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About the water attunement, i belive the reasoning in the lore for it not being there is because some powerful dude had a broken bell and removed it from the song or something like that
First reason: instruments. You dumb fr, these are simple instruments, not songchanted and you can't chant them, cause you are weakling and not a God. Second about shroom race. You can go just delete yourself for that, go play rogue if you want that poop in dw. About yunshul wish was actually funny, you can't wish that, cause not every wish can be done, he has limits too. About water is not playable because it is powerful enough to create new tides and sink dw world. Also your knowledge about sinking of celtor city and tides amusingly close to zero. You are the worst ngl.
frostdraw is frozen ether the song is NOT present in everyone (hence lightkeepers) the instruments thing is a somewhat valid argument, but i have 2 different explanations 1. in one of the lore books, a bard accidentally sets their violin on fire at the start of the canticlysm by using the song. if we focus on not channeling any actual ether into it, we can play instruments normally 2. what naktigonis says goes (he literally creates the song) about ironsing. think about how convoluted some of the mantras for ironsing are, and you'll start to realize why it's more industrial you're completely, 100% missing the actual lore of celtor's drowning. sure, they were a greedy city, but it was the ministry intentionally overusing the song to sacrifice the island to yun'shul, they just chose that island because it was big and it was corrupt. it isn't the tides that make decisions, it's the drowned gods like yun'shul that control the tides. it wasn't a big wave that took celtor, it was the celtorian horror, a gigantic sea monster that swallowed the island and dragged it to the first layer yes, you can absolutely overuse the song, that's why we can only use small mantras of it instead of just chanting it for a minute straight and causing huge destruction with the song the mecha sharkos are ignition union, not hive the reason the hive is more advanced is because they've been focusing on ways to rise above the tides, not simply survive among them plasma is the fusion of fire and lightning, like arcwarder dawnwalker is an imitation of lightkeep specialized for combat, not plasma thanks for reading my rant about everything you got wrong i guess
Frostdraw is NOT frozen ether. hence why freezing exist, Why would speifically frostdraw be different from every other attunement, Galebreath controls wind, flamecharm fire, thundercall lightning, shadowcast, SHADOWS. and frostdraw.. Frozen ether? I guess flamecharm Is burning either, and galebreath is, gale.. ether..? Yeah that shit doesn't make sense. Even If the song Isn't present In everyone, It's present In ALMOST Everyone, to the point where it'd be like a 0.1% Chance to NOT have the song inside you 1. What If the bard just, doesn't play it normally? Boom. It becomes a fucking NUKE again. 2. That would be valid if Ironsing STILL. wasn't the strongest pvp attunement In the game by FAR, Other then that It's all valid. If yunshul controls the tides why cant we just use WATER that isn't controlled by Yunshul? Or Is every single piece of water connected to yunshul. +, Why can we just normally swim In water? that has never made sense to me either. also, yes you can (In game) chant mantras for a minute straight. not create huge destruction with it but you sure can chant it for a bit. + I find it hard to believe The strongest mages In deepwoken struggle to make long chantings with the song, hence why the whole creation of the song is fucking stupid. Sharko situation IS correct.
1. every attunement is conjured from ether. do you think they make flames by just... thinking warm thoughts? they make tornadoes appear by breathing? they make lightning strikes at will by rubbing two balloons together? the storm blades description literally says "Conjure weapons of thunder with your ether." 2. you're literally proving my point by acknowledging that there are people without the song in them. seriously, what were you thinking? 3. instruments are stated NOWHERE to be nukes. the one instance we have of a normal instrument causing a magic effect is a single violin catching on fire. that's it. the reason bells are powerful is because it's your soul perfectly aligning with the song itself. 4. the ironsing complaint isn't even about lore, it's about game balance. getting several metal rods stuck in you and pulled out over and over will definitely kill you 5. all water is controlled by yun'shul. there is no 'water that isn't controlled by the drowned god that controls water.' also, there's a big difference between swimming in water and trying to waterbend. 6. no, you can't. you can say individual mantras, but those take up to ~7 seconds at max to cast (flame ballista), not a whole minute for a single spell. 7. they don't struggle with it, everyone just knows that if they overuse the song, the gods will punish them
Just so you know, the instruments being nukes has been debunked for a year, it was basically a piece of fanfiction created by fan artists that people ran with
@@Reaconteur A lot of stuff people say is "important part of the lore" or "makes no sense" is either fan fiction or head canon Funny video take my engagment
@@historicflame972 yea like I agree some of deepwoken lore makes no sense but most of it is misconceptions, misinterpretations, or just false info that people thought was true and spread around as if it was
One solution to most of your problems with the song. The song has to be played/channeled through a perfect pitch or frequency to get its power. Too much discordance would ruin the song’s effects heavily.
6:00 I said plasma for ease of understanding, it's just an application of lifeweave (If the hive teleportation devices powered by lifeweave wasn't enough of a hint that its more than just nature shit)
yeah breathing fire would be kinda stupid considering it would probably burn you from the inside since even flamecharmers don't have any resistance to fire
bruh duke has been to the depths so many times hes probs fighting a corrupted lifeweave kaido and ethiron in the trial each time he goes up and hes still kicking
The voices probably hold him with **VERY** high regard, they probably just let him go for free (earned through beating some of, if not their hardest trials)
7:04 actually you do not just lose control of your character. Dying inside a layer of the depths makes your soul travel between layers so fast that it shatters itself and you basically stop existing ☝️🤓
Developers explaining how waterbending can't be a thing because it could stop waves. also developers : - no changes to map and overall so on going story ( regent has been sitting on his throne for like a century talking about " etris drowing " )
Why call it the song then😂😂 and why use so many music related terms in the lore? Resonance, dissonance, VERSE like a verse of a SONG make it make sense bro🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
@@gxf4ever805because it could possibly be a way to show how the magic works for example it could possibly flow like music or anything like that the name “Song” could just be a metaphor
As some people said, dying in the depths pulls you down through all the layers so fast that your soul shatters. Makes sense since Deepwoken purgatory is named Fragments of Self
2:17 bro they did NOT say this about water, its because people can easily just waterbend all the water away from sinking islands and it wouldnt be fair to the drowned gods man
@@Reaconteur i think i heard it from some video, i think it was agamatsu saying this in what attunements can be in the game and he said something like a bunch of water users can just stop the drowning of the world
7:10 I’m pretty sure the lore behind drowning and dying is that when dying in the depths your soul is dragged through all of the layers so fast it shatters your soul or smth like that, which is why your character is “sunk” in the death animation
frostdraw is dry ice plasma came from both lightning and fire the song doesnt work as simply as enchanting something and making it one with the song, its not just sound, your soul resonates with the song which pshycally manifest into an instrument (a bell) you cannot just force the flow of the song into an object with enchamts, not only that but you're applying part of the song when putting it into an enchant (i believe) so it wouldnt make sense if you could control the song by just putting an enchant into smth dimentional travel doesnt work on a whole another universe, hell rogue and deepwoken are on 2 separates (maybe) multiverses, they dont coexist i just believe the wishes from yunshul are limited, its just an avatar anyway wouldnt make sense if they had full control over the cosmological body you can breath fire, but whats the point of making fire palm v2 anyway, it would be an issue for the game not the lore ironsing being the best attunement is heavily debatable lmfao, but regardless your character is far above most npcs in the game in terms of power ofc you can weaponize it, don't know much about ironsing lore but maybe it was just primarely used for contruction people abused the song far far worse than we're seeing rn, people discovered the song iirc and to not get political as a communist (im not a communist) you need to just use and adapt to the current system lmfao its just the way it is your soul is the one that sinks into the depths, when you die there your soul turns into millions of millions fractions, the tree in the fraction of self represents life and the determination of not wanting to die, of your soul not wanting to vanish, you dont "go deeper into the depths" and the devs do care about whats added into the game, they try to add more content working AROUND the lore if possible, thats just completely false lmfao unless its completely lore breaking (contractor+gran suda) then idk what you're complaining about
me when I go to use my violin in layer 5 and some mf with a trumpet fucking obliterates me because it can make 2 n a half more noises then my instrument
most of the lore is just discord messages from devs.... also they added a year system only to literally NEVER use it. what is the point of the year system???? the npcs just stand there for like 200 years and the cities dont progress or anything and its not like there are cool global events. USELESS feature that kills the lore
isnt lose your mind a strength + fortitude? there's only one pure willpower talent that buffs you when you're insane and it only gives PEN, most of them just help you survive in the depths and saves other, I mean there's literally a talent called SAVIOR
that's haki, wait a sec, we got ardour, we got that one murmur from layer 2, which means we got armament haki and observation haki, it all makes sense, next murmur is conqueror's haki confirmed ????!!!?!??!
The vocal cords part is kind of funny if you link it to charisma overall, since most if not all talents/mantras that you actively use from charisma are related to talking, like golden tongue, vow of mastery, sing/taunt, so technically you're kinda right there, idk why we can't breathe fire tho, when we get kasparan fire breathing flame + charisma mantra frfr, cooler fire palm
A second theory i have is that for what ever reson, controling liquids with the song could be really hard for some reson, which is why chaser needs so mutch blood around him in order to use it, as well as becoming weak unstable when those jars are broken, keep in mind blood is only a semi-solid, chaser also decides to stay in later 2 where the song is mutch more prevelent even though it dangerus as hell
agamatsu said water cant be an attunment because it would be just to easy for them to push the tides think about it they can just gather a bunch of water attunment users and protect everything
4:31 Its because the first prophet is a deepwoken or aka a Demi god who has the power of a drowned god of shadow or smth like that and he was alive for over one thousand years, I am pretty sure someone like that who transcends logic of the average player can cause a drowning of a whole island
The thing about Ironsing is lore-wise, there has to be metal around the Ironsing user for them to be able to use any mantras. No metal = no mantras. They changed that for gameplay purposes though when they released the attunement, so the devs are willing to bend the lore a little to help the game
a little correction, its not that water bending doesnt exist, its just that (of possible) doing so is counter productive to what 90% of the population wants and so would be a pretty underground thing that could get you killed for knowing, on that matter a bunch of people using people using a water attument could possibly be what its refuring to when the lore talks about when the lore talks about the flood being caused by the over use of the song and or fully controled and only taught by people deep in the ministry, although i do agree that people should stop making such a fuss about shit like instraments being in the game
People who say “ohhh instruments would let you call six notes of the song” fundamentally miss-understand how the song in deepwokens world as a system(which is incredibly washy with how it was written admittedly). Sure if a drowned gods were to start a band they’d be able to use that many notes of the song (they literally control it as their birthright) but if you were a normal goon trying to use a guitar this flat out just wouldn’t happen, the bell is literally your soul’s resonance with the song taking physical form as a bell hence letting you play a single note of the song. Picking up an average run of the mill instrument is not gonna let you channel several notes if the song at once, that’s dumb. You will not be able to play six notes of the song no matter the tool you use if your soul isn’t that goated with the sauce the argument that a guitar just LETS someone call forth massive meteor is crazy, etris would just send one guy with a guitar into central luminant and hit the second tower
ok lore but why can we shift dimensions and go 30 players into the same luminant on wraps and fight each other till death with the most exclusive weapons dropped everywhere and with shrines that give you mantras and talents 🙏
2:35 in real life, there is dry ice made of carbon dioxide, so frostdraw is frozen galebreath (then i feel like frostdraw should be a path for gale in that case)
1. To be fair, that's the equivalent of a nerf gun. You're not using magical song instruments, you're just using some handmade instruments put together. 1.5 BRO, you can't just enchant an instrument and cause it to be an instrument of the song. If laplace could make basic drums into song imbued drums, hive would literally STOMP over the world of deepwoken. Enchants aren't pure song bro. 2. You can't ask Yun Shul to wake up goofball, you NEVER talk to Yun Shul, to talk to a shrine that functions as a telephone between his power and you, the Yun Shul shrine doesn't grant ANYTHING, but that logic we can ask him to make us into god. 3. Frostdraw isn't frozen water, it's temperature decreasing, there is ice that exists that isn't water aswell, one example is dry ice. 1.1 Noise doesn't immediatly mean it's magical song, the deepwoken magic song isn't just noise. 4. This is the part of deepwoken where the devs DID bend the lore for gameplay purposes, ironsing users actually need metals to use their magic, but for gameplay reasons we just summon metal instead of needing to carry it. 5. Brother there's no mystery to the game if we have all the answers, we don't know how the Ministry sinks islands. 6. Lorewise the depths is meant to be scary, getting sent down to depths is meant to be alot scarier and not just a cheat code, nobody is meant to have the knowledge of like 600 other past dudes. Every single character we make we're meant to have the knowledge of a new player. One thing I can agree with you is that deepwoken doesn't have a consistent source where the lore actually comes from, 99% of the time Arch Mage is gonna be right since he has a lore document, but there's no good consistent source for normal players.
4:15 Celtor was greedy and corrupt, but that's not the reason it sunk. They were just genuinely unlucky to have been a target of the Ministry. Yun'Shul themselves (he's an amalgamation of souls) confirms that "godseekers" sunk Celtor. 2. The Drowned Gods didn't give them the song, people discovered it on their own. It's just that it was used too much, which led to the Drowned Gods stirring in their sleep. 3. The Ministry brought about the Celtorian Horror, which is apparently a giant sea monster that was seen by some officials before they fled. As to how the Ministry did it, I'm not even sure, but they do have a Deepwoken leading the entire Ministry. It's even funnier because Yun'Shul called Celtor a "paltry offering" but more than our kind usually amounts to.
@@historicflame972 but what was first? The game or the lore. What is the limit of souls-likes? Are they limited by the lore, or lore expands with the game? Ontop of that it's not viable to compare a game which is likely has to run for 3+ years on platform where changes needed to be made constantly against a final product that can get a dlc or two after few years
Idk why people think that the song and humans making music are the same thing, the song has a god that is in control of the power while music is just human instruments, and i don't even know of the gods used to call it the song or if humans just titled it that cuz it sounds like music. 1:54 you can use water magic the only requirement is for you to abandon your humanity and become a god
according to agamatsu frostdraw uses dry ice also ken carson is canonically the final boss of layer 9 we just have to wait until the vamps take over the world and arch mage is forced to add him
If i'm not mistaken about how the layers and dying works, then it kinda functions similar to a bunch of cheese graters stacked on top of each other. You start descending so quickly that your soul gets shredded into its most basic featureless form and you die.
honestly everything is spot on except for the tide bending and frost draw. frost draw just is stated to conjure ice or just create ice by freezing stuff, however it does not state what kind of ice it creates. meaning that it could just be referring to frostdraw being able to freeze the air around it to conjure structures of ice. basically, im just saying that frost draw ice dosent just have to be frozen water it could be something like dry ice
people be like "oh this cant be an attunement cause of the lore" like okay np just let the game be at a lower playercount because yall mfs dont wanna ruin a damn storyline
2:10 Reaconteur, this is kinda dumb obviously you can control the tides its just really hard, pretty sure Haske Vantage (a lore character in deepwoken) could control the tides and was able to sink entire islands, nobody can do it because its the level 100 boss of attunements and is thus insanely difficult to control and master
i just assumed instruments that played more than one note did nothing because its less a physical note having power more your character resonating with a part of the song and the bell just activates/focuses the resonation so any other note wouldnt do anything? like a tuning fork
6:30 plasma and light are not the same things bruh. The light radiated from plasma is a result of the sheer heat. The plasma itself is a formless mosh of electrons and nuclei. Therefore dawnwalker can't be plasma, especially since dawn walker mantras don't just melt everything in the area the moment they're used, they don't even have anything to do with fire.
@@Reaconteur No I definitely agree that a lot of the lore doesn't really make sense. You can use some mental gymnastics to self validate a fair bit of it, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of the game is just dumb. Personally I have always thought to myself as to why there are so many guards and almost no civilians at any of the major settlements.
I mean waterbending COULD exist since the tides are somewhat "alive" meaning that you couldnt just control the tides, you could control and use the water but not make the tides just die or disappear in any manner i guess
When you die your last time it says that you get pulled through all the layers so fast that your soul fragments and is destroyed leaving your mind in well, "Fragments of Self"
the last time i dm'd arch_mage was back during the last year of TTV. i asked if he needed anyone to help program, but he actually said he needed someone to make music. i think i wrote that i'd think about it, but never responded because i actually never learned how to make music.
If water was an attument would ppl just be able to get like millios of ppl with it to end the tides like water attument would be stupid and the lore is already mid that would just make it bad 2:15
I know this is a silly video, but it’s really a shame how dysfunctional the lore is because of how immersive the game is. It feels like the worldbuilding is a major part of the game, and then 80% of the lore is exclusively found in random discord messages archmage sends.
2:38 ur freezing the water in the air around you matter of a fact every element besides shadow is just gathering stuff around you and using them as a mantra
My theory with the song is that its a cosmic force of some kind that is within deepwokens universe and allows certain people in deepwokens universe to use magic or attunments, and mantras are mantras when it comes to music, to make it simpler in a tier list kinda way, mantras are sounds, bells or resonances are singular notes of the song, if you are much more powerful with using the song you can play multiple notes. btw instruments of the song would be able to play multiple notes which would be better than bells, if you ate a piece of a drowned god and you are a deepwoken another theory is that you can a measure of the song which is like a section of a song in music. So to conclude my theory, the universe of deepwoken is a song itself and everybody who has attunements and bells when they use them are playing notes and stuff but the music sheet is like 1000 pages long or more so thats why it never ends. also the only time the world ends is when all of the drowned gods awake not just one or more it has to be all for the world to end. One last thing is that drowned gods have a lot of song related power and in the real world would be composers in a way or professional music players and thats why whenever you are near one the amount of song power they radiate could make your head pop.
Pretty sure if I recall correctly the water attunement was stolen by Haske (a Primal Vesperian who is incapable of wiping, instead being sent to a prison), hence it not being able to be used by anyone but him.
Oh yeah let's not forget they haven't actually added the most important lore npcs/characters since the faction with the most connections towards the entire lore of the game and the reason everything is going down in the first place barely has any lore. I'm talking about the voidwalker race (Yes it's actually a race they are called voidspawns.) The knives of eylis, and the ministry. Also last but not least it isn't really mentioned but felinors are naturally intelligently superior than every other race to the point they were the ones who made most of the weapons, equipment, hell even attunements you find and use in game and the whole reason every race canonically hates felinors (Yes they actually do canonically hate felinors) is because one family called the Calicos aka the black cat variant calicos were the cause of the tides or something, let's not forget two calico members Aelita Calico (Shown in game at the top of ministrya as a phantom illusion) and her brother are voidwalkers with her brother being able to manipulate time. Yeah deepwoken lore is pretty all over the place, I mean with all the time manipulating bs with amoorus pleetsky being a normal mortal then becoming a drowned god, then appearently spreading a religion to chaser killing off everyone in his squad because a voice from a prophet in the ministry told him to. Yeah I don't really know man.
iirc the reason water magic isn't possible is because its the strongest attunement in the lore, and only extremely powerful beings have the ability to use it. We play as mortal beings that arent strong enough to manipulate it, and even if you did learn it a requirement of it is to be completely insane and lose your humanity. As for the ice attunement argument, yeah thats fair.
not really sure why u said 'so they cant control water because water is evil' even knowing that if they could youd probably also say 'why is anyone worried about drowning when you can just bend the water' which is word for word what was said to agamatsu on stream by a dev so thats the only silly thing said here like even at that point if it WAS because 'water evil' then thast that. thats the plot. water evil, thats literally been the entire plot so far like atp u just want ur own plot and not the games
@@Reaconteur we only know that water is commonly associated with drowning things as a sacrifice to yun shul, you can just guess that because yun shul is the most present drowned god and his communication is mainly through the depths he just naturally has a control over the water, like ethiron naturally acts as the force behind the hurricane and wind of layer 2 despite not being awake (edit) could honestly make a bet that since depths was described as an organism processing people and things in it that yun shul essentially embodies the waters and is the thing that processes people going through it and dying etc.
@@remmyyy8138the reason for water not existing was to justify why they had all the base elements as attunements except for water which they probably later on realised was a bad idea to prioritise lore over gameplay
i briefly talked with arch about water magic, and brought up a (still valid) point about how we have not only an attunement but also an oath directly linked to air/wind/gales, yet L2's whole killing wind gimmick and Ethiron still exist, so why can't we control water? L3 is fire/lava and Korilfiend is literally the lava serpent nut we have thos epowers and thats not worldbreaking He kind just said "the ocean is the closest thing to killing mankind so its uncontrollable" I really can't lie here I think he made that up on the spot
also another thing that doesn't make sense, silenthearts being able to drown. i'm a silentheart main right and yes i still drown but people started drowning because they abused the song, while our motto is literally to get revenge on those who overused the song and made the tides happen, we refuse to make any use of the song so why do we still drown??? i'm not complaining i mean i get to not instantly die but it just doesn't make sense
I know this video isn't made to be taken at all seriously but god I'm such a hopeless Deepwoken freak that I've gotta throw in my two cents. Actually it'll probably be closer to two dollars by the time I'm done. 0:29 Bells don't play one note of the song, but rather brings out the passage of the song that represents you and your existence. It's been stated that a resonance can manifest as any instrument, bells are just much easier to design and have appear on a player character without taking up much space- from a game design perspective at least. Though, this is more of a nitpick on my end than anything tbh. The instruments thing has been brought up in here already so I won't touch on it. 1:14 Rogue and Deepwoken exist in different multiverses, and they are entirely separate pieces of fiction. I think the main reason behind not adding Scrooms is that the Devs think that straight up having a Scroom race in game would tie the game back to Rogue Lineage and it's own lore which they want Deepwoken to be completely separate from. Having a funny costume is more like an Easter egg than anything and doesn't hold much lore significance. 1:42 If Yun'Shul were to wake up, or any other drowned god, humans wouldn't just die, but all of reality would straight up stop existing. Aside from that, though, we really don't have much lore on the wishes, but there's definitely a limit on what you can do with them. If wishes just let you do whatever, we could ask for any resonance when rerolling or any boon. If wishes really let you do anything somebody would've gone down there and wished to be all powerful by now. Even so, that isn't really a very solid defense, but I believe the main fault of the lore here is that we don't know enough about limits wishes themselves. 2:31 Frostdraw is controlling cold, not ice. You're freezing the water in the air, not creating water or ice with ether. 2:56 Mankind definitely did not immediately discover the song. They had existed for a long, long time before then. This is stated in two different lore books. Mankind was already a flourishing civilization and they began to discover strange creatures and relics washed up on various shores throughout the world. These relics belonged to some much old civilization, and it is through these that mankind discovered the song and attunements. 3:48 The tides weren't sent as a punishment for mankind, they are a symptom of the drowned gods beginning to wake from their slumber. Afaik there is no evil force controlling the tides and they themselves are not evil. The gods started sniffing humanity's misuse of the song and as a result have begun to wake up, not out of malice or spite but because humanity is doing the equivalent of poking them and drawing on their face like you'd do to your homie who passed out at a sleepover. This however, as you brought up, raises a different issue, as it's never really explained what it means to "misuse" the song. From what I remember, attunements and corrupt resonances are considered misuse but I have no clue why. I think what we can most importantly draw from all of this is that the drowned gods were the real communists all along. 4:18 The shrine of Yun'Shul speaks on the drowning of Celtor during the Contractor questline. The shrine likens it to an offering, meaning that the ministry probably did not sink Celtor with their own power. There's also the Celtorian horror, some great beast which was apparently the main cause of the drowning. It can be assumed that the ministry managed to direct or guide the horror to Celtor, rather than control it themselves. Again though, just an assumption. 5:19 The song is still misused in the modern day, however Humanity has dwindled so much that it pretty much does nothing compared to what was going on during the Canticlysm. 6:45 MAN The first Dawnwalker user in game was literally a dev who's lore character was a Hivelord. It was his devspec for awhile. Unless that was actually Lifeweave and the two both have similar moves/vfx.Though I think the idea of the hive mechs having plasma canons is pretty stupid, and I wouldn't consider Dawnwalker 'plasma control.' Alright there's my lame lore rant. Regardless of all the shit I just spewed, fire video.
The common misconceptions of the Song is its Literally a Song but nope it's just Magic thats Called the Song notes don't actually have power you have to imbue them with Magic first (The song) for them to actually do something like how you can get bells. Song = Magic Attunement = Element's Deepwoken lore books explain alot about the drowning and honestly some of the books are pretty cool
on the topic of guitars (and lore in general) how metallica appear in deepwoken still alive and well, and how did they not destroy everything playing their songs.
Just seeing this, I feel like the argument that "adding instruments is against the lore" is STUPID. Not because the meaning behind it is dumb, but because its just looking negatively on it. Imagine if (now that we have instruments) we MAY in the future see an oath of some sort that is related to music? the fact that magic is channeled THROUGH the song doesn't mean that the opposite is true. I think it makes more sense to say that just like you can channel your energy through your weapon (mantras or some mechanics like how your weapon glows on gale lunge), if you were to channel your energy through an INSTRUMENT, which is more COMPATABLE WITH THE SONG, you'll be able to produce stronger, more powerful sounds. I do agree that deepwoken lore has some interesting basis but lack of organization. and in the end of the day, I think what's important is that lore isn't being spoon fed to us and that we actually have to go and gather the pieces for the entire puzzle. Though, I do wish that more basic concepts in lore were more expanded upon.
Etris is behind the times due to EVERYBODY inside of the kingdom of Etris being mentally limited and kinda mind controlled by the lord regent who is trying to force a losing state to give any kind of reason to cause a drowning.
0:30 Bells are the physical representation of the song, instruments are just the humanoids poor mimicking of if. I dunno these lore freaks but their understanding was wrong 1:50 This is the first time I have heard of this but to my knoledge the depths (where yun'shul is) is separate from the overworld so if he where to wake up it would probly only kill people in the first layer of the depths also if he is snoozing of choice and you wished him to wake up he just wouldn't or if he was sealed he would of already gotten out if he could 2:10 no humanoid (the player characters) are capable of water magic so if something could use it it would not be playable. 2:20 water represents the depths which is basically death so because people don't want to die they thus don't want to be consumed by the tides 2:30 I am under the impression that Frostdraw manipulates the tempeture to freeze the air and is not the manipulation of water. I might be wrong on this but I think all the Frostdraw mantras freeze then move and is very ridgid and not fluid like shadow cast or smt 2:48 ice is less dense then water which is why it floats 3:20 pretty cool way to interpret the song saying that talking is magic but your vocal cords are not song incarnate like bells so the notes it makes is not magic 4:20 the ministry was not responsible for a great drowing but their goal is to cause one, how they are going to do that is unknown 5:20 their are not enough people using the song to overuse it, the overuse only came when pretty much everyone in the world was using the song and their was a lot more people than their are now 6:30 could be thundercall and lightning is laterally plasma
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About the water attunement, i belive the reasoning in the lore for it not being there is because some powerful dude had a broken bell and removed it from the song or something like that
I confirm, I was the ocean
First reason: instruments. You dumb fr, these are simple instruments, not songchanted and you can't chant them, cause you are weakling and not a God.
Second about shroom race. You can go just delete yourself for that, go play rogue if you want that poop in dw.
About yunshul wish was actually funny, you can't wish that, cause not every wish can be done, he has limits too.
About water is not playable because it is powerful enough to create new tides and sink dw world.
Also your knowledge about sinking of celtor city and tides amusingly close to zero.
You are the worst ngl.
and the ministry are just edgy marxists
also did you fight THE JOSEPH TALO
frostdraw is frozen ether
the song is NOT present in everyone (hence lightkeepers)
the instruments thing is a somewhat valid argument, but i have 2 different explanations
1. in one of the lore books, a bard accidentally sets their violin on fire at the start of the canticlysm by using the song. if we focus on not channeling any actual ether into it, we can play instruments normally
2. what naktigonis says goes (he literally creates the song)
about ironsing. think about how convoluted some of the mantras for ironsing are, and you'll start to realize why it's more industrial
you're completely, 100% missing the actual lore of celtor's drowning. sure, they were a greedy city, but it was the ministry intentionally overusing the song to sacrifice the island to yun'shul, they just chose that island because it was big and it was corrupt.
it isn't the tides that make decisions, it's the drowned gods like yun'shul that control the tides. it wasn't a big wave that took celtor, it was the celtorian horror, a gigantic sea monster that swallowed the island and dragged it to the first layer
yes, you can absolutely overuse the song, that's why we can only use small mantras of it instead of just chanting it for a minute straight and causing huge destruction with the song
the mecha sharkos are ignition union, not hive
the reason the hive is more advanced is because they've been focusing on ways to rise above the tides, not simply survive among them
plasma is the fusion of fire and lightning, like arcwarder
dawnwalker is an imitation of lightkeep specialized for combat, not plasma
thanks for reading my rant about everything you got wrong i guess
No likes yet? The hell
I would nerd emoji you, but you're absolutely correct on all your points.
you literally arent wrong but im also a hater so frick you mannn
Frostdraw is NOT frozen ether. hence why freezing exist, Why would speifically frostdraw be different from every other attunement, Galebreath controls wind, flamecharm fire, thundercall lightning, shadowcast, SHADOWS. and frostdraw.. Frozen ether? I guess flamecharm Is burning either, and galebreath is, gale.. ether..? Yeah that shit doesn't make sense.
Even If the song Isn't present In everyone, It's present In ALMOST Everyone, to the point where it'd be like a 0.1% Chance to NOT have the song inside you
1. What If the bard just, doesn't play it normally? Boom. It becomes a fucking NUKE again. 2. That would be valid if Ironsing STILL. wasn't the strongest pvp attunement In the game by FAR, Other then that It's all valid.
If yunshul controls the tides why cant we just use WATER that isn't controlled by Yunshul? Or Is every single piece of water connected to yunshul. +, Why can we just normally swim In water? that has never made sense to me either. also, yes you can (In game) chant mantras for a minute straight. not create huge destruction with it but you sure can chant it for a bit. + I find it hard to believe The strongest mages In deepwoken struggle to make long chantings with the song, hence why the whole creation of the song is fucking stupid.
Sharko situation IS correct.
1. every attunement is conjured from ether. do you think they make flames by just... thinking warm thoughts? they make tornadoes appear by breathing? they make lightning strikes at will by rubbing two balloons together? the storm blades description literally says "Conjure weapons of thunder with your ether."
2. you're literally proving my point by acknowledging that there are people without the song in them. seriously, what were you thinking?
3. instruments are stated NOWHERE to be nukes. the one instance we have of a normal instrument causing a magic effect is a single violin catching on fire. that's it. the reason bells are powerful is because it's your soul perfectly aligning with the song itself.
4. the ironsing complaint isn't even about lore, it's about game balance. getting several metal rods stuck in you and pulled out over and over will definitely kill you
5. all water is controlled by yun'shul. there is no 'water that isn't controlled by the drowned god that controls water.' also, there's a big difference between swimming in water and trying to waterbend.
6. no, you can't. you can say individual mantras, but those take up to ~7 seconds at max to cast (flame ballista), not a whole minute for a single spell.
7. they don't struggle with it, everyone just knows that if they overuse the song, the gods will punish them
Me trying to play gideshu march with violin and then I insta kill my guildmates in the radius of 50 meters (rookie mistake)
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@@Reaconteur (Gideshu march is played from percussion i believe)
Me after playing Runaway by Kanye west and accidentally ruining modern civilization in the process
Just so you know, the instruments being nukes has been debunked for a year, it was basically a piece of fanfiction created by fan artists that people ran with
guh...
@@Reaconteur A lot of stuff people say is "important part of the lore" or "makes no sense" is either fan fiction or head canon
Funny video take my engagment
@@historicflame972 yea like I agree some of deepwoken lore makes no sense but most of it is misconceptions, misinterpretations, or just false info that people thought was true and spread around as if it was
@@ClassyYellow Fr ong
Yeah I talked with naktigonis about this very thing yesterday, it's a missconception
Lord regent's face when i bring a harp to his palace (Playing of this instrument will cause a great unclear winter that will last 1200 years)
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Ok let create a band and raid ministria bc they are black and use black magic
ahahahaahahahahahah
One solution to most of your problems with the song. The song has to be played/channeled through a perfect pitch or frequency to get its power. Too much discordance would ruin the song’s effects heavily.
guh...
that makes absolutely no sense if im being honest.
@@ARandomEliatropeyour just dumb then
@@ARandomEliatrope It doesn't have to make sense cuz this is a game for kids
???@@MichaGaming1
6:00 I said plasma for ease of understanding, it's just an application of lifeweave (If the hive teleportation devices powered by lifeweave wasn't enough of a hint that its more than just nature shit)
makes sense thanks for clarifying big guy
Actual yayafino real
aint no way sharkos got lifeweave before us sotp doin us dirty
PLEASE NERF PEN
swear arch said plasma is flame and thunder combined
Frostdraw lore is just waiting for more navae lore.
Oh and mantras are literally mantras.
You COULD breathe fire, you just don't.
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yeah breathing fire would be kinda stupid considering it would probably burn you from the inside since even flamecharmers don't have any resistance to fire
@@PowerAids get armor inside your throat
skibidi toilet mantra should exist in deepwoken lore
@@scythethep good idea, i shall swallow an ignition deep delver
bruh duke has been to the depths so many times hes probs fighting a corrupted lifeweave kaido and ethiron in the trial each time he goes up and hes still kicking
gyat
trial voices: they farming bell?
duke: yeah.
trial voices: alright go ahead.
The voices probably hold him with **VERY** high regard, they probably just let him go for free (earned through beating some of, if not their hardest trials)
@@Sky_darts nah my boy just rizzed em up
@@siduxjxhdgzhdjxhxuuxxyhgg1079400 charisma
7:04 actually you do not just lose control of your character.
Dying inside a layer of the depths makes your soul travel between layers so fast that it shatters itself and you basically stop existing ☝️🤓
nerd
And did you get your lore from the game or from an arch mage message in the discord
where tf is this mentioned in the lore 😭
Some made in abyss type shi
@@rice397 deepwoken is inspired by made in abyss,i wont forget that
Developers explaining how waterbending can't be a thing because it could stop waves.
also developers :
- no changes to map and overall so on going story ( regent has been sitting on his throne for like a century talking about " etris drowing " )
been 2 years and aint no drowning to be seen
@@Reaconteur200 deepwoken years
@@orangut4ng The year timer straight up isn't part of the lore, it's still year 1291 in the universe
Remember when there was the whole hive is drowning rumor going around back in verse 1?
that was debunked by stinky mage@@mao38
The song isn’t actual music. It’s just a magic system called the song. A lot of lore freaks just don’t know the lore.
skull
Why call it the song then😂😂 and why use so many music related terms in the lore? Resonance, dissonance, VERSE like a verse of a SONG make it make sense bro🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
@@gxf4ever805because it could possibly be a way to show how the magic works for example it could possibly flow like music or anything like that the name “Song” could just be a metaphor
music references cus they called it song @@gxf4ever805
@@gxf4ever805We use water terms as financial terms all the time, so I don't see why we couldn't borrow terms from music for the magic system.
As some people said, dying in the depths pulls you down through all the layers so fast that your soul shatters. Makes sense since Deepwoken purgatory is named Fragments of Self
Yes, which is why its called "fragments of self" You literally lose yourself to the depths
@@aahhhhhhhhhhhhhpretty sure he just said that
@@k_tnsh1 pretty sure he just edited it or sum
@@aahhhhhhhhhhhhh if thats the case then my bad
2:17 bro they did NOT say this about water, its because people can easily just waterbend all the water away from sinking islands and it wouldnt be fair to the drowned gods man
bro what
@@Reaconteur i think i heard it from some video, i think it was agamatsu saying this in what attunements can be in the game and he said something like a bunch of water users can just stop the drowning of the world
7:10 I’m pretty sure the lore behind drowning and dying is that when dying in the depths your soul is dragged through all of the layers so fast it shatters your soul or smth like that, which is why your character is “sunk” in the death animation
Shit's basically the bible, nothing's 100% confirmed and everything changes depending on whoever you're talking to
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nuh uh
i ain't even gonna discuss with you about that, you know it's true@@maanakete
frostdraw is dry ice
plasma came from both lightning and fire
the song doesnt work as simply as enchanting something and making it one with the song, its not just sound, your soul resonates with the song which pshycally manifest into an instrument (a bell) you cannot just force the flow of the song into an object with enchamts, not only that but you're applying part of the song when putting it into an enchant (i believe) so it wouldnt make sense if you could control the song by just putting an enchant into smth
dimentional travel doesnt work on a whole another universe, hell rogue and deepwoken are on 2 separates (maybe) multiverses, they dont coexist
i just believe the wishes from yunshul are limited, its just an avatar anyway wouldnt make sense if they had full control over the cosmological body
you can breath fire, but whats the point of making fire palm v2 anyway, it would be an issue for the game not the lore
ironsing being the best attunement is heavily debatable lmfao, but regardless your character is far above most npcs in the game in terms of power ofc you can weaponize it, don't know much about ironsing lore but maybe it was just primarely used for contruction
people abused the song far far worse than we're seeing rn, people discovered the song iirc and to not get political as a communist (im not a communist) you need to just use and adapt to the current system lmfao its just the way it is
your soul is the one that sinks into the depths, when you die there your soul turns into millions of millions fractions, the tree in the fraction of self represents life and the determination of not wanting to die, of your soul not wanting to vanish, you dont "go deeper into the depths"
and the devs do care about whats added into the game, they try to add more content working AROUND the lore if possible, thats just completely false lmfao
unless its completely lore breaking (contractor+gran suda) then idk what you're complaining about
Thanks
yayafino left a comment saying plasma is just lifeweave
Archmage said arcsuit used plasma, so it isn't lifeweave
you can't breathe fire, because flamecharmers don't have any resistance to fire, therefore it will burn your throat your mouth and your lungs
@@Y_Cr3470rhe did but fino said its lifeweave😂
Can't wait Arch to say "oh yeah ______ is stronger then _____"
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me when I go to use my violin in layer 5 and some mf with a trumpet fucking obliterates me because it can make 2 n a half more noises then my instrument
2:47 water expands when its frozen
also frostdraw is probably just reducing temperature & not just freezing water
then why cant they control water...?
@@Reaconteur cause they control temperature as in freezing (might be wrong)
@@Reaconteur pretty sure frostdraw is actually dry ice which in short. Isnt made of water like regular ice
@@Reaconteur You don't even really control ice that much, just create it
You can make water by reducing the temperature
most of the lore is just discord messages from devs.... also they added a year system only to literally NEVER use it. what is the point of the year system???? the npcs just stand there for like 200 years and the cities dont progress or anything and its not like there are cool global events. USELESS feature that kills the lore
skull
Imagine if willpower would allow you to use your will to fight or support team, rather going insane for a lot of dmg
would make more sense
isnt lose your mind a strength + fortitude? there's only one pure willpower talent that buffs you when you're insane and it only gives PEN, most of them just help you survive in the depths and saves other, I mean there's literally a talent called SAVIOR
that's haki, wait a sec, we got ardour, we got that one murmur from layer 2, which means we got armament haki and observation haki, it all makes sense, next murmur is conqueror's haki confirmed ????!!!?!??!
I want it to be pure willpower, like imagine conquers haki
Yes
me accidentally nuking the etrran luminant by playing the accordian (it is what it is)
me using the equivalent power of a bell by playing the triangle
The vocal cords part is kind of funny if you link it to charisma overall, since most if not all talents/mantras that you actively use from charisma are related to talking, like golden tongue, vow of mastery, sing/taunt, so technically you're kinda right there, idk why we can't breathe fire tho, when we get kasparan fire breathing flame + charisma mantra frfr, cooler fire palm
that would mean rizz stat is magic vocal chords
We CAN breathe fire, our player character chooses not to, because they are stupid
@@historicflame972 and also because that would likely have some negative effect on your lungs since they aren't built for that
@@PowerAids We have magic enhanced muscles that can break the concept of the air with a single punch, we'd be fine
you can breath fire after smoking 50 joints which are crafted by 2 fiber and any mushroom, plus fire palm and 75 flamecharm
i have waterdraw i just cant show it cause the mods are always watching
the opps
the lore already doesn't make sense because most of it is conjured by whatever arch mage yaps about in the moment 🤔
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A second theory i have is that for what ever reson, controling liquids with the song could be really hard for some reson, which is why chaser needs so mutch blood around him in order to use it, as well as becoming weak unstable when those jars are broken, keep in mind blood is only a semi-solid, chaser also decides to stay in later 2 where the song is mutch more prevelent even though it dangerus as hell
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True but blood Is a semi-solid which could be why it's so hard to control.
agamatsu said water cant be an attunment because it would be just to easy for them to push the tides think about it they can just gather a bunch of water attunment users and protect everything
@@Perfect_CeII yes because agamatsu is the end all be all on deepwoken lore
@@bbspoon7323 hes got a point... like if you got a city of water attunement users you could just lift up lost celtor out of the depths
“why is my fantasy game’s lore fantastical”
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2:39 frostdraw dosent use frozen water it most likely uses dry ice which is made of carbon dioxide
guh...
HOLY SHIT THE WATER IS COMMUNIST?!
yes
"you can't overuse the song"
Yeah bro tell that to the triple attunement arc builds
the thing is too most of the time they just fit around the lore, they simply just alter the lore slightly and it would fit in the game
the 56 lore retcons in question
4:31
Its because the first prophet is a deepwoken or aka a Demi god who has the power of a drowned god of shadow or smth like that and he was alive for over one thousand years, I am pretty sure someone like that who transcends logic of the average player can cause a drowning of a whole island
The thing about Ironsing is lore-wise, there has to be metal around the Ironsing user for them to be able to use any mantras. No metal = no mantras. They changed that for gameplay purposes though when they released the attunement, so the devs are willing to bend the lore a little to help the game
a little correction, its not that water bending doesnt exist, its just that (of possible) doing so is counter productive to what 90% of the population wants and so would be a pretty underground thing that could get you killed for knowing, on that matter a bunch of people using people using a water attument could possibly be what its refuring to when the lore talks about when the lore talks about the flood being caused by the over use of the song and or fully controled and only taught by people deep in the ministry, although i do agree that people should stop making such a fuss about shit like instraments being in the game
People who say “ohhh instruments would let you call six notes of the song” fundamentally miss-understand how the song in deepwokens world as a system(which is incredibly washy with how it was written admittedly). Sure if a drowned gods were to start a band they’d be able to use that many notes of the song (they literally control it as their birthright) but if you were a normal goon trying to use a guitar this flat out just wouldn’t happen, the bell is literally your soul’s resonance with the song taking physical form as a bell
hence letting you play a single note of the song. Picking up an average run of the mill instrument is not gonna let you channel several notes if the song at once, that’s dumb. You will not be able to play six notes of the song no matter the tool you use if your soul isn’t that goated with the sauce the argument that a guitar just LETS someone call forth massive meteor is crazy, etris would just send one guy with a guitar into central luminant and hit the second tower
ok lore but why can we shift dimensions and go 30 players into the same luminant on wraps and fight each other till death with the most exclusive weapons dropped everywhere and with shrines that give you mantras and talents 🙏
skull
i agree with all you said but what would water attunement do? piss over their screen?
yes
Sniper gaming
ppl not ready to hear the fact rogue lineage lore is way better 🤦♂🤦♂
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2:35 in real life, there is dry ice made of carbon dioxide, so frostdraw is frozen galebreath (then i feel like frostdraw should be a path for gale in that case)
2:30 as aga put it "It don't make any sense if they got waterbending cuz they would just waterbend the tides"
for what purpose
1. To be fair, that's the equivalent of a nerf gun. You're not using magical song instruments, you're just using some handmade instruments put together.
1.5 BRO, you can't just enchant an instrument and cause it to be an instrument of the song. If laplace could make basic drums into song imbued drums, hive would literally STOMP over the world of deepwoken. Enchants aren't pure song bro.
2. You can't ask Yun Shul to wake up goofball, you NEVER talk to Yun Shul, to talk to a shrine that functions as a telephone between his power and you, the Yun Shul shrine doesn't grant ANYTHING, but that logic we can ask him to make us into god.
3. Frostdraw isn't frozen water, it's temperature decreasing, there is ice that exists that isn't water aswell, one example is dry ice.
1.1 Noise doesn't immediatly mean it's magical song, the deepwoken magic song isn't just noise.
4. This is the part of deepwoken where the devs DID bend the lore for gameplay purposes, ironsing users actually need metals to use their magic, but for gameplay reasons we just summon metal instead of needing to carry it.
5. Brother there's no mystery to the game if we have all the answers, we don't know how the Ministry sinks islands.
6. Lorewise the depths is meant to be scary, getting sent down to depths is meant to be alot scarier and not just a cheat code, nobody is meant to have the knowledge of like 600 other past dudes. Every single character we make we're meant to have the knowledge of a new player.
One thing I can agree with you is that deepwoken doesn't have a consistent source where the lore actually comes from, 99% of the time Arch Mage is gonna be right since he has a lore document, but there's no good consistent source for normal players.
Big Hoss said he doesn't touch the deepwoken world because the burgers are fucking awful
makes sense
4:15 Celtor was greedy and corrupt, but that's not the reason it sunk. They were just genuinely unlucky to have been a target of the Ministry. Yun'Shul themselves (he's an amalgamation of souls) confirms that "godseekers" sunk Celtor.
2. The Drowned Gods didn't give them the song, people discovered it on their own. It's just that it was used too much, which led to the Drowned Gods stirring in their sleep.
3. The Ministry brought about the Celtorian Horror, which is apparently a giant sea monster that was seen by some officials before they fled. As to how the Ministry did it, I'm not even sure, but they do have a Deepwoken leading the entire Ministry. It's even funnier because Yun'Shul called Celtor a "paltry offering" but more than our kind usually amounts to.
communist water
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cant wait for the lore update in which reaconteur’s mic gets fixed
soon
it was an offering to the drowned gods it was a wish and an offering at the same time well as yun shul describes it atleast 4:30
smuf
if they wanna focus on lore that much make a book or a comic book you know something people cant play
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@@historicflame972 but what was first? The game or the lore. What is the limit of souls-likes? Are they limited by the lore, or lore expands with the game? Ontop of that it's not viable to compare a game which is likely has to run for 3+ years on platform where changes needed to be made constantly against a final product that can get a dlc or two after few years
@@historicflame972 yea bro but these are deepwoken devs not smart people
@@tele_epic Arch agrees
Idk why people think that the song and humans making music are the same thing, the song has a god that is in control of the power while music is just human instruments, and i don't even know of the gods used to call it the song or if humans just titled it that cuz it sounds like music. 1:54 you can use water magic the only requirement is for you to abandon your humanity and become a god
2:35 the ice from frostdraw is basically dry ice where the ice isnt frozen water its more like frozen air
according to agamatsu frostdraw uses dry ice
also ken carson is canonically the final boss of layer 9 we just have to wait until the vamps take over the world and arch mage is forced to add him
opium layer
If i'm not mistaken about how the layers and dying works, then it kinda functions similar to a bunch of cheese graters stacked on top of each other. You start descending so quickly that your soul gets shredded into its most basic featureless form and you die.
detonation guitar with max 6 songchant
ive always despised the hive and the ignition union, they just stray way too far away from deepwokens medieval feel which is just really off putting
yeah its weird
Deepwoken isn’t medieval
Its over for etris when i get my grand piano enchanted with the song...
I love deepwokens lore but I still believe that gameplay should come first even if contradicts lore
real
This is true, as long as the devs bend their lore that hasn’t been explicitly stated before, thr games continuity won’t break.
honestly everything is spot on except for the tide bending and frost draw. frost draw just is stated to conjure ice or just create ice by freezing stuff, however it does not state what kind of ice it creates. meaning that it could just be referring to frostdraw being able to freeze the air around it to conjure structures of ice. basically, im just saying that frost draw ice dosent just have to be frozen water it could be something like dry ice
mid game mid lore
cant you literally get a talent where it says you can freeze the moisture in the air to reduce thirst?
@@Reaconteurinsane comeback 💀
@@dukenintendoI don’t think controlling the limited moisture in the air equates to being able to control large bodies of water.
yeah thats fair@@christopheraboah4530
people be like "oh this cant be an attunement cause of the lore" like okay np just let the game be at a lower playercount because yall mfs dont wanna ruin a damn storyline
FR
a storyline they never expand on 😭
the first prophet made a deal with a drowned god so hes ridiculously strong, i wouldnt be surprised if he single handedly sunk celtor
so what did he just dig a big hole
im sure he either bargained with the drowned god to do it, or used the tides to sink the entire island @@Reaconteur
he also took the entire island, not just the city@@Reaconteur
2:10 Reaconteur, this is kinda dumb obviously you can control the tides its just really hard, pretty sure Haske Vantage (a lore character in deepwoken) could control the tides and was able to sink entire islands, nobody can do it because its the level 100 boss of attunements and is thus insanely difficult to control and master
i could do it
@@Reaconteur Thats because your gigantic ass already creates tides by going in the water unc
You know what's also not fitted for warfare? A pencil, yet Enter the "Baba-yaga"
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i just assumed instruments that played more than one note did nothing because its less a physical note having power more your character resonating with a part of the song and the bell just activates/focuses the resonation so any other note wouldnt do anything? like a tuning fork
6:30 plasma and light are not the same things bruh. The light radiated from plasma is a result of the sheer heat. The plasma itself is a formless mosh of electrons and nuclei. Therefore dawnwalker can't be plasma, especially since dawn walker mantras don't just melt everything in the area the moment they're used, they don't even have anything to do with fire.
bros forgetting that the trees in this game are fireproof and flames can’t be doused with water, more proof this game makes no sense
@@Reaconteur No I definitely agree that a lot of the lore doesn't really make sense. You can use some mental gymnastics to self validate a fair bit of it, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of the game is just dumb.
Personally I have always thought to myself as to why there are so many guards and almost no civilians at any of the major settlements.
I mean waterbending COULD exist since the tides are somewhat "alive" meaning that you couldnt just control the tides, you could control and use the water but not make the tides just die or disappear in any manner i guess
You know where you can't really die? Christianity
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I thought arcmage's lore character ripped the tide magic out of existence
might have been retconned idek
No, he ripped his friends a new on-
When you die your last time it says that you get pulled through all the layers so fast that your soul fragments and is destroyed leaving your mind in well, "Fragments of Self"
all of your complaints of the lore are easily explainable
you’re such a nerd
I mean making a weapon of mass destruction with a guitar would be really funny 💀
the last time i dm'd arch_mage was back during the last year of TTV. i asked if he needed anyone to help program, but he actually said he needed someone to make music. i think i wrote that i'd think about it, but never responded because i actually never learned how to make music.
shouldve taken his offer
@@Reaconteurmusic to me is like fighting 3 corrupted squibbos with 3,000 ping. i’m actually a writer.
@@jeffleng2733 then write some music 🤡
If water was an attument would ppl just be able to get like millios of ppl with it to end the tides like water attument would be stupid and the lore is already mid that would just make it bad 2:15
And the ice is dry ice
I know this is a silly video, but it’s really a shame how dysfunctional the lore is because of how immersive the game is. It feels like the worldbuilding is a major part of the game, and then 80% of the lore is exclusively found in random discord messages archmage sends.
Me pulling out a guitar and nuking lower erisia to sunken erisia because I got voidwalked (he made a rookie mistake)
real
2:38 ur freezing the water in the air around you
matter of a fact every element besides shadow is just gathering stuff around you and using them as a mantra
Deepwoken lore is fire but the devs do not GIVE TWO SHITS they only care when they don’t wanna work
My theory with the song is that its a cosmic force of some kind that is within deepwokens universe and allows certain people in deepwokens universe to use magic or attunments, and mantras are mantras when it comes to music, to make it simpler in a tier list kinda way, mantras are sounds, bells or resonances are singular notes of the song, if you are much more powerful with using the song you can play multiple notes. btw instruments of the song would be able to play multiple notes which would be better than bells, if you ate a piece of a drowned god and you are a deepwoken another theory is that you can a measure of the song which is like a section of a song in music. So to conclude my theory, the universe of deepwoken is a song itself and everybody who has attunements and bells when they use them are playing notes and stuff but the music sheet is like 1000 pages long or more so thats why it never ends. also the only time the world ends is when all of the drowned gods awake not just one or more it has to be all for the world to end. One last thing is that drowned gods have a lot of song related power and in the real world would be composers in a way or professional music players and thats why whenever you are near one the amount of song power they radiate could make your head pop.
good theory big man
bro for sure did not read what he said @@Reaconteur
Please, next time don't just throw your words in one big pile or smth. Can't really read your comment bruh.
2:32 cuz its dry ice, it’s carbon dioxide not water (I think)
All hail destroyman
the third
POV: No TierList ;-;
soon
devs say water is exclusive and unobtainable so they can avoid making a new attunement
Pretty sure if I recall correctly the water attunement was stolen by Haske (a Primal Vesperian who is incapable of wiping, instead being sent to a prison), hence it not being able to be used by anyone but him.
Oh yeah let's not forget they haven't actually added the most important lore npcs/characters since the faction with the most connections towards the entire lore of the game and the reason everything is going down in the first place barely has any lore. I'm talking about the voidwalker race (Yes it's actually a race they are called voidspawns.) The knives of eylis, and the ministry. Also last but not least it isn't really mentioned but felinors are naturally intelligently superior than every other race to the point they were the ones who made most of the weapons, equipment, hell even attunements you find and use in game and the whole reason every race canonically hates felinors (Yes they actually do canonically hate felinors) is because one family called the Calicos aka the black cat variant calicos were the cause of the tides or something, let's not forget two calico members Aelita Calico (Shown in game at the top of ministrya as a phantom illusion) and her brother are voidwalkers with her brother being able to manipulate time.
Yeah deepwoken lore is pretty all over the place, I mean with all the time manipulating bs with amoorus pleetsky being a normal mortal then becoming a drowned god, then appearently spreading a religion to chaser killing off everyone in his squad because a voice from a prophet in the ministry told him to. Yeah I don't really know man.
iirc the reason water magic isn't possible is because its the strongest attunement in the lore, and only extremely powerful beings have the ability to use it. We play as mortal beings that arent strong enough to manipulate it, and even if you did learn it a requirement of it is to be completely insane and lose your humanity. As for the ice attunement argument, yeah thats fair.
7:46 what, so you’re saying you don’t just wanna Item Asylum bobm someone that acccidentally hits you with an M1?
no
not really sure why u said 'so they cant control water because water is evil' even knowing that if they could youd probably also say 'why is anyone worried about drowning when you can just bend the water' which is word for word what was said to agamatsu on stream by a dev so thats the only silly thing said here
like even at that point if it WAS because 'water evil' then thast that. thats the plot. water evil, thats literally been the entire plot so far like atp u just want ur own plot and not the games
but why is water evil
gotta be all the salt
@@Reaconteur we only know that water is commonly associated with drowning things as a sacrifice to yun shul, you can just guess that because yun shul is the most present drowned god and his communication is mainly through the depths he just naturally has a control over the water, like ethiron naturally acts as the force behind the hurricane and wind of layer 2 despite not being awake
(edit) could honestly make a bet that since depths was described as an organism processing people and things in it that yun shul essentially embodies the waters and is the thing that processes people going through it and dying etc.
@@remmyyy8138the reason for water not existing was to justify why they had all the base elements as attunements except for water which they probably later on realised was a bad idea to prioritise lore over gameplay
0:40 rogue linage uber bard moment
i briefly talked with arch about water magic, and brought up a (still valid) point about how we have not only an attunement but also an oath directly linked to air/wind/gales, yet L2's whole killing wind gimmick and Ethiron still exist, so why can't we control water? L3 is fire/lava and Korilfiend is literally the lava serpent nut we have thos epowers and thats not worldbreaking
He kind just said "the ocean is the closest thing to killing mankind so its uncontrollable"
I really can't lie here I think he made that up on the spot
i mean yeah, the lore might be confusing, but it really makes you feel like the world doesn't need you to exist
also another thing that doesn't make sense, silenthearts being able to drown. i'm a silentheart main right and yes i still drown but people started drowning because they abused the song, while our motto is literally to get revenge on those who overused the song and made the tides happen, we refuse to make any use of the song so why do we still drown??? i'm not complaining i mean i get to not instantly die but it just doesn't make sense
2:35 pretty sure its dry ice (frozen air)
mid
Its accurate buuut there is 9 layer they just get longer and longer
they retconned the infinite layers
Elaborate, I am native french@@Reaconteur
I know this video isn't made to be taken at all seriously but god I'm such a hopeless Deepwoken freak that I've gotta throw in my two cents. Actually it'll probably be closer to two dollars by the time I'm done.
0:29 Bells don't play one note of the song, but rather brings out the passage of the song that represents you and your existence. It's been stated that a resonance can manifest as any instrument, bells are just much easier to design and have appear on a player character without taking up much space- from a game design perspective at least. Though, this is more of a nitpick on my end than anything tbh.
The instruments thing has been brought up in here already so I won't touch on it.
1:14 Rogue and Deepwoken exist in different multiverses, and they are entirely separate pieces of fiction. I think the main reason behind not adding Scrooms is that the Devs think that straight up having a Scroom race in game would tie the game back to Rogue Lineage and it's own lore which they want Deepwoken to be completely separate from. Having a funny costume is more like an Easter egg than anything and doesn't hold much lore significance.
1:42 If Yun'Shul were to wake up, or any other drowned god, humans wouldn't just die, but all of reality would straight up stop existing. Aside from that, though, we really don't have much lore on the wishes, but there's definitely a limit on what you can do with them. If wishes just let you do whatever, we could ask for any resonance when rerolling or any boon. If wishes really let you do anything somebody would've gone down there and wished to be all powerful by now. Even so, that isn't really a very solid defense, but I believe the main fault of the lore here is that we don't know enough about limits wishes themselves.
2:31 Frostdraw is controlling cold, not ice. You're freezing the water in the air, not creating water or ice with ether.
2:56 Mankind definitely did not immediately discover the song. They had existed for a long, long time before then. This is stated in two different lore books. Mankind was already a flourishing civilization and they began to discover strange creatures and relics washed up on various shores throughout the world. These relics belonged to some much old civilization, and it is through these that mankind discovered the song and attunements.
3:48 The tides weren't sent as a punishment for mankind, they are a symptom of the drowned gods beginning to wake from their slumber. Afaik there is no evil force controlling the tides and they themselves are not evil. The gods started sniffing humanity's misuse of the song and as a result have begun to wake up, not out of malice or spite but because humanity is doing the equivalent of poking them and drawing on their face like you'd do to your homie who passed out at a sleepover. This however, as you brought up, raises a different issue, as it's never really explained what it means to "misuse" the song. From what I remember, attunements and corrupt resonances are considered misuse but I have no clue why. I think what we can most importantly draw from all of this is that the drowned gods were the real communists all along.
4:18 The shrine of Yun'Shul speaks on the drowning of Celtor during the Contractor questline. The shrine likens it to an offering, meaning that the ministry probably did not sink Celtor with their own power. There's also the Celtorian horror, some great beast which was apparently the main cause of the drowning. It can be assumed that the ministry managed to direct or guide the horror to Celtor, rather than control it themselves. Again though, just an assumption.
5:19 The song is still misused in the modern day, however Humanity has dwindled so much that it pretty much does nothing compared to what was going on during the Canticlysm.
6:45 MAN The first Dawnwalker user in game was literally a dev who's lore character was a Hivelord. It was his devspec for awhile. Unless that was actually Lifeweave and the two both have similar moves/vfx.Though I think the idea of the hive mechs having plasma canons is pretty stupid, and I wouldn't consider Dawnwalker 'plasma control.'
Alright there's my lame lore rant. Regardless of all the shit I just spewed, fire video.
i’m not reading allat sorry
@@Reaconteur Dont worry man I wrote it more for myself tbh
this was actually a really intresting read about the lore of the game thanks
I feel like deepwoken lore has been retconned so many times you'd think that Nasu wrote it
The common misconceptions of the Song is its Literally a Song but nope it's just Magic thats Called the Song notes don't actually have power you have to imbue them with Magic first (The song) for them to actually do something like how you can get bells. Song = Magic
Attunement = Element's
Deepwoken lore books explain alot about the drowning and honestly some of the books are pretty cool
I wish there was a cursed speech talents from charisma, not vow of mastery
real
on the topic of guitars (and lore in general) how metallica appear in deepwoken still alive and well, and how did they not destroy everything playing their songs.
Racoorter finally giving up on trying to pronounce his own nickname
yep
Just seeing this, I feel like the argument that "adding instruments is against the lore" is STUPID. Not because the meaning behind it is dumb, but because its just looking negatively on it. Imagine if (now that we have instruments) we MAY in the future see an oath of some sort that is related to music? the fact that magic is channeled THROUGH the song doesn't mean that the opposite is true. I think it makes more sense to say that just like you can channel your energy through your weapon (mantras or some mechanics like how your weapon glows on gale lunge), if you were to channel your energy through an INSTRUMENT, which is more COMPATABLE WITH THE SONG, you'll be able to produce stronger, more powerful sounds. I do agree that deepwoken lore has some interesting basis but lack of organization. and in the end of the day, I think what's important is that lore isn't being spoon fed to us and that we actually have to go and gather the pieces for the entire puzzle. Though, I do wish that more basic concepts in lore were more expanded upon.
Etris is behind the times due to EVERYBODY inside of the kingdom of Etris being mentally limited and kinda mind controlled by the lord regent who is trying to force a losing state to give any kind of reason to cause a drowning.
For the “what constitutes overuse now” we probably cant overuse because the gods already cannonically gutted our song
true
0:30 Bells are the physical representation of the song, instruments are just the humanoids poor mimicking of if. I dunno these lore freaks but their understanding was wrong
1:50 This is the first time I have heard of this but to my knoledge the depths (where yun'shul is) is separate from the overworld so if he where to wake up it would probly only kill people in the first layer of the depths also if he is snoozing of choice and you wished him to wake up he just wouldn't or if he was sealed he would of already gotten out if he could
2:10 no humanoid (the player characters) are capable of water magic so if something could use it it would not be playable.
2:20 water represents the depths which is basically death so because people don't want to die they thus don't want to be consumed by the tides
2:30 I am under the impression that Frostdraw manipulates the tempeture to freeze the air and is not the manipulation of water. I might be wrong on this but I think all the Frostdraw mantras freeze then move and is very ridgid and not fluid like shadow cast or smt
2:48 ice is less dense then water which is why it floats
3:20 pretty cool way to interpret the song saying that talking is magic but your vocal cords are not song incarnate like bells so the notes it makes is not magic
4:20 the ministry was not responsible for a great drowing but their goal is to cause one, how they are going to do that is unknown
5:20 their are not enough people using the song to overuse it, the overuse only came when pretty much everyone in the world was using the song and their was a lot more people than their are now
6:30 could be thundercall and lightning is laterally plasma
plasma is lifeweave, yayafino commented on this video
Mister Reactionator will you ever come back to rogue lineage?
maybe