Former RBI Governor Raghuram Rajan Says India’s Growth Rate Much Lower Than 8.5%

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    Former Reserve Bank of India (RBI) Governor Raghuram Rajan says if one takes away the 'fluff' from India's growth numbers, its real rate of growth could be around 6-6.5% and not 8-8.5%. Speaking at an event at Northwestern University's Kellogg Business School, Rajan suggested there were two faces to the Indian economy, “One is a face we all see which we talk about in conferences about China plus one, Apple creating factories in India. The other face is a hurting middle and lower middle class, which is desperate for work.” Rajan also said that PM Narendra Modi’s dream of having a developed India by 2047 was not easy and would need growth rates of 9-10% over a sustained period of time. The economist is also not convinced of India’s growth numbers. According to Rajan, “Let's say we're growing at 6 to 7%, the big question is why aren't we seeing inflation at this rate of growth? What creates this kind of inflation is when you are growing fast and you run out of supply. Typically your labour, wage rates start going up but in India they are not. For a fast growing country, for agricultural employment, growth is a travesty. Why do people find jobs in agriculture? That's low productivity. They should be finding jobs elsewhere."
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 191

  • @Nidhin.chandrasekhar
    @Nidhin.chandrasekhar 21 день тому +55

    If poorest countries grow fastest then why the hell were we growing so slow during the 50s,60s ,70s and 80s under the Nehru Gandhi rule

    • @subhrajitgupta5535
      @subhrajitgupta5535 20 днів тому +2

      Poor countries with free market! India liberalised in 1991 under Congress

    • @MarketVisionHub
      @MarketVisionHub 20 днів тому +9

      ​@@subhrajitgupta5535who was stopping them doing the same before 1991

    • @subhrajitgupta5535
      @subhrajitgupta5535 20 днів тому

      @@MarketVisionHub Everyone and every party was then illiberal. They still are today

    • @kumar.193
      @kumar.193 20 днів тому

      Are you saying we were poor country without faster growth before 90s so we should continue the same way?

    • @mexicanmomo
      @mexicanmomo 20 днів тому

      INDIA was under congress from 1947 to 1991 . Who stopped them to open market ? Had crisis not happened, we would have moved at 2 percent hindu growth rate​@@subhrajitgupta5535

  • @2010anilshukla
    @2010anilshukla 21 день тому +54

    What was the growth rate when he was the RBI governor?

    • @shibashisdutta8042
      @shibashisdutta8042 21 день тому +9

      Hahaha. Don't ask him that please.
      Ask him what all things India is doing poorly. Even worse than Pakistan and he will happily come up with a huge list.
      I think his source of data is Gandhi family

    • @yourmom9608
      @yourmom9608 20 днів тому

      That blown away during his farting years

    • @flaminmongrel6955
      @flaminmongrel6955 3 дні тому

      It wasn't his job was it? he was a governor he manages the RBI and currency based on government policies. What else blame the Cabinet secretary for the problems of government?

  • @jaidebbakshi7707
    @jaidebbakshi7707 21 день тому +65

    He is influenced and now also talks like pappu

    • @SKayal-wg4ug
      @SKayal-wg4ug 21 день тому +4

      he has earned his respect through his work if u dont belive go look at his work and papers authored he is the finest breed

    • @shibashisdutta8042
      @shibashisdutta8042 21 день тому +6

      @@SKayal-wg4ug ya. Very respected work.
      He predicted recession every year. But nothing happened. Just he missed COVID time.
      But if I predict recession every year. Sometime it will match. Cause recession happens.

    • @anti-human88
      @anti-human88 21 день тому +1

      ​@@SKayal-wg4ugthose who are good at academics are generally poor in application

    • @varunkhugshal9049
      @varunkhugshal9049 21 день тому

      He talks like one, but he is not one, he is very smart, so he can twist facts very easily...

    • @user-tp2tm6fy9i
      @user-tp2tm6fy9i 20 днів тому +1

      ​@SKayal-wg4ug finest breed 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @akkuandtinu1107
    @akkuandtinu1107 21 день тому +29

    Why do u even call him for discussions and debates?

    • @brandondsouza5927
      @brandondsouza5927 21 день тому +1

      Yes sir, India is eagerly waiting for you to give your opinion. Tell him who his daddy is.

    • @radio_nowhere
      @radio_nowhere 21 день тому +2

      Dude invites himself. Needs to sell books.

    • @varunkhugshal9049
      @varunkhugshal9049 21 день тому

      Without conflicting views discussions get boring

  • @shubham3756
    @shubham3756 21 день тому +20

    He will remain obselite for more 10 years ,don't worry just see the growth of India Raghu 😂

    • @kumar.193
      @kumar.193 20 днів тому +1

      Where are the manufacturing jobs?

  • @DevPatel-bb5jd
    @DevPatel-bb5jd 21 день тому +26

    Car sales are increasing and 2 wheelers sales not - well that tells me that more people in middle class can buy cars not necessarily that middle class is getting crushed.

    • @sashank7139
      @sashank7139 21 день тому +6

      Literally. This man feels like he's giving a doctrine on how exactly are we still poor. Meanwhile my friends are all on abroad trip each year being in middle class. His metric analogy too feels sadistic. Like how proportionally we are not proportional😂

    • @AA13494
      @AA13494 16 днів тому

      @@sashank7139 there will never be 100% equality in any political system. some ppl will also outperfom most.

    • @sashank7139
      @sashank7139 12 днів тому

      @@AA13494 cycle of life. Some outperform early, some later, but with character...

    • @AA13494
      @AA13494 12 днів тому

      @@sashank7139 how do u know that ppl who outperform others lack character??
      Most ppl who lack character are dominant obc castes like your caste. who fake being victims
      leftist are very crafty with justifying their own failures with sweet nothings and baseless rhetorics.

    • @AA13494
      @AA13494 12 днів тому

      @@sashank7139 it is not cycle of life, ppl who outperform leave their wealth for their next gen. even if they die without character, they hv enuf money to buy character like TATA, mahindra, who earn money off of indians and then pay for anti-hindu research in foreign uni.

  • @wolfmangoland7972
    @wolfmangoland7972 21 день тому +18

    Raghuram Rajan was fired by the Modi government, so he always makes nonsensical and negative comments. He should know inflation is hurting every country in the world. He is educated, so he should know that there is nothing any Indian government can do to bring petrol/gasoline prices down. India did better than most by purchasing from Russia at a discount.
    He lives in the US and the US is struggling with economic growth and high inflation. The same is true with EU countries.

    • @varunkhugshal9049
      @varunkhugshal9049 21 день тому

      He completed his tenure.. he wasn't fired.. he wasn't rehired

    • @GowthamV07
      @GowthamV07 20 днів тому +1

      @@varunkhugshal9049 No the truth is he was fired. If he was good modi government would have kept him.

    • @varunkhugshal9049
      @varunkhugshal9049 20 днів тому

      @@GowthamV07 firing would have been if he was not allowed to complete his tenure...

    • @manmohanyadav971
      @manmohanyadav971 19 днів тому +3

      He tried very hard to continue. Even Obama supported his interest in the extension of his tenure. However, for many reasons, he was not committed to Indias growth, and he overstayed his welcome. Firstly, he did nothing for the fake money coming from Pakistan. Secondly black money was running at 48 per cent. Thirdly, he was a green card holder with his wife and 2 children American citizens. How can a country give such a sensitive position to a foreigner? During his tenure, the country economy went down.

  • @balajireddy7396
    @balajireddy7396 21 день тому +12

    He is most irrelevant guy to India. PERIOD

  • @khushalgala2013
    @khushalgala2013 21 день тому +18

    Has anyone asked for his advice?

    • @subhrajitgupta5535
      @subhrajitgupta5535 20 днів тому +2

      People go to him for advice.

    • @user-tp2tm6fy9i
      @user-tp2tm6fy9i 20 днів тому +2

      ​@@subhrajitgupta5535 😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @saibalsahoo8597
      @saibalsahoo8597 17 днів тому +1

      ​@@subhrajitgupta5535Bank NPA UPA era vs NDA era = 12% vs 3% 😂😅😂

    • @subhrajitgupta5535
      @subhrajitgupta5535 17 днів тому

      @@saibalsahoo8597 UPA gdp nominal growth 11.6%. NDA 6.8%

    • @AA13494
      @AA13494 16 днів тому

      @@subhrajitgupta5535 ppl got to him for propaganda especially leftists. and he gives them a hand job and helps them to relieve

  • @cybeast0076
    @cybeast0076 21 день тому +19

    Former RBI Governor Raghuram Rajan is useless since his plans all failed outright and his jealous of the current RBI Shaktikanta Das Progressive Policies.

  • @athirameretty6611
    @athirameretty6611 19 днів тому +2

    I really do not why people are calling this joker to any meeting

  • @lakshaybansal8266
    @lakshaybansal8266 21 день тому +13

    Where does he gets statistics 😂

  • @ariesnr3343
    @ariesnr3343 19 днів тому +2

    Where is the full video..show the slipper shot rebuttal given by arvind subramaniam...

  • @rajx7120
    @rajx7120 21 день тому +7

    We pay so much tax for all freebies. Obviously, we are hurting.
    You oppose reforms in agriculture, labour and manufacturing. And then cry wolf about unemployment. Then your favourite parties, increase freebies for lazy people.

  • @biswaroopmaiti2943
    @biswaroopmaiti2943 19 днів тому +2

    Middle class does not buy two-wheelers anymore, not like they used to. It is mostly the delivery people who buy them. Have you seen the heat, it's dangerous to be on a two wheelers! More people would rather use public transport if they cannot buy a car.

  • @roxymax8917
    @roxymax8917 15 годин тому

    3:44 tabhi to farm bill laye the, we need corporate investment to improvise agriculture sector. But tumlogo ne to bada virodh karte the

  • @subhrajitgupta5535
    @subhrajitgupta5535 20 днів тому +3

    He is right! Modi has given poor growth. Dr Singh have 11.6% nominal growth vs 6.8% nominal growth under Modi

    • @s8ul-cursed476
      @s8ul-cursed476 20 днів тому

      When can you elaborate Idiot 😂😂😂😂

    • @vikramaditya47_
      @vikramaditya47_ 20 днів тому +1

      Thats true but andbhakt wont agree

    • @arcaakvira
      @arcaakvira 19 днів тому

      they didn't have a f'ing golbal pandemic, wars, world war 3 tension ,

    • @subhrajitgupta5535
      @subhrajitgupta5535 19 днів тому +1

      @@arcaakvira They had even worse, 2008 financial crisis that lowered growth for 3 years. but still registered 11.6%.
      Stop being a gober bhakt

    • @arcaakvira
      @arcaakvira 18 днів тому

      @@subhrajitgupta5535 even the world id in a recession rn get over it namazi

  • @dhirushah8114
    @dhirushah8114 20 днів тому

    How can such a economist say that the middle class is a loser whereas you can see the difference that middle class can afford to spend the money and that they can spend the money

  • @flaminmongrel6955
    @flaminmongrel6955 3 дні тому

    I agree with him, the only people who are being milked to keep both the rich and poor happy are the middle class people. Poor cannot and won't pay tax neither will the rich.

  • @sridharvolesari4833
    @sridharvolesari4833 20 днів тому

    What else this person will say.. after placing india into fragile 5 during his term..congratulations

  • @446samba
    @446samba 19 днів тому

    Agriculture workforce is not at all growing instead in reality it’s sinking so much.

  • @sharathahuja8261
    @sharathahuja8261 20 днів тому

    Mr. Rajan: Can you offer us a solution to the recurring problems of drought and flooding in Karnataka? Can you offer us a solution to the traffic problems of Bangalore and Karnataka.

  • @mausumihalder2232
    @mausumihalder2232 21 день тому +2

    Insightful conversation.

  • @umedsingh1634
    @umedsingh1634 18 днів тому

    Job security is main concern and also salary is not fixed

  • @Bharat_the_earth_owner
    @Bharat_the_earth_owner 21 день тому +1

    He has been saying all this 😂😂

  • @pikachuthunderbolt3919
    @pikachuthunderbolt3919 19 днів тому +1

    Speak like hell but we wont take pappu to next level.
    Why india wasnt grow good from 2000s to 2010s.

  • @naveens1387
    @naveens1387 21 день тому

    Post whole of the video.. our ex. financial secratary will answer him ..to all the issues he has raised...

  • @AeonMusicRecord
    @AeonMusicRecord 21 день тому

    There is no need for btTV to interview RR. Totally not required

  • @Spr-no9oy
    @Spr-no9oy 15 днів тому

    Anyone checked the situation in US and Europe.lately?

  • @maxyogi
    @maxyogi 19 днів тому

    Consumer and consumption capacity simply does not add up with India's metrics of 'advancing' self determinism and autonomy.
    I find it hard to recocile it's Demand with with it's Demand for Jobs.

  • @nathp7764
    @nathp7764 19 днів тому

    Its easy for him to sit in America and critisize current govt. While willfully ignoring mistakes of lost opportunities in previous 60 years !!!!

  • @AlokKumar-ht4qs
    @AlokKumar-ht4qs 21 день тому +3

    well said...govt is doing well. but. so many parts of economy need to be more adressed for. employment creation

    • @shibashisdutta8042
      @shibashisdutta8042 21 день тому +2

      Isn't it true for all countries and all ages.
      He predicted recession every year in last few years. Just missed the COVID time.

    • @nikunjkavadia
      @nikunjkavadia 21 день тому

      ​@@shibashisdutta8042no....

    • @rajx7120
      @rajx7120 21 день тому

      Reforms in agriculture and labour are needed for job creation. And who is opposing the most? Pappu and pappu's economist.

  • @krishnadgd
    @krishnadgd 21 день тому +6

    He has NO Knowledge on Indian Economy neither what works.. just giving garbage out.,,realyy how can he be called Economist?Half knowledge is dangerous!!!!!

    • @varunkhugshal9049
      @varunkhugshal9049 21 день тому

      He has knowledge.. he is very smart, he just twist facts bcs of political compulsions

  • @user-vk7pp6xm7v
    @user-vk7pp6xm7v 17 днів тому

    Raghuram Rajan is right....indian government is worst in giving employment to youth

  • @harir3628
    @harir3628 21 день тому +1

    You can be from IIT IIM but if you have no moral compass or have a huge ego you become Rajan. He is irrelevant keeps talking. No one wants to hire this so called brilliant finance person who has never studied economics.

  • @makarandadke7973
    @makarandadke7973 18 днів тому

    FAILED RBI governor... Only Big talks with NO CONTENT...

  • @Max-de4np
    @Max-de4np 21 день тому

    Election me....
    Barsati medak hai pappu ka chhota bhai 😂😂😂😂

  • @ravishshah2565
    @ravishshah2565 17 днів тому

    Give solution. We all know problems

  • @GowthamV07
    @GowthamV07 20 днів тому

    This guy literally made india not grow during his period with congress. Why is he now complaining when india is growing and millions of people are lifted from poverty??

  • @kamathkamath6150
    @kamathkamath6150 17 днів тому

    Rajan is hurt badly because his mentor Dynasty Party won't come to Power till 2034. Poor Rajan, Pappu's world class economist

  • @sachinbharatvilla
    @sachinbharatvilla 18 днів тому

    Did Gov Rajan peddle govt narrative when he held the post ?

  • @pradeeptudu5974
    @pradeeptudu5974 15 днів тому

    Manmohan Singh was far better, sincere and hones than Modi. Yes middle class are suffering. Price rice up to sky and unemployment has highest in Modi era.

  • @sumitsarkar1799
    @sumitsarkar1799 18 днів тому

    Why is he called for the option???? What was he doing when he was RBI governor??? He is a cheap and useless person.....

  • @446samba
    @446samba 19 днів тому

    I am from village in India we are not getting agriculture workforce in most of the villages but he is saying agriculture workforce is growing in India does this guy have brain?
    Does he will say what he say simply based on reading books instead of checking real ground reality facts?

  • @user-wz8xq6xy2i
    @user-wz8xq6xy2i 21 день тому +1

    He is a congrass gay like Ragu/Raju

  • @rajupodiyan3147
    @rajupodiyan3147 18 днів тому

    Age of Change has already started 📚🏫

  • @jayaramanpr8159
    @jayaramanpr8159 21 день тому

    Commentor shoul know the reason why PM Modi do not like Mr.Raghuram Raghan. Simply saying anything is not correct .

  • @wolfmangoland7972
    @wolfmangoland7972 21 день тому +2

    Raghuram Rajan was against manufacturing during and after his tenure. He wanted India to continue only in service (computer consulting etc). He does not understand that computer consulting does not help less educated people or people in non-tech fields.
    Modi government is pushing for manufacturing but without a proper infrastructure of roads and railways, not many businesses will ever invest their money. Congress never thought of developing a dedicated commercial rail corridor or highways.
    Raghuram Rajan was fired by the Modi government, so he always makes nonsensical and negative comments. He should know inflation is hurting every country in the world. He lives in the US and the US is struggling with economic growth and high inflation. The same is true with EU countries.

  • @sharathahuja8261
    @sharathahuja8261 20 днів тому

    I wonder why he's circulating around like hot air.

  • @Alchemist6490
    @Alchemist6490 20 днів тому

    He is just against Modiji. He is so blinded and became another Pappu. He can't see any good in the present government. Only criticism no constructive suggestions.

  • @webdeveloper2432
    @webdeveloper2432 21 день тому +1

    Does per capita income of 15000 - 20000 make a country a developed nation? You mean a GDP of almost 20+ Trillion dollars makes you feel India becomes a developed nation and till then it is poor? If what your theory is right, except for US and China, all other countries in the world are underdeveloped. Guys, if this guy can get so many awards and recognition in the US, imagine what professors in India with logical ability can be. We should fix that. Recognize the talent in India. Fix the inferiority complex in the country. We as a country are much better than what we think.

    • @nikunjkavadia
      @nikunjkavadia 21 день тому

      True if you know the defination of the Developed country and if you consider the inflation for next 20 years😂😂😂

    • @webdeveloper2432
      @webdeveloper2432 21 день тому

      @@nikunjkavadia :D :D :D Definition kya hai?

    • @rameshpudhucode6862
      @rameshpudhucode6862 21 день тому

      He meant $15,000 to $20,000 per capita income. Not trillions

    • @webdeveloper2432
      @webdeveloper2432 21 день тому +1

      @@rameshpudhucode6862 Currently India's percapita income is around $2000 and GDP $4 trillion around. Do the math! What are you studying? 2nd standard?

    • @user-tp2tm6fy9i
      @user-tp2tm6fy9i 20 днів тому +1

      It's 2700 not 2000​@@webdeveloper2432

  • @user-ro4oe2od4t
    @user-ro4oe2od4t 17 днів тому

    Rich people are growing making money.country is growing but poor families are getting poor n poorer. Why. Due to govt does not look after the poor families .

    • @AA13494
      @AA13494 16 днів тому

      thats not true. every1 is becoming rich. the gap will alws be there.

  • @Aum697
    @Aum697 20 днів тому

    Enough. This man keeps talking nonsense ...

  • @vikramaditya47_
    @vikramaditya47_ 20 днів тому

    Well I am surprised to see so many hating who says Truth. Nomial gdp was higher in congress era than in bjp

    • @arcaakvira
      @arcaakvira 19 днів тому

      that's cause people were dying? what did they do when we had 26/11 said sorry to the terrorists?
      if that's what get's us growth we don't want it

  • @selvarajchellamuthu9890
    @selvarajchellamuthu9890 19 днів тому

    Congress Politician Rahuram rajan

  • @camelartist3054
    @camelartist3054 18 днів тому

    This man deserves to be in jail for destroying the economy of India. Stay out.

  • @gootala1
    @gootala1 День тому

    Rafhuram, You were RBI governer and were useless. You have the courage to comment on others. I do not think you care about India. All You care is about your position, wealth. Your comments are utterly disgusting as always

  • @JM-lh8wj
    @JM-lh8wj 21 день тому

    Astronomical taxes and no benefits, of course it hurts.

  • @GururajBN
    @GururajBN 19 днів тому

    RR should stop talking and cribbing about India. His crocodile tears for the Indian middle class won’t help them. There’s a Kannada proverb which roughly translates thus:
    “If the oil extractor’s wife shows sympathy for the baby, its scalp won’t be cooled!”

    • @AA13494
      @AA13494 16 днів тому

      whats that suppose to mean??

  • @jayaramanpr8159
    @jayaramanpr8159 17 днів тому

    What is the use of constructing concrete buildings in India which only helps builders in India to grow and mainly responsible for climate change in India. Indians needs to produce one child per couple in order to solve Indias problem. Somany educated and rich Indians also produce minimum 2 children which is high setback for India. Inflation is very very high in India. Absolute povertyvin India aftersomany years of independence. I do not beling to any political party in India.

    • @AA13494
      @AA13494 16 днів тому

      while muslims produce 6-7 in rural india and 3-4 in urban india like mumbai and your issue is hindu couples having 2 kids.
      hypocrisy ki bhi seema hoti hai.
      urban rich indians shud hv minimum 4 kids to balance the population jihad done by the violent 2nd majority

    • @shrishri8898
      @shrishri8898 10 днів тому

      ​@@AA13494Muslims don't produce these many kids

  • @jayaramanpr8159
    @jayaramanpr8159 21 день тому

    You are correct Mr.Rajan. Inflation, corruption, and population are very very high in India at present . No action by India govt. to address these core issues during last 10 years. Please note that we meed not to compare Congress party with BJP. BJP is supposed to have a vikasith Bharat. I do not belong to any political party in India.

    • @arcaakvira
      @arcaakvira 19 днів тому

      modi term has the least inflation in the history of india
      even JP morgan and IMF and World bank have agreed on this

  • @sukhen
    @sukhen 19 днів тому

    I Never trust this Raghuram Rajan ,.

  • @radheyshyamjohar4698
    @radheyshyamjohar4698 7 днів тому

    ❤❤

  • @swapnilshivhare31
    @swapnilshivhare31 18 днів тому

    Political ex governor

  • @Alpha-qh4sb
    @Alpha-qh4sb 19 днів тому

    The sepoy.
    Talk for his master

  • @saibalsahoo8597
    @saibalsahoo8597 17 днів тому

    Bank NPA UPA era vs NDA era = 12% vs 3% and
    Average inflation
    UPA era vs NDA era
    = 8% vs 5%
    Please don't spreading lies 🇮🇳😊🙏

  • @sharathahuja8261
    @sharathahuja8261 20 днів тому

    Mr Rajan: Bangalore has a World Class airport but third class infrastructure and other facilities. Potholed Roads, overflowing drains, stinking Garbage, dangerously dangling overhead cables. Can you offer us a solution to solve these problems

  • @sibyjoseplathottam4828
    @sibyjoseplathottam4828 19 днів тому +1

    Seems BJP trolls are out in force when a Economist who knows facts presents some hard truths.

    • @AA13494
      @AA13494 16 днів тому

      rice bag convert giving gyaan

  • @alpha-engineer
    @alpha-engineer 20 днів тому

    The only fluff I see is in his head and the political wiring inside it. Let’s call it for what this is - Rajan is a proxy economist/spokesperson for the Congress party. He was one of the worst performing RBI governors that India has had … let’s debate that first!

  • @stylishmitochondria2556
    @stylishmitochondria2556 19 днів тому

    How come not even one prediction of his doesn't come out true ever...i mean not even one

  • @skanthaadsigns
    @skanthaadsigns 19 днів тому

    This guys makes a living in the US but hardly talks about US-Middle Class issues that are bigger than India's...

  • @palanisamiarrasu5353
    @palanisamiarrasu5353 20 днів тому

    India started growing after this congress guy was kicked out of RBI

  • @mediaonline5241
    @mediaonline5241 20 днів тому

    What a looser this fellow… cannot tolerate India’s success

  • @YoZen_Azken
    @YoZen_Azken 19 днів тому

    Modi is keep on doing he is downplaying . He is not telling what congress has done with India in 70 years. Congress first divided India into Pakistan and Bengladesh and then further let China occupied Aksaichin mountains

  • @saibalsahoo8597
    @saibalsahoo8597 17 днів тому

    Propagandist Ghu-ghu-raam 😂😅😂

  • @SOS_12
    @SOS_12 21 день тому +9

    useless

  • @chetanpatil1654
    @chetanpatil1654 20 днів тому

    😂😂Commie raghuram rajan has got proposal from Pappu gandhi for india's Finanace minister, if comgress come to power. So Commie raghuram rajan is doing his best to defame modi and bjp.😂😂

  • @YoZen_Azken
    @YoZen_Azken 19 днів тому

    You BusinessToday guys are jokers sitting with another joker who spread SOROS words

  • @yourmom9608
    @yourmom9608 20 днів тому

    Why raghuram is in pain because of the imaginary numbers ???
    Definitely he is a part of some thread