Does Batch Size Impact Flavor? 5 Gallon vs. 1 Gallon Batch
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- Опубліковано 21 гру 2020
- We are tasting differences between the same recipe scaled to a 5 gallon and 1 gallon batch sizes.
We do a lot of 1 gallon batches on this channel namely as part of our growing SMASH beer hop evaluation series. Question is, how do we know what we taste in a 1 gallon format scales up to the 5 gallon format if you wanted to repeat something we've done but at larger scales?
This week, Mike attempts to find any flavor and aroma differences in two batches of beer. John constructed a basic pale ale recipe with Cascade Hops and sized it for the two different size batches. He brewed each beer separately and on different days.
We plow into the methods and the taste differences in the video.
Cheers!
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@6:52 had me laughing. Good experiment dudes.
Yeah, that was a good one. Never do what your opponent expects you to do. - John
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3 years later, this video is still super relevant and helpful.
I am brand new to this and it is nice to know that with a little attention to detail a recipe can be sized without really compromise flavors so you don't necessarily have to brew 5 gallons just to find out it isn't what you are looking for
Glad it was helpful!
The only problem I have with brewing a one gallon batch is when it's good I say to myself,self you should have brewed 5 gallons! Great info as always. Brew On and Merry Christmas ⛄
Yep, I typically only brew one gallon batches for experiments in hopes they go well so I can scale up. Merry Christmas!
Happy holidays guys. This was great. I do a bunch of 1 gallon tests like this to dial stuff in. I just assumed things scaled but to you know what happens when we ass u me... thanks for taking the work of out this for me. Cheers from Uxbridge guys.
Cheers fellow MA resident! - John
Interesting video guys - thanks. I think the 1 gal batches you do for assessing hops is good as an experiment. When it comes to general brewing I vote for 5 gal batches as the time and effort aren't that much more. Now I know some brewers will say if you're going to 5 gal why not go to 10 gal.....and on and on it goes. Wishing you and your families have a good holiday!
Thanks Brian - yeah, definitely want to keep the effort/benefit ratio more balanced with the larger volumes. Brew on!
Great video! I've always been curious about this.
Glad we could help!
Nice. I plan to start making 1-2 gallon test batches, good to see that it's possible to keep results with multiplying grain and hop bills. Thanks guys. Cheers from Poland.
Cheers!
Great Video, stay safe and Merry Xmas!
Thanks - same to you. Cheers to 2021! - John
i like how mike just starts out drinking and saying mhm. that's my jam.
Cheers! -Mike
Great job as I must admit as I was a little concerned in the way the video was going to go. I started brewing AG but as a 1 gallon brewer for several years and even when I jumped up to 5 and 6 gallon batches I found myself chopping everything up once in a while into 1 gallon batches for experimentation as larger batches just made it easy to do more experimenting.
Believe me - I was happy with the outcome too! - John
Good video! I brew about 70% 5 gal batches, 20% 2.5 gal batches and 10% 10 gallon. I’ve never noticed a qualitative difference between any of them.
Also, recipe and gravity math helps smooth things out a lot. ;-)
Cheers guys.
Agreed - if I didn't use BeerTools to dial in the quantities of malt and hops, there's no way both beers would have been as similar as they were to each other. Thanks for sharing!
This was a great interesting video
Glad you enjoyed it!
You guys rock. Great entertainment and useful tips!
Thanks my friend. Cheers! -Mike
@@BrewDudes you’re welcome. Brew on! I just ordered a SS brewtech 7 gal. Chronically fermentor. Looking forward to increasing from 1 to 5 gal batches. You guys have been a huge inspiration!!
This was an awesome comparison... next challenge (like every other channel on UA-cam) 1hr, 4hr, and 6-8hr brew.... or... 1 week, 3 week, and 6 week fermentation.
The fermentation length is an interesting one. - John
Great video fellas. Only other thing I could think about was were they both carbonated the same way...CO2 I assume? There’s another video idea for you...2 1 gallon batches same recipe...one carbed with priming sugar the other carbed with CO2. Can you taste the difference?
Cheers and Happy Holidays guys! 🍻
I was wondering the same. With most beers (especially light colored hoppy beers) I struggle to get the same quality between kegging and bottling. While I do some 1 gal experiment beers that I bottle, I also picked up equipment to support stovetop 2.5 gal batches that I keg. I wish the price of the 2.6 gal kegs was not so high! I do a mix of 5 gal batches, 5 gal batches split into two (say with different yeast) and 2.5 gal batches...with some 1 gal extract based batches mostly to try out hops.
Yes, they were carbonated the same way - forced CO2. I've stayed away from bottling my gallon batches because of oxidation issues I have had in the past. I can try that experiment of the gallon batches - forced vs. bottle carbonation. I think we'd see the difference but need to do the experiment to know for sure. - John
Like I commented above, bottling 1 gallon batches is tough. My oxidation issues stopped me from bottling that batch size. - John
@@BrewDudes interesting about the oxidation issues. I’ve had similar issues with bottling my 1 gallon all grain batches...not sure if it’s oxidation or poor sanitation during bottling. Driving me nuts so I purchased a mini keg from AIH...see what happens with my next batch.
Cheers 🍻
Hey Brew-Dudes! Long time 5 gallon brewer and first time 1 gallon brewer here. Do you find that the one gallon batches ferment out allot faster, even when trying to adjust for pitch rate, as compared to the five gallon batches? I typically brew 2 to 2.5 gallon batches and they do seem to ferment faster but I also normally pitch enough yeast for a five gallon batch. Thanks again for being such great pathfinders for the rest of us!
For this experiment, the visuals of fermentation progressed slower for the 1 gallon batch than the 5 gallon batch. Mike discussed that it may be the lack of oxygen in the 1 gallon wort since the transfer from kettle (pot) isn't as drawn out as the 5 gallon batch is. I think I compensate for it with a larger than needed pitch of yeast. Just my observations - Brew On!
How about ... john v mike .. exactly same recipe brewed on different systems at each home.. Another great vid 👍🍺
We have had that idea for a couple of years now. The pandemic messed up the bigger plan of us going to the same store to get the same ingredients. Soon, though.
Great video! Did you use the same kettle and fermenter for both or different sized ones?
Different sized ones for each batch - 9 gallon kettle and 6.5 gallon fermentor for the 5 gallon batch. 3 gallon kettle and 1 gallon fermentor for the 1 gallon batch.
I think another test should be, you can brew back to back 5 gallon batches in the exact same ways and then be able to tell the difference? I think it would be possible to tell the difference just as he did with this test. There are so many variables to deal with I don't really think you could make them so similar you can't tell the difference.
I'd say try it out. Without a variable, seems it would be difficult to find a difference unless one beer had a flaw. Same recipe/same process/same ingredients should equal same if you have your process down - which we proved here too.
For the followup experiment, maybe it would be better to use a Belgian yeast 1 full packet in 1gal vs 1 full packet in 5gal. US05 is to nutral in my opinion to notice differences. Cheers from The Netherlands
I can add it to the list. Cheers! - John
Maybe during a week when it’s too nasty to brew Mike could give his thoughts on IBUs. Thanks guys.
YES!!!! Cheers! -Mike
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Nice!
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We're tripling our lighting budget for next year, but uh 3 times zero is uh still zero.
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Nah, don't split up a good team!
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