RSL Speedwoofer 12S Subwoofer Review: True 16Hz Extension for $800?!?
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- The RSL Speedwoofer 12S builds on the venerable 10S MK2 but with a larger 12” driver and enclosure with 16Hz extension for only $800. James Larson reviewed the 12S and put it through music and movie torture testing and CEA-2010 and found it to be a significant upgrade from the Speedwoofer 10S. It’s not just quantitatively better, it’s qualitatively better. Now we have @therealshanelee take on dual Speedwoofer 12S subs integrated into his theater room to give his impressions.
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I went from 1 10S to a 10S + 10SII to the 12S. Man the 12S is a monster, it feels like the floorboards are moving when it hits low notes.. The 10S's are killer subs and they are all an incredible value, but man the 12S low end is just insane.
Do you prefer the single 12s to dual 10s? I have a single 10s mkII and trying to decide between an additional 10s vs switching to a single 12s. The only thing keeping me from the 12s is the fact that my movie room is under the kids bedrooms 😂😂
yo did you ever decide ? @@revaldo29
@@revaldo29 have u decided yet? I got the 12S and man that is really a monster
@@takeflightleakz8449 yes I got the 12s, it’s incredible . I was going to sell the 10s but decided to keep it and daisy chain it to the 12s. I have the 10s in a back corner handling everything above 40hz and the 12s in the front opposite corner doing everything below 40 Hz and it sounds incredible.
@@revaldo29 Did you end up with a 12s? I have the 10E and am trying to decide if adding a second one for just $300 is the better deal than upgrading to the 12S.
Great review Gene and Shane! Pity a few people feel the need to hijack the comments with bias and agendas and can’t just say “thank you for the free content and providing details I would have to otherwise PURCHASE to discover.”
Keep it real gents. The ones who know, know.
The engineering, design, build quality, and performance for the money is very hard to beat!!!
Agreed.
I don’t have space for a pair of these, but otherwise I’d definitely be checking them out.
Really it’s stunning how many high value, high quality subwoofer options there are nowadays. Even ten years ago the landscape was way less rich
Also, maybe they shouldn’t have mastered the Edge of Tomorrow intro that way.
It’s like the Will It Run Crysis of the home theater world 🙄
@@WeeWeeJumbo that's partly why they redid the intro for the 4K Blu-ray, I reckon they didn't expect people to actively try and wreck their gear with it, and with the proliferation of soundbar-systems with lackluster subs, they didn't want to risk people blowing things up.
Plus, everything below 20 Hz is pretty pointless anyway
@@TokeBoisen There's plenty below twenty.
Watched Nemo propaganda and he did an awesome review on it and comparing with rythmik and SVS, THIS IS the subwoofer to beat and my next purchase based on the price/quality ratio
Sounds pretty impressive for a 12" subwoofer.
You have to feel it to believe it
@@AA-ws3vddo you think 2 of these in place of my single SVS SB 16 Ultra will be a big enough improvement to justify the switch?
Great review. Just ordered 2 of these subs a few days ago.
And. How are they
A fun subwoofer that leaves enough cash to still pay my mortgage.
Shane, how do these 12s' subwoofers compare to the svs pb2000 pros you reviewed? Even though the price is different I feel these spec-wise compete against each other.
Very same question here
I’d say the 12s compares closely to the pb3000 rather than the pb2000 pro
Are you saying the 12s compares more closely with the pb-3000 and not the 2000 pro?@@demonreturns4336
Actually, Ludwig Goransson did the score for Tenet.
I saw this comment up front and I'm like, "Wait, he said Hans Zimmer for Tenet?" Then yep, he said Hans Zimmer... TWICE!
It was only said to see if Gene had real movie fans over here or just measurement fans 😉
@therealshanelee ... Hans thankfully picked Dune over Tenet. But extremely happy with Görranson's music in that. As for "movie fans," that's a whole other rabbit hole of a topic when it comes to home theatre!
Great review! How would you compare these to the Stark subwoofers, knowing they usually go on big sales and also dip into the infrasonic realm? Both are large-room certified on audioholics but obviously different design philosophy; big driver/small sealed box vs small driver/large ported box.
Well you’ll have less phase change issues when integrating with your mains, but the usefulness of that is debatable. I feel like if only buying 2, you would most likely want to stay ported. If you buy 4, then maybe sealed.
What about this compared to the Hsu VTF-3 MK5? It has a 15" driver with 150w RMS more than the Speedwoofer, for about $150 more. The finish is nicer as well.
Audioholics already did measurements and I think the HSU does measure better across the spectrum.
The HSU is for home theater, the RSL has far better sound quality
Shane, would you pick the RSL 12s over the HSU vtf15h?
That's stunning for a 12 inch. The hsu subs are about th3 only other thing to consider.
Another nicely done review Shane. I gave to ask do you think there is a big gap between these and the Starke sound sw15 regarding tactile presence, articulation and room pressurization.
This is a better sounding sub.
@@therealshanelee thank you
Thanks for this excellent review I just ordered two of the 12S ❤
Damn, I wish my 10S MkII had a high-pass filter and a line out. I had to buy a Rolls SX45 to get a high-pass filter. It's really handy and I'm glad I have it, but still, it seems like a pretty glaring omission in a subwoofer. ALL subwoofers should have that stuff!
Can you review the Rythmik FV15hp2. I hear great things about this sub but I haven't seen many reviews
I have 2 rsl 10smkII’s in my living room and love them. I got them just before they released to 12. Otherwise I might have 2 of those.
I read that tone at the beginning of Edge of Tomorrow is 10Hz. I wouldn't even try it for most subs for fear of damaging them.
I will love to see your review of the Tonewinner D4000 and D6000.
Guys... I am a music techno , EDM, rock home theater blockbuster crazy fan...
I love my music PUNCHING MY CHEST like in a club I have a room of 18x30.
Will it be enough... I don't want only punch I want also qualify for music with good transium and for the price I understood this speedwoofer 12s is a go to for a mix like I love...
Do you think 2 will is really required to get a good punch or to get it I really need 2...
I am looking also the tonnewinner d6000 15inch
Tonewinner is untested, so we can't recommend the brand. 2 RSL Speedwoofer 12S would rock your room if you have the space for them.
Need to get me one of these. Great review by Shane.
Uhh, the online review's long term output sweep data says the sub can generate around 77dB at 10hz but you're showing over 100dB in room. That's a ton of room gain. Were you using the box the sub came in as the listening room?
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When you have a properly setup room, with 2 of these running, its easy to see why the room gain+ dual sub setup comes in clutch.
Mr audioholicccccc is there ANY subwoofers with balanced in/outs that I can also use in a PC home studio with audio interface and powered monitors???? I have a krk sub and it sounds amazing but I want a home theater sub for the low lows but every studio sub doesn't even go that low (at a decent price that is)
This or the Rythmik FVX12? I am hung up on the decision.
I don't understand why we don't hear comparison with the SVS pb 2000 pro it's the exact correct competition
I chose two of these over two RP1400sw’s. Call me crazy but I’m happy with my choice.
Hi guy's, a small unrelated question if you don't mind, please.
Do MM phono cartridges need demagnetising.?
Would you go with 4 RSL for $3200 or 2JTR RS-1 Captivators for $6600 hitting 5Hz?
2 JTR's if you have the $$$
Shane, do you think 2 of these will vastly outperform my 1 SVS SB 16 Ultra in my 12x14 room?
Definitely interested. 12s or bigger for me.
Great review Shane 👍👍
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I wonder how these compare to a klipsch 14". I have a pair of the 14s and have never thought they were bad ass. They are good but I haven't been that impressed
My brother's Sub is in the best spot, 10 " sub Klipich volume is just below 50%, crossover is set 120Hz and the grill is off
Sub still sounds boomy, wood floors, semi or half vaulted ceiling patio door,
drywall walls and 3 medium size couch, love seat round corner seat and around corner other side Kitchen with other patio door
Bad room acoustics will kill bass EVEN if the sub is properly located in the room. Try putting a sub isolation pad under the sub and adding some mass to the room. A 2nd sub will help as well.
Thank You I also thinking some foam in corners?@@Audioholics
I found room and I don't have any wife factor to deal with. You should just order one, it's a remarkable box that will not disappoint
Would you recommend this sub over two rsl 10s subs for home theater?
My son has one RSL 10" and it really rocks in a big basement room. Two of those would give you better, more flexible room acoustics than one 12. Two is nearly always better than one!
i can tell you now call RSL. hopefully it isnt too late for me to tell you this. when i spoke to them they said 1 12s will outperform 2 10s. nemo propaganda also said the same thing as well. you can buy 2 12s as well. they will give you a discount when ordering more than one as well. i bought the one i have now 4 days ago. i called the day after i got it as im having an issue w my current one. i asked about ordering a second one and they offered me a discount. i will say their customer service is TOP NOTCH. ive been speaking w them daily trying to figure out my issue w mine. continuing tomorrow as well.
I wonder how that driver would perform in a smaller cabinet, it’s enormous!
How would u compare this subwoofer to a pb2000 pro ?
Hello gene...this may sound like a dumb question...what are your thoughts on ferrite cores on speaker cables?? Snake oil or do they have a purpose??...thanks
Ridiculous. Snake oil at its worst. It has no benefit and actually adds inductance as a result.
I definitely want one.
Would Love to see a comparison of RSL VS HSU
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I been on the bench with this sub and the rhythmic @$769 since I am more into music Rythmic TV12 is a better choice with servo design stop/start ' - Rel 7 looks nice but very small ' cab thanks for the video
This or the Monolith M-12 THX ported?
How does it compare to the SVS SB3000?
Not even a comparison did you mean the pb3000 by chance I’ve had the sb3000 and the rsl blows it out of the water
Not fair comparison since it’s sealed vs ported
The volume of cabinet for RSL 12s is 152 compare 60 for RSL 10s. Other 12 inch sub brand are around 70 ( ryhmik F12 and HSU VTF mk2) except rytjmik L12 with 49,5 and SVS pb 1000 pro that is 42 for a 12 inch sub !!! SVS sb 2000 pro is 52 go not lower in hz ( 19 /16) and cost more than 12s. The weight if 12s is 80 lbs compare to the 40 of svs 2000 sb pro !!!??? All are in mdf not hdf like monoprice monoluth sub or arendal.
What does phase dial do?
I don't have one of these subs, but typically anything to do with phase puts a delay of some sort on the signal in order to align the time phase of the sub to the phase of the mid/high speakers, measured from the listening position.
Instead of saying "even beats some of the 21-in subwoofers out there..." Maybe actually name the ones you're talking about. I'm actually curious because there's not a lot of 21-in subwoofers.
I know you're not talking about the PSA TV2112 because that will eat The RSL for lunch.
So which ones?
I think this was his reference: ua-cam.com/video/i2G_uX-wvrg/v-deo.htmlsi=WUcQ1rzLeNZgJ4BI
So he's comparing a 12-in ported subwoofer to a 21-in sealed subwoofer that people think he had set up incorrectly....smh.
He should have just never said anything about being better than a 21-in subwoofer... Just a ridiculous statement. I really like this sub by the way but you're comparing apples and oranges.
It's a shame that Tom and audioholics don't get along. He makes great subs.
@snauspockets9924 I only know Tom though forum groups and he hasn't been a very nice person to deal with. I haven't used any of his subs, but I trust Shane's judgment on subwoofers. He's had virtually every brand at his place, and he knows how to calibrate. The fact that he bought that PSA with his own money with the intent for it to be his reference sub lends even more credibility to his review, IMHO.
@@Audioholics @Audioholics let's not pretend that there isn't a long negative history between Tom V and Shady J(audioholics sub tester). They practically hate each other. You going to pretend you don't know about that?
I have quite a few dealings with Tom myself and he's been nothing but awesome and helpful... Not to mention a very good sub designer that co-founded SVS and designed All of their high-end subwoofers before leaving to start PSA.
I think most knowledgeable people here know that trying to say a 12-in subwoofer is going to outperform a well-designed 21 in subwoofer is silly. Even If the 21 is sealed and the 12 is ported.
All that being said I think this is an awesome subwoofer and one of the best options under $1,000.
I enjoy audioholics, don't get me wrong ...but I have 2x PSA TV2112 subs and they are outstanding.
Have a good weekend
Not a fan of Tom/PSA either. I tried to communicate with him through email to make a purchase a few years ago and he wouldn’t give me the time of day. Come to find out later that he hates shipping products into Canada. Probably good that it happened that way, as I came out way ahead with a far superior JTR setup.
Hmm, am I missing something here? the only things discussed here seem to be how loud it goes, how well it can reproduce gunshots 🙃
Did you seem to forget that subwoofers have a role to play in a music system setup ...... ? 🙁
Most Audioholics reviews seem to add value to me ... definitely not so here for me!
James gives detailed listening test results in his review:
www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-reviews/rsl-speedwoofer-12s-1
Did you not pay attention to the video? 4:31 addresses that concern. I made sure to make it a point to avoid this very pointless comment.
What 21" subwoofer is this better than? 9:20
Probably the Tekton 21" in some respects.
Ludwig Göransson made the Tenet score*
This is not an acoustic suspension design based on the cutaway view. The acoustic suspension design relies on the stuffing inside the enclosure to control the damping factor, not the mechanical suspension. This is accomplished by forcing the woofer to lose energy by pushing and pulling air between a large number of densely packed fibers whose aggregate surface area is enormous creating friction. The loss of energy is directly related to the velocity of the cone and not the frequency and hence the air being pushed and pulled. This is the b*dx/dt component of Newton's Second law of motion. This law applied to forced oscillation explains how every woofer/enclosure works and why the acoustic suspension principle which should have been called the pneumatic suspension principle works and why this principle is the best design. Still, within its limits this seems like a good value but should be crossed over at a very low frequency based on its poor performance above 50 to 60 hz. By comparison the Teledyne Acoustic Research AR9, my reference speaker, a 4 way design uses two opposing 12" side firing woofers crossed over at 200 hz with an 18 db per octave (3rd order) crossover to an 8" acoustic suspension lower midrange used as a woofer in designs like AR4x which operates up to 1.5 khz. This exploits the research by Roy Allison in both coupling the woofer to the room and eliminating the 200 hz suckout. The AR woofers are damped to Q=0.5 and a -3d point unequalized at 28 hz. My spectrum analyzer for what it's worth shows output down to 4 hz, the limit of its measurement. It's a real room shaker.
Nobody claimed this was an acoustic suspension enclosure.
@@Audioholics I know. Just saying that damping is controlled by the mechanical suspension. It could have been better.
@@markfischer3626to try and absorb all the bass frequencies via densely packed fiber is akin to infinite baffle/dipole woofer setup leading to very poor transient response/loss of bass tightness. Mechanical restoring force is absolutely needed for good transient response with properly sized bass reflex and even better for sealed enclosures with a QTC of around 0.7.
@andymack8178 It's just not true. Bass reflex woofers are like organ pipes or horn instruments in that at the resonance frequency air moves easily through the port. Half an octave above and below it's much harder. This is why the system resonant frequency is the effective lower limit of its useful response falling off at 24 dB per octave which is not equalizable. Acoustic Suspension speakers with a system Q of 0.707, critical da.ping falls off at 12 dB per octave which is equalizable. Infinite baffle drivers rely on their mechanical suspension for k and damping.
@@markfischer3626 I'm sorry Mark, you just don't have a clear understanding of what you're talking about. Everything I said is absolutely true.
What about compared to SVS xB-1000 pro or xB-2000 (non pro).
Pretty clear that this device blows those subs out of the water.
Mind you I love my SB2000 and I love my PC12NSD
Thanks, I'll add this to my short list for when I'm shopping to replace my chrysalis starfire-12@@WeeWeeJumbo
@@WeeWeeJumbowhat about it makes it clearly better than a SVS PB-2000....Especially when the 2000's could be had for $599 each.
@@WeeWeeJumbo which one of those two do you like better? I've seen both for sale near me.
I don't use powered subs anymore. I use car audio class D amps in my home theater setup. I run 4 15" subs @ 3000 watts each on 2 planet audio amps, way more accurate than any powered sub.
Lol 12v amps in home environment. 3kwatts at 12V, good luck my friend.
@@Audioholics on 100amp circuit, on 20v power supplies
@@Audioholics been working flawlessly for years
@@jankof76 you run your subs on a 100A circuit? Damn. I guess if you have no concern for your power bill then go for it
I think that you need to compare this subs more in the price range, comparing it to something that cost 5 times more May not be a good comparison.
Like say how to campare a Toyota to a Mercedes or lexus to a Ferrari.
Not such a great comparison.
It was compared to one cheaper subwoofer and one more expensive subwoofer.
Comparing these to the perlisten 210s is a huge compliment to these subs if you know anything about perlisten you know that's saying how capable these really are for the price.
My system uses balanced cables throughout so i would not rule out this subwoofer but it makes allot of us balanced guys irritated when manufacturers dont use balanced ins and outs. It doesn't add that much to the final product cost. I would pay another hundred bucks to have balanced connections. 🤟
Most people wouldn’t though, and that’s why they don’t.
Yeah i feel you man 😭 or for people with PC home studios. Most studio subs dont even go that low at a decent cost
Shane nit picking?
edge of tomorrowat the start, that’s not even part of the movie. it’s just a lame sine wave 🤦🏻🤦🏻 so it’s pointless
Ah im a 2 channel only guy has to peace out
Taking shots at PSA huh 😂
No disrespect, but I'm not the biggest fan of these Shane review videos
What started out as a decent speedwoofer price wise for under 500 $ is now overpriced, talk about price gouging!!!
The Speedwoofer 10s is still $450 shipped and an incredible deal. You can't expect the 12s to not cost more considering it has a 12" driver, larger cabinet, and more powerful amp.
16 Hz? who measured that and where? 16Hz wavelength is 70 FEET LONG!! Do you or anyone else have a 70 foot listening space? The lowest Hz of any speaker is determined by the size of the room NOT what some company tells me. Most claims are BS. I build and design my own speakers and subs and I have extensive measuring equipment to see what I am hearing. I designed 2 dual 12" subs built to the golden ratio and the drivers are diametrically opposed so little vibration and even less harmonic distortion, and even when placed in the corners of my room the lowest frequency I can obtain is about 20 Hz measured by my Velodyne SMS and I have a large listening area and an open house design. Just using some common sense and measuring equipment and READING.
Wow, congrats on making one of the dumbest posts on our channel. By your logic, you can't have deep bass in a car. My theater room is 25ft long yet my measured bass response is 7hz at -3dB. We actually measured the RSL both outdoor groundplane and in-room and both sets of measurements disprove your faulty logic.
Agreed with Gene, by this logic my tiny home theatre room shouldn't have bass under 60hz.
How about headphones ??????
Plus, the Velodyne SMS measurement system is way way below current technology
Can I use this 12 s subwoofer for dj use ??
Does anyone have experience with both the Arendal 1961 1v and the Rsl speedwoofer 12? They are roughly the same size and power and both have the same extension spec. I already have an Arendal I just 🥹want to know would it be a significant upgrade. This extra money is burning a hole in my pocket.🥹
No experience with either, but I think the 1961 1V is the more premium product. More premium build quality and more features. Performance wise they are probably very close.