I've driven both the 991.1 and 991.2 Carrera S models. The 991.2 I drove at the Porsche Experience Center, Silverstone in the UK for about 3 hours. The car feels great, but I've just last week bought a 2013 991.1 Carrera S with 27k miles on the clock. Personally I find that the NA engine sound is just sublime. While the 991.2 is impressive, I just couldn't resit the 3.8 NA engine. Also my 991.1 has the 4-pipe sports exhaust, which brings me to a another point. I really dislike the two pipes in the center of the 991.2 when ordered with a sports exhaust. All these things come down to personal taste. That's why all 911s are individually spec'd. We all like what we like, and that's OK.
Just put down a deposit on a 991.1 15k mile 2013 4S in 2022 for this same reason. I drove a pal's new 992 base and I guess if youre new to Porsche, they are impressive. I'm old school. We like what we like.
I drove the 991.2 CS4 yesterday. Really fast and quiet was my take-away. Love the new Sport PASM. Sport exhaust was just ok, but I miss the intake noise. Drove home in my Cayman S 3.4L and was reminded why I love NA cars.
Two details that needs to be clarified Nick. The 991.2 has the sport exhaust, did the 991.1 had sports exhaust? Secondly, it can be seen in the video that the big gap opened during the second acceleration run, is at the moment of gear change because PDK vs Manual. I think the 991.2 won't be so good with the manual gearbox, as the fast shifting PDK keeps the turbo on boost whilst changing gear, on the manual the pressure will drop considerably and there will be much more lag felt.
+BatuKMan1 Apparently the turbo's are kept on spool so there isn't any delay. Some sort of trickery, whether that applies to the manual, I'm not sure but they've said no lag etc :D
Yes, but that only works for really short periods of time, which works fine with the PDK. Since no one can shift that fast with a manual, the Turbo lag will be much more significant.
the 991.2 sounds way better. It has huge torque at low and mid range RPM. Forget the naturally aspirated. Porsche has a long history in how to make turbos and the new 991.2 is just awesome.
Only our opinions, but I couldn’t disagree more. The NA sounds like a proper engine, all I hear on the T is a whine. Makes me feel like I have tinitus!
having owned both a 991.1 C2S and now a GTS (both with PDK), the GTS feels faster to me, even above 2500-3000 rpm. The GTS also doesn't have that odd hesitation around 2500 rpm. The peak torque is slightly higher in the GTS (5750 rpm vs. 5600 rpm I believe), but the engine does rev more freely and the PDK is tweaked to be a little more aggressive too. The engineers say about 15 hp is gained from the intake, the other 15 hp from the cams/valve lift. The special intake also provides a different sound than a regular S.
Nick Murray it's really not a downgraded C2S. It's an arguably perfectly speeded C 2S/4S for less money. What's not to like? Plus it's got the power kit for extra willy waving.
+Jasper NL What are you talking about? Because the 4S is heaver? It really did not factor in with the simple test we did here, the 4S still left the 2S behind.
+Nick Murray The 4S has better 0-60 times than the 2S. The 4S you tested also has a PDK, which is also faster than the manual in the 2S. Even factoring those advantages out, though, I think the turbo is clearly faster.
+Kyle Cronin Yes the grip that gives the 4S better 0-60 times was not a factor here because we were rolling, also by the time a change was needed the .2 was well ahead.
W-James absolutely. But the car drives maybe 10% better around corners if even and sounds 75% worse than the N/A engine. For me, I'd never ever buy one of these.
+Broncho Gillespie yeah, the manual transmission driver is missing shifts and not being a very aggressive or quick shifter. Looks like he would run quarter miles in the 14's when a good driver would be low 12s.
Very cool to see difference thanks for the vid! I agree the na sounds better and its sad to see manufacturers loose the character of their engines with all going turbo.
I have to admit that many car makers are going to turbo route for fiscal reasons but stating that Porsche is loosing character by this might be a bridge too far. They introduced a turbocharged version of the 911 in the mid-70s :-)
yeah, it's pumped in the cabin through a hose/flap, so it should sound good. the boxter/cayman give better sound, especially the 3.4 litter flat6, the motor is right behind you, and it sounds glorious ;).
Thanks Nick! Best comparison test I've seen to date. My one nit would be that the video should make clear that the 991.2 had an optional sports exhaust fitted to it. I also can't tell whether the 991.1 had a sports exhaust. Would be good to know, in other words, whether this is a real apples to apples comparison.
I would love to know what you did not like about the power kit 3.8 engines. You see it as a huge option and you think, "Must be good". I loved to actually hear first hand what it actually affords you. Great vid as always Nick.
Greetings from Brunei. Love your channel Nick. I recently acquired a pre-loved 991.1 Carrera PDK and its the best sports car i’ve owned. Your channel has helped me a lot. Keep it up!
You can't achieve an accurate comparison in speed and torque if you're comparing a manual c2s to a pdk c4s. Obviously the c4s will be better because of the insanely fast shifts and the all wheel drive
A refresh already? Porsche is amazing, and the reliability is far beyond what any other sports car and supercar manufacturer can reach, even topping Lexus twice in overall reliability.
Nick, agree with others....thanks for doing a comparo that people want to see. What do they sound like. I heard the turbo whine (not sure if that's what it should be called) and didn't like it. I have 3 F/I cars and one N/A car in my household, and I think N/A is where it's at. Shooting for a 997.2 CS one day, don't want anything do do with the new turbo (non "Turbo") 911 right now. I understand the reason for the change, but damn....
I'm surprised how good and clean the 911.2 sounds inside the cabin. It still sounds like the Flat 6 we know and love. On the outside however, not as much... but still pretty decent imo.
wow the 991.2 is sooo much faster than the 991.1.... still like the NA cars but when I get one, it'll be a 991.2.... I might try and hold out for a GT3 but may just get an S or 4S to hold me over!
Nice comparison. I heard some turbo whine with the turbo six that disappeared as the car picked up speed. The NA 3.8L sounded fantastic. Did the 991.1 have PSE? For drama, can't beat the NA flat six.
As much as I am a fan of driving manual cars I just don't know what to think when seeing the difference in shifting times between the two. So much more involving to be shifting a manual vs PDK but it just feels you are so inefficient in comparison. Nick would you stick with a manual or PDK for a .2? What are your thoughts related to shifting after driving both back to back?
the turbo sounds like starting a vacuum cleaner , no way it's as good as the gen1, I am looking for boxster and drove new 718 and GTS and man the difference in sound and feel is great. Currently driving an A45 and the turbo is amazing but just doesn't do it
Nice video Nick. I prefer the 991.1 for the sound and the overall feel. It's more of a porsche. More of a driver's car. It's like with Ferrari. The new 488 is such a GT car and not the sports car I once fell in love with.
Apart from sound, the 991.2 is the better drivers car. Iv driven them both and the 911.2 had much more communicative steering, more pedal feel and was more exciting to drive because its acceleration was more brutal. It was also more comfortable and refined which makes it a much better daily driver and long distance cruiser. If you want a proper old school 911 then get a 997 GT3.
@@w-james9277 I agree, I have owed both a 2013 991.1 and a 2018 991.2 . for the driving I do around town , I love the torque of the 3.0 turbo .. To me the whole car feels better.. I have had 4 911s and the 991.2 is my favorite.. after seeing all these videos I think I will get a sport exahust for mine.
I suspect that the folks who prefer the .1 over the .2 havent actually driven the .2. The .2 is better in every conceivable way. More steering feedback. Chassis is really tightened down. And the 3.0 produced waaaaay more power. A .2 is much faster and has superior handling a feel. The .1 is a great car. But newer is better. Case closed.
The .2 is the better car and it sounds quite good in person. But I still love the sound of the .1 more. The solution here is to have a 991.2 GT3 then you get newer car and even better sound 😅
I don’t like the fact that the steering wheel in the .2 blocks the visibility of the peripheral dials. How is that better? The exhaust sound on the .1 is better too. You also get better economy with the .1 as well. I appreciate your comment but you are wrong when you say it’s better in every way.
But sound is emotion and emotion means passion and fun haha, I guess this topic will always go on... one should just weight the arguments for it. Oh and the actuell model looks even better
Great video! They both are gorgeous, but 991.2 is by far the most beautiful car that Porsche ever made. ❤️ It is literally perfect (for my taste) and no wonder that 992 doesn’t warm my heart.
Sorry but this race was completely stupid, your buddy there is an old man driving manual and you're driving PDK. Get a good driver in the 991.1 it would've been a lot closer.
Well done, thanks for this insightful bit of information. Describing the visceral elements of these cars is a huge, often overlooked aspect. My biggest regret over the trend in electric cars. Someday I hope to own a 2012-2015 CS Coupe. Silver with red interior is on my bucket list! Look forward to your next video!
It sounds great! I've got one. The only people who don't like it are the 991.1 owners. Better get used to the sound because all their going hear is the 991.2 that's in front of the slow 991.1 ha ha
I can hear the Turbo's kicking in. But you can't hear them inside the cabin. And the sound isn't bad at all. I personally had a choice between the 2016 1.1 and 1.2. I choose to buy the 2016 911 GTS. The engine sounds are awesome and being the last Naturally aspirated other than the GT3 and GT3RS. I think the GTS just might be a collectable car more sooner than later. My 2 cents worth.
+etc205 The lighter internals of the Powerkit engine rob it of mid range torque for what is a questionable increase in hp at the very top end. I think most people would prefer to keep the torque.
+Nick Murray not only "lighter internals". Modification to the airbox/intakes and more important, more lift for the intake valves (11,7 mm to 11.0 at high revs, 5,4mm vs 3,6mm in mid range). And yes, all of this translate into a better breathing engine but somehow less torque/pull under 4500rpm or so. The torque curves are not that wide apart though. You can win some torque back through modification of the exhaust, but in a 911 there isn't much to modify. No room.
I don't care for the look of the sports exhaust. Combined with the new engine cover, it looks like the back end of a old VW Bug. Given the noise is barely different, I would keep the stock exhaust and upgrade to a aftermarket if I wanted real noise level changes. (stock is fine with me)
Interestingly the 991.2 GTS sounds even closer to the 991.1 Maybe it's just the mic used, but I hear less of the turbo spool: ua-cam.com/video/VjvLVd0R6OE/v-deo.html&ab_channel=Automann-TV
Porsche has been making a turbo engine forever, and people used to pay high for turbo and turbo s. Now you got one at a relatively affordable price. It is reliable, faster, responsive, fuel-efficient, and so on. Get over the turbo complaints, and we need to move on.
I think Porsche have engineered their turbo charged engine sound a lot better than Ferrari (thinking of the comparison between the 458 and 488, the 488 sounds terrible). But at the end of the day how much performance do you need/want? Personally, I'd prefer the sound over yet another hundred HP to an already super powerful car. Oh, and one last thing. Having a turbo in a car doesn't decrease fuel consumption, it increases fuel consumption. I know from having owned turbo charged engines it doesn't matter what you do, you end up using the turbo a lot more because of the decrease in power. Putting a turbo in a car with a smaller engine is a way of satisfying the bureaucrats in the EU who think they're helping save the environment. But these cars are only more frugal on paper.
i agree 90%, but i want to add something, to your great points. Porsche is owned by VW, who also owns Audi, and Lamborghini. I don't see the audi r8 with a N/A v10 or Huracan v10 changing to turbos, Why is that? What happened to EU regulations? why is it not effecting them Porsche? I'll tell you why, it's either a money grab, not for the environment or it's only for the uber rich in the EU to enjoy N/A motors. sad.
Nick, if you do like so much about n/a engines, why don´t you buy or just test the new gen Audi R8, V8 or V10, or both... The same group as porsche, the same quality, more beauty and more fun.
+Arthur Sperotto yeah, now he has to learn to drive it. Also, if you want manual in a 991.1, go for the GTS. The movement is more precise. See how the guy missed a gear during the second "drag race".
+thefridgeman For many people the GTS is a downgrade to the C2S/C4S. I have not noticed any difference in the gear movement between the C4S and the GTS, are you sure they are different?
I am not the only one. "The shift is now much better than earlier versions of the 7-speeder" C.Harris on the "Goodwood Road&Racing" site, writing about the GTS. The old manual gearbox in the 997 GTS was waaaay better through.
I've driven both the 991.1 and 991.2 Carrera S models. The 991.2 I drove at the Porsche Experience Center, Silverstone in the UK for about 3 hours. The car feels great, but I've just last week bought a 2013 991.1 Carrera S with 27k miles on the clock. Personally I find that the NA engine sound is just sublime. While the 991.2 is impressive, I just couldn't resit the 3.8 NA engine. Also my 991.1 has the 4-pipe sports exhaust, which brings me to a another point. I really dislike the two pipes in the center of the 991.2 when ordered with a sports exhaust. All these things come down to personal taste. That's why all 911s are individually spec'd. We all like what we like, and that's OK.
Just put down a deposit on a 991.1 15k mile 2013 4S in 2022 for this same reason. I drove a pal's new 992 base and I guess if youre new to Porsche, they are impressive. I'm old school. We like what we like.
@@WanderingFriar I have the same car and will never sell. My daughter knows that and already has placed dibs on it.
I just traded my C8 for a 991.1S (plus some money back) today. Still not sure it was the right decision, but I like the car.
@@Martin-ke1ikyep, still have it and will never let it go!
You're so dedicated to your channel that you flew out to Mexico just to film a drag race! ;D
Very Connecticut looking part of mexico
+Sukun Paul I know right! I was shocked by that as well :)
I really appreciate your dedication to traveling all the way to mexico so that you aren't breaking any traffic laws during your drag race. :)
I drove the 991.2 CS4 yesterday. Really fast and quiet was my take-away. Love the new Sport PASM. Sport exhaust was just ok, but I miss the intake noise. Drove home in my Cayman S 3.4L and was reminded why I love NA cars.
damn that turbo is spoolin HARD
Sounds like the guy in the 911.1 missed the gear shift at 5:32
Two details that needs to be clarified Nick. The 991.2 has the sport exhaust, did the 991.1 had sports exhaust?
Secondly, it can be seen in the video that the big gap opened during the second acceleration run, is at the moment of gear change because PDK vs Manual.
I think the 991.2 won't be so good with the manual gearbox, as the fast shifting PDK keeps the turbo on boost whilst changing gear, on the manual the pressure will drop considerably and there will be much more lag felt.
+BatuKMan1 Apparently the turbo's are kept on spool so there isn't any delay. Some sort of trickery, whether that applies to the manual, I'm not sure but they've said no lag etc :D
Yes, but that only works for really short periods of time, which works fine with the PDK. Since no one can shift that fast with a manual, the Turbo lag will be much more significant.
+BatuKMan1 Even if the 991.1 maybe doesn´t have the sports exhaust it still sounds much better ;)
the 991.2 sounds way better. It has huge torque at low and mid range RPM. Forget the naturally aspirated. Porsche has a long history in how to make turbos and the new 991.2 is just awesome.
Gusseisern finally someone understands
Only our opinions, but I couldn’t disagree more. The NA sounds like a proper engine, all I hear on the T is a whine. Makes me feel like I have tinitus!
Why are you not a fan of the powerkit (X51)? Can you elaborate on the power delivery of those motors that you dislike?
I was wondering the same, Nick, any chance you could elaborate on that?
I just bought a NA 991.1, don't like the sound of the new turbo engines apart from that the .2 looks great.
991.1 GTS. Rwd is the best
+theSTEWiiiE I don't know why everyone likes the GTS? It is a down graded C2S to me.
+Nick Murray once you hit sport plus, its feels very fast, there is something about the 991.1 that i know you still prefer it deep down inside
having owned both a 991.1 C2S and now a GTS (both with PDK), the GTS feels faster to me, even above 2500-3000 rpm. The GTS also doesn't have that odd hesitation around 2500 rpm. The peak torque is slightly higher in the GTS (5750 rpm vs. 5600 rpm I believe), but the engine does rev more freely and the PDK is tweaked to be a little more aggressive too. The engineers say about 15 hp is gained from the intake, the other 15 hp from the cams/valve lift. The special intake also provides a different sound than a regular S.
Nick Murray it's really not a downgraded C2S. It's an arguably perfectly speeded C 2S/4S for less money. What's not to like? Plus it's got the power kit for extra willy waving.
Bigger brakes though, and no back seats (optionally) which makes it feel more like a mini GT3 to me
Yyou cant compare a S to a 4S c'mon
+Jasper NL Why not?
Preformance?
+Jasper NL What are you talking about? Because the 4S is heaver? It really did not factor in with the simple test we did here, the 4S still left the 2S behind.
+Nick Murray The 4S has better 0-60 times than the 2S. The 4S you tested also has a PDK, which is also faster than the manual in the 2S. Even factoring those advantages out, though, I think the turbo is clearly faster.
+Kyle Cronin Yes the grip that gives the 4S better 0-60 times was not a factor here because we were rolling, also by the time a change was needed the .2 was well ahead.
Apart from sound, the 991.2 is better in every single way!
W-James of course. But it has a turbo.
Kaipeternicolas So?
W-James That ruins the sound...
Kaipeternicolas Sound doesn't isn't everything. Its all about how the car drives.
W-James absolutely. But the car drives maybe 10% better around corners if even and sounds 75% worse than the N/A engine. For me, I'd never ever buy one of these.
great! But that video compression... horrible
+Felipe Justino Oh UA-cam. It will improve within a few days normally.
Did the other guy miss a gear change in the second drag race?
Yes lol.
+Broncho Gillespie This wasn't a fair race. :)
+Broncho Gillespie yeah, the manual transmission driver is missing shifts and not being a very aggressive or quick shifter. Looks like he would run quarter miles in the 14's when a good driver would be low 12s.
Very cool to see difference thanks for the vid! I agree the na sounds better and its sad to see manufacturers loose the character of their engines with all going turbo.
+CarGuy11 Totally agree.
I have to admit that many car makers are going to turbo route for fiscal reasons but stating that Porsche is loosing character by this might be a bridge too far. They introduced a turbocharged version of the 911 in the mid-70s :-)
You can easily hear the turbo, they both sound great, different but great
Yeah, I agree. I think the difference seems to be more noticeable from the outside which is good.
Turbo's are not the same NA. There is definitely going to be a difference.
You can hear the turbos spooling up, it sounds like a sowing machine.
Manual vs PDK is not fair comparison. The PDK will always be quicker.
991.1 sounds better, IMHO.
In cabin sound of the 991.2 is phenomenal!
yeah, it's pumped in the cabin through a hose/flap, so it should sound good. the boxter/cayman give better sound, especially the 3.4 litter flat6, the motor is right behind you, and it sounds glorious ;).
Drive both of them behind each other: 991.2 is ok, the 991.1 makes you smile :-)
Thanks Nick! Best comparison test I've seen to date. My one nit would be that the video should make clear that the 991.2 had an optional sports exhaust fitted to it. I also can't tell whether the 991.1 had a sports exhaust. Would be good to know, in other words, whether this is a real apples to apples comparison.
I would love to know what you did not like about the power kit 3.8 engines. You see it as a huge option and you think, "Must be good". I loved to actually hear first hand what it actually affords you. Great vid as always Nick.
Big kicker is sport exhaust. Would be nice to know which or if both had the sport exhaust option. If so, while driving was the exhaust button on?
This is the best 991.2 comparison video I have seen. Well done!
Greetings from Brunei. Love your channel Nick. I recently acquired a pre-loved 991.1 Carrera PDK and its the best sports car i’ve owned. Your channel has helped me a lot. Keep it up!
You can't achieve an accurate comparison in speed and torque if you're comparing a manual c2s to a pdk c4s. Obviously the c4s will be better because of the insanely fast shifts and the all wheel drive
A refresh already? Porsche is amazing, and the reliability is far beyond what any other sports car and supercar manufacturer can reach, even topping Lexus twice in overall reliability.
www.reuters.com/article/us-porsche-recall-idUSBREA1J0PO20140220
www.carscoops.com/2016/01/almost-3000-porsche-macans-recalled-in.html
W-James - Oh no, not 700 GT3s! How bout the millions of Lexus and Toyota's being recalled? Toyota killing drivers because their cars drove themselves.
It's Zero Hour I take it you didn't read the second link.
Nick, agree with others....thanks for doing a comparo that people want to see. What do they sound like. I heard the turbo whine (not sure if that's what it should be called) and didn't like it. I have 3 F/I cars and one N/A car in my household, and I think N/A is where it's at. Shooting for a 997.2 CS one day, don't want anything do do with the new turbo (non "Turbo") 911 right now. I understand the reason for the change, but damn....
I'm surprised how good and clean the 911.2 sounds inside the cabin. It still sounds like the Flat 6 we know and love. On the outside however, not as much... but still pretty decent imo.
Raspy sound of the .1 vs more power, reliability, looks, tunability, and technology of the .2. I’ll take the .2 everyday of the week.
I like the 991.1 much better as it has the manual trans.
You're the man Nick. thanks for doing the first, true no pressure from porsche, review of these two head to head ;).
+TheCa007 you are most welcome
does the 991.2 have itb's or something, it sounds awesome
What's a turbo leg?
:D
I like the sound of the NA much more (based on this video), but the .2 will be the better daily...
The 911R will be fantastic. Hopefully you can do a review if you can get a hold of one!
Where's Chris Pontius? Did anyone else hear party boy?
wow the 991.2 is sooo much faster than the 991.1.... still like the NA cars but when I get one, it'll be a 991.2.... I might try and hold out for a GT3 but may just get an S or 4S to hold me over!
Nice comparison. I heard some turbo whine with the turbo six that disappeared as the car picked up speed. The NA 3.8L sounded fantastic. Did the 991.1 have PSE? For drama, can't beat the NA flat six.
As much as I am a fan of driving manual cars I just don't know what to think when seeing the difference in shifting times between the two. So much more involving to be shifting a manual vs PDK but it just feels you are so inefficient in comparison. Nick would you stick with a manual or PDK for a .2? What are your thoughts related to shifting after driving both back to back?
the turbo sounds like starting a vacuum cleaner , no way it's as good as the gen1, I am looking for boxster and drove new 718 and GTS and man the difference in sound and feel is great. Currently driving an A45 and the turbo is amazing but just doesn't do it
Nice video Nick. I prefer the 991.1 for the sound and the overall feel. It's more of a porsche. More of a driver's car. It's like with Ferrari. The new 488 is such a GT car and not the sports car I once fell in love with.
Apart from sound, the 991.2 is the better drivers car. Iv driven them both and the 911.2 had much more communicative steering, more pedal feel and was more exciting to drive because its acceleration was more brutal. It was also more comfortable and refined which makes it a much better daily driver and long distance cruiser. If you want a proper old school 911 then get a 997 GT3.
Have you driven the 458 and 488?
@@w-james9277 I agree, I have owed both a 2013 991.1 and a 2018 991.2 . for the driving I do around town , I love the torque of the 3.0 turbo .. To me the whole car feels better.. I have had 4 911s and the 991.2 is my favorite.. after seeing all these videos I think I will get a sport exahust for mine.
I can see you putting an order in for one tomorrow. BTW, something is wrong with the filming or the editing/rendering in the shots with the trees.
+sotiris.bos UA-cam takes forever to correctly render my 60FPS videos, it comes right in a few days
Looking forward to your 718 base review.
Does that noise in the 991.2 came from the speaker? It sounds fake to me.
+hipposnakeyo No, but it has some ducts from the engine bay to the interior to channel the sound.
+hipposnakeyo Yes, it comes through your speakers ... :)
Anders Gammelsrød it doesnt
Porsche Guy You misunderstood
There's a reason why you tested SOUND in the beginning bc thats the only part where 991. 1 will win rest its all 991.2.
I suspect that the folks who prefer the .1 over the .2 havent actually driven the .2. The .2 is better in every conceivable way. More steering feedback. Chassis is really tightened down. And the 3.0 produced waaaaay more power. A .2 is much faster and has superior handling a feel. The .1 is a great car. But newer is better. Case closed.
Newer is always better. I have to disagree with that principle
The .2 is the better car and it sounds quite good in person. But I still love the sound of the .1 more. The solution here is to have a 991.2 GT3 then you get newer car and even better sound 😅
everything you said is true EXCEPT the sound which is way better on the 1.
I don’t like the fact that the steering wheel in the .2 blocks the visibility of the peripheral dials. How is that better?
The exhaust sound on the .1 is better too. You also get better economy with the .1 as well. I appreciate your comment but you are wrong when you say it’s better in every way.
But sound is emotion and emotion means passion and fun haha, I guess this topic will always go on... one should just weight the arguments for it. Oh and the actuell model looks even better
Still prefer the sound of my 991.1. Want the new steering wheel and infotainment though.
I prefer the 991.1 sound
Great video! They both are gorgeous, but 991.2 is by far the most beautiful car that Porsche ever made. ❤️ It is literally perfect (for my taste) and no wonder that 992 doesn’t warm my heart.
I like the interior sound of the NA engine more
(on full throttle the exterior sound of the turbo model is surprisingly similar to the NA version)
Sorry but this race was completely stupid, your buddy there is an old man driving manual and you're driving PDK. Get a good driver in the 991.1 it would've been a lot closer.
That is why the perfect combo is the one I ordered. Carrera 4S with manual box and adaptive sport suspension.
One sounds good. The other sounds like a vacuum cleaner.
Can't wait to test one out. But if i was shopping for one, i would go for the 991.1 GTS, the noise it makes is so addicting.
This 991.1 didn’t have sports exhaust too which makes the sound difference smaller
Well done, thanks for this insightful bit of information. Describing the visceral elements of these cars is a huge, often overlooked aspect. My biggest regret over the trend in electric cars. Someday I hope to own a 2012-2015 CS Coupe. Silver with red interior is on my bucket list! Look forward to your next video!
991.2 got farting at shifting. We will miss 991.1. Also I didn't like the location of exhaust pipes for C2S
The 991.2 only sounds "ok" with the optional sports exhaust
this is a really well made video...impressive..
Surely one won't be missing much of the sound from the NA 991.1 in comparison to the turbocharged 991.2. It still sound great.
It sounds great! I've got one. The only people who don't like it are the 991.1 owners. Better get used to the sound because all their going hear is the 991.2 that's in front of the slow 991.1 ha ha
Have you gotten a Porsche again or whats up here? This was hella confusing! :P ... and oh god I love Porsches... there just is not nothing like them!
+Stefan Karlsson Don't be confused, the magic number is 7 and there is a goat behind the 3rd door.
I can hear the Turbo's kicking in. But you can't hear them inside the cabin. And the sound isn't bad at all. I personally had a choice between the 2016 1.1 and 1.2. I choose to buy the 2016 911 GTS. The engine sounds are awesome and being the last Naturally aspirated other than the GT3 and GT3RS. I think the GTS just might be a collectable car more sooner than later. My 2 cents worth.
Antonio Carlos it will for sure appreciate in value.
hmmm, I think you need a few more cameras
Wish I liked the 991.1 design a little better. Might have to go for 997.2, instead.
Noticed that you mention you are not a fan of PowerKit engine at around 7:45. Why?
+etc205 The lighter internals of the Powerkit engine rob it of mid range torque for what is a questionable increase in hp at the very top end. I think most people would prefer to keep the torque.
+Nick Murray not only "lighter internals". Modification to the airbox/intakes and more important, more lift for the intake valves (11,7 mm to 11.0 at high revs, 5,4mm vs 3,6mm in mid range). And yes, all of this translate into a better breathing engine but somehow less torque/pull under 4500rpm or so. The torque curves are not that wide apart though.
You can win some torque back through modification of the exhaust, but in a 911 there isn't much to modify. No room.
Great review Nick! You can really hear the turbo's spooling up in the video.
Great Video, quick question. Where do you get your GoPro mounts?
I was really waiting for a video like this one, really what I was expected! Nice review as always. Greeting from Switzerland
....also the manual 991.1 stood no chance against the 991.2's PDK.
Didn't he get rid of the car due to endless problems that even the dealership could figure out?
Your crazy. He's not pushing the 2015 to Redline
Nick, why don't you like the 3.8L engines with the power kit?
it is because of the changes on power/torque band if i am not mistaken
I prefer the 991.1 sounds so much better and looks better
The sound of 991,2 is a tragedy!
991.1 is far more better!
Next GT3 will have a manual.... decisions decisions
The guy on 991.1 shifts very bad
Did you have the PSE on your car and if yes was in on?
The 991.1 sounds a million times better than the turbo
Obviously Connecticut roads
I don't care for the look of the sports exhaust. Combined with the new engine cover, it looks like the back end of a old VW Bug. Given the noise is barely different, I would keep the stock exhaust and upgrade to a aftermarket if I wanted real noise level changes. (stock is fine with me)
Totally agree! I actually think the standard pipes look much prettier
Man it’s not even close! Pulls away easily!
nice video,and i am so happy to see you again in a porsche
One of your best videos, the scenery and CT roads are so nice.
I have to say the new turbo engine sounds like shit 😄
Do they say Mexico so they don't get in trouble
Interesting, but still keeping my 991.1 2016 GTS 4........p.s........Think I've been to that part of Mexico.
How do you like the gts, how powerful does it feel
+theSTEWiiiE Love it but have not "really" pushed it yet. Only has 900km to date and snow tires are still on it. Soon............
What head unit is that installed
On the 991.1?
I had a choice, NA or turbo in the 991.1 and 991.2. I chose the NA. I couldn’t give up the beautiful noise for a little extra torque.
Nick - so when are you dumping the BMW and buying the 991.2?
+etc205 When I feel I have way too much money wasting away in my bank account.
Nick makes some really great vids.
no rev comparsion side by side?
too bad you can't put multiple likes
Interestingly the 991.2 GTS sounds even closer to the 991.1 Maybe it's just the mic used, but I hear less of the turbo spool: ua-cam.com/video/VjvLVd0R6OE/v-deo.html&ab_channel=Automann-TV
Porsche has been making a turbo engine forever, and people used to pay high for turbo and turbo s. Now you got one at a relatively affordable price. It is reliable, faster, responsive, fuel-efficient, and so on. Get over the turbo complaints, and we need to move on.
I think Porsche have engineered their turbo charged engine sound a lot better than Ferrari (thinking of the comparison between the 458 and 488, the 488 sounds terrible).
But at the end of the day how much performance do you need/want? Personally, I'd prefer the sound over yet another hundred HP to an already super powerful car.
Oh, and one last thing. Having a turbo in a car doesn't decrease fuel consumption, it increases fuel consumption. I know from having owned turbo charged engines it doesn't matter what you do, you end up using the turbo a lot more because of the decrease in power.
Putting a turbo in a car with a smaller engine is a way of satisfying the bureaucrats in the EU who think they're helping save the environment. But these cars are only more frugal on paper.
i agree 90%, but i want to add something, to your great points. Porsche is owned by VW, who also owns Audi, and Lamborghini. I don't see the audi r8 with a N/A v10 or Huracan v10 changing to turbos, Why is that? What happened to EU regulations? why is it not effecting them Porsche? I'll tell you why, it's either a money grab, not for the environment or it's only for the uber rich in the EU to enjoy N/A motors. sad.
TheCa007 It's for the money grab.
The 991.2 is still a mile better than a 718. Shows how much a difference 2 cylinders can make. I’m a 718 GTS owner.
Nick, if you do like so much about n/a engines, why don´t you buy or just test the new gen Audi R8, V8 or V10, or both... The same group as porsche, the same quality, more beauty and more fun.
+Renan Silva Not sure about more beauty or more fun, and less seats : ( no room for my dogs and gorillas!
Right Nick, I understand (really) you.Nick Murray
Great video as always, Nick! Huge props to your friend for buying the right Porsche! 911 S with the NA 3.8, with a manual!
+Arthur Sperotto yeah, now he has to learn to drive it. Also, if you want manual in a 991.1, go for the GTS. The movement is more precise. See how the guy missed a gear during the second "drag race".
+thefridgeman For many people the GTS is a downgrade to the C2S/C4S. I have not noticed any difference in the gear movement between the C4S and the GTS, are you sure they are different?
I am not the only one. "The shift is now much better than earlier versions of the 7-speeder" C.Harris on the "Goodwood Road&Racing" site, writing about the GTS.
The old manual gearbox in the 997 GTS was waaaay better through.
I am not surprised on how hilarious the 991.2 3.0 turbo charged engine sounds lol... It reminds me of a vacuum cleaner haha