-"Spanish Companies": Hey! you are an engineer and you have amazing skills! what about if I pay you minimum salary and make you work underpaid overtime? :) -"US companies": Hey! come here and we will pay you an actual decent salary!. -"Spanish Companies": Why can't we find workers anymore??
It's not theft. Us European take our brightest for granted instead of acknowledging their contribution to society. Americans on the other hand value them. This has been going in for the last two centuries.
@@Theaverageazn247 Taxes aren't that different. If anything, ever so slightly higher. But in EU countries, tax money actually gets spent efficiently and does what it intends to. In the US, it gets eaten up by lobbyists/special interests and contractors that overcharge the government because they can. I don't disagree with the original commenter, but to start criticizing *fiscal policies* of European countries is ridiculous, considering how much better off they are than we are.
Yeah, people see it as this: Retire at 55 (Just an example age) but until then live worse but still good6 or Retire at 65 (also an example age) but you live a bit better people see it as; well, if I retire 10 years earlier, wouldn't that extra 10 years be better than a scattered 1 extra year of vacation? Europe has better welfare and more vacation days then the US, but, by the amount of time you have without needing to work, the US wins in the end, because you retire earlier cause you have the same amount of money earlier
I always say this... I make probably 50 thousand dollars a year more than a comparable person in western Europe with the same job. My health insurance has a 5k out of pocket maximum. There's no way that you're getting 45k in other social benefits in europe... and when I retire, my social security will be more than someone in Europe would get
When woman enter the work place, man have to share their wage to them, because woman productivity is less then 10 percent of the man while they need to be paid the same
It's not treatment; US doesn't treat people 'better'. It is taxes and regulations. Europeans want the solution to be that they are not green enough, or egalitarian enough, or some other bs that fits their world view. But that is the root of the problem.
@@Nordzumuwhat he means is not acting like California, taking talented productive individuals for granted, and fleecing them for tax money while providing relatively little to them in return.
Smart people (who get paid accordingly) understand basic algebra: US insurance cost is like the function y=6000 (Actual avg personal spend is $5400) Meanwhile the added taxes of living in the Europe is like y=0.075x where x is your income (7.5% is probably a low estimate too) Now kids, what happens at the point of intersection? And it's not like 80k is asking for much out of a productive individual.
I can just say from my own perspective in chemical engineering and having moved countries - salary UK 90k USD (equivalent), USA 250k USD. I like the UK and all but let's be honest and say that was a no brainer.
@@mufradr The pay is higher, but social security is lower. And if you compare the UK to a third world nation, you really don't have the first idea what a third world nation actually looks like.
@@danielhalachev4714mental gymnastics. Nobody has been forced to move. It’s a huge economic decision that they have made for themselves and have been utilized by America. Both the U. S and the migrant benefit from the exchange. It’s the country they leave from that must figure out the best course of action for themselves to prosper and attain people. That’s global market policy.
I would argue that in some sense, they weren't the ones to throw it away. A large part of the reason WW1 happened was because the other nations felt like Germany was becoming too powerful by itself, a new hegemony. They left Germany in heavy debt in its aftermath so that Germany wouldn't be able to do that again. Ironically, it just ended up making the US hegemony.
@@ericlee6145 better to have a bully a continent away who can't tell your country apart from the next, than a bully who lives just up the road and knows you well.
@@ericlee6145WW2 Germany happened because of WW1 Germany. But post-war they chose less of the “working” part and more of the “bleeding socialist” part after American left-leaning influence, which is heavy institutionally, but practically scorned outside them culturally and policy-wise in the US. National Socialists had blunt right-wingers with a concept of corporatized social welfare. You get stuff when company does good.
@@nobilesnovushomo58How can the national socialists be right winger in the traditional sense but also support corporatist welfare? That makes no sense and just means the national socialists were socialists
Yep. The crazy thing is that the brightest minds in Canada are always going to be enticed to go work in the US. They benefit from our equitable university system lol
My relatives in the medical field left Canada for the US. I with my IQ of 132 was tempted to move to the US but I lost interest in visiting other countries.
Canadians have been migrating to the US for opportunities for more than 200 years. It's been a thing since America broke off of England. You can even read references to it in stories like Anne of Green Gables - which takes place in Canada. And the bright kids from her school mostly moved to the US.
Why should someone accept less money, pay exorbitant taxes and pay more for everything if he doesn't have to? For top professionals, remaining in Canada means being another average worker. Those social programs in Canada and Europe are irrelevant: it would cost less to pay for those services and you will most likely never need most of them anyway. All these complainers criticize professionals for leaving, but they don't seem to have a problem with athletes or celebrities who leave for better opportunities.
I am a British physician who just immigrated to America. It was a difficult decision to leave behind my family and friends in the UK but for me it’s worth it because the salaries and career opportunities in the USA are so much better than the UK. American salaries for doctors are literally 5x higher than the UK and working conditions aren’t as miserable as the UKs National Health Service I intend to do everything I can to contribute to the USA as a doctor and with my medical research. The UK didn’t value my skills, my knowledge or experience so I’m glad I’ll be moving to a country that is. I don’t plan to come back to the UK so I’ll put down roots here and hopefully have a family here too. God bless America 🇺🇸
“Didn’t value you you” come on bro just say it like it is. One paid you more, you did it for the money that’s it. Don’t act like the USA cares more about you, just because they pay better.
Canada should just dissolve their illigitimate nightmare and admit usa was right so we can combine the land and gave more than russia who rn has the most.
nope if you have a phd, or a skill that is very in high demand you cut to the front of the line. I was working in cybersecurity in Japan as a white hacker, and was offered 3 amazing job offers ranging from 175k - 270k dollars plus benefits, compared to my job in Japan only 90k. I took an offer and I got my work pass over the weekend upon landing in the US, and after a month I was a US resident. It's been 3 years now, and I'm in the process of getting citizenship. All paid for my company.
There is a clear difference between skilled workers whose expertise are in high demand everywhere and unskilled workers. Don’t act like you don’t know the difference, you can’t be that stupid.
My Bavarian PhD professor said six years ago :There are so few graduates in physics and chemistry in the US because the courses are prohibitively expensise and people can make fortunes in parasitic jobs in finance and Wall Street. We, the German tax payers, give an excellent education for free to too many scientists, which end up in the US lacking them
I’m sure your Bavarian professor has the sense to know that if the kid is already paying for college anyway (STEM students tend to get scholarships btw), then they’re not going to *not* study the thing they went to college for. This is especially true for “nerds” who have always known that they wanted to study physics or chemistry. Most students don’t study physics or chemistry for the same reason that most are not math majors: those are not easy courses of study, and the vast majority know that it is not for them from before they even leave high school. More find out later on in college that it’s not for them, so they switch majors. Also, people getting physics or chemistry degrees in undergrad are expected to continue on for their PhDs if they hope to find meaningful work in their fields. Again, few are interested in this to begin with. Additionally, a lot of the most lucrative “parasitic” careers on Wall Street are the very ones where people are specifically recruited from universities for their exceptional mathematical talent. If a student performs well in a premier mathematical competition like the Putnam or gains some other kind of recognition, or a referral, or a recommendation from a respected math or physics professor, then they’ll likely be on the radars of math departments across the country in case they apply to join a PhD program, but they’ll also likely be recruited by industry groups with very deep pockets - especially those on Wall Street. Your professor has clearly never heard of a hedge fund or the kind of money they throw at the very brightest math and physics students straight out of undergrad. This is actually something that always has some decently strong, though not unusually talented, students at top universities seriously considering math and physics degrees, though most ultimately stay away due to the difficulty. This has been going on for over 15 years, since every financial or career journal started regularly writing about the “quants” and other mathematical researchers who have taken over Wall Street. So if someone had the interest and the ability to properly study physics and do well, then that might also be the thing that maximizes their earning potential. People this bright also, generally don’t pay anything for college because, again, scholarships tend to be especially generous for this cohort.
So are there now too few graduates in physics and chemistry in the US or not, or did you mean graduates born in the US? Otherwise something is wrong with your translation of his/her (PhD professor) statement from Bavarian>German>English
Also ... going abroad is not a lightweight decision, there is so much more than money factoring in on this decision.. otherwise Germans would all go to Switzerland.. we all know that there is a natural threshold holding this up. Probably easier for Germans to go to the USA than Switzerland, funny but true.
You got the Bureaucreacy fact wrong... the EU adds additional 60k bureaucrats ontop of the already existing ones in each country... Germany for example has 1,9 million bureaucrats for 84 million people alone
Yeah totally absurd number, not sure how they missed that one lol. I’m sure the EU + national governments have many multiples the bureaucrats. Also the “reverse brain drain” numbers probably need a fact check. Many Americans retire in Europe, so they’re not actually working there (or not very much).
Let's compare, the German state in its various forms employs around 5 million people in total out of ~45 million employed people and 84 million inhabitants in total. The US has around 20 million people employed by the state and local government, has around 170 million people with employment and 333 million inhabitants. While the exact ratios between stare employees and employed people or population aren't the same, they are pretty close. It is not the actual number of state employees that is the issue, but one significant issue is the ridiculously high pension a lot of them receive. Supposedly to ward off corruption, politicians have kept the voting group of bureaucrats happy by essentially paying them off.
Legal immigration laws are easy and open only to other rich europeon countries. You could be a highly educated middle class citizen of an 'undesirable' nation and have more trouble getting to the US than some drug dealing teenager in sweden. Having a shitty passport wiol ruin your life. Being born in africa (even south Africa, south and central asia or eastern europe (think Georgia, not poland), really limits places you can visit as a tourist and as an job seeker. Its partly about race but its not only about race, even japanese and south koreans have a better chance for immigration to the US than the above countries. The exception is if you have a muslim name or have brown (think dark skinned arab) skin. The new dutch prime minister and the some recent laws that France has pushed out recently really isn't great news for the state of islamophobia in the western world.
@@jaylenblount128 I could only find reliable unbiased info for 2016, but according to official immigration statistics, only 13% were refugees and asylum seekers. Some applied for asylum before arriving, some applied after. There might have been a few 'fake' refugees from India or whatever, but most were refugees from Haiti and Venezuela and such. Anyone who immigrated the normal way (>80%) would have to pay pretty large amounts of money for registration, and would also have been vetted thoroughly. Only some Europeans have a high success rate for applications. The only people who are uneducated in this group would be students and relatives.
Then why so many Latin Americans? All the states near the Mexican border consider Spanish and English equal now, doesn't sound like assimilation to me. @@trichi827
They also can pay more, in some countries. In others that can't - they can pay at least enough to live comfortably. But they don't. That's the difference.
The U.S. pays STEM professionals what they deserve to be paid…they’re valued and valuable…im a nurse in the U.S. with dual citizenship…I make more in the U.S. by far as a specialist nurse and I’m also respected as a professional. In Germany 🇩🇪 the health minister, she said “anyone can be a nurse…”. In the U.S. it’s a profession and requires a degree and paid properly. The same is true for many other fields in Europe, they give lip service to these fields but don’t treat them or pay them as though they do respect them. It’s not “stealing” anyone. It’s showing them that they matter professionally.
Since when did nursing become a STEM field? She's right, anyone can be a nurse. Things like specialist nurse, NP or the countless other acronym titles they give to nurses as well as prescription rights without going through medical school or adequate training are a complete non-solution invented by corrupt politicians to address physician shortages.
In India, you are treated like a slave at work (even if you are paid in the Top 3%), the constant extreme competition, bullshit & corruption makes it inhospitable for decent std. of living. Hence, people move to the US. Minus the Wokeness, Drugs & Gun violence, US is a pretty good place for skilled immigrants.
The academic ecosystem in China is bad. You only see those that have imminent benefits especially money get the continuation. There is almost no benefit in staying in China if you want to do theories.
@@multigameswithryan9215This is slowly being changed... Chinese universities are getting way better at things like military research and development and teaching subjects like aerospace engineering and students competing to make technologies for the people's liberation army rocket force of China
I go to a very small university but still, the amount of students from all over the world really astonishes me considering we have less than 1k students. There’s people from east asia, South Asia, Africa, Latin America and all over Europe. Multiple Germans, multiple Brits, multiple South Africans, and Argentinians, etc.
@@Mmjk_12 No actually. Exchange students are part of a program that typically only last a few months and is mostly done through high school.. These are international students who are doing their entire college education at this university and are not doing it through some program.
U forgot about immigration after Russian revolution in 1917-1922. All writers went to Europe. While physics immigrated to the USA. Easiest example is Sicorsky, who made first controllable helicopter(wich was used in WW2 on Pacific). Later his company will create Blackhawk
Earlier still, France rid itself of its Hugenot elites who found so much success in, among others, the UK, a French-sounding surname is a very likely indicator of wealth and status to this day there.
This is so true, my friend's uncle goes to university in America for higher education. He is very smart of course and the best place for higher education is in the US
It's the old wealth vs new wealth. Poor countries cannot compete on salaries because they don't have the wealth, which leads to brain drain, which ensures no new wealth is created in that country.
8:15 I'm a US-EU dual citizen. If you can find me one place in Europe that lets me get as much disposable income as in the US, let me know ASAP. Until then I have no choice but to keep working in the US.
Immigrants truly are what gives the US a competitive advantage. However, most of these immigrants do not come to the US as highly skilled to begin with. The US provides the education with world class colleges and universities, requiring a substantial investment that pays off.
They're more likely to take children and younger people and they have to be very hard working that way social security wont run out as quickly, and they're guaranteed hard workers
I have mixed feelings when it comes to "world class colleges". Alot of colleges and Universities in other countries are very much better that those in the US nowadays. What I saw lately shocked me. My old alma mater can easily compete with Stanford. The statement "Your University degree does not count in the USA because of quality reasons" is just a trick to keep competition at bay. So not really. But you definitely have world class prices when it comes to education. Why is it that alot of US and Chinese students come to Germany? Because of the unjustified high prices, 'cause they know the truth.
Having studied in the anglo-sphere, I can tell you that your education is not better than that of continental Europe. Also, your universities are increasingly being ruled by progressive radicals, which means that freedom of speech is not assured there anymore.
Studied at public universities in both US and Germany, the quality of education & university experience is vastly different and justifies the high sticker price of international tuition in the US. The way US-universities vet and select prospective students is also what partly makes up the reputation of certain universities.
French artisans and engineers left first to surrounding countries and then to America. The Irish exported millions of people from 1820-1930. Talent moves always and for different reasons but usually to live freely.
Europe is trying hard to get VC funding up and keep start-ups in Europe. But so far it isn't working. Pretty interesting topic, I hope Europe can compete with the US again in the future.
Went on vacation a few years ago to Sydney and stayed at an airbnb house owned by a young French guy and his wife. He was saying pretty much that he started his high tech company in Australia instead of France because of the high taxes (and other government policies) which he used to believe in when he was younger in school but not anymore.
@@johnl.7754 Hmm. But Australia is a really poor choice then, 30% corporate tax for companies in Australia. Less then 25% for France if I remember correctly. 20% in the Nordics (Sweden, Denmark, Norway etc). France has very high incomes taxes and Australia has pretty low income taxes, but for corporations, I think France is actually lower
@@johnl.7754 Hah you reminded me of that famous French actor that became Russian to pay less taxes.Even Louis Vuitton company has moved to another country to pay less taxes.
I would gladly move from the US to work in the EU. However they just aren’t paying what my career valued All of the scientists mentioned in the beginning were valued here. Pay your workers EU
What many people don't realize however is that legal immigration to the US today is almost impossible. Many people cite the US as having a large percentage of foreign-born citizens but most of these are family based. Otherwise, the most likely way for someone to move to the US would be through employment, not family, since not everyone has family in the US. Just 12% of immigrants to the US are on employment visas, and another 4% are diversity visa (a literal lottery that has a 1% win chance - even the employment visa is a lottery system so that isn't guaranteed either, mind you) winners. So, beyond those two, immigration hopefuls need to either have family in the US, be an asylum seeker, be a victim of a crime under very specific circumstances, or be granted a special visa (think translators and such in Afghanistan, etc. These are 1% of immigrants). Since some people I've spoken to have gotten upset when I mentioned this, I should clarify that I'm not criticizing America's immigration policy - although many people already have, it's not my place to judge it, since it could be bad for everyone else but good for Americans, which one can argue is what matters, but I'm pointing out the faultiness in the premise of America being easy to immigrate to.
@@LedHabel I have studied in the US before at university and spent A LOT of time there having lived in Canada for 6-7 years so I am really into north american culture, NFL etc, very good money for devs, in general just a cultural experience in my 30s but plan to return to Sydney eventually
I live and work in the US coming from Southeast Asia (Malaysia). I came to the US because all the books I read when I was 15, 16, about entrepreneurship, neuroscience, were all written by Americans. Europeans didn't seem to have an influence, except for the greats like Jung or Freud from 200 years ago. Everything was coming out of the US. The innovation, the talent, the ambition, the cutting edge. I didn't even know the US paid more when I came here. I just knew that as someone who didn't want to follow the traditional path of medicine, law, or engineering, the US would allow someone like me who was extremely driven and wanted to create impact in the world, that the US was the place to be.
That, and Italy is also having one of the worst cases of brain drain in the world. All their talent and youth gets outsourced and they're left with an aging population - which is eating up all their money.
This should be realize and learnt by developing country like my country Indonesia, the govrt literally corrupt and they didn't care about the nation's future. Sadly i have plan to go to Australia by the end of this year to get better quality life, not because i hate my country. I do love Indonesia but i can't help. The system already suck, corrupt, full of nepotism, etc.
I am a scientist myself. Coming from a small European country. I'm developing new cancer treatments. In my home country the expected salary in my position is $1500-2000 net per month and an average apartment in the capital city costs >20x average yearly salary. This means that I would never be able to own a home. And I don't want to start a family while renting and moving around every year or so. So, I said fuck it and I went to the US. In the US I get paid about $8300 net per month and I just bought my first 2 bed apartment without any issues at all. And even after paying all expenses each month I am still left with almost double the net salary that I'd make at home... So, yeah, as much as I'd love to live and do my research in my home country (honestly, there are many things about the US that I don't like), it just makes no sense.
In my country a researcher of cancer was not even paid, he moved to the US with his wife and now works at Harvard. No, my country is not developing but it is in the G7 (Italy)
If Mexico hadn't been so focused on fucking itself up over the last 500 years, North America would be a scene of eternal rivalry, not unlike that in Europe between France and the UK.
The US and Europe are good and bad at some things. But to be both equal in those specific areas, I think we need to learn from each other and see how to improve on those areas. 🤔🧐
@YoheYamatai as Brit, who visited America last year and has family in the US, I was amazed it was like the 90s, not one shop, restaurant or cafe besides 1 Starbucks at JFK Airport took contactless cards, streetlights, and light bulbs off places where filament lights and not LEDs, US internet speeds and the existence of "Data Caps" just pale in comparison to here. In terms of Technology most US cities are comparable to and even behind many African cities
US is great, for the wealthy. Europe is great for the middle class and poor. The sad thing is that Europe is bad at attracting the capital class. This is why I think immigration is bad, those who are smart and educated leave to better places. Those who can't stay and have to deal with bad local environments. This can perpetuate attrocities, corruption, and etc as the people who know or can fix it leave.
The US is also better for the middle class, Europe is really just better for the poor. The poorest 20% of Americans make more than the average European.
I'm not sure if Europe is even that great for the middle You earn a little bit more the taxman comes knocking That said at least you won't go broke trying to see the doctor In America you have the hope of moving even further up if you don't go bust by your medical bill so take your pick
America doesn't steal anything and anyone. As a person from Eastern Europe (ex-USSR) - its just much much much people -friencly for talented an educated people. Its not only about money, there are many factors in play.
Russia lost me to Portugal where my salary tripled. I love it here and yet my eyes water when I see american salaries. My goal is to work for an american company and remain here. That would be literal heaven
People come here for the social equality and economic inequality. They want to be paid more for their skills, and not discriminated against for their race.
Seems fitting for a south african to be discussing brain drain lol I recognize that accent from a mile away. Also I'm currently working in the US(as a south african)
Besides the moral arguments for it, the video serves the practical reason for more equal rights. It means you can draw from a larger pool of skilled immigrants since they won’t feel like they’ll be shot/mutilated for existing and being successful.
I've always felt that America has also had a unique cultural advantage over other countries as well. Due to the U.S. being a melting pot it's relatively easy to come to the U.S. and BECOME an American since we are a nation founded on ideals not a common ancestry/ethnicity. I feel like if you were a Nigerian or an Indian guy or gal you would just feel a lot more comfortable and fit in much easier in America than say Germany, Sweden, or especially China.
I don't quite understand what you're saying, though? In the US people get shot/maimed (by the police as well as other citizens), yes. But that obviously doesn't deter immigrants, so it can't be a deciding factor... (Although, that and the general level of racism and social anxiety would be _my_ main reason for not going to the US, no matter how shizzy Europe and Asia are.)
@@simonspethmann8086 You are completely wrong. The U.S. is very open about racial issues, but things are actually much better here than in Europe. Europe only looks better because they don't talk about their problems. Immigrants from most African countries out earn whites in the U.S. you couldn't dream of that in Europe.
@@joshjwillway1545 So? It doesn't change the fact that most immigrants are extremely poorly integrated in Europe compared to in the U.S. Britain is one of the better countries, but France, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Italy, etc are a disaster.
I have EU citizenship but only work for US Fortune500 companies with offices in Europe. I used to work for a European company for 1 year - never again. My past and current US employers (FAANG, other big tech) are much more generous and offer better resources, benefits, and perks + you get to work with top talent every day. In addition, I was able to attend grad school in the U.S. which was fully funded by my US alma mater. So the U.S. paid for my education in a way and I am happy to provide my skills and help to advance my current employer’s business activities in Europe.
1977 , 1974 was fifty years ago and in my lifetime. I met one of those European Phd, we played chess, he taught me chess. Between meals I served at kosher hotel, Tesslers in Cherrytown Kerhonkson in 1972. It was one heck of an experience
@@yankeehunter4726 "Fair" is so flexible word, for different people it would mean totally different amounts. Who are you to enforce your vision of what is "fair" to someone else.
@@yankeehunter4726”In the USA they are just overly compensated.” Well this is the funniest cope I’ve ever seen. It’s like someone from Bangladesh saying that the people in Bangladesh are compensated fairly, but “it’s just that in Germany or France they are overly compensated.” Yeah, sure bud.
people also go to america cause of their pop culture and influence my country has higher pay and better standard of living however there is still thousands moving to america to experience what they see in american films or social media
We should invest in more scholarships for US students at European universities in STEM related degree's on the condition they stay for 5yrs post graduation.
Correction: Niels Bohr was not Jewish, but atheist, he never fled to the US, but he helped many do it, and he was also Danish, not German. So he should not be mentioned as a Jew fleeing to the US, although he was a great scientist :).
Hitler didn’t care if Jews were practicing or not, he just cared about the ethnicity. If Bohr had Jewish parents, being an atheist wasn’t going to keep him safe.
Sounds kinda bitter. Like I remind my European acquaintances, if Europe hadn’t sucked so hard, there wouldn’t even be an America… (that part…) Don’t be bitter-be better (you know, like you already think you are).❤
It's not stealing if talented people decide to go to the United States themselves. It's a great country and more intelligent people would love to be there.
I just saw an ad from the US calling for nurses to immigrate to the United States. Kind of sucks how one country can basically import all the skilled migrants it wants. But that's what it means to live in a free world.
I mean the amount of articles on my phone because it's in Spanish astounds me of ads like this: "This person immigrated to the US and got a visa because of this one trick, find out here how to get that visa!"
@@johnl.7754 Yeah that's unfortunately true, many people I've met don't do anything but work and drink, cause they send half their meager paycheck back home to family.
people come to US not because of its freedoms but to earn more money than they would if they stayed back in their country of origin. Lower and middle income countries cant compete with US to retain graduates or skilled people because of the wage premium. India is a prime example of tht..most here would happily stay back if they can get decent salaries but most dont and hence go to US to study in hopes of earning more
In the long run... it didn't. Do you know how absolutely shitty the Weimar Republic was for us? You cannot even imagine. Everything, really everything else was way better. In this situation you, of cause, also fall for an austrian idiot that says "I make Germany great again". Sounds familiar? Today we paid off our debt of 2 lost World Wars and still are an economic power-house even with our thousands of problems and absolutely horrible stupid politicians. We did get a few scraps back from the cold war from you guys, assuming you're american, by the way 😉.
I think the claim that the EU has “only 60000” bureaucrats is very misleading. First because there are many other intergovernmental bureaucratic units in Europe, but separate from the eu itself. This is especially true since the EU relies on member states to enforce its own policies. The real number to look at is total government employees. In Europe 17% of jobs are in the government. With 200 million employees this equates to roughly 34 million government workers. In the US this number is 22 million. Now, with it amounting to 14% of the workforce. That’s a massive loss in efficiency. The numbers are even worse when you account for the fact that a smaller proportion of the population works in Europe. This means that while the government is responsible for caring for more people at a higher level than it does in the us, it has fewer workers paying taxes to cover the costs. Now take the most talented and highly paid workers and offer them both higher pay and lower taxes and you have a recipe for disaster. These are the workers who not only generate the most direct government revenue through their wages but indirectly generate even more through mentoring, starting businesses and scientific discovery.
@@GWT1m0 No, we mean freeing Europe from the Nazis, Asia from the Japanese, South Korea from the Communists, putting a man on the moon and creating the rules-based international order.
It's telling when you need to compare the US to all of Europe for a fair comparison. I see it on Reddit all the time despite europe being made up of many many nations
It's the weather. When I lived in San Francisco area hearing the British accent was common. The Midwest is the best, try a spring or fall vacation in cheap KC
So I'm a german engineer and got a job offer in the US with almost triple the salary. While that sounds amazing the cost of living are much higher and when you think about insurance and also the work culture (working 50+ hours, almost no paid time off vs 35 hours and 30 days off) is vastly different and actually is not so much more.
Because we in America are the world’s biggest capitalists. When it’s all said and done at the end of the day, we judge you based off of the value that you can bring, regardless of your background. So, naturally America is the place to pursue wealth maximization and career advancement.
Some parts of romania aren't doing that badly. Bucharest for example will be comparable to many cities in germany by 2026 or 2028. And many people in romania wouldn't immigrate to the usa. I think the actual number who would is 100.000 out of 19 million so less than 1%. The real reason behind the american success is the amount of resources the usa have and the large amount of inhabitable territory.
If you are a top quintile earner in Europe, the US is almost certainly better for you financially. For the next quintile, it starts to get hazy and probably depends very heavily on your personal situation. If you’re in the lowest 60%, you’re almost certainly better off in Europe.
I'm from Sweden and I've always planned to either move to the US, or somewhere in South America. Any other European country simply isn't an option because there's way too many people there making the cost of buying land astronomic compared to the incomes. All of Europe aside from Scandinavia (which is really better suited as a landfill than a human habitat) is severely overpopulated.
@@nickiorio4487 All of Europe north of the alps is too cold. Also, the population density in Sweden is very unevenly distributed because of policy encouraging urbanization.
It's quite simple really, here in the UK you get punished for working hard and doing well where as in America they actually reward you and incentivise individuals to work hard. When I used to be an aircraft mechanic (STEM job), I'd have to wake up at 2am every morning for 6 days straight and put in a solid 12 hours of work in brutal conditions all for a salary barely above minimum wage. Meanwhile my next door neighbour who's done nothing other than sit around on her fat arse and watch T.V for the last 7 years earns more than me in government benefits and still has the audacity to moan about skilled workers coming into the country and "taking our jobs". To see a significant portion of my income taxed and redistributed to her pocket really rubs salt in the wound and I dream that one day I can move to a country like America where my skills and hard work are appreciated, respected and rewarded.
This kind of brain drain is one of the big reasons Israel became as successful as it did. Tons of professional and bright Jewish immigrants from the collapsed Soviet Union that were given much better opportunities in Israel in the 80s and 90s.
Kinda amazing how America managed to utilize Jews and Nazis at the same time.
It's very smart. ☻
They picked no sides except anglo-sphere
The rich J who support Z movement are the same as the Nz
They only care about money. If they can make money from serial killer they will accept him. America is corporation, not a country.
Nazi heading NASA😂😂
-"Spanish Companies": Hey! you are an engineer and you have amazing skills! what about if I pay you minimum salary and make you work underpaid overtime? :) -"US companies": Hey! come here and we will pay you an actual decent salary!. -"Spanish Companies": Why can't we find workers anymore??
If there is one thing US companies are well known for its giving all of their employees an excellent work life balance
@@nothisispatrick6528like 10 days of holidays per year? 😅
@@nvdolcevita1717it was pretty obvious sarcasm
That's the result of a bigger government. Unfortunately, US are always on the brink of following the same path tho.
No sarcasm is obvious anymore, people are dumb enough to think and say anything.@@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986
It's not theft. Us European take our brightest for granted instead of acknowledging their contribution to society. Americans on the other hand value them. This has been going in for the last two centuries.
不是盗窃吗
看看你们国家的博物馆 中国文物占据80%以上
真有脸了你
you also punish them via taxes. Even if wages were the same, who wants to pay 60% in income taxes
An average tax on all thing in most european countries is between 30-50% not 60% @@Theaverageazn247
75% in France that's mad you want to make business there nothing to make here@@Theaverageazn247
@@Theaverageazn247 Taxes aren't that different. If anything, ever so slightly higher. But in EU countries, tax money actually gets spent efficiently and does what it intends to. In the US, it gets eaten up by lobbyists/special interests and contractors that overcharge the government because they can.
I don't disagree with the original commenter, but to start criticizing *fiscal policies* of European countries is ridiculous, considering how much better off they are than we are.
If you're rich from a higher American salary you don't need European welfare
Yeah, people see it as this:
Retire at 55 (Just an example age) but until then live worse but still good6
or
Retire at 65 (also an example age) but you live a bit better
people see it as; well, if I retire 10 years earlier, wouldn't that extra 10 years be better than a scattered 1 extra year of vacation? Europe has better welfare and more vacation days then the US, but, by the amount of time you have without needing to work, the US wins in the end, because you retire earlier cause you have the same amount of money earlier
I always say this... I make probably 50 thousand dollars a year more than a comparable person in western Europe with the same job.
My health insurance has a 5k out of pocket maximum.
There's no way that you're getting 45k in other social benefits in europe... and when I retire, my social security will be more than someone in Europe would get
@@pepperonishthat’s funny. Your ss is our slush fund for unfounded wants.
@ryhol5417 catch me in 40 years getting it
It's a sacred cow. Anyone trying to get rid of it would lose their office
@@multigameswithryan9215That's BS My dad was forced to retire at 70 and he was an office worker in Dallas due to the economy fluctuating
How about we don't treat talent like dirt.
LOL
When woman enter the work place, man have to share their wage to them, because woman productivity is less then 10 percent of the man while they need to be paid the same
It's not treatment; US doesn't treat people 'better'. It is taxes and regulations.
Europeans want the solution to be that they are not green enough, or egalitarian enough, or some other bs that fits their world view. But that is the root of the problem.
@@Nordzumuwhat he means is not acting like California, taking talented productive individuals for granted, and fleecing them for tax money while providing relatively little to them in return.
Lies again? Big Money Faster True Anal
People vote with their feet and despite our problems here in the US it’s nice to hear we do this right.
Well, until the protests at our colleges. That might have sent Einstein to South America.
i doubt that
@@lcjr7807it’s true
@@tonyburzio4107the pro Palestine Protester? Einstein was pro Palestine
Smart people (who get paid accordingly) understand basic algebra:
US insurance cost is like the function y=6000 (Actual avg personal spend is $5400)
Meanwhile the added taxes of living in the Europe is like y=0.075x where x is your income (7.5% is probably a low estimate too)
Now kids, what happens at the point of intersection? And it's not like 80k is asking for much out of a productive individual.
I can just say from my own perspective in chemical engineering and having moved countries - salary UK 90k USD (equivalent), USA 250k USD. I like the UK and all but let's be honest and say that was a no brainer.
That difference is almost like a 3rd world to lower 1st world.
@@1wun1 What a nonsensical statement.
@@Melior_Traiano it’s almost 3x pay
@@mufradr The pay is higher, but social security is lower. And if you compare the UK to a third world nation, you really don't have the first idea what a third world nation actually looks like.
@@Melior_Traiano obviously it isn’t a third world country, but I think its a good use of hyperbole whether or not the actual op intended so
It's not theft if they come willingly.
Would you say the same when its about american industry being moved to China and other South East Asian countries?
@@GWT1m0yes
@@GWT1m0 Yes, the onus is on the US to make them want to stay.
They are kind of forced by circumstances
@@danielhalachev4714mental gymnastics. Nobody has been forced to move. It’s a huge economic decision that they have made for themselves and have been utilized by America. Both the U. S and the migrant benefit from the exchange. It’s the country they leave from that must figure out the best course of action for themselves to prosper and attain people. That’s global market policy.
Germans had it all and threw it away. They never fully recovered.
This^
I would argue that in some sense, they weren't the ones to throw it away. A large part of the reason WW1 happened was because the other nations felt like Germany was becoming too powerful by itself, a new hegemony. They left Germany in heavy debt in its aftermath so that Germany wouldn't be able to do that again.
Ironically, it just ended up making the US hegemony.
@@ericlee6145 better to have a bully a continent away who can't tell your country apart from the next, than a bully who lives just up the road and knows you well.
@@ericlee6145WW2 Germany happened because of WW1 Germany. But post-war they chose less of the “working” part and more of the “bleeding socialist” part after American left-leaning influence, which is heavy institutionally, but practically scorned outside them culturally and policy-wise in the US. National Socialists had blunt right-wingers with a concept of corporatized social welfare. You get stuff when company does good.
@@nobilesnovushomo58How can the national socialists be right winger in the traditional sense but also support corporatist welfare? That makes no sense and just means the national socialists were socialists
Even so many Canadians move down south for better salaries and purchasing power
Yep. The crazy thing is that the brightest minds in Canada are always going to be enticed to go work in the US. They benefit from our equitable university system lol
How so? TN visa has restrictions.
My relatives in the medical field left Canada for the US. I with my IQ of 132 was tempted to move to the US but I lost interest in visiting other countries.
Canadians have been migrating to the US for opportunities for more than 200 years. It's been a thing since America broke off of England.
You can even read references to it in stories like Anne of Green Gables - which takes place in Canada. And the bright kids from her school mostly moved to the US.
Why should someone accept less money, pay exorbitant taxes and pay more for everything if he doesn't have to? For top professionals, remaining in Canada means being another average worker. Those social programs in Canada and Europe are irrelevant: it would cost less to pay for those services and you will most likely never need most of them anyway.
All these complainers criticize professionals for leaving, but they don't seem to have a problem with athletes or celebrities who leave for better opportunities.
I am a British physician who just immigrated to America. It was a difficult decision to leave behind my family and friends in the UK but for me it’s worth it because the salaries and career opportunities in the USA are so much better than the UK. American salaries for doctors are literally 5x higher than the UK and working conditions aren’t as miserable as the UKs National Health Service
I intend to do everything I can to contribute to the USA as a doctor and with my medical research. The UK didn’t value my skills, my knowledge or experience so I’m glad I’ll be moving to a country that is. I don’t plan to come back to the UK so I’ll put down roots here and hopefully have a family here too. God bless America 🇺🇸
And we're glad to have you! Best of luck in your new home in the US of A!
And we're glad to have you! Best of luck in your new home in the US of A!
You are not ethnic British
He's not ethnic American too, so what's the point? @@dasaavawarsuploads1143
“Didn’t value you you” come on bro just say it like it is. One paid you more, you did it for the money that’s it. Don’t act like the USA cares more about you, just because they pay better.
I left Canada for the United States.
Companies not only pay more but are much more respect to professionals.
As in, they show a more positive attitude towards you?
Canada should just dissolve their illigitimate nightmare and admit usa was right so we can combine the land and gave more than russia who rn has the most.
I'm in a Canadian college rn and I want to know more on the difference you felt from corporate in the US compared to Canada
“Steals” 😅 they literally have to apply and wait in line for even the chance to come here.
nope if you have a phd, or a skill that is very in high demand you cut to the front of the line. I was working in cybersecurity in Japan as a white hacker, and was offered 3 amazing job offers ranging from 175k - 270k dollars plus benefits, compared to my job in Japan only 90k. I took an offer and I got my work pass over the weekend upon landing in the US, and after a month I was a US resident. It's been 3 years now, and I'm in the process of getting citizenship. All paid for my company.
lol that’s European for you. When they can’t compete, they try to make you look like the bad one smh
@@Sora_Nai Of course they go to the front of the line. They worked hard to get a phD. They should reap the rewards for that, it is the american way.
@@Sora_Nai Could you please tell us how did you become that skilled? Which certifications do you have?
There is a clear difference between skilled workers whose expertise are in high demand everywhere and unskilled workers. Don’t act like you don’t know the difference, you can’t be that stupid.
My Bavarian PhD professor said six years ago :There are so few graduates in physics and chemistry in the US because the courses are prohibitively expensise and people can make fortunes in parasitic jobs in finance and Wall Street. We, the German tax payers, give an excellent education for free to too many scientists, which end up in the US lacking them
I’m sure your Bavarian professor has the sense to know that if the kid is already paying for college anyway (STEM students tend to get scholarships btw), then they’re not going to *not* study the thing they went to college for. This is especially true for “nerds” who have always known that they wanted to study physics or chemistry.
Most students don’t study physics or chemistry for the same reason that most are not math majors: those are not easy courses of study, and the vast majority know that it is not for them from before they even leave high school. More find out later on in college that it’s not for them, so they switch majors. Also, people getting physics or chemistry degrees in undergrad are expected to continue on for their PhDs if they hope to find meaningful work in their fields. Again, few are interested in this to begin with.
Additionally, a lot of the most lucrative “parasitic” careers on Wall Street are the very ones where people are specifically recruited from universities for their exceptional mathematical talent. If a student performs well in a premier mathematical competition like the Putnam or gains some other kind of recognition, or a referral, or a recommendation from a respected math or physics professor, then they’ll likely be on the radars of math departments across the country in case they apply to join a PhD program, but they’ll also likely be recruited by industry groups with very deep pockets - especially those on Wall Street. Your professor has clearly never heard of a hedge fund or the kind of money they throw at the very brightest math and physics students straight out of undergrad. This is actually something that always has some decently strong, though not unusually talented, students at top universities seriously considering math and physics degrees, though most ultimately stay away due to the difficulty. This has been going on for over 15 years, since every financial or career journal started regularly writing about the “quants” and other mathematical researchers who have taken over Wall Street.
So if someone had the interest and the ability to properly study physics and do well, then that might also be the thing that maximizes their earning potential. People this bright also, generally don’t pay anything for college because, again, scholarships tend to be especially generous for this cohort.
Meanwhile the Americans dominate in Nobel prizes
100%
So are there now too few graduates in physics and chemistry in the US or not, or did you mean graduates born in the US? Otherwise something is wrong with your translation of his/her (PhD professor) statement from Bavarian>German>English
Also ... going abroad is not a lightweight decision, there is so much more than money factoring in on this decision.. otherwise Germans would all go to Switzerland.. we all know that there is a natural threshold holding this up. Probably easier for Germans to go to the USA than Switzerland, funny but true.
You got the Bureaucreacy fact wrong... the EU adds additional 60k bureaucrats ontop of the already existing ones in each country... Germany for example has 1,9 million bureaucrats for 84 million people alone
yeah I was wondering how that could be true 😂
Yeah totally absurd number, not sure how they missed that one lol. I’m sure the EU + national governments have many multiples the bureaucrats. Also the “reverse brain drain” numbers probably need a fact check. Many Americans retire in Europe, so they’re not actually working there (or not very much).
Came here just to point that absurdity
Let's compare, the German state in its various forms employs around 5 million people in total out of ~45 million employed people and 84 million inhabitants in total.
The US has around 20 million people employed by the state and local government, has around 170 million people with employment and 333 million inhabitants. While the exact ratios between stare employees and employed people or population aren't the same, they are pretty close.
It is not the actual number of state employees that is the issue, but one significant issue is the ridiculously high pension a lot of them receive. Supposedly to ward off corruption, politicians have kept the voting group of bureaucrats happy by essentially paying them off.
crazy what happens when you have the most open immigration laws in the world and value highly specialized workers
Legal immigration laws are easy and open only to other rich europeon countries.
You could be a highly educated middle class citizen of an 'undesirable' nation and have more trouble getting to the US than some drug dealing teenager in sweden.
Having a shitty passport wiol ruin your life.
Being born in africa (even south Africa, south and central asia or eastern europe (think Georgia, not poland), really limits places you can visit as a tourist and as an job seeker.
Its partly about race but its not only about race, even japanese and south koreans have a better chance for immigration to the US than the above countries.
The exception is if you have a muslim name or have brown (think dark skinned arab) skin.
The new dutch prime minister and the some recent laws that France has pushed out recently really isn't great news for the state of islamophobia in the western world.
@@notfunny3397most immigrants in the us are low skilled low education workers from south and Central America.
@@jaylenblount128 I could only find reliable unbiased info for 2016, but according to official immigration statistics, only 13% were refugees and asylum seekers.
Some applied for asylum before arriving, some applied after.
There might have been a few 'fake' refugees from India or whatever, but most were refugees from Haiti and Venezuela and such.
Anyone who immigrated the normal way (>80%) would have to pay pretty large amounts of money for registration, and would also have been vetted thoroughly.
Only some Europeans have a high success rate for applications.
The only people who are uneducated in this group would be students and relatives.
@@notfunny3397People who are highly educated and easily assimilated are accepted faster. It’s not hard to figure out.
Then why so many Latin Americans? All the states near the Mexican border consider Spanish and English equal now, doesn't sound like assimilation to me. @@trichi827
"How America _steals_ talent" -- by _paying_ more
It's because American employers can pay more, things Wealthy Europeans, Canada and Japan can't do
They also can pay more, in some countries. In others that can't - they can pay at least enough to live comfortably. But they don't. That's the difference.
America loves its contributors, let's be honest
Elon Musk is admired by millions in the U.S.
The U.S. pays STEM professionals what they deserve to be paid…they’re valued and valuable…im a nurse in the U.S. with dual citizenship…I make more in the U.S. by far as a specialist nurse and I’m also respected as a professional. In Germany 🇩🇪 the health minister, she said “anyone can be a nurse…”. In the U.S. it’s a profession and requires a degree and paid properly. The same is true for many other fields in Europe, they give lip service to these fields but don’t treat them or pay them as though they do respect them. It’s not “stealing” anyone. It’s showing them that they matter professionally.
Since when did nursing become a STEM field? She's right, anyone can be a nurse. Things like specialist nurse, NP or the countless other acronym titles they give to nurses as well as prescription rights without going through medical school or adequate training are a complete non-solution invented by corrupt politicians to address physician shortages.
How much do you make?
Thank you for moving and working here.
In India, you are treated like a slave at work (even if you are paid in the Top 3%), the constant extreme competition, bullshit & corruption makes it inhospitable for decent std. of living. Hence, people move to the US. Minus the Wokeness, Drugs & Gun violence, US is a pretty good place for skilled immigrants.
even those negatives are mostly personal choices that we can simply _choose_ to stay away from
That’s how USA can keep ahead of China while not valuing education as much before higher education (College, University….)
Yeah, China does school better than us, but once you get to university, we are so fucking good, except for the debt you rack up, SORRY ABOUT THAT GUYS
American Universities literally farm Chinese international students. A lot of them end up becoming top tier researchers in the US.
It's also how they can screw over poor countries
The academic ecosystem in China is bad. You only see those that have imminent benefits especially money get the continuation. There is almost no benefit in staying in China if you want to do theories.
@@multigameswithryan9215This is slowly being changed... Chinese universities are getting way better at things like military research and development and teaching subjects like aerospace engineering and students competing to make technologies for the people's liberation army rocket force of China
I go to a very small university but still, the amount of students from all over the world really astonishes me considering we have less than 1k students. There’s people from east asia, South Asia, Africa, Latin America and all over Europe. Multiple Germans, multiple Brits, multiple South Africans, and Argentinians, etc.
They're on exchange lmao
@@Mmjk_12 No actually. Exchange students are part of a program that typically only last a few months and is mostly done through high school.. These are international students who are doing their entire college education at this university and are not doing it through some program.
@@jbach2002 what university
@@Mmjk_12 I’m not giving personal information to a stranger on the internet
@@jbach2002thinking of a certain one in new york
U forgot about immigration after Russian revolution in 1917-1922. All writers went to Europe. While physics immigrated to the USA.
Easiest example is Sicorsky, who made first controllable helicopter(wich was used in WW2 on Pacific). Later his company will create Blackhawk
Earlier still, France rid itself of its Hugenot elites who found so much success in, among others, the UK, a French-sounding surname is a very likely indicator of wealth and status to this day there.
Paying somebody better is not theft
No such thing as "stealing talent." Immigrants come to America on their own with talent to make a major contribution to society. Period.
So goes the billion dollar narrative (propaganda) 😂
This is so true, my friend's uncle goes to university in America for higher education. He is very smart of course and the best place for higher education is in the US
China is a good person also
America doesn't steal the world's talent. We pay better, so they come to us. Everyone has a price.
It's the old wealth vs new wealth. Poor countries cannot compete on salaries because they don't have the wealth, which leads to brain drain, which ensures no new wealth is created in that country.
Paying more = stealing 🤣
As an American I call this Brain Gain
The most accepting place on earth
8:15 I'm a US-EU dual citizen. If you can find me one place in Europe that lets me get as much disposable income as in the US, let me know ASAP. Until then I have no choice but to keep working in the US.
Switzerland.I can bet
Switzerland. And it actually looks great.
Norway
@@denalisiomontpellier4064No.Not Norway
How much you make though?
Immigrants truly are what gives the US a competitive advantage. However, most of these immigrants do not come to the US as highly skilled to begin with. The US provides the education with world class colleges and universities, requiring a substantial investment that pays off.
They're more likely to take children and younger people and they have to be very hard working that way social security wont run out as quickly, and they're guaranteed hard workers
I have mixed feelings when it comes to "world class colleges". Alot of colleges and Universities in other countries are very much better that those in the US nowadays. What I saw lately shocked me. My old alma mater can easily compete with Stanford. The statement "Your University degree does not count in the USA because of quality reasons" is just a trick to keep competition at bay. So not really. But you definitely have world class prices when it comes to education. Why is it that alot of US and Chinese students come to Germany? Because of the unjustified high prices, 'cause they know the truth.
@@stzi7691 "cause they know the truth" Yeah continue that delulu
Having studied in the anglo-sphere, I can tell you that your education is not better than that of continental Europe. Also, your universities are increasingly being ruled by progressive radicals, which means that freedom of speech is not assured there anymore.
Studied at public universities in both US and Germany, the quality of education & university experience is vastly different and justifies the high sticker price of international tuition in the US. The way US-universities vet and select prospective students is also what partly makes up the reputation of certain universities.
French artisans and engineers left first to surrounding countries and then to America.
The Irish exported millions of people from 1820-1930.
Talent moves always and for different reasons but usually to live freely.
The Irish actually left from a famine the English are partially responsible for
Just look at how much Americans pay for their scientists and engineers. And take a look at how much Europe pays similar counterpart. Not even close.
I've just left the UK to work in the US space industry as the take home salary was triple...
The US is an Europe with less language and cultural barriers, and safer geographically. That’s how she grows stronger and attract the talents
Europe is trying hard to get VC funding up and keep start-ups in Europe. But so far it isn't working. Pretty interesting topic, I hope Europe can compete with the US again in the future.
Went on vacation a few years ago to Sydney and stayed at an airbnb house owned by a young French guy and his wife. He was saying pretty much that he started his high tech company in Australia instead of France because of the high taxes (and other government policies) which he used to believe in when he was younger in school but not anymore.
@@johnl.7754 Hmm. But Australia is a really poor choice then, 30% corporate tax for companies in Australia. Less then 25% for France if I remember correctly. 20% in the Nordics (Sweden, Denmark, Norway etc).
France has very high incomes taxes and Australia has pretty low income taxes, but for corporations, I think France is actually lower
@@toniderdonmaybe you’re right I never researched it just saying what I heard. I’m from USA.
Nah bro, give me your brain.
@@johnl.7754 Hah you reminded me of that famous French actor that became Russian to pay less taxes.Even Louis Vuitton company has moved to another country to pay less taxes.
I've tried applying my talent back home in a Latin Country.... I found myself against a rigid barrier: The government and its idiocracy
I would gladly move from the US to work in the EU.
However they just aren’t paying what my career valued
All of the scientists mentioned in the beginning were valued here.
Pay your workers EU
Agreed, I’m from Spain but moved to the USA to be a doctor because the pay in Spain is nothing compared to the pay in the USA
@@danix4883 it’s such a shame that’s how things are
What many people don't realize however is that legal immigration to the US today is almost impossible. Many people cite the US as having a large percentage of foreign-born citizens but most of these are family based. Otherwise, the most likely way for someone to move to the US would be through employment, not family, since not everyone has family in the US. Just 12% of immigrants to the US are on employment visas, and another 4% are diversity visa (a literal lottery that has a 1% win chance - even the employment visa is a lottery system so that isn't guaranteed either, mind you) winners.
So, beyond those two, immigration hopefuls need to either have family in the US, be an asylum seeker, be a victim of a crime under very specific circumstances, or be granted a special visa (think translators and such in Afghanistan, etc. These are 1% of immigrants).
Since some people I've spoken to have gotten upset when I mentioned this, I should clarify that I'm not criticizing America's immigration policy - although many people already have, it's not my place to judge it, since it could be bad for everyone else but good for Americans, which one can argue is what matters, but I'm pointing out the faultiness in the premise of America being easy to immigrate to.
America isn't easy to immigrate to because *everyone* wants to emigrate to America. She's the hot girl. She can afford to be very picky.
Compared to most countries around the world, it is easier to immigrate to.
I won the greencard lottery 🎉 am an Australian software engineer moving to Austin in May
@@VibronicCowthat's great. What made you pick the US over Australia?
@@LedHabel I have studied in the US before at university and spent A LOT of time there having lived in Canada for 6-7 years so I am really into north american culture, NFL etc, very good money for devs, in general just a cultural experience in my 30s but plan to return to Sydney eventually
I live and work in the US coming from Southeast Asia (Malaysia). I came to the US because all the books I read when I was 15, 16, about entrepreneurship, neuroscience, were all written by Americans. Europeans didn't seem to have an influence, except for the greats like Jung or Freud from 200 years ago. Everything was coming out of the US. The innovation, the talent, the ambition, the cutting edge. I didn't even know the US paid more when I came here. I just knew that as someone who didn't want to follow the traditional path of medicine, law, or engineering, the US would allow someone like me who was extremely driven and wanted to create impact in the world, that the US was the place to be.
No country is more affected than India. American companies offer outlandish salaries to IIT Engineers and off they go to USA.
They're not really outlandish to the Americans it's just the price of good workers.
That, and Italy is also having one of the worst cases of brain drain in the world. All their talent and youth gets outsourced and they're left with an aging population - which is eating up all their money.
This should be realize and learnt by developing country like my country Indonesia, the govrt literally corrupt and they didn't care about the nation's future. Sadly i have plan to go to Australia by the end of this year to get better quality life, not because i hate my country. I do love Indonesia but i can't help. The system already suck, corrupt, full of nepotism, etc.
Australia bro?
@@jonathanhoward1499 try living as an average Brazilian and you will think that even Chile is a decent country
@@jonathanhoward1499 Australia consistently ranks in the top 5 countries with highest quality of life so not sure why that's even a question.
I am a scientist myself. Coming from a small European country. I'm developing new cancer treatments. In my home country the expected salary in my position is $1500-2000 net per month and an average apartment in the capital city costs >20x average yearly salary. This means that I would never be able to own a home. And I don't want to start a family while renting and moving around every year or so.
So, I said fuck it and I went to the US. In the US I get paid about $8300 net per month and I just bought my first 2 bed apartment without any issues at all. And even after paying all expenses each month I am still left with almost double the net salary that I'd make at home...
So, yeah, as much as I'd love to live and do my research in my home country (honestly, there are many things about the US that I don't like), it just makes no sense.
Top talent gets paid top dollar in the U.S. Vast majority of Americans think that’s good. A small number of losers think ‘they’ are being replaced.
In my country a researcher of cancer was not even paid, he moved to the US with his wife and now works at Harvard. No, my country is not developing but it is in the G7 (Italy)
The USA is so OP as a country it's like they're playing on tutorial mode while using cheats.
If Mexico hadn't been so focused on fucking itself up over the last 500 years, North America would be a scene of eternal rivalry, not unlike that in Europe between France and the UK.
The US and Europe are good and bad at some things. But to be both equal in those specific areas, I think we need to learn from each other and see how to improve on those areas. 🤔🧐
Nah US is better and its why way more people immigrate to the US than Europe
ngl US is WAAAAAAY better than Europe in technology
ngl US is WAAAAAAY better than Europe in technology
I can agree@@YoheYamatai
@YoheYamatai as Brit, who visited America last year and has family in the US, I was amazed it was like the 90s, not one shop, restaurant or cafe besides 1 Starbucks at JFK Airport took contactless cards, streetlights, and light bulbs off places where filament lights and not LEDs, US internet speeds and the existence of "Data Caps" just pale in comparison to here.
In terms of Technology most US cities are comparable to and even behind many African cities
US is great, for the wealthy. Europe is great for the middle class and poor. The sad thing is that Europe is bad at attracting the capital class. This is why I think immigration is bad, those who are smart and educated leave to better places. Those who can't stay and have to deal with bad local environments. This can perpetuate attrocities, corruption, and etc as the people who know or can fix it leave.
The US is also better for the middle class, Europe is really just better for the poor. The poorest 20% of Americans make more than the average European.
I'm not sure if Europe is even that great for the middle
You earn a little bit more the taxman comes knocking
That said at least you won't go broke trying to see the doctor
In America you have the hope of moving even further up if you don't go bust by your medical bill so take your pick
What is a "middle class"? And what is a "capital class"?
@@edh1010 Do you know anyone from the "poorest 20% of Americans"? LOL
LMAOO?? Europe has the highest poverty rates and inequality rates in the developed world, look at Netherlands highest inequality in the world.
The US also pushes private/public partnerships which help cut costs for the creators.
What the hell is the IS?
@@mkw5398 A damn autocorrect mistake! Thanks for catching it! It was supposed to be US not IS.
America doesn't steal anything and anyone. As a person from Eastern Europe (ex-USSR) - its just much much much people -friencly for talented an educated people. Its not only about money, there are many factors in play.
Russia lost me to Portugal where my salary tripled. I love it here and yet my eyes water when I see american salaries. My goal is to work for an american company and remain here. That would be literal heaven
Being a more unequal country, means that highly skilled people can get paid more if they go there.
LOL.
yeah you get paid more if you're highly skilled.. that's common sense. brain surgeons vs plastic surgeons, like cmon what??
People come here for the social equality and economic inequality. They want to be paid more for their skills, and not discriminated against for their race.
@@efeddwdw9782 but in some countries, these people enjoy higher privilege than they do in other countries, also common sense.
lol, true
I'm currently in Nepal , also planning to immigrate to USA.
Well when you do come here, Welcome to America
Possibly my fav channel atm such good video topics
Seems fitting for a south african to be discussing brain drain lol I recognize that accent from a mile away. Also I'm currently working in the US(as a south african)
You recognize an accent in print? 😂😂😂
Besides the moral arguments for it, the video serves the practical reason for more equal rights. It means you can draw from a larger pool of skilled immigrants since they won’t feel like they’ll be shot/mutilated for existing and being successful.
I've always felt that America has also had a unique cultural advantage over other countries as well. Due to the U.S. being a melting pot it's relatively easy to come to the U.S. and BECOME an American since we are a nation founded on ideals not a common ancestry/ethnicity. I feel like if you were a Nigerian or an Indian guy or gal you would just feel a lot more comfortable and fit in much easier in America than say Germany, Sweden, or especially China.
I don't quite understand what you're saying, though? In the US people get shot/maimed (by the police as well as other citizens), yes. But that obviously doesn't deter immigrants, so it can't be a deciding factor...
(Although, that and the general level of racism and social anxiety would be _my_ main reason for not going to the US, no matter how shizzy Europe and Asia are.)
@@simonspethmann8086 You are completely wrong. The U.S. is very open about racial issues, but things are actually much better here than in Europe. Europe only looks better because they don't talk about their problems. Immigrants from most African countries out earn whites in the U.S. you couldn't dream of that in Europe.
@@WillieFungo The PM of the UK is Indian and half of his cabinet isn't white, what do you mean?
@@joshjwillway1545 So? It doesn't change the fact that most immigrants are extremely poorly integrated in Europe compared to in the U.S. Britain is one of the better countries, but France, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Italy, etc are a disaster.
I have EU citizenship but only work for US Fortune500 companies with offices in Europe. I used to work for a European company for 1 year - never again. My past and current US employers (FAANG, other big tech) are much more generous and offer better resources, benefits, and perks + you get to work with top talent every day. In addition, I was able to attend grad school in the U.S. which was fully funded by my US alma mater. So the U.S. paid for my education in a way and I am happy to provide my skills and help to advance my current employer’s business activities in Europe.
In Amerika truck divers earn more on average than mechenical engineers with an masters degree and 15 years of experience in germany. its a joke
Wait what did you need to get selected for the job and how did you make them pay for your education
Jamaican here and I’m a nurse 🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
Subjective US experience by yearly income:
$100K+ best place in the world.
$10-100K really depends.
Europe does not have only 60.000 bureaucrats. That is only on a EU level. The individual counties have huge armies of bureaucrats.
I have a feeling the UA-camr knew this but said it anyway to boost the comments section
Are you South African? Your accent and style of speaking is very comforting. Could listen to you all day.
1977 , 1974 was fifty years ago and in my lifetime. I met one of those European Phd, we played chess, he taught me chess. Between meals I served at kosher hotel, Tesslers in Cherrytown Kerhonkson in 1972. It was one heck of an experience
How their dare to pay more!?
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Looks like he wants to do his internet browsing in private.
Its because America is number one.
People pursuing their interests is no ‘drain’, it’s a ladder upward…
Thier not being stolen rather fairly compensated.
Nope. They are fairly compensated in Europe. In the USA they are just overly compensated, while normal workers are undercompensated.
@@yankeehunter4726The reality was already explained, so you didn't have a reason to reply.
@@yankeehunter4726 no American company has overpaid its workers and stayed in business.
@@yankeehunter4726 "Fair" is so flexible word, for different people it would mean totally different amounts. Who are you to enforce your vision of what is "fair" to someone else.
@@yankeehunter4726”In the USA they are just overly compensated.” Well this is the funniest cope I’ve ever seen. It’s like someone from Bangladesh saying that the people in Bangladesh are compensated fairly, but “it’s just that in Germany or France they are overly compensated.” Yeah, sure bud.
people also go to america cause of their pop culture and influence my country has higher pay and better standard of living however there is still thousands moving to america to experience what they see in american films or social media
What's your country?
"How America pays the world's talent better than their home countries"
America: hey you wanna work for us, we'll pay lots of money.
This guy: omg look how America is stealing the worlds workers.
We should invest in more scholarships for US students at European universities in STEM related degree's on the condition they stay for 5yrs post graduation.
Correction: Niels Bohr was not Jewish, but atheist, he never fled to the US, but he helped many do it, and he was also Danish, not German. So he should not be mentioned as a Jew fleeing to the US, although he was a great scientist :).
Hitler didn’t care if Jews were practicing or not, he just cared about the ethnicity. If Bohr had Jewish parents, being an atheist wasn’t going to keep him safe.
Sounds kinda bitter.
Like I remind my European acquaintances, if Europe hadn’t sucked so hard, there wouldn’t even be an America… (that part…) Don’t be bitter-be better (you know, like you already think you are).❤
It's not stealing if talented people decide to go to the United States themselves. It's a great country and more intelligent people would love to be there.
I just saw an ad from the US calling for nurses to immigrate to the United States. Kind of sucks how one country can basically import all the skilled migrants it wants. But that's what it means to live in a free world.
I mean the amount of articles on my phone because it's in Spanish astounds me of ads like this: "This person immigrated to the US and got a visa because of this one trick, find out here how to get that visa!"
Many countries depend on remittances from overseas workers (for better or worse)
@@johnl.7754 Yeah that's unfortunately true, many people I've met don't do anything but work and drink, cause they send half their meager paycheck back home to family.
people come to US not because of its freedoms but to earn more money than they would if they stayed back in their country of origin.
Lower and middle income countries cant compete with US to retain graduates or skilled people because of the wage premium.
India is a prime example of tht..most here would happily stay back if they can get decent salaries but most dont and hence go to US to study in hopes of earning more
Feel free to work 13h shifts in the US.
electing the Nazi's back fired on Germany.
In the long run... it didn't. Do you know how absolutely shitty the Weimar Republic was for us? You cannot even imagine. Everything, really everything else was way better. In this situation you, of cause, also fall for an austrian idiot that says "I make Germany great again". Sounds familiar? Today we paid off our debt of 2 lost World Wars and still are an economic power-house even with our thousands of problems and absolutely horrible stupid politicians. We did get a few scraps back from the cold war from you guys, assuming you're american, by the way 😉.
They didn't elect them, the Z group put them in power
The Germans didn't elect the Nazis just for the sake of it. The Treaty of Versailles and the Great Depression directly led to their rise.
I think the claim that the EU has “only 60000” bureaucrats is very misleading. First because there are many other intergovernmental bureaucratic units in Europe, but separate from the eu itself. This is especially true since the EU relies on member states to enforce its own policies.
The real number to look at is total government employees. In Europe 17% of jobs are in the government. With 200 million employees this equates to roughly 34 million government workers. In the US this number is 22 million. Now, with it amounting to 14% of the workforce. That’s a massive loss in efficiency. The numbers are even worse when you account for the fact that a smaller proportion of the population works in Europe. This means that while the government is responsible for caring for more people at a higher level than it does in the us, it has fewer workers paying taxes to cover the costs.
Now take the most talented and highly paid workers and offer them both higher pay and lower taxes and you have a recipe for disaster. These are the workers who not only generate the most direct government revenue through their wages but indirectly generate even more through mentoring, starting businesses and scientific discovery.
its not stealing if theyre compensated. its freedom and climbing the social class
*Mr Krabs Voice:* MONEY
Teslas ceo is overseas born chairmen dell company is from canada and the owner of blomberg have ancestry from russia
Ancestry doesn't mean anything.
@@ChadwickTheChadbecause you said so
@@jaylooppworld381 You should be proud of where you come from instead of clinging onto the US.
Ummm, Michael Dell was born in Houston?
Workers in Europe are heavily underpaid, you can’t have a good economy if everyone is poor af
EU needs to reform, too much regulations in EU is suffocating us.. we need lower taxes and less EU bureaucracy
That's why democracy and rule of law always worth it.
You meant "being a colonial settler colony" and "having forcefully placated your neighbours through coercion and coups" right?
@@GWT1m0 no
@@GWT1m0 No, we mean freeing Europe from the Nazis, Asia from the Japanese, South Korea from the Communists, putting a man on the moon and creating the rules-based international order.
Sounds like a skill issue
Lmao
Literally is skilled people being taken from other countries😂
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It's telling when you need to compare the US to all of Europe for a fair comparison. I see it on Reddit all the time despite europe being made up of many many nations
It's the weather. When I lived in San Francisco area hearing the British accent was common. The Midwest is the best, try a spring or fall vacation in cheap KC
Americas greatest strength are emigrants
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It is not important how much you earn perhour. More important is what you get for that money.
So I'm a german engineer and got a job offer in the US with almost triple the salary. While that sounds amazing the cost of living are much higher and when you think about insurance and also the work culture (working 50+ hours, almost no paid time off vs 35 hours and 30 days off) is vastly different and actually is not so much more.
When you pay a scientist $5 more than a fast food worker in California makes, they’re going to leave…
The title should be: How America rewards and enhances the world's talent. 😉
Didn't Europe believe in Free Market? hahaha It is not stealing, it is competing.
"America buys nerds" - Magnus Carlsen
Loyalty. Love of country. I would never leave my mother land.
Your name is apt.
@@SumitPalTube gay
@@Joker-no1uh Happy for you. I don't judge. Be gay as much as you possibly can be.
Wow, you are such a tool
Good for you.
Everyone flees socialism
Because we in America are the world’s biggest capitalists. When it’s all said and done at the end of the day, we judge you based off of the value that you can bring, regardless of your background. So, naturally America is the place to pursue wealth maximization and career advancement.
Some parts of romania aren't doing that badly. Bucharest for example will be comparable to many cities in germany by 2026 or 2028. And many people in romania wouldn't immigrate to the usa. I think the actual number who would is 100.000 out of 19 million so less than 1%. The real reason behind the american success is the amount of resources the usa have and the large amount of inhabitable territory.
If you are a top quintile earner in Europe, the US is almost certainly better for you financially. For the next quintile, it starts to get hazy and probably depends very heavily on your personal situation. If you’re in the lowest 60%, you’re almost certainly better off in Europe.
I'm from Sweden and I've always planned to either move to the US, or somewhere in South America. Any other European country simply isn't an option because there's way too many people there making the cost of buying land astronomic compared to the incomes. All of Europe aside from Scandinavia (which is really better suited as a landfill than a human habitat) is severely overpopulated.
Sweden is fairly sparsely populated, is it not? Though much of that land is probably too cold to be habitable.
@@nickiorio4487 All of Europe north of the alps is too cold. Also, the population density in Sweden is very unevenly distributed because of policy encouraging urbanization.
@@Eddies_Bra-att-ha-grejer Swedistan lol
Didn’t Germany go fascist in the 30’s???
Thats what he said.
Germany is still very much like a fascist state. 😂
I also had to listen again because I heard 50s the first time
@@eyalurim Project paperclip happened directly after WW2 and in the 50s.
It's quite simple really, here in the UK you get punished for working hard and doing well where as in America they actually reward you and incentivise individuals to work hard. When I used to be an aircraft mechanic (STEM job), I'd have to wake up at 2am every morning for 6 days straight and put in a solid 12 hours of work in brutal conditions all for a salary barely above minimum wage. Meanwhile my next door neighbour who's done nothing other than sit around on her fat arse and watch T.V for the last 7 years earns more than me in government benefits and still has the audacity to moan about skilled workers coming into the country and "taking our jobs". To see a significant portion of my income taxed and redistributed to her pocket really rubs salt in the wound and I dream that one day I can move to a country like America where my skills and hard work are appreciated, respected and rewarded.
This kind of brain drain is one of the big reasons Israel became as successful as it did. Tons of professional and bright Jewish immigrants from the collapsed Soviet Union that were given much better opportunities in Israel in the 80s and 90s.
Title should be: How Europe repels talents through enormous taxation, red tape, bureaucracy and socialism 🤣
Socialism? You’re so wrong if you think Europe is socialist