6÷2(1+2)=???

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  • Опубліковано 27 бер 2023
  • This problem goes viral on the internet every now and then, so I was very glad to have an opportunity to explain it on the air. I didn't have very long to talk so that's why I gloss over a few details, but the overall point is still true: the (intentional) ambiguity of the mathematical statement is the real issue here. This is not really about order of operations; it's about the importance of clear communication, which is true of mathematics as much as in any other discipline.
    For those who want more detail, Hannah Fry did a great explainer in this article that addresses this same question (though the numbers are different): www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...
    And here is my favourite video, by @MinutePhysics, about the order of operations and the deeper issues that it raises about following rules and conventions without understanding: • The Order of Operation...
    More resources available at www.misterwootube.com

КОМЕНТАРІ • 9 тис.

  • @phosphylliteV
    @phosphylliteV Рік тому +19420

    Thank you Eddie, now whenever I see a math problem I can't solve I'll just write "Yes". Harvard, here I come!

    • @RahulGupta-wn8xh
      @RahulGupta-wn8xh Рік тому

      This will help you in your confusion
      ua-cam.com/video/_HtJTPelgDo/v-deo.html

    • @dhannywijaya97
      @dhannywijaya97 Рік тому +390

      wait for me brooo, I'm coming too!

    • @amanpuri7079
      @amanpuri7079 Рік тому +387

      "how to make isaac newton live again?"
      "Yes"
      Marvelous,very inspiring 100/100

    • @attaullahkhan4742
      @attaullahkhan4742 Рік тому +147

      I used BODMAS so I got 9. Anyone else ...

    • @amanpuri7079
      @amanpuri7079 Рік тому +14

      @@attaullahkhan4742 me too

  • @cheeseaddict
    @cheeseaddict Рік тому +4680

    The obvious answer is "5 ± 4"

    • @wetraccoonbetterthantrump
      @wetraccoonbetterthantrump 7 місяців тому +257

      No, the equation does not have two solutions SIMULTANEOUSLY. Rather it has one solution but we cannot decide which one it is. It may seem like it's the same thing but it's not...
      Edit: stop spamming "it's a joke", I didn't get it initially, it wasnt obvious to me. Regardless I shared useful information atleast to someone. About the argument "9 is the obvious answer", consider solving in using bodmas and pemdas.

    • @jacoposparta9501
      @jacoposparta9501 7 місяців тому +144

      ​@@wetraccoonbetterthantrumpactually it's very simple, you just have to solve it in order and you get 9, it's not ambiguous and the guy above was just joking

    • @stonecrane167
      @stonecrane167 7 місяців тому +56

      ​@@wetraccoonbetterthantrumpit's a joke

    • @Alexander-os1ss
      @Alexander-os1ss 7 місяців тому +35

      @@wetraccoonbetterthantrumpIt’s called a joke, ever heard of one?

    • @SebastianLopez-dt4by
      @SebastianLopez-dt4by 7 місяців тому +10

      ​@@wetraccoonbetterthantrumpwell obviously the dude was joking

  • @Xgil2Play
    @Xgil2Play 5 місяців тому +2198

    "I saw a man with a telescope" is the greatest example he could give

    • @minorknight4491
      @minorknight4491 5 місяців тому +13

      it should be 'I saw a man through a telescope'

    • @Xgil2Play
      @Xgil2Play 5 місяців тому +105

      @@minorknight4491 No, Eddie is trying to explain to you the ambiguity of the statement. 6÷2(1+2) is a mathematical ambiguous expression and his example perfectly encapsulates that.

    • @internetextraordinaire1472
      @internetextraordinaire1472 5 місяців тому

      @@minorknight4491you are too dumb to understand it first try

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK 5 місяців тому +42

      ​@@minorknight4491Yes, correct use of language (in this case Mathematical notation) removes ambiguity and clarifies the intended meaning.
      (6/2)(1+2)=
      I think everyone would agree on 9
      6/(2(1+2))=
      I think everyone would agree on 1
      Good notation writing is important. That's why most use two line fractions, they remove ambiguity also and reduce the number of required brackets. They are best practice.

    • @Boomer1665
      @Boomer1665 5 місяців тому

      @@minorknight4491you are an actual brick, crazy how ur still alive

  • @starbald3895
    @starbald3895 5 місяців тому +686

    1. Brackets
    2. Exponents
    3. Multiplication and divisions (left to right)
    4. Additions and substractions (left to right)

    • @fahrenheit2101
      @fahrenheit2101 5 місяців тому +25

      Yes but those don't really make it clear how to interpret 6 ÷ 2(3)
      What does "brackets" mean? It's up to interpretation. In reality nobody writes this ambiguously so you don't even need to care

    • @sergiobricenos
      @sergiobricenos 5 місяців тому +126

      @@fahrenheit2101 it means multiplication. It has always meant multiplication.

    • @leohenderson2390
      @leohenderson2390 5 місяців тому +20

      ​@@sergiobricenosIt can be juxtaposition, or implicit multiplication which is the same in algebra, in which 6÷2(1+2) where x= 1+2 would give 1

    • @GrenaedBoi
      @GrenaedBoi 5 місяців тому +41

      @@leohenderson2390 no 6÷2x, where x = (1+2) would still be 9. Maybe go to school

    • @jiminverness
      @jiminverness 5 місяців тому +9

      @@sergiobricenos No, it means priority multiplication - implicity multiplication by juxtaposition. In other words, distribute the factor through the parentheses. a(b+c) = ab+ac. Distributive Law.

  • @ryanstudham640
    @ryanstudham640 Рік тому +6084

    I strive to have this level of eloquence and patience.

    • @safenomore709
      @safenomore709 Рік тому +76

      The answer is 1

    • @varshinilolla3090
      @varshinilolla3090 Рік тому +25

      Super agree! You don't often see mathematicians or atleast a normal math teacher adressing the problems faced by normal peopleor students , due to an un-elaborated explanation, while dealing with problems they widely face across not just in their books, but also on daily basis.
      Nevertheless the answer is 9,
      under the rules of a sequential method called BODMAS or even often referred to as PEDMAS. Either ways it means:
      1.Bracket open or Parenthesis
      2.M multiplication
      3.A addition
      4.S subtraction
      I am a great admirer of eddie woo, especially from the calculus, permutations and combinations courses that I went through. It made me obssessed with a subject which I had hated in my earlydays! His reasoning behind math topics isn't often seen around, which makes it more accessible to the general public who has merely taken up with the fundamentals.
      Thanks for the videos, Eddie!

    • @gushers500
      @gushers500 Рік тому

      @@safenomore709Exactly! People don’t remember PEMDAS

    • @tedkirik9449
      @tedkirik9449 Рік тому +14

      Answer is one

    • @RahulGupta-wn8xh
      @RahulGupta-wn8xh Рік тому

      This will help you in your confusion
      ua-cam.com/video/_HtJTPelgDo/v-deo.html

  • @subhapackian3349
    @subhapackian3349 Рік тому +3553

    Anchor: 6÷2(1+2) = ????
    Eddie Woo: It's similar to a sentence like 'I saw a man with a telescope'
    Audience: We came for 1 answer and now we have two questions....🤯
    Lol

    • @zmoostofa
      @zmoostofa Рік тому +34

      With a telescope, I saw a man

    • @Some1NamedPlays
      @Some1NamedPlays Рік тому +39

      @@zmoostofa Why would you saw that man??? AND WITH A TELESCOPE?????

    • @billy.7113
      @billy.7113 Рік тому +35

      He answered the question like a politician.

    • @techwithtee8721
      @techwithtee8721 Рік тому +2

      We have two equations 😂😂

    • @FanishKumarGupta
      @FanishKumarGupta Рік тому

      ​​@@Some1NamedPlays so again a question man is on moon or earth. 😂

  • @MrStalyn
    @MrStalyn 5 місяців тому +455

    I'm not a mathematician but an engineer.
    The division sign (÷) is ambiguous because it's interpreted differently depending on the region, and is in fact completely replaced by fractions as you advance in math. I can't recall coming across a math problem made ambiguous by ÷, so yeah this example is meant to be ambiguous. Scientific calculators use ÷ but brackets can / should be used to avoid ambiguity.

    • @nerodelmonviernes
      @nerodelmonviernes 5 місяців тому +5

      what's the difference?

    • @iceyspicey4802
      @iceyspicey4802 5 місяців тому +3

      🤓

    • @GearlessJoe0
      @GearlessJoe0 5 місяців тому

      @@iceyspicey4802hey genuine advice… get off the internet 😊

    • @3000-DEN
      @3000-DEN 5 місяців тому +52

      ​@@iceyspicey4802"wow tgis person is so much smarter than me, i should use this emoji to make them feel bad"
      You:

    • @iceyspicey4802
      @iceyspicey4802 5 місяців тому +3

      @@3000-DEN Aw but it made you feel bad despite literally nobody talking to you 😂

  • @poisenbery
    @poisenbery 5 місяців тому +50

    This is why mathematicians don't ever use the divide by symbol.
    We put terms in parenthesis and use a / for division.
    If your math is ambiguous, then it is not notated properly.

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK 5 місяців тому +1

      100%

    • @clouq6570
      @clouq6570 Місяць тому

      genius

    • @pulsar2049
      @pulsar2049 2 дні тому

      It really doesn’t matter, order of operations forces you to go from left to right.

  • @sweepingtime
    @sweepingtime Рік тому +4171

    This question might be ambiguous but it teaches us a very important lesson: order of operations is NOT ambiguous and the vast majority of applied math problems don't face this issue, yet in our haste to write equations we may end up confusing ourselves by writing them in an ambiguous way, and that's when mistakes happen.

    • @RazorM97
      @RazorM97 Рік тому +45

      Agreed. This is how computers do it too. When in doubt plug it in a calculator

    • @JonGretarB
      @JonGretarB Рік тому +104

      @@RazorM97 The problem with that is that calculators solve this in 2 different ways. Because this problem is a problem of a shorthand, linear, method of representing an equation and calculators sold inside us and outside will solve it in 2 different ways. It’s all got to do with if multiplication by juxtaposition has higher precidence.

    • @RazorM97
      @RazorM97 Рік тому +25

      @@JonGretarB i can't argue with that, you are correct, from what i've seen in most standard programming languages, the order will still give 9,
      but it's hard to even deny that these can't be arbitrary rules

    • @JonGretarB
      @JonGretarB Рік тому +31

      @@RazorM97 I don’t know of any programming language where you can even write the formula with juxtaposition(implied multiplication). You always need to add the star sign in between, removing the ambiguity, and thus the answer would always be 9.
      But programming languages CAN differ in other things. Like what the modulo operator does like I learned the hard way.

    • @pawelzawadzki7307
      @pawelzawadzki7307 Рік тому +8

      @@JonGretarB Also in some countries ÷ sign has different meanings. That's why formulas should be written using ISO format and problem is gone ;)

  • @j2zel
    @j2zel Рік тому +1541

    If you set up the equation with a fraction bar instead of a division symbol, it gets rid of the ambiguity. That's why we don't use division symbols in calculations. It's always a fraction bar.

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK Рік тому +30

      100%

    • @derblaue
      @derblaue Рік тому +36

      That's not the whole problem. It's generally ambiguous if non commutative operators are used with juxtaposition. Both is solved by using fractions but you could also always explicitly write out multiplication when used with a non commutative operator.

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK Рік тому +5

      @@derblaue 100%

    • @doughendrie5468
      @doughendrie5468 9 місяців тому +13

      Why not prove the answer by using the golden rule of algebra.
      6/2(1+2)=1 remove the explicit division be multiplying both sides by 2(1+2)
      6=1*2(1+2) simplify
      6=1*6 proven

    • @affif330
      @affif330 8 місяців тому +27

      well the answer is actually 9 cus explicit division has priority over implicit multiplication

  • @yes-yogaearthstories1404
    @yes-yogaearthstories1404 17 днів тому +2

    In India, we had the BODMAS rule which is brackets of/orders (square roots or powers) division, multiplication, addition , subtraction. That'd mean B/brackets precedes divison and so on. =6/2*3=6/6=1

  • @nicolasrouze
    @nicolasrouze 5 місяців тому +152

    Loves that he has clear and élégant way of explaining things. Great teacher.

    • @user-zn1sc4bd4n
      @user-zn1sc4bd4n 5 місяців тому

      country name

    • @wowzersfyi
      @wowzersfyi 3 місяці тому

      @@user-zn1sc4bd4n Probably Britain, England. Their accent atleast is

    • @vvsdarcy
      @vvsdarcy 3 місяці тому

      @@wowzersfyi its australia

    • @obbyistguywhodoessomeguides
      @obbyistguywhodoessomeguides 2 місяці тому

      @@user-zn1sc4bd4nyou mean what country he’s from?

    • @user-zn1sc4bd4n
      @user-zn1sc4bd4n 2 місяці тому

      @@obbyistguywhodoessomeguides yes you are right

  • @Mngalahad
    @Mngalahad Рік тому +2428

    news: so is it 1 or 9?
    eddie: math is a social construct; it can be anything we want.

    • @katheryne-bois
      @katheryne-bois Рік тому +72

      Not anything! What he meant is that the 2 only POSSIBLE answers, 1 and 9 are both true because the way it was formulated can be interpreted in both way! Yes 6 divided by 2 is a division, but if the division symbol was the fraction symbol, we would all have understood that the division works as a single number rather than a division in itself to solve, and as now that Fraction Symbol is not there, even with PEDMAS, both answers are both true because the division symbol is not defined to us to have us know if it’s a fraction or not!

    • @LeoStaley
      @LeoStaley Рік тому +89

      No, it *isn't* ambiguous. Solve it another way.
      6 ÷ 2(x+1) = 1
      6 ÷ 2(x+1) = 9
      which one of those results in x being 3?
      A term attached to a parenthesis without an operator between them is *part of the parenthesis term*. Any such term must be distributed to the contents of the parenthesis before any other steps in the order of operation can be performed.
      Think of it as if it were a number attached to a variable. 6÷2x=n. If n is 1, then the value of x, the parenthesis phrase, must total to 3. If n is 9, then the value of x, the parenthesis, must equal 2/3.

    • @walidyasin2039
      @walidyasin2039 Рік тому +101

      No it's stupid to say either one. The convention is from left to right and precedence of operations with parathesis taking higher precedence so the answer is 9

    • @Mngalahad
      @Mngalahad Рік тому +13

      @@walidyasin2039 but like in real life you wouldnt have this confusion. technically reading from left to right doesnt really matter. even if you wanted to solve it, it'd be in like an excel sheet where the confusion wouldnt happen.

    • @trstampf7854
      @trstampf7854 Рік тому +10

      ​@@katheryne-bois A fraction bar acts as a grouping symbol. The only way to get a second answer to this problem would be to write it as a rational expression. But that changes the meaning of the expression, and therefore is a different problem resulting in a different answer.

  • @raicyceprine8953
    @raicyceprine8953 Рік тому +2296

    That correlation to sentence "I see a man with a telescope" is such a good comparison.
    It makes you view mathematics as a language just like any other language out there: english, chinese, french, computer language, and math language

    • @soyanshumohapatra
      @soyanshumohapatra Рік тому +6

      So true

    • @Bungee75
      @Bungee75 Рік тому +10

      Well that's why some languages use comma. And then it's exact.

    • @Bungee75
      @Bungee75 Рік тому +14

      @Ashirwad Paswan well in my language it's simple. If you wanted to say that man has a telescope than you say: I see a man, with a telescope. If you omit the comma then you're looking at him with telescope.
      But in maths X(Y) is shorthand for X * (Y)

    • @manankjoshi981
      @manankjoshi981 Рік тому

      but language might be tricky, i dont understand how there is no logical correct answer of this?

    • @raicyceprine8953
      @raicyceprine8953 Рік тому +5

      @@manankjoshi981 it definitely depends on context. We could solve it using PEMDAS if it's deep & theoretical math.
      Solving it left to right is possible if we are computing in terms of accounting, economics, or finance.
      Both are right answers. Just depends on where the equation is being used

  • @Imegal
    @Imegal 5 місяців тому +44

    IMO, if a parentesis is right next to a number, it means that number and the parenthesis are together being multiplied. If there is a multiplication symbol between the parenthesis and the number, it would be completely separate.
    For example, I would interpret 6/2(1+2) as 6/((2(1+2)) and 6/2 * (1+2) as (6/2) * (1+2)

  • @JorJorIvanovitch
    @JorJorIvanovitch 6 місяців тому +5

    In symbolic logic, as in mathematics, the coefficients of parentheses are addressed before other operators in the "left to right" reading of PEMDAS. Just like exponents on parentheses come after the contents inside the parentheses are calculated, so coefficients come after the exponents. Maybe this is because you can use a logarithmic manipulation to make the exponent into a coefficient? I have never had any math teacher from elementary through university who would say that answer is 9. Sure they would use a fraction or brackets more effectively to make it more obvious, but they would still address the coefficient of '2' operating on the parenthesis prior to the division operator following the 6.

  • @WritingGeekNL
    @WritingGeekNL Рік тому +918

    This is simply why most mathematicians use fractions...

    • @victorcapetillo2070
      @victorcapetillo2070 Рік тому +14

      😂.. Might be. I told my wife I just manipulate or set up equations in an order that is faster and more efficient for humans to solve or where I would be more familiar making it easier to solve.

    • @RahulGupta-wn8xh
      @RahulGupta-wn8xh Рік тому

      This will help you in your confusion
      ua-cam.com/video/_HtJTPelgDo/v-deo.html

    • @dooflegoof
      @dooflegoof Рік тому +18

      fractions wouldn't help because it can be either 6/2(1+2) or 6/2 × (1+2)

    • @NirousPlayers
      @NirousPlayers Рік тому +171

      ​@@dooflegoof of course would help
      it's either
      Nominator: 6
      Denominator: 2(1+2)
      6
      -----------
      2(1+2)
      Or
      Nominator: 6
      Denominator: 2
      Then multiply by (1+2)
      6 × (1+2)
      --
      2
      There is no ambiguity

    • @dooflegoof
      @dooflegoof Рік тому +41

      @@NirousPlayers ohhhh, right, I didn't picture that in my head when I wrote the comment
      thanks for correcting my mistake

  • @katerinapierce6643
    @katerinapierce6643 Рік тому +936

    I'm kinda confused. Equation inside the brackets go first. 1+2 = 3. You have left 6:2x3. : and x are both equally in the order, but : stands before x, so : goes first. 6:2 = 3. You have left 3 x 3 which is 9. If the answer was 1 then it would be written like 6:(2(1+2)). At least this is what I learned at school. Order: Brackets, divide/multiply, plus/minus.

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK Рік тому +201

      Academically, multiplication by juxtaposition implies grouping so writing
      6÷2(1+2) explicitly before you simplify at all is
      6÷(2×(1+2)) which gives 1.
      More literally/programming-wise, multiplication by juxtaposition implies only multiplication so writing it explicitly gives
      6÷2×(1+2) which gives 9.
      Both are widely used so both are valid.
      That's why it's ambiguous.

    • @Counter1V1
      @Counter1V1 7 місяців тому +6

      Yes thats what i thought

    • @Vipergang1
      @Vipergang1 7 місяців тому +1

      2

    • @mvpatel6417
      @mvpatel6417 6 місяців тому +8

      Yeah the OG BODMAS rule (idk about O but i know the meaning) Brackets open->Division->Multiplication->addition->Subtraction (priority order)

    • @Black_______
      @Black_______ 6 місяців тому +44

      6÷2(1+2). First bracket
      =6÷2×3. Then division
      =3×3. Then multiplication
      =9

  • @Raven_Ray1
    @Raven_Ray1 5 місяців тому +3

    6/2(1+2) or 6/2 × (1+2)
    It's just the way they write it make it ambigu.

  • @anushv2857
    @anushv2857 5 місяців тому +1

    Can't find a better explanation than this, mark my words

  • @unstablefusion3
    @unstablefusion3 Рік тому +2113

    If you type 6/2(1+2) into WolframAlpha, it interprets it as (6/2)(1+2) and spits out 9, which makes sense. If the answer is supposed to be 1, it would be written as 6/(2(1+2)).
    EDIT: To clarify my point, I'm thinking like a calculator. For example, if you type 6/2*3 into a calculator, it will say 9 and not 1 because there are no parentheses around the 2 and 3. It's the same as (6/2)*3.
    Both yield the same answer. Even if you're not thinking like a calculator, you just use PEMDAS and therefore go left to right with the division and multiplication. First calculate 6/2, then multiply that result by 3 and you get 9.
    Just type these things into a calculator to see for yourselves. It's really not ambiguous.

    • @thegamingsuneo430
      @thegamingsuneo430 Рік тому +106

      From the BODMAS(BRACKETS OF DIVISION MULTIPLICATION ADDITION AND SUBTRACTION) rule you must do the Division first then multiplication then addition and then subtraction so I guess the answer here must be 9

    • @dapplederpgaming8432
      @dapplederpgaming8432 Рік тому +188

      @@thegamingsuneo430the answer is 9 based on BEDMAS (brackets exponent division multiplication addition substraction), but it seems like you’re somewhat confused. BODMAS with your explanation doesn’t make sense, what does brackets of division mean? You also seem to think that you should operate in the strict order of division THEN multiplication THEN addition THEN subtraction, but that’s not the case. Division and multiplication have equal priority, same with addition and subtraction. What separates them in terms of order is which one comes first (left to right)

    • @grumpyolddude439
      @grumpyolddude439 Рік тому +126

      @@thegamingsuneo430 Neither division nor multiplication holds priority over the other. Once the expreession has been reduced to ONLY multiplication and division, and maybe addition and subtraction...you go left to right and resolve division or multiplication AS ENCOUNTERED. Then if addition or subtraction remains; you repeat. Left to right, and perform in the order encountered.

    • @tajforney2533
      @tajforney2533 Рік тому +63

      The entire reason for the confusion is the ÷ symbol. Higher level math doesn't even use it as it creates confusion, so they only use fractions as you can get answers with no confusion. The ÷ sign is for teaching division more than anything, as it looks more like the other math symbols like +, -, and x, making it easier to understand to a child.

    • @dkintheuk
      @dkintheuk Рік тому +17

      Surely you mean brackets first...? The very first letter of BODMAS or BIDMAS or BEDMAS is for brackets... You do them first.

  • @johnwalker1058
    @johnwalker1058 Рік тому +413

    I feel like the purpose of problems like these is to demonstrate to students why conventions exist, whether they be expressional conventions like in mathematics, or grammatical conventions in written composition. Having a set of rules for how to express something helps to do away with potential ambiguities like this and reduce the chances for miscommunication or misinterpretation.

    • @darkfieldcarnivore3928
      @darkfieldcarnivore3928 Рік тому +9

      Yes, words have an agreed meaning for a reason. Even acronyms! Without that established agreement, a conversation can not be constructive.

    • @GooogleGoglee
      @GooogleGoglee Рік тому

      Correct

    • @johnl6176
      @johnl6176 Рік тому +8

      It also should be an exercise in rejecting improper or imprecise problems. As Eddie Woo pointed out, the problem is ambiguous, it can therefore be rejected as such. Any mathematician would reject this.

    • @darkfieldcarnivore3928
      @darkfieldcarnivore3928 Рік тому +1

      @John L I disagree. The agreed language of mathematics that allows for the same result every time dictates this problem be solved in a particular order. Ambiguity only comes when the language is not fully understood.

    • @johnl6176
      @johnl6176 Рік тому +1

      @@darkfieldcarnivore3928 So you understand what factorisation is?

  • @Ryvaken
    @Ryvaken 6 місяців тому +15

    It's refreshing to see a mathematician own up and admit that no, we don't write perfect things that can never be misinterpreted. My favorite is "negative seven squared" because my students get tripped by that or something like that multiple times every semester.

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK 6 місяців тому

      100%

    • @Poshgoatgaming123
      @Poshgoatgaming123 6 місяців тому +1

      mhm yep

    • @djkhemix
      @djkhemix 3 місяці тому +1

      Isn't that just 49? -7 x -7 is 49, no? Why is there an issue? Thanks!

    • @baldability
      @baldability 3 місяці тому +3

      @@djkhemixit could be interpreted as (-7)^2 or -(7)^2, resulting in either 49 or -49

    • @djkhemix
      @djkhemix 3 місяці тому +1

      ​@@baldabilityoh. Thank you

  • @FlimyFlamingo
    @FlimyFlamingo 6 місяців тому +13

    If you use Pemdas, the answer is "9", which Pemdas is the correct way to do problems like that. You have to add the "(1+2)" first because they are in the brackets, then do "6 ÷2", which the answer is "3". Then since the "3" is next to the brackets, you multiply "3 x 3" answer is "9".

    • @Goabnb94
      @Goabnb94 4 місяці тому +4

      Not so fast, because juxtaposition exists, where the placement of operations implies priority, in such a way to remove unnecessary operators. 2*x means the same thing as 2x, but 2*x means the 2 is unrelated to x, but 2x is specifically telling you there is 2 of x without needing to write (2*x). So in that sense, countries with a syllabus that teach PEJMDAS will come to the answer of 1, and they are just as correct, since the order of operations is a collective agreement for communication, not a universal objective mathematical truth.

    • @markprange2430
      @markprange2430 2 місяці тому

      Grouping parenthetically is covered by PEMDAS. But there are also other ways of indicating grouping.

  • @yesno6360
    @yesno6360 Рік тому +1495

    For those of you wondering how we get 1, it's due to something called "multiplication by juxtaposition", which means that we assume 2 or more terms put together indicates that we need to multiply them together first before we process other operations.
    To give an example, if we say 6 ÷ 2x, we assume that u multiply 2 and x first, before dividing 6 with it. In other words, you're NOT suppose to have 6 ÷ 2, then × x.
    This is the case with the question presented, where we assume (1+2) is the x, which means we need to multiple 2 with (1+2) first before we take 6 and divide by it. The only reason it's in a parentheses is because, you can't put 2 and 1+2 together directly without it looking like 21+2 instead of 2×(1+2).
    Hope this clears things out, where I'm from, we never really learned pemdas or bodmas...

    • @SL_Beast
      @SL_Beast Рік тому +6

      But then again there are are numerous questions like the math question presented in the video and no one would know what method to apply right?

    • @yesno6360
      @yesno6360 Рік тому +81

      @@SL_Beast well, the thing is, my peers also never learned bosmas or pemdas, so it never occurred to us to separate parentheses and use multiply.
      If I see 2(1+2), I've never separated it as 2 × (1+2), the first time I've seen this is exactly when this question first appeared. So for me, it has always been just 1 method.
      Same goes for my peers, I've never seen them separate the terms like that. But funny enough, we were never taught the phrase "multiplication by juxtaposition" either, took me a long time to even realise it's a thing. For us, the idea of multiplication by juxtaposition is more like a subconscious decision, or an unspoken rule.

    • @SL_Beast
      @SL_Beast Рік тому +12

      @@yesno6360 That's 😎. For us I remember really well that in like 7th grade they added a whole unit dedicated to teach us BODMAS. And the thing is they didn't even teach us PEMDAS it was just BODMAS. And for the longest time I thought BODMAS was an Universal absolute math term and that there wasn't any other math terms besides it that is on the same topic/use as BODMAS. They really should teach these things in school to us.

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK Рік тому +27

      @@SL_Beast The order of operations as it's taught, like BODMAS, is generally fine as it's handy to have a consistent way to simplify expressions that also reduces errors.
      (Give M and D equal priority and go L to R for equal priority, for example).
      It's great for people with a range of maths abilities.
      When you get older and more confident with it, you often stop using the literal BODMAS as there might be easier or alternative ways to simplify.
      For example,
      4 + 3²×10/2 - 4
      You can go in order:
      O: 4 + 9×10/2 - 4
      M: 4 + 90/2 - 4
      D: 4 + 45 - 4
      A: 49 - 4
      S: 45
      You can alternatively also do:
      S: 0 + 3²×10/2
      D: 3²×5
      O: 9×5
      M: 45
      It's perfectly valid for that expression to do that and it's almost BODMAS backwards and it ended up being a step shorter.
      It's all about understanding grouping and the different strengths of the grouping of different symbols.
      Minutephysics did a great short video called "the order of operations is wrong" which talks a little about that.
      Worth a watch.

    • @SL_Beast
      @SL_Beast Рік тому +2

      @@GanonTEK thanks! I'll look into this more this looks interesting. :)

  • @denniskoppo4259
    @denniskoppo4259 Рік тому +890

    I'm a substitute teacher and problems like this are frequently given on tests to evaluate understanding of the "order of operations". One of the weird things is that some calculators come up with different answers to those problems than others.

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK Рік тому +203

      Questions like this should never be given because it's terrible notation.
      Academically, multiplication by juxtaposition implies grouping so
      6/2(1+2) means 6/(2×(1+2)) = 1
      Programming-wise/more literally, multiplication by juxtaposition implies only multiplication so
      6/2(1+2) means 6/2×(1+2) or
      (6/2)×(1+2) = 9
      Both widely used, hence ambiguous notation.
      Wolfram Alpha's Solidus article mentions the a/bc ambiguity and modern international standards like ISO-80000-1 mention about division on one line with multiplication or division directly after and that brackets are required to remove ambiguity.
      Even over in America where the programming interpretation is more popular, the American Mathematical Society stated it was ambiguous notation too.
      Multiple professors and mathematicians have said so also like:
      Prof. Steven Strogatz, Dr. Trevor Bazett, Dr. Jared Antrobus, Prof. Keith Devlin, Prof. Anita O'Mellan (an award winning mathematics professor no less), Prof. Jordan Ellenberg, David Darling, Matt Parker, David Linkletter, Eddie Woo here etc.
      Even scientific calculators don't agree on one interpretation or the other.
      Calculator manufacturers like CASIO have said they took expertise from the educational community in choosing how to implement multiplication by juxtaposition and mostly use the academic interpretation (1). Just like Sharp does. TI who said implicit multiplication (1) has higher priority to allow users to enter expressions in the same manner as they would be written (TI knowledge base 11773) so also used the academic interpretation (1). TI later changed to the programming interpretation (9) but when I asked them were unable to find the reason why.
      A recent example from another commenter:
      Intermediate Algebra, 4th edition (Roland Larson and Robert Hostetler) c. 2005 that while giving the order of operations, includes a sidebar study tip saying the order of operations applies when multiplication is indicated by × or • When the multiplication is implied by parenthesis it has a higher priority than the Left-to-Right rule. It then gives the example
      8 ÷ 4(2) = 8 ÷ 8 = 1
      but 8 ÷ 4 • 2 = 2 • 2 = 4
      The lesson here is use proper notation
      (6/2)(1+2) for 9
      6/(2(1+2)) for 1
      Those would be valid problems to test students.
      Better yet, two line fractions remove ambiguity and reduce the number of required brackets. They are best practice.

    • @Ninja0Pain
      @Ninja0Pain Рік тому +53

      @@GanonTEK This is why I think fractions are way more useful than using ÷. ÷ is a great way to introduce the concept of division, but fractions are much more intentional.

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK Рік тому +22

      @@Ninja0Pain Very true. Fractions on two lines are best practice.
      They remove ambiguity and reduce required brackets.

    • @Paul-fu2xv
      @Paul-fu2xv Рік тому +2

      It depends on the syntax of the the calculator

    • @shivskiv7653
      @shivskiv7653 Рік тому

      These problems are dumb as hell, it doesn't test anything

  • @borderedmike7394
    @borderedmike7394 3 місяці тому +1

    so in an equation we start with brackets so 1 + 2 = 3. Then if we come across a division step or a multiplication step then we must work left to right, like when we read because we don't read right to left. So 6/2 = 3 and then we multiply that by 3 and we get 9.

  • @Flyboy207
    @Flyboy207 4 місяці тому +2

    I would say that with order of operations being left to right (or so I was told) it’s 9. However if you put the 6 under the rest of the equation, all ambiguity goes away, and it’s 1. Then again, I barely passed Algebra 2.

  • @Dalinar_Kholin
    @Dalinar_Kholin 7 місяців тому +1783

    As someone who knows 6th grade math, I see this as an absolute win.
    Edit 1: Damn ya'll need to stop arguing down there. It ain't that deep XD
    Edit 2: Ya'll I told you to stop and you just heated it up like an oven

    • @beasthuntermohit567
      @beasthuntermohit567 6 місяців тому +54

      well as a programmer, I see this as an absolute loss

    • @Dalinar_Kholin
      @Dalinar_Kholin 6 місяців тому +7

      @@beasthuntermohit567 I feel for you

    • @beasthuntermohit567
      @beasthuntermohit567 6 місяців тому +16

      @@KazamaKazuyoshi458 They aren't. 1 and 9 are both correct answers depend on how you write it or what is the context.

    • @OREO_____
      @OREO_____ 6 місяців тому +8

      @@beasthuntermohit567 it dosent make sense to get 1 like we have always been taught to do these kind of questions by pemdas or Bodmas

    • @beasthuntermohit567
      @beasthuntermohit567 6 місяців тому +24

      @@OREO_____ It makes. Look it as a fraction. 6/2(2+1)
      =6/2*3
      =6/6
      =1

  • @bradroof9286
    @bradroof9286 Рік тому +312

    Here's the thing. Multiplication and division are equal when discussing the order of operations. When they are equal it is exactly like reading a sentence. A sentence is read from left to right and the math needs to be done from left to right. This means division is first and then multiplication which gives the answer of nine. Otherwise, why did we bother with doing parentheses first?

    • @Jinsun202
      @Jinsun202 Рік тому +102

      100% correct. The answer is 9.

    • @Joviex
      @Joviex Рік тому

      They aren't equal the order is PEMDAS

    • @Joviex
      @Joviex Рік тому

      Making up your own bullshit to solve the math

    • @RIK0-1
      @RIK0-1 Рік тому +32

      That's not the correct reason though, multiplication and division can happen in any order with the same result just like addition and subtraction. When you think of division as a fraction there isn't a way divide by 2 and (1+2) because one is a numerator and one is a denominator. It would have to be 1/(1+2) instead. Another way to write the problem is 6/2 * (1+2)/1, both are fractions and now the reason is more obvious. You can also rewrite everything as multiplication between fractions, so 6/1 * 1/2 * (1+2)/1, and the order that you multiply them makes no difference. The result should always be 9 unless (1+2) is explicitly part of the denominator, otherwise it is assumed to be on top. So it's not the order that matters, it's the assumption that multiplying 2 by (1+2) is possible in the first place. There would need to be parenthesis around the whole thing, like (2(1+2))

    • @DavidBioformRains
      @DavidBioformRains Рік тому +16

      Actually lookup mathematical order of operations: M is before D... Mixed division and multiplication
      Edit
      In some of the academic literature, multiplication denoted by juxtaposition (also known as implied multiplication) is interpreted as having higher precedence than division, so that 1 ÷ 2n equals 1 ÷ (2n), not (1 ÷ 2)n.[1] For example, the manuscript submission instructions for the Physical Review journals state that multiplication is of higher precedence than division,[20] and this is also the convention observed in prominent physics textbooks such as the Course of Theoretical Physics by Landau and Lifshitz and the Feynman Lectures on Physics.[d]

  • @ugochukwuudeh6625
    @ugochukwuudeh6625 2 місяці тому +2

    1 and 9 exist in a super position and cannot be determined until the equation is measured

  • @jihadalsweed
    @jihadalsweed 5 місяців тому +3

    Most people here are really lost and think mathematics is just simply blind calculations. It is more of a language in this sense, and using the man with telescope as in example is perfect. i could write 1+1 and the answer is not 2 if the system is binary meaning that every math question needs to be Clearfield and 'order of operation' is usually made for computers and calculators that needs more instructions on how to interpret the question not humans. It is upsetting for me to see that most people find these things as math problems not just silly word play.

  • @cakeandicecream1582
    @cakeandicecream1582 7 місяців тому +65

    That actually is a decent answer because you explain it with a very good analogy.

  • @serdar_k
    @serdar_k Рік тому +1024

    I ran the telescope question through Chat GPT, interestingly, it stated the following: "The sentence "I saw a man with a telescope" implies that you saw a man who was holding or carrying a telescope. If you had seen the man through the telescope, the sentence would have been phrased differently, such as "I saw a man through the telescope."🙂

    • @3_pancakes767
      @3_pancakes767 Рік тому +81

      Yeah just like how it would have been written differently to be equal to 1

    • @joelpww
      @joelpww Рік тому +8

      How about switching with a telescope with using one

    • @stevejohn7459
      @stevejohn7459 Рік тому +1

      The answer to the equation of the video is 12!

    • @artugert
      @artugert Рік тому +78

      And.. Chat GPT was wrong. "Through" and "with" are both acceptable here, and have the same meaning.

    • @samuel9294
      @samuel9294 Рік тому

      @@stevejohn7459 no its 16

  • @theclintevs9331
    @theclintevs9331 6 місяців тому +3

    As 1 month year old Asian-Indian I see this as an absolute ez win

  • @hotman718
    @hotman718 9 днів тому +1

    Because order of operations says multiplication and division first but this has both so it's ambiguous. I always distribute within a parentheses first before I tackle the division so this would be 1 if I solved it.

  • @tambuwalmathsclass
    @tambuwalmathsclass Рік тому +228

    I tried so hard to convince my heart to accept 1 as the answer but all efforts seem abortive.
    I'll go with 9

    • @JitenderKumar-kn7bj
      @JitenderKumar-kn7bj Рік тому +53

      1 is the answer

    • @usmanbelloahmad6461
      @usmanbelloahmad6461 Рік тому +10

      I have seen this in a comment section maybe it will add some light ( 6÷2(2+1) we can assume 2+1 to be x then we have 6÷2x by simplifying the fraction we have 3÷x recall x=2+1=3 we have 3÷3=1)

    • @bimbapanthi9547
      @bimbapanthi9547 Рік тому +14

      Depends if you follow the universally accepted rule of BODMAS or some random American rule. If you follow BODMAS it is 1.

    • @user-fp8vl3mb2i
      @user-fp8vl3mb2i Рік тому +42

      ​@@usmanbelloahmad6461no you are wrong it is 9 at least according to math we know of 6/2(2+1) is not 6/(2(2+1))

    • @spiderjerusalem4009
      @spiderjerusalem4009 Рік тому +9

      the fact that many people still debate over this is so ludicrous, instead of just accepting that the division notation is the heart of the whole matter, get over it, be thankful that fractional is more common instead, and search out for questions that aren't trivial (i.e. number theory, combinatorics/permutation/star&bars, trig, calc, ineq, ode/pde, group theory, abstract alg, etc, as long as it isn't at the level of this overrepeated problem)

  • @nathancate582
    @nathancate582 Рік тому +17

    Mathematician: the answer is either
    Comments: here's the right answer..
    Never fails

    • @VoidHxnter
      @VoidHxnter 5 місяців тому +1

      People on the internet with no qualifications when someone with all of the qualifications show up... and still call them wrong... are just so idiotic.

    • @lilium_lancifolium
      @lilium_lancifolium 3 місяці тому

      You can see this issue in their language. I've heard a bunch of people talking about how the other half can't do whatever grade maths. That's the problem! Most people are relying on elementary level maths without taking into account the other ways of doing things because their way is the right way, but it's only low level. Maths is unfortunately nuanced, despite us wanting to believe it's black and white.

  • @AdequateName.
    @AdequateName. 5 місяців тому +1

    6÷2(1+2) parenthesis first
    6÷2×3 multiply/divide L-R
    3×3
    9

  • @7pz9
    @7pz9 3 місяці тому +1

    If we were to take the answer according to the laws of programming, the process of addition would be first, then multiplication, followed by division, which gives us one

  • @quedoom
    @quedoom Рік тому +8

    We’re simple; Start with the numbers between the brackets; (1+2) which is 3 then we move on to the division; 6/2 which is, yes it’s three (3).
    Then we have left 3(3) or 3*(3) and that is 9.

  • @supermestre5042
    @supermestre5042 Рік тому +41

    In Brazil, it is learned that the order of precedence is parentheses, followed by multiplication and division, but whichever of the two appears first on the left. But there has always been a confusion of which of the two is done first.

    • @SilverPh3nix
      @SilverPh3nix Рік тому +11

      In the US we learn the same thing with the acronym PEMDAS, so yeah parenthesis are first and then after that is either multiplication or division whichever comes first left to right

    • @TheLifeLaVita
      @TheLifeLaVita Рік тому +2

      they literally told you the order. You literally repeated it. From left to right ahaha

    • @SilverPh3nix
      @SilverPh3nix Рік тому +4

      @@TheLifeLaVita no cause it’s more like
      P
      E
      MD (whichever comes first in the problem)
      AS (whichever comes first in the problem)

    • @TheLifeLaVita
      @TheLifeLaVita Рік тому +1

      @@SilverPh3nix you wrote yes* wrong

    • @SilverPh3nix
      @SilverPh3nix Рік тому

      @@TheLifeLaVita lmao I’m a dumbass whoops

  • @wailmoregd140
    @wailmoregd140 5 місяців тому

    Where I’m from, we’re taught that 2(1 + 2) can also be written as 2 * (1 + 2), since 2(1 + 2) is, verbally, 2 of (1 + 2), which is mathematically written as multiplication. So that means the extended way to write this equation is 6 / 2 * (1 + 2). From there it’s standard PEDMAS, or BEDMAS where I’m from. You start with what’s in the brackets, so 1 + 2 = 3. And then, because division and multiplication are on the same tier in order of operations (addition and subtraction are also in the same tier order, being right below division and multiplication), you do both the division and multiplication at the same time from left to right. So 6 / 2 = 3, and then from there it becomes 3 * 3, which equals 9.
    6 / 2(1 + 2) = 9

    • @jiminverness
      @jiminverness 5 місяців тому

      _"So that means the extended way to write this equation is 6 / 2 * (1 + 2)."_
      You can get away with 2 * (1+2) because it resolves to the same number in isolation, and where there is no preceding division in the expression.
      When you expand it the way you state, you are falling into a trap. 2 of (1+2) should become 6 over 2 of (1+2). but you are making it 6 over 2, of (1+2). See the difference? It should become 6 over (2 of (1+2)), not (6 over 2) of (1+2).

  • @ElZedLoL
    @ElZedLoL 5 місяців тому +2

    Unlucky, Ed said its both correct when actually the division instead of fraction is lacking clarity after using infix notation rather than prefix - so many reductions to terms that finally become ambiguous when used wrong like writing 6/2*(2+1)
    I mean, yes, its true, there is no axiom which makes one or the other correct. And if we wanted to write unprecise like this we have "conventions". But still this undersold math a bit like "aaah yes this is hard" rather that "thats incorrect usage of math"

  • @ScoRPy22
    @ScoRPy22 Рік тому +255

    I asked the same question to my professor. His answer was fairly simple and easy to understand. He said we never use ÷ sign for division in higher mathematics as it leads to a lot of confusion in complex calculations. Instead use / and you won't have any confusions against these type of problems.

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK Рік тому +34

      Writing 6/2(1+2) is just as ambiguous.
      Never write multiplication by juxtaposition after division on one line.
      Modern international standards like ISO-80000-1 mentions about writing division on one line with multiplication or division directly after and that brackets are required to remove ambiguity.
      Follow that and there is no ambiguity.
      (6/2)(1+2) for 9
      6/(2(1+2)) for 1

    • @ScoRPy22
      @ScoRPy22 Рік тому +46

      @@GanonTEK No it's not it's tough to put long / here. What I mean was try putting 6 as numerator and 2(1+2) in denominator. Now whatever way you solve it you'll get the right answer.

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK Рік тому +18

      @@ScoRPy22 Ah, yes, using a viniculum, a horizontal fraction bar, does remove ambiguity. For example:
      6
      ---
      2(1+2)
      / is not a representation of the horizontal fraction bar though.
      The horizontal fraction bar implies grouping. / does not.
      / is the unicode Solidus but isn't the real Solidus.
      ½ is the real Solidus which shows a clear two line fraction but on one line by using a steeper line and sub and super script.
      1/2 is not as clear cut as the numbers are not offset so you get issues with 1/2(3).
      ½(3) is clear but 1/2(3) is not.

    • @stevejohn7459
      @stevejohn7459 Рік тому +3

      Bruh it’s 12!

    • @KrutoiPersonazh
      @KrutoiPersonazh Рік тому +1

      Bro he didn't answer the question

  • @Jagdedge
    @Jagdedge Рік тому +60

    So many people wonder what the right answer is that they forget to wonder if the question is right.

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK Рік тому +3

      100%

    • @samshim3149
      @samshim3149 Рік тому +2

      That's true for a lot of intentionally open-ended engineering/physics questions, but in this case, it's just a matter of remembering all the order of operations that we learned in grade school. In higher level math, we usually don't see things written this way because even though it's technically right, it's confusing, and some people can get the wrong answer (as made evident by this whole mess). This wasn't a trick question. It was a tricky one maybe. The answer is 9 btw.

    • @youravghuman5231
      @youravghuman5231 Рік тому +5

      ​@@samshim3149 the writing is wrong. Without any context, this can be anything. Some calculators even said it 1. A fricking calculator!
      If this was a paragraph question, no doubt the answer will be wrong

    • @samshim3149
      @samshim3149 Рік тому +3

      @@youravghuman5231 Again, I'd have to disagree. I'd argue that the question isn't wrong. Poorly written maybe, but that was intentionally done to cause confusion. The only part that people are confused about is the implied multiplication. I guess some people were taught that if you see number touching parentheses, you need multiply it immediately, no questions asked to get rid of the parentheses. Back when they taught me math, they also taught us that you can only do that if it doesn't affect the rest of the expression. Maybe I only know this stuff because I used to get points taken off when I showed my work like that back then, but this is how I do math in engineering today, and it works great. If you wanna read my full explanation, I left a comment.
      TL;DR is the question is only "wrong" if they meant to say 6/(2(1+2)), but since they didn't say that, you gotta assume they're trying to trick you, so you should read it literally and solve it literally, without making assumptions as to what it may have meant. Just curious... What kind of context were you talking about? Just like extra brackets or something? Because my first thought was the context is it's an internet challenge.

    • @youravghuman5231
      @youravghuman5231 Рік тому +3

      @@samshim3149 im not good at English but it's poorly written. Intentional or not doesn't matter because it's a mistake in the question. Just read other comments they explain about juxtaposition.
      What i meant by context is like a question with a given scenario instead of giving an equation like this. That can be more understandable than this equation. If a student writes this equation like this in that question, no doubt he will be marked as wrong.

  • @dhep9428
    @dhep9428 6 місяців тому +2

    -What's 6 / 2(1+2)?
    -Yes.

    • @Rncko
      @Rncko 4 місяці тому

      If it is written this way, there would be just 1 answer. But sadly the "÷" symbol made it ambiguous.
      And as others mentioned which is why "÷" is less used than "/" that clearly defines the numerator and denominator.

  • @SlimThrull
    @SlimThrull Рік тому +225

    Huzzah! Someone finally mentioned that the question is horribly ambiguous! THIS is the correct answer.

    • @jarredlucas4000
      @jarredlucas4000 Рік тому +6

      Cringe

    • @artophile7777
      @artophile7777 Рік тому +11

      ​@@jarredlucas4000ill mannered chap

    • @SuperWolfkin
      @SuperWolfkin Рік тому +2

      But it's not ambiguous. Math has clear rules that give you the answer which is nine by the way. This is why Matt has rules to avoid this sort of ambiguity. This is like what middle school math was all about or remedial high school mat.

    • @signeCS
      @signeCS Рік тому +9

      @@SuperWolfkin math is unambigous if you use the correct notations which this equation doesn't

    • @SuperWolfkin
      @SuperWolfkin Рік тому +2

      @@signeCS I'd argue it's not ambiguous as it stands. You don't always need specific notations when it's covered by the conventions of the environment. Like you don't need to indicate which way to read the letters when you write a sentence because in English we have the convention of Left-to-Right. Likewise math has LTR/PEMDAS conventions that take any ambiguity out of this equation.

  • @Kazutoification
    @Kazutoification 7 місяців тому +241

    Part of the ambiguity here is not just from order of operations, but how people visualize ÷ in solving math equations. For instance, if someone were presented with 1÷2, that would be equal to 1/2. So, when one is presented with 6÷2(1+2), this could imply that 6 is the numerator and 2(1+2) is the denominator. In this case, the ambiguity of ÷ allows the solution to this math equation to be "yes".

    • @paulblart7378
      @paulblart7378 7 місяців тому +9

      Division is division. Who tf would interpret it as one big fraction? That's not even a debate. The way you denote division doesn't change its precedence.

    • @whojoue0000
      @whojoue0000 7 місяців тому +56

      ⁠@@paulblart7378just because u think it wouldnt be interpreted as a big fraction doesnt mean it would never be interpreted as such.

    • @paulblart7378
      @paulblart7378 7 місяців тому +3

      @@whojoue0000 the point is that it's still wrong. It's not a big fraction, and you can't just choose to interpret is as such, it would be wrong.

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK 7 місяців тому +22

      ​@@whojoue0000Very true, and if you use the academic interpretation of multiplication by juxtaposition, which implies grouping, it is a big fraction and commonly interpreted as such, even by many modern scientific calculators

    • @negativeharmoney
      @negativeharmoney 7 місяців тому

      ​@@paulblart7378literally in any level of math beyond grade 10. Ex. The quotient law of logs

  • @SumDumNerd
    @SumDumNerd 2 місяці тому +1

    Guy: What's the answer?
    Eddie: **yes**

  • @andrewmcmillan8039
    @andrewmcmillan8039 14 днів тому

    Order of Operations
    1. Parentheses (Do first)
    2. Exponents
    3. M/D - whichever comes first left to right
    4. A/S - whichever comes first from left to right

  • @Vibrantayesha
    @Vibrantayesha 7 місяців тому +227

    As a 4rth grade Indian student i saw this as an absolute win
    Edit: Omg i got famous I wish I have same number of subscribers but it's ok

    • @Hester7410
      @Hester7410 7 місяців тому

      I love watching cringe indian videos with cringe music, intro and voice

    • @anshnegi9519
      @anshnegi9519 7 місяців тому +4

      9

    • @anshnegi9519
      @anshnegi9519 7 місяців тому

      What else can it be

    • @anshnegi9519
      @anshnegi9519 7 місяців тому +8

      Bodmas

    • @ltsKenzie
      @ltsKenzie 7 місяців тому +13

      I can tell you are in 4th grade

  • @killerwaspy1303
    @killerwaspy1303 Рік тому +15

    I learned that to answer problems in mathematics, one would need context. Context is key to understanding and solving problems.

  • @Zenix.
    @Zenix. 5 місяців тому +41

    We change 6÷2(1+2) to 6/2(1+2) so now you just do the equation in the brackets and then it changes to 6/2 x 3 which is 9. For it to be 1, we need to change the equation to 6/(2(1+2)). When the bottom (i forgot what it's called in math terms) is calculated, it'll be 6/6 which is 1.

    • @darss10
      @darss10 5 місяців тому +1

      Denominator :))

    • @allenchang6185
      @allenchang6185 5 місяців тому

      How about 6/2(3)?

    • @ewapiksrandeb3966
      @ewapiksrandeb3966 5 місяців тому +1

      Nope.6/2(1+2) is equal to 3*3 which is 9
      Now why is like this.
      (1+2) is counted first
      Then you need to divide 6 by 2
      And lastly multiply quotient with result of sum 2 numbers which was placed inside of the bracket.

    • @jiminverness
      @jiminverness 5 місяців тому

      @Zenix. Wrong way round. 6/2(1+2) = 6 over 2(1+2) = 6/2(3) = 6/6 = 1.
      For it to be 9 we need to change the _expression_ to (6/2)(1+2).

    • @KeyUploads
      @KeyUploads 5 місяців тому

      Facts

  • @arto3485
    @arto3485 5 місяців тому +1

    That's one example of the many others that show why mathematicians basically never use ÷ symbol, it's way less ambiguous to use the fraction

  • @Dragonflies82
    @Dragonflies82 Рік тому +67

    I'm confused cause I thought there was a math "law" that you have to solve was inside (the parentheses) first. 🤷‍♀️

    • @seanspreckelsen3496
      @seanspreckelsen3496 Рік тому +62

      There is. Order of operations. The answer is 9. There is no ambiguity

    • @Dragonflies82
      @Dragonflies82 Рік тому

      @@seanspreckelsen3496 In math there's an order to solve operations. Copy this from a webpage. "First, we solve any operation inside of parentheses or brackets. Second, we solve any exponents. Third, we solve all multiplication and division from left to right. Fourth, we solve all addition and subtraction from left to right."

    • @Dragonflies82
      @Dragonflies82 Рік тому +17

      @@seanspreckelsen3496 If you follow the order is 1, but the calculator answer is 9. 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

    • @austinaxley81
      @austinaxley81 Рік тому +55

      @@Dragonflies82 that's not correct, you're misusing order of operations. PEMDAS is the acronym, but the order should be P>E>MD>AS, it is NOT P>E>M>D>A>S. You multiply AND divide in the order the problem is written (left to right, top to bottom) then you add AND subtract in the same order.
      6÷2(1+2)=x
      First the function inside the parentheses.
      6÷2×3=x
      Then, being no exponents, you multiply and divide in order from left to right. The left most function is division so in this case you divide BEFORE you multiply.
      3×3=x
      Then multiply SECOND.
      x=9
      The problem isn't designed to be ambiguous, it's designed to point out a common misunderstanding of order of operations.

    • @michaelmulla6178
      @michaelmulla6178 Рік тому +18

      @@Dragonflies82 order says parantheses first, so you get 6:2(1+2)=6:2(3) which is 6:2*3. Now you need to follow the order from left to right. Youll get 9

  • @kor3ancookie
    @kor3ancookie 7 місяців тому +36

    The "man with a telescope" was such a brilliant comparison. I never thought of it that way

  • @hola3788
    @hola3788 6 місяців тому

    well we can write it as 6/2(1+3) which gives us 1 and also if we follow the rules of bodmas we get 1 basically 2(1+2) is a singular term, u cannot break them by 1st dividing by 2 and multiplying by (1+2)

    • @user-pe6nb4pz1r
      @user-pe6nb4pz1r 4 місяці тому

      6/2(1➕️3)🟰❌️
      6➗️2(1➕️3)🟰✅️

    • @crazycat482
      @crazycat482 3 місяці тому

      6/2×(1+9)=9 tho

  • @Nine-nr1pe
    @Nine-nr1pe 5 місяців тому

    Legend has it, the question is yet remains unanswered

  • @TheoJay615
    @TheoJay615 Рік тому +69

    Eddie DESTROYS misleading math questions with A TELESCOPE.

    • @RahulGupta-wn8xh
      @RahulGupta-wn8xh Рік тому

      This will help you in your confusion
      ua-cam.com/video/_HtJTPelgDo/v-deo.html

    • @ryankwok1021
      @ryankwok1021 Рік тому +1

      Underrated comment

    • @medosfilms
      @medosfilms Рік тому

      he fye 🔥

    • @_Nilu__
      @_Nilu__ Рік тому

      9

    • @placeholderfornow4766
      @placeholderfornow4766 3 місяці тому

      @@_Nilu__ There is no multiplication in the question. It's juxtaposition. It functions the same as multiplication but it's undefined whether it has different priority or not.

  • @clehaxze
    @clehaxze Рік тому +4

    The thing is. In a lot of higher math, especially calculus and other advanced subjects. Implicit multiplications have a higher precedence then all other operations. For example the expression ax/by is parsed as the following in high schools
    (Sorry for using LaTeX notation here)
    a \frac{x}/{b} y
    But in calculus. The differential equation ax/by=0 is parsed as
    \frac{ax}{by}=0.
    Like, it makes no sense to express it this way otherwise. If you really want the previous grouping, usually we follow the convention of putting variables last. So axy/b=0. Or \frac{a}{b} xy
    No one writes like that.

  • @tom091178
    @tom091178 7 днів тому

    Multiplication and Division are the opposite of each other (inverse operations). That means they both share the same spot on the operations order. If it so, the rule from LEFT to RIGHT kicks in.
    6÷2(1+2)=9 You added an extra set of parentheses that aren't there. Multiplication and division are interchangable in the order, they apply in order that they appear from left to right.

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK 7 днів тому

      That's true, for explicit multiplication and division.
      The issue is, academically, implicit multiplication has higher priority.
      Like how a/bc means a/(b*c) not (a/b)*c.
      That's why it's ambiguous notation.
      Even scientific calculators widely disagree. Many give 1, many give 9.

    • @tom091178
      @tom091178 6 днів тому +1

      @@GanonTEK
      I don't like to use this “÷”. I'm a fan of the fraction line. Because this entire term 6÷2(1+2) says to my "six half times three".

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK 6 днів тому

      @@tom091178 Yeah, two line fractions are best practice. It's what I would use

  • @bigmanopshock3167
    @bigmanopshock3167 4 місяці тому

    well if you answer the question using PEMDAS you would add the parenthesis, get 3, they multiply before dividing, and get 6 and then divide 6 by 6 and get one.

  • @tyler1107
    @tyler1107 7 місяців тому +46

    This is why we do fractions for complex equations with division. Honestly, I’m not sure the last time I saw the division symbol in a formal equation for that exact reason. Also! When in doubt, use more parentheses 6/[2(1+3)] or (6/2)(1+3) are both valid. Also, I’d like to note that PEMDAS isn’t entirely accurate. It’s more PE M/D A/S since multiplication and division are the same thing, as are addition and subtraction. (Since 2*2 is the same as 2/(1/2) and 2+2 is the same as 2 - -2, we can say they are just different ways of writing the same concept).

    • @slamkam07
      @slamkam07 7 місяців тому +1

      Parentheses come first.

    • @tyler1107
      @tyler1107 7 місяців тому +2

      @@slamkam07 uh... Y...yeah? You're absolutely correct, but I just don't see how it connects to what I said

    • @Springroll65
      @Springroll65 7 місяців тому

      I know it as BODMAS
      Brakette
      Off
      Division
      Multiplication
      Addition
      Substraction🎉

    • @Luizedu
      @Luizedu 5 місяців тому

      I don't get it, i can just add parentheses in the equation if i want?

    • @proutjv
      @proutjv 5 місяців тому +1

      @@Luizedu If it follows the initial order, yes, it can help avoid confusions.

  • @roberttran1114
    @roberttran1114 7 місяців тому +7

    correct. in applied mathematics, a question is generally not written ambiguously like this.

    • @placeholderfornow4766
      @placeholderfornow4766 3 місяці тому

      Exactly. So many people are trying to pass themselves off as superior and so smart because they think it's a simple question... all they're doing is showing their failure to understand the topic.

  • @mr-man7676
    @mr-man7676 5 місяців тому

    1 is the answer in any case because the 2 and the brackets are considered to be one number meaning that it is asking what is 6 ÷ 6. Bedmas or bemdas or whatever you used in school is just a rule to help people have the same understanding and perspective of the same question.

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK 5 місяців тому

      That's the issue, not everyone believes, or was taught, that multiplication by juxtaposition with parentheses is treated the same as other forms of multiplication by juxtaposition.
      Those who do, get 1.
      Those who don't, get 9.
      You can see it with scientific calculators even. A large proportion give 1 and a large proportion give 9.
      No consensus, or landslide majority either way.
      Hence, the confusion and neither side will win.
      We have to follow modern international standards like ISO-80000-1 and write properly and unambiguously. There can be no ambiguity or argument then.
      (6/2)(1+2)? No problem
      6/(2(1+2))? No problem
      Two line fractions? Best practice. Fewer brackets required and looks far, far better.

  • @hiteshshekhawat3346
    @hiteshshekhawat3346 4 місяці тому +2

    Americans = this is out of syllabus
    Indians = 🗿 यह बहुत आसान है 🍰

    • @BenB810
      @BenB810 4 місяці тому

      Since when do they teach the material in the syllabus?

  • @kevinclark6681
    @kevinclark6681 9 місяців тому +87

    THANK YOU!
    I've thought for some time that the whole question is meaningless, because if the point was to get the right answer, or even to *have* a right answer, greater clarity is needed.
    Also, been watching your videos off and on for awhile. I was a maths major, and I've done some tutoring here and there, so I can really appreciate both the depth of understanding and the enthusiasm you bring to the classroom.

    • @Rami-bi9xj
      @Rami-bi9xj 7 місяців тому

      But what determines which way to get the result?

    • @ultrio325
      @ultrio325 7 місяців тому +7

      ​@@Rami-bi9xjAsk whoever wrote the question to rewrite it as a fraction instead, or if that's not available just give up

    • @yourmommydotcommy2650
      @yourmommydotcommy2650 7 місяців тому +5

      It’s not confusing, it’s not a special math problem, the answer is 9 and only 9.

    • @doughendrie5468
      @doughendrie5468 7 місяців тому +1

      It’s a straight forward term divided by a term.
      The term 6 divided by the term 2(1+2) gives the answer of 1
      2(1+2) is one term containing 2 factors. The 2 and the (1+2). Factors multiplied, are a single term.

    • @rally7555
      @rally7555 7 місяців тому

      ​@@yourmommydotcommy2650go back to school bro

  • @alexandreman8601
    @alexandreman8601 Рік тому +5

    Use fractions, they're never ambiguous.

  • @ranphifer
    @ranphifer 5 місяців тому +1

    people who studied chapter arithematic equations from ncert of class 10 can easily solve this within a second. the formula where 'sum of numbers = n/2 ( a + an)'

  • @UncringeGamingProductions
    @UncringeGamingProductions 5 місяців тому +16

    i went from liking him to hating him within a span of 2 seconds

    • @naemek9675
      @naemek9675 4 місяці тому +2

      ok, but why?

    • @ItsPro824
      @ItsPro824 3 місяці тому

      Because you are dumb?

    • @AyubHassan07
      @AyubHassan07 3 місяці тому

      answer is obviously 9 @@naemek9675

    • @pickleism253
      @pickleism253 3 місяці тому +1

      ​​@@AyubHassan07Bro he just explained why, this symbol ÷ is ambiguios and is replaced by fraction past 7th grade

  • @orion6able
    @orion6able Рік тому +54

    maybe the problem here is were using the arithmetic division sign, in algebra. So mixing two different types of math is causing something to break. Also, thats kind of fascinating, we mixed two different kinds of math and caused something to break! We have a place in math where there is no right answer! I mean we could define f(x)= 6÷2(x+1) and suddenly, we get a function with...

    • @DonPedro69
      @DonPedro69 Рік тому +11

      I dont really know what you mean with two kinds of math, but i would agree in the sense that this is why fractions are superior. These are not so ambiguous. The arithmetic division sign is honestly just an inferior operator sign because you can just get confused with the order of operations rather quickly if you are not used to using this sign. But if you do exactly as the order of operations tells you, you are fine. Math itself is not breaking. It's the misinterpretation that makes it look like there is no right answer. Maybe I misunderstood what you mean by "different types of math"

    • @andreasibilla7855
      @andreasibilla7855 Рік тому +6

      ​@@DonPedro69 idk if this is what Talla was talking about, but the way i see it is that that expression mixes two types of notations. it's not exactly a rule, but if you think about it it's more likely to see "÷" and "×"together in one expression, the same way as seeing "/" and " ⋅ " in the same expression. so when you mix the two notations it gets confusing.
      so if you write "6÷2×(1+2)" it's clear, as well as writing "6/2(1+2)".
      mixing the symbols makes stuff weird

    • @DonPedro69
      @DonPedro69 Рік тому +1

      @@andreasibilla7855 maybe it was suppose to mean what you say, however that still makes no a big difference in the way you calculate. To make it clear.
      First of all, "÷" is never recommended to be used at all, but if you want to use it you can use it to show ratios between two numbers like 2÷3, even than it is prefered to use 2:3 or 2/3 (it's just a convention). If you have more than just a ratio between two numbers you should always use horizontal fraction bars like for example (5×6+2)/(5×3) (i cant write actual horizontal fraction bars but just imagine it) but also for algebra you should always use fraction bars. They are just much easier to understand and they also get rid of some parenthesis which makes it easier to calculate correctly. × and • have the same meaning tho and make no difference

    • @corneliahanimann2173
      @corneliahanimann2173 Рік тому

      ​@@DonPedro69 the fun thing is that I believe this is mostly a mathematical debate because of the internet. I believe I watched a video once that explained that up ti a certain year people would prioritise the order from left to right, over the order of either ÷ or × having priority. This is a debate mostly because different generations and different countries get to look at this through the internet, and we can see that it really depends on how the rules of that country are, because in my case, if this was about a fraction, the second part would ned to be in brackets too. It is how I learned it, otherwise we just go from left to right. It's not that the math of me and other people is different, it's rhe way we have been taught to communicate it.

    • @DonPedro69
      @DonPedro69 Рік тому

      @@corneliahanimann2173 yeah that's the main issue i think, you are right it really comes down to how you learn it at school ig, but at a certain level like university things become more unified...atleast to my knowledge

  • @rob1733
    @rob1733 Рік тому +63

    Thank you, Eddie Woo! This is what I tried to explain to my Father AND my Son who both came up with different answers and both insisted they were right. It is not necessary to be this ambiguous. It's easy to be much clearer in your intentions in mathematics!

    • @grapeman8612
      @grapeman8612 Рік тому +13

      Well tell whoever said 9 they are correct, and the other to go back to elementary school and learn order of operations

    • @SappinYourSentries
      @SappinYourSentries Рік тому +4

      @@grapeman8612 order of operations is irrelevant. Multiplication and division have the same priority as they are the same operation (division is multiplication by the reciprocal). The only issue is that the problem is intentionally written poorly to cause arguments and generate engagement. Source: I have a math degree.

    • @grapeman8612
      @grapeman8612 Рік тому +8

      @@SappinYourSentries order of operations also state you go left to right, and this problem is incredibly simple when you follow that. Also there is no reason to do 2*3 first because then the actual problem is 6/2/3 and that is not what this problem is. There is no parenthesis around 2*3 so you don’t do it first
      Also I know you’re not arguing but it isn’t really written that poorly
      Source: I have a brain and am not 1 year old

    • @hanmira
      @hanmira Рік тому

      ​​@@grapeman8612
      Number 1 is correct because of three reasons:
      1)
      1. 6/2(1+2)
      2. 6/2(3)
      3. 6/2(3) ≠ 6/2×3, so you solve 2(3) first
      4. 6/6
      5. =1
      2)
      So you know in algebra if an equation is something like
      2×(2a+2b), you multiply the two with both factors in he brackets, making it 4a+4b
      Well, the same thing happens 6/2(1+2)
      1. 6/2(1+2)
      2. 6/(2+4)
      3. 6/6
      4. =1
      3)
      / is just the same as ÷, which means there is a fraction
      So that would mean that 6 is the dominator and 2(1+2) the nominator
      1.
      6
      ---
      2(1+2)
      2.
      (Solve 2(1+2) which way you like)
      6
      ---
      6
      3.
      =1
      UNLESS
      You interpret the 6 as the dominator and 2 as the nominator, which would then mean they both get multipled by (1+2).
      1.
      6
      -- × (1+2)
      2
      2.
      3 × (1+2)
      3.
      =9
      If that's how you solved the equation then that's fair. Anyways the answer is 1 and even any calculator says that
      And I realized I put way too much effort into my reply

    • @grapeman8612
      @grapeman8612 Рік тому +8

      @@hanmira you didn’t put too much effort in, it’s all fine lol, but anyways here’s why your wrong
      1. Even if it is 6/2(3), it’s still be nine because you have to go left to right. (Parentheses rule does not matter because the 2 is not inside parentheses.)
      2. Again you are ABLE to distribute, but distributing at that time would be going out of order.
      3. And if you wrote it like an equation you would move the 2 to the denominator and the 6 and (1+2) (or 3) to the numerator. Still being 9 (18/2)
      I’ve done some more research since I’m confused as to how anybody gets this wrong, and apparently there is historical reasons.
      In the past the % (division symbol) would be differing from / (other division symbol)
      So a problem like this
      8%2Y, would turn into 8/(2Y).
      That symbol used to mean “divide everything that comes after” but it doesn’t anymore” so now % and / mean the same thing, and there is no version where this equals 1, unless you’re living in the early 1900s
      Also I realize that is a percent symbol but I couldn’t for the life of me find a division one like the one in the vid

  • @AshrafOsama-ul5qs
    @AshrafOsama-ul5qs 6 місяців тому

    The order of operations is PEMDAS .
    1- parentheses
    2- exponents
    3- multiplication (from left to right )
    4- division (from left to right )
    5- addition (from left to right )
    6- subtraction (from left to right )
    So 6/2 (1+2 ) =9
    First ( parentheses) so 1+ 2 = 3
    Second ( multiplication and division from left to right) so
    6/2 = 3
    3 x 3 = 9
    There is only one correct answer .
    Of course we can either start with multiplication or division based on which comes first .

    • @nickbachman663
      @nickbachman663 6 місяців тому

      GEMA or GEMS is preferred over PEMDAS/BODMAS. Look it up. It could help you see why people get 1 as an answer.

    • @placeholderfornow4766
      @placeholderfornow4766 3 місяці тому

      There is no multiplication in the question. It's juxtaposition. It functions the same as multiplication but it's undefined whether it has different priority or not.

  • @flo5984
    @flo5984 4 місяці тому +1

    and in general it is strange that there is not just 3, but 1+2, because the brackets have no influence on the divided symbol. Also, I would interpret the fraction "/". That would be the most logical thing if you had to work with this symbol. Therefore the answer would be “9”. I really wonder why something like this goes viral.

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK 4 місяці тому

      It goes viral as the notation is ambiguous.
      Academically, multiplication by juxtaposition implies grouping.
      So 6/2(1+2) means 6/(2×(1+2)), which is 1
      Literally/programming-wise, multiplication by juxtaposition implies only multiplication so
      6/2(1+2) means 6/2×(1+2) which is 9.
      It's just bad writing.
      Modern international standards like ISO-80000-1 mentions about writing division on one line with multiplication or division directly after and that brackets are required to remove ambiguity.

    • @flo5984
      @flo5984 4 місяці тому +2

      @@GanonTEK Yes you are right. What I mean is that it just depends on how you define the fraction. And if you had to work with it in mathematics (luckily not) then the answer would be 9, since you would write parentheses when dividing by the entire expression. In all programming languages ​​and programs that I know and that are used, such as matlab, python or LaTeX, calculations are done this way. But as with many parts of mathematics, as I said, it is a matter of definition and there are many other examples that present the same "problem". So I still find it strange that something like this goes viral.

  • @Dravignor
    @Dravignor Рік тому +8

    Moral of the story: Stop using the obelus and just write it in fractional form.

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK Рік тому

      100%

    • @off3039
      @off3039 Рік тому

      I would agree with you, but you can just use order of operations to solve and get 9. (1 + 2)=3, 6 divided by 2 = 3. Both threes are next to each other so you multiply them (3x3) to get 9

    • @doughendrie5468
      @doughendrie5468 10 місяців тому +1

      It’s already in fractional form.
      6 divided by 2(1+2)
      Answer is 1
      6/2 cannot be the factor of the parentheses as factors must be whole numbers. Not fractions. And the term 6 is separated from the factor 2 by explicit division. So the factor 2 being juxtaposed with the parenthetical expression containing the factors 1 and 2, having a higher priority over explicit division and multiplication, must be simplified first.

  • @sleetyhurdle300
    @sleetyhurdle300 Рік тому +3

    just follow bedmas
    6/2(1+2)
    brackets first (1+2) = 3
    since you only have division and multiplication now go from left to right.
    6/2 = 3
    3x3 = 9
    6/2(1+2) = 9

  • @ashaydwivedi420
    @ashaydwivedi420 6 місяців тому +1

    exactly. this problem is designed to be ambiguous. there is no correct answer because there is no way to know if the (1+2) is in the numerator or the denominator
    the "i saw a man with a telescope" analogy is what i'll now tell everyone who is confused about this
    there is another, however. "the mother beat her daughter because she was drunk. it is not possible to tell if it was the mother or the daughter who is drunk. same thing with this problem, and that's why we have two answers

  • @not_a_chad7876
    @not_a_chad7876 5 місяців тому

    the biggest misunderstanding here is PEMDAS, most people think that "oh if m is first then you multiply first" and that is wrong. The MD is left to right and so is subtraction and addition, for example if your were to do 3-2+1, it would be 2 because it was solved by left to right, but if you were to do 2+1-3 it would be 0. SO the answer should be 9

    • @RunstarHomer
      @RunstarHomer 5 місяців тому

      No, it's because in some schools, students are taught that implicit multiplication (multiplication without a symbol) takes priority over division or other multiplication. The point is that there is NO universal standard like this. PEMDAS is taught to students to help them understand algebraic expressions like 4x^2, it is not used for things like this beyond grade school math, because, well, you'd just never run into an expression like this beyond grade school math. The bottom line is that the expression is ambiguous, and was designed deliberately to be ambiguous, so that people would stubbornly argue and generate engagement on twitter or whatever platform it gets posted on.

  • @RoofWithAFloor
    @RoofWithAFloor Рік тому +87

    "The great thing about maths is that there's always straight foward right or wrong answer"
    -parents to me in 8th grade

    • @monkeybusiness673
      @monkeybusiness673 Рік тому +5

      LIIIEEES! I heard the same all the time.

    • @DonPedro69
      @DonPedro69 Рік тому +7

      I mean to be fair it is very often the case

    • @andreadonato6210
      @andreadonato6210 Рік тому +13

      There’s a right answer: 9.

    • @monkeybusiness673
      @monkeybusiness673 Рік тому +2

      @@DonPedro69 Yeah, but as any mathematician will be quick to point out:" Well, it's not ALWAYS though, is it?!" x'D

    • @DonPedro69
      @DonPedro69 Рік тому +2

      @Monkey Business good point...I say it the way I say because I'm really not sure xD

  • @CatherineAaBb
    @CatherineAaBb Рік тому +55

    When I was in school, my math teacher taught us that action within a brackets goes first and then all of the rest goes from left to right
    So, 6÷2(2+1) becomes (2+1) = 3, then 6÷2 = 3 and 3×3 as a result of previous actions

    • @BigFruity
      @BigFruity 7 місяців тому +7

      No, no.......so 6/2 = 3 is just wrong. Where does the = come from? Sure, 2+1 = 3, but you don't put a = into the calculation. The way you wrote it, it would be 3=3 which doesn't make that much sense in that context. Even though you got the right answer. First, you solve the stuff inside the brackets, then you do the "point before line calculation" don't know if it is called that in English, what I mean is, you calculate multiplication and division before + and -.
      6/2(2+1) ---> 6/2(3) ----> 3*3 = 9

    • @jujucasar2003
      @jujucasar2003 7 місяців тому +1

      but wut if u live in An Asian country where they write right to left?

    • @LaggPlxel
      @LaggPlxel 7 місяців тому

      @@jujucasar2003 it doesnt matter. just use bodmas

    • @mariopluto6721
      @mariopluto6721 7 місяців тому +4

      @@jujucasar2003 Math, is a language, if they speak their own language, they can write their own direction, but like english, math is ALWAYS written from left to right.

    • @chieflegend1729
      @chieflegend1729 7 місяців тому

      ayo bro , here the question is not about using BODMAS, it is about whether the (2+1) is in numerator (answer = 9) or denominator (answer =1)

  • @markprange4386
    @markprange4386 3 місяці тому

    2(1 + 2) is a group, and is operated on as a group, just as 212, 2π, 2θ, 2(π), and 2(θ) are.

  • @piyushguptaji402
    @piyushguptaji402 Рік тому +244

    According to BODMAS rule, the brackets have to be solved first followed by powers or roots (i.e. of), then Division, Multiplication, Addition, and at the end Subtraction.
    edit: GUYS BODMAS PEDMAS ASS-MAS ITS ALL THE SAME THING. You may abide by one or the other. Math doesn't change from country to country bruh y'all 💀

    • @derblaue
      @derblaue Рік тому +28

      The problem here is the implicit multiplication (or juxtaposition) which makes it all ambigous and since implicit multiplication can only be used when it's not ambigous the whole expression is invalid.

    • @eliteteamkiller319
      @eliteteamkiller319 Рік тому

      BODMAS is just a mnemonic device. Multiplication and division are literally the same operation. Regardless, this moronic expression is ambiguously written. You never see this is in grown up math because no one writes anything ambiguously.

    • @kryptoncrescent
      @kryptoncrescent Рік тому +2

      @@derblaue well maths has a serious problem if its being ambiguous rather than concrete

    • @widevader
      @widevader Рік тому +38

      ​​​@@kryptoncrescent that happens when people dont want to follow proper writing. If it was written properly it would either be 6/2*(1+2)
      Or 6/(2*(1+2)) in this case you dont need the *
      I think the biggest problem is that people dont even know how PEMDAS and simmilar stuff works. They think since addition is before subtraction it makes it a higher priority, luckly in my country we dont have such acronyms and we are just thought as it is.

    • @Cyril29a
      @Cyril29a Рік тому +9

      @@kryptoncrescent Math doesn't have a problem, people who don't know how to write math do. There is a difference. This is a poorly written problem plain and simple. The fact that it is poorly written does not affect math itself only this problem and those who read it.

  • @cuchinha
    @cuchinha Рік тому +6

    I'm from Brazil so I don't know if the math there is different, but in my country when there's division and multiplication because both have the same priority, it goes in order from left to right

    • @batmirin35
      @batmirin35 Рік тому

      Não exatamente exemplo:
      2 : 3x. (X=2)
      O resultado é 2/6 ou 1/3.
      Mas se vc fizesse na ordem que aparece estaria errado:
      2:3.2
      4/3
      Ou seja em alguns casos como 2x vc deve fazer multiplicação na direita e depois resolver a conta.

    • @vjollila96
      @vjollila96 5 місяців тому

      order should go like this:
      ( )
      x^y √
      x /
      + -

    • @placeholderfornow4766
      @placeholderfornow4766 3 місяці тому +1

      There's an unestablished rule that might exist called juxtaposition (like a(b)), where it's like multiplication but takes priority above it and division.

  • @1illustration56
    @1illustration56 5 місяців тому +10

    But what about the BODMAS (Bracket, Order, Division, Multiplication, Addition, Subtraction) rule for the sequence of execution in an equation? If we apply it, then the answer will be 9 without any confusion. I think the confusion arises because division and multiplication have the same priority, but there is another criterion: the left-to-right approach, meaning solving from left to right. This approach leads to the answer being 9 without ambiguity.

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK 5 місяців тому

      The order of operations doesn't interpret implicit notation and that's where the ambiguity occurs.

    • @Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken
      @Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken 5 місяців тому

      @@GanonTEK idk what your school taught, but my entire k-12, and even into College math courses, ALL flat out stated it's PEMDAS, sometimes written as PE(MD)(AS), Multiply/ Divide and Add/Subtract IN THE ORDER they appear.
      There is no ambiguity about it. The answer is 9.

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK 5 місяців тому +3

      @@Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken You've missed the point. The implicit notation is ambiguous here since there are two common interpretations in use.
      Academically, multiplication by juxtaposition implies grouping so
      6/2(1+2) means 6/(2×(1+2)) written explicitly, which is 1.
      Literally/programming-wise, multiplication by juxtaposition implies only multiplication so
      6/2(1+2) means 6/2×(1+2) which is 9.
      Nothing to do with the order of operations at all since the same order of operations gives 1 and 9 once the notation is written explicitly.
      Proper notation writing is the solution here.
      (6/2)(1+2) if you mean 9
      6/(2(1+2)) if you mean 1
      No ambiguity then.

    • @Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken
      @Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken 5 місяців тому

      @@GanonTEK It isn't ambiguous. You literally added parenthesis to the question when it wasn't what was given to you. You're FORCING ambiguity.
      And no, programming wise, if we're talking "best" practices, would be more along the line of
      (6/2)*(1+2), or whatever iteration you'd like it to be, to ensure there is NO ROOM for misinterpretation, even if it is obvious to you.

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK 5 місяців тому +2

      @@Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken They are implied if using the academic interpretation of multiplication by juxtaposition.
      Like how Sin2y means Sin(2×y), not
      Sin2×y or how
      ab/cd usually implies
      (a×b)/(c×d), not a×b/c×d.
      It's a common convention.
      Yes, explicit operators are pretty much essential for programming.

  • @gunfire_
    @gunfire_ 3 місяці тому +1

    firstly
    if there are() marks those are to be calculated first then everything else so it becomes
    and starbald3895 said
    1. Brackets
    2. Exponents
    3. Multiplication and divisions (left to right)
    4. Additions and substractions (left to right)
    which is right
    so by this logic
    6÷2(1+2)
    =6÷2x3
    =3x3
    =9
    CASE CLOSED

    • @placeholderfornow4766
      @placeholderfornow4766 3 місяці тому

      There is no multiplication in the question. It's juxtaposition. It functions the same as multiplication but it's undefined whether it has different priority or not.

    • @unbreakablebedrock2313
      @unbreakablebedrock2313 3 місяці тому

      ​@@placeholderfornow4766you are an idiot or just bad joking?

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK 3 місяці тому

      ​@@unbreakablebedrock2313They are correct.
      There is no juxtaposition in the regular order of operations since it is a notation convention.
      There are variants that include it like PEJMDAS and around half of scientific calculators effectively use that concept (you can see it in their manuals).
      Implicit notation needs to be interpreted before you use any rules unless you use a variant that includes it.

  • @jayralph7165
    @jayralph7165 Рік тому +3

    The answer is 9 because regardless if the multiplication precedes division in the order of operation-it is a rule that you solve from left to right, but ofc work on the parenthesis first and then the multiplication and division (in any order from left to right), then addition and subtraction (in any order from left to right) so:
    6÷2(1+2)
    6÷2(3)
    3(3)
    =9

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK Рік тому +1

      The order of operations doesn't prove one answer over the other, unfortunately.
      It can't, because it's the *notation* that is ambiguous.
      If you interpret the implict multiplication literally, you convert
      6÷2(1+2) to 6÷2×(1+2) which is 9.
      If you interpret the implict multiplication academically, you convert:
      6÷2(1+2) to 6÷(2×(1+2)) which is 1.
      That's where the ambiguity is.
      There is no agreed upon convention on whether multiplication by juxtaposition implies grouping or not.
      Both are widely used and nothing to do with the order of operations used at all.
      It's also why anyone using the order of operations to prove one answer over the other is just making a circular argument and proving nothing.
      All they are doing is assuming a notation interpretation and saying the one they picked is the right one, when it's not the only right one.
      Mr. Woo is correct and multiple institutions and professors agree.

    • @unbreakablebedrock2313
      @unbreakablebedrock2313 3 місяці тому

      ​@@GanonTEK bruh you finished wrong school obviously

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK 3 місяці тому +2

      @@unbreakablebedrock2313 Since what I say is in agreement with what many mathematics professors are saying, it looks like I'm not the one from the wrong school.
      Try providing evidence instead of opinions and you might be able to increase your knowledge on the subject.

  • @prateshramjohn
    @prateshramjohn Рік тому +51

    I looked in the telescope and saw 1. 😂

    • @dielaughing73
      @dielaughing73 Рік тому +1

      Well the little man only had one telescope, last time I saw him through my telescope

  • @highschoolhub1954
    @highschoolhub1954 5 місяців тому +1

    Priority of solving: parenthesis and DMAS rule... So simple

  • @Silver_633
    @Silver_633 4 місяці тому +1

    The answer has only one principle which determines whether it's 1 or 9
    its whether parenthical co-efficients are implicit or explicit to multiply
    if u think its implicit, the answer is 1
    if u think its explicit, the answer is 9
    Simple.
    Traditional maths has the implicit notation so 1, computer arithmetic/logic maths has explicit notation so 9. The only relevant controversy is which one is to be used.
    There is no debating elsewise, some idiots are saying "BODMAS" or "PEDMAS" when they are all the same.

  • @gsjsdijddhddhdjjssjdjdx
    @gsjsdijddhddhdjjssjdjdx Рік тому +22

    TEACHER: THE ANSWER CAN BE BOTH 1 AND 9
    BODMAS:ARE YOU KIDDING ME!

    • @jyotishkochatterjee3808
      @jyotishkochatterjee3808 Рік тому

      Bro i was searching for this 😂 it's disappointing to see that we have forgotten the basic fundamental rules of mathematics

    • @jethropumbwe4515
      @jethropumbwe4515 Рік тому

      Thank you!!!!!
      Simple and straight forward
      Use BODMAS

    • @LaCo1028
      @LaCo1028 Рік тому +1

      Well there is a piece missing on this, because there is also an agreement that if two mathematical operations have the same priority, you have to solve the exercise from left to right, which is the case in this exercise after you solve the parentheses: 6 ÷ 2 * 3

    • @derblaue
      @derblaue Рік тому +4

      @@jethropumbwe4515 The thing is that school level maths don't show the more detailed problems that arise from careless use of juxtaposition (multiplication by just writing two things next to each orher: a*b = ab).

    • @eliteteamkiller319
      @eliteteamkiller319 Рік тому

      BODMAS is just a mnemonic device to help children memorize. There are only TWO binary operations in the ring of real numbers, NOT four _(all other operations are built off of those, for example, a^2 is just a times a; the square root of a is just the inverse of a^2; a^3 is just a times a times a; a^b is just a multiplied b times; a! is just a times (a - 1) times (a - 2) ... times 1. etc)._ Those TWO binary operations are addition and multiplication. Division is simply a type of multiplication. Specifically, division such as a/c is just a times b where b = c^(-1). In other words, division is just multiplication by the multiplicative inverse. The only note of caution here is that the additive identity does not have a multiplicative inverse (that is, you can't divide by 0, because there is no a such that 0 * a = 1).

  • @izumigamer2542
    @izumigamer2542 Рік тому +4

    I think the problem is the way of writing that is it is incomplete.
    for example you could write it in two ways 6/(2(1+2)) and (6/2)(1+2) which makes the equation complete as parenthesis are used to assign priority and unlike addition and subtraction when used together multiplication and division are not associative we ought to use parenthesis to convey what answer we want from the solver.

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK Рік тому

      100% agree.

    • @MrGreensweightHist
      @MrGreensweightHist 7 місяців тому

      (6/2)(1+2) is the correct interpretation and the ONLY way to read this problem correctly.
      There is no ambiguity, just uniformed readers

    • @izumigamer2542
      @izumigamer2542 7 місяців тому

      @@MrGreensweightHist Well certainly there is some ambiguity as people are confused about the order for solving.

  • @deweydogstudios1568
    @deweydogstudios1568 5 місяців тому

    Guys, pemdas. 6:2(1+2) you would do parentheses first, so now it’s 6:2*3 and then multiply and divide are basicicly equal so you left to right so then it’s 3*3 which is nine. Just use pemdas

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK 5 місяців тому +2

      The issue is with the implicit notation.
      Academically, multiplication by juxtaposition implies grouping, so, 6/(2×(1+2)).
      Literally/programming-wise, multiplication by juxtaposition implies only multiplication, so 6/2×(1+2).
      Only after interpreting the implicit notation can you use PEMDAS, not before, and the ambiguity occurs with the notation.

  • @Two_PlayZ
    @Two_PlayZ 23 дні тому +1

    6÷2(1+2)
    Solve brackets
    6÷2(3)
    6÷2×3
    Do division and multiplication from left to right
    3×3
    9

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK 21 день тому

      It depends on which interpretation of multiplication by juxtaposition you follow. That's why it's ambiguous.

  • @mayankyadav1077
    @mayankyadav1077 7 місяців тому +7

    BODMAS left the chat after hearing this

    • @placeholderfornow4766
      @placeholderfornow4766 3 місяці тому

      BODMAS is an acronym for helping you remember. It's not a rule by any means and isn't thorough at all.

  • @jacckkaboii3528
    @jacckkaboii3528 Рік тому +8

    I absolutely agree with the fact that it’s ambiguous. But if there was an order of operations specified such as bodmas, then the answer would be clear. But all things aside I think Eddie did a good job acknowledging why the answer isn’t clear and didn’t feel the need to over complicate things by mentioning different orders of operations and what answers they would give you.

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK Рік тому +1

      Funnily enough, there is a version of PEMDAS that does take multiplication by juxtaposition into account called PEJMDAS.
      Where J is for juxtaposition. It's above regular multiplication or division.
      Maybe BOJDMAS is the BODMAS variant? Hard to say it though!
      I agree with your comment completely.

    • @jacckkaboii3528
      @jacckkaboii3528 Рік тому +1

      @@GanonTEK That's cool! I have never heard of variants with a J in them!
      Thanks for being so cool!

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK Рік тому +4

      @@jacckkaboii3528 Thank you for being so kind!

    • @tjossai9302
      @tjossai9302 Рік тому +1

      @@GanonTEK I never called it multiplication by juxtaposition but I always used it and thought it was part of the P or B in both version like, 2(5 + x), I always thought regardless of whatever is done to the 2, it will first become 10 + 2x first before anything else is done to it. So this 6/2(2+1) has always been 6 all divided by 2 into 2+1. It's the same as 5 x 8^2, because there is no bracket covering the 5 x 8 part of the equation, I would think that the thing being squared is the 8 and not 5 x 8.

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK Рік тому +1

      @@tjossai9302 For the last example, exponents have higher priority than addition so that's why it's only the 8 being squared.
      Outside brackets are not part of the B/P step, only inside parentheses are.
      It's a notation convention, though, that puts implied brackets around expressions like that, so it's a perfectly valid interpretation but it's not the only one in use.
      That's the problem.
      It should be written properly as
      (6/2)(1+2) or
      6/(2(1+2)) to remove all ambiguity.

  • @taurasbaltrimavicius3413
    @taurasbaltrimavicius3413 5 місяців тому

    I mean if it was written like this: 6/(2(1+2)) then I would agree that the denominator is is the whole 2(1+2) but since it was written as it is then I would argue the queue of actions is: 1. The action in the brackets 1+2. Then the whole thing is equal to 6/2*3. 2. Since we have division and multiplication that are of equal weight we do things from left to right and by that we get 6/2=3 => 3*3=9. But as I saw in some other comments and what Eddie said it's a bit ambiguos and could be written more clearly. My main point is we should not necessarily assume that the whole thing after the division sign is the denominator because the rules does not explicitly say that. Though you could argue that it is not written as (6/2)*3. Therefore, it's ambiguos

  • @colaxarsenal
    @colaxarsenal 4 місяці тому

    The problem with his answer is that order of operations says that if there is a bracket you solve it first:
    1. 6/2(3)
    2. 6/6 as you still have solved the bracket so u must do 2x3
    3. 6/6 = 1

  • @arshmalik8463
    @arshmalik8463 Рік тому +3

    the ans would be 9 according to BODMAS and that is actual correct one

  • @tamarleigh
    @tamarleigh Рік тому +16

    It’s not quite like the “I saw a man with a telescope” example; it’s more like a sentence that starts in one language, ends in a different language, and has an ambiguity as to the point of the switch to the other language.
    For example, if you have a sentence that starts out in English with the words “I get paid”, ends with the Spanish words “a la semana” (per week) but has the word “once” in the middle.
    I get paid once a la semana.
    If we interpret “once” as English, it means I get paid once a week. If we interpret it as Spanish, it means I get paid 11 per week.
    It’s a trick sentence, a practical joke. This numerical expression starts out using one language (elementary school arithmetic symbols), ends using a different language (more conventional mathematical notation), and there’s ambiguity about where to switch gears. The numeral 2 following the division symbol is like that word “once” in the sentence-we don’t know what language it’s in, so we don’t know how to proceed.
    In other words, I would argue that the expression as written does NOT have two solutions, but rather has no solutions. Its purpose is to create confusion, ambiguity, and disagreement-the polar opposite of what mathematical expressions do. It’s not a mathematical expression, it’s a practical joke.

    • @sexmusichandle
      @sexmusichandle Рік тому +1

      Very smart very clear, math isnt ambiguous, its clear, its truth

    • @Supreme_Lobster
      @Supreme_Lobster Рік тому

      Algebra has a very specific grammar, which is designed to be unambiguous. That is to say, there is a clear answer: 9.
      Algebra is not like natural language

    • @eluisific3255
      @eluisific3255 Рік тому +1

      @@Supreme_Lobster point me to this problem in the algebra text book