Cal Fire Aviation Sandbox Training Exercise 2022

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  • @eeblatter
    @eeblatter 2 роки тому +22

    Having lost everything due to a firestorm I really appreciate the dedication of these professionals who work to keep us safe. Thank you, Juan, showing us this exercise.

  • @VictoryAviation
    @VictoryAviation 2 роки тому +17

    I'm fixed wing CPL and currently in rotary transition training, also having over 22 years in the military with two combat deployments under my belt. This kind of exercise is priceless to take care of mistakes before they ever happen in operation. It's amazing how much training value can be obtained from such exercises as long as everyone takes it seriously. A sandtable is the cheapest way to run through scenarios in the least amount of time and with the least amount of monetary investment. They can literally be set up anywhere.
    Thanks Juan for this awesome behind the scenes peek!

  • @rickmaudlin2160
    @rickmaudlin2160 2 роки тому +17

    Loved the "Left a Gap" comment on Tanker-89's pink-paper drop. hahaha Great exercise, thanks for bringing it to us.

    • @ARFFWorld
      @ARFFWorld 2 роки тому +5

      Firehouse humor at its finest.

    • @tom_ad9343
      @tom_ad9343 2 роки тому +2

      I take it the extreme accuracy of drops is no laughing matter, hence when not under the high stress of fighting a fire they can make light of it during the exercise.

    • @rickmaudlin2160
      @rickmaudlin2160 2 роки тому

      @@tom_ad9343 Yep. You got it.

  • @gerardjohnson2106
    @gerardjohnson2106 2 роки тому +33

    Awesome. I watched this last year also. An excellent debriefing exercise. Debriefing = What we did. & What we coulda, shoulda, will do next time. Allotted and coordinated airspace for fire operations and other agencies is tough in these "heated" situations. Wishing all well and safe operations this year. Thanks for bringing this to us.

  • @rreiter
    @rreiter 2 роки тому +9

    Wow what a great way to train a mental picture of how the moving pieces all work together for everyone involved.

  • @GyroBlain
    @GyroBlain 2 роки тому +14

    While being on a fire crew for six seasons in the 70's I started earning my PPL, and always had some curiosity about the flight logistics at fires. Even trained on helitac crew for fill-in but was never exposed to very much organizationally. I saw a few close calls, maybe due to a less than optimal air command in those years. This presentation by you was excellent, especially considering that there are so many fires these days. Thank you so much!
    BTW, very nice to meet you at the Tower Grill. Come again & fly rotors with me!

  • @georgemccoy219
    @georgemccoy219 2 роки тому +4

    I was a volunteer firefighter with Riverside County Fire / CDF Riverside Ranger Unit back in the late 80's and early 90's. I was always amazed at the close co-ordination between the air units. Thanks for showing me "the rest of the story". This simulated "sand box" training is amazing. Even in this day and age of incredible computer animation, a simple sand box interactive session can't be beat.

    • @joeloveland6283
      @joeloveland6283 2 місяці тому

      I was too,Stn 35 and worked a season at stn 32. Didn't get to goo many wildland fires..East end of the county tended to cover. But it was always interesting to watch the air ops at work.

  • @ARFFWorld
    @ARFFWorld 2 роки тому +3

    Who needs computers and high tech equipment to have great training. Just need some yarn and a room full of great minds. Thanks for sharing this Juan.

  • @catherinenelson4162
    @catherinenelson4162 2 роки тому +11

    That looked like good training to me! I've known some of the farm families on that ridge for a number of years. In fact, one of their family members worked with me at the Forest Service a number of years ago.

  • @telquad1953
    @telquad1953 2 роки тому +6

    Very very good. Well done. Respect to all the firefighters, no matter what their speciality.

  • @johnfitzpatrick2469
    @johnfitzpatrick2469 2 роки тому +16

    That chemical does a good job containing fire.
    Also reinforces the importance of altimeter accuracy!
    🌏🇦🇺

    • @Unknown_Ooh
      @Unknown_Ooh 2 роки тому

      Also has PFAS in it and pollutes water and causes cancer. Wild fires are natural and controlling them makes them worse. What do you think happened before firefighting services existed? Clearly it didn't burn down half the country. Waste of tax dollars.

  • @edkiely2712
    @edkiely2712 2 роки тому +16

    Great content again Juan! You're easily one of the top aviation channels out there!

  • @johnwilliamson5191
    @johnwilliamson5191 2 роки тому +4

    Another fine classroom video I learn so much, Thank you. That group there probably among the best in the world.

  • @coonagh1
    @coonagh1 2 роки тому +9

    Great insight as to how it’s all coordinated. Thanks for sharing.

  • @pdxyadayada
    @pdxyadayada 2 роки тому +4

    I loved this when you presented it last year!

  • @dgsantafedave1
    @dgsantafedave1 2 роки тому +14

    You could really see this training unfold during the Ranchofire. There were helicopters, 2 engine, 4 engine planes, 4 jet and heavies all in the air around the fire at the same time! Also there was a strange looking jet way up high that was circling the perimeter the whole time.

    • @loganamnosiss
      @loganamnosiss 2 роки тому +5

      The one circling was most likely the controller for all the other units.

  • @SwitchMonkey
    @SwitchMonkey 2 роки тому +2

    That was cool! Chair flying is so important. Never go into the sky without knowing what’s going to happen.

  • @johnclements8549
    @johnclements8549 2 роки тому +8

    That is awesome drill practice!

  • @Forestryman707
    @Forestryman707 2 роки тому +9

    More cal fire aviation content please 🤩

  • @grantgarlington7ACDriver
    @grantgarlington7ACDriver 2 роки тому +11

    Just wanted to thank you again for all the great video content you provide for us… You are an inspiration for perfection

  • @davidschafranka3975
    @davidschafranka3975 2 роки тому +2

    Excellent briefing. Wishing the news media could see this before they report.

  • @collectorguy3919
    @collectorguy3919 2 роки тому +4

    I wish my office was like this: Using a low-tech/high-value sandbox, coordinating with actual people in a big space, with the big door open. We have a "sandbox" database that can't approach it's real potential because the technology, and the organization built to serve it, gets in the way. Complexity could not be avoided in the past, but the future is simplifying systems architecture so people can experiment more.

  • @T21Dad
    @T21Dad 2 роки тому +3

    Very cool to see the behind the scenes planning and training. I lived in Roseville for 14 years and listened to many air ops on nearby wildfires and was always impressed by the coordination ability of the Air Attack captains. I don't think this video truly captured the multi-tasking that they do in real time. I think you could do a long form interview for a veteran air attack guy intertwined with some in-cockpit audio and video showing a real fire. Keep the content coming Juan.

  • @akb5531
    @akb5531 2 роки тому +3

    That was really interesting! Thanks for the wide variety of things you do on your channel & all the work you put in to it.

  • @kevinphillips9408
    @kevinphillips9408 2 роки тому +5

    Gee this is a great video. Amazing work that they do.

  • @terrancestodolka4829
    @terrancestodolka4829 2 роки тому +1

    Nice to be with a bunch of professional firefighter pilots. The best is when they achieve a goal of containment, but they will tell you their best is when they work with the ground crews, and to keep them all safe. So in the end all the Firefighters are going home safe and sound.

  • @richardburguillos3118
    @richardburguillos3118 2 роки тому +7

    That was great! Your videos really makes me wish I had made different career choices. Thanks to the men and women and support staff that fight these fires in the sky and on the ground for all your hard and extensive training to make it safe.

  • @jimwattenburger4545
    @jimwattenburger4545 2 роки тому

    Great training refresher for all cooperators, big improvement over years past. I was the I.C. For the midair tanker crash on August 27th, 2001 , Hopland California, speaking from experience.

  • @VLove-CFII
    @VLove-CFII 2 роки тому +2

    Excellent content. A completely different type of advanced flying. CalFire has this down to a science. Thanks for the video Juan.

  • @kirknitz3794
    @kirknitz3794 2 роки тому +1

    Excellent job by all. Eerie hearing the actual call out. The special effects for the helo was cool. Prayers that all stay safe.

  • @badbilly1083
    @badbilly1083 2 роки тому +2

    I absolutely love the CalFire info & videos

  • @dominicMcAfee
    @dominicMcAfee 2 роки тому +2

    Hey Juan! Yeah this is one I was telling about on the call. I love this! Thanks for bringing it to us!!!! Really cool content!

  • @elosogonzalez8739
    @elosogonzalez8739 2 роки тому +2

    Practice makes perfect! Loosing one is ONE TOO MANY! We've got plenty of the real thing in Arizona right now. Sure could use some help. Great video Juan!

  • @vincentvdh4133
    @vincentvdh4133 2 роки тому +1

    It reminds me of the types of briefings the Blue Angels conduct, prior to conducting their performances. I didn't realize it was that extensive. Amazing!

  • @kenclark9888
    @kenclark9888 2 роки тому +6

    Wow such a great program!

    • @shadowsrwolf
      @shadowsrwolf 2 роки тому

      No cal fire is not a great program is is extremely flawed and restricts most fire assets to being owned by the state

  • @peterwilliams9535
    @peterwilliams9535 2 роки тому +5

    About 2 fire seasons ago I watched a Canadian plane fly overhead after dropping its magic fairy dust over a neighbouring suburb. Yes, where we live (Warrawee, Sydney, NSW Aus.) there are many very tall gum trees. It is great to have collaboration and communication with Canadian, and US, firies. Useful that our fire seasons are at different times of the year. Not so great is the fact that fire seasons are widening due to global warming. A change of government in Australia hopefully means some extraction of the proverbial fingers in that regard. BTW, loved the sandpit games - thanks Juan.

  • @griffm5
    @griffm5 2 роки тому +1

    non pilot, zero experience ~>>> this is fascinating !

  • @AndyHoltOutdoorUniversity
    @AndyHoltOutdoorUniversity 2 роки тому +2

    That was educational and entertaining! Thank you for filming this.

  • @cfinstr
    @cfinstr 2 роки тому +5

    On Monday the 13th of June 2022 at about 6:30 P.M. there was a fire to the west of Lake Hughes in Northern Los Angeles County. There was a 45 knot wind from the west and Calfire had helicopters dropping water… a DC-10 came in from the East on the north side of the fire, did a 180 and did a drop of the red stuff on his West to East run. Two fire trucks and ground crews jumped in and no structures were lost even though the wind got up to 60 knots from the west. The grassland fire was quickly put out. Ground crews kept watch…..

  • @androidemulator6952
    @androidemulator6952 2 роки тому

    So interesting watch- great way to rehearse everyone's role and protocols - thanks for the video

  • @mikenovick4827
    @mikenovick4827 2 роки тому

    Good job Juan I had no idea the coronation in which cal fire keeps everyone in check and organized, great idea for a dry run. Thanks

  • @nancychace8619
    @nancychace8619 2 роки тому +2

    Good session. Interesting to see how they practice. Hope things don't get too crazy this year. Stay safe -

  • @trinity72gp
    @trinity72gp 2 роки тому +2

    🇬🇧🙋🏾‍♀️Very well explained. These guys do amazing work in challenging conditions 👌🏾👍🏾

  • @rogerlafrance6355
    @rogerlafrance6355 2 роки тому +6

    Here in CO, they seem to be getting the TFR's up a lot faster. Also, have noticed a rash of Ag part 137 accidents including some seats.

  • @tomkiefer2386
    @tomkiefer2386 2 роки тому +4

    That was amazing!!

  • @Ryno_916
    @Ryno_916 2 місяці тому

    Bless all of you

  • @ericmichalski9468
    @ericmichalski9468 2 роки тому +3

    Awesome video!!!

  • @OFD271
    @OFD271 2 роки тому +2

    Just got back from Calf Creek Fire in New Mexico. Spent a morning with the Aeroflite 415's @ KSAF chatting about their ops If California experiences anything this year like AZ and NM are getting right now, its gonna be a long one.

  • @scottsarchitecturehildebra1761
    @scottsarchitecturehildebra1761 2 роки тому +2

    Super cool Juan!

  • @mattshaffer5935
    @mattshaffer5935 2 роки тому +1

    Great content. Very interesting.

  • @jkapown
    @jkapown 2 роки тому +1

    Haven't watched this video YET, however I know for a FACT that the Pilots are in the driver's seat this round of negotiations and it's time too get paid, you deserve it.
    Amen-

  • @Ryanboy2020
    @Ryanboy2020 2 роки тому +4

    Californians do not appreciate the fact that in Cal Fire they have the world's premier forest fire fighting force in the world! No fire is too hot for CalFire!!

  • @marlinweekley51
    @marlinweekley51 2 роки тому +5

    Juan I’ve heard only one company makes fire retardant (dropped from aircraft) and that company is owned by one family. Is this true? Are others considering entering the business. Seems with the obvious increase in demand would be tough for one source to meet that demand economically. Interesting and timely topic.

  • @clmccomas
    @clmccomas 2 роки тому +1

    I'm assuming that "Flat pitch" is short for "I have landed and doing a hot unload or load"? Flat pitch is where the rotor blades are flat and are not generating any lift.
    Good stuff. Sandboxes are a great way to expose any misunderstandings or miscommunications of a plan. It is important in these kinds of exercises to make them a penalty free zone, so people are not afraid to ask stupid questions.

  • @onewheelworld7008
    @onewheelworld7008 2 роки тому +1

    thank you

  • @GringoLoco1
    @GringoLoco1 2 роки тому +1

    It's going to be another tough fire season. Be safe and come home!

  • @lukehoward3487
    @lukehoward3487 Рік тому

    Great exercise

  • @crystalparker9117
    @crystalparker9117 8 місяців тому

    I remember that crash near Ukiah in 2001 l, my dad was good friends with the pilots Larry and Lars. My dad was Air attack captain out of Rohnerville AAB

  • @auroran0
    @auroran0 2 роки тому +3

    That's a good Murphy's law in there with an actual call happening in training. I've had that happen on search and rescue training. We think we're going to be training on one thing then get sent elsewhere for the real deal.

  • @rogerpenske2411
    @rogerpenske2411 2 роки тому +2

    Are the nozzles adjustable
    to vary the droplet size in order to compensate for wind, altitude, and RH so as to maximize the amount of water that gets to the ground before it evaporates?

  • @shirmworm
    @shirmworm 2 роки тому +1

    Interesting! Thanks!!!

  • @2011mendo
    @2011mendo 2 роки тому +1

    Pretty cool....
    Never heard any of the pilots talk about wind, (smoke) height or density.
    Is that not a topic of discussion? Especially for that copter dropping crew!!

  • @ScottGinATL
    @ScottGinATL 2 роки тому

    Thank you again Juan for the great content! How often do the teams have to go through this type training so they can know how to work together when the time comes?

  • @theashpilez
    @theashpilez 2 роки тому +2

    Ya need a bigger sandbox

  • @DG-wu7ke
    @DG-wu7ke 2 роки тому +1

    I just saw a Concorde landing in this late 70's movie. Did you ever fly on one?

  • @baldmann81850
    @baldmann81850 2 роки тому

    Capt. Juan, this is off topic but I really want to know. Did aircraft engineers learn anything about the acrobatics of the Q400 performed by the hijacker 3 years ago in KSEA?

  • @EWDAVID94
    @EWDAVID94 Рік тому +1

    i hope they made airplane and helicopter noises

  • @johnwoodall3791
    @johnwoodall3791 3 місяці тому

    The Air Crews of Cal Fire next to the Military have skills that defy logic at times...

  • @chriso847
    @chriso847 2 роки тому +3

    Who should a GA pilot contact if he or she sees a new fire that appears to have no Cal Fire on scene yet?

    • @blancolirio
      @blancolirio  2 роки тому +1

      Contact the local ATC controlling agency. They'll forward the info quick!

    • @chriso847
      @chriso847 2 роки тому +1

      Good to know. Thanks Juan.

  • @bajamedic
    @bajamedic 2 роки тому

    Juan, I see you in a VLAT in the future. You would have a shorter commute too.

  • @ex-missourifireexplorerrob8274
    @ex-missourifireexplorerrob8274 8 місяців тому

    Do the Cal Fire air bases have their own tones, when being dispatched?

  • @mtkoslowski
    @mtkoslowski 2 роки тому +1

    Juan, how come _you’re_ not flying fire operations? Surely you are well qualified?

  • @bermuge1
    @bermuge1 Рік тому

    can anyone clarify what it means to say that the helicopters orbit clockwise with respect to the seating position of the pilot?

  • @lebojay
    @lebojay 2 роки тому +8

    And I work at a fu**ing desk. ☹️

  • @robertsimmons3556
    @robertsimmons3556 2 роки тому +12

    Always poignant topics on your channel. My brother in law flew about every airtanker in the inventory. He retired from Aero Union flying P3's. He always has stories and safety issues are always attached!!! Good...Bad...and funny! Actually today is his birthday, he's made 84 trips around the sun.

  • @greglong2784
    @greglong2784 2 роки тому

    Question.
    Why left/right rather then port/starboard.

    • @blancolirio
      @blancolirio  2 роки тому +8

      This ain't the Navy...

    • @daveg8993
      @daveg8993 2 роки тому

      @@blancolirio 😀😀😁

  • @flybyairplane3528
    @flybyairplane3528 2 роки тому

    JUAN, Hello& thanks for this ;sandbox; idea, , At your field, is there now more JET A, or do they refill elsware ? Stay well 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

    • @blancolirio
      @blancolirio  2 роки тому

      Plenty of Jet A here for Airtankers.

  • @3rdgr2t11
    @3rdgr2t11 2 роки тому

    I wish i had them engines

  • @adrianwapcaplet2773
    @adrianwapcaplet2773 3 місяці тому

    The commentary implies these airspace procedures were not standardized or in widespread use prior to the 2001 midair S-2 collision. If true, I find that surprising, as aerial fire suppression was/is a very mature industry, even back then.
    A time-based, not a distance-based initial call yields more accurate sequencing of aircraft arriving at differing speeds. Outside the US, aircraft call when 5 minutes back, not 12 miles. Mind you, the Americans allow a racetrack stack with multiple air tankers following each other at the same altitude, whereas a vertical stack with 500' separation is the norm elsewhere. If no positive response/clearance is achieved, then a distance-based holding point is mandated: inbound assets proceed no closer than 5nm from the coordinates (similar to the 7nm ring in the US). It's interesting to see the similarities as well as the fundamental (and subtle) differences in aircraft use and terminology between US and non-US wildland fire agencies.
    PS: why do sheriffs need to be on scene? Sorry coppers - remain 5 miles from the fire. .

    • @joeloveland6283
      @joeloveland6283 2 місяці тому +1

      Because some sheriff helicopters are equipped for water drops, especially in California where resources may be scarce due multiple fires.
      Just a few days ago there was a wildland interface type fire in a local city and we had 1 CalFire helicopter and 2 San Bernardino County Fire Helicopters doing water drops.

    • @adrianwapcaplet2773
      @adrianwapcaplet2773 2 місяці тому

      @@joeloveland6283 OK, these are CalFire and/or County resources then. I understand LA, SD, SB etc Counties are well-equipped with wildland aviation assets, but I was envisioning random law enforcement aircraft overhead fires, which doesn't seem to serve much of a purpose that I can think of.

    • @joeloveland6283
      @joeloveland6283 2 місяці тому

      @@adrianwapcaplet2773 to a certain extent, true. But I can see them being used to coordinate evacuation of citizens ahead of the fire, possibly noting hot spots jumping ahead, advising of problems with traffic/road closures.
      They Air attack also has to be aware of and maybe coordinate press/media helicopters in the area and advise them of areas to avoid so they aren't in the way of water drop/retardant drops operations

    • @adrianwapcaplet2773
      @adrianwapcaplet2773 2 місяці тому

      @@joeloveland6283 The fire intelligence component is performed by air attack, not by law enforcement. Ground-based law enforcement may notify people to evacuate, but not by aircraft.
      Media helicopters are like any other general aviation traffic, and would need to remain clear of the TFR or any area covered by NOTAM unless specifically cleared into the fire traffic area. I'm not sure about the US, but there is no obligation here to allow media aircraft overhead an active incident.

  • @stevet8121
    @stevet8121 2 роки тому +1

    Playing in a sandbox with lives on the line.

  • @ronaldjennings8057
    @ronaldjennings8057 2 роки тому +1

    👍👍👍👍🔥🙏🛩

  • @mrredpill3121
    @mrredpill3121 2 роки тому +1

    they need some shoulder wings

  • @utahballoonflights2716
    @utahballoonflights2716 2 роки тому +1

    Come see the BLM in Utah next 😊

  • @aDifferentJZ
    @aDifferentJZ 2 роки тому +2

    lolol calling the 2nd pilot out on the gap of sand

  • @kenhurley4441
    @kenhurley4441 2 роки тому +1

    Unfortunately your gonna have to do a bunch of real fires this year. Sure hate to see the drought continuing in 2022. Practice, practice, practice with a bunch of realies!

  • @markknister6272
    @markknister6272 2 роки тому +4

    Review - review - review - practice - review - do - review - - -

  • @mikesolo7993
    @mikesolo7993 2 роки тому

    Thanks for deleting the frequncies!