance. In the leaked benchmarks that we saw, the 9070 XT was only 14% faster than the 7800 XT - that actually makes less sense than it being close-ish to 4080 performance considering it has 6.66% more CUs.
Do we really think that in terms of boost clock and architectural IPC improvements combined that AMD only obtained +7% performance?
RDNA3 would have to have a terrible bottleneck to give such spectacular results after unblocking it. Smells fishy.
@@Angel_Zodiac dude, that sounds extremely unrealistic lol no on is saying it will only be a 7% increase either, but defintely not a 40% and over uplift. the leaked benchmarks are much more in line with reality. id be surprised if this will match the 4070ti super. it should be very close to the 5070 in raster, so if they charge anything over $500 its DOA
9070XT has more than 25% clock speed compared to 7800XT. Couple that with 4 more CUs and IPC gains, I'd say it's very possible for it to perform at the level of 7900XT or better.
@@skychaos87 There will be basically no IPC gain couse of same node. 4 more cu's lmao that's like +7% more. Irrelevant performance gains.
Just seen a rumour that 5080 is $300 more than the 4080...I seriously hope this is massively filled with a truck full of salt or it needs to be DOA..whether a fanboy or neutral.
Nvidia have had that many "moving forward" Meetings they EXPECT a 100% gross profit. If they can't get it over charging us. They'll give us less. And gas light us with DLSS. AMD👍
exactly, there's no way they can up the prices of the midrange cards anymore, if the 5070 went up too $700 it would no longer be midrange...its not even really midrane as it is at $600. so instead they'll give us a smaller 15-20% uplift over the 4070 super for the same price. hardly exciting but it will sell regardless because its Nvidia
@PCgamingbenchmarktime AMD and intel are closing the gap. Ask yourself this. How many games could you blind test the difference. Do you want to play them games?.
@@Duarenteed you can clearly see the differences when upscaling is involved. FSR looks absolutely terrible. frame pacing is also an issue in a lot of games with Intel, im super sensitive to frame pacing/ stutter. so yes, i would very likely be able to tell the difference. i might even buy one of these cards to compare in benchmarks, but benchmark numbers dont always tell the whole story, frame pacing is much more important imo. you can see a lot of games in videos showing a frame time graph that its all over the place is a lot of games ( not all, intel is getting much better, i really hope they can improve over time )
Is it known what will happen with 7900 xtx? Will they stop producing it? Or maybe continue production but reduce price?
These days they like to stop production so that supply goes down, which makes prices go up. Works for them.
Neural rendering done analog to digital in oil and gas exploration and all sound wave graphic output for 2 decades. What's really interesting about image recognition and construction and interpolation is that all the application software is ancient and just has to be ported or recompiled there is a LOT or port available. mb
Why do I feel like I'm about to watch The Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous when I hear your intro...
AMD playing 4D chess, doubt it.
I think the cards are just underpowered and over priced,
What is the point of buying a little slower 4080 card from AMD when you could just buy a 4080 card.
The problem is there not releasing this product in a vaccume.
I just don't see the value, but if it was as fast as a 7900 xt then It wouldn't bother me so much.
Performance pr. watt is an underreported metric by UA-camrs, it matters way more to European consumers, because there's little point in buying a card if the savings get eaten by wattage costs...
Performance pr. watt when undervolted is my preferred p.o.v. when looking at GPUs
After watching Radeon 7000 series cards sub par pricing we are looking at their useless marketing team, how they will price new cards.
My water cooled Asrock Aqua 7900 XTX hits 3.1 GHZ boost with the extreme BIOS so not really that surprised
How are the Hotspot? I heard your card is equivalent or slightly stronger than 4090 in rasterization, is it true?
@@polomarco7053 hot spot is very good after replacing the horrible asrock paste/application. I used Gelid Solutions GC-Extreme and my hotspots dropped 25c degrees to about 75-80c full load. (around 50-55c core) I would say my rasterization is not quite 4090, but well above a stock 4080.
@@polomarco7053 Do you honestly think you can get over 25% more performance with just some overclocking?
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 it's not just overclocking, it's a different bios. I found a few 3Dmark benchmarks when browsing sellers on leboncoin and the card was “stronger” than a 4090 in non ray tracing, but i chose to buy a sapphire nitro instead. However, since i am doing a liquid cooling build, i will see if i can flash the bios on the “blank” “second bios” to see if true.
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 It's not just overclocking, it's a different bios. I found a few 3Dmark benchmarks when browsing sellers on leboncoin and the card was “stronger” than a 4090 in non ray tracing, but i chose to buy a brand new sapphire nitro instead (because of the fuse + wasn't planning on liquid cooling back then ). However, since i am doing a liquid cooling build (only waiting for gpu block, thermal putty and some plugs), i will see if i can flash the bios on the “blank” “second bios” to see if true.
Power in the range of 300W is what people should expect no matter who makes the GPU for a 2K gaming GPU, that also runs RT well enough to stay in the 2K gaming range, along with running AI upscaling.
A GPU is running a LOT of cores to do all this at the same time. So a really good quality 2K gaming GPU WHILE running RT, 300W+.
And also $600 - 650 USD
Hm... as far as I remember, after the disapointing AMD7xxx launch every Tech Tuber and my grandmother said something like "wait for the new drivers, there's gonna be more performance available".
How ever, two years later the performance picture hasn't changed, just a slight cost adjustment has occured.
I doubt the RDNA 4 gen will offer the level of cost/performance it requires to stand a chance against Nvidia. And the entry level is beiing swooped by Intel. Dark times ahead for us AMD users.
vex just released info on 50 series pricing...and it's bad, really bad...almost 2k for the 5080...
~1.5K. the australian price had taxes included. And 1.5K isnt quite "almost 2K".
@@Oozaru85 $1,700-ish...yes, that's `2k...and taxes are still part of the price(ignorant) so,
what is your argument here?...that these are "good" prices??? are you really defending nvidias pricing??? lmao, clown.
People have been saying 3ishGHz for at least 6 months. That's not news.
For me, the real question is if the tiny die size rumor is true and if they're using 3D cache stacking to accomplish it.
I watched a video today where a tech tuber got a leak from a small Australian retailer. They leaked the sale figures to them as 2545 Australian dollars for the retailer to buy and 2800 sale price for the 5080. That's £1388!
$379, at most $399 and AMD wins.
Over $400 and AMD will get a collective meh.
If AMD can bring the 9070XT, with 7900XT performance, at $449, they will have a winner here.
AMD HAS TO GET THE PRICE RIGHT THIS GENERATION OR ITS DOA. AND EVERY YEAR NVIDIA DONT HAVE ANY ONE GOING AGAINST THEM AT THE HIGHER END THEY ARE GONNA RAISE THE PRICE. I HATE CAPS LOCK 😂
Still dead in the water if over $500
Agreed! I'd even say that if it's more than $449 at launch, it's DOA.
I don't believe until I see it , we might get the RTX4080 performance for the price of an RTX 4070TiSuper witch is dead on arrival.
yeah i call bullshit, best case scenarion its slightly faster than the 7900xt, so maybe 10-15% behind the 4080. which would be fine if it was priced between $399-$449. at $499 it better be much closer to the 4080 ( which i doubt ) i have little hope for this card, Amd will probably price it at $499 with 7900xt performance which would be pretty pathetic 2 years later, could care less about the ray tracing improvements, everyone will end up buying the 5070 instead like every other generation lol. AMd needs to be aggressive and they probably wont be
wont be long now till we need 2 psu's,1 for your pc,1 for your gpu.
sandbagging specs as strategic market move?
Knowing AMD, the 9070XT is going to perform between the 5070 and 5070-Ti, and they are going to price it between them too, but closer to the 5070-Ti. So, expect $659-$679.99 for the 9070XT.
you mean 4070ti Altoid? AMD is competing with last gen not the new 5070ti than is an entire gen higher
RTX 5070 will most likely be faster than RX 9700X or whatever it will be called. Especially if the rumors are true that it is between 7900 GRE and 7900 XT in performance.
I expect 500-550.
At 660-680 it will be murdered in day one reviews. Not to mention the fact that i can buy 7900XT with more VRAM for that price.
Im thinking 499-599.
DOA if it is not priced below 500 tbh. That price for no generational uplift over 7900xt (which goes for less than that price I think now) in raster is hilarious.
reviews are out soon. Then we know.
Let's see if AMD gets some of the 3rd parties on board with AMD GPU support -- like Chaos Group, SideFX, Pixar, BorisFX, and Octane. And helps to get RedShift up to snuff; that would make a 48GB 9070/9080 variant very appealing for 3D rendering...
I do not appreciate AMD confusing us with the Nvidia naming, but if they will finally compete in reasonable price range (up to 500$) with almost top tier performance, I am all in :D
These numbers still don't add up, and neither does AMD only discontinuing the 7900 GRE. Why would they continue to produce the 7900 XT if the new card is faster than it? If people want more VRAM there's still the 7900 XTX.
They're not producing any Navi 31 and 32 cards.
The 7900xt and xtx have ended production
@@tadsnyder2756sources? There were news about 7900 gre discontinuation, but I didn't see the same news about xt and xtx
@@tadsnyder2756 Have they? I never heard any mention of anything but the 7900 GRE being stopped (and they've been completely out of stock here in the US for a while) though looking at stock and pricing info for the other two cards it does look like supply is dwindling.
🤯 the 7900xtx already hit 3200mhz and some, my 7900xtx hits 3300mhz pretty often but levels out around 3200mhz on 440w of power
I think I would buy the 9700 or 9070XT for $580 if the performance rumors are correct. I think any more than that and I'll be waiting or debating feature set on other cards. It will also depend on how my 3080 12GB performs in the next few game I play. If Avowed plays fine in February then I may just keep holding on.
Dude stop calling it 9700xt. You are not helping. How you keep messing it up still. 😂
I kind of hope the talk about Druid almost being clear for tape out three or four months back turns out to be true and the reason Intel hasn't shown any B770 or similar higher end cards is because they are instead preparing to get Druid on the market. That would make their new cards a lot more likely to upset Nvidia and AMD. Now I don't have any new information about these, I'm just hoping Intel can reach for the moon here. The chance of this happening is anyway extremely low. But I want to hope for something that might change the GPU market.
based on the numbers 23k vs rtx4070 this is equal to a rtx3080 17k and alu count rx9070 must be run at 3,06ghz this is plausible
for 29k points the gpu must run at 4,0ghz this is not possible the second number is cpu score with an r7 9800x3d possible at 5,2ghz
4080 like performance for 549-599$ would be great but I believe it'll be closer to a 4070 Ti Super. I expect it to beat the 7900 GRE and 4070 Ti but not by much.
how are those prices great ? i cant understand that logic at all. that would be extremely close to the 5070 pricing. the 5070 should be close to a 4070ti super in performance for $599 (nvidia would be crazy to up the price for such a small uplift over the 4070 super ) for AMD to be competitive it would need to be a max price of $499, and thats only IF it really was within 5% of the 4080...which i highly doubt. i can see it being close to the 4070ti super at best. in which case it would need to be $449 or less
rumors say this is 4080 performance, the price has to be slashed to make a dent with nvidia
If its true that power draw is HUGE. Its okay when you libe in a nirmal country that has reasonable electricity prices but for the UK thats rough.
To be fair, if it really is as powerful as a 4080, and the TDP is really about 265 watts, that isn't bad. A 4080 is 320 for the Nvidia versions I believe.
For me to be interested, AMD needs to hit a price to performance ratio of $600 for 7900XTX + substantially improved RT/FSR, or better. Since they probably won't make this performance target from the look of it, the price needs to come closer to $500 (or less) for the base cards and the AIB's can't jack the prices on custom coolers.
anything over $500 and im out, most people will just pay the extra $100 and get the 5070 which will probably perform about the same but better in RT and much better upscaling, we still dont know how FSR 4 will turn out and how quickly it will be introduced into games. AMD is unknown, Nvidia is already proven. it would be a disaster for AMD if they price it over $500, history repeats lol i'd like to think AMD isnt that dumb but the current gen's launch prices were mostly terrible and they actually went backwards with marketshare lol
@@PCgamingbenchmarktime We are in agreement then. I think FSR is doing OK. DLSS is still generally better, but comparing back to back in a handful of games, they each have pros and cons. FSR looks a little sharper and more vibrant, while DLSS has a softer, smoother look, for better or worse. The main thing is that DLSS has a tendency to clean up wonky textures, like hair for example, while FSR doesn't.
Amd also said the 7900xt was going to be the equivalent to the 4080 and it wasn't even close.
Lol AMD and Nvidia going back and forth with the "leaks". The 5090 is going to be 40-60% faster than the 4090 for $2000 US. Everything below it will be 20-30% faster than the previous generation. As for its production, they're having some problems but nothing major. It's delayed because of GB202 dies going to Quadro cards and data center. The 9070 XT is going to be competitive with the 5070 Ti, but significantly cheaper, around $600 US. This is why the 5070 Ti was bumped to 16GB. I'm optimistic that Nvidia isn't going to go insane on pricing with everything below the 5090. I'd expect the cards to be the same price as the previous gen or $50-$100 more expensive.
They are both scalping the Shit out of you Clowns.
yeah i was following along until you said the 9070xt will be competiting with the 5070ti. it will be much closer to the 5070. the specs are pretty weak, no way it gets that close to the 4080. maybe within 15% without overclocking. Amd will probably only price it $50 below the 5070 too lol. if it was $449 it would be an ok card, anything over $500 and everyone will buy the 5070
@PCgamingbenchmarktime 5070 is going to be around 4070 Ti/Super and 5070 Ti will be at best 10% faster than the 4080/Super. 9070 XT just needs to be within 10% of the 5070 Ti.
@26Guenter those are pretty much the exact estimates I've been thinking besides the 70ti being closer to 15% ahead of 4080. Pretty close lol. Estimates for the 9070xt on the other hand differ ,the specs don't line up. I just can't see the 9070xt being any better than the 7900xt in raster, in sure it will be around 15-20% better in RT but who cares honestly lol. Still will be behind the 50 series cards by a good amount. The 5070 and 9070xt should be pretty close in raster imo, probably 20% behind in RT and we still have no clue how fsr 4 will turn out, and nvidia will have dlss 4 apparently to make it even more difficult on Amd lol. Amd really needs to price this right. $449 would make it compelling enough to buy over the 5070, at $499 most people will buy nvidia like always. AMD said they're going to be more aggressive in the low to midrange with the cards. Anything above $449 is not being aggressive, the only way $499 would be appealing is if Nvidia is stupid enough to increase the prices by $50 up to $649. Which wouldn't surprise me, but with such a small uplift over the 4070 super that would be asking for trouble lol
I don't understand the issues people are having with names, the purpose is identification and positioning. Nothing else matters.
Unless you're the type that doesn't like change, you'll never be satisfied.
If AMD fails to compete with the 4080 this generation, you either go with NVidia and only have 12-16GB of VRAM, or get a 7800 XTX. I really hope there will be a 9090 XT or something that beats their best current gen in raw raster performance.
well, rumors were that the 8060 igpu was putting to shame the rtx4060,..so I am kinda expecting discrete rdna4 be around a 4080..or why else would they even bother..
A lot of people compare this '9070' to the rx5700xt, forgetting it beat all of AMD previous gpus, including the vega64 and was in a league with the 2070 (which by today's standards was an xx80 card)...so yeah, if rdna4 repeats all that it'll be allright. Plus it won't have the 'no raytracing' stigma that damaged the 5700xt so much.
needs to be $500 or less, or not interested
Even if it's 5Ghz, it's still slated to be slower than an a fucking 7900XTX
Pcie 4 or 5 you think ?
AMD need to play it smart if they promise dev they'll going raise market share going to high can end up people going back to nvidia.
Guys why is the 9070XT compared to a 4080, when a 7900XTX is compared to a 4080 super?
Get ready for $2000 5080s now that AMD isn't in the fight anymore.
If this is from AMD and talking about GPUs, taper down your expectations. AMD GPUs NEVER live up to AMD's own hype. NEVER.
Big fan of their CPUs however...
Na AMD are going to price it like NVIDIA and get almost no sales... like they have tried for the past 3 generations.
Atleast they aint calling it a 9080xt
Team red fanboy stop posting about nvidia you clearly don't understand anything about real computers.
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500-600 for a 7900 GRE equivalent is not a good deal.
Watch the video 😂
@@qwertyqwerty-zi6dr it doesn't mean its true. that guy making the performance claims has been saying some whacky numbers for a while. previously it had been 10% from the 4080. the leaked benchmarks make more sense for the specs of the card. i wouldn't be expecting anything over 7900Xt performance. the card would need to be under $449 to be worth considering
Agreed! If the 9070XT is more than $449 at launch, it's DOA!
It's so easy to be mad at myself for selling my 4070 and getting the 4070ti super when alot better cards coming out.but next will be either 4090 or 5090 cause not worth getting a card with same vram .I'm at my limit on my games at 4k.but be nice to see how new amd cards are going be and who knows they may beat what I have.love the channel ❤
my guess is that the 9070xt will probably very close to your card, at least in raster. RT is a different story, also we dont know how good or bad FSR 4 will be or how quickly they'll implement into games. i think you're good with your purchase
@PCgamingbenchmarktime thanks man good have someone that inspires 👌
These headlines are so confusing. "AMD 9000 series performance underwhelming" also "AMD 9070 better than expected?????"
I dont care if it good or not, just set the price well and we buy.
Price rumors?
Last i heard top end 650. If this is the performance it looks really a likely price too
It won't be within 5% of the 4080. It will be very similar to the GRE in raster.
Lol... Everyone here has seen the leaked benchmark... Clearly you haven't seen the clock speed leak from yesterday, nor it's analysis; else no one except for you has the inside scoop, clearly. I would bet that the CU's+clock+RDNA gen pieces of information are legit, and that the benchmark is what is untrue - since both leaks being real, at the same time, makes zero sense. Regardless I do not know anything for sure, obviously, and this is just a fun speculation game we are playing while we wait. Last time around the leaked benchmarks showed like 60% of their actual scores, which further reinforces that the benchmarks are the fake news. (likely to get nvidia to misprice their offerings, or underestimate competition, etc). Regardless; you are dumb - which is why you score poorly on standardized testing, rank poorly in competitive games, and are bottlenecked by your subpar intelligence - necessitating no further gpu upgrade at this time.
@@donniebigmac432 LMFAO.The guy who finally catches up with the conversation tries to 'mansplain' it to everyone else who is already iterating on the subject at hand. (excuse the use of 'mansplain'-I by no means intend to imply he isn't a female/cuck/Feg...)
A nerfed bios/driver would make sense. When board partners start making and testing the cards, the potential for leaks greatly increases. If AMD wants to keep the perfomance a secret, a nerfed bios would allow for the cards to be tested and the performance can be compared to AMDs numbers with the same bios. I know its some wishful thinking but we have already heard rumors claiming higher performance.
Also if the highest end card is a x700xt/x070xt, hopefully thats a sign that its going to be priced at the lower end of whats speculated. Calling it a x700xt whilst charging x800xt prices would just be an unnecessary blunder, but then this is AMD.
A purposefully-nerfed clock speed also rules out instability via excessive speed as a cause of issues when testing new hardware
I'm sorry but I think this is all wishful thinking. I think the leaked Timespy score is more or less what we can expect from these cards, which would make them a compelling option against the likes of the 4070 Super, but I just can't imagine AMD will release something competitive with even the current 4080, forget the 5080 which will probably come out within a month of this thing anyways.
It does seem like a really nice card if you are still stuck with a gen or two older one that has less than 16GB of VRAM. Why pay the NVIDIA premium unless you go all the way with 5080/5090?
Can’t wait for the 9070xt. I will be buying it at launch. I just hope it’s as fast or faster than a 7900xt
It will be
And have good rt performance
If amd prices it well
They could dominate
seems weird to say you are buying something that doesn't have specs or reviews Jeff. Tech life is filled with flops and flounders that are exposed at launch.
23000 time spy graphics (7900gre) 25500 oc (7900xt vanilla)
With all the disappointing 50 series specs only 9070XT could be a decent card.
@@blackface-b1v it has similar RT performance to the 7900xt. In what world is that good? NVIDIA will probably improve their RT by a much greater margin. Would not be surprised if a 5060 ti matches that in RT.
And do not bother replaying if your argument is that leaked RT performance in RE4 lol
All they did was flip numbers from the 7900xt and call it the 9700xt, but it's slower with less ram and the same price.
its a 9070XT , nice try though
3GHz for $3,000
Bro might be dyslexic
Iirc RDNA 3 was able to reach 3 ghz but for some reason it started artifacting and they couldn't figure out why. That's the reason they downclocked the final versions of RDNA 3.
7900xtx does it without artifacting
Hardware issue with artifacting something in the design did it when it was spined out at TSMC. RDNA3.5 Fixes it in handhelds, which are faster than regular based RDNA3. The 7900XTX doesn't Artifact because they removed some performance from it (-30%). It has to do with its RDNA3's dual issue pre-clock & combination of shader/RT cores problem which included the schedular. the driver fix could not remove the aritfacting.
@@ThaexakaMavro Idk if they are golden samples or what, but AMD wasn't comfortable releasing it in the wild.
i like how all tech tubers try hype radeon and amd say hold my beer i m going dissapoint again
I don't think 9070 XT is going to get close to 5070 Ti, but it could get close to 5070 if it is cranked up, I bet. AMD has generally made good hardware, it's just that their software is lacking. Better ray tracing would be nice but I can't expect it to compete with CUDA cores in stuff like Stable Diffusion. FSR 4 likely helps and is a step forward, but yeah, still mid. Thumbs up!
Price will need to be very low for this GPU to be worth it, knowing AMD they will once against fumble with price and try to sell it close to Nvidia price when it cannot compete at all
If it is around the 7900xt-GRE it shouldn't cost more than 399, because it is a new generation competing with ngreedia 5060 probably
$399? lmao!! the 5060 will be a 4060ti and the gre destroys it. The 7800xt kicks the 4060ti's ass
@bullyakker I would never pick a 4060ti over a 7800xt, but 90% of people will do it. So AMD needs to compete harder in price to increase market chairs. It has to be more than stupid to get the ngreedia card for AMD to become a real option for customers that are not hard tech enthusiastic
9700pro > FX5800
The FX5800 is a hair dryer. Nvidia had to use software workarounds to even get Directx 9 to run on this POS. Go with Radeon.
:D
9800XT I will never forget this legend.
@@Q36BN 9700pro and 9800pro are legeneds.
I’m hoping the %5 difference of the 4080 is true. I want to pass my 6900xt down to my wife and be able to enjoy true 4K game without upscaling being in performance mode.
I have the 6900xt and it isn't bad.
I don't expect it to be close to the 4080 but I big + if it is.
I also am holding out and if rtx 5k is decent ,I'll probably buy my 1st desktop nvdia gpu if I can't hold on any longer.
I was honestly hoping.The amd would have a high end option.So I could just get that, but i'm running out of patience
The only way I will buy RDNA4 is if they have a card faster than the 7900XTX, otherwise it’ll be NGreedia for me. 😢
$600 would be a terrible price. who would buy that over the 5070? it will just be another repeat of the last few generations. that would be hilarious lol. if it can almost match the 4080 ( highly doubt that, the specs dont look capable enough and the bandwith is pretty limited, cant see it being as good at 4k) then $499 would be an OKAY price. if it really is closer to the 7900XT and GRE it needs to be under $449. Amd is supposed to be targeting marketshare by being aggressive, that would be a huge fail to price it at $599 lol