ARP Odyssey vs. Minimoog ROUND 2: The Rematch!
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Thank you, everyone, for your comments on the ARP Odyssey vs. Minimoog Funk Bass Face-Off! I decided that it would be a good idea to do another round with a more even comparison - the sounds are not 100% identical, but they're closer, and I basically played the same bass line on both synths (although I got carried away with the Moog ;P). To further level the playing field, the Odyssey was using the Mk2 (Moog clone) filter, and I defeated the envelope retriggering by patching Gate Out to Trig In to duplicate the Minimoog's legato response.
Which one did you like better?
What would you like to see me do next?
The drums this time were provided by the venerable LinnDrum, but I still used the funky DMX hi-hats.
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The real winner is all of us who get to listen to you playing some really tasty funk!!!
Awesome as always Moot!
Keith, thank you my friend! You rock!
This is the correct answer.
So ... we're supposed to choose which is better, Herbie Hancock or Bernie Worrel? IMPOSSIBRU!
emdotambient the only clear choice is...BOTH! :)
I have to say on this one, I prefer the arp. Kick ass playing!
Thanks Flux! I kinda like this particular ARP tone on this one better as well... I wish I'd had time to really get them closer like I had the previous day! Shoulda filmed it right then. They can sound nearly identical on certain tones (the Moog is always cleaner though, even with its overdriven filter input)!
mootbooxle yeah I think it's that muted diode over drive of the arp that makes the round funky tone appealing to me. The moog will cut through the mix more but the arp tone is just all sex on the floor bottom end lol. The hairs around the edge show clear signs of 1970's bush... a different brand of sexy back the. ;)
Hey Moot, were using the (Korg only) overdrive feature of this ARP Odyssey in this particular patch??? I didn't think you were. BTW, I can get really close to this sound on my original Model 2800 white-face Odyssey even though it only has a 2-pole filter (even though you were using the 4-pole ladder filter in this patch).
Most vintage analog sounds great along finally with a few convincing reissues, with the difference being programming. As with the other clip, I think the arp patch is better.
I think a major point is that playing minikeys feels cramped, even thought you're a great player. So the minimoog version is better played, but the karp rocks
I had to make a stink face. Pure funk genius. Amazing playing. Very good indeed. And date I say I still love the tone of the Oddy more....
Thank you! :) You know what, I kinda do too. Live, I use the Odyssey strictly for bass. But the foundation of most of my studio tracks for years has been either Minimoog or something imitating a Minimoog! It just sits perfectly in the mix.
This vid was pretty much my justification for buying the KARP
Excellent choice!
Mini is like the funk from wearing your dress shoes all day. Arp is like the funk from wearing your sneakers all day. Mini's a little politer a little darker. Arp's a little nastier=funkier.
I'd like to hear you compare them on a creamy prog style lead sound I think Mini would win that?
Haha, that's a great analogy. That's actually a pretty good description! I will definitely do a lead shootout soon. :)
That is some badass synth bass playing.. wow!
synthartist69 thank you!!
Christ, great playing. I felt like the Moog had a livelier sound coming in, but that was likely because of some filter settings. Doesn't matter. They're both legendary, and very different. I love them both.
I feel like the tones could be made even closer. The Mini had more filter emphasis and contour, a bit more "quack", as it's known for. My holy grail would have been something about in the middle: Mini with the filter tamed back just a hair. Also, the mod wheel pitch LFO just plays a lot more funky, IMO. I love those mod pads, but the way you walk the mod wheel on the Mini is just perfection!
Fantastically funky playing, btw!
ARP Odyssey :)
Minimoog is the hands down winner IMHO! Very juicy tone with great envelope "snap".. I like the Oddysey sound almost as much
Man has some mad playing skills. I'm so jelly.
that was SO nasty i had to go and wash my hands
I love that bass line on both instruments. Thank you for inspiring me!
thank you for watching! :)
I was too much at awe from your playing to be focused on the winner.
This is amazing! Great synths and incredible playing skills👍👍in case you would be interested in hearing more funky sounds that this funky beast of a synth - meaning the ARP Odyssey - can produce, you are wholeheartedly invited to visit my new channel dedicated to demoing analog synthesizers. Thank you!
If I must cast a vote, it's gotta be the ARP, for me, but man, does that mini do it to me in my ear drums....I bet the ARP might set just a tiny bit better in a live mix. Oh, who knows😄 I'm almost more focused on your kick ass brilliant playing!
Thanks very much Corey! They definitely sit differently to one another in a mix. The Moog usually requires no EQ at all - it's just perfectly balanced! The ARP sometimes needs taming a little bit, but that's not a shortcoming, that's just part of its character. :)
This was so much fun to watch
Tantu Beats thank you!!
One tutorial on base synth funk ...? PLEASE!
I'm thinking that the real winner is your playing!
The Moog seems less dense & slightly more complex. Whereas the Arp is a simpler pallet... but more robust!
Who can choose?
You don't have to! Lucky guy :]
you're too kind! You described it very well, at least how it's presented here. I kinda wish I'd kept the Moog with just a single oscillator so there wouldn't be the phasing with the second osc blended in just a little. I had the sounds dialed in a lot closer the previous day, but I was in a hurry to film this before a gig in which I needed both synths so I didn't take time to really nail it. The next vid I do with both synths might be a little more academic...They look very different to one another on an oscilloscope! It's something to see.
+mootbooxle that'd be very cool :)
Both are awesome including your playing but the ARP has a slight edge but the moog is 🔥 too
As much as the ARP has a fatter, deeper sound, the Minimoog sits better and is (to my ears) a more robust and interesting tone. If you A/B, I'd choose the ARP in the short-term, but when it's in the mix for a while, I appreciate the Minimoog tone more.
LOVE THEM BOTH! Talented guys playing like this make everything sound great...Its like comparing Gibson to Fender
Paul Bordelon thank you! And I agree, they're both great, and each has its own strengths.
Bringing the stank!!! Love the comparison and the playing. Well done again my friend! I am partial to the Moog but that ARP just sweats out the funk too. Fantastic
Thank you so much!!
Great playing, hard to pick a winner.
If it was purely a funky business, I'd take the KARP! That doesn't mean the Minimoog doesn't sound good, it just means that for this context I like the KARP better. Next should be a Prog Lead shoot off!
Hey, I agree with you in this instance! The Odyssey is a funk machine! Definitely going to do a lead shoot-out soon :)
Sound pretty similar. But for everything else the moog blows it away.
The Moog got a short win for me on this one. Still I love the Arp. On some fast licks it seems the Odyssey keyboard makes it more tricky, less precise. Like if it gets in the way of your playing. I wish they remake a full size Odyssey one day. Great playing and dope funk contest !!
Both synths are superb! Prefer the arp slightly (I own both) Build quality on the moog is better and sounds like a moog should. Arp feels cheaper, and IS cheaper, but just has something special about it that sonically i prefer
as a user/fan of both for many years, I've always considered them better suited for different sounds. with all the vco's on the minimoog engaged and cranked the odyssey is much, much thinner. the 2600 holds it's own extremely well but, the odyssey doesn't have the same weight in the low end. I've always considered the odyssey much better at mid range/aggressive leads than the mini. now that the reissues are out of the arp odyssey, Ive been thinking taking two modules and a really good keybed and building a wood/metal case so four odyssey vco's could be played from one phat keyboard. would have to rewire the pitch pads to one side or, a by pass so one side could switched off to respond to the other. also been looking at the schematics for the the moog sample and hold 1528 module, I think it would be a great add on. and while the modern cp control processor has some s&h and cool stuff to add, that original S&H processor from the 70s was really nice and unique.
my pitiful $1 bargain bin earbuds. Still-- the ARP had WAY more ass-end. Sorry Bob.
Greetings from France
So Moot wich one is ur favorite ?
(And no bullshit talking please :)
eric plisson Cheers! Honestly I love both! Most of my tracks in the studio have Minimoog bass, but on my live gigs I always use Odyssey for bass! Both are great.
Both instruments have their pros and cons. If you want a fat bass that sits well in the bottom of a mix, then use a Minimoog. If you want the bass to be sharp, punchy and prominent in your mix then use an Odyssey. It's really apples to oranges here. :~)
That was the inference I was hoping more people would make from this video. :)
For this piece the arp sound more fit, they are both awesome, but your playing is... awesomer? ;)
They both sound great.
Got a Subsequent and KARP, they go very well together.
Can you do a quick video of this Odyssey Funk Bass patch using each of the 3 filters? I'd like to hear the difference that each filter makes. Thanks.
That might actually be a good subject for a future in-depth video! :)
Those fingers contain a shed load of funk - I like it!!!
Awesome playing! My foot starts to bob immetiately...
Awesome comparison video! I prefer the ARP :-) Big Like !
Thank you Ralph!
the minimoog, prophet 5 And the dmx was the NYC funk sound
Device Factor agreed. I love my p5
Like kashif d-train other funk boogie soul artist
MiniMoog sounds "osc-driften" so it's make a lite "flanger" effect thus making the sound "fatter".
Odyssey sounds just "dry" compared to Moog. And I think you better match the rythm with Moog (or Odyssey has some delays or slow attacks somewhere).
In all fairness the Arp odyssey appears to be vintage and if so the Minimoog was a reissue, Bernie Worrell preferred the vintage Model D, seeing I’m a vintage connoisseur I’d like to see more of a match, the Korg odyssey would of been appropriate for this demonstration also different choice in patch programming concerning the Minimoog.Thank you Caesar
the Arp
I can't believe that a modern korg ARP ody sounded better, tighter, less muddy than the original Mini in this particular funk style
It's the Minimoog for me on this one. BTW this Video is timeless.
Arp won this one (and the first match IMO)... Whether or not it was the patch that was responsible, the moog was much more nasal sounding and less pleasant with less character. The Arp also had more punch, despite the patch not letting the Arp's grit shine through as much. Thanks for this second comparison, it was interesting to hear the ARP holding its own. I don't own either, but it kind of reaffirms my suspicions from other times I have heard the ARP that I think the Arp is definitely my personal preference.
ARP just 2 round win set and match Mortal Kombat 2'd the Moogs a$$ - PERFECT!
To my tastes, the Odyssey wants to be played ..."slinkier"? Both totally work for funk or prog, or any number of styles, but they do call for a different attitude.
Yeah, ARP. Just a rounder, fuller, more organic sound. But this is only one dimension among many for these instruments.
I'm not choosing. I would not say no to getting one of each, if I could.
The white face and PPC pads beg the question, are both of these reissue models?
Odyssey is my top analog synth ever 🥰
2 years on from when I first tried to learn to play this and I've just spent a very enjoyable half hour lunch break jamming out the first section on the Behringer Odyssey that arrived on Monday. Still at the limits of what I can do, still definitely a 'level up' piece that seems to unlock a lot of stuff physically, and also mentally...
Seems to me that the filter is more open on the Moog or maybe more resonance? Regardless of tone, which one do you prefer to play?
ARP wins again!
moog all the way
Keith Isaac is right. The real winners are us all who listened to those marvelous jam works. :)
Nope still like the Arp better. Much more refined sound.
I thought the arp won the first round for that particular patch and the Moog took it on this one. I feel fortunate to have both as of this week. The Mini is in my top 3 of all time but honestly it's helping me appreciate my the Odyssey more. More please!
syzygywell they are both great, and you are very fortunate, as I am, to have both!!
How do you create the sound on this video. Video and this good sound together. When i film with my iphone the sound is very thin.
both sound fantastic, I'm inclined to agree with most the the arp just has the edge for this, or maybe it has the edge for your playing, which brings me to the obvious conclusion, in the right hands they're both brilliant, in the wrong hands they're both crap.
Mmmm dat minimoog. I think it took the prize on this one.
Love these videos!
Thank you for your continued support, my friend! I appreciate it!
Is it possible for you to provide your face settings for the moog?
That's some funky shit right there my brudda
minimoog seems to have a bit more resonance- remove that and it should sound fatter
Yeah I agree. They both sound really great, but on the Moog sound there was just a little to much resonance, that thinned out the sound just a little more than the ARP sound. I do really like the Moog smoothness though. It's a wonderful synth.
+MacXpert74 You're right. That's a typical Moog filter behavior...The ARP tends to keep the bottom end with the filter resonance cranked a lot more than the Moog, which makes it great for funky bass! The Moog can blow holes in walls with the resonance on zero, though. :)
Less resonance and adjust the envelope.
personally the moog, but they both sound fresh behind the hands of MooT Booxle
You make EVERYTHING sound great, Moot! ;-)
Hell yeah! Excellently done, man. The patches were definitely close enough this time to be a useful comparison, and those drum sounds were the bee's knees.
Time for me to start learning how to play smooth, greasy bass lines like that...
Thanks David! Cool profile pic :)
Is a funk bass line tutorial something you'd be interested in seeing sometime?
Yeah, I think that would be great! I have an old p-bass with flatwounds that I have no trouble getting funky with, but it's difficult to translate my bass-line sensibilities to keyboard instruments. Part of it is that I'm not as good on keys as I am with strings, but there are some stylistic differences in the phrasing of funky bass lines on keyboards that are elusive to me, and it would definitely be helpful to get it broken down by a guy whose style and playing I like.
+David Hrivnak Thank you for the kind words! P-bass with flatwounds is where it's at! I know what you mean about the style and phrasing being different...I approach bass guitar completely differently from the way I play key bass. I will add this to my list of future videos!
Daaamn! So funky. I vote for a lead comparison vid as well
Thanks Dr. Funkenstein! I will put that on my to do list!
Could you also do a comparison playing lead tones? I would also ask for ab effects comparison, but I suspect the Odyssey would have an unfair advantage in that department.
How did you get the DMX hats from the Linn, duplicate EPROMs?
Er......once again, I like em both.
Maximum velocity finger , I like
Not sure if it's the envelope setting, alone, but the odyssey has a much more transient envelope, from the sound. The moog sounds to be a bit smoother with the way that harmonics pas through the filter. Maybe the secret is to layer them 😎
Sauce_Aux that's a good observation. In this demo, I was trying to play to each instrument's strengths, and "smooth" is definitely the Moog's strong suit, but quite the opposite for the ARP! It can do smooth, but it's much better at dirty, brash sounds that cut through a mix. The Moog can scream too, of course, but it's the king of smooth!
mootbooxle yes they're both quite lovely 😊 I enjoy your style man, I practice to your funk bass stuff, very inspiring!
Dayum, Moot! Sweet Funkiness to the extreme! Both sounded so great on my Sony 7506 headphones! I think I'll pick the Minimoog this time, but your playing skills made it difficult. Listen again and I may pick the ARP! Either way, supreme talent! What drum machine did you use here?
Thanks Tim!! I appreciate the kind words. I love the Sony 7506 phones - I recommend them to everyone! That's what I was using while filming this video (and all my videos). I'm using LinnDrum for the drums and Oberheim DMX for the hi-hats. Not the real things, unfortunately, but some really good samples. Triggering them from Ultrabeat in Logic.
Ok the mini moog had it here... SO CRISPY
The Arp wins again. Too funky. 💩
Moog has more clarity but both are good.....
Round3 without backing track ;)
I love the Minimoog. Thanks Moot!
I love it too...And thank YOU! :)
they both just funk!
actually it you - right
Damn you’re good! I bet you could make a horrible synth sounds great!
You play real good. Yes, I know my grammar is bad. Now I have to practice. ❤️🙂👍
I ain’t got nothin against bad grammar! Thank you for the compliment! Cheers! 😀
Heroic that you can play those thin Korg keys! I look forward to the module with velocity responsivity. Enough with these toy synths my Japanese heroes. We're not all equipped with your perfect miniature digits. Although, different women have different tastes...🤔
Haha!! Thanks, I think! I'm used to playing harpsichord, which has the same sized keys (at least mine does). I checked out the module version - it's really nice! Very well built. The sliders are much stiffer in movement than the keyboard version, for whatever reason.
Killer playing !! My 2C: If you put those two on a big system in a club, it's not gonna be even close. The Mini is so much more punchy and clean for basslines, no wonder it was THE choice for virtually all early 80s boogie productions. The ARP is very funky and has more lowend, but its "speaker farting all over the place" type lowed. It can be a thing, but if you try to make it work in a loud compressed 80s mix, double it with slap bass, add two guitars, percussion and of course a wall of vocals and horn blasts, it's gonna disappear. The moog will still hit like a freight train and you just have to bump the 100hz ish a bit. BTW - an excellent example of how ridiculously huge a single ramp Mini OSC can get... "I'll Be Good" by René & Angela !
@@SlikkTim definitely. Minimoog is my bass of choice for probably 3 out of every 4 tracks I’ve produced in the last 8-9 years! I was really into the Odyssey for live playing for years, but eventually even that was supplanted by Minimoog, then I got really into the Pro-1 for bass for a good while, then I was using FM basses…it always comes back to the Mini.
Odyssey has a weird DC offset that does some weird things in the subsonic region.
@@mootbooxle Exactly ! I love the Pro One but you need to allow that bratty mf most of the mix. It's great for EBM type stuff. (Also it was the weapon of choice of the classic Ed Rush & Optical releases, although probably tweaked into oblivion in their EMUs.)
The other "Magic" bass synth is the Juno 6 (on par with the SH101). I've done a ton of recordings with those and its amazing for electronic production.
But in my opinion, the Moog bass is the only thing that will keep up once you start piling the arrangement up with "actual" instruments.
You know, one day an in demand thrash & death metal producer from the Bay Area told me, as I was asking him tongue-in-cheek if he might be using a JCM800 for his next production, he replied, shrugging "Eh... as a producer, you come to learn some things are just not meant to be fucked with." I feel exactly the same for Moog bass ahah !
How do you feel about Oberheim bass though ? I'm using it for a late 70s jazz rock project right now and I think I'm really digging it. Something about a 4 unison, 12db filter, I dunno. It's edgy yet thick.
@@SlikkTim Big fan of Oberheim sounds in general! I also like good ol Prophet 5 unison bass for some things. A lot of those sounds are great as a complement to the main foundation bass tone.
this is unfair [they both sound good]
The resonance (emphasis) on the MOOG was higher, giving it added 'q', but either way, it depends on the sound you want. The MM sounds creamier and weighty, but the ARP has that dirty funk feel.
Well observed, and I completely agree with you!
Both great but i like the oddy a little more ! Did i see right that u use only one vco on the arp but 2 vco on the model d ? Cheers and a wonderfull 2019!
the odyssey sounds FAT dang and very woofy, though the moog would be better in some contexts like where the bass should be clearer
Yeah! the Odyssey is fat city, it's kinda funny considering the Minimoog is regarded as "THE fat synth". I don't even have to EQ the Mini usually, but I do with the ARP. I left them both alone for this video tho. It's only fair!
Please some more Arp Ody vs Model D.. leads would be nice although maybe stick to 2 osc on the Moog to keep it fair ! Ody & D together would also be cool. I also have both but not in same location..
that's cool! I will definitely do that!
I know it is a very simple preset, probably two sawtooth, filter and little resonance, but I just can't get it, could you help me?
JRussoC on which synth? The patch is set up a little differently on each, even though they sound similar! The ARP is using a single sawtooth here, while the Moog has sawtooth with a tiny bit of square mixed in in unison to add some beef. Quite a bit of resonance is used on each. The main thing is to have the filter envelope amount set fairly high. The sustain level of the filter envelope is roughly around 50%. Attack at zero, and adjust decay to taste. The actual filter cutoff is set pretty low, allowing the envelope to have full control over the filter cutoff shape. Hope that helps!
Well done! I'm partial to the Mini, but the ARP sounds great. I guess that's why I have both. Great video!!
It's great to have both, huh? They complement each other well. Thanks!
They sound different, not better.
Wow, this is like asking which of your kids you love the most! I have to say that I love the ARP just a tad more here, and it's probably because I would have said the Minimoog if you'd asked me what bass to use with funk. But here, the ARP just bounces like a frigging rubber ball, and the Minimoog seems a bit sterile or something. That's just me, tho. I do have an ARP and a Moog Sub Phatty so I have at least some basis for comparison, too. Either one of these synths can kill a funk line. Nice playing, too!
Man, as in your previous video--they're both awesome. But the ARP has the edge for playing fast, greasy funk basslines. The Moog is for slower smooth jams.
Arp has more grease sound than moog
Awesome. Iike the arp in this vid
Funkalicious!
Please do a talkbox video with the moog!!!!
It's on my to-do list man!
Inspired by these shootouts I finally decided to learn/write some funky basslines on my Neutron and it turns out it's a pretty rad bass synth. Have you ever tried one?
Hi buddy, I'm lucky you're still there spreading the funk.
I first watched a video of yours when you build your homemade talkbox... MANY years ago.
Never forgot that Mootbooxle awesome name & hair
PS: want to collab? I produce funky stuff
Also, which interface did you use to record the input? Just curiosity
Dude amazing playing right there. Also both amazing synths. I'm all for the moog, but i gotta give this one to the Arp...
ARP for the Moog filter.