Also think a big hint at being an adult is what Baby DOESN'T do, she doesnt scoop the player. Because baby only scoops children. Kind of gives a big point to the baby ice cream scene. The only scooping from an adult is from Mike in a scooping room.
But the green eyes would suggest Elizabeth is in control. Maybe she doesn’t want to harm anyone unless necessary? Or,more likely,she doesn’t want to risk another soul disrupting her control over Baby
@@birdmcturd1626i dont think elizabeth would have control over what was programmed into the suit itself, mainly because of fnaf 3, despite WA being in the springbonnie suit the suit will still move on its own towards sounds of kids playing
@@maelstrom_n That’s a fair point. I will say Elizabeth changing the eye colour is one of the most impressive things we’ve seen a ghost do in this franchise which might mean Elizabeth is more powerful than most but that’s pure speculation
Maybe the "bad kid" statement could be because of all of Mike's friends, he was the one that helped to put the crying child in fredbear's mouth, like, they are the 2 that have he's blood on their hands (in a more direct way)
Yeah, Sun and Moon don't really strike me as the kind to change their speech patterns when they talk to adults vs children. If you're in the daycare doing daycare activities I figure they'd just assume you ARE a kid, regardless of your actual age or size.
I like the Cassie Dad theory, it feels so narratively completing. Cassie's Dad becoming the animatronic that helps bring Cassie to her demise, not being able to stop it or tell her it's him. I really hope this theory is true!
No it's not, we know almost nothing about Cassie's dad as a CHARACTER, thus it could be any character, like a regular security guard "a person who supposed to protect people led one of them into a trap, how completion!". Also we don't know if Cassie truly dead and lastly she were led into a trap by nonsense plot. How Mimic got a walkie-talkie? How it send a message to her? Why Gregory couldn't connect to her until the end? Start ask questions and you'll see how fast all plot of SB and Ruin will become garbage
@@Mekap_Oblethat’s kinda a lie,personality wise? Eh maybe. But we do know a bunch like his interest in collecting vintage stuff and that bonnie was his favorite
@@Mekap_Obleyea we don’t know a lot about him, that’s why the theory makes sense because if it is true it reveals a lot about his character and who he is. Also it would be really boring if it is just some random dude we’ve never heard of, and to add to that, there is a lot of holes in the story but that’s the point, if we just knew everything then there wouldn’t be a point to continue the story, that’s kinda how story telling works.
Cassie's dad being Jeremy Fitzgerald also makes sense because every single time the name Jeremy is brought up in this franchise, it's always to do with Bonnie. The missing child who possessed Bonnie is theorised to be named "Jeremy" and if our Jeremy is not the Jeremy who cut off his face in HW 1, we can also say he is loosely connected to Bonnie due to Glitchtraps existence.
most likely his brother was one of the og mci victim? maybe jeremy the 3rd? or 4th?? a line of cursed jeremys 😢 willy probably targeted him because of the incident
that also gives more context to cassie's friendship with roxy, cause of the theory that tangle is the storyteller and is enforcing its data of the animatronic mask (their characters) onto the glamrock animatronics, which in that case would lead to mangle being connected to roxy
From the bite inflictor to a bite victim, than as an old man, he's forced to pass along something dangerous to his daughter sending her off toward on her own cycle. That seems to be a theme in the Steel Wool Era, the cycle of trauma.
Yeah, your right. Chica bro and Freddy bro just seem to be standing watching Mike and CasDad hold CC in the bite, so this means two things: CasDad was prob Mikes best friend, He must feel nearly as much guilt as Michael, knowing that he just helped to kill his best friend's little brother.
I love the Fitzgerald theory being mentioned more because it came to mind the moment I saw the "Remember Jeremy" trophy being linked to the Bonnie plush. I'm so happy that people who understand the franchise also came to that same conclusion.
Remember Jeremy is not exclusive to Bonnie plush though. I just finished watching matpat's playthrough, he got the achievement by collecting the first memory (for him it was the puppet). Either playstation handles achievements differently, or its meant to represent the first memory you obtain
@@DeVoidLijAnd that actually backs this theory up more, cause if "remember Jeremy" is for ANY plush, its not just "remember this one dead kid" but remember, Jeremy
This also explains why there’s other Bonnie-centric stuff in the game, such as Bonnie Bowling and you can even win Ruined Glamrock Bonnie as a prize. It also explains the complete lack of Montgomery Gator, Cassie’s Dad still can’t find it in himself to look at the robot reptile after what happened to Bonnie
I like the idea that Michael Afton and his friends put the crying child in Freddy's mouth to try and prove they were harmless. I never thought about it that way
Food for thought: With the Bonnie model we get from the minigames, Bonnie is looking upwards in his "final moments", and with Monty not having his claws at the time of Bonnie getting gibbed, I am pretty sold on Bonnie being offed by Moon. Monty would NOT be the bass player if Bonnie was still functional, so Monty wouldn't have the "bass playing claws" installed, so Monty wouldn't have the hardware to rip open Bonnie. Freddy in Ruin also seems to have the same scratch marks as Bonnie on his chest, so pretty sure it is the same thing. Not to mention Moon being prominent in the Bonnie bowl game. Just some food for thought.
Either way, Monty would have claws. Maybe not as strong, but he would have claws. I mean, Freddy and Roxy both have claws, and Roxy uses them to cause damage despite not being the bass player. Freddy may need an upgrade to have the sharper bass player claws, but even beforehand, if you look at his model, he has claws, even if they’re not the more powerful bass player claws. Assuming claws were always part of Monty’s design, Monty still could destroy Bonnie.
@@DarkShadic9632ok but the emails in short say that monty was given claws so he could replace bonny, which would only be needed if he didn't already have claws
Its not like Monty would need claws to tear apart Bonnie anyhow if he did do it. Staff bots can inflict severe harm on an animatronic as seen in Security Breach, along with the fact that sufficient force can damage them as well, such as getting crushed by a trash compactor, being hit by a go kart or falling from a high area and hitting various things on the way down. When this is taken into account the animatronic don't seem to be all that durable so them being taken apart by another animatronic without any upgrades isn't farfetched.
@@derrickdaniels3955 yeah actually, that makes a lot of sense. we see glam freddy get sliced and diced by staff bots, so why not monty bake w/ me. vanny used staff bots to kill bonnie, and sent monty to bowling to cover it up
Here are a few thoughts I had while watching the video: 1)The Bonnie bully did help carry the crying child towards Fredbear along with Michael in 1983. Maybe he feels as responsible as Michael for being the one to help Michael cause the bite of 83 while the other two bullies were just laughing and watching. 2)It's not impossible for the Bonnie bully to be Jeremy Fitzgerald as based on Phone Guy's call in FNaF 1, he implies the bite of 87 victim did survive. 3)Maybe if Bonnie bully as Jeremy told Mike about his nights, Mike could have seen the opportunity to investigate as Fritz Smith since he would know Jeremy is going to the Dayshift.
Not implied,it’s straight up stated. “The bite of ‘87. It’s amazing the human body can live without the frontal lobe,you know?” That’s as explicit as you can get.
I think Bonnie Bro being Jeremy poses an interesting question: what if William only killed a child named Jeremy because the Bonnie Bro was also named Jeremy. Out of all of the bullies, only two had a part in picking up the BV: Michael and the Bonnie Bro. I could see William holding a grudge against Jeremy more than any of the other bullies (excluding Michael, because William got his revenge against him in a different way). For whatever reason, maybe William was unable to kill him, so instead he decided to kill a child with the same name and stuffed him in Bonnie to match Jeremy’s Bonnie mask as a form of sick retribution. As a result, Bonnie Bro/adult Jeremy might feel some sort of responsibility for the MCI Jeremy’s death and the MCI as a whole, which gives his character even more of a motivation.
This is even funnier with the (obviously not cannon) theory that bonnie bought back. Like William picked this younger kid with the same name cause he would be easier and still got his ass beat 😂
As soon as I heard “What makes you so special” in game for a second time, I immediately envisioned a UA-cam theory thumbnail with those words plastered across it. Thx for beating Matpat to the chase!
"What makes you so special" is an interesting line because if the player is in fact Bonnie Bro, then the animatronics don't know his connection with the dead of the crying child. This also open the possibility to two other "special" people, after all, Michael had more than one friend.
I was thinking if the games main character connects to all the animatronics but I don’t think it works. 1 could be the freddy mask guy or chica mask guy. 2 is bonnie bro 3 doesn’t fit here. 4 is the crying child SL is Mike (foxy mask) PS is the Emily’s UCN is Cassidy It doesn’t fit perfectly but it seems close. Maybe 3 is william, and the bite of 87 is one of the other friends. But it seems a little clunky and forced in.
One thing that I would really like to be explored more is the second MCI. We've gotten so much info about the 6 original victims (plus the crying child and elizabeth) but willaims later victims remain overlooked.
I think this is a fantastic take on what might have happened. It's hilarious how one of Game Theory's most controversial theory looped around to being one of the more widely excepted theory's out there.
I _really_ like this theory. It feels narratively satisfying. I hope this the direction Steel Wool is headed. ID's Fantasy suggested it could be the Jeremy that sliced his own face off in the Help Wanted tapes but either the Bite of 87 Jeremy or game tester Jeremy (assuming they're separate people) works for Candy Cadet's story where a girl encountered a witch, escaped with a scar, and came back for revenge as an adult only to be tricked and consumed. Either way he was injured and eventually destroyed by William Afton's legacy of evil. Though poor Michael if he lost ANOTHER loved one to his father's madness. Poor guy needs a break.
@@dead_necromancer bro got his face cut off with a paper slicer and has no access to remnant, he is DEAD, plain simple, his family wouldn't be the ones filling a lawsuit against fazbear entertainment if he was alive
@@grenouillesupreme there are multiple people named Jeremy in the series, confusing yes, possibly parallels of each other but the Jeremy that she's talking about is the bite of 87 one who didn't die, yk the fnaf 2 speech, I think, about being able to survive without a frontal lobe?
@@lc3670 yeah be at the cost of being terribly disabled, you can't just lose your frontal lobe and live a normal life and get a normal job as a faz technician that needs to be wearing a mask at all times
I think carnie probably has the most accurate description of the protagonist becuase he's the least likely using pre-recorded lines. During the section of fnaf 2 fazerblast he screams about the fire, which would be an odd choice for a pre-recorded line.
I'm starting to think the repeated use of Princess Quest is very important, and that the purpose changes. My current working theory is that the first time it appears it infects the user and creates Vanny, the second time it appears (SB) we have a mutation added to the virus (perhaps Cassidy working her way in to help push out the Glitchtrap influence?), and then the third time we push out the influence of GT fully or destroy it. It would be truly heroic on The Player's part here!
Another tiny point in favour of Cassie's Dad being Bonnie Bro: the sprite has tan skin, brown hair, a red shirt, and blue pants -- exactly how Cassie looks and dresses in Ruin 🤔
I always preffered to have the Crying Child's death as the first one in Fazbears, that would make all of it have a tragic cause (and not make Afton just an overnight "snapped and turned psycho" killer but someone deeper, who starter with "the right intentions" - he didn't but he made himself believe he did - and tumbled down into becoming an irredeemable monster) but also, make the theory more tragc, with Jeremy beeing one of the kids who unintentionally caused not only the bite but... ALL OF IT. All of those tragedies, keeping on leading back to those bullies. Heck we can even have all of the bullies beeing hunted down by Afton, his creations and Glitchtrap - his copycat, intentionally or not. We'd have two down already - Mike and now Jeremy. And maybe even put Elizabeth there for good measure. Who's next? A poetic, tragic symmetry.
One thing I’d like to bring up is some people think the character you play as is actually dead because of the line “look at your hands” because even when you take off the mask your hands are still in AR. So even if Jeremy did you know then we could still be Jeremy
Your hands are still in AR because you're one of those endos with the VR headset on, being trained to work at the pizzaplex. Even if you take off the VANNI mask, you're still wearing the headset. This also explains how glitchtrap seemingly appears in the "real world" in the maskbot ending.
@@AveryHyena the first part is a pretty good idea but with glitch-trap you only see him during the ar pizzeria you can tell because the curtains are new not old even the recharge station is new it’s not until after that you boot up inside of Bonnie bot (mask/map bot) Edit: going back and looking it’s definitely the run down pizzeria but you don’t see a shutdown animation like Freddy only the boot up screen so it’s impossible to tell
@@redwiltshire1816 "you only see him during the ar pizzeria" Nope. During the maskbot ending, your VANNI mask is forcefully taken off and you can see the ruined pizzaria around you. Play it again and look around. You will see that it is a fact you are in the ruined "real life" version. There's even the broken animatronic parts right in front of you on the stage. I'm going to say it again just in case - the VANNI mask is taken off in the ending. This is a fact.
Vanny: What do you mean, you've never seen "Inception"? Like, never? Vanny five minutes later, directing you to the broken pizzeria: Go ahead I promise the top will stop spinning
Freddy not being able to see us has to be important. He must have been able to recognize us if he had seen us, or steelwool wouldn't have made him blind for that game.
My personal theory is that Cassie's Dad was picked to be the replacement for Afton's human body. That's why the animatronics in this game say "What makes you so special?", they're wondering why Cassie's Dad gets the "honour" of replacing him/housing his spirit. That might also explain the ending where you see the charging pod with the human hand coming out of it, foreshadowing Afton's return in a human body (Meanwhile, Cassie's Dad's spirit gets housed in the body of the "Take a mask" bot). EDIT: People have pointed out that if you look in the game files that it's Glitchtrap's hand, It's just the super bright lighting in the scene that makes it look different. I still think the theory might work, with Glitchtrap/Afton still trying to take over Cassie's Dad's body
That makes no logical sense. The same thing that is infecting the animatronics is what is also choosing the body. So why wouldn't they know why he was apparently chosen? They're all the same entity. "foreshadowing Afton's return in a human body" That's not what foreshadowing means. Burntrap never happened and never will happen because Gregory freed Vanessa before it got to that stage. Also, it's not Afton. Never has been. It's the Mimic mimicking Afton.
That is just wrong. It's just under bright lighting, it's definitely Glitchtrap. Glitchtrap's hand shows up all over, why would there be a different hand.
also, the Bonnie-bot Ending seconds the theory. Cassie says: "Weird... it's not a Bonnie-mask." obviously, she felt remembered of her dad and his Bonnie fetish. that's why she expected a Bonnie-mask
I love this theory so much! Bringing back an old unremarkable character, giving them a whole arc and making them the star of the show is genuinely so cool and the kid of thing fnaf has various ways to do and should be doing. I'll be so glad if this theory ends up being true
That idea of Cassie's dad being the Bonnie bully actually makes so much sense. I also want to point out that when we see CC being lifted up to Fredbear, it's Mike and the Bonnie bully doing it specifically. The Chica and Foxy bullies are just standing back watching them so it makes sense that if one of them was gonna be brought back, it would be the Bonnie one who actually put him in Fredbear's mouth. Also going back to Matpat's video on the bite of 87 victim, it's possible that losing your frontal lobe causes you to be fearless so what if this is also what makes him special, the fact that he's not scared to go and investigate.
Slight error in the text. It was the Freddy bully along with the Chica bully who stood by. The Foxy bully is Michael. Speaking of which, I wonder what happened to those two or if they'll be important later.
@@mill2712 Not an error, re-read my original comment and I said it was Mike (Who I know is Foxy Bro) and the Bonnie Bully who did it. Also I wonder if they'll be important too, like I said the Bonnie Bully was the one helping Mike shove him in so it's no surprise he plays a bigger role as he was directly responsible
Combining your Theory and ID Fantasys theory on Jeremy Fritzgerald makes me happy that because of this, we may be able to say there are only 2 Jeremys in the series, MCI Jeremy and Jeremy Fitzgerald (Fnaf 2 security guard, 87 bite victim, Help Wanted 1 Game Tester). :D
Dude idc if this is all completely false, THIS right here is now canon in my head. Your videos are amazing and all your theory videos help me try to understand the lore of this franchise which makes me love it even more! Also I love your cats. #CatParents
Honestly, you and ID are on a similar path after watching both of your videos. I think us playing as a previous Jeremy tracks with one of Freddy's lines if you go back to his mini-game enough, "How many birthdays does little Jimmy have? Or are there more than one Jimmy?" (not exact wording) which stood out to me as a clue. So I wonder if HW2 is telling us that at least 2 of the Jeremys are one character, not a recurring name. You and IDs theories have me seriously considering that Cassie's Dad is possibly both Bonnie Bro and the original VR tester we learn about in HW.
More lines that was barely mentioned here by Mrs. Hippo regarding "your hands", she put more meaning to that phrase than everything else she covered. Making it all the more meaningful when he (as a robot now) takes a double glace at his hand before giving the mask away.
Bonnie bro -> Jeremy -> Cassies dad -> MXES. Its all one person/soul. Theres some proof my theory is here. The "Remember Jeremy" notes are not asking us to remember someone named Jeremy. The notes are us, Jeremy, to remember something. Proof is the "Do you remember?" line. Obviously its FNAF, so its just one stretchy idea. You can interpret these lines and notes in a dozen ways. Edit: OOOOHHH!!! Toast has the same theory!! #validated lmao
This narrative scratches my brain in the best way, I know there are holes to be filled by writing a fan fiction basically but Ive spent a lot of time on AO3 so bring it 😂😂 In all seriousness, The bite of 87 and 83 both being in somewhat relation to Micheal works so well and I think if canon adds a lot more to Michaels motivation showing us that not just his brother dying but also one of if not his best friend getting a lobotomy at his hands in a way for both just gives Micheal all the more reason to fix his mistakes (Again it also does makes very good fanfic 😂😂)
I really hope that this theory is true, it would all make sense. and the way you told the story was so compelling and satisfying. I swear I was about to cry when the player (jeremy?) was handing Cassie the mask, opening the path to her demise with no say in the matter. Amazing video! 10/10!
I wholeheartedly agree with this theory! As someone who was watching along as Rye played Live, he even read out my comment about the ambiguity of the "remember Jeremy" line, so it's super validating to see him include it in his theory!
You and NotReal really need to collab on FNAF fanfiction because you both have a knack for coming up with excellent backstories and alternate realities aka canon correctors. I absolutely love what you've come up with! Like 95% of the fandom, I fully believe that not only is HW2's protagonist is Cassie's dad but he's also the Bonnie Bully from The Bite of 83. On the off chance that William didn't kill the trio after dealing with Michael, they'd all have to live with the guilt and fallout of what they did to Evan. Even if they never faced legal consequences, they'd be known as murderers and treated as such. Cassie's dad could've found comfort in his love of all things Fazbear and deepened his attachment to Bonnie. After growing up and with The Bite of 83 now dismissed as an urban legend or just a bullying incident gone way too far, he'd be comfortable coming back to town and taking a gig at the Pizzaplex. He quickly became an upper tier technician so he'd be the go-to for when things go South. He'd see that things are going awry due to Glitchtrap/Vanny/Mimic's influence and he'd start investigating. The All Staff Meeting happened BUT (I got this detail and idea from Hyper Droid's video) he had just worked yet another 14 hour shift and he wanted to see Cassie before going to sleep, pink slip threat be damned. Realizing that they had missed him when they wiped out the staff, the 3 villains would come up with a Plan B to get him, leading to him being put into the simulator that's HW2 and why Cassie ends up being by herself for so long. He was lured and after removing his VANNI mask and beating PQ4, one or both traps were sprung. He either ended up imprisoned within a claw machine prize or the Mask Bot. Knowing how much FNAF loves tragedy, I'm saying that Cassie's dad has become one with the Mask Bot and he eventually handed Cassie the Mask that would lead to her death or her own imprisonment. As for him being Jeremy Fitzgerald, I think it's plausible. Enough time has passed for medical advancements to be made so he could thrive without a full frontal lobe and the settlement/hush money he'd have gotten from his Bite of 87 (a nice bit of Karma for the Bite of 83 he helped cause...) would've been more than enough for him to move away, go to school, and then become a master engineer. He'd also want to have a child and have that child enjoy Fazbear things like he did, especially after moving back for the Pizzaplex job, but safely. He'd make sure that what happened to all of the kids wouldn't happen to Cassie but...well, you know the rest. It makes me even more interested in what Steel Wool is going to do next with the games. They listen to fan feedback so if this idea gets spread around enough and keeps the positive attention, they may act accordingly or someone on the Dev team may have been testing the waters with the idea and struck gold. We'll see. Merry Christmas Eve Eve and have a great rest of your holidays. Stay Toasty. ❤️
I mean he being Bonnie bro makes sense, especially with Mystic Hippo’s line about ‘looking at his hands, like really looking at them.’ After all, he and Mike were the two who put the Crying Child up there while the other bullies watched. His pair of hands were one of the two that lead to the Crying Child’s end.
I think the theory is really really good and I believe in it as well. But I doubt that it's Jeremy, losing your frontal lobe leaves insane injuries that don't just lead to memory loss but a lot of physical and mental stuff too. Great theory, love your videos
Congratulations on 200k!! You're probably my favorite theorist on UA-camr! I'm inclined to believe alot of things that you talk about in whatever theories you may do. They just make sense in the over-arching story that is FNAF.
I think how circus baby reconizes us is if cassies dad is the bonnie masked bully from fnaf 4, if we are that bully we would know michael since they would most likely be friends, and therfore he would have most likely met/seen Elizebeth and therfore circus baby reconizes you.
I really love this theory, everything slots together so well! Also, i was thinking about the seeming contradiction where the order of the graves in PQ4 implies the MCI kids were killed before Charlotte, but Henry's line "a wound first inflicted on me" implies Charlotte was killed first. I think its because Charlotte is the first confirmed death. The MCI is the 'Missing' Childrens incident, their bodies weren't found. Their parents still had hope they'd see their kids again. Charlotte's body was left outside, she was definitely dead. Henry was the first to experience that true loss and grief, thats the 'wound' he is talking about.
Honestly, I love this, as it answers my biggest question about sister location. Why? Of course if Gregory is just another kid, Vanny would want to kill him, but how would Gregory know not to trust her. Going along with what Matpat was suggesting with the gregbot theory, then Vanny should realize he is a robot due to glitchtrap and not try to kill him. But if the people infected by Glitchtrap can sense one another, and Vanny wants to be the only one, it makes sense why she would hunt Gregory down as soon as he was discovered, and why Gregory didn't trust her. Gregory knows what Vanny is like because he has been covering for her in secret, but then Vanny finds out and hunts him down, going to ridiculous lengths that ruin everything for her. Let me expand upon the theory. If Help Wanted 2 takes place roughly parallel to Security Breach, possibly over the course of many days. Than that means Glitchtrap, and thus Gregory, could have learned about Cassie during Help Wanted 2, but before Security Breach. Security Breach happens, Vanny tries to kill Gregory, but he escapes. Help Wanted 2 finishes around this time, with her dad likely being stranded in the digital space, thanks to Vanny. Now knowing about Cassie, and especially that she had just lost her dad, Gregory then meets Cassie, knowing Vanny is far to dangerous and needs to be replaced. Gregory and Cassie become friends, then Gregory ventures to the mimics lair to teach him his voice and leave his backpack, set things up for Cassie, then kickstarts Ruin.
I think this is your best theory yet, and I believe your connection between Cassie’s Dad and Fitzgerald is definitely worth keeping in the back of our mind. I think I found some damning evidence to support this theory, in fact. Both the names “Fritz” and “Jeremy” appear on the FNAF 6 gravestones. This has annoyed as for over 5 year now, as why would the security guard names and the names of the missing children overlap? Then of course when Jeremy became the name of the masked employee in HW2, it confused us threefold. However, if you recall that the FNAF 6 gravestones align with the heads in the FNAF 3 ending, then we see that Fritz corresponds to the Foxy mask, and Jeremy corresponds to the Bonnie mask. Not only does this correspondence between masks and names line up with who you claim are the security guards in FNAF 2, with Michael, the Foxy bully, naming himself Fritz, and Cassie’s Dad, the Bonnie bully, naming himself Jeremy, but the fact the Five Nights at Freddy’s 3 ending scene uses masks as a symbol ties it into the recent mask imagery in Ruin and HW2 using masks. My theory is thus that both Jeremy and Michael knew about the missing children incident, and they named themselves after the dead kids corresponding their masks in honor of them or to somehow signal that they were on the side of the animatronics. This all feels to me like a retcon on Steel Wool’s part to clear up some of the mysteries of the matching names, but I’m curious to here other’s opinions.
I'm watching this a few minutes after ID's Fantasy's video, and I'm starting to like the theory it's Jeremy from Help Wanted 1, and this is the second part of the witch story playing out.
the mystic hippo lines that are lore relevant just happen when you arent playing the game. when u interact with her its just the showcase. astralspiff went ham trying to get stuff to happen lol
So the Sun phrase can just be a programmed for his work, but this argument can also work for Carnie. It can be just programmed to provoke parents in the carnival to make them play the game and probably lose money trying to get a plushie.
This is a great theory!!!! If this isn’t canon, it should be! You explained this so well and the story is very cool and makes a lot of sense! I love the idea of connecting Jeremy of FNAF 2 (and Jeremy in general since it’s a very important but unexplained name in the lord), the bite of ‘87, and the Bonny bro. I wasn’t too sure how I felt about Bonny Bro being Cassie’s dad but I love how you explain this
16:17 i don't see how having TWO jeremy's in a working in a freddy faz location, getting severealy mauled but lIVING to tell the tale is irrelevant to each other. we never learn that help wanted 1 jeremy dies, he cuts his face off and keeps the mask on. i'm living the "one two jeremy's" truth, he is childhood (or teenhood) bro pals with mike and father of cassie. he has repeated run-ins with freddy fazzies but doesn't get killed himself (he'd have a hand in evan dying, he gets his frontat lobe bitten off, and cuts his face off. we never see him die himself) +also the og bonnie has a jeremy in him based on the pizza sim graveyard and the fnaf 3 animatronic ends ending but its so cool to have all the descriptors of the help wanted mc in one place, excellent work
The backside of the fazwrench has the same code used to acess the Stage 01/Fredbear minigame in FNaF 3, i think this connects the protagonist to Fredbear and the Crying Child, since the FNaf 3 minigames are his memories.
11:40 Assuming he was an early teen in 1983 (and that Security Breach takes place in 2035, as the calendar highly suggests), that would mean he had Cassie when he was around _50._ Not impossible, but unlikely. 16:54 Did you mean "exhibit"?
10:52 in cut vanny lines for this game I believe(?) vanny refers to glitchtrap as a ‘he’ so I def think she’s not referring to him.. worth mentioning the same cut lines (iirc) refer to mimic as an it,, could be talking about the mimic maybe?? Idk
I’ve enjoyed your videos a lot especially your theories. You provide some of the best in my opinion with very good evidence. Please keep it up and I hope you have a lot of future success aside from just FNAF
The idea that there would be some sort of jealousy among the servants of glitch trap would be technically supported by the fact that GGY is called glitch, traps, favorite apprentice. Favoritism, leads to jealousy usually So it could be her being cautious of not having another Gregory incident but also kind of jealous and that she should be the only servant
26:25 sorry, Rye, but I HAVE to stop you here: Cassie wasn't a Bonnie-bro. She was a Roxy-sister. and if we remember the cut-outs from RUIN, her father constantly left Cassie alone in the Pizzaplex (that's why we see her bitterly crying).
Counter argument: First off, yeah I didn't mean obsessed with Bonnie, just Fazbear. Roxy included. But to the other point, wouldn't it be more likely that those crying cutouts are after her father disappeared? Since in the item descriptions she seems to like him perfectly fine
@@RyeToast counter-counter-argument. 😉 Cassie is definitively obsessed with Roxy, as the cut-outs in RUIN prove. heck, she's even dolled up like Roxy. and Roxy alone remembers her birthday and explicitly states: "I'm sure your friends will show up next time." which implicates that Cassie was alone in the Pizzaplex. there's even a hand-written note from her dad, stating he was sorry to leave her alone and she shall take food from the fridge.
Nope, you're both wrong. Cassie is crying in the cutouts in ruin because that was when she had her birthday and no one showed up. Gregory found her and comforted her which is how they became friends. We also know Roxy was there because when she's crying, she still has the makeup on from her makeover. Roxy also tells us to our face when she's being crushed that she was present for Cassie's birthday.
@@remingtonfiore9721 Wrong. The cutouts show her crying, and then Gregory appears to comfort her and give her a tissue. THEN AFTER that, the missing posters appear. Gregory is there when she's crying, so how can you say she's crying because Gregory has gone missing?
Mystic Hippo talking to the HW2 protagonist about his hands - The phrase “Blood on your/his/my hands” will clear things up. “Remember Jeremy” the achievement for the first memory you get has the thumbnail as specifically BONNIE. Jeremy, remember. “What makes you so special?” The three characters saying that are trying to remind Jeremy about what his purpose is. Vanny couldn’t save Jeremy from the claw machine because 1. She’s too big. 2. Moon can’t carry Jeremy.
Freddy bro could be the bite of ‘87 victim since,you know,the gameplay of FNAF 2 is about wearing a Freddy mask. That’s a fun headcanon until we get something more concrete. Also,by the way,Jeremy Fitzgerald is likely phone guy since the messages in FNAF 2 are recorded in summer but the gameplay is in winter and he says the place will be closed and when it reopens he’ll be the new security guard. He’s not Fritz Smith because it says it’s his first day. The implication of the phone calls is whoever was the security guard before Jeremy was likely the bite of ‘87 victim as they’re probably the person these phone calls were recorded for
@@birdmcturd1626 why would Jeremy Fitzgerald be listening to calls recorded by Jeremy Fitzgerald on his first week of the job? Too many logical leaps being taken, Jeremy Fitzgerald is the bite victim and Freddy Mask Bully is currently irrelevant.
@@Lordoftheskies15 Here’s the thing,you’re right that I’m wrong but you’re wrong about why I’m not right. For one,you can literally mute the call in fnaf 2 so maybe he just didn’t listen to them. Or he listened to them to remember what he has to do. However,there is a book about phone guy coming out which has his name as Ralph.
I think the most obvious connection to make here is that "what makes you so special" is being asked because we're the only human employee left. Reading the question like that changes how we try to answer it -- the first question is "why has Fazbear kept us here?" followed by "why would we stay?" It seems like we, personally, are important to either Vanny/Glitchtrap or Fazbear Entertainment, which is an interesting jumping off point for figuring out who we are. The fact that we stay there despite the conditions gives a hint, as well.
This is a super fun and compelling theory, with all the evidence you've brought up its hard not to look at your narrative as being pretty sound and a good possibility. Great video Rye!
Bonnie-Mask Guy theory is so sad. “Do you ever look at your hands? I mean *really* look at your hands.” Cus he thinks he has blood on his hands. Became a FazTech to make sure no animatronic ever malfunctioned and hurt anyone ever again.
This would be amazing if not for one small problem: losing the frontal lobe would change A LOT more than just a bit of memory loss. You’d lose some control of motor skills, basic tasks would be quite difficult (especially those of a technician) and you’d have little control of behavior or any strong emotion, if all is removed then in some cases it can paralyze you.
I was thinking the same thing the other day, what if Jeremy Fitzgerald is Cassie's Dad! Also that made me think "What if he named her daughter Cassie because he remembered vaguely a child named Cassidy in his past?" (Ironically if Cassidy is really the Princess, like i believe, he was trying to help her without knowing it)
One thing that I would really like to be explored more is the second MCI. We've gotten so much info about the 6 original victims (plus the crying child and elizabeth) but willaims later victims remain overlooked.
The whole wet floor bots in ruin are tied into his mind still being in the system, maybe. However, if Jeremy is a reference to Help Wanted 1, then there's a whole other meaning. That Jeremy cut his own face off. Now, that can be interpreted in a few ways, but I've seen a lot of the idea that he did it to get the VR off and escape Glitchtrap. It could mean that this second ending is doing something terrible to yourself (trapping yourself in the game as opposed to being able to interact through Maskbot) in order to get rid of or otherwise avoid Glitchtrap. That would mean that the secret ending is about getting rid of Glitchtrap. If you are giving the mask away at the end, there's something to be said about the parallels of giving up the mask and cutting off your face. It could follow that the second ending puts him in the wetfloor bots and whatever is up with Bonnie versus him living through the Maskbot instead, but that's pure speculation. It could also tie him to Mxes being a good rabbit in the machine who is trying to oppose the Mimic/Glitchtrap.
oh man never thought to look at "remember jeremy" as "hey jeremy remember this?" instead of "do you remember a guy named jeremy" but that's such an easy potentially misunderstood line with many meaning that it would make perfect sense considering this is a fnaf game
The more I think about, the Jeremy is Cassie’s Dad theories kinda remind me of PopGoes, just without the vampire stuff and I can only hope a much better ending for the daughter.
I really liked this theory a lot! It would make a lot of sense imo that they want to connect some characters to some older games. It would make a great narrative. I also really enjoyed Help Wanted 2! Help Wanted was already great, but they really made an even better game!
“Technically, you can live without a frontal lobe. However, you would experience a total paralysis of your cognitive abilities and motor control. In short, you wouldn't be able to reason and form simple thoughts, and you also wouldn't be able to move.” -Google I don’t think he’s Jeremy Fitzgerald
Tbh I think it's really funny that Circus Baby/Elizabeth recognized one of Michael's friends (who she hasn't seen in decades) but she wasn't able to recognize her own brother like wow 😭
mind blowing hope this is real propably people like rye toast, FuhNaff and MattPat are giving inspiration to steelwool studios and Scott for how genius their teories are
I think it's obvious that the games with mask are employee training and the maskless tasks really happen bc the employee is ready to work there. And that employee is Cassie's father who is Bonnie bro from FNAF4. That's why Elizabeth recognizes him and there is a lot of bunny references. He is probably also Jeremy.
Great video. Solid analysis of everything we know- even stuff i had no idea on like Mystic Hippo's lines and pointing out the on record signature. Loved it!
We know people were still working at the sister location during that game, given that two of them died. Perhaps our character worked with them at the time Also, the idea that the second game's protagonist NOT being a false name is awesome The amount of things this theory brings together is truly incredible
Hot take: "What makes you so special" is them asking "why are you literally the only human hired to work here (besides Vanessa) LOL" but it still ends up with the same answer of him being the Bonnie Bully
WAIT A SECOND- You said you don’t think the candy cadet didn’t have much symbolism but I wish to challenge that. I don’t think the girl is Cassie or Vanessa. I think it’s the player- who in this theory is Cassie’s dad + Jeremy+potential Bonnie mask kid as you speculated. So there are a couple possibilities in this theory- previous time in the woods where they got the scar could be; 1) the last time Jeremy worked as a guard and yk got bit and almost died as you explained in another video 2) the Bonnie mask kid is pretty scarred I’d say, from seeing crying child die right in front of him and being semi responsible. Then, they come back to the woods cuz they wanna take down the witch finnally (just as we speculate the player wants to take down glitchtrap for reasons you explain) and is led and tricked into a false sense of security by something. This could talk about a few things, perhaps even things we don’t know about yet. Whatever lured the player in the game. Perhaps referring to the ending- when they go to play princess quest, kinda being tricked into believing they are defeating glitchtrap. The second they pick up that sword, they lost. Just as candy cadet explained the story during ruin, I think it will continue to do that, else they wouldn’t have added it. Although the easy to grab coins does make for a good counterpoint.
oh... damn... this makes so much sense, i love this theory! it feels like it's connecting a lot of loose ends, and even the new ones we got! i mean, it basically explains everything about HW2, about early FNAF2/FNAF1 era AND i believe that this Jeremy (Cassie's dad, being the one from FNAF2) can EVEN be the one from HW1 - like ID's theory, regarding Candy Cadet, where she said that the "woman that almost got caught from a witch but managed to run - though she came back", the "almost got caught" part could be referring how Jeremy almost got caught by Glitchtrap in HW1, that's when he took his face of with the guillotine! then he came back, now in late Pizzaplex/HW2 era to get revenge? though he might end up dying (MaskBot ending from HW2) It feels like everything's coming together, and I love this so much. Also, now I wonder... will the other 2 kids from FNAF 4 minigames (the ones wearing Freddy and Chica masks) come back? I mean, there would almost be no reason, but I believe that it would be a cool excuse for Steel Wool to keep producing FNAF. Like they did with the Bonnie masked kid, where they made 2 "games" (Ruin + HW2) regarding this character's backstory (and also noting that Mike/Foxy masked kid already had his "part" on the story)... they could do the same to the other 2! Cool random idea: Maybe the goal for all of this would be for the 4 of them somehow reunite together, in the very future, and try to save the crying child somehow? This ofc noting that the CC could be saved somehow, maybe they could become a group to end the FNAF story once and for all x) sry my mind went way ahead now ahahaha
Him being cassies dad makes sense. Also aids that cassie and bonnie bully both have similarly dark skin. Would also make sense for william to target one of the bullies' relatives. He couldnt outright target them as it would be clear who killed them, and if he killed charlie for a percieved slight against him by henry that fits too. Its very possible that more if not all of the mci kids were related to the bullies. Or he could've just killed bonnie bully's younger sibling through happenstance similar to how one of dahmers murder victims was the sibling of one of dahmers sexual assualt victims though it wasnt intentional on his part so its not out of the possibility for a killer to unintentionally kill relatives of people they know of.
This is a solid story, for sure. Personally though, I think it's saying that the crying child is named Jeremy. That's what the animatronics are asking if he remembers and why the achievement says Remember Jeremy. The paycheck was a fake name given in memory of Michael's brother.
@@Katosepe Yes but I don’t think he is. The FNAF 2 phone calls (this is the cliff notes version) being recorded in summer when the gameplay is in winter tells us the events aren’t happening in real time. They’re recorded for the person before us,not us. At the end of those phone calls we’re told the place is going to be shut down for a bit and when it reopens phone guy will be the new nighttime security guard. Jeremy Fitzgerald is phone guy’s name.
@@birdmcturd1626 Makes sense. Wouldn't it be great if Scott/Steel Wool discovered there were more than like 10 names total in the world?? Would make things so much easier for us!
Another thing that gets me is Mystic Hippo asks "Have you seen your hands?" and asks it twice. This makes me think that if this is Cassie's Dad, then he's already a security bot that eventually gives her the mask. "What makes you so special?" would be them asking why he's the only one that was put in a security bot and not a wfb (almost called them pat-pats).
I feel like everything except the Montgomery part feels plausible. For Montgomery, he got his claws afterwards, and therefore is very likely not the one responsible, but he still replaces Bonnie, which would likely still upset “Jeremy”. Whether it’s only him not liking him for replacing Bonnie, or blaming him, can be argued, though.
With everyone "asking who we play as in HW2?", it makes me think of the question i had with the first Help Wanted- "If Vanessa is who we play as, and Vanessa is on the therapy CDs....who is tape girl?" Which, now with the HW2 secret ending, confirms something Steel Wool hinted at in one of the SB endings- Vanessa isn't Vanny. Vanny is tape girl. Because TG originally pieced Glitchtrap together, and was going to give tips on how to GET RID of him, & then separated him into the tapes using the last of her control from him. Vanessa puts these (therefore him) back together again, falling under the same fate, until Gregory freed Vanessa, but left Vanny. The secret ending of HW2 seems like tape girl (Vanny) is finally completely free of GT, to do what? No clue. But both women are now free.
Could Cassie's dad be the phone dude? They are both conected by being collectors, having a history with Freddy's and directly with Mike A., since phone dude talked to Mike like if they already know each other, other than the fact that the code from one of the follow me minigames is in the back of the of the fazwrench, and by the way, he could ultimately become the m.x.e.s program if he's consign was kept in the vr world after he's supposed death and or digital possessions
Maybe, but Phone Dude sounds in his early twenties, and Michael's like fifty/sixty years-old, since he was a teenager in the 1980s He would be too young
Thought you guys were talking about Phone Guy for a second and was gonna be like “he’s..he’s dead,guys” but I realise what you mean now. Honestly,not a terrible idea
5:40 no universe that mystic hippo actually does anything 😭 AstralSpiff tried everything for like an hour on it, the voice lines are important but im pretty sure the minigame isnt
Keep in mind that Elizabeth doesn't recognise Michael in SL, so Cassie's dad being a firend of michael doesn't check out as evidence. What DOES make sense however is that he could have potentially been a faz technician for a short while at the SL facility, not one of the two engineers that died, but perhaps he worked there for a short time, which would explain why the SL minigames are there in the first place.
Also think a big hint at being an adult is what Baby DOESN'T do, she doesnt scoop the player. Because baby only scoops children. Kind of gives a big point to the baby ice cream scene. The only scooping from an adult is from Mike in a scooping room.
But the green eyes would suggest Elizabeth is in control. Maybe she doesn’t want to harm anyone unless necessary? Or,more likely,she doesn’t want to risk another soul disrupting her control over Baby
@@birdmcturd1626i dont think elizabeth would have control over what was programmed into the suit itself, mainly because of fnaf 3, despite WA being in the springbonnie suit the suit will still move on its own towards sounds of kids playing
@@birdmcturd1626still reinforces that it’s the bonnie mask kid from fnaf 4 since elizabeth would probably recognize her brother’s (maybe best) friends
@@avo.avocado yeah,I never said it didn’t
@@maelstrom_n That’s a fair point. I will say Elizabeth changing the eye colour is one of the most impressive things we’ve seen a ghost do in this franchise which might mean Elizabeth is more powerful than most but that’s pure speculation
It wouldnt surprise me if sun's "Bad kid! Bad kid!!" Line is just part of him being the daycare guy who works within his programming
I'm inclined to think the same
Maybe the "bad kid" statement could be because of all of Mike's friends, he was the one that helped to put the crying child in fredbear's mouth, like, they are the 2 that have he's blood on their hands (in a more direct way)
Yeah, Sun and Moon don't really strike me as the kind to change their speech patterns when they talk to adults vs children. If you're in the daycare doing daycare activities I figure they'd just assume you ARE a kid, regardless of your actual age or size.
The same could also be applied to Carnie
@@zacksnyder2561it couldn't since Carnie outright says "You look like you have kids"
I think the player character of Help Wanted 2 is the character we play as in Help Wanted 2
True!!
I think you might be on to something
Miles morales shocked image
Woah!!!
You aren't wrong.
I like the Cassie Dad theory, it feels so narratively completing. Cassie's Dad becoming the animatronic that helps bring Cassie to her demise, not being able to stop it or tell her it's him. I really hope this theory is true!
Almost all the fnaf books have a sad ending obviously being a horror so this theory seems so compelling for this franchise
No it's not, we know almost nothing about Cassie's dad as a CHARACTER, thus it could be any character, like a regular security guard "a person who supposed to protect people led one of them into a trap, how completion!".
Also we don't know if Cassie truly dead and lastly she were led into a trap by nonsense plot. How Mimic got a walkie-talkie? How it send a message to her? Why Gregory couldn't connect to her until the end? Start ask questions and you'll see how fast all plot of SB and Ruin will become garbage
@@Mekap_Oblethat’s kinda a lie,personality wise? Eh maybe. But we do know a bunch like his interest in collecting vintage stuff and that bonnie was his favorite
@@Mekap_Obleyea we don’t know a lot about him, that’s why the theory makes sense because if it is true it reveals a lot about his character and who he is. Also it would be really boring if it is just some random dude we’ve never heard of, and to add to that, there is a lot of holes in the story but that’s the point, if we just knew everything then there wouldn’t be a point to continue the story, that’s kinda how story telling works.
@@skelebonez1349we only kown that he likes Bonnie as character that's it lol
Cassie's dad being Jeremy Fitzgerald also makes sense because every single time the name Jeremy is brought up in this franchise, it's always to do with Bonnie. The missing child who possessed Bonnie is theorised to be named "Jeremy" and if our Jeremy is not the Jeremy who cut off his face in HW 1, we can also say he is loosely connected to Bonnie due to Glitchtraps existence.
Also the ironic nature of it being a character named Jeremy cutting his face off, which is similar to a certain FNaF 2 animatronic.
There's just something about Jeremies and their faces
most likely his brother was one of the og mci victim? maybe jeremy the 3rd? or 4th?? a line of cursed jeremys 😢 willy probably targeted him because of the incident
@@meriewanderer That is the fee that one must pay to achieve the legend of Jeremy
that also gives more context to cassie's friendship with roxy, cause of the theory that tangle is the storyteller and is enforcing its data of the animatronic mask (their characters) onto the glamrock animatronics, which in that case would lead to mangle being connected to roxy
From the bite inflictor to a bite victim, than as an old man, he's forced to pass along something dangerous to his daughter sending her off toward on her own cycle.
That seems to be a theme in the Steel Wool Era, the cycle of trauma.
well said
Yeah, your right. Chica bro and Freddy bro just seem to be standing watching Mike and CasDad hold CC in the bite, so this means two things:
CasDad was prob Mikes best friend,
He must feel nearly as much guilt as Michael, knowing that he just helped to kill his best friend's little brother.
I love the Fitzgerald theory being mentioned more because it came to mind the moment I saw the "Remember Jeremy" trophy being linked to the Bonnie plush. I'm so happy that people who understand the franchise also came to that same conclusion.
It makes so much sense.
Yeah
Remember Jeremy is not exclusive to Bonnie plush though. I just finished watching matpat's playthrough, he got the achievement by collecting the first memory (for him it was the puppet). Either playstation handles achievements differently, or its meant to represent the first memory you obtain
@@DeVoidLij The trophy icon is Bonnie though.
@@DeVoidLijAnd that actually backs this theory up more, cause if "remember Jeremy" is for ANY plush, its not just "remember this one dead kid" but remember, Jeremy
This also explains why there’s other Bonnie-centric stuff in the game, such as Bonnie Bowling and you can even win Ruined Glamrock Bonnie as a prize. It also explains the complete lack of Montgomery Gator, Cassie’s Dad still can’t find it in himself to look at the robot reptile after what happened to Bonnie
There’s also a bowling animation where the Monty ball crushes the Bonnie one
I like the idea that Michael Afton and his friends put the crying child in Freddy's mouth to try and prove they were harmless. I never thought about it that way
Food for thought:
With the Bonnie model we get from the minigames, Bonnie is looking upwards in his "final moments", and with Monty not having his claws at the time of Bonnie getting gibbed, I am pretty sold on Bonnie being offed by Moon.
Monty would NOT be the bass player if Bonnie was still functional, so Monty wouldn't have the "bass playing claws" installed, so Monty wouldn't have the hardware to rip open Bonnie. Freddy in Ruin also seems to have the same scratch marks as Bonnie on his chest, so pretty sure it is the same thing.
Not to mention Moon being prominent in the Bonnie bowl game. Just some food for thought.
I don't care about Bonnie
Either way, Monty would have claws. Maybe not as strong, but he would have claws. I mean, Freddy and Roxy both have claws, and Roxy uses them to cause damage despite not being the bass player. Freddy may need an upgrade to have the sharper bass player claws, but even beforehand, if you look at his model, he has claws, even if they’re not the more powerful bass player claws. Assuming claws were always part of Monty’s design, Monty still could destroy Bonnie.
@@DarkShadic9632ok but the emails in short say that monty was given claws so he could replace bonny, which would only be needed if he didn't already have claws
Its not like Monty would need claws to tear apart Bonnie anyhow if he did do it. Staff bots can inflict severe harm on an animatronic as seen in Security Breach, along with the fact that sufficient force can damage them as well, such as getting crushed by a trash compactor, being hit by a go kart or falling from a high area and hitting various things on the way down. When this is taken into account the animatronic don't seem to be all that durable so them being taken apart by another animatronic without any upgrades isn't farfetched.
@@derrickdaniels3955 yeah actually, that makes a lot of sense. we see glam freddy get sliced and diced by staff bots, so why not monty
bake w/ me. vanny used staff bots to kill bonnie, and sent monty to bowling to cover it up
Here are a few thoughts I had while watching the video:
1)The Bonnie bully did help carry the crying child towards Fredbear along with Michael in 1983. Maybe he feels as responsible as Michael for being the one to help Michael cause the bite of 83 while the other two bullies were just laughing and watching.
2)It's not impossible for the Bonnie bully to be Jeremy Fitzgerald as based on Phone Guy's call in FNaF 1, he implies the bite of 87 victim did survive.
3)Maybe if Bonnie bully as Jeremy told Mike about his nights, Mike could have seen the opportunity to investigate as Fritz Smith since he would know Jeremy is going to the Dayshift.
Bro just wrote what RyeToast said throughout the video
Not implied,it’s straight up stated. “The bite of ‘87. It’s amazing the human body can live without the frontal lobe,you know?” That’s as explicit as you can get.
rye literally said this in the video
I want to delete this comment...SO MUCH NOW!
@@The12thCrashmaster No. *Most annoying laughter you could imagine*
I think Bonnie Bro being Jeremy poses an interesting question: what if William only killed a child named Jeremy because the Bonnie Bro was also named Jeremy. Out of all of the bullies, only two had a part in picking up the BV: Michael and the Bonnie Bro. I could see William holding a grudge against Jeremy more than any of the other bullies (excluding Michael, because William got his revenge against him in a different way). For whatever reason, maybe William was unable to kill him, so instead he decided to kill a child with the same name and stuffed him in Bonnie to match Jeremy’s Bonnie mask as a form of sick retribution. As a result, Bonnie Bro/adult Jeremy might feel some sort of responsibility for the MCI Jeremy’s death and the MCI as a whole, which gives his character even more of a motivation.
^^ I like this idea.
^^ I like this idea.
That sounds very possible.
That’s a good theory. A symbolic revenge.
This is even funnier with the (obviously not cannon) theory that bonnie bought back. Like William picked this younger kid with the same name cause he would be easier and still got his ass beat 😂
As soon as I heard “What makes you so special” in game for a second time, I immediately envisioned a UA-cam theory thumbnail with those words plastered across it. Thx for beating Matpat to the chase!
We're on the case!
"What makes you so special" is an interesting line because if the player is in fact Bonnie Bro, then the animatronics don't know his connection with the dead of the crying child.
This also open the possibility to two other "special" people, after all, Michael had more than one friend.
I suppose it does, but I feel like they wouldn’t be AS special, since Bonnie bully helped carry cc
I was thinking if the games main character connects to all the animatronics but I don’t think it works.
1 could be the freddy mask guy or chica mask guy.
2 is bonnie bro
3 doesn’t fit here.
4 is the crying child
SL is Mike (foxy mask)
PS is the Emily’s
UCN is Cassidy
It doesn’t fit perfectly but it seems close. Maybe 3 is william, and the bite of 87 is one of the other friends. But it seems a little clunky and forced in.
Moon sounds pretty resentful when he says it. Like you’ve been picked by someone and he knows it, but he just doesn’t understand WHY.
i swear the fnaf lore writers are having so much fun watching us try to figure out the lore
One thing that I would really like to be explored more is the second MCI. We've gotten so much info about the 6 original victims (plus the crying child and elizabeth) but willaims later victims remain overlooked.
I think this is a fantastic take on what might have happened. It's hilarious how one of Game Theory's most controversial theory looped around to being one of the more widely excepted theory's out there.
I _really_ like this theory. It feels narratively satisfying. I hope this the direction Steel Wool is headed. ID's Fantasy suggested it could be the Jeremy that sliced his own face off in the Help Wanted tapes but either the Bite of 87 Jeremy or game tester Jeremy (assuming they're separate people) works for Candy Cadet's story where a girl encountered a witch, escaped with a scar, and came back for revenge as an adult only to be tricked and consumed. Either way he was injured and eventually destroyed by William Afton's legacy of evil. Though poor Michael if he lost ANOTHER loved one to his father's madness. Poor guy needs a break.
What the hell is she talking about ? This jeremy died 3 games before help wanted 2
@@grenouillesupremedid it ever say he died or just that he didn’t come back to testing also we can’t forget remnant and all that weird confusing magic
@@dead_necromancer bro got his face cut off with a paper slicer and has no access to remnant, he is DEAD, plain simple, his family wouldn't be the ones filling a lawsuit against fazbear entertainment if he was alive
@@grenouillesupreme there are multiple people named Jeremy in the series, confusing yes, possibly parallels of each other but the Jeremy that she's talking about is the bite of 87 one who didn't die, yk the fnaf 2 speech, I think, about being able to survive without a frontal lobe?
@@lc3670 yeah be at the cost of being terribly disabled, you can't just lose your frontal lobe and live a normal life and get a normal job as a faz technician that needs to be wearing a mask at all times
I think carnie probably has the most accurate description of the protagonist becuase he's the least likely using pre-recorded lines. During the section of fnaf 2 fazerblast he screams about the fire, which would be an odd choice for a pre-recorded line.
I fully agree, he really reminds me of theme park animatronics that are janky and have an operator who talks through them and is hidden nearby
The "It needs you" line could be Glitchtrap in a desperate state without Vanny and is relying on what you do as the player in order to survive.
Right and maybe this is supposed to be a way for him to choose between who he ends up helping
I'm starting to think the repeated use of Princess Quest is very important, and that the purpose changes. My current working theory is that the first time it appears it infects the user and creates Vanny, the second time it appears (SB) we have a mutation added to the virus (perhaps Cassidy working her way in to help push out the Glitchtrap influence?), and then the third time we push out the influence of GT fully or destroy it. It would be truly heroic on The Player's part here!
Another tiny point in favour of Cassie's Dad being Bonnie Bro: the sprite has tan skin, brown hair, a red shirt, and blue pants -- exactly how Cassie looks and dresses in Ruin 🤔
LORE!!!
isn't he like the only noteworthy character with a non-white skin complexion too? If so then yeah, that adds to it as well.
Exactly what I was thinking!
@@ろうにん浪人 no, the Chica mask bully also has dark skin 😭
I always preffered to have the Crying Child's death as the first one in Fazbears, that would make all of it have a tragic cause (and not make Afton just an overnight "snapped and turned psycho" killer but someone deeper, who starter with "the right intentions" - he didn't but he made himself believe he did - and tumbled down into becoming an irredeemable monster) but also, make the theory more tragc, with Jeremy beeing one of the kids who unintentionally caused not only the bite but... ALL OF IT. All of those tragedies, keeping on leading back to those bullies. Heck we can even have all of the bullies beeing hunted down by Afton, his creations and Glitchtrap - his copycat, intentionally or not. We'd have two down already - Mike and now Jeremy. And maybe even put Elizabeth there for good measure. Who's next?
A poetic, tragic symmetry.
One thing I’d like to bring up is some people think the character you play as is actually dead because of the line “look at your hands” because even when you take off the mask your hands are still in AR. So even if Jeremy did you know then we could still be Jeremy
Meh
Your hands are still in AR because you're one of those endos with the VR headset on, being trained to work at the pizzaplex.
Even if you take off the VANNI mask, you're still wearing the headset.
This also explains how glitchtrap seemingly appears in the "real world" in the maskbot ending.
@@AveryHyena the first part is a pretty good idea but with glitch-trap you only see him during the ar pizzeria you can tell because the curtains are new not old even the recharge station is new it’s not until after that you boot up inside of Bonnie bot (mask/map bot)
Edit: going back and looking it’s definitely the run down pizzeria but you don’t see a shutdown animation like Freddy only the boot up screen so it’s impossible to tell
@@redwiltshire1816 "you only see him during the ar pizzeria" Nope. During the maskbot ending, your VANNI mask is forcefully taken off and you can see the ruined pizzaria around you. Play it again and look around. You will see that it is a fact you are in the ruined "real life" version. There's even the broken animatronic parts right in front of you on the stage.
I'm going to say it again just in case - the VANNI mask is taken off in the ending. This is a fact.
Vanny: What do you mean, you've never seen "Inception"? Like, never?
Vanny five minutes later, directing you to the broken pizzeria: Go ahead I promise the top will stop spinning
I had the same thought about "Remember Jeremy", that it's not about remembering the character but the character itself having to remember something!
Freddy not being able to see us has to be important. He must have been able to recognize us if he had seen us, or steelwool wouldn't have made him blind for that game.
My personal theory is that Cassie's Dad was picked to be the replacement for Afton's human body. That's why the animatronics in this game say "What makes you so special?", they're wondering why Cassie's Dad gets the "honour" of replacing him/housing his spirit. That might also explain the ending where you see the charging pod with the human hand coming out of it, foreshadowing Afton's return in a human body (Meanwhile, Cassie's Dad's spirit gets housed in the body of the "Take a mask" bot).
EDIT: People have pointed out that if you look in the game files that it's Glitchtrap's hand, It's just the super bright lighting in the scene that makes it look different. I still think the theory might work, with Glitchtrap/Afton still trying to take over Cassie's Dad's body
That's not a human hand, someone looked into the game files and it's Glitchtraps
@@christophergirardi8145if you have eyes you'll see that it looks human, not a gloved hand.
That makes no logical sense. The same thing that is infecting the animatronics is what is also choosing the body. So why wouldn't they know why he was apparently chosen? They're all the same entity.
"foreshadowing Afton's return in a human body" That's not what foreshadowing means. Burntrap never happened and never will happen because Gregory freed Vanessa before it got to that stage. Also, it's not Afton. Never has been. It's the Mimic mimicking Afton.
That is just wrong. It's just under bright lighting, it's definitely Glitchtrap. Glitchtrap's hand shows up all over, why would there be a different hand.
also, the Bonnie-bot Ending seconds the theory. Cassie says: "Weird... it's not a Bonnie-mask." obviously, she felt remembered of her dad and his Bonnie fetish. that's why she expected a Bonnie-mask
I love this theory so much! Bringing back an old unremarkable character, giving them a whole arc and making them the star of the show is genuinely so cool and the kid of thing fnaf has various ways to do and should be doing. I'll be so glad if this theory ends up being true
That idea of Cassie's dad being the Bonnie bully actually makes so much sense. I also want to point out that when we see CC being lifted up to Fredbear, it's Mike and the Bonnie bully doing it specifically. The Chica and Foxy bullies are just standing back watching them so it makes sense that if one of them was gonna be brought back, it would be the Bonnie one who actually put him in Fredbear's mouth. Also going back to Matpat's video on the bite of 87 victim, it's possible that losing your frontal lobe causes you to be fearless so what if this is also what makes him special, the fact that he's not scared to go and investigate.
Slight error in the text. It was the Freddy bully along with the Chica bully who stood by. The Foxy bully is Michael.
Speaking of which, I wonder what happened to those two or if they'll be important later.
@@mill2712 Not an error, re-read my original comment and I said it was Mike (Who I know is Foxy Bro) and the Bonnie Bully who did it. Also I wonder if they'll be important too, like I said the Bonnie Bully was the one helping Mike shove him in so it's no surprise he plays a bigger role as he was directly responsible
Combining your Theory and ID Fantasys theory on Jeremy Fritzgerald makes me happy that because of this, we may be able to say there are only 2 Jeremys in the series, MCI Jeremy and Jeremy Fitzgerald (Fnaf 2 security guard, 87 bite victim, Help Wanted 1 Game Tester). :D
Help wanted 1 Jeremy dead
Dude idc if this is all completely false, THIS right here is now canon in my head. Your videos are amazing and all your theory videos help me try to understand the lore of this franchise which makes me love it even more! Also I love your cats. #CatParents
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Honestly, you and ID are on a similar path after watching both of your videos. I think us playing as a previous Jeremy tracks with one of Freddy's lines if you go back to his mini-game enough, "How many birthdays does little Jimmy have? Or are there more than one Jimmy?" (not exact wording) which stood out to me as a clue. So I wonder if HW2 is telling us that at least 2 of the Jeremys are one character, not a recurring name. You and IDs theories have me seriously considering that Cassie's Dad is possibly both Bonnie Bro and the original VR tester we learn about in HW.
i really appreciate your ability to tell a story in all your theories, this one i feel really knocked it out of the park
More lines that was barely mentioned here by Mrs. Hippo regarding "your hands", she put more meaning to that phrase than everything else she covered. Making it all the more meaningful when he (as a robot now) takes a double glace at his hand before giving the mask away.
Bonnie bro -> Jeremy -> Cassies dad -> MXES. Its all one person/soul.
Theres some proof my theory is here. The "Remember Jeremy" notes are not asking us to remember someone named Jeremy. The notes are us, Jeremy, to remember something. Proof is the "Do you remember?" line. Obviously its FNAF, so its just one stretchy idea. You can interpret these lines and notes in a dozen ways.
Edit: OOOOHHH!!! Toast has the same theory!! #validated lmao
This narrative scratches my brain in the best way, I know there are holes to be filled by writing a fan fiction basically but Ive spent a lot of time on AO3 so bring it 😂😂
In all seriousness, The bite of 87 and 83 both being in somewhat relation to Micheal works so well and I think if canon adds a lot more to Michaels motivation showing us that not just his brother dying but also one of if not his best friend getting a lobotomy at his hands in a way for both just gives Micheal all the more reason to fix his mistakes
(Again it also does makes very good fanfic 😂😂)
Jeremy is special because he's apart of a cannon event. That being "The Bite of 83"
I really hope that this theory is true, it would all make sense. and the way you told the story was so compelling and satisfying. I swear I was about to cry when the player (jeremy?) was handing Cassie the mask, opening the path to her demise with no say in the matter. Amazing video! 10/10!
I wholeheartedly agree with this theory! As someone who was watching along as Rye played Live, he even read out my comment about the ambiguity of the "remember Jeremy" line, so it's super validating to see him include it in his theory!
You and NotReal really need to collab on FNAF fanfiction because you both have a knack for coming up with excellent backstories and alternate realities aka canon correctors. I absolutely love what you've come up with! Like 95% of the fandom, I fully believe that not only is HW2's protagonist is Cassie's dad but he's also the Bonnie Bully from The Bite of 83. On the off chance that William didn't kill the trio after dealing with Michael, they'd all have to live with the guilt and fallout of what they did to Evan. Even if they never faced legal consequences, they'd be known as murderers and treated as such. Cassie's dad could've found comfort in his love of all things Fazbear and deepened his attachment to Bonnie. After growing up and with The Bite of 83 now dismissed as an urban legend or just a bullying incident gone way too far, he'd be comfortable coming back to town and taking a gig at the Pizzaplex. He quickly became an upper tier technician so he'd be the go-to for when things go South. He'd see that things are going awry due to Glitchtrap/Vanny/Mimic's influence and he'd start investigating. The All Staff Meeting happened BUT (I got this detail and idea from Hyper Droid's video) he had just worked yet another 14 hour shift and he wanted to see Cassie before going to sleep, pink slip threat be damned. Realizing that they had missed him when they wiped out the staff, the 3 villains would come up with a Plan B to get him, leading to him being put into the simulator that's HW2 and why Cassie ends up being by herself for so long. He was lured and after removing his VANNI mask and beating PQ4, one or both traps were sprung. He either ended up imprisoned within a claw machine prize or the Mask Bot. Knowing how much FNAF loves tragedy, I'm saying that Cassie's dad has become one with the Mask Bot and he eventually handed Cassie the Mask that would lead to her death or her own imprisonment. As for him being Jeremy Fitzgerald, I think it's plausible. Enough time has passed for medical advancements to be made so he could thrive without a full frontal lobe and the settlement/hush money he'd have gotten from his Bite of 87 (a nice bit of Karma for the Bite of 83 he helped cause...) would've been more than enough for him to move away, go to school, and then become a master engineer. He'd also want to have a child and have that child enjoy Fazbear things like he did, especially after moving back for the Pizzaplex job, but safely. He'd make sure that what happened to all of the kids wouldn't happen to Cassie but...well, you know the rest. It makes me even more interested in what Steel Wool is going to do next with the games. They listen to fan feedback so if this idea gets spread around enough and keeps the positive attention, they may act accordingly or someone on the Dev team may have been testing the waters with the idea and struck gold. We'll see. Merry Christmas Eve Eve and have a great rest of your holidays. Stay Toasty. ❤️
Same I really love this theory too. And happy holidays.
I mean he being Bonnie bro makes sense, especially with Mystic Hippo’s line about ‘looking at his hands, like really looking at them.’
After all, he and Mike were the two who put the Crying Child up there while the other bullies watched. His pair of hands were one of the two that lead to the Crying Child’s end.
I think the theory is really really good and I believe in it as well. But I doubt that it's Jeremy, losing your frontal lobe leaves insane injuries that don't just lead to memory loss but a lot of physical and mental stuff too. Great theory, love your videos
It does, but we ARE in fnaf and this game takes place in the future so I wouldn’t say it’s too unlikely
Thanks again for crediting where you got the audio from. Love the video!
Congratulations on 200k!! You're probably my favorite theorist on UA-camr! I'm inclined to believe alot of things that you talk about in whatever theories you may do. They just make sense in the over-arching story that is FNAF.
I think how circus baby reconizes us is if cassies dad is the bonnie masked bully from fnaf 4, if we are that bully we would know michael since they would most likely be friends, and therfore he would have most likely met/seen Elizebeth and therfore circus baby reconizes you.
I really love this theory, everything slots together so well!
Also, i was thinking about the seeming contradiction where the order of the graves in PQ4 implies the MCI kids were killed before Charlotte, but Henry's line "a wound first inflicted on me" implies Charlotte was killed first. I think its because Charlotte is the first confirmed death. The MCI is the 'Missing' Childrens incident, their bodies weren't found. Their parents still had hope they'd see their kids again. Charlotte's body was left outside, she was definitely dead. Henry was the first to experience that true loss and grief, thats the 'wound' he is talking about.
Honestly, I love this, as it answers my biggest question about sister location. Why?
Of course if Gregory is just another kid, Vanny would want to kill him, but how would Gregory know not to trust her.
Going along with what Matpat was suggesting with the gregbot theory, then Vanny should realize he is a robot due to glitchtrap and not try to kill him.
But if the people infected by Glitchtrap can sense one another, and Vanny wants to be the only one, it makes sense why she would hunt Gregory down as soon as he was discovered, and why Gregory didn't trust her. Gregory knows what Vanny is like because he has been covering for her in secret, but then Vanny finds out and hunts him down, going to ridiculous lengths that ruin everything for her.
Let me expand upon the theory. If Help Wanted 2 takes place roughly parallel to Security Breach, possibly over the course of many days. Than that means Glitchtrap, and thus Gregory, could have learned about Cassie during Help Wanted 2, but before Security Breach. Security Breach happens, Vanny tries to kill Gregory, but he escapes. Help Wanted 2 finishes around this time, with her dad likely being stranded in the digital space, thanks to Vanny. Now knowing about Cassie, and especially that she had just lost her dad, Gregory then meets Cassie, knowing Vanny is far to dangerous and needs to be replaced. Gregory and Cassie become friends, then Gregory ventures to the mimics lair to teach him his voice and leave his backpack, set things up for Cassie, then kickstarts Ruin.
100% agree with this theory, it just makes so much sense from a narrative standpoint (which most of the times it's hard to say in this franchise😂)
I think this is your best theory yet, and I believe your connection between Cassie’s Dad and Fitzgerald is definitely worth keeping in the back of our mind.
I think I found some damning evidence to support this theory, in fact. Both the names “Fritz” and “Jeremy” appear on the FNAF 6 gravestones. This has annoyed as for over 5 year now, as why would the security guard names and the names of the missing children overlap? Then of course when Jeremy became the name of the masked employee in HW2, it confused us threefold. However, if you recall that the FNAF 6 gravestones align with the heads in the FNAF 3 ending, then we see that Fritz corresponds to the Foxy mask, and Jeremy corresponds to the Bonnie mask. Not only does this correspondence between masks and names line up with who you claim are the security guards in FNAF 2, with Michael, the Foxy bully, naming himself Fritz, and Cassie’s Dad, the Bonnie bully, naming himself Jeremy, but the fact the Five Nights at Freddy’s 3 ending scene uses masks as a symbol ties it into the recent mask imagery in Ruin and HW2 using masks. My theory is thus that both Jeremy and Michael knew about the missing children incident, and they named themselves after the dead kids corresponding their masks in honor of them or to somehow signal that they were on the side of the animatronics. This all feels to me like a retcon on Steel Wool’s part to clear up some of the mysteries of the matching names, but I’m curious to here other’s opinions.
I'm watching this a few minutes after ID's Fantasy's video, and I'm starting to like the theory it's Jeremy from Help Wanted 1, and this is the second part of the witch story playing out.
I haven't heard the idea that the Vanny ending is her taking the piece of Glitchtrap *from Jeremy* before but it's SO GOOD
the mystic hippo lines that are lore relevant just happen when you arent playing the game. when u interact with her its just the showcase. astralspiff went ham trying to get stuff to happen lol
Thats really funny
So the Sun phrase can just be a programmed for his work, but this argument can also work for Carnie. It can be just programmed to provoke parents in the carnival to make them play the game and probably lose money trying to get a plushie.
This is a great theory!!!! If this isn’t canon, it should be! You explained this so well and the story is very cool and makes a lot of sense! I love the idea of connecting Jeremy of FNAF 2 (and Jeremy in general since it’s a very important but unexplained name in the lord), the bite of ‘87, and the Bonny bro. I wasn’t too sure how I felt about Bonny Bro being Cassie’s dad but I love how you explain this
16:17 i don't see how having TWO jeremy's in a working in a freddy faz location, getting severealy mauled but lIVING to tell the tale is irrelevant to each other. we never learn that help wanted 1 jeremy dies, he cuts his face off and keeps the mask on. i'm living the "one two jeremy's" truth, he is childhood (or teenhood) bro pals with mike and father of cassie. he has repeated run-ins with freddy fazzies but doesn't get killed himself (he'd have a hand in evan dying, he gets his frontat lobe bitten off, and cuts his face off. we never see him die himself)
+also the og bonnie has a jeremy in him based on the pizza sim graveyard and the fnaf 3 animatronic ends ending
but its so cool to have all the descriptors of the help wanted mc in one place, excellent work
The backside of the fazwrench has the same code used to acess the Stage 01/Fredbear minigame in FNaF 3, i think this connects the protagonist to Fredbear and the Crying Child, since the FNaf 3 minigames are his memories.
11:40 Assuming he was an early teen in 1983 (and that Security Breach takes place in 2035, as the calendar highly suggests), that would mean he had Cassie when he was around _50._ Not impossible, but unlikely.
16:54 Did you mean "exhibit"?
I also agree it was meant to say "Remember, Jeremy." Not "Remember about Jeremy."
10:52 in cut vanny lines for this game I believe(?) vanny refers to glitchtrap as a ‘he’ so I def think she’s not referring to him.. worth mentioning the same cut lines (iirc) refer to mimic as an it,, could be talking about the mimic maybe?? Idk
I’ve enjoyed your videos a lot especially your theories. You provide some of the best in my opinion with very good evidence. Please keep it up and I hope you have a lot of future success aside from just FNAF
The idea that there would be some sort of jealousy among the servants of glitch trap would be technically supported by the fact that GGY is called glitch, traps, favorite apprentice.
Favoritism, leads to jealousy usually
So it could be her being cautious of not having another Gregory incident but also kind of jealous and that she should be the only servant
26:25 sorry, Rye, but I HAVE to stop you here: Cassie wasn't a Bonnie-bro. She was a Roxy-sister. and if we remember the cut-outs from RUIN, her father constantly left Cassie alone in the Pizzaplex (that's why we see her bitterly crying).
Counter argument:
First off, yeah I didn't mean obsessed with Bonnie, just Fazbear. Roxy included. But to the other point, wouldn't it be more likely that those crying cutouts are after her father disappeared? Since in the item descriptions she seems to like him perfectly fine
@@RyeToast counter-counter-argument. 😉 Cassie is definitively obsessed with Roxy, as the cut-outs in RUIN prove. heck, she's even dolled up like Roxy. and Roxy alone remembers her birthday and explicitly states: "I'm sure your friends will show up next time." which implicates that Cassie was alone in the Pizzaplex. there's even a hand-written note from her dad, stating he was sorry to leave her alone and she shall take food from the fridge.
@@RyeToastvisually it seems more like she’s crying because Gregory is missing as the missing posters pop up when the crying Cassie appears
Nope, you're both wrong. Cassie is crying in the cutouts in ruin because that was when she had her birthday and no one showed up. Gregory found her and comforted her which is how they became friends. We also know Roxy was there because when she's crying, she still has the makeup on from her makeover. Roxy also tells us to our face when she's being crushed that she was present for Cassie's birthday.
@@remingtonfiore9721 Wrong. The cutouts show her crying, and then Gregory appears to comfort her and give her a tissue. THEN AFTER that, the missing posters appear.
Gregory is there when she's crying, so how can you say she's crying because Gregory has gone missing?
Mystic Hippo talking to the HW2 protagonist about his hands - The phrase “Blood on your/his/my hands” will clear things up.
“Remember Jeremy” the achievement for the first memory you get has the thumbnail as specifically BONNIE. Jeremy, remember.
“What makes you so special?” The three characters saying that are trying to remind Jeremy about what his purpose is.
Vanny couldn’t save Jeremy from the claw machine because 1. She’s too big. 2. Moon can’t carry Jeremy.
If Cassie's dad is Bonnie Bro then I can't help but wonder if later on we'll see what happens to the Chica and Freddy bros.
Right?
Freddy bro could be the bite of ‘87 victim since,you know,the gameplay of FNAF 2 is about wearing a Freddy mask. That’s a fun headcanon until we get something more concrete. Also,by the way,Jeremy Fitzgerald is likely phone guy since the messages in FNAF 2 are recorded in summer but the gameplay is in winter and he says the place will be closed and when it reopens he’ll be the new security guard. He’s not Fritz Smith because it says it’s his first day. The implication of the phone calls is whoever was the security guard before Jeremy was likely the bite of ‘87 victim as they’re probably the person these phone calls were recorded for
@@birdmcturd1626 why would Jeremy Fitzgerald be listening to calls recorded by Jeremy Fitzgerald on his first week of the job? Too many logical leaps being taken, Jeremy Fitzgerald is the bite victim and Freddy Mask Bully is currently irrelevant.
@@Lordoftheskies15 Here’s the thing,you’re right that I’m wrong but you’re wrong about why I’m not right. For one,you can literally mute the call in fnaf 2 so maybe he just didn’t listen to them. Or he listened to them to remember what he has to do. However,there is a book about phone guy coming out which has his name as Ralph.
I think the most obvious connection to make here is that "what makes you so special" is being asked because we're the only human employee left. Reading the question like that changes how we try to answer it -- the first question is "why has Fazbear kept us here?" followed by "why would we stay?"
It seems like we, personally, are important to either Vanny/Glitchtrap or Fazbear Entertainment, which is an interesting jumping off point for figuring out who we are. The fact that we stay there despite the conditions gives a hint, as well.
This is a super fun and compelling theory, with all the evidence you've brought up its hard not to look at your narrative as being pretty sound and a good possibility. Great video Rye!
Bonnie-Mask Guy theory is so sad. “Do you ever look at your hands? I mean *really* look at your hands.” Cus he thinks he has blood on his hands. Became a FazTech to make sure no animatronic ever malfunctioned and hurt anyone ever again.
*You have me inspired to start making vids.* Much love and major props to you Toast 😇🤑
Toast
This would be amazing if not for one small problem: losing the frontal lobe would change A LOT more than just a bit of memory loss. You’d lose some control of motor skills, basic tasks would be quite difficult (especially those of a technician) and you’d have little control of behavior or any strong emotion, if all is removed then in some cases it can paralyze you.
I was thinking the same thing the other day, what if Jeremy Fitzgerald is Cassie's Dad! Also that made me think "What if he named her daughter Cassie because he remembered vaguely a child named Cassidy in his past?" (Ironically if Cassidy is really the Princess, like i believe, he was trying to help her without knowing it)
Hes to old to have kids, you have to be at least 18 to work in 1987
@@pumpksi If his wife is younger, he can have kids in his 50s, it's unlikely after circa 45, but not impossibile
@@riccianc true
10:54 What does he say here? "I trust our queen Mystic Hippo ____"?
I assume he meant to say "implicitly"
One thing that I would really like to be explored more is the second MCI. We've gotten so much info about the 6 original victims (plus the crying child and elizabeth) but willaims later victims remain overlooked.
Ooooooh, the jazz in the background for this one is much fun! Really suits Rye's content!
The whole wet floor bots in ruin are tied into his mind still being in the system, maybe. However, if Jeremy is a reference to Help Wanted 1, then there's a whole other meaning. That Jeremy cut his own face off. Now, that can be interpreted in a few ways, but I've seen a lot of the idea that he did it to get the VR off and escape Glitchtrap. It could mean that this second ending is doing something terrible to yourself (trapping yourself in the game as opposed to being able to interact through Maskbot) in order to get rid of or otherwise avoid Glitchtrap. That would mean that the secret ending is about getting rid of Glitchtrap. If you are giving the mask away at the end, there's something to be said about the parallels of giving up the mask and cutting off your face. It could follow that the second ending puts him in the wetfloor bots and whatever is up with Bonnie versus him living through the Maskbot instead, but that's pure speculation. It could also tie him to Mxes being a good rabbit in the machine who is trying to oppose the Mimic/Glitchtrap.
oh man never thought to look at "remember jeremy" as "hey jeremy remember this?" instead of "do you remember a guy named jeremy" but that's such an easy potentially misunderstood line with many meaning that it would make perfect sense considering this is a fnaf game
RyeToast…this is amazing. You made this so much easier to understand! I was so confused before, but you made it make so much sense. I believe this
I'm glad
The more I think about, the Jeremy is Cassie’s Dad theories kinda remind me of PopGoes, just without the vampire stuff and I can only hope a much better ending for the daughter.
I really liked this theory a lot! It would make a lot of sense imo that they want to connect some characters to some older games. It would make a great narrative. I also really enjoyed Help Wanted 2! Help Wanted was already great, but they really made an even better game!
“Technically, you can live without a frontal lobe. However, you would experience a total paralysis of your cognitive abilities and motor control. In short, you wouldn't be able to reason and form simple thoughts, and you also wouldn't be able to move.” -Google
I don’t think he’s Jeremy Fitzgerald
Tbh I think it's really funny that Circus Baby/Elizabeth recognized one of Michael's friends (who she hasn't seen in decades) but she wasn't able to recognize her own brother like wow 😭
mind blowing hope this is real propably people like rye toast, FuhNaff and MattPat are giving inspiration to steelwool studios and Scott for how genius their teories are
I think it's obvious that the games with mask are employee training and the maskless tasks really happen bc the employee is ready to work there. And that employee is Cassie's father who is Bonnie bro from FNAF4. That's why Elizabeth recognizes him and there is a lot of bunny references. He is probably also Jeremy.
Great video. Solid analysis of everything we know- even stuff i had no idea on like Mystic Hippo's lines and pointing out the on record signature. Loved it!
We know people were still working at the sister location during that game, given that two of them died. Perhaps our character worked with them at the time
Also, the idea that the second game's protagonist NOT being a false name is awesome
The amount of things this theory brings together is truly incredible
Hot take: "What makes you so special" is them asking "why are you literally the only human hired to work here (besides Vanessa) LOL" but it still ends up with the same answer of him being the Bonnie Bully
sun could just be programmed to call anyone a kid
WAIT A SECOND-
You said you don’t think the candy cadet didn’t have much symbolism but I wish to challenge that.
I don’t think the girl is Cassie or Vanessa.
I think it’s the player- who in this theory is Cassie’s dad + Jeremy+potential Bonnie mask kid as you speculated.
So there are a couple possibilities in this theory- previous time in the woods where they got the scar could be;
1) the last time Jeremy worked as a guard and yk got bit and almost died as you explained in another video
2) the Bonnie mask kid is pretty scarred I’d say, from seeing crying child die right in front of him and being semi responsible.
Then, they come back to the woods cuz they wanna take down the witch finnally (just as we speculate the player wants to take down glitchtrap for reasons you explain) and is led and tricked into a false sense of security by something.
This could talk about a few things, perhaps even things we don’t know about yet. Whatever lured the player in the game. Perhaps referring to the ending- when they go to play princess quest, kinda being tricked into believing they are defeating glitchtrap. The second they pick up that sword, they lost.
Just as candy cadet explained the story during ruin, I think it will continue to do that, else they wouldn’t have added it. Although the easy to grab coins does make for a good counterpoint.
oh... damn... this makes so much sense, i love this theory! it feels like it's connecting a lot of loose ends, and even the new ones we got! i mean, it basically explains everything about HW2, about early FNAF2/FNAF1 era AND i believe that this Jeremy (Cassie's dad, being the one from FNAF2) can EVEN be the one from HW1 - like ID's theory, regarding Candy Cadet, where she said that the "woman that almost got caught from a witch but managed to run - though she came back", the "almost got caught" part could be referring how Jeremy almost got caught by Glitchtrap in HW1, that's when he took his face of with the guillotine! then he came back, now in late Pizzaplex/HW2 era to get revenge? though he might end up dying (MaskBot ending from HW2)
It feels like everything's coming together, and I love this so much. Also, now I wonder... will the other 2 kids from FNAF 4 minigames (the ones wearing Freddy and Chica masks) come back? I mean, there would almost be no reason, but I believe that it would be a cool excuse for Steel Wool to keep producing FNAF. Like they did with the Bonnie masked kid, where they made 2 "games" (Ruin + HW2) regarding this character's backstory (and also noting that Mike/Foxy masked kid already had his "part" on the story)... they could do the same to the other 2!
Cool random idea: Maybe the goal for all of this would be for the 4 of them somehow reunite together, in the very future, and try to save the crying child somehow? This ofc noting that the CC could be saved somehow, maybe they could become a group to end the FNAF story once and for all x) sry my mind went way ahead now ahahaha
Him being cassies dad makes sense. Also aids that cassie and bonnie bully both have similarly dark skin. Would also make sense for william to target one of the bullies' relatives. He couldnt outright target them as it would be clear who killed them, and if he killed charlie for a percieved slight against him by henry that fits too. Its very possible that more if not all of the mci kids were related to the bullies. Or he could've just killed bonnie bully's younger sibling through happenstance similar to how one of dahmers murder victims was the sibling of one of dahmers sexual assualt victims though it wasnt intentional on his part so its not out of the possibility for a killer to unintentionally kill relatives of people they know of.
I like this narrative - it feels compelling and challenges the narrative in a way that's still feels inline with the understood story
AstralSpiff's VODs has him play Mystic Hippo for like. Half an hour nonstop over the 8 hours be played. That's when I first heard "She needs you"
Interesting!
I love this theory! It’s really well explained and it make sense! Good job and congratulations for 200k!
This is a solid story, for sure. Personally though, I think it's saying that the crying child is named Jeremy. That's what the animatronics are asking if he remembers and why the achievement says Remember Jeremy. The paycheck was a fake name given in memory of Michael's brother.
But the kid possessing Bonnie is already called Jeremy. It feels like Crying Child would need a more special name
@@birdmcturd1626 Same logic applies if Bonnie Bro is named Jeremy, right?
@@Katosepe Yes but I don’t think he is. The FNAF 2 phone calls (this is the cliff notes version) being recorded in summer when the gameplay is in winter tells us the events aren’t happening in real time. They’re recorded for the person before us,not us. At the end of those phone calls we’re told the place is going to be shut down for a bit and when it reopens phone guy will be the new nighttime security guard. Jeremy Fitzgerald is phone guy’s name.
@@birdmcturd1626 Makes sense. Wouldn't it be great if Scott/Steel Wool discovered there were more than like 10 names total in the world?? Would make things so much easier for us!
@@Katosepe Haha,that’d be amazing.
Another thing that gets me is Mystic Hippo asks "Have you seen your hands?" and asks it twice. This makes me think that if this is Cassie's Dad, then he's already a security bot that eventually gives her the mask. "What makes you so special?" would be them asking why he's the only one that was put in a security bot and not a wfb (almost called them pat-pats).
I feel like everything except the Montgomery part feels plausible. For Montgomery, he got his claws afterwards, and therefore is very likely not the one responsible, but he still replaces Bonnie, which would likely still upset “Jeremy”. Whether it’s only him not liking him for replacing Bonnie, or blaming him, can be argued, though.
With everyone "asking who we play as in HW2?", it makes me think of the question i had with the first Help Wanted- "If Vanessa is who we play as, and Vanessa is on the therapy CDs....who is tape girl?"
Which, now with the HW2 secret ending, confirms something Steel Wool hinted at in one of the SB endings- Vanessa isn't Vanny.
Vanny is tape girl. Because TG originally pieced Glitchtrap together, and was going to give tips on how to GET RID of him, & then separated him into the tapes using the last of her control from him. Vanessa puts these (therefore him) back together again, falling under the same fate, until Gregory freed Vanessa, but left Vanny.
The secret ending of HW2 seems like tape girl (Vanny) is finally completely free of GT, to do what? No clue. But both women are now free.
Could Cassie's dad be the phone dude? They are both conected by being collectors, having a history with Freddy's and directly with Mike A., since phone dude talked to Mike like if they already know each other, other than the fact that the code from one of the follow me minigames is in the back of the of the fazwrench, and by the way, he could ultimately become the m.x.e.s program if he's consign was kept in the vr world after he's supposed death and or digital possessions
The animatronic he throws into Fazbear's Fright IS the oldest version of Bonnie. You might be onto something.
@@Bredstikc he also was really excited from finding springtrap, and Bonnie is Cassie's dad's favorite fazbear character
Maybe, but Phone Dude sounds in his early twenties, and Michael's like fifty/sixty years-old, since he was a teenager in the 1980s
He would be too young
Thought you guys were talking about Phone Guy for a second and was gonna be like “he’s..he’s dead,guys” but I realise what you mean now. Honestly,not a terrible idea
@@birdmcturd1626THAT WOULD EXPLAIN THE BURNING IN THE CAROUSEL,SINCE HE SAW HIS ATTRACTION BURNING IT WOULD MAKE SENSE
5:40 no universe that mystic hippo actually does anything 😭 AstralSpiff tried everything for like an hour on it, the voice lines are important but im pretty sure the minigame isnt
Keep in mind that Elizabeth doesn't recognise Michael in SL, so Cassie's dad being a firend of michael doesn't check out as evidence.
What DOES make sense however is that he could have potentially been a faz technician for a short while at the SL facility, not one of the two engineers that died, but perhaps he worked there for a short time, which would explain why the SL minigames are there in the first place.
TBF, she did eventually recognize Michael, or at least their dad in him.