MUCH APPRECIATED INFO: Was raised Seventh-Day Adventist but upon adulthood did not accept EG White as a prophet or her teachings. I attended Sunday keeping churches for the past 50+ years, but the Lord has led me back to keeping what He calls His holy day of Sabbath. Tried a local SDA church for one year, but could not take the constant EG White doctrines being set front-and-center, and stopped going. NOW, I think I have found the church that matches my honest view of what the Bible teaches. I have been watching videos from the SE Atlanta SDB church for some weeks now and feel I have finally found a denomination I can align myself with. Still, I am 120 miles from the nearest SDB church in the Portland, Oregon area. The lack of church congregations is a difficulty, but quite understandable as Sabbath keeping is branded as legalism by those who do not see obedience as scripturally required by God. Thank you for this synopsis of the SDB denomination. It matches up well with what other information I have found to date.
@@mattmc9812 please explain. SDB is (with the execptioin of keeping God's Sabbath day) no different than any other flavor of Christianity. If by legalism you are speaking of "you have to be a member" or adhere to the guidelines of that specific denominational doctrine (which typically has nothing to do with the mandate of Jesus and His teachings) then I concur. I attended an SDB for about a year then left. SDB I have not ever attended and briefly knew a couple of people who were SDA but we had no conversations about the faith. Maybe you could shed some light on SDA for me.
@@ateachableheart2649 what I meant was it's a option for Adventist wanting to leave the Adventist and find a Sabbath keeping group but without the stockpile legalism that sda puts on its members shoulders
My grandmother was a SDB, in South Jersey. When she moved to North Carolina, she went to the local Baptist church, but she thought they were wrong about the Sabbath until the day she died.
The Sabbath is still Saturday - but that was Old Test law - The New Test never requires us to worship the Sabbath. We Celebrate Sunday as that is the day that Christ arose - which is the highlight of the Gospel
@soundpreacher God said, "Remember the Sabbath." We don't know why. We just do it. We experience it. We seek a blessing, just like Namaan washing in the dirty, ugly Jordan river. We don't refuse to follow directions and jump through emotional hoops and irrational conclusions to get out of following "thus saith the Lord." We evaluate afterward. Namaan, is it such a hard thing to rest and worship on Saturday? So many losers, believe so. So many Christians have no relationship with Jesus and absolutely no trust in Him. They can't step out in faith and just do it. The Bible does not say anything about making excuses to not follow directions. Joshua's UA-cam channel is really good. Shows all the irrational nonsense some churches believe.
I grew up in a Seventh Day Baptist church, and know many of the people quoted in the video. While I am now a member of a Mennonite church, I feel that my experience in the SDB church was a positive one for my journey as a Christian. The open dialogue on many "secondary" issues helped me to have a broader understanding of the variety of views that Christians can hold. As a small denomination, this is also helpful in that it lowers barriers to involvement for new members, and keeps the essentials essential. I would also note that while it is easy to take quotes from pastors to be representative of the denomination as a whole, there is a variety of thought and practice among pastors as well, theolologically, politically, etc. Thanks for highlighting this group @readytoharvest !
I follow the teachings of Jesus, believe in his death (for the atonement of sins), resurrection, and future return. I believe in the trinitarian God,, etc. Why do you ask? @@jacksprattt6396
Adding onto this, I am a currently practicing and attending SDB Member of Frontier Carbon Valley in Dacono, CO. It's very true that even from Pastor to Pastor there are differing views on the issues the Conference does not take a stance on, especially when it comes to issues that cross into politics. I know Pastor John Pethtel and Pastor Nick Kersten have clashing political views on some aspects of society and how the church relates to that, but are strong partners regardless.
Christ warned *MANY false prophets would come in his name* and the Adventists have been made victims of one and their many false prophecies and hateful teachings. There's lots of money in false prophecies. Mt. 7:22 "Many will say to me in that day, *Lord, Lord, have we not PROPHESIED in thy name* ?" Verse 23: 23 *And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.* This so explains all the supposed "Spirit of Prophecy" of Adventism, Armstrongism and the cults. They just refuse to believe, it could happen to them.
@@ri3m4nn NOPE they are not similar at all. SDAs hold an additional authority which is the writings of EGW, Investigative Judgement, Satan as the scapegoat who will ultimately bear sins, Sabbath as the Seal of God, Sabbath as the ultimate test because of the coming Sunday Laws. SBD does not believe those, please don’t deceive people saying they are similar. STOP IT
Read Isa. 58:13 forbids, *"doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:"* *Who believes for one second that the Adventists have ever kept the Sabbath after that manner?* Yet, they try to pawn it off on you has them being so holy! They love to quote Isa.53:13 as if they were so holy! What hypocrisy! What sinfulness!
I could belong to a church that focuses on essential matters and leaves the rest up to individual believers. Do we not all have the Holy Spirit to "guide us into all truth?"
Visited the Seventh Day Baptist Church in Newport, RI. The Historical Society Building is built around the old church, which is being protected inside. Also, the first Jewish Synagogue in New England, probably in North America, is situated next to the Baptish Church. At the time, RI was probably the only Commonwealth that welcomed all believers in God, the Creator. This example is "Religious Freedom" at its best. God Bless Roger Williams. This explanation of this Church is in God's Grace. In Jesus' Name. Amen.
Read Isa. 58:13 forbids, *"doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:"* *Who believes for one second that the Adventists or Baptists have ever kept the Sabbath after that manner?* Yet, they try to pawn it off on you has them being so holy! They love to quote Isa.53:13 as if they were so holy! What hypocrisy! What sinfulness!
Since this church believes faith(in Christ) produces works(Christian walk), I am waiting for all the anti-SDB to begin claiming legalism and cult accusations like they due to SDAs who believe the EXACT same thing about salvation.
Salvation by grace alone leading to obedience out of love for Christ is historic Christian teaching. SDAs and SDBs are just being consistent with this teaching by keeping the one commandment out of the ten that most Christians have forgotten about. As long as the Sabbath is kept out of love for Jesus and not to be saved, it is wonderful!
Adventist is a cult, but not because they practice the Sabbath. SDB is a pretty straight forward denomination that happens to practice the Sabbath; it's not a matter of salvation but obedience to conscious as in Roman's 14. SDA is a cult because they worship the Sabbath; I understand that's not their official stance, but their actions show this to be the case. They believe in Ellen White, a known plagerist and false prophet; their official stance is that they don't regard her over the bible, but how they interpret the bible is based on her writings. If you believe in her, you might as well follow Joseph Smith or Mohammed too. They came out of the millerite movement, that died after 1842 prophecy failed to be true, Miller even left it. They reinterpreted the event as Jesus moving to the most holy place; which they didn't witness, and it assumes that only then did Jesus start intercepting on our behalf. They believe that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast.
@ziberteck I appreciate your post. It clearly indicates why I remain an Adventist. Your beliefs are irrational and inconsistent. Where do you get the audacity to claim I'm worshipping the Sabbath? Where do you come off claiming you know my relationship with Ellen White's publications? Question: Have you read any Ellen White? I'm just curious.
@@Ggdivhjkjl Oh I didn't know the connection. Interesting how doctrines are passed from one group to other. I'm not sabbatarian at all btw and I'm totally opposed to that theology, but it's interesting to know how things had happened
@@Ggdivhjkjl Rachel Preston was a Seventh Day Baptist who convinced Ellen White and some other early Adventists to keep the Sabbath. In other words, Seventh-day Adventists learned about the Sabbath from their historically elder brothers and sisters in Christ, the Seventh Day Baptists.
Adventistism is a cult, not because they practice the Sabbath. SDB is a pretty straight forward denomination that happens to practice the Sabbath; it's not a matter of salvation but obedience to conscious as in Roman's 14. SDA is a cult because they worship the Sabbath; I understand that's not their official stance, but their actions show this to be the case. They believe in Ellen White, a known plagerist and false prophet; their official stance is that they don't regard her over the bible, but how they interpret the bible is based on her writings. If you believe in her, you might as well follow Joseph Smith or Mohammed too. They came out of the millerite movement, that died after 1842 prophecy failed to be true, Miller even left it. They reinterpreted the event as Jesus moving to the most holy place; which they didn't witness, and it assumes that only then did Jesus start intercepting on our behalf. They believe that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast.
As an ex Armstrongite, I considered Seventh Day Baptists but they are pretty scarce in my area of the country. Sounds like I would agree with them on a lot of things, but disagree on some non-essentials.
@@coolandhip_7596 EX Armstrongite. I'm a Particular Baptist and have been for a long time. For a while after leaving Armstrongism, I was still sensitive about the Sabbath issue. That is why I considered Seventh Day Baptists.
I visited one once but it was too far away. They were a nice group. TFS Nice to get more info about them. Guess they don't read the KJV where it says women are not to usurp authotity over a man. 1 Tim 2:12.
Putting women in pulpits, that's the beginning of the end. Next will come the gay "pastors" in pulpits. It's a tried and true method that's led many denominations astray. So sad. I pray the denomination wakes up and looks at the history and proof of where women pastors lead.
I attend the Church in Shiloh NJ. We’ve been worshipping there on the Sabbath since 1737. Currently we’re helping plant a church in eastern KY. They would hold to the 1689 everything but chapter 22 paragraph 7.
This is based on a mistaken understanding. The Traskites were not SDBs--none of them affirmed regenerate church membership or baptism by immersion. This is not a question of destroyed records. There was a supposed link between the Traskites between two men with the last name Coppinger, but those two men were later found to have no connection.
Fairly inoffensive group... I'm glad that unlike most Sabbatarians, they don't demand everyone worship on Saturday or go to hell. Christ is our Sabbath, and it no longer matters what day you set aside to go to worship. It might be easy (for some "legalists") to accuse them of being "lukewarm" and wishy-washy, but I think rather it is a dedication to personal liberty under God, and making sure not to say something is essential when it's not, which I can appreciate. Each congregation probably has more specific beliefs that draw like-minded Christians, and that's fine. Thanks for the video.
@@btownbat Right, he's talking about individuals. We're talking about a denomination here. Do you think whole denominations are going to be judged before the Great White Throne of Judgement? "Oh, you're ABC denomination? You made it! Oh, you're XYZ denomination? Sorry, your church has the wrong doctrines." You have an infantile, elementary view of scripture. Father will judge hearts, not which church you walk into on Sundays (Saturday's in this case), or what their "What We Believe" webpage states. THis church is apparently giving a lot of leeway for individual congregations to make decisions on non-essential issues (if you think someone having the wrong idea about young earth/old earth creationism is going to keep anyone out of heaven, have a good trip, friend. 👍)
They believe a random woman in the 1800s was a literal prophet … no ill will toward the individual believers, but they shouldn’t even call themselves Protestants.
I would disagree with the SDB assumption other churches like SDA keep the Sabbath in a legalistic way. This is false propaganda and a massive failure on the part of SDAs to understand or teach their own understanding of Scripture. I don't believe all Adventist are going to Heaven. Adventist church membership is not some golden ticket to paradise. As SDA myself by choice, since I can walk out easily at any moment, I completely agree with SDB understanding of the Sabbath and how it should be kept as presented in this video.
SDAs have historically had disputes about what counts as work. That's what the SDBs disagree with. Everyone has a sense of what work is and so shouldn't judge others for where they draw the line within reason.
@@Ggdivhjkjl Many SDAs like myself are deeply committed to justification by grace alone through faith alone. But you are correct that we have had disputes about this. Unfortunately, there are legalists and sinless perfectionists among us. The truth is that Christ alone saves - not our good works, our sanctified life, or what denomination we belong to.
Adventist is a cult, but not because they practice the Sabbath. SDB is a pretty straight forward denomination that happens to practice the Sabbath; it's not a matter of salvation but obedience to conscious as in Roman's 14. SDA is a cult because they worship the Sabbath; I understand that's not their official stance, but their actions show this to be the case. They believe in Ellen White, a known plagerist and false prophet; their official stance is that they don't regard her over the bible, but how they interpret the bible is based on her writings. If you believe in her, you might as well follow Joseph Smith or Mohammed too. They came out of the millerite movement, that died after 1842 prophecy failed to be true, Miller even left it. They reinterpreted the event as Jesus moving to the most holy place; which they didn't witness, and it assumes that only then did Jesus start intercepting on our behalf. They believe that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast.
@@ziberteck What is the difference between ignoring the Sabbath and worshipping God your own way and King Saul not listening to Samuel and following God his own way?
@@americanswanThose aren't equivalent circumstances. If you were talking about Pre-Resurrection Christ you might have a point. But We know that the Sabbath was a sign of things to come that were fulfilled in Christ. Our rest is in Him. Furthermore, the Apostles, whom have the Holy Spirit have made it clear that eating, feasting, Sabbath days are a thing of personal conviction now. (Romans 14) If you feel led to practice the Sabbath, then by all means do so, but thinking that it makes you more or less right with God only has the appearance of wisdom and is a way to make oneself feel more holy/righteous than they are.
Ohhhh how the human beings love to boast in what they DO. We keep the Sabbath so we WILL have more impression with God. The ONLY ONE God is impressed with is the FINISHED work of the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation
I learned of the existence of the Seventh Day Baptists when I took Baptist history at Midwestern Baptist Seminary. Interesting overview, and thanks for sharing.
It doesn't matter to me if someone wants to worship our Lord our Lord I'm the seventh day or the first day or any day. Paul said pray without ceasing that means to me that we need to worship at all times and pray at all times. We should not be getting hung up on what day of the week we should worship.
Christians are to worship God every day. But the 4th Commandment has to do with which day we *rest.* And it's clear that we are to rest on the 7th day.
@@sethmoking4th commandment was given to Israel. To keep sabbath day holy was from friday to saturdat, you could not kindle a fire or any in your household working either on that day. Colossians 2 is clear, sabbath is NOT for us born again christians today. In Acts first christians rested on the 1st day of the week, broke bread and remembered Christ's resurrection. First day of the week is sunday, not saturday. Sunday is not christian sabbath. Sabbath is friday to saturday but we christians can rest on any day of the week, not saturday only or exlcusively
Why do you observe the other nine commandments and ignore only one? ( the fourth? ) The forth begins with the word REMEMBER as God felt that that it was important. During creation it was also set aside.
I gotta say, I LOVE the epistemic humility and emphasis on essentials that this group has. We don't know everything about God's will, and that's okay. We don't need to get caught up on the nitty gritty when God hasn't told us how He wants us to handle the nitty gritty.
There's are many other sabbatarian groups... but many are either independent or very small. It's very likely they are a sabbatarian group.. what's the Mahe of the sign and see if you can find anything about them in the internet.
@@Keonny77 Ok, on their site, they mention "worship service/culto de adoracion" on both Fridays and Sunday." Nothing mentioning what the Saturday get together might be. They are a Iglesia Pentecostal Luz en las Tinieblas church.
@@jeffkardosjr.3825 they are not sabbatatian. That's probably just a get together service like wednesday prayer meeting or they are allowing a sabbatarian group to use their building. My current church in Atlanta used a baptist church for years to we got pur own building... and we have allowed Sunday churches to use our building if necessary.
Read Isa. 58:13 forbids, *"doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:"* *Who believes for one second that the Adventists have ever kept the Sabbath after that manner?* Yet, they try to pawn it off on you has them being so holy! They love to quote Isa.53:13 as if they were so holy! What hypocrisy! What sinfulness!
@@astutik8909 Just ask an Adventists, they will tell you endlessly how holy they are and how they keep the 10 commandments. Who believes that nonsense and what kind of person has to go around telling the world how holy they are? Christ despises such self-deception and lying to the public.
@@chucksmith4624 BTW, the Isaiah prophecy runs from ch 52 to 66. 58 v 13 is a clear message as to how a Sabbath should be kept. Ch 66 clearly shows, that the sabbath is kept eternally. Thats why its written in stone in the 10 commandments.
@@astutik8909 None persecute Christianity as much as the Adventist and their like. Every Adventist is taught to Slander and testify falsely against Christianity and to tell the world how holy they are, knowing they are lying to themselves and the public.
I'd be surprised if they would come out to bluntly declare "We are Calvinist". From what I've seen most will have the clue words embedded throughout their heavily worded articles or catechism. Just have to sort through their words and works.
@@RonJohn63 Appears you misinterpreted my comment as snark and directed at you in some way. Rest assured nothing was aimed at you. I was just making a comment based on experience reading so many church doctrines or "articles of faith/grace",; and noticing the camouflage techniques to avoid alerting the reader/investigator to the true nature of the group and/or leaders. This has really become an issue with "stealth calvinism", which is alarming. My apologies if you thought my comment was dissing you. Absolutely not. It was just a quick generic heads-up on a problem that's been creeping into churches and the methodology is disturbing.
@@Baltic_Hammer6162 I know you were not being snarky. _I_ was being snarky at a serious answer that said "go read their website", when the purpose of ReadyToHarvest is to give us an overview of their beliefs.
MHO using many different versions of scripture helps to clarify meanings in verses. My experience has shown me, for example: Take one verse, any verse. Two different versions of scripture. One half of that verse makes more snese in the context of the verses surroubnding it, while the other half does not. Look at the seond bible and it's opposite. Seeing this so many times over the years.
I agree with a lot of this church. I don't think God cares about how we interpret every little detail, or that we need a commandent for every little thing to choose the right. For me though, that includes the sabbath. How the week is set up is just how our culture decided to measure the continuity of time. As long as we can agree what 7th day is to be the sabbath, it shouldn't matter whether it be Saturday, Sunday, or Wednesday.
Suggest to Google the languages of the earth and just SEE how many know that SATURDAY IS CALLED EITHER SEVEN or SABBATH in THEIR RESPECTIVE LANGUAGES. GOD BEGAN time when He created in the first 6 days then SANCTIFIED and SET APART the 7th day. WHO ARE WE to usurp what God put in place and take such a cavalier attitude toward His Work?
hmmm...funny for me. I had no idea this was a video I had already commented on but here I am again. So I wanted to add to my first response 2 months ago. GOD SANCTIFIED and MADE HOLY< the 7 th Day we call Saturday ( technically beginning at sundown Friday). CONSIDER THIS!!!! GOD SANCTIFIED IT, declared it and that's that! No one can touch it or change it, no man and certianly not the devil although he does keep trying to poison mankind into believing otherwise. The SABBATH CANNOT BE TOUCHED!!!! EVER!!!! It is an anchor point, a waymark, a sign (read in Ezekiel). Put God FIRST in ALL things, including His Ten Commandments most epseically that 4th commandment. While the "Law" (more correctly Torah) was given to Israel, GO BACK to Genesis BEFORE ISRAEL ever existed. ALL the peoples of the earth KNEW what day Sabbath was and still is. Just Google the languages of the earth and see. If GOD declared this day HOLY, WHY does anyone not keep it?????
love your stuff! would love to see a video on which denominations are two basic things: 1: preterist or semi preterist 2: agree with scientific facts. / aren’t science deniers or young earth etc…
@@flamingofan5411 Let me clarify they actually call it Resurrection Sunday. There are no easter egg hunts or decorations at least at the SDB church I used to attend. The focus was on Jesus not the easter bunny.
@@ateachableheart2649 i understand. That is what most all churches do. I was hoping since the meet on the actual Biblical Sabbath, that they would also meet on the Biblical time of our Savior’s death, burial, and resurrection. These take place during Passover. Easter is a completely different holiday on a completely different date. Easter( of which churchianity attaches Resurrection Sunday) is a pagan holiday celebrated way before Christs birth. It literally has nothing to do with Jesus. According to the Bible He died during Passover. So any celebration of His resurrection should be done during that holiday.
@@flamingofan5411 My expereince with that SDB church is that aside from worship and gatheirng on the Sabbath, they wer really no different than other Sunday worship mainstream churches. No one church is perfect for sure. Sadly, it seems to be difficult to find a good fit.
The world is full of many ways to try to appear to be the original authentic Christian Church. There is only one way to truly be authentic as the Church Christ and the Apostles founded, and that is to belong to that one and same Church which Christ himself established along with the Apostles. Some try being Jewish, some try by speaking in tongues, using Jewish names, and language, some think it's carrying a bible, reading the bible, keeping the Jewish Holy Days, calling days of the year pagan or finding righteousness in the law, and Jewish food distinctions, fake visions dreams and prophecies, all of which is in vain. All of this is nothing more than to appear authentic when they are not. There are millions of self-ordained "ministers", not to mention the countless "Evangelists", "Apostles" "Deacons" and so called, "Brothers and Sisters in Christ" all claiming to be God's elect. They do everything but the right thing to appear to be something they are not. Every day it's more inventions rather than repentance. Satan is having a heyday.
The church that Christ founded is the one that kept his commandments. No praying with beads, praying to statues, praying to the dead and for the dead, no belief in communion cannibalism, no belief in purgatory, no confession to sinful men who are forbidden to marry etc
@@marcodesalud7034 The Epistle by the Apostle Paul called, ,"Romans" is written to the CHURCH OF ROME . Read the first 10 verses of chapter one. *Read how the Holy Spirit left an indelibly engraved* eternal word of God through the Apostles and their love and affection for the Church of Rome. ROMANS 1 the Apostle Paul wrote to the Church of Rome under inspiration of Holy Spirit. Romans 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for. .... *the obedience of the faith, among ALL NATIONS (CATHOLIC) for his name* 1 The Church of Rome's faith was " *spoken of throughout the whole world* ". Rom.1:8 2. God is Paul's witness *Paul prayed without ceasing* for the Church of Rome. Also, "Making mention of the Church of Rome always in his prayers" . 1 verse 9 3. Paul extended ' *Grace and Peace from the Father and Lord Jesus Christ to the Church of Rome* . (vs 7) 4. *Paul thanked God for the Church of Rome* and calls them the beloved OF God!! (vs. 8) 5. Paul prophesied, *"The God of Peace will crush Satan under the Church of Rome's feet"* Rom.16:20 1John 2:18-19, how that *"They"* WENT OUT and left the Church because *"They"* were not of US (the church) .1John 2 goes on to say, *"for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us:* That's what Protestantism did, *"They"* went out from us. The Apostle Paul and the others makes it clear that they speak with the AUTHORITY OF CHRIST, Matt. 10:1,40 - Jesus declares to His apostles, "he who receives YOU receives ME (CHRIST), and he who rejects you, rejects Me and the One who sent Me Matt. 16:19; 18:18 - the apostles are given Christ's authority to make visible decisions on earth that will be ratified in heaven. 1 John 4: 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. The next time you drive by a cemetery remember how all those people had their chance to change during their lifetime. But now, for them that time is past and God which knows their hearts they are judged. God help the Adventists and their like for their gross dishonesty and false testimony!!! Lastly, Had Christ, HIMSELF had the proper name *“ROCK”* everyone in the Bible would have called Christ “PETER” Or “CEPHAS” because the ONLY way to pronounce the *proper name* "Rock" in the bible is PETER OR CEPHAS!! The Protestants are caught in their desire to deceive themselves and others!
@@geordiewishart1683 It's too bad the Adventist's don't know the scriptures regarding confession. It is written in the law: Lev 5 And if a soul sin, and hear the voice of swearing, and is a witness, whether he hath seen or known of it; if he do not utter it, then he shall bear his iniquity. 2 Or if a soul touch any unclean thing, whether it be a carcase of an unclean beast, or a carcase of unclean cattle, or the carcase of unclean creeping things, and if it be hidden from him; he also shall be unclean, and guilty. 3 Or if he touch the uncleanness of man, whatsoever uncleanness it be that a man shall be defiled withal, and it be hid from him; when he knoweth of it, then he shall be guilty. 4 Or if a soul swear, pronouncing with his lips to do evil, or to do good, whatsoever it be that a man shall pronounce with an oath, and it be hid from him; when he knoweth of it, then he shall be guilty in one of these. 5 *And it shall be, when he shall be guilty in ONE of these things, that he shall confess that he hath sinned in that thing:* *Read Lev 5 the entire chapter!! It is only when the SIN IS CONFESSED to the Priest and the offering is made that the SIN IS FORGIVEN* The priests of the Church share in Christ's priesthood to offer prayers and offerings for the people, just as they share in Christ's authority to forgive sins. That is the truth of the matter. The unfortunate truth is, that Protestants don't confess their sins even to God, much less those to whom God commanded them to confess. They refuse to examine their conscience on daily basis and use their hatred of Catholicism to hide confessing sins at all.
Sounds like something particular to a certain congregation or group of congregations. It seems pretty obvious they only make statements about the bare essentials, and not piddly stuff like this where different people and churches will disagree, and are inessential.
Sounds like legalism nonsense. If a chrisrian does not wanna drink tea or coffee that is one thing, but a generic rule for all is legalism. Certain things are sins like lying, fornication etc. but dietary instructions and laws were for Israel's benefit, not for us by command
Nothing new here, unfortunately, just another group of people who don't know how to "rightly divide the word of truth," 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV, and do not understand the importance of what Paul has conveyed to us today in the body of Christ in his epistles. What is sorely needed is verse-by-verse serious bible study through every one of the 66 books. We know that is pretty much not going on in the so-called "Christian" churches today. NOT everything in the bible is addressed specifically TO us today in the body of Christ, but all scripture is FOR anyone who sincerely wants to believe the word of God in context. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV says "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." The body of Christ today is not and has never been "spiritual" Israel in any sense. We are a different entity and are dealt with by God in a different way than He dealt with Israel in the past and will deal with Israel again after the body of Christ is removed from the earth. To even call yourself a baptist of any kind makes no sense at all. (And I was an independent baptist for 20 years after leaving roman catholicism at age 30). Water baptism is in truth a Jewish ceremonial/ritual carryover, and washing in water was something Old Testament Israel was very familiar with in the law and HAD to abide by or else (as was tithing). Water ritual was nothing new to them. Those Jews who obeyed John the Baptist became "believing" Israel. The scribes, scholars, Pharisees, etc., who refused to let John dunk them back then did not accept Christ as their Messiah. Today, the body of Christ has NO need of Jewish ritual/ceremony at all, according to Paul's epistles. Today, no water is needed, and we do not "tithe" but are to be charitable, period. Our gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV: "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:" All of Paul's revelations were given to him directly by the risen Christ Himself and not from any of the 12 apostles.
2 Timothy 2.15 has nothing to do with dispensationalism--or really anything to do with interpreting the Bible, for that matter. In the context of the letter, Paul is telling Timothy to proclaim the gospel accurately in the face of heretics who were proclaiming the false message that the resurrection had already happened. Paul calls the gospel message itself "the word of truth" in Ephesians 1.13 and Colossians 1.5, and he was already talking about the gospel teachings that he had passed down orally to Timothy in the preceding verses, so it seems unlikely that he is referring to the Bible in 2 Timothy 2.15. He does get around to talking about it eventually in the third chapter, but he calls it the "scriptures" (grammata) instead of the "word" (logon).
This is just a bit of technical advice, since you went to so much time and trouble to put all of this here. A comment of this size needs to be broken up into at least two paragraphs, maybe three, otherwise a lot of people (including me) will just skip over it because it's too hard to read and makes our eyeballs hurt.
Every Protestant denomination from coast to coast or from one end of the Earth to the other, is not the Church created by Jesus. See Matt 16:18. He created One Church, His Church is the "pillar and foundation of truth". See 1 Tim 3:15. Also, his Church is the Final Authority (not the Bible Alone, which is an unbiblical heresy). See Matt 18:15-18. In 107AD, St Ignatius, a Bishop in his Church, wrote a letter calling it "Catholic" meaning Universal. The name stuck. His Church has been united in its beliefs from the beginning. When people like Wycliffe, Luther, and Calvin came along, The Church was fractured by their misleading and False teachings, which they had No Authority to teach. Now you have tens of thousands of Protestant (as in Protest), "churches" all believing different doctrines, yet reading the same Bible, which the Catholic Church created and gave to the world. "Bible Alone" is false. "Faith Alone" is false. "Once Saved Always Saved" is false. And there are plenty of other false teachings also.
As a former Catholic, I strongly disagree. The Magisterium of the Roman church brought many heresies into the church, one being the paying of indulgences for people to escape the duration of “purgatory”. Where did this come from?!!! God Bless Martin Luther for standing for the Faith and against the false doctrines of Rome! I attended a SDB church for four years and the people are very God fearing people dedicated to the study of scripture. For reasons I do not care to discuss, I am now happily a member of the Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod which I will remain until I die or until the Lord returns. God Blesses all true believers. He knows EVERY denomination has false doctrine. The Catholic Church just has way too much false doctrine for me to belong.
Catholics always want to paint Luther in a bad light when they themselves were already in schism with the Orthodox churches 500 years before the Reformation.
@@Joel-d7e3t Poorly educated Catholics become Protestant. Well educated Protestants become Catholic. Perhaps you’ve heard of John Henry Newman, an Anglican priest in the late 1800’s, who set out to prove the Catholic Church “wrong”. He became a Catholic Priest. He’s famous for saying: “To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant”.
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MUCH APPRECIATED INFO: Was raised Seventh-Day Adventist but upon adulthood did not accept EG White as a prophet or her teachings. I attended Sunday keeping churches for the past 50+ years, but the Lord has led me back to keeping what He calls His holy day of Sabbath. Tried a local SDA church for one year, but could not take the constant EG White doctrines being set front-and-center, and stopped going. NOW, I think I have found the church that matches my honest view of what the Bible teaches. I have been watching videos from the SE Atlanta SDB church for some weeks now and feel I have finally found a denomination I can align myself with. Still, I am 120 miles from the nearest SDB church in the Portland, Oregon area. The lack of church congregations is a difficulty, but quite understandable as Sabbath keeping is branded as legalism by those who do not see obedience as scripturally required by God. Thank you for this synopsis of the SDB denomination. It matches up well with what other information I have found to date.
Sabbath keeping baptist. I wish you guys were much bigger then the seventh day Adventist
They could be.
@@ateachableheart2649sda wanting to leave the legalism
@@mattmc9812 please explain. SDB is (with the execptioin of keeping God's Sabbath day) no different than any other flavor of Christianity. If by legalism you are speaking of "you have to be a member" or adhere to the guidelines of that specific denominational doctrine (which typically has nothing to do with the mandate of Jesus and His teachings) then I concur. I attended an SDB for about a year then left. SDB I have not ever attended and briefly knew a couple of people who were SDA but we had no conversations about the faith. Maybe you could shed some light on SDA for me.
@@ateachableheart2649 what I meant was it's a option for Adventist wanting to leave the Adventist and find a Sabbath keeping group but without the stockpile legalism that sda puts on its members shoulders
@@mattmc9812 ok, got it! Thank you for explaining!
My grandmother was a SDB, in South Jersey. When she moved to North Carolina, she went to the local Baptist church, but she thought they were wrong about the Sabbath until the day she died.
The Sabbath is still Saturday - but that was Old Test law - The New Test never requires us to worship the Sabbath. We Celebrate Sunday as that is the day that Christ arose - which is the highlight of the Gospel
@@bobteachout
Yup, Easter every week.
Plus, Paul told the churches to take up a collection on the first day of the week.
@@bobteachout
What is the difference between Saul ignoring Samaul's directions and modern churches ignoring the Sabbath?
@@americanswan Saul was told to obey Samuel. The Sabbath was never given to the church.
@soundpreacher
God said, "Remember the Sabbath." We don't know why. We just do it. We experience it. We seek a blessing, just like Namaan washing in the dirty, ugly Jordan river. We don't refuse to follow directions and jump through emotional hoops and irrational conclusions to get out of following "thus saith the Lord." We evaluate afterward. Namaan, is it such a hard thing to rest and worship on Saturday? So many losers, believe so.
So many Christians have no relationship with Jesus and absolutely no trust in Him. They can't step out in faith and just do it. The Bible does not say anything about making excuses to not follow directions.
Joshua's UA-cam channel is really good. Shows all the irrational nonsense some churches believe.
If I recall correctly, one of the men who signed off on the Articles of Confederation was a Seventh Day Baptist.
I grew up in a Seventh Day Baptist church, and know many of the people quoted in the video. While I am now a member of a Mennonite church, I feel that my experience in the SDB church was a positive one for my journey as a Christian. The open dialogue on many "secondary" issues helped me to have a broader understanding of the variety of views that Christians can hold. As a small denomination, this is also helpful in that it lowers barriers to involvement for new members, and keeps the essentials essential. I would also note that while it is easy to take quotes from pastors to be representative of the denomination as a whole, there is a variety of thought and practice among pastors as well, theolologically, politically, etc. Thanks for highlighting this group @readytoharvest !
What makes you a Christian?
I follow the teachings of Jesus, believe in his death (for the atonement of sins), resurrection, and future return. I believe in the trinitarian God,, etc. Why do you ask? @@jacksprattt6396
Adding onto this, I am a currently practicing and attending SDB Member of Frontier Carbon Valley in Dacono, CO.
It's very true that even from Pastor to Pastor there are differing views on the issues the Conference does not take a stance on, especially when it comes to issues that cross into politics. I know Pastor John Pethtel and Pastor Nick Kersten have clashing political views on some aspects of society and how the church relates to that, but are strong partners regardless.
@@jacksprattt6396 Christ makes us Christians (aka "little Christs"). Dogma about inerrancy vs. infallibility, or women as spiritual leaders do not.
With SDB keeping God's Sabbath vs. Mennonite. Do the Mennonites keep God's Sabbath???
I am a Seventh Day Adventist. It is a pleasure to hear about the SDB church and their beliefs.
Christ warned *MANY false prophets would come in his name* and the Adventists have been made victims of one and their many false prophecies and hateful teachings.
There's lots of money in false prophecies. Mt. 7:22 "Many will say to me in that day, *Lord, Lord, have we not PROPHESIED in thy name* ?" Verse 23: 23 *And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.* This so explains all the supposed "Spirit of Prophecy" of Adventism, Armstrongism and the cults. They just refuse to believe, it could happen to them.
@@chucksmith4624Yes, The Orthodox Church is The True Church of Christ. all other churches are schismatic sects
Why would you belong to a church created in the 1800’s by Ellen G White instead of the Church created by Jesus?
@@chucksmith4624Crazy much?
Yes. SDA here as well.
I like this group! Wish we had one in our area.
SDAs are very similar
Where are you @Lorrainecats? We love starting new churches.
@@ri3m4nn NOPE they are not similar at all. SDAs hold an additional authority which is the writings of EGW, Investigative Judgement, Satan as the scapegoat who will ultimately bear sins, Sabbath as the Seal of God, Sabbath as the ultimate test because of the coming Sunday Laws.
SBD does not believe those, please don’t deceive people saying they are similar. STOP IT
We have a Seventh Day Baptist Church near me! I have visited there several times.
And how is/was your experience (so far)?
Thank you. That was very helpful. I would certainly join a SDB church if there were one in my area.
Very informative. I'm SDA... we are the largest sabbatarian group.
SDB didn't grow as large... even though they are older.
We are brainwashed by us culture to crave and be addicted to coffee tea and soda I admit I’m a junk food junkie
Heard of the Church of God Seventh Day?
Other than 7th day, what else do SDAs have in common withSDBs?
@@bob5269 I don’t know I would never join such a religious dietary restrictions
Read Isa. 58:13 forbids, *"doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:"*
*Who believes for one second that the Adventists have ever kept the Sabbath after that manner?* Yet, they try to pawn it off on you has them being so holy! They love to quote Isa.53:13 as if they were so holy! What hypocrisy! What sinfulness!
Cool to see another Sabbath keeping church. 😊
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@@ourospost Have a blessed day. 😊
Legalism is much stronger in sda. Church but sdb just baptist who worship on the Saturday
I'm an Adventist, so tell me what legalism means to you and how Adventist exhibit your definition of legalism.
@@americanswan youtube.com/@answeringadventism?si=hwObHCRWxRLpeYV6
youtube.com/@answeringadventism?si=hwObHCRWxRLpeYV6
I could belong to a church that focuses on essential matters and leaves the rest up to individual believers. Do we not all have the Holy Spirit to "guide us into all truth?"
Visited the Seventh Day Baptist Church in Newport, RI. The Historical Society Building is built around the old church, which is being protected inside. Also, the first Jewish Synagogue in New England, probably in North America, is situated next to the Baptish Church. At the time, RI was probably the only Commonwealth that welcomed all believers in God, the Creator. This example is "Religious Freedom" at its best. God Bless Roger Williams. This explanation of this Church is in God's Grace. In Jesus' Name. Amen.
Read Isa. 58:13 forbids, *"doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:"*
*Who believes for one second that the Adventists or Baptists have ever kept the Sabbath after that manner?* Yet, they try to pawn it off on you has them being so holy! They love to quote Isa.53:13 as if they were so holy! What hypocrisy! What sinfulness!
Thank you.@@chucksmith4624
@@benjaminrush4443 You are most welcome.
@@chucksmith4624Ahem
We visited the Newport RI church too many years ago. It was quite an experience imagining what it was like in the 1600s.
I wish SDB would have existed from where I am! Would like to attend!
Awesome, never heard of 7th day baptists. Thanks for the information.
Thank you once again for the matter of fact way you present the material on the different denominations.
Since this church believes faith(in Christ) produces works(Christian walk), I am waiting for all the anti-SDB to begin claiming legalism and cult accusations like they due to SDAs who believe the EXACT same thing about salvation.
Salvation by grace alone leading to obedience out of love for Christ is historic Christian teaching. SDAs and SDBs are just being consistent with this teaching by keeping the one commandment out of the ten that most Christians have forgotten about. As long as the Sabbath is kept out of love for Jesus and not to be saved, it is wonderful!
Adventist is a cult, but not because they practice the Sabbath. SDB is a pretty straight forward denomination that happens to practice the Sabbath; it's not a matter of salvation but obedience to conscious as in Roman's 14. SDA is a cult because they worship the Sabbath; I understand that's not their official stance, but their actions show this to be the case. They believe in Ellen White, a known plagerist and false prophet; their official stance is that they don't regard her over the bible, but how they interpret the bible is based on her writings. If you believe in her, you might as well follow Joseph Smith or Mohammed too. They came out of the millerite movement, that died after 1842 prophecy failed to be true, Miller even left it. They reinterpreted the event as Jesus moving to the most holy place; which they didn't witness, and it assumes that only then did Jesus start intercepting on our behalf. They believe that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast.
@ziberteck I appreciate your post. It clearly indicates why I remain an Adventist. Your beliefs are irrational and inconsistent. Where do you get the audacity to claim I'm worshipping the Sabbath? Where do you come off claiming you know my relationship with Ellen White's publications? Question: Have you read any Ellen White? I'm just curious.
@@ziberteck you may want to review the 9th commandment and try again
@@walterhelm8186 bingo.
I want to get the e-mail address of 7th day Baptist Church,so that I may get more information to think about.
Thank you God bless you...
contact@seventhdaybaptist.org
Where are you located?
Seventh day baptists sound like seventh day adventists without Ellen white... 😅
E. G. White learnt the sabbatarian doctrine from a tract a Seventh Day Baptist named Rachel gave to an Adventist.
@@Ggdivhjkjl Oh I didn't know the connection. Interesting how doctrines are passed from one group to other.
I'm not sabbatarian at all btw and I'm totally opposed to that theology, but it's interesting to know how things had happened
@@Ggdivhjkjl Rachel Preston was a Seventh Day Baptist who convinced Ellen White and some other early Adventists to keep the Sabbath. In other words, Seventh-day Adventists learned about the Sabbath from their historically elder brothers and sisters in Christ, the Seventh Day Baptists.
Adventistism is a cult, not because they practice the Sabbath. SDB is a pretty straight forward denomination that happens to practice the Sabbath; it's not a matter of salvation but obedience to conscious as in Roman's 14. SDA is a cult because they worship the Sabbath; I understand that's not their official stance, but their actions show this to be the case. They believe in Ellen White, a known plagerist and false prophet; their official stance is that they don't regard her over the bible, but how they interpret the bible is based on her writings. If you believe in her, you might as well follow Joseph Smith or Mohammed too. They came out of the millerite movement, that died after 1842 prophecy failed to be true, Miller even left it. They reinterpreted the event as Jesus moving to the most holy place; which they didn't witness, and it assumes that only then did Jesus start intercepting on our behalf. They believe that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast.
@@ziberteck yes, you're right, adventists have much more false doctrines than just the Saturday Shabbat. You've explained it really well.
As an ex Armstrongite, I considered Seventh Day Baptists but they are pretty scarce in my area of the country. Sounds like I would agree with them on a lot of things, but disagree on some non-essentials.
If you're an armstrongite it seems like you might disagree in some essentials
@@coolandhip_7596 EX Armstrongite. I'm a Particular Baptist and have been for a long time. For a while after leaving Armstrongism, I was still sensitive about the Sabbath issue. That is why I considered Seventh Day Baptists.
Born and raised Church of God Seventh Day here
@@alex21mu HWA belonged to COG7 until he was booted out for divisiveness. I think they were anti-Trinitarian too. I am a Particular Baptist now.
@Robert_Sparkman_03 sorry, I missed a crucial part there
I visited one once but it was too far away. They were a nice group. TFS Nice to get more info about them. Guess they don't read the KJV where it says women are not to usurp authotity over a man. 1 Tim 2:12.
Another fascinating and informative video.
Putting women in pulpits, that's the beginning of the end. Next will come the gay "pastors" in pulpits. It's a tried and true method that's led many denominations astray. So sad. I pray the denomination wakes up and looks at the history and proof of where women pastors lead.
I attend the Church in Shiloh NJ. We’ve been worshipping there on the Sabbath since 1737. Currently we’re helping plant a church in eastern KY. They would hold to the 1689 everything but chapter 22 paragraph 7.
1617 was historically the year the Mill Yard Seventh Day Baptists met in England yet a fire in the 1650's destroyed any records from before then.
This is based on a mistaken understanding. The Traskites were not SDBs--none of them affirmed regenerate church membership or baptism by immersion. This is not a question of destroyed records. There was a supposed link between the Traskites between two men with the last name Coppinger, but those two men were later found to have no connection.
Fairly inoffensive group... I'm glad that unlike most Sabbatarians, they don't demand everyone worship on Saturday or go to hell. Christ is our Sabbath, and it no longer matters what day you set aside to go to worship. It might be easy (for some "legalists") to accuse them of being "lukewarm" and wishy-washy, but I think rather it is a dedication to personal liberty under God, and making sure not to say something is essential when it's not, which I can appreciate. Each congregation probably has more specific beliefs that draw like-minded Christians, and that's fine. Thanks for the video.
1 John 2:4 he who says he knows him and does not keep his commandments as a liar in the truth is not in him.
@@btownbat Right, he's talking about individuals. We're talking about a denomination here. Do you think whole denominations are going to be judged before the Great White Throne of Judgement? "Oh, you're ABC denomination? You made it! Oh, you're XYZ denomination? Sorry, your church has the wrong doctrines." You have an infantile, elementary view of scripture. Father will judge hearts, not which church you walk into on Sundays (Saturday's in this case), or what their "What We Believe" webpage states. THis church is apparently giving a lot of leeway for individual congregations to make decisions on non-essential issues (if you think someone having the wrong idea about young earth/old earth creationism is going to keep anyone out of heaven, have a good trip, friend. 👍)
They believe a random woman in the 1800s was a literal prophet … no ill will toward the individual believers, but they shouldn’t even call themselves Protestants.
@fighterofthenightman1057 that's the SDA cult. Not SDB.
@@ziberteck Ah, shoot - my bad!!! Apologies.
Which calender was in use during creation week?
During the Assyrian and Babylonian captivity?
During Jesus Christ's time?
Creation week see Enoch.
Assyrian and Babylonian captivity the Babylonain solar/lunar calendar system.
During Jesus time, BOTH.
Nice to see other people recognizing that belief in the dispensational pre-trip rapture is not very common outside of the USA.
Are there any SDB's in the Kansas City area?
I looked on the conference website and there were none near Kansas City, Kansas
Excellent brother Shalom
I would disagree with the SDB assumption other churches like SDA keep the Sabbath in a legalistic way.
This is false propaganda and a massive failure on the part of SDAs to understand or teach their own understanding of Scripture. I don't believe all Adventist are going to Heaven. Adventist church membership is not some golden ticket to paradise.
As SDA myself by choice, since I can walk out easily at any moment, I completely agree with SDB understanding of the Sabbath and how it should be kept as presented in this video.
SDAs have historically had disputes about what counts as work. That's what the SDBs disagree with. Everyone has a sense of what work is and so shouldn't judge others for where they draw the line within reason.
@@Ggdivhjkjl Many SDAs like myself are deeply committed to justification by grace alone through faith alone. But you are correct that we have had disputes about this. Unfortunately, there are legalists and sinless perfectionists among us. The truth is that Christ alone saves - not our good works, our sanctified life, or what denomination we belong to.
Adventist is a cult, but not because they practice the Sabbath. SDB is a pretty straight forward denomination that happens to practice the Sabbath; it's not a matter of salvation but obedience to conscious as in Roman's 14. SDA is a cult because they worship the Sabbath; I understand that's not their official stance, but their actions show this to be the case. They believe in Ellen White, a known plagerist and false prophet; their official stance is that they don't regard her over the bible, but how they interpret the bible is based on her writings. If you believe in her, you might as well follow Joseph Smith or Mohammed too. They came out of the millerite movement, that died after 1842 prophecy failed to be true, Miller even left it. They reinterpreted the event as Jesus moving to the most holy place; which they didn't witness, and it assumes that only then did Jesus start intercepting on our behalf. They believe that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast.
@@ziberteck
What is the difference between ignoring the Sabbath and worshipping God your own way and King Saul not listening to Samuel and following God his own way?
@@americanswanThose aren't equivalent circumstances. If you were talking about Pre-Resurrection Christ you might have a point. But We know that the Sabbath was a sign of things to come that were fulfilled in Christ. Our rest is in Him. Furthermore, the Apostles, whom have the Holy Spirit have made it clear that eating, feasting, Sabbath days are a thing of personal conviction now. (Romans 14) If you feel led to practice the Sabbath, then by all means do so, but thinking that it makes you more or less right with God only has the appearance of wisdom and is a way to make oneself feel more holy/righteous than they are.
Joshua, have you spoken at all with Redeemed Zoomer?
He's a layman studying the denominations too.
Gross
The true Sabbath information was given to the SDA church by Rachel Oaks, a member of the SDB.
Ohhhh how the human beings love to boast in what they DO.
We keep the Sabbath so we WILL have more impression with God.
The ONLY ONE God is impressed with is the FINISHED work of the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation
Thank you for this video! I am a Seventh Day Baptist at the Phoenix SDB church!❤❤
"I will spew you out of my mouth, for you are neither cold nor hot"
Sounds like any baptists plus sabbath, dietary laws from some etc
We actually do not have any dietary laws 😃👍
16:50 outstanding sir.
I learned of the existence of the Seventh Day Baptists when I took Baptist history at Midwestern Baptist Seminary.
Interesting overview, and thanks for sharing.
we need a seventh day Baptist church in Antigua
When I took Baptist history in college this group of Baptists were never even mentioned. I later on understood why.🤔😨
Why do you think they weren't mentioned? Thanks and blessings to you.
@@marriage4life893 Southern Baptist School, Freewill Baptist and Sabbath Baptist were a subject the professor didn't want to deal with.
@@frankmckinley1254
Because they dont want any mention of the Sabbath.
Why?
@@robinbond7878 They did not want to breach the subject of the seventh day Sabbath.
For the algorithm
Gotta keep those engagement metrics high!
Thise churches are not built on the rock, Peter!
It doesn't matter to me if someone wants to worship our Lord our Lord I'm the seventh day or the first day or any day. Paul said pray without ceasing that means to me that we need to worship at all times and pray at all times. We should not be getting hung up on what day of the week we should worship.
Christians are to worship God every day. But the 4th Commandment has to do with which day we *rest.* And it's clear that we are to rest on the 7th day.
@@sethmokingWell my goodness, then the vast majority of people are doing it wrong, because the seventh day of the week is Saturday!
@@sunrhyze That's correct.
@@sethmoking4th commandment was given to Israel. To keep sabbath day holy was from friday to saturdat, you could not kindle a fire or any in your household working either on that day.
Colossians 2 is clear, sabbath is NOT for us born again christians today. In Acts first christians rested on the 1st day of the week, broke bread and remembered Christ's resurrection. First day of the week is sunday, not saturday. Sunday is not christian sabbath. Sabbath is friday to saturday but we christians can rest on any day of the week, not saturday only or exlcusively
Why do you observe the other nine commandments and ignore only one? ( the fourth? ) The forth begins with the word REMEMBER as God felt that that it was important. During creation it was also set aside.
I gotta say, I LOVE the epistemic humility and emphasis on essentials that this group has. We don't know everything about God's will, and that's okay. We don't need to get caught up on the nitty gritty when God hasn't told us how He wants us to handle the nitty gritty.
The defference between SDA and SDB is the view on Salvation and Diet.
in the Church.
Is there a seventh day Baptist Church in Spokane. If there is what's their address in Spokane WA.
Closest is Yakima
There's a Pentecostal church near me that I wonder if they're 7th day.
They seem to get together Fridays and Saturdays.
Maybe you should visit them on a Saturday morning some time, and see if there's a sermon.
There's are many other sabbatarian groups... but many are either independent or very small. It's very likely they are a sabbatarian group.. what's the Mahe of the sign and see if you can find anything about them in the internet.
@@Keonny77
Ok, on their site, they mention "worship service/culto de adoracion" on both Fridays and Sunday."
Nothing mentioning what the Saturday get together might be.
They are a Iglesia Pentecostal Luz en las Tinieblas church.
@@jeffkardosjr.3825 they are not sabbatatian. That's probably just a get together service like wednesday prayer meeting or they are allowing a sabbatarian group to use their building.
My current church in Atlanta used a baptist church for years to we got pur own building... and we have allowed Sunday churches to use our building if necessary.
It would be worth looking into. They just might be 7th day. I was raised in a 7th day Apostolic Pentecostal Church.
Very informative! Thank you.
Read Isa. 58:13 forbids, *"doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:"*
*Who believes for one second that the Adventists have ever kept the Sabbath after that manner?* Yet, they try to pawn it off on you has them being so holy! They love to quote Isa.53:13 as if they were so holy! What hypocrisy! What sinfulness!
The same applies to everyone and every commandment doesnt it??
Who among us, has committed no sin??
@@astutik8909 Just ask an Adventists, they will tell you endlessly how holy they are and how they keep the 10 commandments. Who believes that nonsense and what kind of person has to go around telling the world how holy they are? Christ despises such self-deception and lying to the public.
@@chucksmith4624 there are people, from all denominations, including catholics, that behave in such a way.
@@chucksmith4624
BTW, the Isaiah prophecy runs from ch 52 to 66.
58 v 13 is a clear message as to how a Sabbath should be kept.
Ch 66 clearly shows, that the sabbath is kept eternally.
Thats why its written in stone in the 10 commandments.
@@astutik8909 None persecute Christianity as much as the Adventist and their like. Every Adventist is taught to Slander and testify falsely against Christianity and to tell the world how holy they are, knowing they are lying to themselves and the public.
Interesting
You're back?
One thing I'm surprised you didn't mention is whether or not they're Calvinist.
I'd be surprised if they would come out to bluntly declare "We are Calvinist". From what I've seen most will have the clue words embedded throughout their heavily worded articles or catechism. Just have to sort through their words and works.
@@Baltic_Hammer6162 I didn't spend 22 minutes watching a video just to be told "do your own research on whether they believe a key Baptist doctrine".
I would say that most members and leadership are not Calvinist, but I did know a couple of people in the SDB church who held reformed views.
@@RonJohn63 Appears you misinterpreted my comment as snark and directed at you in some way. Rest assured nothing was aimed at you. I was just making a comment based on experience reading so many church doctrines or "articles of faith/grace",; and noticing the camouflage techniques to avoid alerting the reader/investigator to the true nature of the group and/or leaders. This has really become an issue with "stealth calvinism", which is alarming.
My apologies if you thought my comment was dissing you. Absolutely not. It was just a quick generic heads-up on a problem that's been creeping into churches and the methodology is disturbing.
@@Baltic_Hammer6162 I know you were not being snarky. _I_ was being snarky at a serious answer that said "go read their website", when the purpose of ReadyToHarvest is to give us an overview of their beliefs.
My favourite topic at the moment is bible translations. I would love to know what bible Josh uses?
MHO using many different versions of scripture helps to clarify meanings in verses. My experience has shown me, for example:
Take one verse, any verse. Two different versions of scripture. One half of that verse makes more snese in the context of the verses surroubnding it, while the other half does not. Look at the seond bible and it's opposite. Seeing this so many times over the years.
What?
I agree with a lot of this church. I don't think God cares about how we interpret every little detail, or that we need a commandent for every little thing to choose the right. For me though, that includes the sabbath. How the week is set up is just how our culture decided to measure the continuity of time. As long as we can agree what 7th day is to be the sabbath, it shouldn't matter whether it be Saturday, Sunday, or Wednesday.
Suggest to Google the languages of the earth and just SEE how many know that SATURDAY IS CALLED EITHER SEVEN or SABBATH in THEIR RESPECTIVE LANGUAGES.
GOD BEGAN time when He created in the first 6 days then SANCTIFIED and SET APART the 7th day. WHO ARE WE to usurp what God put in place and take such a cavalier attitude toward His Work?
hmmm...funny for me. I had no idea this was a video I had already commented on but here I am again. So I wanted to add to my first response 2 months ago.
GOD SANCTIFIED and MADE HOLY< the 7 th Day we call Saturday ( technically beginning at sundown Friday).
CONSIDER THIS!!!! GOD SANCTIFIED IT, declared it and that's that! No one can touch it or change it, no man and certianly not the devil although he does keep trying to poison mankind into believing otherwise.
The SABBATH CANNOT BE TOUCHED!!!! EVER!!!! It is an anchor point, a waymark, a sign (read in Ezekiel).
Put God FIRST in ALL things, including His Ten Commandments most epseically that 4th commandment.
While the "Law" (more correctly Torah) was given to Israel, GO BACK to Genesis BEFORE ISRAEL ever existed. ALL the peoples of the earth KNEW what day Sabbath was and still is. Just Google the languages of the earth and see.
If GOD declared this day HOLY, WHY does anyone not keep it?????
love your stuff!
would love to see a video on which denominations are two basic things:
1: preterist or semi preterist
2: agree with scientific facts. / aren’t science deniers or young earth etc…
you might want to read this book then:
ble Prophecy Secrets II by Abraham Ojeda
Do SDB celebrate Easter?
NO. The observe "Resurrection Sunday".
@@ateachableheart2649 lol! Same thing unless they celebrate during Passover.
@@flamingofan5411 Let me clarify they actually call it Resurrection Sunday. There are no easter egg hunts or decorations at least at the SDB church I used to attend. The focus was on Jesus not the easter bunny.
@@ateachableheart2649 i understand.
That is what most all churches do.
I was hoping since the meet on the actual Biblical Sabbath, that they would also meet on the Biblical time of our Savior’s death, burial, and resurrection.
These take place during Passover.
Easter is a completely different holiday on a completely different date.
Easter( of which churchianity attaches Resurrection Sunday) is a pagan holiday celebrated way before Christs birth. It literally has nothing to do with Jesus.
According to the Bible He died during Passover. So any celebration of His resurrection should be done during that holiday.
@@flamingofan5411 My expereince with that SDB church is that aside from worship and gatheirng on the Sabbath, they wer really no different than other Sunday worship mainstream churches. No one church is perfect for sure. Sadly, it seems to be difficult to find a good fit.
I would be very interested in learning how many, who post on RtH, take or would take communion if offered leavened bread instead of unleavened.
Which of the 2, do you believe was used at the new passover, last supper??
Leavened bread only in the Eastern Orthodox faith.
And, have you considered
John 13 verses 4 to 17.
Im.curious as to why almost all denominations dont practice this either.
@@St.MartinofToursPrayToGodForUs
And sundisc crackers in the roman catholic church.
@@astutik8909whut? I don't care about what they do. That's their business.
They got a revelation. Thank God it wasn't like the one Joseph Smith received
No they didn't, nor do they even claim as much.
Unless you're referring to the Book of Revelation, I think you're thinking of another group.
Considering their emphasis on independent interpretation of Scripture, it's so ironic they see no gray area regarding monogamous LGBTQ folks.
The world is full of many ways to try to appear to be the original authentic Christian Church. There is only one way to truly be authentic as the Church Christ and the Apostles founded, and that is to belong to that one and same Church which Christ himself established along with the Apostles. Some try being Jewish, some try by speaking in tongues, using Jewish names, and language, some think it's carrying a bible, reading the bible, keeping the Jewish Holy Days, calling days of the year pagan or finding righteousness in the law, and Jewish food distinctions, fake visions dreams and prophecies, all of which is in vain. All of this is nothing more than to appear authentic when they are not. There are millions of self-ordained "ministers", not to mention the countless "Evangelists", "Apostles" "Deacons" and so called, "Brothers and Sisters in Christ" all claiming to be God's elect. They do everything but the right thing to appear to be something they are not. Every day it's more inventions rather than repentance. Satan is having a heyday.
The church that Christ founded is the one that kept his commandments.
No praying with beads, praying to statues, praying to the dead and for the dead, no belief in communion cannibalism, no belief in purgatory, no confession to sinful men who are forbidden to marry etc
And the Eastern church is much older than the Western church.... as if age itself mattered.
Thanks for the sermon, "reverend."
@@marcodesalud7034 The Epistle by the Apostle Paul called, ,"Romans" is written to the
CHURCH OF ROME . Read the first 10 verses of chapter one. *Read how the
Holy Spirit left an indelibly engraved* eternal word of God through the Apostles and their love and affection for the Church of Rome. ROMANS 1 the Apostle Paul wrote to the Church of Rome under inspiration of Holy Spirit. Romans 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for. .... *the obedience of the faith, among ALL NATIONS (CATHOLIC) for his name*
1 The Church of Rome's faith was " *spoken of throughout the whole world* ". Rom.1:8
2. God is Paul's witness *Paul prayed without ceasing* for the Church of Rome.
Also, "Making mention of the Church of Rome always in his prayers" . 1 verse 9
3. Paul extended ' *Grace and Peace from the Father and Lord Jesus Christ to the Church of Rome* . (vs 7)
4. *Paul thanked God for the Church of Rome* and calls them the beloved OF God!! (vs. 8)
5. Paul prophesied, *"The God of Peace will crush Satan under the Church of Rome's feet"* Rom.16:20
1John 2:18-19, how that *"They"* WENT OUT and left the Church because *"They"* were not of US (the church) .1John 2 goes on to say, *"for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us:* That's what Protestantism did, *"They"* went out from us.
The Apostle Paul and the others makes it clear that they speak with the AUTHORITY OF CHRIST, Matt. 10:1,40 - Jesus declares to His apostles, "he who receives YOU receives ME (CHRIST), and he who rejects you, rejects Me and the One who sent Me
Matt. 16:19; 18:18 - the apostles are given Christ's authority to make visible decisions on earth that will be ratified in heaven.
1 John 4: 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
The next time you drive by a cemetery remember how all those people had their chance to change during their lifetime. But now, for them that time is past and God which knows their hearts they are judged. God help the Adventists and their like for their gross dishonesty and false testimony!!!
Lastly, Had Christ, HIMSELF had the proper name *“ROCK”* everyone in the Bible would have called Christ “PETER” Or “CEPHAS” because the ONLY way to pronounce the *proper name* "Rock" in the bible is PETER OR CEPHAS!! The Protestants are caught in their desire to deceive themselves and others!
@@geordiewishart1683 It's too bad the Adventist's don't know the scriptures regarding confession. It is written in the law: Lev 5 And if a soul sin, and hear the voice of swearing, and is a witness, whether he hath seen or known of it; if he do not utter it, then he shall bear his iniquity.
2 Or if a soul touch any unclean thing, whether it be a carcase of an unclean beast, or a carcase of unclean cattle, or the carcase of unclean creeping things, and if it be hidden from him; he also shall be unclean, and guilty.
3 Or if he touch the uncleanness of man, whatsoever uncleanness it be that a man shall be defiled withal, and it be hid from him; when he knoweth of it, then he shall be guilty.
4 Or if a soul swear, pronouncing with his lips to do evil, or to do good, whatsoever it be that a man shall pronounce with an oath, and it be hid from him; when he knoweth of it, then he shall be guilty in one of these.
5 *And it shall be, when he shall be guilty in ONE of these things, that he shall confess that he hath sinned in that thing:*
*Read Lev 5 the entire chapter!! It is only when the SIN IS CONFESSED to the Priest and the offering is made that the SIN IS FORGIVEN*
The priests of the Church share in Christ's priesthood to offer prayers and offerings for the people, just as they share in Christ's authority to forgive sins. That is the truth of the matter.
The unfortunate truth is, that Protestants don't confess their sins even to God, much less those to whom God commanded them to confess. They refuse to examine their conscience on daily basis and use their hatred of Catholicism to hide confessing sins at all.
The diet rules no coffee tea soda
Sounds like something particular to a certain congregation or group of congregations. It seems pretty obvious they only make statements about the bare essentials, and not piddly stuff like this where different people and churches will disagree, and are inessential.
Isn't that more the sda church
Sounds like legalism nonsense. If a chrisrian does not wanna drink tea or coffee that is one thing, but a generic rule for all is legalism. Certain things are sins like lying, fornication etc. but dietary instructions and laws were for Israel's benefit, not for us by command
My SDB church, growing up, had no dietary restrictions.
@@samthelima 99% sure they are confusing SDB with SDA.
Nothing new here, unfortunately, just another group of people who don't know how to "rightly divide the word of truth," 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV, and do not understand the importance of what Paul has conveyed to us today in the body of Christ in his epistles. What is sorely needed is verse-by-verse serious bible study through every one of the 66 books. We know that is pretty much not going on in the so-called "Christian" churches today. NOT everything in the bible is addressed specifically TO us today in the body of Christ, but all scripture is FOR anyone who sincerely wants to believe the word of God in context. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV says "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." The body of Christ today is not and has never been "spiritual" Israel in any sense. We are a different entity and are dealt with by God in a different way than He dealt with Israel in the past and will deal with Israel again after the body of Christ is removed from the earth. To even call yourself a baptist of any kind makes no sense at all. (And I was an independent baptist for 20 years after leaving roman catholicism at age 30). Water baptism is in truth a Jewish ceremonial/ritual carryover, and washing in water was something Old Testament Israel was very familiar with in the law and HAD to abide by or else (as was tithing). Water ritual was nothing new to them. Those Jews who obeyed John the Baptist became "believing" Israel. The scribes, scholars, Pharisees, etc., who refused to let John dunk them back then did not accept Christ as their Messiah. Today, the body of Christ has NO need of Jewish ritual/ceremony at all, according to Paul's epistles. Today, no water is needed, and we do not "tithe" but are to be charitable, period. Our gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV: "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:" All of Paul's revelations were given to him directly by the risen Christ Himself and not from any of the 12 apostles.
The Bible has 73 books.
2 Timothy 2.15 has nothing to do with dispensationalism--or really anything to do with interpreting the Bible, for that matter. In the context of the letter, Paul is telling Timothy to proclaim the gospel accurately in the face of heretics who were proclaiming the false message that the resurrection had already happened.
Paul calls the gospel message itself "the word of truth" in Ephesians 1.13 and Colossians 1.5, and he was already talking about the gospel teachings that he had passed down orally to Timothy in the preceding verses, so it seems unlikely that he is referring to the Bible in 2 Timothy 2.15. He does get around to talking about it eventually in the third chapter, but he calls it the "scriptures" (grammata) instead of the "word" (logon).
Hmmm so why did the Apostles CONTINUE with water immersion baptisms??
This is just a bit of technical advice, since you went to so much time and trouble to put all of this here. A comment of this size needs to be broken up into at least two paragraphs, maybe three, otherwise a lot of people (including me) will just skip over it because it's too hard to read and makes our eyeballs hurt.
@@KephasIsStPeter Nope.
Every Protestant denomination from coast to coast or from one end of the Earth to the other, is not the Church created by Jesus. See Matt 16:18. He created One Church, His Church is the "pillar and foundation of truth". See 1 Tim 3:15. Also, his Church is the Final Authority (not the Bible Alone, which is an unbiblical heresy). See Matt 18:15-18. In 107AD, St Ignatius, a Bishop in his Church, wrote a letter calling it "Catholic" meaning Universal. The name stuck. His Church has been united in its beliefs from the beginning. When people like Wycliffe, Luther, and Calvin came along, The Church was fractured by their misleading and False teachings, which they had No Authority to teach. Now you have tens of thousands of Protestant (as in Protest), "churches" all believing different doctrines, yet reading the same Bible, which the Catholic Church created and gave to the world. "Bible Alone" is false. "Faith Alone" is false. "Once Saved Always Saved" is false. And there are plenty of other false teachings also.
Do you agree with everything said by Pope Francis?
As a former Catholic, I strongly disagree. The Magisterium of the Roman church brought many heresies into the church, one being the paying of indulgences for people to escape the duration of “purgatory”. Where did this come from?!!! God Bless Martin Luther for standing for the Faith and against the false doctrines of Rome! I attended a SDB church for four years and the people are very God fearing people dedicated to the study of scripture. For reasons I do not care to discuss, I am now happily a member of the Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod which I will remain until I die or until the Lord returns. God Blesses all true believers. He knows EVERY denomination has false doctrine. The Catholic Church just has way too much false doctrine for me to belong.
Catholics always want to paint Luther in a bad light when they themselves were already in schism with the Orthodox churches 500 years before the Reformation.
@@Joel-d7e3t Poorly educated Catholics become Protestant. Well educated Protestants become Catholic.
Perhaps you’ve heard of John Henry Newman, an Anglican priest in the late 1800’s, who set out to prove the Catholic Church “wrong”. He became a Catholic Priest. He’s famous for saying: “To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant”.
@@cinemint Why would I? Do you think Catholics have to? Maybe you should educate yourself. Why do you think that?
more heretics huh.
Heretics because they obey God's written commands?