Has the standard FALLEN since Lionel Messi & Cristiano Ronaldo LEFT? 🤔 | ESPN FC Extra Time
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2024
- Ian Darke, Shaka Hislop and Craig Burley join Dan Thomas on ESPN FC Extra Time to answer fans’ questions and discuss:
0:00 Ian’s internet is working!
0:45 Can Pochettino be given credit?
1:38 Does Pep regret letting Cole Palmer go?
3:55 Who does Kalvin Phillips want to win in City vs. West Ham?
4:50 Would Arsenal winning be better for the league?
8:06 Should everyone go for a GK like Lunin?
9:35 Is Lunin upset about the UCL final?
12:49 Are home grounds symbolic of their teams?
14:03 Can England really win with injuries?
16:29 Has the standard fallen since Messi & Ronaldo?
16:45 Why didn't Shaka play in the Legends Game?
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Using Messi, Ronaldo as a click bait & not even having a minute long segment of it. Is just annoying nowadays
15seconds to pull the viewers in.
Your comment made me exit fast, thanks
thx, glad i scrolled down as the vid was starting and saw your comment.
It's just proof of what the true answer to their question
I've seen tweets crying that ballon d'or favourites nowadays don't score as many goals every season as Messi and CR7
Well it's because Messi and Ronaldo made 50 goal seasons look like a normal thing
And 'Christiano and Messiah' had complete teams built around to serve them only -the one individual. For the One was the 'saviour' of the entire team, even though everyone else was more or less made to sacrifice their own individual talents in order to help them shine much brighter than the rest. But if goals is the only merit; have we already forgotten how many a certain Norwegian scored last season.
@@OGCHuila Facts. If people are crying about "the standard of football falling that 20 goal seasons are good enough to win ballon d'ors" then why are they crying when Haaland was up for the award (before he lost it to Messi)? The argument against Haaland winning these awards is pathetic, they say things like "I personally don't want haaland to be recognised as the best player in the world cause he doesn't make me fall in love with football like Ronaldinho or Zidane"
Stop making excuses Haaland did it only once so it means it can be done but Messi and Ronaldo are too good
Literally last season halland had better stats than messi and lost
@@rohithraman6488now I wanted this,Messi had 5 less G+Assists during that season,but people say Messi didn't do anything. Thays why Messi and Ronaldo have set high standards,that at 36 years,he had 34 goals,30 assists =64compared to Haaland's 58 goals 8 assists=66. People said Messi didn't deserve it,when he matched Haaland. Won a continental trophy like world cup,Just as ucl for haland,A league title in paris,like Haaland in epl,Coupe de France in France like Haaland FA. But to many,Messi did nothing. Why? Because Messi and Ronaldo made those numbers ordinary
The standard is not fallen. It went back to normal, before Messi and ronaldo era
It was better before their era what you talking about?
@@silentk9396 the fact that messi and cr7 made 50 goal seasons look normal, back before them 20-25 goal seasons were considered ballon d'or worthy and they have gone back to that now. That's the point I think
It's not only about number of goals they did (and still are 😀) score, BUT also HOW did they do this!!!!!
Agree 💯
Messi and Ronaldo made 50/20 seasons look normal
I don't remember a season where Ronaldo had 20 assists? Goals sure.
@@gslang3489he had in 14/15
@@gslang3489You are right at Madrid he didn't. He actually always stole his teammates goals.
@@zerus4435Bro just started a war 💀😂
@@_A7XLook at how Benzema started to play like in his Lyon days after Penaldo left.
Wow. So exactly *23 seconds* of this video is about the title. Click bait much, ESPN? 🙃
Messi and Ronaldo were incredible. To be so consistent for sooo long.
Will never happen again
This was a great ERA for us spectating such greatness of 2 eternal rivals ... This is difficult to recreate in the future.
Exactly: any goalscorer can have a "great season" and score 40+ goals in all competitions.
However, for Messi and CR7, "a normal season" STARTED @ 40 goals: both of them have TWELVE "normal seasons".
They had an easy ride in an era of "defenders" who don't know how to defend, and Harry Maguire became the most expensive "defender" of all-time. 😄😆😂🤣
Esp. Messi.
Having Messi and Ronaldo in Spain at the same time, playing with the world's two most iconic, successful clubs, made La Liga the most exciting league in the world. Having Zidane, Figo, etc in the same league didn't hurt either.
I can't find a youngster nowadays who is complete as like Messi and Ronaldo were. complete by both performance and achievements. The greatest players of the greatest era of the greatest sport.
You can't fault youngsters for not being complete in their achievements. Achievements take time.
How do you know it was the greatest era?
@@JarrettMehldauMessi and Ronaldo had achievements when they were 21/22.
The R9, Zidane era was better, Way more ballers around.
Neither Ronaldo or Messi were complete as youngsters
These both are literally out if the world, both are monsters. Sauid league and MLS gaind popularity because of them.
Not Saudi
Stadiums are empty.
Only if it’s Al hilal against Al nasrr you see fans,opposite messi stadiums are full.
Where is the discussion about the subject of the video. Thumbs down and I unsubscribed.
@@lamrof what?
Ngl both of them are performing far far better than most of the youngsters rn. Ppl always comes up with the league they play but forgetting thier age. 39 and 36. Considering both of thier age , both are still class 🐐🐐
Of course, they're still good. They were the two best footballers for well over a decade. But come on. You don't really believe that they are still at the top. They could score 100 goals in these leagues and not be in the conversation for ballon dor. The level of these leagues is just too low.
And I don't know who you mean by youngsters. Mbappe, Haaland, Vinicius and bellingham are definitely better than them at the moment
Messi is still at d top level I don't know why he left Europe
@@tojusote4896 Me neither. I guess he just wants to enjoy life in the United States. And he's done enough for football so I'd say he deserves it.
@Alroc2860 Yes, he is
He has the BdO to back that up
Example on how Messi is still better than Mbappe you go to WC22
Saying Belingham is as good as Mbappe is just stupid
@@tojusote4896 Doesn't have the legs anymore. He's injured again.
it's mad that Messi once finished 5th in the d'or rankings with like 80G/A
And they say the award is magically rigged for him. Yeah right
He don't won nothin important in that year Ronaldo won ucl and score more goals that year and still don't won.
@@hiyo-zc4ti
Ronaldo won the Ballon D'Or in 2013 without winning a single trophy. So what is your next excuse? Scored more goals? Messi won the European golden boot in 2018.
@@Zagirus Ronaldo won ucl in 2018 and score more goals.messi also not won nothing in 2012 and still won balloon deor not only Ronaldo in 2013
@@hiyo-zc4ti well 91 is a world record. 69 isn't.
This is what you don’t compare anyone to Messi and Ronaldo. Dumb discussions like this come up.
I miss those days 2010 to 2018 when we watched messi and ronaldo performing every week at top level. Those days were taken for granted. Miss them so much now 😢. It was an absolute treat
CR and Messi were something else, out of this world!! ...Its all easy to cope with, unless you have no idea about football! 🤷♂️
Football will never be the same again..
The biggest rivalry in football is Messi-Ronaldo rivalry..Being on top for 10 years going against each other, pushing each other to heights no player could ever dream of again
Mbappe is literally trying
Not saying he is has good but think he thinks he is
These 2 extraordinary players have warped our minds on the expectations and limits of a player..
They've completely changed how we view players abilities and it'll take a very long time to get used to time before Messi and Ronaldo again when 20 goals per season wasn't considered merrr
Take Messi OUT of this, he is on another level
Goals aren't everything. Also, during Messi's and Cristiano's prime Iniesta, Robben, Bale, Suarez, Neymar, Ribery, Rooney, RVP, Di Maria, Sneijder played and showed us beautiful football, let's not forget that. This whole fixation on Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo stems from such a narrow view on football and its (recent) history. Yes, they were exceptional, but football was great before them, during their time, even when they lost and were out of the picture, and it's still great now, while they're in the twilght of their careers.
@-eL--RaL- Why are commenting on your second account, get a life basement nerd
@@JarrettMehldau not narrow at all. its because consistency. only ronaldo and messi can do this. while everyone else fail
If people think bellingham is between the top 5 players the standard definitely drop
Well Haaland score 40+ goals last season and won a treble. Has 39 G/A in 39 games this season. Mbappe and Kane numbers are also really impressive.
La Liga standard has definitely dropped (besides Real Madrid).
What has dropped?? Prem fans are hilariously deluded asf
LaLiga standards being "dRoPpEd" still beat Prem in Europe..
In LaLiga, every club knows how to tactically and technically play the game unlike Prem where only City are tactically great..
@@_A7XJust because you're a city fan doesn't mean only city knows how to play
@Sadviolinsound only Man City and Arsenal knows how to play proper football concistantly for me
real also dropped lol. vini would have barely made on the bench in bbc era. plus defense is nothing what it was after pepe and ramos.
True ❤
You can actually call the Ligue 1 and Bundesliga farmers leagues because one team has wayyyy more resources than the others
But for the PL to be a farmers league (City winning 6 in 7 years ) when you have 7 other teams that have the same recourses as Man City is EMBARRASSING
Same resources is a bit of a stretch City have arguably the better manager and better recruitment but for sure they are closer to Man City it's not that embarrassing considering Manchester City have been outstanding these last few seasons.
It's not city's fault that the other clubs; Chelsea, man u, etc, don't sharpen their recruitment board and their staff.... City is good at doing business, they've show that it doesn't all matter in bulks of cash
Simple answer is yes in terms of individual performances and that cannot be denied nor argued
Ronaldo and Messi’s rivalry brought football to another level. There are still debating who is the GOAT between them till forever in this greatest sport in the world
The fact city got €40 mil for Palmer was perfect business
It just turns out it was also perfect business for Chelsea
Cristiano Ronaldo this season:
53 goals⚽️
14 assists🅰️
Lionel Messi this season:
23 goals⚽️
15 assists🅰️
Ronaldo at 39 has twice the numbers than the Ballon D’or 2024 favourites and Messi despite having a big break in mid season still has similar numbers.
The level indeed fell off significantly and don’t come with the BS that oh it’s Saudi and USA only come when someone else put the same numbers as these two goats putting it because no one else is doing it except them🐐🐐
Lol messi needs to inivite his friends to put up these numbers meanwhile cr7 was putting up these numbers in Europe at messi's age in serie A 😂 do not compare messi to Ronaldo
You do realise MLS season only started in late FEB 2024. Messi has played a total of 9 MLS games only and 3 Concaf champions league matches. He has 12 Goals and 11 Assists in 13 appearances this season (and he has missed most of it due to injury) unheard of in the MLS just last week he was leading the league as both top scorer and top playmaker.
The Saudi pro league season started in August 2023 in fact Cristiano has only 3 games left for the end of the season. His stats are as follows 28 Saudi pro league appearances and has played in Saudi super cup and AFC champions league a total of 9 additional appearances. Total 37 appearances of which he has been outstanding and scored 39 Goals and 11 assists a superb season.
Both are the best of the best of footballers (even now as they reach the end of their careers, as no other footballer before them has been able to get those numbers consistently even in weaker leagues). We have been blessed to have had the chance to see them but it's important to get the facts right and not make it seem different to people who read comments but don't follow.
The facts are clear without any dispute that Messi is in a league of his own not only scoring simple goals but continuing his magical goals, assists and dribbles, completely changing his whole team and the league. Filling in American football stadiums. Single Handley changing the sports culture in USA and inspiring new generations to dream to be footballers. No one plays the type of magic football Messi does, the excitement to watch his every move is unmatched. Even when he doesn't score or assist which is unlikely it's still a joy to watch.
You don't know the season in MLS is calendar year while it's Aug to May in Saudi league. You can't compare when MLS is not happening from Dec to Feb.
@@Godplayzdice The comparison makes no sense unless all competitions including international games are included and are both based on the calendar year.
MLS season is not a calendar year. The regular season ends Oct. They then have playoffs which will continue through November. The regular season is 8 months long, before playoffs (9 months with playoffs). Saudi League from Aug-May is 10 months. You should compare season stats once a season is over for each player and then look at the amount of games played and compare performances. The original comment mentions "This Season", which is why I was making the point about it not being an accurate reflection of the actual season.
@@jshl9779 I know man I was supporting you with my comment that can't compare MLS season vs SPL season.
Cole Palmer's brilliance at Chelsea has been amazing as no one expected him to have this good of a season, 24 goals 17 assists 41 G/A in all competitions, 22 goals and 10 assists 32 G/A in the premier league alone 2nd top scorer in the league despite not being a striker and is top 5 in assists as well, but Manchester City made the right call in getting rid of him last summer. The reason for that is because he was barely getting game time, he was in a team that was guaranteed to win trophies, and that's important in a player's career, he didn't want to be a benchwarmer and even when he was expected to have a bigger role this season, he knew that he still won't play a lot and he was asking to leave for 2 seasons. His decision to leave Manchester City was a brave risk and a gamble that paid off because even though he was on a proper team managed by Pep Guardiola and a side that wins trophies, he felt as if he would benefit with a bigger role on Chelsea on a much weaker side who have seen attackers struggle there time and time again. Who would've thought that he'd explode this season. The numbers that he has produced this season is staggering, he's been carrying Chelsea all season and without him they would be be in 15th place and he's a contender for premier league player of the season and he'll make the England squad at the EUROs and Gareth Southgate might consider starting him. Manchester City made the right decision in selling as he didn't want to be there. With Palmer in this form imagine him in the current City team alongside Erling Haaland and Phil Foden in attack with Kevin De Bruyne behind them.
That's what I'm saying to Alvarez, he shouldn't signed a new contract with them if he is just sitting on the bench and a subs, he needs to be starter and play longer minutes to harness his talent
It's not Seb you have to worry about Dan, it's that Kay Murray, she's got your number 😂
Not even close. Dan's the man.
yes level dropped hard, only mercinaries. messi was the last dog. on top you had also robben, ribery, falcao, sneider, hazard etc pulling not so far from messi ronaldo.
Obviously the standard has fallen because nobody is as good as them, and we won’t see anyone as good as Messi and ronaldo for many years to come
Messi and Ronaldo were something else, in a way you can see football is back to normal but there has been a dip in quality in certain positions (full back, strikers, certain types of midfielders).
LaLiga definitely fell in quality. Madrid for me is almost as strong as Ronaldo days, it's just that they play more like a team now redistributing the goals around the team, but probably will go back to playing for Mbape when/if he joins. Atletico is pretty much same as always, tho a big revamp is coming their way, as a lot of main players getting old, and others not working out for them. Barcelona has fallen off badly, with a lot of decisions to be made in the summer, and Lewandowski replacement needed. Valencia is a ruin. Villarreal sold their best players and bought no one. Sevilla is a shadow of it's former self which is a pity. They always sell their best players and try to replace on the cheap, but got caught this time. Girona, Bilbao, Sociedad and Betis are good teams but that's it. But if you look across all of the big leagues the situation is the same everywhere. Just look at England, and teams like Pool, Chelsea, UTD etc.. In Germany Bayern are all messed up, In Italy Juve and Milan, In France PSG are not what they used to be as well.
Yes Messi but no Ronaldo. CR9 was one of my favorite but honestly not at Messi level. There was Pele, Maradona, Ronaldo Nazario and then there was Messi. CR9 is not on this level.
I think that voters fatigue has had a negative impact on the Ballon Dor in recent years. More people will appreciate Messi and Ronaldo now than they did years ago especially when it came to the Ballon Dor because people got tired of both of them winning this award every time and people wanted to see a different winner. Both of them won a combined total of 13 Ballon Dors meanwhile some players have 1 or haven’t even won a Ballon Dor. Now both of them don’t play in Europe anymore as one is in the MLS and the other is in Saudi Arabia meaning that the Ballon Dor is open and anybody can be the best player in the world. If one of Kylian Mbappe Erling Haaland Jude Bellingham and Vinicius Junior wins the Ballon Dor people will say “football has dropped off”. Why, because according to fans Mbappe plays in a farmers league, Haaland is a “tap in merchant”, Bellingham lives off of Madrid PR always ghosting in big games, and Vini is very provocative and annoying. People wanted to see a new face and a different player be the best in the world, now people say that football is boring without Messi and Ronaldo and in some sense it’s true that at times we did take their greatness for granted especially since we spent too much time comparing them. The Ballon Dor in some sense is dropping off in recent years and when Messi and Ronaldo were at their peak, I like how the Ballon Dor was decided between the 2. Both of them put up 50+ goals identical stats, the only way to differentiate them in a given season and decided the best player in the world between the 2 is off of who won more trophies and that was fair. Now, anyone can win the Ballon Dor and be the best player in the world because they played on a team that won a lot of trophies even though they weren’t even the best player on that team throughout the season. Their greatness will be appreciated much more in the coming years because in their own way they’re irreplaceable.
30 G/A gets you into the Ballon D'Or conversation now. Messi almost had 80 G/A in 2018 and finished 5th
Well ronaldo with better goal ratio and despite winning the UCL finished second so its understandable that messi who was below ronaldo that season finished 3rd
@@vikashkumarsharma1412Messi has far more goals and assists While winning many more team trophies and individual awards while carrying a far lesser Barcelona everywhere all year and Season long back then yet barely came 5th while Ronaldo easily came 2nd to his own teammate Modric who took it away from him After hé left Real Madrid
@@zakariadjouzi660
U have done phd in waffling 😂
@@KuldeepSingh-gg1jm You have done phd in barking and deluding loooool
I only watched 10-15 sec of this entire clip. You guessed it correctly. Congratulation!!
Put some respect on Lunin name
The title of the video is off🤨
When we are older and the new generations have come we will fondly say that we lived during the time when Ronaldo and Messi played. What a privilege it was to watch them.
goat and cr7 kinda ruined the game for me. now its all about stats not talent, players like xavi, iniesta and zedane would be super underrated with todays fans.
it's rather Ronaldo fans who ruined football becuz they knew their idol wasn't a great footballer but just a great goalscorer so they always sneak in stats
Goat and Messi ruined it for me too. Next season hopefully Vini and Mbappe brings back that competition
@@RamkeevYou can take 209 goals of Messi and Messi is still better is more than goals to be the best
So this is where the crybabies cry.
@@mem5860 u can take 2 UCL trophy from ronaldo but he still will be MR UCL
I was recently just thinking about it …… Messi and Ronaldo are really phenomenal players
50 goals per season was so normal in their time but so hard to replicate now , but look at how we praise those who average 20 goal contributions a season.
The standard has indeed fallen.
Yes it has. No one deserves the ballon d or this year. No one comes close to what they did
You can't say no one deserve Ballon d or this year while you have good keepers and defenders who played well. It's not about goals and assists in football
@@sabelosphalas1747 yeah i can, like a goalkeeper or defender is going to win yeah, yeah right
@@sabelosphalas1747this year Ballon D'or would not even finish Top 10 in Messi Ronaldo era.
Dan makes this show exciting 😂😂
Its jus vibes now 😩🤣
2015-16 season in La Liga 6 players score over 20+ goals or more (Cristiano Ronaldo Lionel Messi Neymar Luis Suarez Karim Benzema Antoine Griezmann and Aduriz), Gareth Bale was a goal away from achieving this feat and would’ve had it not been for injuries.
The numbers that Messi and Ronaldo were putting up on a season basis battling it out with each other scoring goals for fun I miss those days and we’ll never seen anything like that again. If you look at the race for the Pichichi top scorer award in La Liga the player who has the most goals in the league is Artem Doyvbk of Girona with 20 goals, 2nd is Jude Bellingham with 19 goals and he’s a midfielder and started his Real Madrid career with 10 goals in his first 10 league games and a Villarreal player is tied with him. Robert Lewandowski isn’t as prolific as he used to be and even he has a chance to win the Golden Boot for the 2nd season in a row. If this was Messi and Ronaldo at their very best, at this stage of a season they would have around 35-40 goals in La Liga. I can’t think of 2 players who were putting up video game numbers year after year and we grew accustomed to their greatness and the way we view stats is so different because of them. They set a high standards for themselves which does make them a “victim of their own success”. If they had a season where they scored around 25-30 goals that would be seen as an average season for them, but if any player had the exact same season they had, you would see them as a genuine Ballon Dor contender and both of them make these guys look like rookies.
once in a life time rivalry.
Its like Mike tyson and King Ali fighting in same era.
*No more clickbait please.* *I forwarded the conversation I didn't even catch the Messi Ronaldo debate*
The EPL was so exciting and on top the twist of FA cup . I'm a man U fan but I enjoyed the ending as well
As a RM fan, lunin distribution is very poor. Look at courtios yesterday, some huge and massive saves for us. Lunin could save very good but his positioning and distributions are very poor. 🤷♂️
be quiet. Nonsense.
@@zerus4435 tell your mother that, right?! When he leaves RM you will see for yourself. I am a RM fan for 25 years. I seen it all, trust me.
WTH are you talking about? yesterday courtois was king and he's absolutely better that Lunin as a goalkeeper but against a mid-team like Alaves we felt the difference Lunin was making with his feet so overall I can go both ways
@@ozoneA6 Please don't insult my mother i will start to cry. You are so scary. VARdrid gloryhunter.😂😂😂😂
@@zerus4435 yeah go cry little baby. Vardrid? But defending lunin?! So delusional.
Without doubt.
4:58 Did Ian just say that no team in the history of football has won 4 consecutive League titles after recognizing that finally somebody different won the Bundesliga after 11 years?
I think he misspoke and meant England, though I don't know if this is still true before the Premier league era
Yeah, he missed a word there.. he meant ENGLISH football.
I think Pep and Mourinho are missing. They made LA much stronger.
No standards haven't fallen ITS SIMPLY THAT QUALITY ISN T AROUND ANYMORE
Ronaldo and messi in teenage were far better talent than what are we seeing these days now
Not like its a deep field, but still... This is the BEST comedy sports show in the world
Dan's hilariously funny 😄😆
Their presence surely missed😢
In a word yes. We won’t see that anything like that era again. And they’re still doing it.
i don’t think i’ll be alive long enough to see another generation like messi and ronaldo
So true if Cole Palmer produces the same form next season he'll attract the 'Cream of the Crop' the likes of Madrid, Bayern, Man City and Paris Saint-Germain.
Bayern and PSG aren't bigger than Chelsea
@@MalteseBurger Bayern is a more prestigious Club than Chelsea (Both in historical terms and present performance). Paris Saint-Germain in every season is to be found competing in the Champions League; Chelsea miss European appearances every other season or two.
@@MalteseBurger Chelsea is nowhere near Bayern
The standard of the soccer fallen since Messi and Ronaldo left without any doubt. They both proved the high level of the leagues where they play at the end of their careers
We will never see Messi/Ronaldo brilliance, consistency, numbers, popularity and what is this guy talking about?
Cruyff's Barcelona won La Liga 4 Times in a row, Bayern like 10 times, PSG 5 times, Ajax from 2010 also 4 times, Juventus 9 times like 4 in a row isn't an achievement in Football maybe the Premier League and i think winning it 3 times in a row twice is a bigger accomplishment in the Prem.
at cristiano and messi's time we got used to 50+ goals per season, now we get 30+
Pickford does really well for England, even the last euros he played his part in the penalty shootout
Home ground roof is leaking but the supporters are still with the team when the team doesn't even believe in itself. That's heritage. Just love these man utd fans.
To shorten the video, YES
Really good performance today all around.
I swear Dan is a comedian lol
Well, laliga has proven your point better than anything else. This season, the pachichi is gonna be given to the player scoring 25 goals first😂😂 i remember, as a kid, i used to despise if a player(out of messi and ronaldo ofc) scored less than 50 goals in a season
@7:18 this part is funny, cuz a lot of the best players in the PL came from the bundesliga
For me, the standard fell a long time ago, especially in terms of mentality. That's why it's easier for Real Madrid to win the Champions League than it was a decade, 15 years ago. Everyone just wants the Messis, Ronaldos, Neymar, De Bruynes... Players with the perfect technique, shooting technique. I miss these mentality players ( Roy Kean, Vieira, Gattuso, Drogba) who may not have the technique as the players named above have, but tough fighters, hard players and hard to get down. Those who can also distribute well and skillfully if necessary. Who would not take a CL final loss or any defeat just like that and would also ensure that an important player of the opposing team is carried off the field with a (shoulder) injury.
Yes the standard has fallen, as a fellow madrista, vini should not be winning ballon d or. The game against Man City is proof. He had an aged Kyle Walker shut him down. You never saw that with CR7 or Messi
Vini is the standard now he is at the levels now for three consecutive season and he isn’t even on his prime
If you compare the standard to the peak years of them sure it has fallen. but compared to the last couple years from them clearly not. messi and ronaldo were not good at all right before they left the european leagues.
obviously, they are 39 and 36 now and not good at all? Ronaldo wasn't, Messi played as a playmaker at PSG, won the domestic doubles, has 60+ G/A in his last season at Europe and to top it all off not did he only win the WC with Argentina, he also won the WC Golden ball and the Ballon D'Or. He played a different role where he wasn't the primary goalscorer but a playmaker yet having more number of goals than any of the Ballon D'Or contenders
Shaka doesn’t know anything abt recruiting goalkeepers. Shaka was the same dude who recommended Kepa as a great shot stopper which was never the case. Even today Kepa is not a good goalkeeper. He asked to be loaned to Real Madrid with the hopes of becoming Courtois backup and failed miserably at it too.
Espn should stop talking about someone they disrespect every time
How does any reasonable producer, with a modest amount of taste and/or intelligence think that Dan Thomas is the best we can get?
Lol bro.. not now
hi
all im saying is messi should win the ballon dor this year easy if he has a well copa america, i see no other player having the same individual impact as him. miami even with suarez alva, busquets and other new signings still can´t win a game without messi. no messi no party. and yes standards have declined since messi and ronaldo left europe, now you will be lucky to see a player score more than 30 goals overall in a season, 40 goals a season is back to being an astonishing achievement. it´s crazy how high the bar was raised during that era
The greatest sports men to ever liver after Bolt, of course its gone down
messi and ronaldo setting the bar so high that ppl forgot the game played as a team. this isnt tennis.
tbh bar will be back to its place soon. when both finally retired.
scoring 50 to even 90goals in a year is just hard. even haland now fall short.
Since Messi left Barca football is kinda sheit :)
I love the banter with this group 😂
Just answer question Craig leave the managerial business to Poch!
Ronaldo gone actually raised the standards, because football is a team sport, remember??
Goals are not the only standard, and when they count they do for the team not just for a single player, unless you’re a 10 year old and need a hero figure for your fantasies.
Scoring goals is how you win games in football. Not as exciting as passing sideways and back, but keep watching. Eventually, you'll understand how it works.
@@TagusMan Not conceding goals is also necessary to win games. Let me know when you're 11-12 years old (or as smart as one), then we'll talk.
the question was about the award being won by someone that scored less than 25 goals. in the era of Messi and Ronaldo anything less than 30 goals will not get the job done. that is the greatness of Ronaldo and Messi.
You sound like a 14 yr old messi fangirl
Man utd was crowned a staggering 20+ premier league titles compared to Man city's lesser titles. Between the two who's title career is overdominant to deem the league boring? Bearing in mind that city won their first title after 30 huge years !!!
I don't think standard fallen but not raising anymore there now not such caliber anymore present days
click bait. 18 min video to talk about the headline for 15 seconds
It has not worked well for man City. Pep has been asked the palmer question every press conference. Man City should regret it everyday
Its amazing that the question is about Messi AND Ronaldo but Espn puts just the question on Messi in the thumbnail. Really interesting to know how much the messi camp pays Espn for free publicity
Rather, the owner does not invest more in the team for fear of being relegated. There is a risk. And relegation is unfavorable as it hurts the club's value and popularity. Also, the teams that are going to be relegated anyway have no motivation and nointention of winning. Defeat on purpose (e.g. Sheffield)
They gave up on the season and are being relegated.European football leagues must disclose salaries I don't understand why many football fans are against revealing players' contract salaries. I think player salaries are either too low or overrated. I think Haaland's annual salary is over $50 million. Honestly, there is no way the EPL salary would be that low. Does anyone know anything about Mbappe's contract? Why didn't you make it public in the first place? I don't know if it's after tax or before tax. The media always says different things. The same goes for the salaries of Griezmann and Suarez during their time in Barcelona. To begin with, La Liga is not sure whether some players' salaries are before or after tax. Always changing. First of all, the salaries of Messi and Ronaldo from 2011 to 2018 are estimated to be after-tax salaries.) And this is not accurate regarding Messi's contract. Laporta said Messi's salary must be paid until 2025. How much did he get paid? And many believe Mane's wages at Liverpool were £100,000 a week. First of all, Mane's agent said his salary is higher than reported in the media.American leagues disclose salaries. Messi's annual salary for 2023, as revealed by the MLS Players' Association, is $20 million. The base annual salary is $12 million. The media reports that it is over $50 million, but in reality it is much less than this. Conversely, if you look at the wage bill, EPL clubs spend more money than the media reports, with Manchester City spending more than 300 million pounds, and Liverpool and Chelsea spending more than 250 million pounds. (Please disclose player salaries, contracts, and salaries.
And why are some people asking
(there will be comments asking why I don't disclose my salary, but I'm an ordinary person. Are ordinary people and sports players the same? And there is FFP in European football)
La Liga also has a salary cap. If I were a soccer player.I would agree to disclosure of my salary. i am asian.
Why do people who are opposed to revealing player salaries say that some players have high or low salaries? Football's wage is It's an estimate and unofficial. . ,
commentators, coaches, and even other players in the league don't know a player's contract and salary...As a side note, Saudi money is exaggerated. A Saudi reporter said that Benzema's annual salary is $50 million. Jordan Henderson's weekly salary was also not what was reported in the media
Team annual salary and reveune were revealed on the UEFA official website. It was revealed that Tottenham spends a whopping 200 million euros and Liverpool spends 300 million euros on player salaries. There is a lot of difference from the media. (It seems like the salary is about 80 to 100 million euros more than the media reports.)psg.Barça spends 500 million euros. Leicester also spent more money than Sevilla in the 2022-23 season (but was relegated) What I'm saying is, please disclose player salaries. Haaland $50m seems right.. EPL salary seems too low. In fact, it seems to have been underreportedTo be honest, if you ask whether the relegation system helps profits and popularity, 99% of people would sayThey say there is a relegation system, why is there FFP? If you don't spend money, your team will become weak and get demoted. Why can't you spend money? What's wrong with the owner's investment?
Has MLS standard risen?
the fact that you mentioned the league says smth itself
Saying that Haaland & Mbappé are the new GOATS is disrespectful towards Messi and Penaldo (0 WC knockout goals).
didn't Bayern win 11 times in a row from 2012 to 2022-2023? what do you mean no one in football won 4 times in a row? at least get your facts right will you?
Till the end of the season poch is just figure thgs out
The prem is gonna look like a shambles if city get charged. 4 leagues in a row 6 in total and all done illegally would crush the league. There is a possibility the charges will be dismissed because English football depends on city.
Messi bad season decides other players season it's still there😂
Of course the standards have fallen partly due to Messi and Ronaldo and also due to the Premier League financially catching up to the financial cheating of Real Madrid and Barcelona, they can no longer cherry pick the best Premier League players by tripling salaries, so La Liga at the top end can no longer maintain that quality gap because of it.
The greatest Footballer of all Time can only be Messi, Greatest Scorer of all time is C. Ronaldo
I wish they had at least two seasons in their prime playing for the same team.
If vini and Bellingham are our ballon d’or contenders then absolutely the bar is too low.
Vini is absolutely Ballon D'Or material in any era. Bellingham lacks the talent, but might make up for it in leadership, if England wins a big trophy I could see him winning a Ballon D'Or on that basis.
@@JarrettMehldau Bellingham lacks talent?
@@sabelosphalas1747 Compared to Ballon D'Or level players like Messi, Cristiano, R9, Baggio, Rivaldo, Kaka, Ronaldinho he does. Compared to 99% of footballers he's super talented.
@@JarrettMehldau Brazilian legends alone in those eras would make Vini look like a second division player who's from Brazil, Ballon D'Or material in "any era" except this one would be a pipe dream .
@@nabidhasan6232 Vini isn't quite as technical as R9, Rivaldo, Dinho, Kaka, but he's still technical enough to play LW on a Frank Ribery level. It obviously doesn't hurt, that he's the quickest footballer I've seen since Eto'o, (Mbappé might have more pace, but Vini is shiftier). Vini is unguardable! And he's a big game player in UCL.
Think about it, he's a mix between Ribery and Eto'o, do you understand, that that's a deadly combination on a football pitch? Have you ever played football against a player, who has few, neglectable flaws in his game, but is twice as quick as everybody else?
4 times in a row says a lot about the epl . Pep is good but trust me city are spending money bringing in players.
Because clubs like Chelsea are spending air
Palmer simple couldn't get those numbers at city