He also states this... "I've been responsible for creation for a long time. I'm good at it without really having a clue, I never went to design school. But I grew up with the products and I have a strength in that. Why? I don't know, it's always been easy for me to have ideas and go into the details." HE DESIGNED IT WITHOUT ANY FORMAL DESIGN TRAINING. OF COURSE IT'S GONNA BE CRAP.
What a coincidence that i have been searching for the last couple of days the options for my next dress watch purchase and here you come up with this , i have narrowed down my choices between Patek and A Lange but after seeing your video this guy actually closed the case for me , i am going A Lange , for me it's game over , they are now in my black list which currently includes Rolex .
A Lange is the ultimate stealth wealth watch. It’ll blow people in the know out of their minds plus it’s much safer to wear it around Europe or California!
As an owner of a patek 5296g I’ve never aspired to own a nautilus or an aquanaut so I’m not going to lose sleep of the collaboration with bell and Ross 😂😂
Clear example of lack of legacy planning. I do wonder what the Patek owners think though, is it likely they will agree and dismiss the views of the watch community or not even be aware? Probably.
Lol. I don't care for the brand myself, but the kind of folk who might boycott PP would never have been able to afford one anyway. I'm sure PP will carry on just fine without the noisy woke idiots.
This has probably now been debunked, but Henry Ford is often quoted as saying, if I’d listened to the customers, they’d have said they wanted faster horses…. Time will tell if the Cubitus becomes as iconic as the Nautilus, I suspect very much that it will (as has the baby brother Aquanaut!).
Just watched this with THE WATCH PAPI! And you said it perfectly! Gah it's so tricky!!! I rreally see both sides of it! BUT I LOVE JORGE, AND I LOVE THIS CHANNEL!
yeah unfortunately there's no evidence Henry Ford said that 😅 but whilst I get why you're using that quote, it refers to consumers not knowing enough to know they want a huge and generational leap and just want an iterative change, if anything I think the inverse is true for the Cubitus, we wanted a generational leap and what we got was barely iterative, just a new case. I don't hate how it looks I just find it very disappointing, but I think that you're right to say it'll likely become a classic, and the Aquanaut is a perfect example based off its release.
@@rick_radley thank you. One of the easiest videos to record in a while. We never use scripts, it's all just straight from the heart and this has me really angry. I hope someone at Patek sees this, sincerely
And that's why I moved to lange and vacheron. Yes they're owned by richemont, but at least the people who works for those brands are very nice and civil. I got a lange 1 and the vacheron overseas with the only waiting time being the brands assembling and testing the watches.
I gotta say, I think I am in the minority with this one but I feel like I don't care as much as other people. Ferrari is an interesting comparison as they pretty famously don't listen to customers or criticism and have a very similar outlook to Thierry. It's actually one of the most endearing things about Ferrari: An instagram/Twitter mob of people (who can't really afford Ferrari's) isn't going to make Ferrari flinch. Nor should it make Patek. This is going to be a flash in the pan for them. I am not sure if Patek should listen to their customers on design. They employ world class designers to do that. Why would they listen to Joe the Project Manager or Jorge the UA-camr and retail worker with design? Listen to the professional designers you have on staff. Listen to tastemakers! Was what he said arrogant? Yes. But I really wouldn't let it upset me as much as it has upset you. Of course CEO's and Presidents of Companies are out of touch lol. I really wouldn't let it upset me that much. The golden rule of watch collecting: Collect what you love. It is fine, you don't like this as you are not the target demographic. It was arrogant but it's not a big deal. I love Patek, I own Patek; I do not want a Cubitus but I will continue to be a customer. It's not a big deal. If it changes your mind on Patek that's fine. It's nothing serious. I would reserve this level of anger and contempt for real issues. This is nothing serious. "Luxury watch president is a snob" Not exactly a headline.
Only trouble is he claims it’s all his own work so I think if I was a member of his design team I’d be very pissed right now.. Unless you didnt want to be associated with it in which case they might want to distance themselves. From what I have read it seems like me, me, me..
Agree 100%. Also, I can wager that most of these people that are hating now would jump on the chance to actually get to buy one from the AD if they got the opportunity and had the funds haha.
@@marktime61 So? The CEO is rich, selling expensive stuff to other rich people. They’re all arrogant and narcissistic. And of course the CEO will take credit for the work, he hired the people and bought all the equipment, marketing etc etc. I don’t understand why people are acting like there is something outrageous that has happened.
Ah, so Patek have adopted the Disney method; make something similar to something good you made before, but half-ass it & make it controversial, then shit on the fans for acting appropriately. A winning formula. 👍
But will people buy the Cubitus? Likely, yes. But after a while, the Cubitus will be dumped on the used market for cheap, because that watch is the badge of a weak idiot. The same might also be said of anyone buying into the Swiss watch nonsense. The magic is gone.
He’s out of line, but he’s not wrong. I preferred Patek when they flew under the radar. Rolex was for the nouveau riche. Old money bought Patek. Now 99% of the people who complain about the brand are just people on the sideline who don’t own a Patek and probably never will. The irony of all this, his comments have made a bigger impact than his new toy. Maybe that was his ploy all along 🤔
It’s a private company, the owner says what he wants, don’t buy if you are so offended or hate the watch. The watch will go way over market and the haters will cry 😢
Yes, because there are so many people without style and class in the US or Russia or Arabs just like you. And yes I do have 4 Pateks and I will never buy a pat(h)etic Cubicus or what this ridiculous watch is named,,,
@@thilog5874 you can hate the watch and its name - that’s your right. Also respect that the CEO has his rights too to speak his mind, make a rectangle watch if he wants. His money, his company, and he says shove it 😂
You’re right, and that’s the problem. Smooth brained Patek fan boys will pay 3 times retail for this absolute fail. If true watch collectors treated this watch like the piece trash that it is and left it in the display window, patek executives might not speak this way, and their watches may actually become better, available and affordable. Wouldn’t want that, would we….
Great video! I totally agree. I can afford a Patek, but will be going in a different direction, only because of this interview. The watch world does not lack alternatives to PF.
As a collector with many ad purchase there is definitely a lot of truth to his statement. I like the cubitus more than anyone who has criticized it online.
And fair enough! I applaud people who like the watch! That's great! But the point of this particular video is why his dismissal of the criticism is bad
The most expensive homage I've ever seen. They just took an existing movement and stuck it into a Cartier Santos copied case. They didn't even bother to modify the movement to fit the huge case. The micro rotor looks out of place on such massive real estate
I’ve owned two Calatravas and the company’s been going in the wrong direction for three last twenty years. It started with them phoning it in, sizing the watches too large yet keeping the same movements (cal 215) then released the stupid Khakitrava, and now, it’s culminated with the dull afterthought of a watch that looks like it was designed by Locutus of Borg. Even the name is ridiculous.
You’re only as good as your next sale. When a brand looses sight of this they are on their way to loosing their status, customer base and market share.
Jorge I agree 100% with your sentiments, and I know you’re from this industry, but we can cloud the joy of our hobby by trying to dissect the Patek anomaly, and trying to rationalise the super-rich. Yes, the arrogance is frustrating, but there is so much else to love in the more affordable heritage brands, the emerging brands, the micro brands, even China is starting to bring exotic heritage and fine finishing to watchmaking. Chin up brother
“I don’t work with external designers either. We’ve done that, but it never worked.” “In this segment we have the Nautilus and the Aquanaut. Both are our designs” And here I thought that the Nautilus was a Genta design! But of course, it was all Stern! How could I be so stupid to imagine anything else!
Wow, did you ever over egg what he said in that interview. 'We all get shot when we launch a novelty. The Haters are for the most part people who never had a Patek and never will have one. So that doesn't make me sad. What matters to me is the result.'
We need to keep Thierry's comment in perspective. If Thierry earned his position exactly the same way as Canadian Prime Minster Justin Trudeau, then we should understand that both men bypassed many experiences, & learn something, in order be sound decision makers. Thierry is just another example of what results through nepotism.
The true Patek customers are are educated, cultivated old money people. This is for what the brand stands for. Not for internet kids, rappers or youtube guys with piercings on their noses.
@@overandzone you should consider that not everybody on earth lives in the US or UK. A couple grammar mistakes are nothing bad if you speak far more than 1 language.
@@WatchYourselfJorge My friend, I didn`t insult you. I just told the truth. 99,9999% of people who talk about Patek are not Patek customers and never will be. Patek is the equivalent of a BRIONI satorial suit with the highest quality materials. Patek is not a manufacturer who want that social media influenced idiots combine a Nautilus with tasteless street fashion. Thats not the brand. Patek ist the epitome of success in life, reflected in appearance and spirit. You guys just don`t get it. Even if you would buy a Patek for alot of money, you wouldn`t wear the watch. The watch would wear you. And thats the most important thing about that topic. You have to achieve HUGE things in life, that the Patek can accompany you silently.
His father and grandfather would not have had made such a foolish statement. Constructive criticisms are always welcome in any profit-centered company. Better to hand over the helm to a more capable person, not thru' inheritance. He failed miserably in every respect and would not bode well for Patek.
Don't see Patek going bankrupt any time soon. The Stern family has "only" been running the business since 1932! P.S. The CEO of Patek is Mr. Laurent Bernasconi. You don't seem very well informed.
@WatchYourselfJorge well, if I have the cash and had to buy a watch on the same price range as PP, I'd probably buy FP journe or Biver, at least they have good design sense. Otherwise I'd probably buy independents that has innovation that doesn't have the hyped prices, like ming watch, horage or speake marin. If it's more main brand watches, tudor, longines, zenith and federique constant are producing some solid watches these past few years. Can buy quite a few of those for the same price as the cubitus already 😆
It’s all quite funny really, Patek is the number one watch manufacturer, they won’t care what you tubers think, let’s face it only the top Patek customers will get the chance to buy this watch , personally I like the watch
Yeah they don't care what any of us think. Absolutely. But that doesn't make what he said correct. Opinions of the watch aside, this is entirely the wrong view to take on criticism
Your quote of what he said was not what you then said he said. Saying the haters are not ever going to buy a Patek is not the same as saying people who are never going to buy one opinions do not count. Your analogy with the little kids and Ferrari is completely different because the little kids are not haters. Haters are a big problem and this guy has basically just called them out. Haters and people who just do not want/like something are completely different . Haters make sh!t up, but at most the people who do not want/like something can only be wrong or in denial.
You hit the nail on the head with the “yes men” comment. I also want to contrast his statement with the Rolex president a few months ago. Rolex attacked other brands and called them “pirates” now I think that’s a BS statement but as a consumer I wasn’t angry. These patek comments are pretty much directed at me. I’m the guy he was talking about. I don’t like the watch and I’ll never own a 5 figure watch past 20k (I still have hopes of someday owning a Daytona). But I had always put patek in a grouping of “if I win 200 million then I’m buying their top watches” which doesn’t add to patek bottom line.. but it adds to the mystique… but now.. now I have good reason to slam the brand, to mock any ambassadors, and to question the leadership. Also, talking about Rolex, everyone says they will be pushing to make high end watches and challenge the perception of the holy trinity… it’s going to be much easier with one shooting itself in the foot. I thought VC would be the clear one that would be downgraded, and they still need to improve, but lots of hate is going to be coming for patek over the holiday season and anyone trying to defend them to the general market is going to be slammed. In fact I’m about to go comment on other tubers that were less harsh… call them out for these comments and see how they respond. Troll gotta troll.
The fundamental fallacy that I observe from those that say "well, he is right isn't he?" is that it completely misses that point that the truthfulness of his statements aren't what is at issue. This type of shortsighted arrogance disenfranchises watch enthusiasts (who may never own a Patek) but also future potential owners who may now perceive the brand in an odiously negative way. The fact of the matter is that Patek could have released a failed line and still retained much of their brand legacy and reputation. Yes, this new line will sell for multitudes of times its asking price - at least for a while. While Mr Stern may not care what I or others think; he and his company may ultimately care that once potential buyers like myself will look elsewhere as I would not want something on my wrist that represents such an exclusionary brand that peers disdainfully at those that don't agree with their decisions. Being able to afford a Patek Philippe as I can is not the measure by which we respect the opinions of those that uplift this market
What he said is true. And the watch is a beauty. Most haters are using wrong analysis. Patek made the nautilus, and now they launch a square one. It’s a homage of their own watch. It’s like Rolex making small changes on a case. Small changes on a dial and calling it an explorer instead of a OP. It’s the same. People think they can talk so aggressively and poisonous about a brand and now they cry because he said a truth.
They did have some help with that though…. Something they’re conveniently forgetting now (if the translation is catching TS’ context, I suspect he meant external designers didn’t work in the context of this design, not all designs).
@@WatchYourselfJorge he’s (maybe) a lot smarter than everyone is giving him credit for…. The amount of free publicity he’s getting out of this is incredible.
Day 1: “we have designed something for customers in the lower price bracket, we should be servicing all customers” Day 2: “yeah we don’t want you povvos anyway” Righttttttt
To be honest, after reading the German original, a lot of the detail of the interview was lost in the English translation, he does not sound one bit as arrogant as he does in the translation. He’s not humble, but nothing more than confident. He just said that most of the people critiquing the cubitus never have owned a Patek and probably never will. Which I think is a fair statement.
It is very arrogant to say you can't have an opinion if you can't afford something. I can't afford a Damien Hirst but that doesn't mean I can't critique it.
@@overandzone as I understood it, it was more a comment on the target demographic of this watch, more as to say, the people critiquing are not the typical patek customers. More as to say, the people in the market to buy a patek like it. But it is still a matter of interpretation. Which would be more fitting of the general undertone of the interview
Not everyone are as narrow minded as you are, not everyone sees the world as black OR white like you do, there are plenty of people who like 2 "competing" brands, i can like Intel & AMD at the same time, i can like Ferrari & McLaren at the same time etc etc, the list goes on. If you don't understand that the CEO is shitting at potential future customers then you have severely missed the point
@@Jeppelellehe’s not really “shitting on” anyone though is he? He’s just saying he doesn’t take much stock of memes etc and stands behind his design, the validity of his stance will pan out in the fullness of time.
@WatchYourselfJorge Damaging for whom?! All the common people who can't afford to buy a Patek anyway? It's a false problem, but good to stir up irrelevant controversy and get some extra views on UA-cam I presume.
@@terrificlion2328 because I can’t afford something I don’t have the right to critique it? If that was the case, know one would have opinions on any art throughout history.
He also states this... "I've been responsible for creation for a long time. I'm good at it without really having a clue, I never went to design school. But I grew up with the products and I have a strength in that. Why? I don't know, it's always been easy for me to have ideas and go into the details." HE DESIGNED IT WITHOUT ANY FORMAL DESIGN TRAINING. OF COURSE IT'S GONNA BE CRAP.
I do not get why you feel you need formal design training to design anything.
Especially a watch.
You're talking bullshit. What do YOU know about watches.
You sound like one of those offended little boys.
"Haters" said the same things about the Nautilus in 1976. Lol.
@@bolgerguide I think you'll find the nautilus was a requested design simply because of the amazing reception to the royal oak.
@@bolgerguide I'm not sure Haters existed in 1976 🤔
"My papa always said, life is like a box of watches; if you don't own one, you probably never will."
I got a laugh out of that
Remember when Patek was the cool silent type....
Now it feels like the obnoxious Abercrombie CEO type of vibe „abercrombie is only for the non fat and non ugly people the rest fuck off“ 😂
And they still can be, but not with brash outspoken leadership
absolutely unsurprising that a filthy rich ceo would say this. I would rather buy 40 watches than a patek
Id still love a Patek one day but this would CERTAINLY make me pause for thought
40 seiko 5's let's goooooo
What a coincidence that i have been searching for the last couple of days the options for my next dress watch purchase and here you come up with this , i have narrowed down my choices between Patek and A Lange but after seeing your video this guy actually closed the case for me , i am going A Lange , for me it's game over , they are now in my black list which currently includes Rolex .
Wow! That's huge that I had impact on your buying decision! Genuinely insane!
A Lange is the ultimate stealth wealth watch. It’ll blow people in the know out of their minds plus it’s much safer to wear it around Europe or California!
Reading people typing to justify his comments on insta has been quite hilarious. You CANNOT justify this!!!
@@Bill-oh honestly agreed. Even though he's not wrong and they'll sell the watches regardless, the snobbery being this overt can only be a bad thing
As an owner of a patek 5296g I’ve never aspired to own a nautilus or an aquanaut so I’m not going to lose sleep of the collaboration with bell and Ross 😂😂
Pathetic Philippe! Stern exposed himself as an incompetent clown. He knows the entire watch industry is clowning him right now. 😂🤦♂️🤡
Clear example of lack of legacy planning. I do wonder what the Patek owners think though, is it likely they will agree and dismiss the views of the watch community or not even be aware? Probably.
No, don’t agree.
@@watchpapi love to hear your thoughts, genuinely. 👍
He will go down in history as the man who destroyed Patek. Boycott PP for their shitty corporate behaviour.
Lol. I don't care for the brand myself, but the kind of folk who might boycott PP would never have been able to afford one anyway. I'm sure PP will carry on just fine without the noisy woke idiots.
It's bad business to go out and offend your customers, even if they are only "potential" customers.
Obviously he's so rich and smart he knows more then we do. I'm sure he has some magical angle we haven't considered
without Genta they would be another Breguet or Vacheron
honestly yeah. but Vacheron has the overseas though!
@@WatchYourselfJorge yeah a watch that traded above retail for 2 months
This has probably now been debunked, but Henry Ford is often quoted as saying, if I’d listened to the customers, they’d have said they wanted faster horses…. Time will tell if the Cubitus becomes as iconic as the Nautilus, I suspect very much that it will (as has the baby brother Aquanaut!).
Just watched this with THE WATCH PAPI! And you said it perfectly! Gah it's so tricky!!! I rreally see both sides of it! BUT I LOVE JORGE, AND I LOVE THIS CHANNEL!
Maybe if they redesigned it in a reasonable size and dramatically reduced the price, otherwise why would you want to buy this above the nautilus?
@@Robert-vw3od they have said it is coming out in other sizes (though that part of the interview seems to have been somewhat overlooked).
@@Robert-vw3od nobody wanted the Nautilus 15 years ago, they were selling them with huge discounts.
yeah unfortunately there's no evidence Henry Ford said that 😅 but whilst I get why you're using that quote, it refers to consumers not knowing enough to know they want a huge and generational leap and just want an iterative change, if anything I think the inverse is true for the Cubitus, we wanted a generational leap and what we got was barely iterative, just a new case. I don't hate how it looks I just find it very disappointing, but I think that you're right to say it'll likely become a classic, and the Aquanaut is a perfect example based off its release.
Have you seen that Mark Wahlberg clip on his Instagram? I hate to say it but it actually looks really good on him🙈
Nicely said, I agree with your points.
@@rick_radley thank you. One of the easiest videos to record in a while. We never use scripts, it's all just straight from the heart and this has me really angry. I hope someone at Patek sees this, sincerely
And that's why I moved to lange and vacheron. Yes they're owned by richemont, but at least the people who works for those brands are very nice and civil. I got a lange 1 and the vacheron overseas with the only waiting time being the brands assembling and testing the watches.
I gotta say, I think I am in the minority with this one but I feel like I don't care as much as other people. Ferrari is an interesting comparison as they pretty famously don't listen to customers or criticism and have a very similar outlook to Thierry. It's actually one of the most endearing things about Ferrari: An instagram/Twitter mob of people (who can't really afford Ferrari's) isn't going to make Ferrari flinch. Nor should it make Patek. This is going to be a flash in the pan for them.
I am not sure if Patek should listen to their customers on design. They employ world class designers to do that. Why would they listen to Joe the Project Manager or Jorge the UA-camr and retail worker with design? Listen to the professional designers you have on staff. Listen to tastemakers! Was what he said arrogant? Yes. But I really wouldn't let it upset me as much as it has upset you. Of course CEO's and Presidents of Companies are out of touch lol. I really wouldn't let it upset me that much. The golden rule of watch collecting: Collect what you love. It is fine, you don't like this as you are not the target demographic.
It was arrogant but it's not a big deal. I love Patek, I own Patek; I do not want a Cubitus but I will continue to be a customer. It's not a big deal. If it changes your mind on Patek that's fine. It's nothing serious. I would reserve this level of anger and contempt for real issues. This is nothing serious. "Luxury watch president is a snob" Not exactly a headline.
Well said. If you like it, try and buy it. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it.
Only trouble is he claims it’s all his own work so I think if I was a member of his design team I’d be very pissed right now.. Unless you didnt want to be associated with it in which case they might want to distance themselves. From what I have read it seems like me, me, me..
Agree 100%. Also, I can wager that most of these people that are hating now would jump on the chance to actually get to buy one from the AD if they got the opportunity and had the funds haha.
@@Grinko18I think a bigger issue than the new collection is the reports of TS being very arrogant
@@marktime61 So? The CEO is rich, selling expensive stuff to other rich people. They’re all arrogant and narcissistic. And of course the CEO will take credit for the work, he hired the people and bought all the equipment, marketing etc etc. I don’t understand why people are acting like there is something outrageous that has happened.
Ah, so Patek have adopted the Disney method; make something similar to something good you made before, but half-ass it & make it controversial, then shit on the fans for acting appropriately. A winning formula. 👍
Honestly, the top Swiss brands overall, you're buying marketing and a logo over anything worth the actual cost you're paying. I'm tired of it
Yuk. Would never own one in a million years.
But will people buy the Cubitus? Likely, yes. But after a while, the Cubitus will be dumped on the used market for cheap, because that watch is the badge of a weak idiot. The same might also be said of anyone buying into the Swiss watch nonsense. The magic is gone.
He’s out of line, but he’s not wrong. I preferred Patek when they flew under the radar. Rolex was for the nouveau riche. Old money bought Patek. Now 99% of the people who complain about the brand are just people on the sideline who don’t own a Patek and probably never will. The irony of all this, his comments have made a bigger impact than his new toy. Maybe that was his ploy all along 🤔
It’s a private company, the owner says what he wants, don’t buy if you are so offended or hate the watch. The watch will go way over market and the haters will cry 😢
Unfortunately too many are
Yes, because there are so many people without style and class in the US or Russia or Arabs just like you.
And yes I do have 4 Pateks and I will never buy a pat(h)etic Cubicus or what this ridiculous watch is named,,,
@@thilog5874 you can hate the watch and its name - that’s your right. Also respect that the CEO has his rights too to speak his mind, make a rectangle watch if he wants. His money, his company, and he says shove it 😂
You’re right, and that’s the problem. Smooth brained Patek fan boys will pay 3 times retail for this absolute fail. If true watch collectors treated this watch like the piece trash that it is and left it in the display window, patek executives might not speak this way, and their watches may actually become better, available and affordable. Wouldn’t want that, would we….
Great video! I totally agree. I can afford a Patek, but will be going in a different direction, only because of this interview. The watch world does not lack alternatives to PF.
Glad you agree! He's not especially WRONG but voicing it in such a way is AWFUL
So I was having a dilemma about whether I should buy a Calitrava or a Vacheron. This has made my mind up. Vacheron all the way for me
As a collector with many ad purchase there is definitely a lot of truth to his statement. I like the cubitus more than anyone who has criticized it online.
And fair enough! I applaud people who like the watch! That's great! But the point of this particular video is why his dismissal of the criticism is bad
The most expensive homage I've ever seen. They just took an existing movement and stuck it into a Cartier Santos copied case. They didn't even bother to modify the movement to fit the huge case. The micro rotor looks out of place on such massive real estate
Yeah it's a shame because it has ALOT of potential I think
I’ve owned two Calatravas and the company’s been going in the wrong direction for three last twenty years. It started with them phoning it in, sizing the watches too large yet keeping the same movements (cal 215) then released the stupid Khakitrava, and now, it’s culminated with the dull afterthought of a watch that looks like it was designed by Locutus of Borg. Even the name is ridiculous.
Well done Jorge and Terry, nearly 2.3K subs!! Look how far you have come.
Thank you!!! Weird how far we've come in the small amount of time since I started at goldsmith's last year!
Thank you! You were one of our original subscribers!
Now all makes sense, of course someone without any formal training would design this plus be all smug about it.
You’re only as good as your next sale. When a brand looses sight of this they are on their way to loosing their status, customer base and market share.
Jorge I agree 100% with your sentiments, and I know you’re from this industry, but we can cloud the joy of our hobby by trying to dissect the Patek anomaly, and trying to rationalise the super-rich. Yes, the arrogance is frustrating, but there is so much else to love in the more affordable heritage brands, the emerging brands, the micro brands, even China is starting to bring exotic heritage and fine finishing to watchmaking. Chin up brother
Thank you for the kind words. I love this hobby! Its just heartening for someone to take fair criticism and take it SO badly and with utter arrogance
“I don’t work with external designers either. We’ve done that, but it never worked.”
“In this segment we have the Nautilus and the Aquanaut. Both are our designs”
And here I thought that the Nautilus was a Genta design! But of course, it was all Stern! How could I be so stupid to imagine anything else!
"The smaller the mind the greater the conceit". Aesop
Not a good look for PP
PP live in their own world ,not listen the other opinions, they will learn a lesson sooner or later,result will tells.
Wow, did you ever over egg what he said in that interview. 'We all get shot when we launch a novelty. The Haters are for the most part people who never had a Patek and never will have one. So that doesn't make me sad. What matters to me is the result.'
What a petulant, ignorant man this CEO is.
i find the chinese prices are somewhat more attractive . if i wanted a cartier id buy a cartier .
Very well said! Vacheron all day haha
People said they liked the design the boss made, they definitely wouldn’t lie, right? 😅
Can't see why they would? 🙃😉
I definitely don’t tell fibs when my boss does something that’s shit
Such bs, that company and person is a disgrace
Nothing wrong about Mr. Pateks statements. If you feel uncomfortable with his statement, doesn't mean you are right.
The statements weren't incorrect. But the sentiment behind them was. Simple as that
Well said!!
Thank you so much!
I’ll be honest. Thierry’s statement is an extremely spicy take especially since he looks like a meatball with a lazy eye and bad comb over.
T'is another Nautilus in disguise and it is tired.
We need to keep Thierry's comment in perspective. If Thierry earned his position exactly the same way as Canadian Prime Minster Justin Trudeau, then we should understand that both men bypassed many experiences, & learn something, in order be sound decision makers.
Thierry is just another example of what results through nepotism.
The truth hurts the haters 😂
The Calatrava is nice but the rest I don't like.
The calatrava is incredible! I do like alot of their catalogue! Even the aquanaut and many other models. But the Cubitus isn't it
Wouldn’t it be amazing to be born into a business like that.He hasn’t actually earned anything
I dont find this watch pretty but if the CEO is happy with it then be it but such arrogance is the opposite of a class act for a man in his position.
yeah hes so arrogant and alienating. ill be talking about this watch again a bit soon
I guess we're all peasans🤣🤣🤣🤣
sounds exactly what Ferrari would say, lol. but I'm with you 100%
Yeah they 100% would say that 🤣 but doesn't make it the right thing to say
The true Patek customers are are educated, cultivated old money people. This is for what the brand stands for. Not for internet kids, rappers or youtube guys with piercings on their noses.
You might want to check your grammar before insulting someone...
They always go for the piercing 🤣 such low hanging fruit. Insult my parents whilst you're at it!
@@overandzone you should consider that not everybody on earth lives in the US or UK. A couple grammar mistakes are nothing bad if you speak far more than 1 language.
@@WatchYourselfJorge My friend, I didn`t insult you. I just told the truth. 99,9999% of people who talk about Patek are not Patek customers and never will be. Patek is the equivalent of a BRIONI satorial suit with the highest quality materials. Patek is not a manufacturer who want that social media influenced idiots combine a Nautilus with tasteless street fashion. Thats not the brand. Patek ist the epitome of success in life, reflected in appearance and spirit. You guys just don`t get it. Even if you would buy a Patek for alot of money, you wouldn`t wear the watch. The watch would wear you. And thats the most important thing about that topic. You have to achieve HUGE things in life, that the Patek can accompany you silently.
Tbh, what he said is true; he should've kept it to himself. 😂
His father and grandfather would not have had made such a foolish statement. Constructive criticisms are always welcome in any profit-centered company. Better to hand over the helm to a more capable person, not thru' inheritance. He failed miserably in every respect and would not bode well for Patek.
Have you ever made a pallet fork, or ANY watch part? Even a screw can be a work of art if made by an artist.
I like the new watch
first Journe and now this. Its hard to admit but arrogance has always been the mistress of luxury
It has been saying the quiet bit out loud is pretty awful
This is what happens when you become CEO through pure nepotism and not because you’re actually a good business leader
Don't see Patek going bankrupt any time soon. The Stern family has "only" been running the business since 1932!
P.S. The CEO of Patek is Mr. Laurent Bernasconi. You don't seem very well informed.
Patek doesn’t care what people that can’t afford a timepiece say! You’re broke go get a Casio!
I'm literally wearing a Casio in the video 🤣 made that choice on purpose
Stern is the German word for Star, and Thierry is acting just like an over-entitled one! I have had three PPs and I hate the Cubitus!
Nepo baby! Bang on the money
That's why even if I have the cash I'm not gonna buy a PP, cos the new cubitis looks ugly as~ and it'll only get worse from this point forward 😂
What would you buy? Genuine question!
@WatchYourselfJorge well, if I have the cash and had to buy a watch on the same price range as PP, I'd probably buy FP journe or Biver, at least they have good design sense. Otherwise I'd probably buy independents that has innovation that doesn't have the hyped prices, like ming watch, horage or speake marin.
If it's more main brand watches, tudor, longines, zenith and federique constant are producing some solid watches these past few years. Can buy quite a few of those for the same price as the cubitus already 😆
I won't be throwing my incoming aquanaut in the bin.... i think the cubitus is cool looking.
I didn’t know Patek Philippe plans to overthrow Nixon Watch?! 😂
It’s all quite funny really, Patek is the number one watch manufacturer, they won’t care what you tubers think, let’s face it only the top Patek customers will get the chance to buy this watch , personally I like the watch
Yeah they don't care what any of us think. Absolutely. But that doesn't make what he said correct. Opinions of the watch aside, this is entirely the wrong view to take on criticism
He’d be a complete shit if he never inherited the most influential watch company. Dude just made homage of Maen watch and charging 50x
Your quote of what he said was not what you then said he said.
Saying the haters are not ever going to buy a Patek is not the same as saying people who are never going to buy one opinions do not count.
Your analogy with the little kids and Ferrari is completely different because the little kids are not haters.
Haters are a big problem and this guy has basically just called them out.
Haters and people who just do not want/like something are completely different .
Haters make sh!t up, but at most the people who do not want/like something can only be wrong or in denial.
I never will now!
You hit the nail on the head with the “yes men” comment. I also want to contrast his statement with the Rolex president a few months ago. Rolex attacked other brands and called them “pirates” now I think that’s a BS statement but as a consumer I wasn’t angry. These patek comments are pretty much directed at me. I’m the guy he was talking about. I don’t like the watch and I’ll never own a 5 figure watch past 20k (I still have hopes of someday owning a Daytona). But I had always put patek in a grouping of “if I win 200 million then I’m buying their top watches” which doesn’t add to patek bottom line.. but it adds to the mystique… but now.. now I have good reason to slam the brand, to mock any ambassadors, and to question the leadership. Also, talking about Rolex, everyone says they will be pushing to make high end watches and challenge the perception of the holy trinity… it’s going to be much easier with one shooting itself in the foot. I thought VC would be the clear one that would be downgraded, and they still need to improve, but lots of hate is going to be coming for patek over the holiday season and anyone trying to defend them to the general market is going to be slammed. In fact I’m about to go comment on other tubers that were less harsh… call them out for these comments and see how they respond. Troll gotta troll.
A lot of words to say nothing!
My guy you're spending alot of time replying to comments trying to prove my opinion doesn't matter. Is it possible... It matters to you? 👀
Oh no you don't like VC as much?? Blocked 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@terrificlion2328 ok… are you some CEO grandson come to defend Pappa?? Cuz you legit said nothing.
@@WatchYourselfJorge It's boring to debate with people who agree with you.
That's why I wear and collect Timex. It's the people's watch!
And so fun!
The Nautilis is a flipper watch (yes if you own one you have money but do you have class?)
Oooffff that isnt good😬
I wonder what, if any, consequences he'll receive
An hours PR training during his lunch break
@@TrevorTSmith 🤣 poverty sensitivity training
The fundamental fallacy that I observe from those that say "well, he is right isn't he?" is that it completely misses that point that the truthfulness of his statements aren't what is at issue. This type of shortsighted arrogance disenfranchises watch enthusiasts (who may never own a Patek) but also future potential owners who may now perceive the brand in an odiously negative way.
The fact of the matter is that Patek could have released a failed line and still retained much of their brand legacy and reputation. Yes, this new line will sell for multitudes of times its asking price - at least for a while.
While Mr Stern may not care what I or others think; he and his company may ultimately care that once potential buyers like myself will look elsewhere as I would not want something on my wrist that represents such an exclusionary brand that peers disdainfully at those that don't agree with their decisions.
Being able to afford a Patek Philippe as I can is not the measure by which we respect the opinions of those that uplift this market
My god you put it into words! Bravo!
Really disgusting thoughts. Anyone can became rich or poor. This company should be focused in people that likes watches, period.
Who cares, he’s actually right though
a lot of us care, precisely because he (the PP president) is wrong. and the arrogance is astounding.
He should not have said it but its true lol
Hahaha this rant was pure gold
The watch world gets crazier everyday 🤪
What he said is true. And the watch is a beauty. Most haters are using wrong analysis. Patek made the nautilus, and now they launch a square one. It’s a homage of their own watch. It’s like Rolex making small changes on a case. Small changes on a dial and calling it an explorer instead of a OP. It’s the same. People think they can talk so aggressively and poisonous about a brand and now they cry because he said a truth.
They did have some help with that though…. Something they’re conveniently forgetting now (if the translation is catching TS’ context, I suspect he meant external designers didn’t work in the context of this design, not all designs).
in all honestly he's left FAR too much room for interpretation which in itself is a huge mistake
@@WatchYourselfJorge he’s (maybe) a lot smarter than everyone is giving him credit for…. The amount of free publicity he’s getting out of this is incredible.
Day 1: “we have designed something for customers in the lower price bracket, we should be servicing all customers”
Day 2: “yeah we don’t want you povvos anyway”
Righttttttt
I can’t compete against Hublot - Thierry Stern
🤣 such a funny thing to say from him. At least he paid another brand respect
People are this passionate about men’s jewellery? I never knew. But interesting nonetheless.
We most certainly are 🤣 were a tiny UA-cam channel about watches. There's channels with millions!
He really got to you?!?!
He will never have a normal hairline
@@MikeRochac me or Thierry 🤣
@@WatchYourselfJorge Thierry “the bald douchebag” Stern
Ah perfect 🤣 agreed!
Its just a watch.
To be honest, after reading the German original, a lot of the detail of the interview was lost in the English translation, he does not sound one bit as arrogant as he does in the translation. He’s not humble, but nothing more than confident. He just said that most of the people critiquing the cubitus never have owned a Patek and probably never will. Which I think is a fair statement.
Underrated Comment
No joke
It is very arrogant to say you can't have an opinion if you can't afford something. I can't afford a Damien Hirst but that doesn't mean I can't critique it.
@@overandzone as I understood it, it was more a comment on the target demographic of this watch, more as to say, the people critiquing are not the typical patek customers. More as to say, the people in the market to buy a patek like it. But it is still a matter of interpretation. Which would be more fitting of the general undertone of the interview
it's not the watch... it's this man character! its tells us all about him. Karma will hit him soon. LOL
don't care.
Best watches right now Blancpain swatch and Omega swatch..... The rest are garbage and not of the times.
Taxi for Patek
I said this on a Patek post too. He’s just salty that people don’t like the new watch he designed to pay homage to the shape of his head
He’s in his own ultra rich world, detached from normal society
The size of his pedestal is incredible
He's rich and we're all poor
His right if you don't own a Patek watch you not a customer. If you a Android user you don't care what Apple is talk about
Exactly!
Not everyone are as narrow minded as you are, not everyone sees the world as black OR white like you do, there are plenty of people who like 2 "competing" brands, i can like Intel & AMD at the same time, i can like Ferrari & McLaren at the same time etc etc, the list goes on. If you don't understand that the CEO is shitting at potential future customers then you have severely missed the point
@@Jeppelellehe’s not really “shitting on” anyone though is he? He’s just saying he doesn’t take much stock of memes etc and stands behind his design, the validity of his stance will pan out in the fullness of time.
Very boring
Snobbery
Pure snobbery. And so damaging
Snobbery?! Just common sense and non of that political correctness sh...!
@WatchYourselfJorge
Damaging for whom?!
All the common people who can't afford to buy a Patek anyway? It's a false problem, but good to stir up irrelevant controversy and get some extra views on UA-cam I presume.
@@terrificlion2328 because I can’t afford something I don’t have the right to critique it? If that was the case, know one would have opinions on any art throughout history.
@@Teannarg Anybody can have an opinion on anything.
Whether an opinion is relevant, intelligent and insightful is a completely different matter!
Get a Casio instead
That's exactly what I'm wearing in the video you know 🤣
remember KODAK?
Good analogy
Patek is for dusty old elderly people. Doesn't concern me one bit
You are a few decades behind. Time to update your cliches about Patek!
@@terrificlion2328 nope. It's a boring brand. Good for you if you like it
@@RadixRillRegardless of your personal taste, or lack herof, you still need to update on who buys and wears Patek watches.
I think Patek has an amazing array of products, I love the Aquanaut for example. But this way of thinking for them is not the one