Warhammer Regiments of Renown Tier List
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Total War: Warhammer tier list ranking the regiments of renown for the Empire, Dwarfs, Vampire and Greenskin factions.
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One thing you missed about Stirlands Revenge: They have flipped AP values. Regular Free Company get 2 AP and 12 non-AP damage per shot. Stirlands Revenge gets 14 AP and 2 Non-AP, which combined with their higher model count and faster reload means they'll actually outdamage Handgunners quite significantly.
Yeah, those armorpiercing bullets
are pretty much their biggest deal and he completely missed it :(
Instantly thought the same thing
Legend not paying attention :(
Meh I feel like this matters a lot more in MP for value and not campaign. Definitely don’t feel better than standard handgunners because of the range difference. Other than with maybe Volkmar, FCM are awful in general. Same with Corsair handbows and chameleon skinks without Lokhir and Oxyotl.
@@plutonicquasar9069 we're talking about the armour piercing of the free company not the range of the handgunners?
Dragonback slayers also reduce the speed of the target they catch in melee by 35%, means a lot for the dwarves!
They also have charge defense against large foes which regular slayers don't have
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Worth mentioning about fire attacks, in WH3, it also reduces all healing by 50% so it will be a lot better now.
It'll be a lot better against healing, yes. But will it be a lot better in general? Like, how often do you go up against that something regenerates extensively? Aside from Vampire counts(looking at you Vlad), and nurgle, i don't remember having difficulties against healing.
@@erensametkaratas6593 doesnt matter much in pve, highly valuable in pvp
@@ahriisnotakitsune true. But this video is all about SP
@@erensametkaratas6593 if you're not going up against something that regenerates extensively, then why use fire damage in the first place? for it's niche use, it is a lot better. the general use doesn't matter, because you don't use fire attacks for general use.
@@iamdopeasfcuk if it's already better against regens, and if the change doesn't make it any more viable against non regeners, then it doesn't make it "a lot better". cuz you still use it against the same type of enemies and it has already been good against said enemy type. the change doesn't make it any more present in the game
Da Swamp Fings actually had Poison Attacks on their melee that you hadn’t mentioned. Though I doubt that would make much difference if you don’t hold much value for poison.
Its value on a large slow unit isn't just that great. Trolls are fast enough to catch most infantry anyhow, so it doesn't affect them that much. In melee, they are most likely going to get surrounded and ganked, and while the reduced damage is going to increase their survivability slightly, it's not exactly a huge boost.
But true poison and terror are upgrades compared to losing 1 MA, so rating them worse is a weird decision.
Though, in the end poison is best combined with skirmishers and such or in single entity duels, so its value is kinda situational, but definitely not a deprovement.
For melee units, he does value poison (just look at the skeleton warriors RoR that get in a higher tier just thanks to poison). Greenskills trolls can be used in a doomstack and fight in a blob which means if one units brings poison, it benefits the entirer blob of trolls.
@@guillaume9102 only as Grom as he can make them unbreakable, otherwise mixing a team of stone trolls and river trolls is an expensive way of getting an average army that is outperformed by the usual scrap upgraded skulker armies.
@@14sixtyone The poison combined with their mass is the sweet spot. The poison should help them catch and lock down enemy calv, heroes, monstrous infantry, ect ect.
Granted trolls have pretty low damage output so it's still not that amazing as you'll need to use other units to kill whatever they catch.
I think that losing 1 MA for Poison and Terror is enough to put it in slightly better. I really disagree with putting it in worse.
Feels like you overlooked that the ROR free company militia has armour piercing whilst the normal free company does not. That is actually a rather massive difference that you didn't mention
Indeed, that imo should put them into the top of the chart
@@jabloko992 no quite
It's kind of funky with their limited range. It helps but it's pretty niche. Especially when you consider what Volkmar can do to the whole standard free company militia, which is armor piercing to all normal free company militia, rendering it completely normal.
@@jabloko992 no way, only the things that have a complete change mechanically or simply deals more damage overall, and make the unit work better in all situations deserve to be on the top, see with higher ap it’s good but if you’re shooting at something with low or no armor, it’s pretty much the same. And sometime the ap not even matter like for the green skin horse archer things.
He overlooked quite a lot of little things.
Ekrund's miners have a 200% ammo increase compared to regular miners with blasting charges. For a unit that's only real damage dealing potential is in its blasting charges, it's a HUGE boost. It's like bringing 3 units worth of damage before it does its duty of holding the line.
I would agree, it should have been 'better than the original'. If it was 10+2 ammo it wouldn't be a big deal, but 1+2 is triple the amount of shots. That turns this unit from a disposable (by dwarven standards) unit with a slight benefit of a single nade, to a grenadier unit with 3 shots. I'd say that's a big deal.
It's likely to be in combat before it's throwing extra charges. And then it's just a miner squad.
@@benstaffordson7163 why would that be likely? you can just...put it behind another dwarf unit, I hear those guys are decent at holding. Then, after it threw all those bombs it goes into melee.
Legend always (rightly) stresses the importance of trading up in balance of power. These guys will trade MASSIVELY up in balance of power.
Beyond all that, because they have such low ammo, but still have more ammo then base Miners, that means if you have an engineer in the army, you can use restock on them early and by the time the battle is over they've fired about 5 volleys, realistically all of them at the dwarf lord who clumped up the enemy around him
@@jabloko992 The explosive hits will hit your own units, with their garbage range.
Or, you could just get another ranged unit behind it. You want to talk about trading up in power, the blasting cap miners aren't it.
Legend, look at the attack modifiers.
Stirlands Revenge has Armour Piercing Missles.
Swamp things have Poison Attacks.
The absolute madlad actually did it...
The stirlands revenge also have armour piercing missles
Was just about to comment this lol. Yeah definitely better and not just slightly better
Just came here for comment the same thing but you got me in this
Yeah they are far far superior not slightly superior
yes it is the best ROR of all. i have use then in every tournament. All time over ther cost
and The swamp things have poison attacks. He also didn't mention that
Not sure if it actually makes a big difference in campaign though...one unit with more ap is nice, but with limited range and if its just one unit, it doesnt necessarily change that much.
U dont need to activate the the grumbling guard ability btw, its a passive ability that occur every ~25s
Sounds like a fairly long time for grumbling to not being going on.
@@ryanmaris1917 it just takes them 25 seconds to find something new to grumble about
@@ryanmaris1917 the abylity alone let's you keep an entire chunk of your army fighting at the rate the enemy will be at when they get to your lines
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You missed that the Black Lions can hide. That alone in my books makes it hit top tier. A hiding, relatively mobile siege attacker that can be recruited when needed. The fact it's a hellblaster is just a minor bonus after that.
While I know all RoR get the same instant recruitment, I do think its worth mentioning when the regular version is particularly hard to recruit. Units like the Claw of Nagash or The Big Un are getting a much bigger benifit from instant recruitment than The TIthe or Deathjacks.
I think the debate here is wether you should hire them permanently into your main army(ies) or keep them as an "emergency unit" to buff up the defence of a soon-to-be-besieged settlement... So instant-recruit is already part of the equation as if you perma-recruit them they relpace one of their OG.
I think using twwstats could help for this kinda video, because all the hidden stats like AOE attacks are listed there and the unit information is, in general, a bit nicer for comparison imo.
yeah, twwstats would be amazing for comparison like this
i want an avalanche mortars rank , it' s just for them
The format is defo good. Especially to decide wether to keep a regiment active in your armies or for emergency recruitments.
For these examples there's maybe a handful you'd want to keep around at all times.
Really interested to see if there's a race which has more than one unit at the very top.
Maybe High Elves or Dark Elves
Skaven have 2 that come to mind. Avalanche mortars (obviously, the most op RoR unit) and i believe a stormvermin version that can summon decoy units
@@orseonovakovic8521 it's Eshin Triads
@@orseonovakovic8521 it's the Esh9n triads that summons decoys but the stromvermin RoR is unbreakable which compensates one of their main weakness
I like the format, but I kept getting the feeling he was judging the RoR version on wether it was a good unit, not whether it was better than its original. Good case in point is the 8peek loonies. Sure, they're still goblins but them being unbreakable maes them WAY better than bog standard goblins. Same goes for rusty arrows
This is a really good video. Instead of using them as emergencies, so many people use these in regular armies to spice things up.
A fair amount of the value in RoR is that you can recruit at max XP, very useful to pad out a fresh army or early campaign.
This is a great video. Learned a few things about stats that I had honestly never thought about before, such as melee stats for hunters from the Empire hurting you due to balance of power. Honestly makes sense, just had never thought of that until now.
Legend this video seems like a really difficult one to make, there is so much nuance that can be had in one-off units. Instead of just assessing what perks upgrade a unit most, there could be more interesting discussion on their added strategic value compared to the additional tactical strengths they have.
The context of ease of recruitment (RoR with high recruit time or inconvenient recruitment buildings is worth more than a commonly recruited unit that has easy rank ups) feels like an important factor to consider. Some units function best as a one-off instead of a doomstack, instead of building a whole chain, the convenience is of much great value than others. Mortis Engine is really high tier and you don't really need to spam it, so having one on call is great.
Another criterion could be any single RoR that adds such a tactical option as to be worth keeping all the time or against a particular faction. The Rogue Idol is such an example, being an exceptional artillery monster that GS otherwise don't have, whereas Teef Robbers, being bad units to begin with, go to the baseline of emergency unit that would otherwise never see the light of day.
good assessment
This is just meant to be a more straightforward assessment of their abilities vs their standard counterparts and it's already nearly an hour long for just the WH1 races. Doing what you suggest WOULD be interesting, but trying to do it with even jsut 50 RoR units would probably end up with a 20+ hour long video with comments starting off with "But Legend! What about....." and never ending. Again, not that your thoughts don't have merit, but it would require a deep dive into either a single race's RoR, or even a deep look into specific RoR. Might be something to bring up to him in a livestream as an Idea.
@@Wyrmvonsturm oh totally, which is why i thought tier list for RoR is a difficult video to make. I felt like after the Empire RoRs, Legend sounded like he was losing interest in making the video (or it could just be that GS RoRs are just so uninteresting other than Rogue Idol)
you absolute magnificent dude. Thanks for actually pulling through with it!
Especially with missile units they get much higher accuracy when leveling up, the RoR missile units thus have instant max accuracy compared to the regular ones.
Sadly this is not represented in the stats, Zerkovich made a video about that. Would be helpful to have proper info on that.
Been looking forward to this for a while! Keep up the great work Legend!
From a campaign perspective the Ekrund Miners have a massive advantage via Auto-resolve.
AI values satchel charges and these guys really highly.
Format was great and this idea of a tier list is a+, one thing that would be cool is briefly going over any of the niche uses some of them might have or that you have found for them personally in your journeys. I think just rating them compared to their base unit is good since nobody usually really cares about price when it comes to these imo.
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very cool! wasn't expecting this video at all so this is a nice surprise
Looking forward to the next pack of regiments, this analysis is very interesting to me
Been looking forward to you ranking these
I like this format. Its fun and helpful.
Thanks mate!
Best part of RoRs is INSTANT RECRUITMENT ...
The best "special unit" is the elector count mortar unit, because they have "no friendly fire", which is perfect for firing into the melee defense line.
Do note that this is only the blast radius. The projectile itself does have friendly fire
Love the format, thank you!
I've found armor sundering to be extremely useful when fighting enemy lords and heroes, attack them with a sundering unit that reduces their armour, and have your own hero or lord fight the enemy lord inside the block of armour sundering infantry.
Tierlists for the tierlist god!!
Stirland revenge have ap missiles compared to other free company. That's a pretty big difference.
I enjoyed this and thought it was helpful. I'm interested in seeing your thoughts on the rest. Thanks Legend
I remembered asking this in one of the tier list comments. Glad this made.
Would love to see a unique units tier list, with things like the Elector count state troops.
Enjoyed this format!
"I've been wearing Manscaped underwear for over a year" - You should probably switch them for a fresh pair by now Ledge.
Nice work again with that list!
Really enjoyed the bits on vampire counts!
THIS is the tier list I have been waiting for!!!
Can you do tier list videos of the best landmark buildings for each race? That sounds pretty cool.
Haven't played Warhammer in months, but you make such great videos regardless of my current interest in the game. Love the content Legend, hoping to greener pastures ahead for you when IE comes out.
Great vid, defo want the others please👍
You should do a landmark tier list next. I don't how many they are but if there a a lot maybe you could do per each faction.
No way ,literally yesterday I searched whether you made a regiments of renown tierlist
I really love this idea! Excited to see more :D
I think its a good format; works well like the other tier lists you have done. Maybe you could add something at the end about what surprised you with certain units i.e. which ones you thought were better or worse. For example, you went into the VC thinking their units were going to be relatively meh given that they havent had much of an update since WH1 but you did seem genuinely surprised that the Tithe (zombies) were better than you thought.
Seems like a good format! The only thing I might add would be for any given RoR: Should you recruit this early or save it for when you need fast recruiting in a pinch?
Before 2:17 you had the bottom 2 rows text switched.
I usually wouldn't notice this sort of thing, but this time I did! and I didn't see any other comments mentioning it.
Its not really a huge difference, but the river troll hag ROR does have poison attacks as well.
You didn't comment on it as far as I saw but stirlands revenge having armour piercing bullets while regular free company don't can be big
yeah and also +4 in weapon strength (dunno if thats due relode time or actual dmg)
Yay!! My birthday RoR Tier List, thanks! :D
I love this, great job!
Great video, useful, love it! BUT the units for now imminent IE have already been changed, like speed for Reiksguard (75 speed now from 66) and War wagons (50 from 35ish?), ethereal changes (-phys res 25% to 50% + 25% hp pool). Most likely this will drastically impact RoR units and even counterparts, do you plan to just fill the void now with some informative videos on the topic like this one for other races and then update where necessary after the changes are live (not just announced)?
For auto resolve - vanguard deployment always troubles me... some units are massacred because of it.
Otherwise poison for Hags make them at least the same if not slightly better and as others mentioned the armor piercing / normal damage ratio changes to Empire RoR ranged units.
Format is great, seems thought through already on gradations. Maybe one more category for which units are good in emergency recruit, but I suppose it is somewhat answered in their positions in categories here. If it sucks compared to original unit and original unit is shit in emergency - not much to expect there, + other factors can strongly affect this emergency scenario drastically, sometimes just +1-3 units makes a difference, sometimes a second army will not help.
I think one more thing about Helblaster version of War Wagon is that cannon itself better shooting angles since it resides on top of a wagon, compared to being just on a ground. I think it can even shoot over your troop heads, but cannot recall exactly.
Yes, they shoot over the heads of infantry. You don’t have to open a gap for it to shoot.
i hope we get more videos like this - i'm looking forward to Bretonia and the Dark Elves
Fantastic, thanks Legend
I like the format ^^
5:40 you have a slight misconception here. yes, higher stats are more valued in auto resolve. but in the manual fight, stats of a unit dont matter for the army loss. that its the gold value of the unit. and as you can see: standard huntsman are considerd 29 gold more worth than their RR. that means losing the standard huntsman of that experiance would hurt your balance of power slightly more.
10:25 you forgot the armour piercing part. That is also quite the upgrade against the right opponnents.
43:25 they also have poison.
Hey legend, could you make tier lists for landmarks ?
Also some kind of tier list/comparison of certain types of units would be nice. For example tier list for all artillery, or melee monsters etc...
I'd say chilling aura on the Mortis engine can also help prevent cavalry which charge near it from being able to wheel around and get out. Making the Vampire Counts blobs or pile on even stronger. Same thing for trapping enemy heroes or lords. Having less speed, (in so far as I know) means the unit struggles to push entities out of the way with less acceleration. Probably also, though not of great importance, that speed may be enough to apply faster and stronger enemies nearby onto most infantry or on foot small size single entities. Making them break a little sooner. While not as valuable as the Chillgheists, I think it is still very valuable.
Thoughts?
My computer can't handle WH2 anymore and I still love listening to Legend talk and analyze the game and units like this. 10/10
I like this format. So I’d imagine that next you’ll do regiments of renown tier lists for the Warhammer 2 base races, then the DLC races of 1 and 2, and then the Warhammer 3 races, right?
i will say the dwarf's dragonfire warrior's fire attacks do get better with runsmiths giving weakness to fire to near by units
Great video!
You know, I've always felt like the Moon Howlerz should get anti-large, which would kind of bring them in line with other RoR hound units like the Dire Pack and the Beasts of Tashnar. Particularily, since their combat stats are a bit shit and fear really isn't super helpful for a unit that will not stay in melee for long.
This is a great format for it. 1 more video on Brets, Norsca etc. For Wh2... well, since its only Vcoast and TK new faction, maybe put one base race with them. Like Skaven, who have Ikit's special units, too. If you wanna mention campaign exclusive 'green' units. That equals 4 videos altogether. (Not sure you wanna do one for WH3, probably not yet haha)
Great idea for a tier list!
It is a very nice walkthrough of all regiments of renown. Thank you for that! But the rating is very subjective, I think that some extra abilities of the units you massively undervalue. No single unit can chance the campaign but it can have an impact in battle. But for me the crucial is the actual comparison with the original unit from the roster. And in that case some regiments are simply way better. Example: luminark. Extra free spell coming with a unit. How many units bring such a benefit to the table?
Loved this one
Dragonback slayers also work really well with the banner which imbues flaming attacks and +6% weaponstrength
As for the goblobber: triple rune of discouragement and a flamethrower +goblobber makes breaking enemies fun
you missed Striland's revenge missiles being armour piercing while regular ones have almost no ability to pierce armour. Far superior to original because of that IMO.
I hope when you do High Elves you include Imriks dragons. Gotta love dragons
I agree with basically the entire tier list, and outside of Stirland's Revenge that other comments already mentioned, I wanted to add that the Broken Tusk Mob suffer a lot from power creep. Boar Boys and Boar Boy Big'Uns used to have WAY lower Armour values (about 55 for the big'uns) and the upgrade the ROR used to have was having actually high Armour (90 iirc vs the base 55). Now they just have +15 Armour, which is such a non-upgrade they need some form of buff/ability to be notable from the regular unit they are supposed to outshine.
Hey Legend
Appreciate the video as always
Just as a question: There is much new content given for Immortal Empires from the starting locations up to the new mechanics for some races and the confederation-thing. Do you plan to adress any of it before the release?
He doesn't, he's getting asked that constantly in stream chat and the only answer he will give is he doesn't care about any of it and time will tell if IE will be good enough for him to cover it
I don't know if you have this planned, and I think you might have done this for some of them, but have you planned on similar videos for special units like Elector Count units?
I liked it a lot. I would prefer every race to have its own video or at least have timestamps when a new race begins
Honestly feel like a lot of the old RORs deserve some love by CA just a little reajustment will do to make them feel special
The Black Lions (The Hellblaster Volley Guns on War Wagons) are also higher than the standard Hellblaster Volley Guns. In some situations it can make it easier to shoot above your own troops.
I'd be great to see this redone when IE is out and the changes are live, because a considerable number of things are changing. FIRE damage will be invaluable against Vamps and tomb kings because of healing being %based on things like mortis engines, corpse carts with lodestone, and the tomb kings' faction effect in battles being cyclical.
Likewise, dragons and knights got faster and pack more mass.
Hey Legend, at the end can you give your opinion on the overall best (biggest improvement, and overall best unit) across the whole roster? My guess is Avalanche Morters.
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You forgot with the wolfriders: most units in the game have armor (not alot, but they have it), so an armour-piercing unit will deal out damage more against most units.
Format is good, as someone wrote, maybe some more focus on the case if we should keep it in armies or just as an emergency :) Best regards
Liking the format i wanna see how much (if at all) things have progressed/powercrept as the newer stuff comes up (as we sorta already did with the Rogue idol RoR being great and its relatively new compared to most of the others)
Also the river troll RoR had poison attack and the original didnt and it looked like u missed that lol.
I would value Stirlands Revenge Higher, and I would definitely add the Templehof Luminarc to S tier. A free Net of Amentoch is just way to good to pass up, especially in an army that has a Fire or Life Wizard and lacks a light wizard.
Of course another video involving Dwarves has a Manscaped ad. Legend is just building up those grudges.
Loved it!
That's a nice summarise, but hopefully you do bretonnia, my favourite race
Thanks for the video
More tier lists, yay! New world RoR next?? 😃
This is extremely useful
If you do the rest, will you add the top bar ones to the next list? To get a good cross reference perspective?
Hammer of Witches also has physical resist which might be helpful at times