LAWYER: 5 Tips When Cops DEMAND Your ID
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- If a police officer walks up and demands your identification, can you refuse? When can cops force you to ID and what protections do you have under the law? Learn the top 5 tips of what to do when cops demand your identification! Know Your Rights & Protect Yourself!
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'It's not defense that you did not know a law'
Unless you're a cop in which case you have Qualified Immunity, because it's too hard for cops to know all the laws but you are expected to.
👍 A thousand times!
And they routinely make fun of citizens when they know the law "are you a lawyer?"
The cop often denies knowledge of the law, so they can abuse your rights; after all, they have immunity, and they will take full advantage because they want to.
@@jeffkidder5282 Isn't ignorance of the law not an excuse?
@eroseland I've heard it said, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." I think this was said by a law official, of course. I'd like to know what the law states and where to find it stated.
The law, nation wide, should and must be that they must provide reasonable articulable suspicion prior to requiring you to provide ID and in order to detain you. Otherwise, this is not a free country.
I support this fully. Force cops to make the statement why they were pulled over. If it's later determined to have been fabricated, cop to jail for unlawful detention, official misconduct, etc.
Free country left the building 200 years ago.
Agreed. And when they state, you were speeding, your tail light is out, you swerved... produce your ID. TOO often, police are told, "I didn't know that was law....speed limit...". I have heard from many police officers, "that driver told me Georgia law does not apply bc I live in _________, not in Georgia." If you have diplomatic immunity, show your ID.
I agree entirely. No RAS or probable cause or statement of traffic violation = no ID
They don't have to do squat . you're on point , we are not a free society. I just laugh when I hear Trump supporters talk about freedom, you have the right to remain silent, I blame juries, they are manipulated, they throw ringers in their that take over and people fall right in line., judges used to be in partial most places, not anymore, people are convicted with absolutely no evidence. It's just a prosecutors theory. Watch date line or court TV. It's a screwed up deal.
If you are likely not to reaffend, they keep you in jail longer. If they know you're coming back, they kick you loose. It's all about control and the money.
The process is the punishment. Not everyone can afford a lawyer.
Police know this. They thrive on it.
@@jasonshults368 And they know no money comes out of their pocket if and when it does go to court. In some cities they get overtime while they railroad and lie in court.
One of the things I've heard is "You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride". Meaning you might get cleared in court but you still are going downtown for a few hours or overnight.
@@jasonshults368I was falsely arrested and imprisoned by police last year. I've tried to sue the cops involved twice, with each time my case getting dropped in lieu of more lucrative cases.
Well this guy is a lawyer, so he benefits from the process.
Police recently ripped a 17 year ild girl out of her car and slammed her to the ground for a headlight out. Police are out of control.
He got fired. I don't know if he lost his credentials though.
@@lifeinpodunkville543 Man, imagine us losing our jobs for assault and battery and then going home to our families with no criminal charges.
Police Policy enforcers for 1% pschopathic owners over all of us, minature psychopaths themselves...don't recommend ever calling 911 either. If you good, innocent person calling 911 you will be arrested as well as criminals you reported and all hauled down to the policy enforcement headquarters and arrested charged for lots of money $$ ruin your lives.
pretty sure you might have missed a few parts of that story and back story
Statistics are how we understand these things, not individual abuses
Love when cops say "ignorance of the law is no excuse in court" when literally that is what qualified immunity is. Hypocrisy.
I love this comment.
Nice catch.
@@gto1607 Cops always appreciate it (when they ask the same questions repeatedly) when you simply reply, "Please refer to my previous answer." :)
I used that exact phrase to a cop who wrote me a handicap parking space ticket. Tennessee has stickers that go in the lower left corner of vanity, specialty ("Friends of the Smokies", "Tennessee Arts Commission", etc) or ham radio plates that are permanent. They have been around for well over a decade and there re LEOs who have never seen one.
No, actually it is a standard of common law. The cops did not make it up. Illegality is whether you broke an established law, not whether you knew it at the time. A free citizen should no the law, it's not difficult. There are grey areas.
Had a national park law enforcement officer pull me over ask for my ID. When I handed him my passport he got mad and I had to tell them what a dumbass he was because he asked for an ID not a driver's license.
I told him I did exactly what he said. A US passport is the best form of ID. 🤔
You are correct. 100%. A four or 5 star passport is the only thing that one should hand a cop. The vast majority of Americans are U.S. Nationals, NOT U.S. Citizens as per Blacks Law Dictionary. Your ALL CAPS name on your drivers license signifies to the officer that you are a contracted US Citizen and that you voluntarily fall under their jurisdiction in Admiral Law. A drivers license is only necessary for one operating in Commerce.
@@MarkPernia-vv1le All persons born in the US are US CITIZENS. SO all "US NATIONALS" (not defined in Blacks Law dictionary) ARE US CITIZENS. Some small fraction odf CITIZENS are not NATIONALS.
@@MarkPernia-vv1le Do you mean Commerce Texas, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Missouri, Mississippi, Michigan, Iowa, Georgia, California or Alabama? Is it some or all of them? In any event, it's a bit weird you think a driver's license is only needed in those towns.
@@rodh1404 The comments that I made were applicable to travelers in all states.
@@MarkPernia-vv1le But not all States have a town called Commerce. I can't travel in Commerce if I'm not there.
Fight this in court is more BS. That’s a nice idea for the people that high have high paying government jobs but for the rest of us that have no money that is the biggest joke I’ve ever heard. The justice system in this country is a joke itself.
I've gone to court by myself and gotten traffic charges reduced. It cost me a few hours of my time and some court fees. Court is definitely the place to fight it. Even if it is just a rouse for the city to make some cash, it's way better and safer than to try and fight the police.
Kangaroo courts mostly now. Where I live, the judges, seeing themselves as part of the prosecution team, rubberstamp the cops in 99% of the cases. I'm a retired attorney but I no longer have no confidence in judges or courts any longer. So you won't get justice from a court or the cops -- we don't have a justice system; we have a punishment system.
No, it's actually not a joke, bc you don't have to hire a lawyer.
You live in the best country in the world with some of the best laws, because you can represent yourself in court, you just need to learn how to do it.
The only dumb thing is that it's not taught in public school.
My reply characterizing most courts as kangaroo courts was censored. Courts no longer function in many places and judges see themselves as part of the prosecution and not neutral arbiters of law and fact.
@@SpicyCactusI will agree that we live in the best country, but that’s just relative when compared to the rest of the world. The problem we currently face is that we have strayed from the constitution and the vision our founders had for us. There’s too much corruption that rarely faces any meaningful consequences, because we have allowed our government to grant itself immunity from the laws that govern the rest of us, and that is a travesty! Sadly it’s our fault for electing the same despots over and over, while letting those same politicians and the mocking bird media divide us instead of just being patriots that truly value our freedom and liberty! What’s even more problematic is the amount of people who actually condone infringements when it suits their agenda, such as those supporting gun control laws that do nothing to prevent crime and only puts the law abiding in legal jeopardy for simply possessing an item deemed illegal because criminals use them! Until people wake up and demand a return to the Constitutional Republic we’re supposed to be nothing will change, and we will continue to devolve into tyranny from a bloated bureaucracy that never has to answer for abusing the authority we granted them! So yeah, we may still be the best country in the world, but if we the people don’t take back control of it we will eventually loose it and become subjects instead of citizens!
Cops dragging someone out of the car like that should go to prison. Those are Nazi tactics
But they don't. They are promoted to a higher rank. We are losing our rights people.
Look at how fired up they get to when they get to do it, too.. bunch of goons, SMH
IOW, you practically need a law degree, in every state, to know what you can and cannot do.
Irrelevant. Cops will continue to do what they want, and the best result for the victim is a lawsuit payout from taxpayer funds.
No, you dont.
Litigation is only a fraction of what you learn in law school.
Go take the jurisdictionary course, it will teach you everything you need to get started. Its time we start suing these corrupt POS.
Eventually the citizens will put a stop to the police state just a matter of time.
If the 4th A guarantees my right to privacy AND state law says I dont have to identify unless I have committed a crime, cops absolutely should be required to state the reason for pulling me over or detaining me. Sure I COULD fight it out in court, however, that requires hiring an attorney and I don't have the funds needed to hire an attorney.
This is right and these POS count on it.
You are probably right but it's so much easier to just give your id. 99% of the time, they'll let you go immediately after. I don't know about you but I see no reason to make to start a dumb argument for something so stupid. Honestly, when I get stopped, and that has happened quite a bit because I'm not a slow driver, by the time the cop shows up next to my car, I already have all the documents and just hand it to them. So far, I've been let go with just a warning in about 60% of my stops. But, you go ahead and do it your way.
@old_dan and THAT is why cops think they have a right to get your ID and run it for warrants or other infractions. No crime = no ID = right to privacy. Cops swear an oath to uphold the Constitution. They also have to follow the law, so if you aren't committing a crime, they don't get ID simply because they want it. You would probably let cops search your house without a warrant (because you've got nothing to hide) since that would be easier than making them follow the Constitution, as well as the law.
I see the flashing blue lights. I pullover and stop the car. then I retrieve the car registration from the glove box, place the papers along with my drivers license in my left hand next to my right hand on the steering wheel. When he approaches I ask him why he stopped. so far every policeman explained why he stopped me. They are usually correct and I admit the infraction. He gives me a warning and we go on our way.
Works for me.
Tell me you're a white man without telling me you're a white man and that the cop is white. Now what happens when you're not, is what happened to the guy in the KIA and the three white cops.
Yup, you and I share the privilege of being older white guys. Works pretty well, until it doesn't.
just because you are a good subject doesn't mean that's how it's always going to be and because you are such a good subject... the chances of the children dealing with tyrants increases greatly.
@@biff3917 Exactly my point as well: "until it doesn't"
What happened to the 4th and 5th amendment? Invoke these clearly! such as "for the record officer, I invoke my 4th and 5th amendment! Are you clear on those amendments, or would you like me to clarify?"
If you wish to arrest me for invoking my 4th and 5th I will not resist!
This helps big time in a law suit!
Reasonable suspicion is based on evidence, not hunches, not lack of specific knowledge (the old "I don't know what you're doing").
I love this comment addressing officers who will say "how do I know you haven't done such and such", as though their ignorance on the matter is positive proof of the such and such. Their ignorance on the matter they address is not a fact supporting the "such and such".
@@davidskjeie945 Exactly. Evidence means something you know, not what you don't know.
@@davidskjeie945 "How do I know YOU aren't also guilt of the same thing, officer?"
The fact that sometimes it is better to just comply with a police officer's illegal request than to assert your constitutional rights says a lot about the state of law enforcement.
Law enforcement is running a game predicated upon lines drawn in the sand: Once they draw one, they never erase it, and their first line is always on your side of the fence.
I got stopped one time and I asked why he pulled me over, this is while handing him my license, registration and proof of insurance. He said "license plate light out." (Biggest lie for a stop.) I said "if I get out and check, it'll be working won't it?" He said yes, and I reached up and took back my paperwork and said "this stop is over", and drove away. I always check my equipment before driving just for this reason.
"Where's your ID?"
"I left it at your mom's house."
On one occasion, in a VA facility parking lot, a pair of plain clothes VA cops approached me with drawn weapons. They were demanding my ID. Before I did so, however, I requested their credentials. Once they satisfied me that they had the authority to demand my ID, I produced it. They ultimately decided that I was harmless - and the complaint had come from a delusional Karen.
They don't have the authority to demand anything from you unless you committed a crime that they can articulate on the spot. Learn your rights.
@@SpicyCactus A VA facility parking lot is 'federal' property (long live the Empire!), so the rules may be different from what you are used to in your state.
@@SpicyCactus - Your rights are the last thing on your mind when looking into a 9. If they have creds, they might be cops. OTOH, if they don't, you have a different sort of problem. Either way, your rights aren't the immediate issue. Rather, you are more concerned with drawing another breath.
@@SpicyCactus You obviously don't know your rights and the practical peril you put yourself and others following your advice. An officer need only have reasonable suspicion that you committed a crime to required ID. While you may be right that you committed no crime, you don't know what the officer knows and hence don't know whether he has reasonable suspicion based on what he knows notwithstanding how erroneous his suspicion may turn out to be. An officer's reasonable, but mistaken suspicion does not render that suspicion invalid for purposes of detention or demanding ID.
Zeigen Sie mir Ihre Papiere!
Show me your papers!
from WWII Germany.
Always ask if it’s a request or command. “Demand” falls under the category of a request.
I love it when he says, "Many cops get it wrong." Tell that to officers Matt Kruger and Sean Grayson and countless others who are sitting in jail for overreach and misconduct.
Cops should be required to tell you why they stopped you before they can demand anything from you..
I've been pulled over for minor traffic violations a couple of times. They've always been respectful, asked for my license and registration. I cooperated, and both times they've just given me warnings.
A passenger in a vehicle isn't required to carry an ID. And they can not compel you to to awnser questions about your identity without leagaly detaining you first
Requests and demands are distinct according to the law.
True, what is unfortunate is how law enforcement seem to like to present "requests" as obligations required to be responded to, i.e., lawful orders. An example would be a "request" of a car passenger for ID when the passenger is only present due to the officer's detention of the driver.
For the most part if I'm walking, "Officer is your body cam currently recording audio. This is not a consensual stop. This is not a stop and identify state. If I am not under arrest and you're not citing me I am leaving. If you want to talk to me get me an attorney and yes you're paying for it. I am citing my Fifth Amendment Right to remain silent."
Cite both your Fifth Amendment right to be silent and your Sixth Amendment right to counsel before police questioning.
In many states, the requirement is to provide name and address, but the law makes no requirement to provide date of birth.
Washington is one such state. The cops might arrest you for failure to ID even though you complied with the requirements set in law, but surprisingly, an officer's ignorance of the law is an excuse for him and it can and will be used against you.
In the event of a rights violation filing a claim against the officers bond is the most appropriate remedy. It will effectively remove the individual from holding any position requiring a bond to be posted in ANY public position. Civil court may eventually generate an award (after many years), but it will not remove the officer from their position. If a public servant cannot be bonded then they cannot hold a position within government legally. "Bonds for the Win" is a great site for understanding the process of filing a claim.
I don't drive any more and that's been one of the best decisions I ever made. No police stopping me, no road rage incidents, no car insurance, no maintenance issues, no buying gas. Plus I am forced to actually walk. Even when I am taking the bus I have to walk there. I get a lot of walking in. 🤔
4:27 into this video and I'm hearing the term "force to ID". Now I read over the VC in Ohio in the vehicle registration section and after reading about the 3 things that can be impounded, 1. License, 2. Registration, 3. Lic plate. Those are the only things belonging to the state, now, the next section talked about "fictitious " ID and in that paragraph it stated that a showing a fictitious ID to a officer is a misdemeanor! the next part said "all government ID's are fictitious! I know this from a traffic stop for having personal plates on my truck, went to court and after knowing this, the judge couldn't get us out of there fast enough, case dismissed no court fees!
Why can't or won't the cops just be honest and tell you or give a reason???? I hate all this secretiveness.
'Cause a lot of the time they don't have a reason, just a hunch. They're hoping you'll say or do something that'll give them probably cause.
In some states, you only have to display your papers, not hand them over.
Wish I knew this when I was younger. I got pulled over several times for no reason because I looked young. I also was parked along a road in a neighborhood using my CB radio and a Sheriff asked me what I was doing and to move along because someone didn't like me parked there
this is all great info, however *ANY* interaction with *ANY* police force where your information is being recorded, *WILL* go on to your permanent police record. they can call all of this up whenever you name comes up again. and yes, they establish a baseline of behavior in that record. how do i know? a former idaho county sheriff once showed me my record.. i was shocked to see what all it contained back then.. and this was before the internet was a thing in everyday life
Interesting, I did NOT know that!
I've just begun watching your videos, but, have to say, this is top-quality stuff!
"I will give it to your supervisor who i am officially requesting be called to the scene"
So it depends on the state and if a police officer suspects you have a criminal charge or commited criminal suspicious activity, they can ask you for an ID depending if you were walking down the road or not you were just minding your own business They still can ask for your ID or your identification. On the other hand, you can ask what the criminal charge is they but they don’t have to give you an answer. Next ask if they’re detaining you or if you’re free to go if they say they’re detaining you which it sounds like they are then you provide form of identification. I would do what she says, because they tack on other things like refusing to cooperate, resisting arrest, If assault charges happen, they can tack that on, Obstructing police business etc. The way to handle it is to to fight it in court if you do not think the reasoning or the evidence was fair or impartial to you. Don’t do it on the street. I bet you it didn’t end well.😂
RAS is not a vague standard. SCOTUS has already ruled on several things that are NOT reasonable including being in a hugh crime area, being nervous, not being nervous, engaging in constitutionalky protected activities, etc. If you are detained cops have to tell you why. Terry which established the RAS standard specifically says antone detained has the right to dispel the officer's suspicuon if they choose to speak. You can't dispel a suspicion if you dont know what it is. Cops may have to not tell you why ylubare being arrested but they DO have to tell you why you are detained. Why? Because they dont get to detain you and figure out a self serving reason later when they get to court. Never hire a kawyer that doesn't know this, including this guy. This guy also doesnt know that a cop cant performa Terry frisk unless he can articulate that you are "armed and potentially dangerous". They dont get a free pat down just because they stop you. If you hire this guy, prepare to get screwed in court.
He actually does know the Terry Frisk law, he's done a complete video on it.
You've got this all a$$ backwards. During an investigation, e.g. a detention, officers need not tell you what exactly they are investigating, much less what facts they have supporting their reasonable suspicion. The same applies to what facts might support their Terry frisk, assuming the officer doesn't pursue that as a matter of course as opposed to where the suspicion of "armed and dangerous" exits. Heck they can even lie to you about what facts underlie their supposed suspicion. An officer's obligation to disclose his/her reasons for detention, arrest etc. does not arise until they do an arrest report or other report on the detention or other interaction when crimes of officer perjury or falsification of official records may apply. At the point of arrest, they must announce, if not orally then in their reports, what you are arrested for.
@@davidskjeie945 YOU have it a$$ backwards. You are conflating detainment with arrest. You might actually want to go read Terry v. Ohio. There is no court in America where "You're being detained and you we're not telling you why" would ever fly. You can't beat the ride, but that alone would make you beat the rap.This is not Nazi Germany where "Papers please" is the standard Secret Police operating procedure. While an officer does not need to tell you immediately why he is arresting you because the courts have stated he can do so once you are in the booking process, no cop gets to detain you and tell you he doesn't have to tell YOU why, only the courts. I'd love to see that deposition where a cop said he had the right to detain someone, not tell them why, let them go, them say he only has to tell the court or put it in his report. Go back to the donut shop bootlicker.
The first challenge is to determine if the officer is 'requesting' or 'demanding' your ID. When there's doubt just ask the officer if he/she is demanding your ID under color of law. If they say no then the request is consensual and can (and should) be declined. If the officer refuses to specify then ask for a supervisor.
"The place to fight a cop for illegally holding you is in court" ok, what about a cop illegally attacking you? What about a cop illegally shooting you? Just take the bullets?
For the two or three times a year there is an unjustified shooting out of the 61 million police stops, just consider it bad luck and that your widow widow will be taken care of and the cop will go to prison. Also, it’s a good idea to follow orders when the person giving those orders is armed.
I agree. This country needs to become MORE dangerous for police. (Look at the stats, law enforcement is not even close to the most dangerous job in the U.S.)
If a cop uses force as a retaliation for “contempt of cop” a citizen should be able to strike back as if they are defending themselves against anybody else on the street.
what an excellent video; no gimmicks, ads nor the general poop.... just straight the point. thank you.
I was actually riding my bike to work. At the time it was still dark early in the morning. I had my headphones on listening to music. An officer followed me, and I didn't realize that he wanted to speak with me. When I turned a street and he turned as well, I stopped and removed my headphones. The officer asked me a few questions which I answered and then he said he said this. He didn't realize that I had headphones on until I spoke with him. He told me to get to work safely and thanked me for stopping. He never asked for an ID and he told me why he was asking the questions.
Walking this planet for nearly 60 years and never an encounter with police except for traffic violation. I usually get “do you know why i pulled you over?”
Amerikka--the biggest open-air prison this side of Gaza.
Everyone should repeat-listen to this…
I will be typing it up for myself !!
You should mention rules for Conceal Carry. Specifically, must ID vs must ID if asked, etc. Do these apply EVERYWHERE or only if in a vehicle on a roadway?
In Illinois I was pulled over when I accidentally went the wrong way down a one way street , I explained to the officer that just moved into the area not month ago and that I was just getting used to the streets, actually I turned down the street because to get to my garage it was quicker. when the officer saw my license he told me that he could arrest me for carrying a false ID since I hadn't yet gone to the DMV to update my information I didn't argue and he left me with a warning , the question is was he being honest.
Not a lawyer but in Illinois, just like every other state there's a time limit for getting that driver’s license updated. You can get a ticket for not updating your license in time. False ID? If the cop is a real jerk and really wants to push it, maybe? That seems a bit extreme though. Here’s what’s published on *The Office of the Illinois Secretary of State* website:
*"Drivers moving to Illinois may use their valid driver's license from their home state or country for 90 days. You may obtain an Illinois driver's license or identification card only if you are becoming a legal resident of Illinois. If you have a valid driver's license from another state or country, you may use it to drive in Illinois throughout your stay (if you do not plan to become a permanent resident of this state)."*
If you were truly there for less than 30 days it seems like the state gives you 90 days to transfer it over.
Cops are nearly never being honest, and they rarely know the law. They will happily threaten you for random reasons, though.
Hello. Illinois resident here. I am not a fan of the police, but a lot of the time they are fairly polite. You got a warning. I would call that a win! Whether he was correct or whether your rights were violated or whatever, you came out of that traffic stop without any serious consequences. Just like when my local police officer pulled me over because I forgot to renew my license plates, and let me off with a warning, a low value municipal violation, and the ability to cure the problem within seven days without having a moving violation on my record. I thanked him. He wondered why and I pointed out I was traveling out of state next week, and that having an unregistered vehicle out of state could’ve been a lot more serious. So really he did me a favor.
I agree most officers I've dealt with act like normal human beings others act less than this one could have given me a ticket or he could have informed how long the law gives me to update my license but it seemed to me he wanted to get me to say or do something to give him an excuse, note he never asked how long ago I moved but quickly pulled out the I can arrest you card. Being that this was prebodycam and I live in an area were a judge in open court say he could see that I was telling the truth but in his courtroom he'll always backup the police. you drive away before things get worse.
Must provide ID if you are pulled over on a moving traffic stop or being arrested. And DUI stops in some states
You try to illegally ID me, your widow will be identifying you next!
Yeah 2nd amendment those mfkrs.
Sure, tough guy. 😂😂😂
I went to help my landlady who had been detained driving. They were letting her go and we went to get her and her car. The police were waiting and when we got there they asked for my id and I was in the passenger side of the car. I didn't really like having to give it to them I came to help!
There is no law requiring a citizen to own any type of identification. A driver's license is not required unless operating a vehicle on a public road or highway. You are not required to show a drivers license if you are not being detained for a traffic stop.
In Alabama: Title 15-5-30 Says if you've committed a crime, your required to give Name, Address & explanation of your actions. It doesn't require you Date of birth.
Every one in the US should at the minimal be able to and willing to present an ID of themselves to law enforcement.
I have no problem identifying myself to an officer. Glad to interact with my local law enforcment and show them I'm a responsible law abiding citizen who behaves like any decent human should. No point in playing these hide the ID games if you got nothing to hide.
I would add that "Do you have an ID on you?" is NOT a request or demand to produce ID. Police are trained to ask this question because then they can argue in court that they didn't request or demand ID, they just asked a question, and you then voluntarily provided ID.
My sister called the cops (from another state) to do a "Well Being Check" on me. I said to her, "Bet the first thing they asked was, "Does she have any warrants?" BINGO! That's exactly what they asked! Did they care if I had a heart attack, a stroke, a fall with broken bones? Nope! Warrants, baby! I haven't even had a parking ticket in about 50 years! This is nuts!!!
1:18 Let that sink in. How many times have we heard police say you need some type of government ID on you at ALL times.
At 6 minutes, those cops are psychos. That's one reason people don't want to ID. We all know the cops can be vindictive. The last thing you want is to give a psycho your name and address. And this is why most people are hesitant to give out ID and address. If the cop acts nicely and professionally, giving ID is not a big deal. But if the cops starts the encounter with attitude, that immediately instills valid fear of the cop.
You never want to give your ID to them because it gets logged into their report which gets fed into their database. All the databases are networked and linked. Many departments are now taking that information and analyzing it with A.I. to to engage in "predictive" policing. Totally innocent people could become the prime suspect of a crime, possibly even be convicted for no other reason than the cops had their name. Never give them your ID voluntarily, ever. No matter how nice they seem, because the reality is, they are not.
Remember, if strapped for money, a stiffer charge than most road offenses is less than hiring an attorney, and submitting to extortion is cheaper than establishing constitutional rights that are negated by roadside searches, for a bad taillight or whatever reason for a civil traffic infraction of local ordinance. Can you put your license to the window and tell them to take a picture of it?
Who has the time and money to fight this
Lots of boot licking in this
Do what must be done Patriots
Moral of the story, if you see a police officer, run away before they see you. If they see you, walk away casually. If they ask you to kiss their boots, report them to the courts. However, you could simply say you’re an illegal immigrant and they’ll leave you alone.
We have reasonable suspicion of vote by mail with no identification
Bullshit.
Under what conditions can an officer enter a vehicle without permission in order to arrest someone?
What punishment to police face for lying to civilians? Hmmmm?
In Texas there is non. They can legally lie to you in many many states
Cops can lie to you anytime 🤷♂️
Punishment? They are extensively trained to lie. Why would they be punished?
@meateater4life551yep agreed 100% percent.💯👍 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.
You just have to love the 3 choices you have , show your papers , get charged and arrested , pay someone to get you out of paying someone else ... Freedom definitely comes at a price ...
Why waste ever one's time, police officers are there to keep us safe?
I am 74, my grandfather survived ground combat in Europe during WW1, my father joined the Army the day after they attacked Pearl Harbor and then retired from the USAF in 1967. I was in the USAF from 1970 to 1976. We served to give the USA freedom, but why waste an officer's time. Police officers are there to keep us safe (protect and serve).
My niece's husband is a Delaware State Trooper and I have gone out for a ride with him while he was on duty. What they do is very important. While out with him, we went to check on a hit and run, a domestic dispute and a motorcycle crash with deaths, along with the normal traffic stops.
I had my USAF basic training at Lackland AFB San Antonio Texas in 1970. Then I had my technical school was at Chanute Air Force Base Illinois. I managed to have a car there and got use to the 70 mph speed limit. When I came back to Delaware, I got several speeding tickets while traveling the 50 miles to night school at the University of Delaware. Would not have considered giving the officer a hard time!
Guess we live in a fascist police state
Supreme court Ruled Years ago that when asked for ID all you have to do is give them your full legal Name.. Nothing else.. Like this lawyer stated If driving, Drivers License IS Required. The cops standard search technique is , I smell Drugs or alcohol.{ I don't drink or do drugs}..
Got the case reference for this bit of knowledge?
'Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada,' 542 U.S. 177, 124 S. Ct. 2451, 159 L. Ed. 2d 292 (2004).
Irrelevant.
@tomharshman1560 thanks for the citation, but I'm not sure how far you'll get on a district court ruling.
@@EluviumMC It's a US Supreme Court decision. The citation shows that.
At the end of the video you talk about being "searched" for officer safety. THEY CANNOT DO A SEARCH! A pat down is called a Terry Stop and frisk, to make sure you're not carrying any weapons, BUT, they cannot go into your pockets, wallet, etc and 'Search" for anything.
Wouldn't weapons be in your pockets? How does that work
In my state you have to identify yourself. The law does not state that they need a reason as far as I know. It also doesn't say anything about showing an ID, since if you are on foot then you are not required to have an ID.
I'm not a lawyer, but I do know that we don't have to "show our papers" in this country. There is no requirement to even carry an ID. The ONLY exception that I can think of is when you are pulled over for a perceived driving violation.
When they don't want to tell me why they pulled me over, NOW its not a friendly stop. I am not going to make it fun for them. They want to see my ID and papers? Okay, I am going to crack the window just enough and throw it out the window. Let him pick it up. I bet he will run to his car and leave. Does the law say we have to hand it to them? No. In my state, we can simply display it through the window, not turn it over to them.
WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU ASK A COP " AM I BEING DETAINED ? " AND HE JUST DOEDNT ANSWER AND KEEPS ON ASKING QUESTIONS ? OR SAYS HOLD IT RIGHT THERE AND WALKS AWAY AND SITS IN HIS PATROL CARFOR A LONG TIME ? HOW LONG CAN HE KEEP YOU THERE WITHOUT ANY WORD ABOUT ANYTHING ? CAN YOU JUST WALK , OR DRIVE ., AWAY ? LOTS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE GREY AREAS OF COP BEHAVIOR
You could dial 911 and have the dispatcher validate the officers credentials. Request that a shift commander be sent at once, and by now you should have YOUR lapel cam on and film the entire incident. I personally would not leave unless you have been actually released from the scene. In addition cameras on your vehicle (all Four sides) should be recording the event as well. This is unfortunately where we are at in America right now. Officers work for the For profit state sub-corporation in which you reside. They are revenue generators for the Federal Corporation, not peace officers of the past.
Dude, check your caps lock before typing.
Tip # 4 contradicts itself.
You said if you're "not being arrested or detained" you "do" have to show ID.
Then you also said if someone is "only being detained" you "don't" have to show ID
Which one is correct?
You do have to show ID when being detained? Or you don't have to show ID when being detained?
Thx good Vid as always.
How does being legally obligated to identify yourself interact with the right to remain silent? I assume something like that would have come up.
Just be law-abiding and polite and do what they ask and nobody gets hurt. It really is that simple.
Here in Montana they have 46-5-401 mca. It sounds like it is repugnant to the Constitution. What say you?
Once I had finished my fake ID (I was a forger in college, this one was my masterpiece) I realized how much trouble that would cause if it was discovered by a cop. Never got to use it, just shredded it. I realized fake IDs are far more dangerous than they benefit for most of us, and this was in the '90s (scrutiny, penalties, violent police reactions have only gotten worse since then).
What about Byron White's concurrence to Terry v.Ohio where he stated you have the right to refuse to answer questions during an investigative detention?
That literally still is the law to this day, it is up to you to call their bluff about how long they wish to hold you in a silent detention.
You can however just place your ID, registration and proof of insurance up aginst the window!!!
Other videos state that you only have to show the cops your i.d. through the window and that you do NOT have to hand them over. Theres too many varibles in these laws, its confusing.
If you are driving a vehicle, or parked on private property it makes sense that they can ask for your license and registration and why you are there,
but to ask a pedestrian for ID makes no sense since having ID is not required by law.
I do have a question. Let's say you are not carrying physical id, and you are arrested. You say you want a lawyer, and you invoke your right to remain silent and then not say anything till your lawyer gets there. Can a person still be charged for invoking their constitutional rights? Please use your home state of Texas as an example. Thank you.
No, if you have broken No law then police have no authority over you. Then you KNOW there is no reasonable suspicion.
Where do I find my state’s laws regarding traffic stops or other requirements I have as a citizen?
I've been pulled over several times when I KNEW I was guilty of speeding. But instead of hassling the Cop, since I knew I was wrong, I admitted it and kinda made a joke about it. When the Cop laughs, I know things are going to be okay. I got a ticket once after that, but the Cop apologized for it. It was in a construction zone, so he HAD to ticket me. Instead of speeding though, it was for a faulty taillight or something. Play it cool and things will work out better. 👽✌️
There is ZERO reason for a police officer to NOT tell you why you're being pulled over unless they are a BAD COP.
Thanks for making me look it up. Looks like Illinois is one of the freedom states on the issue of being forced to show your ID.
Might wanna stay out of Chicago just the same Tofu . That doesn't seem to really matter there
Answer this! If you win in court do you get reiburst court &lawyer fees. If no how can a person get them paid
Yes usually you do get lawyers fees if you win
I don't carry ID when walking.
It is well known.....the cops can legally lie to us, but you better not lie to them.
They don't always find out especially when your giving your brothers name and you know all the info right down to the driver id#
5:05 That's just it. Cops can only detain people if they've committed a crime (or just say they THOUGHT the person did 😒), but they're not required to tell you WHAT crime you've supposedly committed. That way, (1) you can't refuse to provide ID or else risk getting arrested for "obstruction", so you have to just bend over and let them violate you and your rights "just in case", and (2) you can't provide any exculpatory evidence to dispel the suspicion and have to let the cop arrest you and go to court. 🤦 The law provides corrupt cops loopholes around laws that are supposed to protect people FROM cops. 😠
6:32 That's a specious BS line that corrupt cops love to use, "comply/obey and get your remedy in court". That's basically saying that you're required to allow corrupt cops to violate you and incur all of the collateral harms and damages they inflict (none of which will be compensated -when- if the BS charges are dismissed), or else the cop will harm you even MORE. It's like if a SAer tells you to just relax and let them violate you or they'll have to off you to do their crime. 😒 - We've seen countless videos of cops inflicting all kinds of harm on people that won't just go away in court. The solution isn't to let corrupt cops hurt people then pretend the victims should be grateful if the charges are dropped, it's to PREVENT HARM IN THE FIRST PLACE!
6:44 The insurance industry bribed legislators to make laws to enrich them. What if you're rich enough to cover someone's costs without needing insurance? Why should you LEGALLY HAVE to get insurance anyway? 🙄
6:52 Um, if someone doesn't talk to the cops or doesn't roll their window all the way down, the cops will get mad and destroy them. We've seen it many times. The cops will just outright make up fake laws as a defense.
7:28 What does it matter what the law says? Cops don't even KNOW the law, let alone follow it. We've seen cops assault passengers in cars for not providing ID for no reason many times as well.
7:40 If cops are such cowards that they think their own safety is more important than the safety of the people they're being paid to protect, then they shouldn't be cops. 😠
Two cops were shot to death recently for over the top policing in Syracuse. They took the high road and lost. Big mistake
The window breaker was nearly pressed ham, by that car driving by, that would have been a shame.
If I'm fishing to I have to show my fishing license if asked by the DNR? If so, how is this different than pulling me over to look at my driver's license?
The difference is cops NEED a reason to pull you over in most states. They can't legally just pull you over because they want to check if you're licensed to be driving a motor vehicle.
What if they UNLAWFULLY detain you like for example 'acting weird' in a high crime area?
The idea that this is a free country any more is a joke. It is not, it’s time every body does a reality check on that
Cooperation is so simple. Why argue?
How did we lose all of our rights? Was it a little bit at a time?
If there is a violation of law an ID is required by law, if one refuses then there will be an immediate arrest for failure to Identify !If one forgets their driver license then the information they can get from you can be verified to meet the law requirements. Done it hundreds of times, if a permit or license of a different nature is checked then an ID is required for certification of that license or permit is issued to the person in question. If you want to go home and just receive a citation or warning I suggest you talk to the police. There has been many a kidnaped person/driver saved because the passenger didn't want to produce an ID to police thus the driver is allowed to exit the vehicle for a further investigation. There is such a thing as investigation stop like a drive -by shooting where just the color or make of vehicle is all the info the police have. There will be investigation stops of vehicles meeting that description in the immediate area ASAP. Produce an ID and save yourself all the trouble and for what ? One thing that the general public can do is demand the officers ID and I have shown that a time or two with no problem.
Every state requires reasonable articulable suspicion
Reasonable suspicion, very subjective very vague, very dangerous position depending on the officer’s attitude.