I know ironmace already said this but i really hope The moment arena comes out they just focus on PvP balance. I think PvE needs some work but PvP rn is filthy.
@robforskinstein there is a thing called a "meta" that basically means if you're not playing this, you're wasting your time. For example, why would you have a team of fighter, ranger, wizard if what you should be running is triple cleric with max agility.
@@The_ASMR_Listener yes, metas are in all games like this but why play a meta if it’s simply not fun? Also a double cleric team may not even be good for a lot of people due to their own skill issue, I think the meta hunters and fotm class pickers are pretty dumb.
@@robforskinstein i see your point. but you see atm like apollos team destroying everyone with double cleric, bard. they can abuse it and 3v9 at the same time. meta will be always a thing but in Dark and Darker its really unbalanced most of the time.
@@Skoozee-h7k a bit tricky since rogue hard counters with CT, but lock is absurdly strong if not rps'd out by rogue. I'd put top A or bottom S considering it out classes everything other than rogue and cleric.
@@soapdogger well. but if a class is hard countered by the two most played classes and strongest in solos, as well as it is by agi barb, it doesnt deserve s tier anymore in my opinion. ranger can also beat them up.
warlock is great when versing easy matchups, but the problem is you're hard countered by rogue, cleric, ranger, panther druid and even barb is soft counter... it's a great class but hard countered by the current meta (caster warlock which is by far the most popular build rn)
@@cainliang8302 I mean you're not wrong, but a lot of these classes are easy to deal with if u play warlock and build ur kit correctly. (caster warlock) only thing that is really a threat is landmine/creep rogue with cut throat. Also demonlock is extremely broken right now as well. What im trying to say is the class is S tier if u know how to play it.
@@Skoozee-h7k I NEED TIERLIDTS EVERY PATH, EVERY THURSDAY, IM GONNAA NEED YOU TO WAY OVEREACT TO EVERU NERF AND BUFF AND JUST SAY SHIT, EVEN IF YOU HAVENT PLAYED IN A MONTH JUST BE LIKR “ yea guys that 10 percent scaling nerf on ignite really moves wizards from A tier to D tier guys, basically unplayable now complete garbage.
genuine question do you only play at higher gear scores? I feel like druid is the worst class without gear, its entire animal form's power is in rat. Bear does maybe 40 damage to dummy with a swipe and maybe 60 with an over head which is super easy to block, panther left clicks does 13 damage? and its bite does 17. the class is not a druid at lower levels its literally a poke and run bot with panther chicken jump or rat. It feels awful to play since you cant really straight up fight someone without knowing your going to have to run and reset. Even at higher gears its just a bear strength stacking, I don't think I even seen a single panther druid. I might be coping hard but it feels like the only way to play this class is kiting as a melee with zero range options, dreamfire's damage is base 15 and you get 4, its literally just a pve healing skill. Treant gets 2-3 shot by anyone using a half decent weapon. Dreamwalk got nerfed so hard you can barely cast natures touch(the free potion spell you get). It group its a bit better since you can get a ranger warlock or wizard to cover your lack of range and your bear is pretty good at detering melee fighters but in solos it just feels like a run away bot unless you have a 3-5k set with pure strength hp
Warlock in A tier is hilarious lol. What is your rank in solos? Its universally agreed that Warlock and Cleric are the strongest classes in the game right now. In solo's they can take off all their gear or just stack maximum movement speed and there's virtually no counter play.
Demigod every season. Ranger, Speed barb, Rogue,Warlock,Cleric all counterplay to warlock in solos. Also every class can take of their gear. You can get to max movespeed as barb, as rogue, as ranger. I agree warlock is broken and the strongest class in Duos and trios. but not in Solos.
I know ironmace already said this but i really hope The moment arena comes out they just focus on PvP balance. I think PvE needs some work but PvP rn is filthy.
How?
@robforskinstein there is a thing called a "meta" that basically means if you're not playing this, you're wasting your time. For example, why would you have a team of fighter, ranger, wizard if what you should be running is triple cleric with max agility.
@@The_ASMR_Listener you have a point tho
@@The_ASMR_Listener yes, metas are in all games like this but why play a meta if it’s simply not fun? Also a double cleric team may not even be good for a lot of people due to their own skill issue, I think the meta hunters and fotm class pickers are pretty dumb.
@@robforskinstein i see your point. but you see atm like apollos team destroying everyone with double cleric, bard. they can abuse it and 3v9 at the same time. meta will be always a thing but in Dark and Darker its really unbalanced most of the time.
warlock is s tier, 4 viable builds that are all strong in solos other than that list is pretty accurate
i can agree. still i dont think warlock deserves s in solos
@@Skoozee-h7k a bit tricky since rogue hard counters with CT, but lock is absurdly strong if not rps'd out by rogue. I'd put top A or bottom S considering it out classes everything other than rogue and cleric.
@@soapdogger well. but if a class is hard countered by the two most played classes and strongest in solos, as well as it is by agi barb, it doesnt deserve s tier anymore in my opinion. ranger can also beat them up.
warlock is great when versing easy matchups, but the problem is you're hard countered by rogue, cleric, ranger, panther druid and even barb is soft counter... it's a great class but hard countered by the current meta (caster warlock which is by far the most popular build rn)
@@cainliang8302 I mean you're not wrong, but a lot of these classes are easy to deal with if u play warlock and build ur kit correctly. (caster warlock) only thing that is really a threat is landmine/creep rogue with cut throat. Also demonlock is extremely broken right now as well. What im trying to say is the class is S tier if u know how to play it.
this video lowkey makes me wanna make my own tier list in terms of another aspect/quality to dark and darker haha just might do it on the main
go for it brother
Hey man what software do you use for clip recording in the dungeons? Love your Barb content btw you’re sick with it!
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@@Skoozee-h7k I NEED TIERLIDTS EVERY PATH, EVERY THURSDAY, IM GONNAA NEED YOU TO WAY OVEREACT TO EVERU NERF AND BUFF AND JUST SAY SHIT, EVEN IF YOU HAVENT PLAYED IN A MONTH JUST BE LIKR “ yea guys that 10 percent scaling nerf on ignite really moves wizards from A tier to D tier guys, basically unplayable now complete garbage.
@@womancrisisbigmac ok CHEF!
genuine question do you only play at higher gear scores? I feel like druid is the worst class without gear, its entire animal form's power is in rat. Bear does maybe 40 damage to dummy with a swipe and maybe 60 with an over head which is super easy to block, panther left clicks does 13 damage? and its bite does 17. the class is not a druid at lower levels its literally a poke and run bot with panther chicken jump or rat. It feels awful to play since you cant really straight up fight someone without knowing your going to have to run and reset. Even at higher gears its just a bear strength stacking, I don't think I even seen a single panther druid. I might be coping hard but it feels like the only way to play this class is kiting as a melee with zero range options, dreamfire's damage is base 15 and you get 4, its literally just a pve healing skill. Treant gets 2-3 shot by anyone using a half decent weapon. Dreamwalk got nerfed so hard you can barely cast natures touch(the free potion spell you get). It group its a bit better since you can get a ranger warlock or wizard to cover your lack of range and your bear is pretty good at detering melee fighters but in solos it just feels like a run away bot unless you have a 3-5k set with pure strength hp
yeah i agree with you with everything you say. druid without gear is uselss af
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Cleric is not S tier ,it's Superman tier
thats what the s stands for
Warlock in A tier is hilarious lol. What is your rank in solos? Its universally agreed that Warlock and Cleric are the strongest classes in the game right now. In solo's they can take off all their gear or just stack maximum movement speed and there's virtually no counter play.
Demigod every season.
Ranger, Speed barb, Rogue,Warlock,Cleric all counterplay to warlock in solos.
Also every class can take of their gear.
You can get to max movespeed as barb, as rogue, as ranger. I agree warlock is broken and the strongest class in Duos and trios. but not in Solos.
Lass mal zusammen spielen :)
sure
rouge is not S tier LMAO
It is! 2-3 taps every class and has no sound coming on your ass! Nerf rogues 😊
Rogue is def S Tier in Solos.
yeah rogue is S tier in solos. not a shadow of a doubt
You said cleric was S tier but put him in B tier lol
where exactly ? @br8kl0ps
@@Skoozee-h7k 1:20
@@brokloppsen at 1:20 Cleric is in S Tier and FIghter in B Tier