In case anyone wonders why AA was taking off on 08L while there was another flight desiring to use 26R, (yes, the same piece of concrete, opposite direction) the allowable takeoff weights off 08L are much higher than those of 26R due to 08L having a 1% downhill slope. The long flight to CLT must have needed the weight over that which a 26R takeoff would have provided.
Why is the allowable takeoff weight higher due to the very slight slope? Does it help make the aircraft go faster quicker? Sorry if that's a dumb question?
The 1% uphill slope means it takes longer to reach a given speed for a given weight. Think of it as a car trying to accelerate going up a hill. Since the distance available to accelerate is limited by the length of the runway itself, you have to limit the takeoff weight to that which the runway is capable of providing. A 1% slope might not sound like very much on a numerical basis, but in terms of aircraft performance, it's a lot. The runway end elevations of 08L and 26R are about 150 feet apart in terms of MSL.
I was wondering if anyone else ever did this. I made the very same mistake (lining up on the right side of runway 8L at night), about ten or eleven years ago at the very same spot. Making the turn from that taxiway on the west side of runway 19R onto full length 8L, it's impossible to see all the lights you need to see (due to the slope), until you're well onto the runway. We corrected our 757's alignment before we started the takeoff roll, but I saw then how the mistake could easily be done. That area of concrete is very confusing; lines and lights going everywhere... Be careful out there, guys.
@@clovis86 because the start of 8L full length is a mess of lines and lights in every direction due to it also being the takeoff threshold for 1L. The area is all concrete with no contrast, which would make it very hard to see at night with the array of lights in front of you.
The worst part of all is that they obviously knew what they did but they didn't let the tower know what happened so they could do a runway inspection for debris, putting themselves and other flights at risk, knowingly.
@@arthurc4531 Worst case scenario, if the case gets to the FAA and they consider this a reckless or careless operation of an aircraft, the penalty for this goes all the way to revoking their pilot licenses.
@@avfan967 They corrected in the simulation VASAviation made for us. We don't know how far down the runway they actually corrected IRL... it took out 15 edge lights, so that's not nothing.
@@douglasphillips1203 "wow, weird that they put lights on the runway like this... OMG , we're off the runway". I would have loved to have been a passenger looking out the window 😆
Everyone messes up, it is the covering it up that is unacceptable! What if because they didn't say anything, debris damaged another aircraft? Pilots who are more worried about covering their own butt than safety should not be pilots.
Just for info, runway/taxiway lights are not very strong, a well placed hard kick will knock them over. The reason is because it's greatly preferred to damage the light and not the plane. Some runways have fairly deep cracks across them, we're pretty used to banging and clanging during taxi and takeoff. It's much worse up in the front office because you're sitting ahead of the nose wheel though I don't see how taking out a runway light would feel like running over a crack. On the other hand, I really don't know, I've never hit a light...........
This happened at my airline many years ago. Small Brasilia on a wide runway at night. Runway edge lights are white, as are centerline lights, but at different intervals. Hard to tell the difference at night. Fatigue was definitely a factor. The displaced threshold could have been a factor here. If the animation is correct, you see green centerline lights which are actually taxiway lights until the beginning of the actual runway. Perhaps they didn’t realize this and taxied toward the white edge lights thinking they were the runway centerline lights. Just a guess. Fatigue is probably a factor too. Im also guessing they didn’t know they damaged lights.
Could be worse. Many years ago an Indonesian Air Force C130 was looking for Richmond (near Sydney) AFB one night. They lined up on the main street of a nearby town.
You got a professional crew, 2 sets of eyes, 4 eyeballs, a hundreds of line-ups, with 10 miles visibility, and 15 edge lights taken out? C’mon man….that’s poor airmanship all the way around!
Some weeks ago, someone commented on the video where Turkish lined up on a taxiway that foreign pilots suck and that American pilots never line up on taxiways or land on the wrong runway, because they can speak perfect English. This video here is a tribute to him🙃
It’s probably not MSFS 2020. It’s far too detailed. MSFS2020 looks good while flying but when at ground level, objects look well 😑. I have played it in 1440p on high presets as well as 1080p at Max settings. This is likely X Plane with a lot of third party add-ons and modified shader engine. X-plane looks like a PS2 game out of the box but with the right Add-ons and shader engine, it can look freaking amazing.
It sure looks like MSFS . I'm doing a test now in the same location . I have the payware Las Vegas airport and it sure looks like it as I'm typing this. I'm 4K, max settings RTX 3090.
Probably not a factor but you'd think they'd want to make sure the landing gear (especially the wheels) are okay before departure. Who knows what could happen if they where damaged and the end result being a cartwheel upon landing.
Lights for runways and taxi ways as well as approach light poles at each end are designed to break away before damaging , use to work on them dosen't take much pressure to have the break points break away as designed.
@@Jopanaguiton -it was early in the takeoff roll where the incident happened. They were no where near their V1 speed….the Captain should have rejected the takeoff.
The recreation in this video gives an impression that the error should have been caught quickly by the pilots, however bear in the mind that a) according to charts there is no centreline lighting on the runway in real life, b) the runway has concrete "shoulders" on each side of the runway not grass as is the case in many other locations, c) striking an edge light (or 15) may not be a noticeably different sensation from running over center line lights. The video implies the pilots corrected to the left while on the ground but from the avherald report of the incident last month i think they didn't correct until airborne - and that may have been an nav instrument based cue rather than a realisation of the situation. Still not a good situation but most pilots don't get into the flight deck by being as stupid as the average youtube commenter will assume they are based on 2 minutes of ATC recordings.
Uh, I think your explanation makes it worse for the pilots, not better lol. If there’s no center lights on the runway then what exactly did they think they were lining up to then? 😂😂
To let you know, you can feel it when your gear hits the lights. I know from personal experience. They were taxiway light in this case. Our right gear caught the lights as the pilot veered and braked to avoid a coyote that crossed in front of the aircraft abruptly at night. We only hit two but you could fee itl. This was in a KC-135 for reference.
This happened back in 2007 at an airline I worked for. They took off in low visibility at Amsterdam, on the edge of the runway. The first the airport knew of it was when they found their lights not working. The aircraft was damaged, but ended up flying another sector. Both pilots kept their jobs and the report into the incident was more interested in the illusions that lead to this mistake. I wonder how the AA guys made this mistake, hopefully we will find out.
Vegas hookers can really do a number on a pilot’s stamina. The pilot was later heard telling the first officer, “It’s been three hours since playing hide the bologna, and I’m still climaxing. Oh wait, I might be oozing pus.”
Would they feel the tires of the plane ran over the lights? Are they going to get some sort of discipline for knowingly made a mistake, might have caused some damages and possible FOD on runway, but not reporting it to the authorities
I'd pay real money to be a fly on the wall during their inevitable interview with their chief pilot when the bill for runway lighting repairs lands on company accounts payable. And that black mark on their record will follow them for the rest of their careers. Of such incidents, nicknames are earned and stick - Captain sidelight maybe?
Yes you would feel it. I once ran over some taxiways lights while trying to avoid a coyote on the field. It's not anything jarring mind you, but yes you fell it. And that was at low speed while braking.
@@phillee2814 The biggest expense is going to be the charge for revenue loss due to them having to shutdown the runway while the repairs are made. And it'd be hilarious if the tower put up a "Do not serve these people" poster with their names and faceshots on it.
As someone who works at a major airport, it doesn't take much to tip those lights over. They're designed to break away. The airfield maintenance guys the next days were sure shaking their head though lol. Operations probably noticed within the hour, and fixed it the next day.
Yeah, especially after the delay. He was relatively chipper at first the ATC said to wait, then sounded tired and cranky when he asked 'how much longer?"
Not sure what time it left but it could have been a red-eye. We have to sleep during the day to get rest before those flights….sometimes that isn’t easy in noisy hotels.
i have been on an AA flight where all (all) the flight attendants were piss drunk, so i wouldn't be surprised if the pilots also drunk. (i have not set foot on an AA flight since that experience, like that was just crazy)
I believe that the lights in the center of the runway are embedded in low-profile fixtures that are safe for aircraft to run over, sort of like the flashing yellow pedestrian lights that you may have seen embedded into some street crosswalks.
Not sure if this video is correctly displaying the runway 08L actual lighting. I am not sure if runway 08L has centerline lights. That may be what lead them to line up on the right edge lights.
Hmm, the last of these videos I watched was the one where Rescue 7 got confused and accidentally crossed a runway without permission, and a whole bunch of people claimed there that you can never get authorization to cross multiple runways at once. Yet, the very first thing we hear in this video is American 2480 getting authorization to cross *both* 19L **and** 19R in the same transmission.
When I worked in airfield management they would clear you to cross multiple runways all the time. Depends on the airfield and their policy I think. Also I would typically get what they called a blanket clearance on all runways when I did my airfield inspection.
Perpendicular runaways that are not active and don’t pose a threat to landing and departing traffic will allow you to cross multiple runways at a time. In the video you referenced, the vehicle crossed an active runway which could have ended very badly. Typically ground is allowed to clear aircraft to cross inactive runways and have you hold short of active ones.
Imagine they handed it to the next crew without comment or writeup …passing off the damage to someone else….you always had to watch your back during an aircraft swap to ensure you didn’t inherit someone else’s carelessness.
I’ve seen the after affects of a plane that did this. There were edge lights embedded in the tires and the back underside of the plane looked like it took flack fire!
That's egregious, there's no way of telling what damage could have occurred to the aircraft. Even tire damage could have been a big issue depending on conditions at the destination. He should have aborted the landing or failing that he should have circled and returned so the aircraft could have been given a safety check before continuing. He could have put the lives of his passengers at risk or the lives of the passengers of following aircraft that could have encountered FOD on the runway. I hope that he was at least suspended for this!
Love the video, Victor :) Remember the A321 with winglets/Sharklets(whatever airbus calls them) came from AA. It appears the airplane involved in this incident was a former US Airways (N528UW) which did not have. Just giving you a hard time! Love the work you do!
I wonder why pilot not inform atc, after he corrects to center line, or not aboard takeoff. since he don't know damage to wheels. or runway, which could be hazard for other aircrafts
Perhaps the pilot needed those 15 actual light poles, preparing for Festivus and the fêtes of strength, airing of the grievances and all lol 😂 betting someone had a BAC pop quiz upon landing Charlotte though…. at least they made it there safely..
I’m not surprised; having same color of white for both runway’s edge and runway’s centerline is really confusing, I think they should be of two different colors just like taxiways where the edges are blue and the centerline is green. Don’t you agree???
So much for CRM. Was the captain a management pilot and the first officer just out of IOE? In all fairness, Vegas is a bit of a light filled black hole.
I'm not an ATP but I feel it's kinda of irresponsible the crew did not reject takeoff after they found out the error. There's a chance those lights could cause some real damages to the nose gear/tires/undercarriage that may deem the aircraft to be unsafe to operate. I would wish there's some rules apply to situations like this (what if the aircraft hit FODs on runway that's not caused by pilot errors, will they continue takeoff?). Hope someone could chime in.
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In case anyone wonders why AA was taking off on 08L while there was another flight desiring to use 26R, (yes, the same piece of concrete, opposite direction) the allowable takeoff weights off 08L are much higher than those of 26R due to 08L having a 1% downhill slope. The long flight to CLT must have needed the weight over that which a 26R takeoff would have provided.
I was wondering that thanks, I've only landed a Cessna there a few times on 26R and and uh I don't have to worry about weight lol
Why is the allowable takeoff weight higher due to the very slight slope? Does it help make the aircraft go faster quicker? Sorry if that's a dumb question?
Not a dumb question. Yes, think about mass rolling down a slope. Gravity has an effect even at a 1% down gradient.
Thanks for the insight! I was wondering why it was taking them so long to get released!
The 1% uphill slope means it takes longer to reach a given speed for a given weight. Think of it as a car trying to accelerate going up a hill. Since the distance available to accelerate is limited by the length of the runway itself, you have to limit the takeoff weight to that which the runway is capable of providing. A 1% slope might not sound like very much on a numerical basis, but in terms of aircraft performance, it's a lot. The runway end elevations of 08L and 26R are about 150 feet apart in terms of MSL.
That SEE YA! made me laugh a lot😅 they knew they’ve made a fuckin mess and left the frequency like nothing has happened 😂😂😂
absolutely smothered 15 lights and dipped like nothing happened 😂
definitely me after doing something wrong before anyone knows what had happened 😂
Revenge for delaying them...
Make me wonder how they leave their hotel rooms. "Did you enjoy your stay?" "See Ya!!"
@@atcdude067 Yeah, I was joking
I was wondering if anyone else ever did this. I made the very same mistake (lining up on the right side of runway 8L at night), about ten or eleven years ago at the very same spot. Making the turn from that taxiway on the west side of runway 19R onto full length 8L, it's impossible to see all the lights you need to see (due to the slope), until you're well onto the runway. We corrected our 757's alignment before we started the takeoff roll, but I saw then how the mistake could easily be done. That area of concrete is very confusing; lines and lights going everywhere... Be careful out there, guys.
Did you file an ASRS report?
Interesting to know.
Light colors are different to help us
how can you not see the white runway edge line with the nosewheel taxi light on though? You'd be expecting arrows.
@@clovis86 because the start of 8L full length is a mess of lines and lights in every direction due to it also being the takeoff threshold for 1L. The area is all concrete with no contrast, which would make it very hard to see at night with the array of lights in front of you.
Tower: American you got a pen there?
American: See ya!
😂😂lmao a lot of people won't understand this one 😂
@@random_guy1882 Well, if you have watched a couple of VASAviation videos you know pilots don't like to take a note of a phone number 😂
@@random_guy1882 I do. 🤪🤪🤪
I got some light fixtures buried on the tires see ya
@@javiTests 😂😂lol
This shows that what happens in Vegas, does not necessarily stay in Vegas. 😂😂😂
@@tonythreepies9272 15 damaged rwy edge lights stayed in Vegas
@@tonythreepies9272 That it did. Have you been to Vegas? Just curious.
@@vogam I am wondering how much would that cost to repair it.
@@NBT2469 I bet the biggest part of the cost will be having to shutdown that runway while those lights are replaced/fixed
@@k-peezy2723 Which the pilots themselves should pay for out of their pockets....in an ideal world, that is.
No animals or -runway edge lights- were harmed during the making of this video.
This is the pilot's version of keying the car of someone who made life difficult.
Watching the reconstruction of them rolling along the edge lights had me constantly going "o nooooooooooo"
What a very cool computerized reconstruction of the take-off. Well done.
It's a game btw sir
The worst part of all is that they obviously knew what they did but they didn't let the tower know what happened so they could do a runway inspection for debris, putting themselves and other flights at risk, knowingly.
This
Definitely...makes me very uneasy.
Non-pilot here, what are the consequences for a pilot for not reporting something like this?
@@arthurc4531 Worst case scenario, if the case gets to the FAA and they consider this a reckless or careless operation of an aircraft, the penalty for this goes all the way to revoking their pilot licenses.
When your girl says her parents are gone and she’s home alone
They obviously knew they lined up wrong since they corrected halfway down the runway. They should have said something.
LOL !!!!!!! ....
They corrected before they even hit the threshold dummy, stop exaggerating
@@avfan967 They corrected in the simulation VASAviation made for us. We don't know how far down the runway they actually corrected IRL... it took out 15 edge lights, so that's not nothing.
@@avfan967 must be the pilot or co pilot
@@avfan967 They damaged 15 runway lights, so obviously they didn't correct right away.
Meanwhile Harrison Ford is saying: "That's my favorite hobby on the runway!"
I would really like to hear the CVR
I wish the tower knew, I'd love to hear the "I've got a number for you to call"
Lots of cursing most likely when they realized
"Think anyone will notice?" "Naah!"
@@douglasphillips1203 "wow, weird that they put lights on the runway like this... OMG , we're off the runway".
I would have loved to have been a passenger looking out the window 😆
No one any of us know will ever be able to but I’m sure there will be an ass chewing somewhere down the line for them.
Everyone messes up, it is the covering it up that is unacceptable! What if because they didn't say anything, debris damaged another aircraft? Pilots who are more worried about covering their own butt than safety should not be pilots.
If you're a female pilot, please do society a favor and remain OUT of the cockpit. Thank you.
@@V1AbortV2 shut up
@@V1AbortV2 wtf?
Just for info, runway/taxiway lights are not very strong, a well placed hard kick will knock them over.
The reason is because it's greatly preferred to damage the light and not the plane.
Some runways have fairly deep cracks across them, we're pretty used to banging and clanging during taxi and takeoff. It's much worse up in the front office because you're sitting ahead of the nose wheel though I don't see how taking out a runway light would feel like running over a crack.
On the other hand, I really don't know, I've never hit a light...........
...that you know of!! ;)
Electrical engineer here- came here to say exactly this.
Yep, in some countries the runways are made up of what looks like rectangular slabs of concrete.
Thank you, scrolled to find just this comment. Based on their total nonchalance I assumed just what you confirmed about how 'soft' the lights are.
@@jcburleigh Lol....true!
Well, I guess we all know what the next SouthWest Airlines "Need to get away" commercial is going to be.
Underrated comment!!
That final 'SEE YA!' is intermixed with so much 'Did we just do what we just did?'.
This happened at my airline many years ago. Small Brasilia on a wide runway at night. Runway edge lights are white, as are centerline lights, but at different intervals. Hard to tell the difference at night. Fatigue was definitely a factor. The displaced threshold could have been a factor here. If the animation is correct, you see green centerline lights which are actually taxiway lights until the beginning of the actual runway. Perhaps they didn’t realize this and taxied toward the white edge lights thinking they were the runway centerline lights. Just a guess. Fatigue is probably a factor too. Im also guessing they didn’t know they damaged lights.
Yeah, he definitely sounded tired, especially after the departure delay
Could be worse. Many years ago an Indonesian Air Force C130 was looking for Richmond (near Sydney) AFB one night. They lined up on the main street of a nearby town.
You got a professional crew, 2 sets of eyes, 4 eyeballs, a hundreds of line-ups, with 10 miles visibility, and 15 edge lights taken out? C’mon man….that’s poor airmanship all the way around!
Goddam they could have caused FOD on the runway or damaged their own AC, they needed to fess up.
Yeah my 78 year old mom does that shit too with her Miata. Veers off some, hits some small stuff, keeps going and pretends everything's cool.
A 78 year old in a Miata? Unusual, but - good for everyone around that she doesn't drive anything big!
Just another day in Los Santos!🥰👌💯
Bruh he’s hits the lights and never report it UNTIL the airport found out
"Nobody will notice."
@@Cissy2cute That will buff right out.
@@oldRighty1 😆 😆 😆
Some weeks ago, someone commented on the video where Turkish lined up on a taxiway that foreign pilots suck and that American pilots never line up on taxiways or land on the wrong runway, because they can speak perfect English.
This video here is a tribute to him🙃
The thing about most absolutes is that they tend to circle around and bite folks.
It’s on this channel or on the You can see ATC channel.
Well, to be fair, his English was perfect.
@@nuclearrabbit1 That's the point.
I think you're missing mine. It's supposed to be sarcasm.
we pay for whole runway
"American 2480, you just damaged the airport!"
"See ya!"
I like the MSFS reconstruction!
It’s probably not MSFS 2020. It’s far too detailed. MSFS2020 looks good while flying but when at ground level, objects look well 😑. I have played it in 1440p on high presets as well as 1080p at Max settings.
This is likely X Plane with a lot of third party add-ons and modified shader engine. X-plane looks like a PS2 game out of the box but with the right Add-ons and shader engine, it can look freaking amazing.
It sure looks like MSFS . I'm doing a test now in the same location . I have the payware Las Vegas airport and it sure looks like it as I'm typing this. I'm 4K, max settings RTX 3090.
@@JasonB808 it is MSFS with a FBW A32NX mod
That pilot must have been a truck driver for SWIFT before getting his ATP.
Did you just say that?!
@@victorbasta7359 lol yupp!
I never thought I’d see a Swift joke here 🤣🤣🤣🤣💀
@@AEMoreira81 See What I Flattened Today!
Excuse me sir, this isn't Swift Air
Probably not a factor but you'd think they'd want to make sure the landing gear (especially the wheels) are okay before departure. Who knows what could happen if they where damaged and the end result being a cartwheel upon landing.
I assume they realized they were off-center but didn't recognize they had knocked out the edge lights, at least I hope so...
I'd assume the lights are built to make that very unlikely.
Lights for runways and taxi ways as well as approach light poles at each end are designed to break away before damaging , use to work on them dosen't take much pressure to have the break points break away as designed.
I guess they were used to handling their lifted trucks with 37" tires
Planes don't cartwheel from damaged tires
They should have aborted the take off and inspected for damage to the aircraft.
Depends on how fast they were going whether they could abort, I guess.
Not to mention allowing ground personnel to inspect the runway for debris before any other flights use it.
Can’t abort take off after V1 unless it is something like fire, smoke or something really serious.
@@Jopanaguiton -it was early in the takeoff roll where the incident happened. They were no where near their V1 speed….the Captain should have rejected the takeoff.
Absolutely. I suspect the Captain will be in some trouble. It'll be hard to claim they didn't realize what they'd done.
The recreation in this video gives an impression that the error should have been caught quickly by the pilots, however bear in the mind that a) according to charts there is no centreline lighting on the runway in real life, b) the runway has concrete "shoulders" on each side of the runway not grass as is the case in many other locations, c) striking an edge light (or 15) may not be a noticeably different sensation from running over center line lights. The video implies the pilots corrected to the left while on the ground but from the avherald report of the incident last month i think they didn't correct until airborne - and that may have been an nav instrument based cue rather than a realisation of the situation. Still not a good situation but most pilots don't get into the flight deck by being as stupid as the average youtube commenter will assume they are based on 2 minutes of ATC recordings.
Uh, I think your explanation makes it worse for the pilots, not better lol. If there’s no center lights on the runway then what exactly did they think they were lining up to then? 😂😂
To let you know, you can feel it when your gear hits the lights. I know from personal experience. They were taxiway light in this case. Our right gear caught the lights as the pilot veered and braked to avoid a coyote that crossed in front of the aircraft abruptly at night. We only hit two but you could fee itl. This was in a KC-135 for reference.
Oh, but the memes, dude! The memes!
Aren't you just the perfect expert. Jesus. Get a life.
This happened back in 2007 at an airline I worked for. They took off in low visibility at Amsterdam, on the edge of the runway. The first the airport knew of it was when they found their lights not working. The aircraft was damaged, but ended up flying another sector. Both pilots kept their jobs and the report into the incident was more interested in the illusions that lead to this mistake. I wonder how the AA guys made this mistake, hopefully we will find out.
You can tell the pilots were exhausted
Vegas hookers can really do a number on a pilot’s stamina. The pilot was later heard telling the first officer, “It’s been three hours since playing hide the bologna, and I’m still climaxing. Oh wait, I might be oozing pus.”
Did the pilots get a nice visit from the authorities after they landed?
Authorities? No I doubt that. Once the company found out I’m sure they were called into the office.
@@robertgary3561 and probably again once the company got the bill
I’m shocked that they continued with the take off without even reporting it to the tower 😨. They’ll have a long day with the chef pilot !
Hopefully he cooks them spaghetti
@@atis1338 I think your joke went right pasta lot of people....
@@atis1338 Totally funny. No wonder he was tired, cooking, flying. etc.
Why the hell didn't they say anything? There had been many accident with FOD on the runway
Pressonitis. Probably in a hurry to get to the hotel room.
Could have been a concorde like incident if FOD was ingested by the aircraft behind.
Would they feel the tires of the plane ran over the lights? Are they going to get some sort of discipline for knowingly made a mistake, might have caused some damages and possible FOD on runway, but not reporting it to the authorities
You'd think they'd have felt the wheels in the dirt...
I'd pay real money to be a fly on the wall during their inevitable interview with their chief pilot when the bill for runway lighting repairs lands on company accounts payable.
And that black mark on their record will follow them for the rest of their careers.
Of such incidents, nicknames are earned and stick - Captain sidelight maybe?
Yes you would feel it. I once ran over some taxiways lights while trying to avoid a coyote on the field. It's not anything jarring mind you, but yes you fell it. And that was at low speed while braking.
@@phillee2814 The biggest expense is going to be the charge for revenue loss due to them having to shutdown the runway while the repairs are made. And it'd be hilarious if the tower put up a "Do not serve these people" poster with their names and faceshots on it.
Pilot thought he's get away with it, that is until VASAviation showed up )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
I'm not a pilot, but have heard the saying "follow the green".
Runway centerline lights are nearly always white.
I follow the green every night then watch UA-cam videos for hours while eating Cap'n Crunch.
On taxing at night, I was told to jump the green frogs in the blue pond…..
the greens = the center TAXIWAY lights
In Incheon ATC will say follow the green
Damn! I was supposed to be originally on that flight but then AA re-booked my ticket on JetBlue. WOW!
No one cares.
@@V1AbortV2 apparently you care, otherwise you would have not commented LMFAO
What happens in Vegas... ends up on UA-cam.
"Report to chief pilot."
Would NOT want to be on that flight. A big news story averted. Good gawd....
Listening to the pilot I was reminded of Tim Conway playing one of his old man routines. Thinking old pilot fell asleep while waiting for take off.
As someone who works at a major airport, it doesn't take much to tip those lights over. They're designed to break away. The airfield maintenance guys the next days were sure shaking their head though lol. Operations probably noticed within the hour, and fixed it the next day.
Those animations add so much to the whole experience. Nice job dude!
Shouldn’t have delayed him, then this wouldn’t have happened. 😂😂😂
“Every 5 minutes they keep us waiting we take another 2 lights out.”
You get paid by the minute!
if only there was a black and yellow line in the middle of the runway at the threshold to use as a guide for center of runway.
“It’s Time” for them to hit the books and refresh on runway lighting.
Hopefully they were both TERMINATED. This is unforgivable in aviation.
"Tower, American 2480, what's the number? I've got a possible pilot deviation for myself."
That pilot sounded like drunk or dead tired... Probably his last leg of the day...
its a solid four hours las to clt, hope not that tired
Yeah, especially after the delay. He was relatively chipper at first the ATC said to wait, then sounded tired and cranky when he asked 'how much longer?"
Not sure what time it left but it could have been a red-eye. We have to sleep during the day to get rest before those flights….sometimes that isn’t easy in noisy hotels.
i have been on an AA flight where all (all) the flight attendants were piss drunk, so i wouldn't be surprised if the pilots also drunk.
(i have not set foot on an AA flight since that experience, like that was just crazy)
The dude on the radio was the FO...the Captain taxies the jet around on the airport surface. They BOTH should be TERMINATED.
The tail number here N582UW is wrong. That plane did not go to LAS on 8/29 per Flightaware and FR24
How do the lights work in the center of the runway? What prevents them from breaking when the aircraft runs them over?
I believe that the lights in the center of the runway are embedded in low-profile fixtures that are safe for aircraft to run over, sort of like the flashing yellow pedestrian lights that you may have seen embedded into some street crosswalks.
Great knowledge of runway lights 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Not sure if this video is correctly displaying the runway 08L actual lighting. I am not sure if runway 08L has centerline lights. That may be what lead them to line up on the right edge lights.
Imagine the horror for knowledgeable passengers on the starboard side!
Hmm, the last of these videos I watched was the one where Rescue 7 got confused and accidentally crossed a runway without permission, and a whole bunch of people claimed there that you can never get authorization to cross multiple runways at once. Yet, the very first thing we hear in this video is American 2480 getting authorization to cross *both* 19L **and** 19R in the same transmission.
If the runways are less than 1,300 feet apart and the facility has approval, you can issue a clearance for both.
When I worked in airfield management they would clear you to cross multiple runways all the time. Depends on the airfield and their policy I think. Also I would typically get what they called a blanket clearance on all runways when I did my airfield inspection.
Perpendicular runaways that are not active and don’t pose a threat to landing and departing traffic will allow you to cross multiple runways at a time. In the video you referenced, the vehicle crossed an active runway which could have ended very badly. Typically ground is allowed to clear aircraft to cross inactive runways and have you hold short of active ones.
"We have a number for you to call"
Imagine they handed it to the next crew without comment or writeup …passing off the damage to someone else….you always had to watch your back during an aircraft swap to ensure you didn’t inherit someone else’s carelessness.
Thus, the reason for a preflight inspection!
I would have loved, had it been possible to see photos of the damage taken the next day. But I know it might not have been available!
Good luck explaining that.
That's pilot number 9,427 and 9,428 who wish Vasaviation never existed
I’ve seen the after affects of a plane that did this. There were edge lights embedded in the tires and the back underside of the plane looked like it took flack fire!
CVR recording released.
Co-Pilot:I thing we're lined up to the right of the center line!
Pilot:Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking!
That's egregious, there's no way of telling what damage could have occurred to the aircraft. Even tire damage could have been a big issue depending on conditions at the destination. He should have aborted the landing or failing that he should have circled and returned so the aircraft could have been given a safety check before continuing. He could have put the lives of his passengers at risk or the lives of the passengers of following aircraft that could have encountered FOD on the runway. I hope that he was at least suspended for this!
Love the video, Victor :) Remember the A321 with winglets/Sharklets(whatever airbus calls them) came from AA. It appears the airplane involved in this incident was a former US Airways (N528UW) which did not have. Just giving you a hard time! Love the work you do!
"See ya!"
LMAO 🤣
"can't they see the center lights dur hur dur hur?"
Most people here couldn't find 8L from the cockpit even of they were already on it.
Seems like an F-U for making him wait 10 mins.
Well, that’s childish and unprofessional!
@@margaretmathis4775 Indeed!
The lighter pilot's voice reminded me of AC 759's pilot at that SFO incident.
I wonder why pilot not inform atc, after he corrects to center line, or not aboard takeoff.
since he don't know damage to wheels. or runway, which could be hazard for other aircrafts
I was the pilot. my bad, I was super baked haha. next time I will keep the bong under my seat until we're at cruising alt
Take it easy on the edibles my guy
Any reason to do not reject takeoff and inspect for damages?
Does it count as rwy incursion or incident?
He said you wanna keep making us wait now you can fix that!
This is the type of stuff you'd see on VATSIM.
WOW! No comment about there screw up or possible FOD! Unbeliveable!
So if there was no contact, what damaged the lights; just the jetwash?
That was the most passive aggressive “OK” I’ve ever heard.
Someone had too much fun in Vegas!
Was Harrison Ford the PIC?
Seeing as they where actually on the runway and not some random taxiway I'm going with no.
Harrison Ford...🤣
Wow, Las Vegas looks damn nice in this sim. Is this MSFS 2020?
Affirmative
It might be, but I can't tell. There's no A321ceo in the sim, but it's too dark for me to tell the difference.
it is but you'll never find a GPU for sale that can run it
@@LtRiot are you high? It runs just fine on my 3070.
@@dcviper985 if you want to pay four times retail you can buy a 3070
Perhaps the pilot needed those 15 actual light poles, preparing for Festivus and the fêtes of strength, airing of the grievances and all lol 😂 betting someone had a BAC pop quiz upon landing Charlotte though…. at least they made it there safely..
I did the same thing with my Dad's truck when I was learning to drive... took out a mailbox. No mail was harmed.
How many pilots does it take to change a runway light?
This is a great example that what happens in Las Vegas not always stays in Las Vegas.
They thought no one would notice, since everyone else was coming from the opposite end :)
I’m not surprised; having same color of white for both runway’s edge and runway’s centerline is really confusing, I think they should be of two different colors just like taxiways where the edges are blue and the centerline is green. Don’t you agree???
So....the pilots realised their mistake, but continued knowing the might have damaged tyres and runway lights? How professional!
Video could also be used on the channel Dashcam Lessons for all the hit and run accidents they show.
it's always such a hassle trying to take off to the East in LAS.
So much for CRM. Was the captain a management pilot and the first officer just out of IOE? In all fairness, Vegas is a bit of a light filled black hole.
1 minute delay= 1 lamp
Would they have not heard or felt the aircraft striking those signs?
As soon as I realized those PAPI’s were a little too far to the left, my jaw dropped lol
They must’ve grown tired from all the waiting 😂.
Ugh hope the plane got a thorough inspection
Jake has some skills
I'm not an ATP but I feel it's kinda of irresponsible the crew did not reject takeoff after they found out the error. There's a chance those lights could cause some real damages to the nose gear/tires/undercarriage that may deem the aircraft to be unsafe to operate. I would wish there's some rules apply to situations like this (what if the aircraft hit FODs on runway that's not caused by pilot errors, will they continue takeoff?). Hope someone could chime in.
Very irresponsible rather.
Realizing the error should have been an automatic abort if below V1. Plane was out of config for takeoff (not on the runway)
How in TF could TWO pilots both get their heads that far up their butts at the same time??
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