All I have to say is that you messed up on the SS+ tier. WHY👏IS👏TAINTED EVE👏NOT👏IN👏SS+ TIER👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 She literally can *OBLITERATE* bosses if you can use her correctly, her synergies with her clots are *INSANE* and she has a better Wh*re of Babylon state. It is your opinions but I’m just saying she is an SS+ tier character bc she is already broken without even needing to rig!
12:48 for Eve, I do want to say that while she has LOW utility, she doesn't actually have NO utility. she's one of the few characters who can fully exploit red hearts as a resource because Razor takes from red first while ignoring blue, which allows her to pop razor for i-frames and enter curse rooms or open spike chests for free and then collect spare red hearts off the ground. she gets Whore at 1 full red heart, which means she can stay in whore while still keeping a free razor pop queued up for the boss (with bonus bird damage!). also since she's optimal at low red HP, she gets a similar perk to the Lost where she can skip HP ups and give them to allies, and makes her a great devil deal taker she's also a team synergy character, the ability to spend HP makes her jump up when paired with a healer like Maggy or Samson (extra heart spawns counts as healer imo). this inadvertently buffs the healer too, since their utility now counts for more. Samson is an especially good pairing, because if you find a new active item you can pass the Razor to him instead so he can double dip on damage boosts overall, still a low utility character compared to Isaac, Cain, etc, but better than other minimal utility characters like Blue Baby, especially since she's a DPS so ANY utility is a nice bonus above and beyond what she needed. this is also ignoring the elephant in the room Tainted Eve, who basically does all of this but better on top of also being a better DPS
@The-ne9ut true, but then at that point you hit the question of why play ANYONE outside the top 4. You play her because you vibe with the playstyle of managing your HP as a resource and taking active control over your DPS output
@@qwart22dude can donate items to his teammates. No character other than him can just gift his friends items aside from tainted Cain but his trolling potential is just hilarious.
I feel like Tainted Forgotten is severely underrated for this. You can make full use out of items like Midas Touch, The Virus, Guillotine, and orbitals, without any of the downsides/drawbacks that they would normally have with any other character. You can take curse rooms for free by throwing the skeleton through the door on the way out, AND you can go through the mirror dimension without even having to use the white fire. That isn't even mentioning the already absurd damage multiplier T. Forgotten gets by default, so you basically have a character with decent utility, crazy good damage/DPS, AND can make use of items that you typically wouldn't be too fond of. Definitely gets an A-tier for me.
What makes tainted forgotten my favorite character is that you dont get punished for dodging. With other characters, you have to miss bullets or stop shooting entirelly in order to dodge patterns. With tainted forgotten, you get all those benefits you mentioned aswell as the ability to freely focus on dodging with no interference on your attacks. Also E.coli works on the skeleton which is crazy
They’re good… But compared with any other high power character like T.maggy or T. Judas, (not even mentioning t keeper and t Isaac) and they’re not THAT good.
having one person play tainted maggie and one other person play tainted bethany is rlly fun cause t beth can take a bunch of extra hearts for more wisps :3
Surprisingly, ppl in online multiplayer are generally really chill and allow t-cain to cook. Still really sad that we cant just look up recipes anymore but t-cain is more of a "useless item to pickup converter" wich in itself is good
@@eggshelleggshellplayed local coop today and can confirm that dark esau cant damage other players and still exists when Jacob dies so perfect for boss killing
There is a redeming factor for blue baby, devil deals only cost 1 soul heart for any character. Also, Tainted Jacob is still followed by esau in ghost baby form im pretty sure
alt blue baby is actually INSANE in co-op the creep doesnt make you slip; its just a stat buff that anyone can be on. free bombs is pretty good too but the real kicker is the holy poops. alt blue baby can just hold them above their own head and follow people around giving everyone that buff; and they can carry it between room giving you basically a permanent hallowed ground for at least the floor
I believe my boy Keeper could slip into an A. He's probably the best character to abuse sacrifice rooms. If you're concerned about paying devils deals with cash just pair him with Bethany so you can start off with angel rooms.
I just want to add some to Tainted Eden, I don't know how items pedestal work on multiplayer but I gonna assume it spawn one item for each player, so like 4 players, 4 treasure room items, with that in mind: Tainted Eden has a trick that can be abused, Tainted Eden reroll is not based on the item pool you collect, but the last pool that spawned a item So let's say you go to the treasure room and don't pick any of the items, defeat the boss and get a Devil deal, so what happen now, that 4 items you left on the treasure room, will be rerolled into DEVIL DEALS items, that apply for everything, now let's say you, for some reason decided go to the shop first, you ruined it, now every item you collect will be from the shop pool until a new item spawn You can also use items that spawn other items like the Gift into a secret room, to get secret pool items, making Tainted Eden able to turn trash in actully useful items, here a exempla: Downpoor 2, you got the treasure room, shop, killed first the boss from the mirror world, then killed the boss from the real world and spawned a Devil deal, if the Devil deal spawn any item, all items that you left behide and didn't take, will reroll into devil deal items now, so let's say like this: There was Poly, Friend Zone, Anemic and Abel in treasure room, of course only Poly was taken and the other 3 items were left behide (+3 items) In the shop there was Broken Watch for 7 cents and Poke Go for 15 cents, can buy both but didn't (+1 or +2 items) The mirror boss room had 1 Damage UP, 2 HP UP and boost pack, the team only took the Damage UP and 1 HP UP (+2 items) and finally, the real boss dropped the box, pageant boy and another 1 HP UP and 1 DMG UP, the DMG and HP UP were taken (+2 items) After spawn the Devil deal, pick whatever they could in there, T.Eden was able to take the 3 shit items on treasure room, buy Broken Watch and the boss items Taking damage into a fire place or spike and turning that 8 useless items, into DEVIL DEAL ITEMS! T.Eden by himself could carry the game if feed like that, throw the trash into him, and turn it into either Angel or Devil deal items Just remembe, EXPLORE ALL THE FLOOR FIRST, before going for the boss, all that strategy can be ruined by one random item spawning somewhere else From: Shop Restock, Skull/Vase/Mushroom spawning a item, someone using gift outside of the Devil/Angel/Secret room, Mini Bosses and chests dropping items With that all in mind, Tainted Eden could have so many potential that it DO NOT DESERVE be in Trolling tier, if the run is bad, T.Eden turn trash into Gold and support their team, if the run is good, T.Eden can be supported by their team, I think they atlest deserve a A or S, having 8 devil deals item from floor 2 is no joke -With byass, a Tainted Eden enjoyer
48:30 also you could throw the skeleton through a door to get to the next room, and since the skeleton can't take damage, you could use the T. Forgoten to get free cursed room
Maggy not being immediately SS+ is crazy also, you guys failed to acknowledge blue baby's powerful ability of being able to spawn blue flies from poops (an ability which extends to _all_ characters, not just him (at least that's how it is in local coop)), which I think makes him C tier, trolling tier _minimum_ I think t. samson is kinda bad for multiplayer specifically since everyone has to work _around him_, like when he goes berserk he's just gonna schmoove and he's not gonna wait for you
Ngl, their tier list is kinda scuffed putting TBB in bottom tier. The amount of effects his poop mechanic gives is fucking nuts, not to mention that they can all stack. Basically, if the player knows what he's doing, TBB is probably SS+ tier for how much utility he brings
Agree with a lot of the tier list. But the one I disagree with most is weirdly T.Eden. At first I was like "yeah hes a griefer character" but then I thought about it. If you have 4 players and are getting about 4x items. That is 4x as many bad items. Even if you do usually have 1-2 reroll characters. Having T.Eden means you have a dedicated garbage dump. He can literally take every single bad item that no one wants and randomly turn them into an acceptable build. Hes honestly one of the characters that is most improved by being played in a multiplayer environment. Is he suddenly amazing? Not really, but I do think he ends up in b or c tier due to his ability to be a backup reroll. Having an extra isaac is still better in 90% of cases, but Assuming 2-3 rerolls would still end up with *some* bad items makes him decent enough. I'm also curious if his breakfast immunity works in multiplayer.
nah you guys completely forgot about blue baby with midas touch generating gold poops almost every room, making him the biggest money maker in issac with one item
Here's a build Raw strength: T-lilith [whip, and Her synergies] Support: T-isaac [reroll] Backup: T-blue baby [hear me out, the poops can give some crazy temporary buffs when needed]
I mostly agree but Lazarus should be near bethany in the tierlist honestly 1:free devil deals if you keep your extra life 2:you actually keep some damage when going to the next floor which makes lazarus have amazing damage even with no dmg ups if you use that mechanic well 3:The pill with a character like cain does actually help usually I can kinda see how kinda useless having a laz is but having a strong, extra life makes it one of the most powerful characters You can be either really defensive or really offensive with him too just depending on how good the team is
Only tainted laz player on earth here, tainted laz has a decent bit of utility for if you have the charge getting you 2 Angel room items, 2 treasure room, 2 Devil deal, 2 shop and 2 secret room pedestal items. And with that the 2nd Devil deal and shop item is free even if the other one would cost more coins/hearts. Another tiny quirk he has is in downpour/mines if you pick the mystery item and then he flips the other item will be visible as what it actually is. Which can be good for transformation progress.
Ok hear me out, Tainted Eden COULD be a solid b-tier character in the hands of someone not trolling. Any time you get a really crappy item, like mom's razor or lil' portal, give it to them and they'll probably get something better out of it once they get hit, while all of the actually good items get split between the other players. That way, you'll never truly get bad items. You could even have them reroll a bad active item a few times til they get something good out of it.
I don't know if you brought this up or if it's different in multiplayer, but Tainted Lost also can't find items like Book of Revelations / Satanic Bible, almost all flight items, and then just a bunch of other defensive items as well, like The Swarm or Holy Mantle.
If they add mod compatibility to online play at some point, your gonna have to make a tier list for the modded characters (like Fiend, Golem, Samael, Arachna, current tarnished characters, usually the well made ones)
if you run the SS+ squad azazel and t-isaac cant get any health because keeper turns soul black and red hearts into flies and t-lost gets rid of hp ups
I think multiplayer will prevent hearts from turning into flies if anyone is a character other than a Keeper. T. Lost removing HP ups is definitely a problem though.
Pitching my prediction, T. Jacob either A or S. With Dark Esau, Jacob can do a ton of damage to bosses and groups of enemies, and Dark Esau doesn't harm other players. However he can harm Jacob, allowing a pseudo Lost until Jacob dies.
Time to do videos with everyone picking one character no dupes for each tier. Have a trolling tier video then maybe a c tier then a then ss+ tier. Should have videos where people who have played issac recommend you seeds they’ve had or played you don’t know anything but you have to experience the fun or debauchery. Lol! Awesome video!
tainted jacob personally is ss+ tier and i always pick him, you can super feed one guy items, and you'll be fine because dark esau still does stupid damage anyways. no dps is required for tainted jacob, only survivability
Y’all literally brought up issac can troll by rerolling good items and ignored it under the assumption that you’re playing to win, and then turn around and say Apollyon is bad for doing that.
Only thing I'd disagree with is Lazarus. I think he's probably around the middle or top of B tier. Since he has an extra life every floor, he can take devil deals regardless of his health, die, and then come back. Sure, he'll be one one heart now, but he still has an extra life for the next floor.
Nawh T.??? is underrated, don't do my homie like that. I know he has commissioned over 100 artists for fart fetish art and animations, but that doesn't mean he's scum of the earth!!!
hot take: blue baby and base apollyon are good, blue baby might not seem like the best character at first but he can be useful if u stack poops for blue flies for bosses with his item, base apollyon can just ignore bad items, while apollyon trade up for status bonus which could be bad but depends on ur luck
Btw Xbox has local co op and item rooms only have 1 item and it doesn’t re roll once someone grabs it it’s just gone also it does the 1 item and if picked up rerolls on boss rooms
when tainted beth dies her wisps also stay alive with her except they become 100% invulnerable, if she has a bunch of them then she can die and do a ton of contact damage even after dead w/o taking items from other players like t.apollyon also if you have enough wisps to make a considerably sized ring of protection you could probably use a dead tainted beth w/wisps to stand inside another living player to make them damn near invulnerable
Something silly about Eden, my 3rd eden run (first I got soy holy mantle, second I got sharp straw and the blood baby or whatever) Then, the thirs eden run was the most defensive yet. Psy fly host hat. Then later on the run I got pyro and ipecac AND a blind R key!
I'd say ??? is at least C tier, the effects of blue flies extends to everyone on the game, and he has a reduced cost of blue hearts on Devil deals, also you can use his Poop to create bridges if you place a bomb on a 1 by 1 gap, he's not the best, but it has some support utility for sure.
tainted ??? is a great support class, his shit grenades and the holy shit is good enough for helping out the entire team for helping with crowd control, directly and indirectly from the person playing as T.???
Honestly I woulda looked at great charcuterie synergy as in who works well with who a good one is either Maggie tainted or not alongside tainted eve making inf clots which equals inf dmg. Another set is either of the Keepers set up with any soul/black heart only character or Judas allowing them to maintain their already fragile defenses, though keeper anti synergies with both The Lost variants seeing as they already take devil deals for free. Speaking of The Lost I’d pair him with Judas for early devil deal guarantees for floor 2 and possibly 3 alongside Tainted Isaac to shove items over to Judas if need be. Forgotten I’d say is weak he has limited HP seeing a she can only have bone hearts (skeleton man) then soul/black hearts for The Soul meaning he has perks hp loss from bone heart loss, to fix that I’d pair him with Maggie to help maintain bone hearts for as long as possible. Bethany with any soul/black heart only charcuterie to make angels easier to achieve because angels are free provided you skip floor 2 devil if you got it even making her a pseudo support for them. Obviously unneeded to be said but either Isaac can just help break runs for any character, though he would have the most potential with The lost for free devils to boost the glass canons dmg more and/or Cain due to high luck making beggars easier to pay out and with the possibility of pills leading to 48 hour energy meaning more rerolls which can lead to massive breaks coupled with any method to make more pedestals Via other character carrying said duping items. Jacob and Esau I will defend they have a large amount of utility sure they need double the items but they can also carry double the items (pills/cards, trinkets, and actives) meaning they can help rig the game or even support other players, for example make one a tank/healer and the other all about DPS support or have them carry unwanted items for the twin designated as trash in case a refill of a build is found via genesis or D4 dice/room making a secondary build. To put this into prospective they can on their own carry two reroll utility items D6 and spin down for example for item rigging maximization to boost other charcuterie build or either of their own, or they can have health pills can carry 48 hour energy pills for Isaac the list can go on. Oh and they also help counter the anti item synergy problem with e in g able to spilt items into two functional builds (less useful due to 4 player max but still helpful) which can become strong if used right.
While I get tlost removed HP Ups from the pool could be good, I don’t see it good for a Devil focused run, or randoms, since people can get hit pretty hit, or TMaggy. Or missing out on defensive items. Also feel TMaggy should be SS+ because she is mad powerful, being able to tank and hold off enemies, all the while healing up health.
I think that tainted lost Wo would be kind of bad because you get it gets rid of all health and flight items for the rest of the team although it can get rid of bad items it still gets rid of all health ups and flight I would put him in s because if he is with characters with low defence there just gonna die plus he can die really easily and you lose the sacred orb buff (maybe)
Anyone who talks about "you lose your build when you take damage" with T. Eden is missing the point. Nobody wants to take a bad item; Tainted Eden will, because they can turn that into something much better while freeing up better items for other players. On top of that, Tainted Eden sometimes rolls into those utility items nobody would willingly take, meaning they can fill a lot of weird niches that might otherwise go unfilled. Definitely not the strongest, but I certainly helped teammates a ton in online co-op just by rolling into stuff like Boomerang or Notched Axe. Not to mention that T. Eden can also just reroll bad consumables or trinkets into better ones for other players to take.
Tainted keeper in ss+ is just stupid. Dont get me wrong hes really powerfull when youre playing alone. But in normal coop its way to hard to have enough money to give everyone an item. So hes kinda bad in coop.
People keep brining up how items would be too expensive to get everyone one with T-keeper, but no ones considering the fact that Coop T-keeper might just have an increase in coin value and/or coins may drop more per kill. Risk of Rain had this problem, the solution was the fact that more characters can do more work at a time. The solution for this would be making Keeper drop more money. It doesnt even incentivise greedy plays, keeper is making coins that are shared universally
Fun fact: On console co-op, if a T-Lazarus player died, at the next room he will revive and switch between the ghost baby form and the "lived" form all room. Also if he's dead during the Boss fight, he won't revived completely and still switch between a ghost and his "playable" form.
Lazarus I'd argue is A tier. Two reasons. One you regain the extra life after moving on to the next floor, and each time you die you gain a permanent +0.5 damage up. A strategy is to die each floor to gain permanent +0.5 damage ups.
t.lost also has more defense cause 3 others players take agro. but can also die from the flame in shop lol t.keeper in opposite has less defense cause others will just take your health by accident t.bethany can pass on items and still being usefull. And if she die with her wisp, she can do insane contact damages + block tears with infinite health wisp . You can also have bad items for everyone.
the best squad team will prolly be 1 tainted lost,2 the losts and 1 magdalene, the tainted lost to stop any useless item for the other 2 losts and himself from spawning, and maggy since she can heal herself and be the tank for the other 3 characters (maggy replaceable with issac)
actually tainted ??? is pretty much a support character that isnt so bad, it can summon the white poop and buff everyone else for an entire floor, the literal holy shit
Betanny is S, just beacuase is a big shield for the team. And when she is dead is even better she transform in an invulnerable shield and u can do constant damage at the boss and the infinite willow wisp combo isnt hard for get
y'all saying t Lilith has "low survivability" is kinda crazy. She has great knockback and gello can whip through obstacles. For enemies that you don't want to get close to, just hide behind a rock and let the little dude who has aimbot take care of it. Also gello can push items so you have to deal with spikes far less often. Even the fact that she doesn't benefit much from items like quad shot could be seen as a positive since that means she'll take less resources from other players. t Lilith 🔛🔝
In my opinion as an azazel fan the forgotten is actually better than azazel. It can do most things azazel can but can also regenerate health which azazel could do with some hp up but I wouldn't personally rely on that. You can also use ranged attacks with the soul and on the topic of the soul FREE DEVIL DEALS.
Next video we will show you the power of the SS+ squad
Feel free to discuss what you think about character placements!
Don't forget the trolling squad and kicked trio
I love the SS!!!
Watch as they die 4 times in a row and dont even make it to a final boss
All I have to say is that you messed up on the SS+ tier.
WHY👏IS👏TAINTED EVE👏NOT👏IN👏SS+ TIER👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
She literally can *OBLITERATE* bosses if you can use her correctly, her synergies with her clots are *INSANE* and she has a better Wh*re of Babylon state.
It is your opinions but I’m just saying she is an SS+ tier character bc she is already broken without even needing to rig!
also love your content!
12:48 for Eve, I do want to say that while she has LOW utility, she doesn't actually have NO utility. she's one of the few characters who can fully exploit red hearts as a resource because Razor takes from red first while ignoring blue, which allows her to pop razor for i-frames and enter curse rooms or open spike chests for free and then collect spare red hearts off the ground. she gets Whore at 1 full red heart, which means she can stay in whore while still keeping a free razor pop queued up for the boss (with bonus bird damage!). also since she's optimal at low red HP, she gets a similar perk to the Lost where she can skip HP ups and give them to allies, and makes her a great devil deal taker
she's also a team synergy character, the ability to spend HP makes her jump up when paired with a healer like Maggy or Samson (extra heart spawns counts as healer imo). this inadvertently buffs the healer too, since their utility now counts for more. Samson is an especially good pairing, because if you find a new active item you can pass the Razor to him instead so he can double dip on damage boosts
overall, still a low utility character compared to Isaac, Cain, etc, but better than other minimal utility characters like Blue Baby, especially since she's a DPS so ANY utility is a nice bonus above and beyond what she needed. this is also ignoring the elephant in the room Tainted Eve, who basically does all of this but better on top of also being a better DPS
While I agree I see no reason to use her over Samson who has child's heart and gets a direct damage buff from getting hurt
@The-ne9ut true, but then at that point you hit the question of why play ANYONE outside the top 4. You play her because you vibe with the playstyle of managing your HP as a resource and taking active control over your DPS output
Tainted Isaac is gonna be the ultimate support character.
Tainted Isaac and Isaac is stupid op
Or tlost. Albeit no more hp upgrades can be scary for the rest.
@@qwart22dude can donate items to his teammates. No character other than him can just gift his friends items aside from tainted Cain but his trolling potential is just hilarious.
@@art-cs6usrip Judas players
@@nicholasaugello2534tainted cain can't make pedestals tho
I feel like Tainted Forgotten is severely underrated for this. You can make full use out of items like Midas Touch, The Virus, Guillotine, and orbitals, without any of the downsides/drawbacks that they would normally have with any other character. You can take curse rooms for free by throwing the skeleton through the door on the way out, AND you can go through the mirror dimension without even having to use the white fire. That isn't even mentioning the already absurd damage multiplier T. Forgotten gets by default, so you basically have a character with decent utility, crazy good damage/DPS, AND can make use of items that you typically wouldn't be too fond of. Definitely gets an A-tier for me.
I were with you until the mirror dimension without white fire, like, who cares 😂😂
@@soulfi7734 it still guarantees you won't die after 2 consecutive hits in one room, so it has potential as an advantage
What makes tainted forgotten my favorite character is that you dont get punished for dodging.
With other characters, you have to miss bullets or stop shooting entirelly in order to dodge patterns. With tainted forgotten, you get all those benefits you mentioned aswell as the ability to freely focus on dodging with no interference on your attacks.
Also E.coli works on the skeleton which is crazy
@@SquedMoyai I think TForgotten is genuinely the only character on which you would actively want E. Coli
They’re good…
But compared with any other high power character like T.maggy or T. Judas, (not even mentioning t keeper and t Isaac) and they’re not THAT good.
having one person play tainted maggie and one other person play tainted bethany is rlly fun cause t beth can take a bunch of extra hearts for more wisps :3
Surprisingly, ppl in online multiplayer are generally really chill and allow t-cain to cook.
Still really sad that we cant just look up recipes anymore but t-cain is more of a "useless item to pickup converter" wich in itself is good
cant wait to play a game with tainted cain, tainted blue baby, jacob & esau, and tainted eden.
tbh tainted jacob is the ultimate troll character
@@alphatherandom4866doesnt Dark Esau chase *only* T.jacob?
@@eggshelleggshellplayed local coop today and can confirm that dark esau cant damage other players and still exists when Jacob dies so perfect for boss killing
Tainted blue baby is quite literally one of the best but y'all afraid to admit that
@@eggshelleggshell you can use your anima sola to make dark esau dash into one of the co-op players
There is a redeming factor for blue baby, devil deals only cost 1 soul heart for any character. Also, Tainted Jacob is still followed by esau in ghost baby form im pretty sure
Blue baby also spawns flies from poop!!!
blue baby doesnt necessarily make devils cost one soul heart. It just makes them cost the red heart price
alt blue baby is actually INSANE in co-op
the creep doesnt make you slip; its just a stat buff that anyone can be on. free bombs is pretty good too but the real kicker is the holy poops. alt blue baby can just hold them above their own head and follow people around giving everyone that buff; and they can carry it between room giving you basically a permanent hallowed ground for at least the floor
but there's one downside that ruins it, ALL bombs turn into poop and tainted blue baby is the only one able to use the poop
I believe my boy Keeper could slip into an A. He's probably the best character to abuse sacrifice rooms. If you're concerned about paying devils deals with cash just pair him with Bethany so you can start off with angel rooms.
Something you forgot with T. Eden is that it can get one of it's items rerolled into TMTRAINER and at a point where it has too many items to tell.
Outside of greed mode, tmtrainer is only available in the secret room pool, so in coop, just dont give any secret room items to her
love seeing y'all capitalzlize on this big coming update, super fun vids too
lilith can also get twisted pair. not only incubus. if you get twisted pair i'd just put every good item into her
Plus she doubles familiars
I just want to add some to Tainted Eden, I don't know how items pedestal work on multiplayer but I gonna assume it spawn one item for each player, so like 4 players, 4 treasure room items, with that in mind:
Tainted Eden has a trick that can be abused, Tainted Eden reroll is not based on the item pool you collect, but the last pool that spawned a item
So let's say you go to the treasure room and don't pick any of the items, defeat the boss and get a Devil deal, so what happen now, that 4 items you left on the treasure room, will be rerolled into DEVIL DEALS items, that apply for everything, now let's say you, for some reason decided go to the shop first, you ruined it, now every item you collect will be from the shop pool until a new item spawn
You can also use items that spawn other items like the Gift into a secret room, to get secret pool items, making Tainted Eden able to turn trash in actully useful items, here a exempla:
Downpoor 2, you got the treasure room, shop, killed first the boss from the mirror world, then killed the boss from the real world and spawned a Devil deal, if the Devil deal spawn any item, all items that you left behide and didn't take, will reroll into devil deal items now, so let's say like this:
There was Poly, Friend Zone, Anemic and Abel in treasure room, of course only Poly was taken and the other 3 items were left behide (+3 items)
In the shop there was Broken Watch for 7 cents and Poke Go for 15 cents, can buy both but didn't (+1 or +2 items)
The mirror boss room had 1 Damage UP, 2 HP UP and boost pack, the team only took the Damage UP and 1 HP UP (+2 items)
and finally, the real boss dropped the box, pageant boy and another 1 HP UP and 1 DMG UP, the DMG and HP UP were taken (+2 items)
After spawn the Devil deal, pick whatever they could in there, T.Eden was able to take the 3 shit items on treasure room, buy Broken Watch and the boss items
Taking damage into a fire place or spike and turning that 8 useless items, into DEVIL DEAL ITEMS!
T.Eden by himself could carry the game if feed like that, throw the trash into him, and turn it into either Angel or Devil deal items
Just remembe, EXPLORE ALL THE FLOOR FIRST, before going for the boss, all that strategy can be ruined by one random item spawning somewhere else
From:
Shop Restock, Skull/Vase/Mushroom spawning a item, someone using gift outside of the Devil/Angel/Secret room, Mini Bosses and chests dropping items
With that all in mind, Tainted Eden could have so many potential that it DO NOT DESERVE be in Trolling tier, if the run is bad, T.Eden turn trash into Gold and support their team, if the run is good, T.Eden can be supported by their team, I think they atlest deserve a A or S, having 8 devil deals item from floor 2 is no joke
-With byass, a Tainted Eden enjoyer
Remember that regular Issac can reroll items which is crazy good with co op
48:30 also you could throw the skeleton through a door to get to the next room, and since the skeleton can't take damage, you could use the T. Forgoten to get free cursed room
Maggy not being immediately SS+ is crazy
also, you guys failed to acknowledge blue baby's powerful ability of being able to spawn blue flies from poops (an ability which extends to _all_ characters, not just him (at least that's how it is in local coop)), which I think makes him C tier, trolling tier _minimum_
I think t. samson is kinda bad for multiplayer specifically since everyone has to work _around him_, like when he goes berserk he's just gonna schmoove and he's not gonna wait for you
Ngl, their tier list is kinda scuffed putting TBB in bottom tier. The amount of effects his poop mechanic gives is fucking nuts, not to mention that they can all stack. Basically, if the player knows what he's doing, TBB is probably SS+ tier for how much utility he brings
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Agree with a lot of the tier list. But the one I disagree with most is weirdly T.Eden. At first I was like "yeah hes a griefer character" but then I thought about it. If you have 4 players and are getting about 4x items. That is 4x as many bad items. Even if you do usually have 1-2 reroll characters. Having T.Eden means you have a dedicated garbage dump. He can literally take every single bad item that no one wants and randomly turn them into an acceptable build. Hes honestly one of the characters that is most improved by being played in a multiplayer environment.
Is he suddenly amazing? Not really, but I do think he ends up in b or c tier due to his ability to be a backup reroll. Having an extra isaac is still better in 90% of cases, but Assuming 2-3 rerolls would still end up with *some* bad items makes him decent enough.
I'm also curious if his breakfast immunity works in multiplayer.
Cool list, now we need a video of you guys playing winstreak with azazel, t.isaac, t.lost and t.keeper
one thing forgotten about the lost (although same with tainted lost) is that you get free devil deals.
I actually love Apollyon. He absolutely CARRIED me to my first Mother victory. If you use shops, It's actually insane.
I also love Apollyon
I love the constant buzzing in the background
Cain is legit my favorite character! Being blind in my left eye I resonate with his eye patch plus he is pretty nut!
Grinding out pubs is going to be so fucking hype i cant wait
Didn’t mention azazels range is bad but range ups increase the length of his brimstone
nah you guys completely forgot about blue baby with midas touch generating gold poops almost every room, making him the biggest money maker in issac with one item
The laz take is the most insane thing ive ever seen
What you mean?
Samson/Maggie combo I think would just be goated
You forgot to mention that tainted isaac can also even trade away his items
Thats after getting 8 items, and an item goon might try to yoink all the good items before he even gets a chance
Here's a build
Raw strength: T-lilith [whip, and Her synergies]
Support: T-isaac [reroll]
Backup: T-blue baby [hear me out, the poops can give some crazy temporary buffs when needed]
kinda crazy how ive been watching this channel for a year, its been so cool watching you grow :3
I mostly agree but Lazarus should be near bethany in the tierlist honestly
1:free devil deals if you keep your extra life
2:you actually keep some damage when going to the next floor which makes lazarus have amazing damage even with no dmg ups if you use that mechanic well
3:The pill with a character like cain does actually help usually
I can kinda see how kinda useless having a laz is but having a strong, extra life makes it one of the most powerful characters
You can be either really defensive or really offensive with him too just depending on how good the team is
Only tainted laz player on earth here, tainted laz has a decent bit of utility for if you have the charge getting you 2 Angel room items, 2 treasure room, 2 Devil deal, 2 shop and 2 secret room pedestal items. And with that the 2nd Devil deal and shop item is free even if the other one would cost more coins/hearts.
Another tiny quirk he has is in downpour/mines if you pick the mystery item and then he flips the other item will be visible as what it actually is. Which can be good for transformation progress.
Ok hear me out, Tainted Eden COULD be a solid b-tier character in the hands of someone not trolling. Any time you get a really crappy item, like mom's razor or lil' portal, give it to them and they'll probably get something better out of it once they get hit, while all of the actually good items get split between the other players. That way, you'll never truly get bad items. You could even have them reroll a bad active item a few times til they get something good out of it.
I don't know if you brought this up or if it's different in multiplayer, but Tainted Lost also can't find items like Book of Revelations / Satanic Bible, almost all flight items, and then just a bunch of other defensive items as well, like The Swarm or Holy Mantle.
If they add mod compatibility to online play at some point, your gonna have to make a tier list for the modded characters (like Fiend, Golem, Samael, Arachna, current tarnished characters, usually the well made ones)
I feel like T. Zach's gonna get put in "you're getting kicked" purely for making the game straight up harder for everyone else.
honestly so hype for online coop
if you run the SS+ squad azazel and t-isaac cant get any health because keeper turns soul black and red hearts into flies and t-lost gets rid of hp ups
I think multiplayer will prevent hearts from turning into flies if anyone is a character other than a Keeper. T. Lost removing HP ups is definitely a problem though.
Pitching my prediction, T. Jacob either A or S. With Dark Esau, Jacob can do a ton of damage to bosses and groups of enemies, and Dark Esau doesn't harm other players. However he can harm Jacob, allowing a pseudo Lost until Jacob dies.
Time to do videos with everyone picking one character no dupes for each tier. Have a trolling tier video then maybe a c tier then a then ss+ tier.
Should have videos where people who have played issac recommend you seeds they’ve had or played you don’t know anything but you have to experience the fun or debauchery. Lol!
Awesome video!
tainted jacob personally is ss+ tier and i always pick him, you can super feed one guy items, and you'll be fine because dark esau still does stupid damage anyways. no dps is required for tainted jacob, only survivability
no
note, for eternal D6, its EACH item has a chance to be destroyed, not crooked penny destruction.
hour long lonslo video? god has blessed us
i found the perfect mod "Gothic Maggy"
The lost is ss+ for me because if he dies and respawns he cant spawn with 0.5 hearts
Y’all literally brought up issac can troll by rerolling good items and ignored it under the assumption that you’re playing to win, and then turn around and say Apollyon is bad for doing that.
11:07 devil deals
Only thing I'd disagree with is Lazarus. I think he's probably around the middle or top of B tier. Since he has an extra life every floor, he can take devil deals regardless of his health, die, and then come back. Sure, he'll be one one heart now, but he still has an extra life for the next floor.
Nawh T.??? is underrated, don't do my homie like that.
I know he has commissioned over 100 artists for fart fetish art and animations, but that doesn't mean he's scum of the earth!!!
Wtf 😂
Holy shit, t??? is pyrocynical?!
@@art-cs6usthat’s fat fetish art not fart fetish art
We all know the meta will be Tainted Lost, Tainted Cain, Tainted ???, and Keeper
hot take: blue baby and base apollyon are good, blue baby might not seem like the best character at first but he can be useful if u stack poops for blue flies for bosses with his item, base apollyon can just ignore bad items, while apollyon trade up for status bonus which could be bad but depends on ur luck
Btw Xbox has local co op and item rooms only have 1 item and it doesn’t re roll once someone grabs it it’s just gone also it does the 1 item and if picked up rerolls on boss rooms
Hell yeah tainted löst s tier
why did you say löst instead of lost?
The Forgotten's body can block shots when in soul mode, which can be a good defense against endgame bosses
this feature makes second phase mega satan a non issue
Really good list for me
But still you should be able to play with every char you want, so a kicking button shouldn't be
0:34 for utility lost, t-isaac, and t-judas come to mind
Lost, free curse rooms
T-isaac, free reroll
T-judas, free curse rooms/ can delete tears
Wait wouldn't tainted lost make it so no health ups, spectral tears flight etc?
when tainted beth dies her wisps also stay alive with her except they become 100% invulnerable, if she has a bunch of them then she can die and do a ton of contact damage even after dead w/o taking items from other players like t.apollyon
also if you have enough wisps to make a considerably sized ring of protection you could probably use a dead tainted beth w/wisps to stand inside another living player to make them damn near invulnerable
In 2 seconds we will find out it was just a big troll
Very cool I will be only using the worst characters though
Every character is T. Jacob
Blue baby would be op for soul heart only characters since it makes them cost 1-2 soul hearts rather then 3
Something silly about Eden, my 3rd eden run (first I got soy holy mantle, second I got sharp straw and the blood baby or whatever) Then, the thirs eden run was the most defensive yet. Psy fly host hat. Then later on the run I got pyro and ipecac AND a blind R key!
I'd say ??? is at least C tier, the effects of blue flies extends to everyone on the game, and he has a reduced cost of blue hearts on Devil deals, also you can use his Poop to create bridges if you place a bomb on a 1 by 1 gap, he's not the best, but it has some support utility for sure.
tainted ??? is a great support class, his shit grenades and the holy shit is good enough for helping out the entire team for helping with crowd control, directly and indirectly from the person playing as T.???
Honestly I woulda looked at great charcuterie synergy as in who works well with who a good one is either Maggie tainted or not alongside tainted eve making inf clots which equals inf dmg.
Another set is either of the Keepers set up with any soul/black heart only character or Judas allowing them to maintain their already fragile defenses, though keeper anti synergies with both The Lost variants seeing as they already take devil deals for free.
Speaking of The Lost I’d pair him with Judas for early devil deal guarantees for floor 2 and possibly 3 alongside Tainted Isaac to shove items over to Judas if need be.
Forgotten I’d say is weak he has limited HP seeing a she can only have bone hearts (skeleton man) then soul/black hearts for The Soul meaning he has perks hp loss from bone heart loss, to fix that I’d pair him with Maggie to help maintain bone hearts for as long as possible.
Bethany with any soul/black heart only charcuterie to make angels easier to achieve because angels are free provided you skip floor 2 devil if you got it even making her a pseudo support for them.
Obviously unneeded to be said but either Isaac can just help break runs for any character, though he would have the most potential with The lost for free devils to boost the glass canons dmg more and/or Cain due to high luck making beggars easier to pay out and with the possibility of pills leading to 48 hour energy meaning more rerolls which can lead to massive breaks coupled with any method to make more pedestals Via other character carrying said duping items.
Jacob and Esau I will defend they have a large amount of utility sure they need double the items but they can also carry double the items (pills/cards, trinkets, and actives) meaning they can help rig the game or even support other players, for example make one a tank/healer and the other all about DPS support or have them carry unwanted items for the twin designated as trash in case a refill of a build is found via genesis or D4 dice/room making a secondary build. To put this into prospective they can on their own carry two reroll utility items D6 and spin down for example for item rigging maximization to boost other charcuterie build or either of their own, or they can have health pills can carry 48 hour energy pills for Isaac the list can go on. Oh and they also help counter the anti item synergy problem with e in g able to spilt items into two functional builds (less useful due to 4 player max but still helpful) which can become strong if used right.
Tainted lost just removes items that are bad for the lost specifically, including extra lives, so i think t lost is a kick character
He also removes quality 0 items, and makes quality 1 and 2 significantly less likely to appear
Remember, it pays to double check things before talking about them so you dont spread misinformation and make yourself look dumb
While I get tlost removed HP Ups from the pool could be good, I don’t see it good for a Devil focused run, or randoms, since people can get hit pretty hit, or TMaggy. Or missing out on defensive items.
Also feel TMaggy should be SS+ because she is mad powerful, being able to tank and hold off enemies, all the while healing up health.
I think that tainted lost Wo would be kind of bad because you get it gets rid of all health and flight items for the rest of the team although it can get rid of bad items it still gets rid of all health ups and flight I would put him in s because if he is with characters with low defence there just gonna die plus he can die really easily and you lose the sacred orb buff (maybe)
Yea but idk
Don't you guys know that Blue Baby got buffed about a year ago? Most of the characters are still much better, but he's not that bad now.
Anyone who talks about "you lose your build when you take damage" with T. Eden is missing the point. Nobody wants to take a bad item; Tainted Eden will, because they can turn that into something much better while freeing up better items for other players. On top of that, Tainted Eden sometimes rolls into those utility items nobody would willingly take, meaning they can fill a lot of weird niches that might otherwise go unfilled. Definitely not the strongest, but I certainly helped teammates a ton in online co-op just by rolling into stuff like Boomerang or Notched Axe. Not to mention that T. Eden can also just reroll bad consumables or trinkets into better ones for other players to take.
Tainted keeper in ss+ is just stupid. Dont get me wrong hes really powerfull when youre playing alone. But in normal coop its way to hard to have enough money to give everyone an item. So hes kinda bad in coop.
One thing you missed is that with ??? Devil deals for soul hearts only cost 1.
People keep brining up how items would be too expensive to get everyone one with T-keeper, but no ones considering the fact that Coop T-keeper might just have an increase in coin value and/or coins may drop more per kill. Risk of Rain had this problem, the solution was the fact that more characters can do more work at a time. The solution for this would be making Keeper drop more money. It doesnt even incentivise greedy plays, keeper is making coins that are shared universally
Fun fact: On console co-op, if a T-Lazarus player died, at the next room he will revive and switch between the ghost baby form and the "lived" form all room.
Also if he's dead during the Boss fight, he won't revived completely and still switch between a ghost and his "playable" form.
laz just works, man
You guys forgor t.maggy has pocket yum heart as well which moves her up one tier
Lazarus I'd argue is A tier. Two reasons. One you regain the extra life after moving on to the next floor, and each time you die you gain a permanent +0.5 damage up. A strategy is to die each floor to gain permanent +0.5 damage ups.
This is a multiplayer ranking, in multiplayer he doesn't provide anything of value to the team and just does his own thing
t. keeper with golden mother's kiss is goated
t.lost also has more defense cause 3 others players take agro. but can also die from the flame in shop lol
t.keeper in opposite has less defense cause others will just take your health by accident
t.bethany can pass on items and still being usefull. And if she die with her wisp, she can do insane contact damages + block tears with infinite health wisp . You can also have bad items for everyone.
you forgot random.....
@lemons38 deffo getting nerfed when the co-op patch comes out though
Tainted ??? is SSS+++ tier, change my mind
He can become a stationary powerhouse when needed. He's a pretty good backup character
Tainted jacob will definitely be the ultimate troll character
the best squad team will prolly be 1 tainted lost,2 the losts and 1 magdalene, the tainted lost to stop any useless item for the other 2 losts and himself from spawning, and maggy since she can heal herself and be the tank for the other 3 characters (maggy replaceable with issac)
1 HOUR LONSLO VIDEO??
actually tainted ??? is pretty much a support character that isnt so bad, it can summon the white poop and buff everyone else for an entire floor, the literal holy shit
I adore Judas for the fact that if I don't clutch up, I dont play. That and I love being able to melt a boss should the zel kick the bucket.
Doesn't flip make it so you can get double items in treasure rooms? I'd say that's pretty unique utility for T. Laz.
Insert that meme of the kids on the couch discussing
I love how he says apoppalon even tho there is one P
Blue baby got the flies tho
Betanny is S, just beacuase is a big shield for the team. And when she is dead is even better she transform in an invulnerable shield and u can do constant damage at the boss and the infinite willow wisp combo isnt hard for get
Finally, the master tier list
y'all saying t Lilith has "low survivability" is kinda crazy. She has great knockback and gello can whip through obstacles. For enemies that you don't want to get close to, just hide behind a rock and let the little dude who has aimbot take care of it. Also gello can push items so you have to deal with spikes far less often. Even the fact that she doesn't benefit much from items like quad shot could be seen as a positive since that means she'll take less resources from other players. t Lilith 🔛🔝
imo T. Lost would be tricky to work out because he cancels hp items, extra lifes and mantle
The lost is free curse rooms for the whole team as well.
Comp teams in issac gonna go krazy
osrs music got me tripping when i heard this falling asleep
When Lazarus dies he keeps some of the stats he gets for reviving like some perma stats
In my opinion as an azazel fan the forgotten is actually better than azazel. It can do most things azazel can but can also regenerate health which azazel could do with some hp up but I wouldn't personally rely on that. You can also use ranged attacks with the soul and on the topic of the soul FREE DEVIL DEALS.