Remember the Australian and South African players were not wanted by their country, but wanted to play international rugby. Look at Jack Dempsey who has been utterly brilliant for Scotland and Glasgow. As Scots we are proud of them because they probably put more heart into the jersey because of the fact they have been given a second chance or a chance to play on the international stage. South Africa and Australia have lost these players through there own faults. How many islanders have played for Aus or NZ in the past?
@@allthegearbutnoidea.7138 Hey thanks for your comments ... It's the players' individual choices as to which nation they play for, and I'm ok with that. As to the reasons - surely it varies from player to player. In the case of both Dempsey and Tuipolotu though - given the ages at which they each moved to Scotland and what they each had achieved (pro rugby and representing Australia) before they did so - I would say that Scotland can't claim much in terms of developing them as professional and test players.
@@footyfin Yes fair cop but they can for letting them play international rugby,take it on the chin mate the countries that did not want them made them Scots,by denying them to play in their own countries
Sione Tuipulotu's granny is from Greenock. He might have been born and grown up in Oz, but he does have Scottish blood. Duhan & Pierre are a different matter... How many of the Aussies have heritage/ ancestry outside Oz?
@@douglasherron7534 good question - could you do some research and report back to us 😉 Sione played for Australia under 20s and Melbourne Rebels in super rugby, so I wouldn't think that Scotland could claim significant credit for his development as a rugby player. 🤔😉
@@footyfin I'll see what I can find out...! 😉 I'm not denying that Sione developed as a player in Oz, I was just stating that there is a legitimate blood tie to Scotland (plus his granny's mince & tatties, clootie dumplin' etc. probably contributed to his impressive physique!! )😆
@@footyfin Regarding your earlier question, of the 37 man Aussie squad for 2024 there are: - 7 born outside Australia (18.9%), and - 15 of non-Australian heritage (40.5%).
@@douglasherron7534 Hey thanks for that ... Although I am a bit puzzled by your "non-Australian heritage" description; could you PLS elaborate on what is meant by that?
As a Scot, I am glad to see Australia playing some good rugby. They've got a young team and will be very strong for their 2027 RWC. Would like to see Australia vs. Japan during that tournament just for the narratives surrounding Eddie Jones.
Cheers for the review Footyfin,well balanced and honest mate.after this reality check hopefully the wallabies really pull together at training this week and bring that energy to the defence and attack against Ireland on the weekend.i think Tate will be crucial,a really underrated halfback he's got that ability to help the team turn things around
@@Jon-bk2yw cheers Jon, I appreciate that mate 👌 yes it is a short turnaround but hopefully they can finish this tour well. Yeah seems that Joe S is favouring Tate off the bench for his impact and darting runs against tired defences... Not fully sure of his long-term plan re scrumhalves particularly who starts tests ... We'll see
I agree Tate is underrated but oh man that unnecessary kick on the weekend killed me. 5 out from the line we had the momentum, 2 or 3 crash balls and we would have been over.
Hey Fin. You make a point of mentioning the country of origin of now qualified Scottish players. I'm sure, as rugby man, you are aware that the Wallabies, in their history, have selected players born in other countries as follows: NZ (51), England (21), SA(9), Tonga(9) , PNG (6), ireland (5), Scotland(3), Canada (2), India (2), Zimbabwe (2), amd 1 each from: American Samoa, Argentina, China, Indonesia, Zambia, Namibia, USA, Germany, Samoa, Italy, Indonesia and Saudi Arabia! I recon you have the Scots licked on that score mate! But hey, that's international rugby for ya 😂
@@pobl85 haha, good call 😉 And did you see my more recent video re 2 Aussies and 3 Kiwis in Ireland's starting XV? Btw where did you get your numbers from / what's your source? Cheers 👌
Thanks for the reply, Fin. My source was a nice graphic posted on a well established reddit page. (Link below). I am with you on the Irish having as many southern hemisphere players - amd many of them are key players in that squad. Scotland gets all the shtick for overseas qualified players, but the Irish wouldn't be where they are now without Gibson-Park and Bundee Aki in particular. I was in Wales recently, where I have a lot of old mates through rugby, and I told them in my view, the Welsh should have done what we Scots and the Irish did 7-10 years ago, which is go on the hunt for project players. Both unions realised they did not have enoug home-grown talent to survive at the top table. Wales have missed that boat , and I don't know how they catch up on that type of policy? Maybe offer Aussies to come over on the boat for 10 bucks? 😂 Enioying your content, link below to graphic ... www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/mi0uz6/where_wallabies_were_born/#lightbox
@@pobl85 cheers mate - I appreciate that. Reasonable idea re Wales! I also have Scottish ancestry, both sides - maybe I should've stayed when I was backpacking there at age 21 and signed up with one of the clubs 😂 interesting story re the Saudi-born Wallaby: it's Stephen Moore, who was captain in the 2015 RWC final! And his parents are Irish ... Although he moved to Oz at age 5. Hope Scotland do well in 2025 6N ... At this stage I'd predict they'll be well represented in the BIL squad 👍
@@footyfinno worries buddy. I stay in the Scottish Borders, which used to be the guts of Scottish rugby back in our day. Gregor Townsend is from my home town of Gala. Our hopes are indeed high for more than a few Lions picks. All depends on the 6 nations performances. We have promised much in the past, and rarely delivered. However, I felt a change in physicality and mental toughness in the Boks and Aussie games which is new - Due in no small part to the leadership of Sione - you guys missed a trick letting him slip away! Regarding the BIL - it could be very possible that our back line in the first test could moslty be Southern hemisphere born players on current form, here is my pick: 9: Gibson-Park, 10: Finn Russell, 11: Duhan, 12: Bundee, 13: Hugh Jones 14: James Lowe, 15: Blair Kinghorn ... Perhaps a bit one-eyed, but our back line is the best I've seen in my lifetime - they score tries for fun and are a joy to watch. Would be interested in your views?
for a bit of context thi s is Al list of AUSTRALIA FOREIGN-BORN PLAYERS who are playing now Brandon Paenga-Amosa New Zealand Australia HK Residency (2002) Lukhan Salakaia-Loto New Zealand Australia LO Residency (2012) ,Noah Lolesio New Zealand Australia FH Residency (2013) , Max Jorgensen England Australia FB Parent - and FOREIGN-BORN PLAYERS: HISTORICAL NUMBERS who have played for AUSTRALIA 2023 - 8 2022 - 8 2021 - 11 2020 - 13 2019 - 12 2018 - 13 2017 - 12 2016 - 14
@@mjh-photoshop cheers for that - it's interesting.... Btw I was gonna say something like 'i don't believe everything AI tells me' 😉 ... And sure enough it has missed Harry Potter there. (Btw - Jorgensen was born in England just because his Aussie father was playing there at the time).
Thanks for your comment. Everyone is entitled to their personal opinion course. "should have" is an interesting term isn't it ... Of course there are probably some folks out there who thinks that Scotland should have won at least one 6N title in the history of that tournament ... But to date, history tells a different tale.
7. That’s the number of Australian players born elsewhere in your 2023 World Cup squad. But go ahead and make the excuse that Scotland had an Aussie born centre etc… and that’s the reason they won! You have an overpaid League player who made two decent passes against an average England side and a team that beat a developing Wales side currently the worst they’ve ever had! Be honest, if Scotland had turned up, it would have been a thumping.
Thanks for the comment. Can you PLS provide the list of players' names, their places of birth, and also the age they were when they moved to Australia. I'll look fwd to seeing that list mate 😉👌.... Albeit there have been quite a few squad changes since RWC (Eddie Jones made a number of dodgy selection calls throughout 2023). And BTW I agree that Suaalii is overpaid. However I didn't use Scotland's southern hemisphere players as an excuse for this loss. 👍
@OctalMicrobe71s ok fair .... Although, I was at the test in Dublin in 2009 when Wallabies and Ireland had a draw (Ireland were 6N grand slam champs at the time)
@@MrPoepope Hey lads - it's not about genetics as such ... More about where people learn to play rugby and develop their rugby skills. Tuipolotu played under 20s for Australia and played super rugby in Australia, so Scotland can't claim much in terms of his development as a player. Anyhow I just threw a line in the water and some people took the bait 😉👍
Remember the Australian and South African players were not wanted by their country, but wanted to play international rugby. Look at Jack Dempsey who has been utterly brilliant for Scotland and Glasgow. As Scots we are proud of them because they probably put more heart into the jersey because of the fact they have been given a second chance or a chance to play on the international stage.
South Africa and Australia have lost these players through there own faults. How many islanders have played for Aus or NZ in the past?
@@allthegearbutnoidea.7138 Hey thanks for your comments ... It's the players' individual choices as to which nation they play for, and I'm ok with that. As to the reasons - surely it varies from player to player. In the case of both Dempsey and Tuipolotu though - given the ages at which they each moved to Scotland and what they each had achieved (pro rugby and representing Australia) before they did so - I would say that Scotland can't claim much in terms of developing them as professional and test players.
@@footyfin Yes fair cop but they can for letting them play international rugby,take it on the chin mate the countries that did not want them made them Scots,by denying them to play in their own countries
Sione Tuipulotu's granny is from Greenock. He might have been born and grown up in Oz, but he does have Scottish blood. Duhan & Pierre are a different matter...
How many of the Aussies have heritage/ ancestry outside Oz?
@@douglasherron7534 good question - could you do some research and report back to us 😉
Sione played for Australia under 20s and Melbourne Rebels in super rugby, so I wouldn't think that Scotland could claim significant credit for his development as a rugby player. 🤔😉
@@footyfin I'll see what I can find out...! 😉
I'm not denying that Sione developed as a player in Oz, I was just stating that there is a legitimate blood tie to Scotland (plus his granny's mince & tatties, clootie dumplin' etc. probably contributed to his impressive physique!! )😆
@@douglasherron7534 well yes there is no denying that he has some Scottish ancestry 😉
@@footyfin Regarding your earlier question, of the 37 man Aussie squad for 2024 there are:
- 7 born outside Australia (18.9%), and
- 15 of non-Australian heritage (40.5%).
@@douglasherron7534 Hey thanks for that ... Although I am a bit puzzled by your "non-Australian heritage" description; could you PLS elaborate on what is meant by that?
As a Scot, I am glad to see Australia playing some good rugby. They've got a young team and will be very strong for their 2027 RWC. Would like to see Australia vs. Japan during that tournament just for the narratives surrounding Eddie Jones.
@@AdAstraStakePool cheers mate, and yes good point re Japan 👍
Cheers for the review Footyfin,well balanced and honest mate.after this reality check hopefully the wallabies really pull together at training this week and bring that energy to the defence and attack against Ireland on the weekend.i think Tate will be crucial,a really underrated halfback he's got that ability to help the team turn things around
@@Jon-bk2yw cheers Jon, I appreciate that mate 👌 yes it is a short turnaround but hopefully they can finish this tour well.
Yeah seems that Joe S is favouring Tate off the bench for his impact and darting runs against tired defences... Not fully sure of his long-term plan re scrumhalves particularly who starts tests ... We'll see
I agree Tate is underrated but oh man that unnecessary kick on the weekend killed me. 5 out from the line we had the momentum, 2 or 3 crash balls and we would have been over.
@@huckscout5601 yes mate that was frustrating for sure ... Could've turned the match potentially... Oh well 😬
Hey Fin. You make a point of mentioning the country of origin of now qualified Scottish players. I'm sure, as rugby man, you are aware that the Wallabies, in their history, have selected players born in other countries as follows: NZ (51), England (21), SA(9), Tonga(9) , PNG (6), ireland (5), Scotland(3), Canada (2), India (2), Zimbabwe (2), amd 1 each from: American Samoa, Argentina, China, Indonesia, Zambia, Namibia, USA, Germany, Samoa, Italy, Indonesia and Saudi Arabia! I recon you have the Scots licked on that score mate! But hey, that's international rugby for ya 😂
@@pobl85 haha, good call 😉
And did you see my more recent video re 2 Aussies and 3 Kiwis in Ireland's starting XV?
Btw where did you get your numbers from / what's your source?
Cheers 👌
Thanks for the reply, Fin. My source was a nice graphic posted on a well established reddit page. (Link below). I am with you on the Irish having as many southern hemisphere players - amd many of them are key players in that squad. Scotland gets all the shtick for overseas qualified players, but the Irish wouldn't be where they are now without Gibson-Park and Bundee Aki in particular. I was in Wales recently, where I have a lot of old mates through rugby, and I told them in my view, the Welsh should have done what we Scots and the Irish did 7-10 years ago, which is go on the hunt for project players. Both unions realised they did not have enoug home-grown talent to survive at the top table. Wales have missed that boat , and I don't know how they catch up on that type of policy? Maybe offer Aussies to come over on the boat for 10 bucks? 😂 Enioying your content, link below to graphic ...
www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/mi0uz6/where_wallabies_were_born/#lightbox
@@pobl85 cheers mate - I appreciate that. Reasonable idea re Wales!
I also have Scottish ancestry, both sides - maybe I should've stayed when I was backpacking there at age 21 and signed up with one of the clubs 😂
interesting story re the Saudi-born Wallaby: it's Stephen Moore, who was captain in the 2015 RWC final! And his parents are Irish ... Although he moved to Oz at age 5.
Hope Scotland do well in 2025 6N ... At this stage I'd predict they'll be well represented in the BIL squad 👍
@@footyfinno worries buddy. I stay in the Scottish Borders, which used to be the guts of Scottish rugby back in our day. Gregor Townsend is from my home town of Gala. Our hopes are indeed high for more than a few Lions picks. All depends on the 6 nations performances. We have promised much in the past, and rarely delivered. However, I felt a change in physicality and mental toughness in the Boks and Aussie games which is new - Due in no small part to the leadership of Sione - you guys missed a trick letting him slip away! Regarding the BIL - it could be very possible that our back line in the first test could moslty be Southern hemisphere born players on current form, here is my pick: 9: Gibson-Park, 10: Finn Russell, 11: Duhan, 12: Bundee, 13: Hugh Jones 14: James Lowe, 15: Blair Kinghorn ...
Perhaps a bit one-eyed, but our back line is the best I've seen in my lifetime - they score tries for fun and are a joy to watch. Would be interested in your views?
@pobl85 it's hard to beat the Hastings brothers 😉 one of my great grandparents was from Jedburgh! 👍
for a bit of context thi s is Al list of AUSTRALIA FOREIGN-BORN PLAYERS who are playing now
Brandon Paenga-Amosa New Zealand Australia HK Residency (2002)
Lukhan Salakaia-Loto New Zealand Australia LO Residency (2012)
,Noah Lolesio New Zealand Australia FH Residency (2013)
, Max Jorgensen England Australia FB Parent -
and
FOREIGN-BORN PLAYERS: HISTORICAL NUMBERS who have played for AUSTRALIA
2023 - 8
2022 - 8
2021 - 11
2020 - 13
2019 - 12
2018 - 13
2017 - 12
2016 - 14
@@mjh-photoshop cheers for that - it's interesting.... Btw I was gonna say something like 'i don't believe everything AI tells me' 😉 ... And sure enough it has missed Harry Potter there.
(Btw - Jorgensen was born in England just because his Aussie father was playing there at the time).
@@footyfin this information on the Australian rfu web site in players history
Scotland should have won by 40. It was a thumping.
Thanks for your comment. Everyone is entitled to their personal opinion course.
"should have" is an interesting term isn't it ... Of course there are probably some folks out there who thinks that Scotland should have won at least one 6N title in the history of that tournament ... But to date, history tells a different tale.
Hey look what got suggested in my feed 😊 Definitely the hype around the Wallabies was a bit much given it was just on the back of two wins
@@TwoCentsOnTour haha cheers mate (big fan 😉) and yeah I agree 👌
7. That’s the number of Australian players born elsewhere in your 2023 World Cup squad. But go ahead and make the excuse that Scotland had an Aussie born centre etc… and that’s the reason they won! You have an overpaid League player who made two decent passes against an average England side and a team that beat a developing Wales side currently the worst they’ve ever had! Be honest, if Scotland had turned up, it would have been a thumping.
Thanks for the comment. Can you PLS provide the list of players' names, their places of birth, and also the age they were when they moved to Australia. I'll look fwd to seeing that list mate 😉👌.... Albeit there have been quite a few squad changes since RWC (Eddie Jones made a number of dodgy selection calls throughout 2023).
And BTW I agree that Suaalii is overpaid.
However I didn't use Scotland's southern hemisphere players as an excuse for this loss. 👍
If we lose to Ireland we'll end the year 8th, win by any margin and the wallabies go straight over Scotland to 6th.
@@OctalMicrobe71s cheers mate, that would make a win even sweeter! So sounds like there's no way to finish in 7th
@@footyfin If its a draw then they get 7th but that's even more unlickly then a win
@OctalMicrobe71s ok fair .... Although, I was at the test in Dublin in 2009 when Wallabies and Ireland had a draw (Ireland were 6N grand slam champs at the time)
@@footyfin Now that the grand slam is over, I'm sure all us fans would take that result now.
@@OctalMicrobe71s yes I would be satisfied with that 👍
You should start DNA testing players--maybe go around there houses and get used cups, see if they should be playing for Pangea.
It would be hilarious if Australia did DNA tests think of all the Scottish, English, Welsh, Irish and other nations DNA in that cup.😂
@ I’m just having a laugh-these types of comments always come out after a team loses. But yeah, lots of GB&I heritage down under.
@@MrPoepope Hey lads - it's not about genetics as such ... More about where people learn to play rugby and develop their rugby skills. Tuipolotu played under 20s for Australia and played super rugby in Australia, so Scotland can't claim much in terms of his development as a player. Anyhow I just threw a line in the water and some people took the bait 😉👍