Thanks for the video and your honesty - we all mess up on eBay from time to time! I think I'd sell the class 43 power bogie, acquire two correct non-power bogies (hopefully with the proceeds) and use it as a non-powered scrapyard scene loco with the non-cab end against a wall.
Thanks Tim 👍 I dropped the class 43 motor into my 125 dummy car so I've got power at both ends, although even with two motors it still stuggles to move with 7 coaches. Scrap scene seems to be a popular option for the rest.
Well straight away, just looking at it, 02:19 the thing doesn't even sit on the rails properly. I would have given that a miss, for that alone. Look at how the bogie on the left, fits into the body. The "model" looks cobbled together to get rid of it. You should have returned it, mate.
If I remember correctly the ZTC decoder works similarly to the old Hornby Zero one system which in itself is incompatible with DCC. The class 25 you bought is a real bitsa and not worth what you paid for it unless you can break it for parts to use on other models.
Something you may or may not know, the bogies on the old school Hornby class 25 was factory fitted with the exact same bogie frames as the old school class 43 hst power/dummy car.
Talk to Sam of Sam's Trains. You are brave to buy off e-bay when nearly all model shops have second hand stuff. To me modelling has always been a tactile hobby. Again if you can touch it you can see things, maybe. Would like to hear the out come .
I've returned a lot of loco's and rolling stock on eBay. The most notable were an NRM Flying Scotsman R2441, listed as "Used - Like new" that looked like it had been used as a hammer and a Coronation Scot coach pack, again listed as "Used - Like new" that looked like it had been melted in front of a fire.
Come on! you have to admire the nerve of the seller! Or did he (presumably) think we were all as stupid as he? Thanks for, at least, assuring the rest of us, that we are not the only fools to be 'had' over an eBay purchase. I like to buy 'non-runners' for restoration, and some of them, you'd hardly believe how bad they were! Yet look OK in the listing, So, don't feel bad about missing the broken case - there is much worse! Cheers, enjoying your channel. Jim L
Agreed with the old Hornby stuff, not so sure about the ringfields, got mixed feelings about those. When ringfields run well they're great, when they don't want to play they're a nightmare.
I wouldn't touch ebay, I'm the proud owner of the cheap and cheerful hornby class 25. I bought it used apart from it tilts slightly I'm happy. I've subbed to your channel
I have one of those somewhere, lad from work, many moons ago gave me all his old bits out of the loft, ran quite well ended up being my first diesel, I later bought a load of hornby bits from ebay in it was a ringfield motor bogie and rear set, after a look i thought it was a set for a class 25 managed to get a full body a chassis only down side was it was BR green, but to good to miss so i had it. Then when i went to put it togeter to build another one , I realised the bogies were not the same as my old one, they too were class 43 after a bit more googling. so now i have a class 25 with no bogies and a set of class 43 bogies and no body, and at current prices it`s not worth sourcing the parts.
I've never got a bad ho scale locomotive so far but I have got a bad one from a hobby shop note if they only have something to do with you after they realize you are going to spend a lot of money do more research do not ask them for anything they will lie and tell you the locomotive will run on certain radius curves but the locomotive will derail and burst all to pieces when you try to put it back up
Great video. I tend to steer clear of anything with the "these pictures form part of the sale" etc. It's usually a get out clause for the seller. Sorry you got done.
That is really naughty of the seller omitting the crack and the homemade cab. The other things like the bogies I would put down to ignorance on the part of the seller, though the lack of hook is explained by the HST bogie as they couldn’t have hooks. Hope the project works out for you.
I think you're right. Although, the model was clearly cared for by the previous owned. It was (in theory) DCC retrofitted, the wheels had been hand painted and the chain coupling had been added. So someone had gone to some effort with it. It'll probably turn out to be a perfect recreation of some heritage railway locomotive that's been restored with whatever they had available 😂
I know that this might seem a bit mad but I have pre oarded a Heljan class 25 from Hatterns and this is brand new so I know it might seem expencef but thats the way I go
Very clearly not as described. And the photos were clearly all taken at angles so as to avoid showing the major body damage. And thats to say nothing of the incorrect bogies, odd buffers and host of internal issues. Seller was obviously trying to pull a fast one here and if it were me it would be going straight back to them for a refund. Really not worth the hassle when there are plenty of good sellers out there selling honest items. People who take the piss like this need to be called out otherwise they will just keep on doing it.
@@Happymali10 "Do private sellers in the (UK (?)) have to offer refunds? " In general no. But on Ebay, if the item is not as described, you can return it, at the seller's expense for a full refund.. This is guaranteed by Ebay. Ebay refunds you and recovers the money from the seller. Do it straight away and don't mess around dismantling it.
@@neiloflongbeck5705 Keep up - we live in the 21st century. Distance Selling Regulations effectively renders caveat emptor redundant for any online purchase.
@@neiloflongbeck5705 Neil, when it comes to eBay it is very much a case of ‘seller beware’. The description needs to be entirely accurate. (This is one of eBay’s attractions for buyers) This model breaches the description guidelines in several instances, and there would have been no question of a full refund.
@@struck2soon a close examination of the first photo (at the 2:45 mark) shows the damage to the right hand cab. There is clear evidence of the damage. Whilst the seller has failed to mention this and the mismatched bogies in the written description they have included clear photographs showing the faults and thus is not in breach of the requirements to give an accurate description of the item. The buyer is therefore at fault for not looking closely.
@@LittleWicketRailway It would be more defiant if you kept it running. Turning the disadvantages into advantages. Act as if the real locomotive was involved in an accident : repair the cab but make it obvious (weld seams, newer paint job). Leave the wrong pieces as makeshift replacements for damaged parts. Only the cabs would require a more fitting interior.
If it is damaged and as advertised in reasonable condition - shouldn't have any cracks / breakages, ask for a refund back - if you keep it convert the loco into a scrapyard heap model.
I think the seller should have been a least honest about the cracked body. My dad had one of these around 1977. It did run quite well. Very dated though now. He may have still got it?
As we say in engineering circles... "assumption is the mother of all fk ups" but hey look on the bright side, at least you have a handful of spares for different logos..... kudos for taking it so well and doing a video though!
Ebay seller: Sorry to hear you're not satisfied with my excellent item. But I have a solution that I feel can benefit us both without needing a refund. I'm emailing you a photo of a real British Rail Class 25. If you have a printer ready you can print it off and stick the photo on the model so it'll look satisfactory and saves hours of work. Thanks again!
That wouldn't be fair. As others have said, even though this was months after I'd bought it if I was really unhappy then I should have asked for a refund and tried to return it. It was my choice to keep it in the end and some of the issues might have been genuine mistakes from the seller. If they're a consistently bad seller then this will be reflected in their seller rating and they won't be in business for long.
@@LittleWicketRailway so, the seller got away with this, and therefore their seller rating isn't an accurate representation of their true personality. That bodywork break is a major fault that shouldn't/couldn't have been "forgotten." It was a deliberate ommission from the description, as was I suspect the interior. I've purchased a massive amount of stuff off of eBay since almost the beginning, and have luckily never come across such deception.
I once bought a Triang f7 which was in pretty good shape. Like your model, it had a small crack in the back but when I took the shell off to check the motor, there was a huge spider web in it.
Must admit I have had one or two Like this is ,but eBay has always been spot on with a refund.......but look on the bright side ....I know someone that ordered a workbench from amazon,and had a plastic shower tray delivered!!
a very good review from an enthusiast, who has been v ery kind to the junk the seller sold, I learned a lot from little wicket, as I own an original class 25, he only needs new traction tyres.:)
At the sight of a crack in the bodywork and again the glazing I would have opened an eBay return as none of this damage was in the sale description. It makes it one expensive chassis unless you bought the loco dirt cheap.
Loved your video, it's a real object lesson, there seems to be a trend now of people selling utter junk at extortionate prices on auction Web sites, people really do need to be very careful, even with an item that appears to be brand new.! I also think that anyone selling on auction sites should be compelled to post very good quality photos of both sides of an item as part of the description or have the sale rejected by the auction site, all to often the photos are of poor quality, which is a nightmare when looking at items from some mobile phones, and the seller seems to think he or she can hide behind the fact that they have asked the potential buyer to use the photos as part of the description, that's fine if you have "very good quality" photos showing everything, otherwise buyer beware even with the more expensive items.
Thx for this Video. Makes me feel better about 1 or 2 of my OO purchases from Ebay. Where Photos are Cunningly taken avoiding Body Damage. Or the Old Chestnut 'It was working fine before I posted it..!' I Now don't buy and Loco without all 12 photo's being used. And make sure that One side Doesn't take up most of the Pic's. But it's pretty difficult to avoid the Occasional Crafty Fellow that inhabit Ebay. Love the 'Full Christian Bale' reference in your Scale. You just gained a New subscriber. Cheers Kim in Oz. 😎
Too many clear errors in the listing never mind the pictures to put me off. I mean how much did this beauty cost, a tenner? It's not hard to buy off EBay especially if you dont just home in on low prices. Number of transactions the seller has should always be your starting point. If it's very low, beware, have they created a new account for some reason? Feedback, do they have a number of negative feedback comments? This seller said they were selling a big collection, what else did they have up for sale on EBay? A couple of items wouldnt hold with the big collection thinning out. Plenty of red flags here. And once getting the model, Id have requested a refund and opened a case if refused. Never dismantle an Ebay item. Once you do that, you destroy any chance of a refund as the seller will say you've damaged it and EBay will agree with them.
been there done that with locos of ebay several years ago, if the description does not match with the photos, maybe avoid it, spelling mistakes should be give away to a cheeky seller, the hornby 25 in that condition, should have been listed as spares or repair, take some spares of it, chuck the rest in the bin, if i want a loco from ebay, i usually purchase new with a lower than RRP price or purchase second hand from well know sellers that i have purchased from in the past.
surely you could threaten to write a poor review or, failing that, appeal to ebay itself for adjudication, you were after all, mislead. ebay is great when it works well but a pain when it doesn't, buying used electrical goods is 'iffey' at the best of times, i used to do it and i've been lucky on the whole but now i save up for new and, if you look hard enough, you can eventually find a bargain.
Hi Ian! You're right I probably could have asked for a refund, but it's faff and I'd left it ages. Plus, making the video was fun and I've got some spare parts out of it. I know what you mean, I've started buying new more often unless a real bargain pops up. Although, it seems like since lockdown started there aren't nearly as many bargains.
I was looking back at your past films Rob as saw this one. It is unfortunate that you had a bad experience from an eBay seller for this Class 25. Hopefully I will find the continution to this and see your handy work to upgrade and repare the locomotive. By the way, a great spook-tacular ending of the Monster Rat, LOL.. Plus, cheers for the tip about the Model Rail Database website, I will find this very useful for my Rolling Stock info that is missing various details on my own lists.
I don't think you said how much you paid for it. If it was only a few quid, then great, a decent motor and some spare parts... But I guess it was more :-(
This is my first time watching any of your videos. I'm sorry you had a bad experience with this locomotive but it made a very interesting subject and a good warning to study potential eBay purchases. I enjoy buying 2nd hand locomotives and getting them to work from 'dead' or helping them run better. I'm off to watch more of your productions. Cheers.
Its like some demonic entity that steals parts from other trains so as to become a train itself. I would throw holy water on it before its too late and it begins devouring the other trains on the layout xD
Hi David! I can't remember what feedback I gave, probably wasn't 5* on description. I could probably have tried for refund even after all that time, but had fun making the video. I've just seen a video of your Tenterden 2020 model railway exhibition, very nice! 👍
eBay is full of scumbags wanting top money for rubbish at the moment (I have been stung twice this year already) The one that annoyed me the most was a class 31 and three MK2 carriages that I picked up mid January... the 31 was described as Good Condition, good runner. it came with a massive melt mark across the body and roof...not a big issue weathering will hide it, that was the start of a list of issues... The rear pickup bogie has had the wires cut from the pick ups, again bit of solder no big issue, during a service, and under the piles of filth around the apparent running model, I found three track pins jammed in the gears.... At this point I had already dismantled the model so I figured I’d just mend it, clean the wheels and get it running, that I now have... The 31 also came with three mk2 coaches, all three had bogie parts missing, couplings and piles of grime and marks. Contacted the seller, he ignored the fact he had sold me an absolute lemon of a loco and offered to replace one of the carriages... Reported to eBay.... and moved on... guy was either clearing out someone’s possessions and couldn’t be bothered to look at the loco prior to sale, or was passing on damaged goods. Lesson learned, if it’s too good to be true, it probably is...
Take my advice avoid eBay I have brought and sold on that site. Selling was expensive and had to put up with abusive buyers who claimed this was wrong or that was wrong when in fact they wanted a free model and refund. Buying was an mixed bag had a couple junk buys then had to go through their long winded refund process too me it's not worth it I prefer Amazon or buying from an model shop. When I closed my eBay account it was a day of great joy😊
I've had one or two bad experiences, but overall it's been positive I think. I couldn't justify buying new models when I was starting out so Ebay was a great source of second hand stuff at good prices. Selling fees can be high unless you catch one of their £1 selling fee promotions that they do a few times a year.
There's a box in my attic which contains an HO Class 33 in Railfreight livery. If that wasn't bad enough, it's body was reassembled with superglue after a tradesman dropped a ladder on it!
I would have bagged it up wrapped it and returned it, a year or 2 back I bought a steam loco off ebay took it out of the box and it fell to bits in my lap so straight back to seller with a ticking off txt
So basically you got a bare class 25 chassis with a load of junk attached. When I first saw the whole thing I noticed the HST motor bogie and thought that doesn’t look right but that wasn’t the end of it. Some Ebayers have no scruples.
Haha, when you put it that way... junk is harsh, lets call it a class 25 hybrid. The HST bogie might come in handy, just got a old 125 that I want to convert to DCC with can motors at either end.
I'm afraid that you must bear the responsibility for this cock-up. There are plenty of Internet reference sites as I can see that you are aware, however, what to do? ( How much did you pay for it by the way? ) If it were me, I would simply create a whole new BR class out of it. PAINTWORK : would strip the paint off completely. Respray and renumber etc, not forgetting it's a fictional engine so fictional numbering. BOGIES : wouldn't change the bogies ( unless there are track running issues or unless you fancied Co-Bo-ing it). SUPERSTRUCTURE CRACK : would repair the crack ( simple job ). GLAZING : would replace the glazing and detail the driving cabs. BUFFERS : would change the buffers ( think the metal are original ). MOTOR : motor looks a bit dry - maybe oil? DCC : replace DCC and sell older model. BITS & BOBS : stick on bits of other period diesels for good measure ( the Russians are famous for this!! ) - maybe head code boxes à la Class 37??? RESULT : an engine that's the first and only of its class IN THE WORLD!! AND FINALLY - report the seller and talk to eBay and see if you can get even a partial refund for keeping the model - everything is negotiable. Everything! Enjoy! PS - I do look forward to seeing what you DO do with it.
The seller probably thought the crack and whatnot was obvious from the photos. They perhaps should have mentioned the replacement bogies in the description just to be clear. But maybe they didn't know, maybe they even got the model like that themselves. Speaking of the crack, A. in the photos the crack actually looks like it's repaired (so it may have re-broken in transit) and B. as far as body shell cracks go that one's *nothing*. Fixing it's a simple CA glue job, and blending it is a quick sand and a couple licks of paint.
I don't think the seller was deliberately trying to rip me off. If you think it's fixable then I might give it a go. I'm partially colourblind so matching paint colours might be tricky, but got nothing to lose 👍
Well that's a great lesson learned. I must say I have bought some good bargains off of Ebay, both US, HO and UK outline OO gauge items, but never as bad as yours. I have noticed recently though, that the prices of items is climbing to the same level as you could pay for new in a model shop..........I once was watching a Heljan Class 128 that went for nearly £200 when you could buy a new one for £150!.......................Your Class 25 was a really old model, I think someone created it from bits in their scrap box. Apart from the crack and broken glazing how could they put bogies off of two different locos on it and call it a Class 25! I'm slightly surprised though you didn't spot that looking at the description before purchasing the loco. Having said that though, when I watched the video I didn't spot it at first.............Anyway a great lesson learned, best regards Dave.
I doubt that this happens often in the UK because of compatibility issues, but in the USA, real locomotives have been run with mixed trucks (boggies). An example is on the Virginian RR, where there has been photographic evidence of a Fairbanks Morse MORSE H24-66 with one original truck, and one truck from a General Electric E33 (aka EL-C). There are other examples, so make up a story to explain the situation. In the case of the Virginian, the two kinds of locomotives where specified that way to make servicing easier. Both types had the same traction motors, even though one was an electric and the other a diesel-electric.
@@LittleWicketRailway Look in your nearby model shop for Milliput. wipe the inside of the engine with meths to get the plastic clean. Then roll a thin - pencil lead thick piece of milliput. Press that into the crack and tie string tightly around the loco so the crack is squeezed together. Clean up as much excess milliput as you can. When it's cured, release the string and cleam up excess then paint. It's easy and cheap.
I’m sure everybody who plays this game gets stung now and again. I didn’t see the price you paid for this, but when you consider that a used ring field bogey starts from around £25 hey ho. Ive turned a class 29 and a 37 into dummy’s for Double heading. As one of your comments says, expect the worst and everything else is a bonus 😄 Happy Modelling 👍🏻
I left it so long before opening it that I didn't feel that I could try and return it. If I'd have tried to contact them and they'd refused to accept it back then I might have named them, but it's really my own fault for not checking the listing properly, not checking it when I received it and not sending it back immediately. You live and learn ay.
Personally I can't say I understand the attraction with these old Hornby locos. Nostalgia value perhaps? But if it's an actual model you're looking for, and not a toy train, the Bachmann 25 is superior in every respect.
The only really bad experience I had on eBay was an Airfix loco I picked up for £20 which wouldn't run properly. The seller explained that they'd meant to list as a non-runner and refunded without question - so seemed a genuine mistake. Your cannibalistic seller should have mentioned some of those other issues which it would have been easy to miss from the photos, or indeed out of sight.
Should have sent is back and requested a refund. I have sold complete mint Hornby locos and the buyer has broken them and ebay forced me to refund after nearly 2 months. So i'm sure you would get a refund.
I'd say to anyone buying from ebay that when a seller says 'look at the pictures, they form part of the listing' is a big red flag. What they are in effect saying is that there's a fault on the picture that I'm not going to mention and its your fault if you don't spot it. Essentially they think they are somehow absolving themselves of liability for the faulty item.
Great and funny video there m8 ,, i once bought a pair of carriages from a seller and I presumed looking at the pics and the in the description it was a ho or oo scale as there was nothing listed as a TT model anywhere except for in one spot in the basic listing which i have to admit i totally missed .. The carriages were in sort of ok condition according to the fotos but when i received them the bloody things had shrunk big time and because it had no where in the heading or the description there was no mention of TT anywhere and explained to him that i wanted a refunded as they were no use to me as i run HO or OO and if it was in the description or the heading i would have queried it as i had never seen a TT scale before ,, i sent the seller a msg and explained that i wanted a refund due to lack of info and as I took some pics anoticed there was cracks in the plastic and paint missing and just wanted a refund as i have no use for it.. I know as a prevoius seller for 7 years straight if the buyer wants a refund just do it and especially if it was my blunder that the buyer wants a refund so just do whats asked as you can always sell it again and I used to get better money for it second go around hahah. Cheers from John in Australia.
When you've finished rebuilding it you should call it "Trigger's Broom"
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so right Dave
Best Comment 🏆 but showin yer Age 😄
I bought a BR Green Class 25 but all of the cogs were missing and for some reason an astronaut was in the cab lmao
Someone out there is really messing with the class 25s!! 😂😂😂
I wonder who though
That is brilliant. An astronaut?!?
Al GDC yeah like a really small one and he was missing his legs
@@astrochaos4182 it wasn' ET was it?
Thanks for the video and your honesty - we all mess up on eBay from time to time! I think I'd sell the class 43 power bogie, acquire two correct non-power bogies (hopefully with the proceeds) and use it as a non-powered scrapyard scene loco with the non-cab end against a wall.
Thanks Tim 👍 I dropped the class 43 motor into my 125 dummy car so I've got power at both ends, although even with two motors it still stuggles to move with 7 coaches. Scrap scene seems to be a popular option for the rest.
Well straight away, just looking at it, 02:19 the thing doesn't even sit on the rails properly. I would have given that a miss, for that alone. Look at how the bogie on the left, fits into the body. The "model" looks cobbled together to get rid of it. You should have returned it, mate.
Tbh, you should return it in my opinion. That eBay seller had a hell of a cheek.
If I remember correctly the ZTC decoder works similarly to the old Hornby Zero one system which in itself is incompatible with DCC. The class 25 you bought is a real bitsa and not worth what you paid for it unless you can break it for parts to use on other models.
Thanks for the decoder info. One of the bogies has already been utilised elsewhere. I'm sure it'll come in handy for bits over time.
Something you may or may not know, the bogies on the old school Hornby class 25 was factory fitted with the exact same bogie frames as the old school class 43 hst power/dummy car.
I did not know that 👍
Talk to Sam of Sam's Trains. You are brave to buy off e-bay when nearly all model shops have second hand stuff. To me modelling has always been a tactile hobby. Again if you can touch it you can see things, maybe. Would like to hear the out come .
Hi George, unfortunately my local model shop is about an hour away, so I take my chances online most of the time. 99% of the time it's OK.
I've returned a lot of loco's and rolling stock on eBay. The most notable were an NRM Flying Scotsman R2441, listed as "Used - Like new" that looked like it had been used as a hammer and a Coronation Scot coach pack, again listed as "Used - Like new" that looked like it had been melted in front of a fire.
I received a partially melted "like new" wagon once. How does that even happen??
@@LittleWicketRailway Kids, curiosity and fire places I think.
Thanks for another great video. An e-bay guide would be very much appreciated and Underground Ernie has my vote for the Bach treatment!.
Thanks, there's definitely an art to successful buying on Ebay. I saw Underground Ernie on Sams Trains and I can never unsee it 😮
Come on! you have to admire the nerve of the seller! Or did he (presumably) think we were all as stupid as he?
Thanks for, at least, assuring the rest of us, that we are not the only fools to be 'had' over an eBay purchase. I like to buy 'non-runners' for restoration, and some of them, you'd hardly believe how bad they were! Yet look OK in the listing, So, don't feel bad about missing the broken case - there is much worse! Cheers, enjoying your channel. Jim L
Thanks for watching! I enjoy fixing up a good non-runner too. Had a couple of really easy fixes and some mission impossibles, all good fun 👍
I love buying old Hornby stuff. The ringfield motors are bombproof and so easy to sort out if necessary.
Agreed with the old Hornby stuff, not so sure about the ringfields, got mixed feelings about those. When ringfields run well they're great, when they don't want to play they're a nightmare.
On the plus side, the chassis looked ok... Maybe just put it on accommodation bogies and leave the bodyshell off and call it "partially scrapped".
I wouldn't touch ebay, I'm the proud owner of the cheap and cheerful hornby class 25. I bought it used apart from it tilts slightly I'm happy. I've subbed to your channel
Ebay is hit n miss. Thanks 👍
I have one of those somewhere, lad from work, many moons ago gave me all his old bits out of the loft, ran quite well ended up being my first diesel, I later bought a load of hornby bits from ebay in it was a ringfield motor bogie and rear set, after a look i thought it was a set for a class 25 managed to get a full body a chassis only down side was it was BR green, but to good to miss so i had it. Then when i went to put it togeter to build another one , I realised the bogies were not the same as my old one, they too were class 43 after a bit more googling. so now i have a class 25 with no bogies and a set of class 43 bogies and no body, and at current prices it`s not worth sourcing the parts.
I've never got a bad ho scale locomotive so far but I have got a bad one from a hobby shop note if they only have something to do with you after they realize you are going to spend a lot of money do more research do not ask them for anything they will lie and tell you the locomotive will run on certain radius curves but the locomotive will derail and burst all to pieces when you try to put it back up
Sounds like a bad experience 😮
@@LittleWicketRailway it was but that's why I don't go to them anymore
Great video. I tend to steer clear of anything with the "these pictures form part of the sale" etc. It's usually a get out clause for the seller. Sorry you got done.
Cheers John. I study Ebay photos super carefully now!
It’s not binding as far as ebay is concerned
That is really naughty of the seller omitting the crack and the homemade cab. The other things like the bogies I would put down to ignorance on the part of the seller, though the lack of hook is explained by the HST bogie as they couldn’t have hooks.
Hope the project works out for you.
I think you're right. Although, the model was clearly cared for by the previous owned. It was (in theory) DCC retrofitted, the wheels had been hand painted and the chain coupling had been added. So someone had gone to some effort with it. It'll probably turn out to be a perfect recreation of some heritage railway locomotive that's been restored with whatever they had available 😂
I know that this might seem a bit mad but I have pre oarded a Heljan class 25 from Hatterns and this is brand new so I know it might seem expencef but thats the way I go
Looks like a nice model. What colours have you gone for?
Well I havent recived it yet but I have gone for the two tone green with full yellow end panels
Very clearly not as described. And the photos were clearly all taken at angles so as to avoid showing the major body damage. And thats to say nothing of the incorrect bogies, odd buffers and host of internal issues. Seller was obviously trying to pull a fast one here and if it were me it would be going straight back to them for a refund. Really not worth the hassle when there are plenty of good sellers out there selling honest items. People who take the piss like this need to be called out otherwise they will just keep on doing it.
So basically to repair it you have to replace everything like buy another model 😂
Yep 😂😩
You could give it away as a prize for something or other as it's a legendary TV celebrity
Haha, I couldn't give him away yet. He still needs to get some revenge, to be continued... 😂
I hope that ebayer was a non expert and just did not realise these issues existed, otherwise that is a disgrace.
You kept it jeez i bet you didn't leave them negative feedback either
Just subscribe
Cheer Dan 👍
It should be returned for a full refund, not worth the hassle and plenty of good ones available
Do private sellers in the (UK (?)) have to offer refunds?
@@Happymali10 Im in the UK, with the exception of houses and cars, no. As far as I'm aware.
Caveat emptor applies, buyer beware.
@@Happymali10 "Do private sellers in the (UK (?)) have to offer refunds? " In general no. But on Ebay, if the item is not as described, you can return it, at the seller's expense for a full refund.. This is guaranteed by Ebay. Ebay refunds you and recovers the money from the seller. Do it straight away and don't mess around dismantling it.
It should be returned out of principle, and it also is a black mark against the seller, which they clearly deserve.
Depends on how much was paid, to me it looks like perfect example for train scrap yard. Thought Im more steam guy.
Whoever flogged that piece of junk is a no good toerag.
Caveat emptor.
'toerag' - lol
@@neiloflongbeck5705 Keep up - we live in the 21st century. Distance Selling Regulations effectively renders caveat emptor redundant for any online purchase.
@@neiloflongbeck5705 Neil, when it comes to eBay it is very much a case of ‘seller beware’. The description needs to be entirely accurate. (This is one of eBay’s attractions for buyers)
This model breaches the description guidelines in several instances, and there would have been no question of a full refund.
@@struck2soon a close examination of the first photo (at the 2:45 mark) shows the damage to the right hand cab. There is clear evidence of the damage. Whilst the seller has failed to mention this and the mismatched bogies in the written description they have included clear photographs showing the faults and thus is not in breach of the requirements to give an accurate description of the item. The buyer is therefore at fault for not looking closely.
Should’ve returned it as not as described : eBay would’ve refunded without question!.
This seems to be the consensus, but it's useful for parts and I had fun making the video 👍
I'd weather it completely and shove it in a corner of a siding as decoration, disconnect the motor as well so you can still use the siding while on dc
Good suggestion 👍 The motor has already been donated to a HST.
@@LittleWicketRailway It would be more defiant if you kept it running. Turning the disadvantages into advantages. Act as if the real locomotive was involved in an accident : repair the cab but make it obvious (weld seams, newer paint job). Leave the wrong pieces as makeshift replacements for damaged parts. Only the cabs would require a more fitting interior.
If it is damaged and as advertised in reasonable condition - shouldn't have any cracks / breakages, ask for a refund back - if you keep it convert the loco into a scrapyard heap model.
I think the seller should have been a least honest about the cracked body. My dad had one of these around 1977. It did run quite well. Very dated though now. He may have still got it?
As we say in engineering circles... "assumption is the mother of all fk ups" but hey look on the bright side, at least you have a handful of spares for different logos..... kudos for taking it so well and doing a video though!
I would've sent it back for a full refund. You barely had any model left by the time you listed all the faults.
😂 I'd left it a bit late to return it by the time I'd realised what I had. Plenty of spare parts...
Ebay seller: Sorry to hear you're not satisfied with my excellent item. But I have a solution that I feel can benefit us both without needing a refund. I'm emailing you a photo of a real British Rail Class 25. If you have a printer ready you can print it off and stick the photo on the model so it'll look satisfactory and saves hours of work. Thanks again!
😂😂
Somehow I don't think I'll be seeking any ebay buying tips from you, as you don't seem to be very good at it, lol.
Haha, learn from your mistakes and all that. And I've done a lot of learning 😂😂😂
That was a really bad model. I've been mainly lucky on e-bay. Thanks for the things to look out for.
Yeah, it's mostly positive, but every now and then it's REALLY bad 😂😩
Why didn't you mention the seller's name so others know to avoid him/her?
That wouldn't be fair. As others have said, even though this was months after I'd bought it if I was really unhappy then I should have asked for a refund and tried to return it. It was my choice to keep it in the end and some of the issues might have been genuine mistakes from the seller. If they're a consistently bad seller then this will be reflected in their seller rating and they won't be in business for long.
@@LittleWicketRailway so, the seller got away with this, and therefore their seller rating isn't an accurate representation of their true personality. That bodywork break is a major fault that shouldn't/couldn't have been "forgotten." It was a deliberate ommission from the description, as was I suspect the interior.
I've purchased a massive amount of stuff off of eBay since almost the beginning, and have luckily never come across such deception.
Either it’s an ugly duckling project or its a crash damage point of interest.
Now that was funny, especially at the end! 🤣Excellent video, well done!
I once bought a Triang f7 which was in pretty good shape. Like your model, it had a small crack in the back but when I took the shell off to check the motor, there was a huge spider web in it.
Must admit I have had one or two Like this is ,but eBay has always been spot on with a refund.......but look on the bright side ....I know someone that ordered a workbench from amazon,and had a plastic shower tray delivered!!
a very good review from an enthusiast, who has been v ery kind to the junk the seller sold, I learned a lot from little wicket, as I own an original class 25, he only needs new traction tyres.:)
At the sight of a crack in the bodywork and again the glazing I would have opened an eBay return as none of this damage was in the sale description. It makes it one expensive chassis unless you bought the loco dirt cheap.
Looping the excess wire length coming from the decoder instead of trimming it is actually a sign of a poor install, not a good one.
Put it up for sale on ebay! As seen on UA-cam.....got to be worth double now.....should get at least £1.20?
Haha, hard to hide the faults now though 😂
I dont believe, but I also own the same model as well, as a Bachmann Two Tone Green Rat
Loved your video, it's a real object lesson, there seems to be a trend now of people selling utter junk at extortionate prices on auction Web sites, people really do need to be very careful, even with an item that appears to be brand new.! I also think that anyone selling on auction sites should be compelled to post very good quality photos of both sides of an item as part of the description or have the sale rejected by the auction site, all to often the photos are of poor quality, which is a nightmare when looking at items from some mobile phones, and the seller seems to think he or she can hide behind the fact that they have asked the potential buyer to use the photos as part of the description, that's fine if you have "very good quality" photos showing everything, otherwise buyer beware even with the more expensive items.
If only the eBay seller told him some parts were missing from the Liverpool collision 🚃🚋🚋🚃🚃🚋🚞💥🚂🚋🚃🚋🚃🚋
I just had to look this up 👍
Thx for this Video. Makes me feel better about 1 or 2 of my OO purchases from Ebay.
Where Photos are Cunningly taken avoiding Body Damage.
Or the Old Chestnut
'It was working fine before I posted it..!'
I Now don't buy and Loco without all 12 photo's being used. And make sure that One side Doesn't take up most of the Pic's.
But it's pretty difficult to avoid the Occasional Crafty Fellow
that inhabit Ebay.
Love the 'Full Christian Bale' reference in your Scale. You just gained a New subscriber.
Cheers Kim in Oz. 😎
Cheers Kim! Yeah, don't understand why sellers wouldn't uses all the photos available!?
Too many clear errors in the listing never mind the pictures to put me off. I mean how much did this beauty cost, a tenner? It's not hard to buy off EBay especially if you dont just home in on low prices. Number of transactions the seller has should always be your starting point. If it's very low, beware, have they created a new account for some reason? Feedback, do they have a number of negative feedback comments?
This seller said they were selling a big collection, what else did they have up for sale on EBay? A couple of items wouldnt hold with the big collection thinning out. Plenty of red flags here. And once getting the model, Id have requested a refund and opened a case if refused.
Never dismantle an Ebay item. Once you do that, you destroy any chance of a refund as the seller will say you've damaged it and EBay will agree with them.
Sound advice 👍no red flags with the account. Someone had cared for this model at some point. The motor was very well looked after.
been there done that with locos of ebay several years ago, if the description does not match with the photos, maybe avoid it, spelling mistakes should be give away to a cheeky seller, the hornby 25 in that condition, should have been listed as spares or repair, take some spares of it, chuck the rest in the bin, if i want a loco from ebay, i usually purchase new with a lower than RRP price or purchase second hand from well know sellers that i have purchased from in the past.
Good advice 👍 I've got my favourite sellers too now.
Bogies are just clip on plastic shells which can be swapped .
surely you could threaten to write a poor review or, failing that, appeal to ebay itself for adjudication, you were after all, mislead. ebay is great when it works well but a pain when it doesn't, buying used electrical goods is 'iffey' at the best of times, i used to do it and i've been lucky on the whole but now i save up for new and, if you look hard enough, you can eventually find a bargain.
Hi Ian! You're right I probably could have asked for a refund, but it's faff and I'd left it ages. Plus, making the video was fun and I've got some spare parts out of it. I know what you mean, I've started buying new more often unless a real bargain pops up. Although, it seems like since lockdown started there aren't nearly as many bargains.
I was looking back at your past films Rob as saw this one. It is unfortunate that you had a bad experience from an eBay seller for this Class 25. Hopefully I will find the continution to this and see your handy work to upgrade and repare the locomotive. By the way, a great spook-tacular ending of the Monster Rat, LOL.. Plus, cheers for the tip about the Model Rail Database website, I will find this very useful for my Rolling Stock info that is missing various details on my own lists.
I don't think you said how much you paid for it. If it was only a few quid, then great, a decent motor and some spare parts... But I guess it was more :-(
£28 🙄 a bargain for DCC fitted 😂😂😂 Thought process was, "even if the model was trash at least I'd have the decoder..." oh dear.
This is my first time watching any of your videos. I'm sorry you had a bad experience with this locomotive but it made a very interesting subject and a good warning to study potential eBay purchases. I enjoy buying 2nd hand locomotives and getting them to work from 'dead' or helping them run better. I'm off to watch more of your productions. Cheers.
Thanks Graham 👍 it is very rewarding bringing models back from the dead
I know what to do with it ? ...... Throw the whole lot in the bin and don't waste your money in future on 1970's rubbish !!
I feel like I should say something about it being a vintage classic, but.... you're right 😂
The old Hornby 25 was a wreak from day 1.
Going through some crap with Ebay at the moment myself. I will never buy for ebay again
It's mostly ok, but only takes one bad experience to put you off. Hope you get it sorted 👍
I bought a HST and class 29 of ebay and they each had a class 25 bogie lol
There's someone out there messing with us!
I dont understand why you keep saying its your fault, to me that was clearly misdescribed.
The crack was unacceptable, but I should have spotted the bogies.
Its like some demonic entity that steals parts from other trains so as to become a train itself. I would throw holy water on it before its too late and it begins devouring the other trains on the layout xD
I'm stealing this plot for the next halloween special 😉
Why on earth did you but this.? The Bachmann model is streets ahead, some really good deals out there....
I know, what was I thinking 😖 I don't even like the class 25s that much! Although the new Heljans do look good.
Even with the eBay description , I’d be thinking £3, that things older than you !
Haha, just a bit older than me. Helijan are bringing out a new version soon, might be time to upgrade.
Nice video and a fun ending - shame about the loco. I'd have contacted the seller and returned it.
I'd left it too late to return really and I had fun making the video. He might appear again, maybe around halloween time.
I would leave the seller a review " Not to be trusted"
Regards David " Ashford Model Railway "
Hi David! I can't remember what feedback I gave, probably wasn't 5* on description. I could probably have tried for refund even after all that time, but had fun making the video. I've just seen a video of your Tenterden 2020 model railway exhibition, very nice! 👍
eBay is full of scumbags wanting top money for rubbish at the moment (I have been stung twice this year already)
The one that annoyed me the most was a class 31 and three MK2 carriages that I picked up mid January... the 31 was described as Good Condition, good runner.
it came with a massive melt mark across the body and roof...not a big issue weathering will hide it, that was the start of a list of issues...
The rear pickup bogie has had the wires cut from the pick ups, again bit of solder no big issue, during a service, and under the piles of filth around the apparent running model, I found three track pins jammed in the gears....
At this point I had already dismantled the model so I figured I’d just mend it, clean the wheels and get it running, that I now have...
The 31 also came with three mk2 coaches, all three had bogie parts missing, couplings and piles of grime and marks.
Contacted the seller, he ignored the fact he had sold me an absolute lemon of a loco and offered to replace one of the carriages...
Reported to eBay.... and moved on... guy was either clearing out someone’s possessions and couldn’t be bothered to look at the loco prior to sale, or was passing on damaged goods.
Lesson learned, if it’s too good to be true, it probably is...
If you are not returning it, at least give the seller a negative review with a good description as to why.
He's staying. Being used for parts and maybe a halloween special. I don't think the seller got 5 stars for this one.
Simple solution.
Return it.
You have PayPal buyer protection for 180 days, from date of purchase.
He's been broken up for parts. The motor was very well maintained.
Take my advice avoid eBay I have brought and sold on that site. Selling was expensive and had to put up with abusive buyers who claimed this was wrong or that was wrong when in fact they wanted a free model and refund. Buying was an mixed bag had a couple junk buys then had to go through their long winded refund process too me it's not worth it I prefer Amazon or buying from an model shop. When I closed my eBay account it was a day of great joy😊
I've had one or two bad experiences, but overall it's been positive I think. I couldn't justify buying new models when I was starting out so Ebay was a great source of second hand stuff at good prices. Selling fees can be high unless you catch one of their £1 selling fee promotions that they do a few times a year.
Yes I had problems with Ebayer. One seller last year was rude when I contacted him. In the end I just could not be bothered dealing with him
Ebay isn't always great for customer service. Overall it's been positive for me though as both a buyer and seller.
was it fifeloco?
@@vikingsmb I have forgot name as a while ago
@@rogerclark5869 ah ok, as fifeloco is a bit of a awkward prick.
The engine was spoopy enough, but now I can't unsee the 25 247..SERIOUSLY WHO MESSED THE ENGINE NUMBER UP!?
I’d gladly take the body shell
There's a box in my attic which contains an HO Class 33 in Railfreight livery. If that wasn't bad enough, it's body was reassembled with superglue after a tradesman dropped a ladder on it!
Sounds like a model with some "character".
The plastic buffer was the only one close to the right size out of the four.
Haha, at least 1 part was good! 😂
I would have bagged it up wrapped it and returned it, a year or 2 back I bought a steam loco off ebay took it out of the box and it fell to bits in my lap so straight back to seller with a ticking off txt
In the description on eBay it also says that it's the replica of a Class 40
That's the one loco it doesn't include any parts from!
Ebay is not fit for purpose there are plenty of real horror stories if you look for them.
It's not all bad, but when it is bad it can be really bad.
So basically you got a bare class 25 chassis with a load of junk attached. When I first saw the whole thing I noticed the HST motor bogie and thought that doesn’t look right but that wasn’t the end of it. Some Ebayers have no scruples.
Haha, when you put it that way... junk is harsh, lets call it a class 25 hybrid.
The HST bogie might come in handy, just got a old 125 that I want to convert to DCC with can motors at either end.
I'm afraid that you must bear the responsibility for this cock-up. There are plenty of Internet reference sites as I can see that you are aware, however, what to do? ( How much did you pay for it by the way? )
If it were me, I would simply create a whole new BR class out of it.
PAINTWORK : would strip the paint off completely. Respray and renumber etc, not forgetting it's a fictional engine so fictional numbering.
BOGIES : wouldn't change the bogies ( unless there are track running issues or unless you fancied Co-Bo-ing it).
SUPERSTRUCTURE CRACK : would repair the crack ( simple job ).
GLAZING : would replace the glazing and detail the driving cabs.
BUFFERS : would change the buffers ( think the metal are original ).
MOTOR : motor looks a bit dry - maybe oil?
DCC : replace DCC and sell older model.
BITS & BOBS : stick on bits of other period diesels for good measure ( the Russians are famous for this!! ) - maybe head code boxes à la Class 37???
RESULT : an engine that's the first and only of its class IN THE WORLD!!
AND FINALLY - report the seller and talk to eBay and see if you can get even a partial refund for keeping the model - everything is negotiable. Everything!
Enjoy!
PS - I do look forward to seeing what you DO do with it.
The seller probably thought the crack and whatnot was obvious from the photos. They perhaps should have mentioned the replacement bogies in the description just to be clear. But maybe they didn't know, maybe they even got the model like that themselves.
Speaking of the crack, A. in the photos the crack actually looks like it's repaired (so it may have re-broken in transit) and B. as far as body shell cracks go that one's *nothing*. Fixing it's a simple CA glue job, and blending it is a quick sand and a couple licks of paint.
I don't think the seller was deliberately trying to rip me off. If you think it's fixable then I might give it a go. I'm partially colourblind so matching paint colours might be tricky, but got nothing to lose 👍
Well that's a great lesson learned. I must say I have bought some good bargains off of Ebay, both US, HO and UK outline OO gauge items, but never as bad as yours. I have noticed recently though, that the prices of items is climbing to the same level as you could pay for new in a model shop..........I once was watching a Heljan Class 128 that went for nearly £200 when you could buy a new one for £150!.......................Your Class 25 was a really old model, I think someone created it from bits in their scrap box. Apart from the crack and broken glazing how could they put bogies off of two different locos on it and call it a Class 25! I'm slightly surprised though you didn't spot that looking at the description before purchasing the loco. Having said that though, when I watched the video I didn't spot it at first.............Anyway a great lesson learned, best regards Dave.
I doubt that this happens often in the UK because of compatibility issues, but in the USA, real locomotives have been run with mixed trucks (boggies). An example is on the Virginian RR, where there has been photographic evidence of a Fairbanks Morse MORSE H24-66 with one original truck, and one truck from a General Electric E33 (aka EL-C). There are other examples, so make up a story to explain the situation. In the case of the Virginian, the two kinds of locomotives where specified that way to make servicing easier. Both types had the same traction motors, even though one was an electric and the other a diesel-electric.
A little bit of epoxy putty and paint will fix the body work. As for the rest of it, change the decoder and just run it as is.
A few people have said this is fixable. Might be beyond me and sounds time consuming though. 👍
@@LittleWicketRailway Look in your nearby model shop for Milliput. wipe the inside of the engine with meths to get the plastic clean. Then roll a thin - pencil lead thick piece of milliput. Press that into the crack and tie string tightly around the loco so the crack is squeezed together. Clean up as much excess milliput as you can. When it's cured, release the string and cleam up excess then paint. It's easy and cheap.
I got a class 25 exactly the same it and it works I am trying to sell all my railway stuff but not sure about how to go about it
In other words..... replacing every part
Pretty much 😫
I’m sure everybody who plays this game gets stung now and again. I didn’t see the price you paid for this, but when you consider that a used ring field bogey starts from around £25 hey ho. Ive turned a class 29 and a 37 into dummy’s for Double heading. As one of your comments says, expect the worst and everything else is a bonus 😄 Happy Modelling 👍🏻
You should name and shame the seller so that others don't get stung.
I left it so long before opening it that I didn't feel that I could try and return it. If I'd have tried to contact them and they'd refused to accept it back then I might have named them, but it's really my own fault for not checking the listing properly, not checking it when I received it and not sending it back immediately. You live and learn ay.
Personally I can't say I understand the attraction with these old Hornby locos. Nostalgia value perhaps? But if it's an actual model you're looking for, and not a toy train, the Bachmann 25 is superior in every respect.
Disaster? Looks pretty normal for Hornby........ (after that shot fired, i'm not returning to see reply comments lol)
Haha, haters gonna hate 😂
@@LittleWicketRailway i really enjoy your channel btw..
@@warpo007 thanks 👍
The only really bad experience I had on eBay was an Airfix loco I picked up for £20 which wouldn't run properly. The seller explained that they'd meant to list as a non-runner and refunded without question - so seemed a genuine mistake. Your cannibalistic seller should have mentioned some of those other issues which it would have been easy to miss from the photos, or indeed out of sight.
I'm growing quite fond of my almost Class 25, he's got character! Hasn't stopped me using Ebay, still love a bargain.
How long did it take to film, edit and post this video?
Longer than the ten minutes it takes to watch.
Life is too short.
Significantly longer than 10 minutes to make...but it's fun and there's very little else to do in lockdown 😄
your first problem is that it is a poxy BR diesel
I know! Should have stuck to LMS steam! 🤣
Post-apocalyptic Frankentrain! Would be kinda neat to just keep it as is, and see how much worse you can make it! :D
yet another ebay rip off.
Should have sent is back and requested a refund. I have sold complete mint Hornby locos and the buyer has broken them and ebay forced me to refund after nearly 2 months. So i'm sure you would get a refund.
I'd say to anyone buying from ebay that when a seller says 'look at the pictures, they form part of the listing' is a big red flag. What they are in effect saying is that there's a fault on the picture that I'm not going to mention and its your fault if you don't spot it. Essentially they think they are somehow absolving themselves of liability for the faulty item.
Idea: Do as Laurie Calvert did with his old 9F. Buy an Airfix kit and make a futuristic sci-fi loco!
Great and funny video there m8 ,, i once bought a pair of carriages from a seller and I presumed looking at the pics and the in the description it was a ho or oo scale as there was nothing listed as a TT model anywhere except for in one spot in the basic listing which i have to admit i totally missed ..
The carriages were in sort of ok condition according to the fotos but when i received them the bloody things had shrunk big time and because it had no where in the heading or the description there was no mention of TT anywhere and explained to him that i wanted a refunded as they were no use to me as i run HO or OO and if it was in the description or the heading i would have queried it as i had never seen a TT scale before ,, i sent the seller a msg and explained that i wanted a refund due to lack of info and as I took some pics anoticed there was cracks in the plastic and paint missing and just wanted a refund as i have no use for it..
I know as a prevoius seller for 7 years straight if the buyer wants a refund just do it and especially if it was my blunder that the buyer wants a refund so just do whats asked as you can always sell it again and I used to get better money for it second go around hahah.
Cheers from John in Australia.
One of the bogies is 100% HST, the cylinders behind the coupling are a dead giveaway!