It wasn’t only the one woman who touched Jesus’ fringe that was healed. That was in Mark chapter 5. In chapter 6 we read: “56 And whithersoever He entered, into villages or cities or the country, they laid the sick in the streets, and besought Him that they might touch even the border of His garment. And as many as touched Him were made whole.” This was the fulfillment of the prophecy that he would have healing in his “wings”. Beautiful stuff. Thanks for your insights.
I went to worship at the Temple Tuesday and Wednesday, the new changes that have been made are so so beautiful, it had tears running down my face. And I thought to my self, oh brother Palmer we as watchers have been watching for this. If you have eyes to see and ears to hear, much will not be lost as we watch. Love you and all our fellow men and women on this watch❤ sorry I am posting so early.
Testimony meeting is not where we proclaim what our most difficult temptation we face on a daily basis. That would be like someone stating that they want special attention and allowances because I ‘m temped to steal, gossip or lie, or have angry out bursts at my loved ones., or that I’m temped to make love to myself, because I’m special and God loves me so I have to be accepted because I have this temptation and it makes me a special person that you need to recognize. That is what I find inappropriate. Testimony meeting is for the witnessing of God and His hand in our lives.
Additionally, my thoughts as you spoke about the 28 temples surrounding the Salt Lake Temple, this quote came to mind: "The greatest events that have been spoken of by all the Holy Prophets will come along so naturally as the consequences of certain causes, that unless our eyes are enlightened by the Spirit of God, and the spirit of revelation rests upon us, we will fail to see that these are the events predicted by the Holy Prophets." -- George Q. Cannon Has not the building up of New Jerusalem of SLC occurred so NATURALLY? They’re not on a planned out square “complex” we’ve all pictured for years, but maybe that’s the greatest evidence of it? Unless you’re willing to truly see it, it doesn’t appear as what we’ve expected, but we are not God and his ways are not our ways. No one ever thought about a charred and dilapidated building being restored as a Holy Temple…until it happened (Provo City Center) No one thinks about SLC being the New Jerusalem…until it actually is. I don’t know, it all just makes sense to me.
I LOVE the way your mind works recognizing Gods hand first of all, and being willing with an open mind to consider the “what if” prospect without a grid.
I think may be the two square block and the buildings on it resemble Temple square and where the office building sits. maybe they are not all temples, but very similar anyway
@@smuir6104hence, Temple Complex (AKA Temple Square) One single temple in a complex of the government buildings of New Jerusalem with additional temples nearby.
Yes , I will pray Jane and her whole family will get to come and visit you. The garment is so sacred and so special, wearing it faithfully day and night is an expression of our love for Heavenly Father. I am grateful for my garments and the protection I receive by wearing them. Thanks for this it was great, I love what LeGrande Richard’s said. ❤
You just described our RS Christmas program- I was so involved in planning, timing, writing, etc. I couldn’t even relax enough to eat. I went home and cried. I know everyone thought it was amazing and I’m glad but it was so stressful and making sure the food was there/enough… I was a Martha throughout.
Brother Palmer, You're spot on! I agree with everything you have expressed regarding the New Jerusalem, the wearing of the garment, and our true and divine identity, as explained by our prophet, President Nelson. It's always refreshing to hear someone express succinctly and with passion the feelings of my mind and heart. Thank you for this podcast. I enjoy all of them.
Cannot help but marvel at the 3rd paragraph from the "bottom" of the SLC Temple Dedicatorial Prayer, as well. He must have surely seen the coming of covid and the temples closed. Amazing!!
They are going to restore or renovate more buildings as well near the temple. I’m curious to know if those few blocks will house 24 buildings eventually, like the original drawing of the temple grounds in Missouri. Gonna be Interesting. Totally plausible.
A thought when you described a individual in your ward using the pulpit to declare that they are Q. The Lord has told us that there is a purpose that the wheat and tares grow up together. We know why and we are living it! In my opinion…This individual basically sealed their separation from Christ by declaring that publicly. I find that people who have this need to blast that at us are very self centered which is the opposite of what Christ teaches us. The road they place themselves on (fighting for the acceptance of their own mortal appetites) is not the road Christ taught we need to be on. The road He was on. To serve. To be humble. To be meek and long suffering. To be teachable like a child. These are my thoughts as I listened to you. Hope all is well!
I'm just a few minutes into the video as I write this, and I've not read all the comments, so maybe this point that hit me has already been well addressed. But frankly, the turning of water into wine had always before seemed like a pretty trivial use of the power of the Son of God. However, as I thought about it now, it hit me. This was very symbolic. The Atonement is meant to change us, to make us "new creatures in Christ Jesus". The Savior is here demonstrating His power to effect change, to take that which is common and mundane and make something special out of it. It really is all one Power to change water into wine and, eventually, "this corruption, into incorruption".
I have always thought that SLC was it and surprised about Jackson County thoughts. I felt like having read Isaiah that SLC was the New Jerusam. It makes me feel like it was the Holy Ghost telling me that all along. I loved listening to this today. Also just loved your discussion about garments.
I think the Lord in his own time will reclaim Jackson County, but as far as the "New Jerusalem" is concerned I think it is in Utah. It is built and ready. All we need is for our stakes to rise up reclaim their members. To become single minded and begin actively working to build ZION. Stop waiting and just begin, that is how every Zion city from Adam to the present began. The people decided to live it, then taught it, then prayed for and asked for it, after having already proven their actions through their good works. So let's get to work!!! Let's talk about it in church, let's discuss the mysteries that Christ wants to bestow upon us. Let's stop waiting for someone else to bring it up in priesthood. The time is now, our prophet has asked us to begin. He even blessed us with whatever we might need to make it happen, right from the pulpit. The call has come!
Thanks Brother Palmer. I love your posts and feel exactly the same on all points. I also love the garment. I remember I was traveling in some state as a young, lost, lonely person and was in a grocery store and saw a lady with a white blouse on and I could see she was wearing garments and it brought a flood of emotion and love for her and a love for all I was risking. Im back and will never leave and never take off the precious garment.
So the 24 buildings might already be almost complete: Church Office Building Tabernacle Conference Center FamilySearch Center Church History Museum Salt Lake Temple Joseph Smith Memorial Building & offices inside Beehive House Relief Society Building Welfare Square Humanitarian Center Church History Library Assembly Hall Visitor's Centers Lion House Church Administration Building Granite Mountain Vault Brigham Young University What did I miss? Zions Bank? Notice how they all have different purposes as they should.
Fortunately we will all be judged individually and we are individually worthy in our own lives, people that think that those of the past weren’t worthy to receive all the Lords blessings are missing the point. I happen to agree with you about the New Jerusalem. I once had the blessing of being at a Stake Conference in SLC where Elder LeGrand Richards was the visiting authority, as he was speaking at the end of the conference time had run out, he asked the congregation, do you want me to continue or stop, everyone in one voice yelled, continue, he did, one of the greatest sermons I’ve ever witnessed. Thanks for all you do and share. Love you brother.
I think about AZ. We have mountains surrounding our valley too and there are multiple temples in the area. I am a temple worker and about 3 years ago when I was able to be in temple when numbers were limited and then as it opened we started going every day to do work for loved ones. We feel so blessed to have found out what temple attendance being on the high side can do for one’s testimony and soul, let alone marriage and relationships.
I love that you read all this about the New Jerusalem is already here. Thank you! The Lord will be there always!!!!❤ All part of the square. Gathering of Israel, both sides of the veil. All Temples having light and Christ will be in charge !!!
I completely agree on the testimony issue. I tell my children when we bare our testimony we talk about Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ, not about our personal lives in detail.
I haven’t heard you mention ‘THE CHOSEN’ film before. It’s absolutely exquisitely done. The depiction of the first miracle in cannan was wonderful. If one isnt watching this series you are missing SO much.
I mention it all the time. You must be getting me confused with someone else. We even rented out a whole theater for the first two episodes of season three. You must not listen or you have me confused. Sad.
It is so wonderful 😊 and I and some of my non member neighbors are discussing it after each new episode. I think it's definitely helping people think of Christ and hopefully building a desire to learn more. Dust off the Bible and read a little. I'm glad the church offered their Goshen Utah biblical set and I'm glad that the man who directs it is open to getting advice and ideas from different Christian and Jewish leaders. A beautiful joint effort.
I can barely listen to some of the other commentators but often do to learn from different perspectives. What I love about your lessons is that you use the scriptures, not LDS folklore. My husband and I have mulled over the New Jerusalem/Jackson County issue quite a bit. Something didn't seem to fit. Thank you! It all makes sense! I'm so glad I wasn't in that Sacrament meeting. There is so much going on in the world that I really need the Sabbath to rest and spiritually recharge. I don't want to hear about someone's sexual preference and I don't think children need to either. Still praying for Jane. I hope your visit works out!!
Gosh Scott; your passion always inspires me. Wish I could be 100% either for or against, but I tread somewhere in the middle but loved your argument. I am 100% with you on our identity. That might be their struggle and I certainly have mine, but in Testimony Meeting we should just be focused on the Saviour and we should keep those personal struggles between us, the Saviour and Heavenly Father. Praying your family make it to Utah and your home. Let us know please.
It’s been awhile since I was at home in SLC, but from what I understand and witness in the news, that place will need to be cleaned up before anyone thinks of it as the New Jerusalem. Not to mention that the cost of housing is higher than can be afforded by anyone who wants to move there.
You could be right brother Palmer. But Salt lake is going to need a MAJOR cleansing and purification to be the new Jerusalem. It feels more like Sodom and Gomorrah right now. 😬
I'm so glad you commented, because it sent my thoughts on a path of places and people that went through a major renovation and became reborn, holy. The first two that came to mind were Jericho and Mary Magdalene. But that is the power of Christ isn't it? Atonement. For a long time people have thought - in order to be holy, the person or place must be pure. But nothing and no one is pure, without Jesus. Then the thought came, that this corruption of Salt Lake City, is a fulfillment of prophecy.❤️ Thank you so much, a very hopeful train of thought. 🙏 I appreciate you.
Brother, I thank my Heavenly Father every day that you chose to move into our Ward after your Mission!!! You and your wonderful wife have Blessed our lives!! For a long time, I felt like I was alone in my beliefs and the way I felt the way I do about many things inside the Gospel and outside!! The First Time you mentioned Tombstone I about fell over, that you had picked up the same things out that I had. Love Ya Brother
My husband and I both love your humanity and common sense! We both appreciate your candid stories and responses to people. We love, love, love you refreshing approach! You will be asked to be a great leader in the millennium no 🧐 doubt!! We hope to meet someday. In the great beyond.....
Testimony meeting has become open mic Sunday. Where everything goes and is said. Unfortunately, in so many wards it is no longer testifying of the Savior.
Our ward is usually overrun with the youth and many primary kids getting up and most times saying things that are embarrassing. So many say how "proud" (no such thing as righteous pride according to Pres E.B) they are of the youth getting up. I just lower my head and bare it. Occasionally one of those youth will be spot on and then THAT is inspirational. I yearn for testimonies that testify of Christ and lift me up. We don't get that too often.
“What the French toast!!” Guffawing here. We love you Brother Palmer. Vent away. We relate I cringe because of all the four year olds who they say “Mommy, what’s queer?” So inappropriate in a place where little children are present.
Sadly, it seems like only the upper middle class and above can afford to buy a home in Salt Lake County these days. I thought degree of righteousness, not level of financial security, would be the primary deciding factor on who is called to live in the New Jerusalem.
My guess is that the problems with speculation on land and homes that causes huge increases won’t correct until wickedness is destroyed when the Lord returns or closer to when He returns.
I am middle class in Oregon but if we moved to Utah we would no longer be middle class… my husband job here as a deputy Sheriff pay is significantly higher then What Utah would pay. But I do agree until Christ comes or some how we have a market reset it going to stay.
I've been watching/listening to you for a few years now. I appreciate your demeanor... I call you my "easy listening" podcaster. I most appreciate when you address political issues of the day. On another note...it always baffles me when "teachers" of the gospel, when reading/referencing the Old or New Testament don't ALWAYS acknowledge the JST's! One of the scriptures you read in this podcast is one of my all-time favorite JST (which you didn't acknowledge) it can seem as though Jesus is talking "down" to his mother at the wedding in St. John 2:4...BUT the footnoted JST helps us confirm in our hearts (the HG testifying of truth not only to us personally but further testifying that the prophet Joseph Smith...was indeed a prophet of God) Jesus said to his mother per JST: "Woman, what wilt thou have me to do for thee?" ...SO much more loving and respectful! ...a very important footnote to acknowledge IMO. THX
I can't help but think that the temple is being prepared for the savior's return! Really. What better place to welcome the Savior when he comes, I mean, could it be a coincidence that there will be great earthquakes when Jesus comes and the Salt Lake Temple is being so totally renovated to withstand earthquakes!!! I totally agree with you on this! Do we know when the renovation is scheduled to be done? Just sayin😉
President Palmer, don't take this the wrong way but I sure do love you! I Love your outlook and I adore your wife! Give her my love! I mean it! I'll pray that your family will be able to visit you here in Utah. One of the many reasons I want Him to come soon, is that we'll be able to spend time with our favorite people, and you and Sue are some of my most favorite people! Life's been really hard for our family these last three and a half years. Especially for Dustin and his twins. But we've had tender mercies and I'm so grateful for my conversion to my Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ! I'm also grateful for your podcast, honestly it is a major tender mercy for me.
A coming out happened in my daughter's ward on Sunday in Ohio also. A married man with children got up and announced he was trans. After that the rest of the so called testimonies were just a show of support. I fear that our testimony meetings are going to turn into coming out parties. We can love and be kind. But not encourage and support them down a dead end road.
This is pure gold Brother Palmer!!! GOLD! Yours is a voice of comfort for both me and my husband and your humor keeps us going and has provided a list of "Palmerisms" that never fail to make us chuckle 🤭🤣. We need Tshirts. 🙏😂 I am appalled at where I see things going but it only serves to remind me that this is what I've been waiting for. Sad but exciting at the same time. I can't remember the circumstances but years ago I was in a situation where I was traveling and didn't have clean garments so for the trip home I dressed without them. Ugh!!! First of all I felt naked/vulnerable and secondly I had forgotten how scratchy clothes feel against my skin. Very uncomfortable. Praying that Jane and family will be able to visit 🙏. Much love 💕😘💕
I know it is hard to acknowledge quotes from prophets that don’t go along with your thinking. I’m just saying that perhaps it’s here now and we have been looking beyond the mark.
@@watcherpalmerlds it's not a big deal to me, if we live the gospel, my big issue is my church leaders aren't warning about anything, "all's well in Zion" and like you said when they have a gay choir singing on temple grounds, I'm afraid when God gets done with salt lake city there may not be much left, we are in the days , if he doesn't come back soon enough all will be lost. Just my opinion.
Brother Palmer I won't lie but everytime I go to Costco (the location where I believe you shop) I look for you. I love your thoughts and your courage. Some topics you share aren't easy to talk about. Those topics have been a strength to me through some tough times. During these times I struggled to make sense of a few things. My father died just before covid and my father in law died the weekend everything was shut down. In these two great men I lost someone I could talk to and work out some of my own struggles as we faced difficult times. You have to a degree filled that role as you and I have had so many similar thoughts. Thank you for your efforts and I hope you know the comfort you have given to many.
I'm just hoping Boise is close enough to count. ha ha We do have two temples in the area so maybe we will be counted as a stake in Zion. I guess if the Lord told us to go back to Utah we would, but we're pretty happy here. I was just reading about the gathering of Israel in Jacob 5 today. I love that allegory.
The Future of the Church: Preparing the World for the Savior’s Second Coming By President Russell M. Nelson Liahona April 2020 It is interesting Pres. Nelson cites the AoF #10 instead of the D&C scripture of Missouri being the New Jerusalem. "He will govern from two world capitals: one in old Jerusalem (see Zechariah 14) and the other in the New Jerusalem “built upon the American continent” (Articles of Faith 1:10)."
Thank you Scott!! What happened to the scripture as a man thinketh so is he? Do we not follow that anymore? Is that not part of our teachings any more? No... cuz they "feel" like this that or the other. Ugh. I think I would have walked out. I just can't. It's sooo weird that the church allows us to "think" about not being a man or a woman of God. Weird that it's ok to "think" about being with same sex. NOT GOOD. We should only think about our true identity as a son or daughter of God. Also, New Jerusalem here in the SL Valley, totally plausible. Yet another thing they aren't saying flat out this is or isn't. Where is Pres. ET to speak straight. No mincing (literally).
Ok I'm not getting anything done cause i had to listen twice! I love those thoughts about the SL temple! You know, add to that the $ and time they are putting into making that temple stable enough to last through the millennium! I'm pretty sure Brigham Young said it would last, and Pres. Nelson is making sure. I've never heard that of any other temple. Fascinating! btw I am a descendant of Abraham Palmer as well, but through the 3rd wife :)
Pro-tip: To make your channel more "inclusive", try hosting a drag show on your channel for all the kids! It's all the rage, and UA-cam will love you. Jk, jk. Loved the video as always. Great stuff. Praying for your grand daughter's family to able to come out to visit you in Utah.
I agree. Thanks for the reminder about the fulfillment of the purposes of Missouri. I believe the "waters flowing from under the temple" prophecy has to do with the people coming in and out of the temple (as it will be when the Salt Lake Temple is finished).. We are the modern day Jews because we believe the bible to be the word of God and are willing to keep his commandments and do his ordinances. And, I am looking forward to the rededication of the Salt Lake Temple. I believe it will be a world-wide event among the church members, perhaps the 144,000 gathered on Mount Zion who will be enjoying the feast as they are worthy to attend this awesome acceptance of the temple (his house) and his bride. I mean think about it, in a Jewish wedding during the year of betrothal the groom goes off to prepare a place for his bride, and she helps too. And when he is ready, he comes to consulate the marriage and feast. We are his. And soon we feast.
I don't think it matters the physical location of the New Jerusalem... that is up to God. What matters most is where are hearts ❤️ is. In the JST in Genesis 9 it tells us that The Lord made a covenant with both Enoch and Noah that the 🌈 represents the covenant that when WE the Children of Israel would begin to look up.... ( meaning seek His face by receiving the Baptism of 🔥 ). He has would send Zion back to the 🌎. Are we Seeking His Face here in this life? See D&C 93:1?
Those are some good thoughts Scott. One thought I had about the first miracle was connected to the first miracle showed to Moses. With Moses the Lord changed a staff into a serpent and his hand into leprosy and back again. The Lord demonstrated his power over the elements.
Whoa. I didn’t hear in any record before; that joseph smith came from the loins of Abraham! I had a waking vision that showed me this many years ago. And There is so much more to this I’m unable to speak.
No one is saying the early Saints 'weren't good enough'. I served in the Utah Provo Mission (Spanish Speaking) back in 2006-2007. Utah has so many of these folklore traditions. My favorite was near St. George where a guy was telling us about mummified remains of 8 foot tall Jaredites, that were craves. I asked him to take me to them, he said "you're not consecrated too". Utah is a indeed a special place, with interesting people indeed.
The New Jerusalem is a center place, a center city which shall be built up and established as the head- quarters of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Its location will be Independence, Jackson County, Missouri. “We believe… that Zion (The New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent” (Articles of Faith 1:10). “Zion, the New Jerusalem, on American soil! And we hasten to add, so also shall there be Zions in all lands and New Jerusalems in the mountains of the Lord in all the earth. But the American Zion shall be the capital city, the source whence the law shall go forth to govern all the earth. It shall be the city of the Great King. His throne shall be there, and from there he shall reign gloriously over all the earth. Bruce R. McConkie, Millennial Messiah, p. 301-2
Or how about Elder Holland. “Christ, who is the great ‘messenger of the covenant,’ did come to the first temple in this dispensation, in Kirtland, Ohio, on April 3, 1836. He has, of course, come to other temples and will yet do so-particularly in Jerusalem and Jackson County, Missouri-as part of the culmination of his majestic second coming.” (Christ And The New Covenant, p. 294))
Great quote. Thank you. You will be much better off with Elder Holland’s words than mine. Everyone would be better off with Elder Holland’s words than mine. Especially me. Thank you.
I love how you explore all different kinds of topics and your honesty of thought. I'm curious about your thoughts about Revelation 21:1-2. I'm sure you've looked at it and this is the scripture that comes to my mind, personally when I think of the new Jerusalem. It doesn't really nail down where it is but it seems to me that it speaks to when it is. Chapter 20 is about the millennium and judgment and then Chapter 21:1-2 says: "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I john saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." How do you see this from a timing perspective?
It is possible that Salt Lake is a precursor to Jackson County... just as Kirtland was a precursor to Nauvoo... and Nauvoo to Salt Lake. The New Jerusalem may be after the building up of the Kingdom from Salt Lake... in the prophesies. It is also possible that Zion may mature to be like Enoch and then the Prophet of God may move the whole city (Salt Lake) to Missouri... as the brother of Jared moved a mountain. We just do not know what the Lord has in mind.
😮 What happened? I left a link to an online copy of the 1958 National Geographic magazine that features an article titled, “Geographical Twins, A World Apart” that compares Jordan River in Utah to Jordan River in Israel and the Great Salt Lake to the Dead Sea with their Capital cities approximately in the same place. Remarkable similarities! I thought it supports what you’re saying! However, it was removed. Wanting to know if I did that by error adding the link, or what?
@@comocardio the man himself! It is the first few minutes of the video I posted yesterday (latest video) and it is titled, “Men’s Hearts Shall Fail Them.”
Such a wonderful video, by the way you are looking so good. That cardio miracle is showing it’s working wonders. Don’t know if you will give your thoughts on this question, you have so many comments. I fully agree with you on the New Jerusalem. I think why there are some that disagree is it is in their patriarchal blessings that they will go back to Missouri and help build the New Jerusalem, isn’t the words given in these blessings from the Lord or part of it from the Patriarch? I will pray it works out for your children to come visit.
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God, being... "in the details of the details of the details"... It is interesting to consider the similarity of the old Jerusalem to Salt Lake City (New Jerusalem?). In old Jerusalem, Jordan's life-giving water flows south (down--a symbol of dying as the city of God). In Utah, Jordan's life-giving water flows north (up--a symbol staying the "Higher & Holier" city of God???) The Great Salt Lake is the equivalent of the Dead Sea (full of salt). Lake Utah is the equivalent of the Sea of Galilee... with the Jordan River flowing between. Provo (MTC) would be the equivalent of Capernaum (which was on the northwest shore of the Sea of Galilee)--the place where Peter and others were called and went out from with Jesus... to be missionaries--fishers of men.
Interesting thoughts. Wondering about a few things. In the Bible dictionary under the word Zion it says that the city of the NewJerusalem, to be built in Jackson County Missouri, is to be called Zion. In D&C 133 it says that the land of Jerusalem and The land of Zion, shall be turned back into their own place...(will it end up back in Missouri when the earth is no longer divided?). The new Jerusalem is suppose to be a place of peace and safety and refuge and the wicked will not come into it (D&C 45) . So if it is SL are you thinking it would eventually become this?
There has to be a New Jerusalem for scattered Israel to return to. The temple is the place of peace and safety. It is also the place the wicked will not come into. Once Christ comes, everything changes. The earth and the people will be changed and quickend. I know it says the new Jerusalem will be in Jackson county. Bruce R McConkie contributed much to the topical guide and dictionary. He was an amazing individual. I love him. I do have a different opinion on this. If you have noticed, the new Jerusalem in Jackson county has not really been preached by the Brethren for many years. Just my thoughts
I believe it will be in Jackson county. There is so much more destruction that will happen that there is no point in building it now. The time is not right. We will gather to build it. God can move mountains. Why not His temple?
If the saints dont know that planets sat in the ancient heavens and what the ancients peoples called those planets and what legends and stories they put to them were, than they probably dont know that there will be a new arrangement of planets in our future millennium skies. They will cause such a catastrophic change upon earth during their return that (paraphrasing Brigham I believe) that "there wont be so much as a yellow dog to wag its tail in missouri" because the flooding and earthquakes that will happen will literally change the landscape to where the church's property is right now. It will be unrecognizable. I believe after learning about these planets returning (Joseph talked about them alot) that they will rest in the skies above "Adam Ondi Ahman" which is where Adam, our Father and our God dwelt, (where Joseph said was the garden if eden). These planets with their electric charges will rest upon that place and will make a refuge for the saints that can enter therein by the light that they carry and by their high vibration. No unclean or dark or low vibrational human or humanoid will be able to withstand the power of it. We know that the city of Enoch is a planet that has been broken off of Earth, it needs to return from where it was taken which is the Gulf of Mexico. We know that lost tribes will be returning on some of these pieces that have been broken off, the last one was broken off during the crucifixion according to the Prophet Joseph. The Prophet Joseph also said the last great sign of the coming of the son of man would be a comet, a planet. All these things show that there will be orbs returning to Earth Skies, until we see these things we can know that new New Jerusalem has not returned. Many mysteries and things not talked about. There are symbols all over the Salt Lake Temple and the temple grounds and on top of the conference center that are designs that these planets made in the skies. Just more proof that there will be new designs made in the future Skies
Come on, Scott! The Lord himself said Jackson County is where the New Jerusalem will be built. Why there? Because that’s where the Garden of Eden was located.
It could have been the Garden of Eden, but the references to that are all second and third sources. Some of those sources also say that Joseph found alters of Adam and Eve there. The same source also stated that Joseph said that the City of Enoch was in the Gulf of Mexico. All this could be true, but it is really speculation. IMO
@@watcherpalmerlds I heard about the possibility of the Gulf being where the city of Enoch was, while in seminary. I also spent my mission mostly on the Gulf of Mexico, and had a second training area as Gulf Breeze, FL.
There are a lot of members receiving impressions to move to MO. don’t count Jackson County out just yet.. a small town of Trenton has had over 200 Tongan families move there within the last year. Families are moving in droves on the mere impression to do so.. it will be interesting to watch and see what the Lord has in store
Isaiah says... the Law should go forth out of Zion (the New Jerusalem)--the mountain of the Lord's house... established in the top of the mountains? Isaiah 2: 2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord’s house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
There is no need to build in Jackson County if there are no Saints there. If that is to be the governmental center place, then that will be built after DC is abolished. (In my opinion) SLC is acting New Jerusalem as far as I am concerned. Then if and when needed, a new governmental capital can be established. Love this, on point. 10 Lost Tribes are being found, they are the pure in heart, the elect. 10 also means completion, if there is a mass group, then it would come in temple work or after the Savior returns.
That’s right. The New Jerusalem is about the covenant and the temple, not about individuals. We are still in a tellestial state. When Chris comes we will no longer be in that state and hopefully no queer proclaiming from the pulpit.
Revelation 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. A furlong is 660 feet, so it calculates out to be 1500 miles. Driving distance from SLC to Independence MO. Is 1,086 miles. Depending on how you define center place of Zion, both could be in the borders.
"My prophet quote is better than your prophet quote." -- I keep seeing this attitude in several different LDS-themed podcasts. Bro. Palmer, your videos are really great, and I agree with almost everything you say. However, we will agree to disagree on the New Jerusalem location. I acknowledge the quotes you shared, however, the quote from the SL temple dedication prayer is "In past ages Thou didst inspire with Thy Holy Spirit Thy servants, the prophets, to speak of the time in the latter days when the mountain of the Lord's house should be established in the tops of the mountains, and should be exalted above the hills. We thank Thee that we have had the glorious opportunity of contributing to the fulfillment of these visions of Thine ancient seers" - which clearly (to me) speaks of the temple being built in the mountains, and it HAS been fulfilled. But, that prayer was given long before cross-referencing and footnotes ever came about - so, I'm not convinced Pres. Woodruff was saying what you think he said, by connecting all the footnotes and other references. As others have mentioned, I stick with Joseph Smith. The Lord has often "changed His mind" on things. And who's to say He didn't just give those words of "New Jerusalem" to the early saints in order to give them encouragement, comfort, support, and reason for staying in Utah and building up the home base of the church for the next 160+ years....
I don’t think that is true. Those living will not be translated until Christ comes. The New Jerusalem will exists before and in preparation for His return, thus we do not need to be translated. IMO
It wasn’t only the one woman who touched Jesus’ fringe that was healed. That was in Mark chapter 5. In chapter 6 we read:
“56 And whithersoever He entered, into villages or cities or the country, they laid the sick in the streets, and besought Him that they might touch even the border of His garment. And as many as touched Him were made whole.”
This was the fulfillment of the prophecy that he would have healing in his “wings”.
Beautiful stuff. Thanks for your insights.
I went to worship at the Temple Tuesday and Wednesday, the new changes that have been made are so so beautiful, it had tears running down my face. And I thought to my self, oh brother Palmer we as watchers have been watching for this. If you have eyes to see and ears to hear, much will not be lost as we watch. Love you and all our fellow men and women on this watch❤ sorry I am posting so early.
Testimony meeting is not where we proclaim what our most difficult temptation we face on a daily basis. That would be like someone stating that they want special attention and allowances because I ‘m temped to steal, gossip or lie, or have angry out bursts at my loved ones., or that I’m temped to make love to myself, because I’m special and God loves me so I have to be accepted because I have this temptation and it makes me a special person that you need to recognize. That is what I find inappropriate. Testimony meeting is for the witnessing of God and His hand in our lives.
Bam! You nailed it! Thank you!
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Additionally, my thoughts as you spoke about the 28 temples surrounding the Salt Lake Temple, this quote came to mind: "The greatest events that have been spoken of by all the Holy Prophets will come along so naturally as the consequences of certain causes, that unless our eyes are enlightened by the Spirit of God, and the spirit of revelation rests upon us, we will fail to see that these are the events predicted by the Holy Prophets."
-- George Q. Cannon
Has not the building up of New Jerusalem of SLC occurred so NATURALLY? They’re not on a planned out square “complex” we’ve all pictured for years, but maybe that’s the greatest evidence of it? Unless you’re willing to truly see it, it doesn’t appear as what we’ve expected, but we are not God and his ways are not our ways. No one ever thought about a charred and dilapidated building being restored as a Holy Temple…until it happened (Provo City Center) No one thinks about SLC being the New Jerusalem…until it actually is. I don’t know, it all just makes sense to me.
I LOVE the way your mind works recognizing Gods hand first of all, and being willing with an open mind to consider the “what if” prospect without a grid.
What a cool thought. I pray to have the spiritual eyes to see these things if it is indeed true. Thanks for sharing!
I think may be the two square block and the buildings on it resemble Temple square and where the office building sits. maybe they are not all temples, but very similar anyway
@@smuir6104hence, Temple Complex (AKA Temple Square) One single temple in a complex of the government buildings of New Jerusalem with additional temples nearby.
It becomes one city block when you fly above it. 😄 And you look down and see all those temples.
Yes , I will pray Jane and her whole family will get to come and visit you.
The garment is so sacred and so special, wearing it faithfully day and night is an expression of our love for Heavenly Father. I am grateful for my garments and the protection I receive by wearing them. Thanks for this it was great, I love what LeGrande Richard’s said. ❤
You just described our RS Christmas program- I was so involved in planning, timing, writing, etc. I couldn’t even relax enough to eat. I went home and cried. I know everyone thought it was amazing and I’m glad but it was so stressful and making sure the food was there/enough… I was a Martha throughout.
We have all been there. Trust me.
We had a guy almost declare he was queer in church over the pulpit but our bishop stopped him. Kindly though.
Brother Palmer,
You're spot on! I agree with everything you have expressed regarding the New Jerusalem, the wearing of the garment, and our true and divine identity, as explained by our prophet, President Nelson. It's always refreshing to hear someone express succinctly and with passion the feelings of my mind and heart. Thank you for this podcast. I enjoy all of them.
Cannot help but marvel at the 3rd paragraph from the "bottom" of the SLC Temple Dedicatorial Prayer, as well. He must have surely seen the coming of covid and the temples closed. Amazing!!
They are going to restore or renovate more buildings as well near the temple. I’m curious to know if those few blocks will house 24 buildings eventually, like the original drawing of the temple grounds in Missouri. Gonna be Interesting. Totally plausible.
Totally agree with you about New Jerusalem too! So many members of the church remind me of the Pharisees and are blind what is going on all around us!
My husband’s logic is-as long as the prophet is here in Utah, we’re good 🤣
A thought when you described a individual in your ward using the pulpit to declare that they are Q. The Lord has told us that there is a purpose that the wheat and tares grow up together. We know why and we are living it! In my opinion…This individual basically sealed their separation from Christ by declaring that publicly. I find that people who have this need to blast that at us are very self centered which is the opposite of what Christ teaches us. The road they place themselves on (fighting for the acceptance of their own mortal appetites) is not the road Christ taught we need to be on. The road He was on. To serve. To be humble. To be meek and long suffering. To be teachable like a child. These are my thoughts as I listened to you. Hope all is well!
You stated my feeling way better than I did. Thank you! So profound!
That makes sense to me. Can’t wait to see how things continue to unfold in Gods great work!
I'm just a few minutes into the video as I write this, and I've not read all the comments, so maybe this point that hit me has already been well addressed. But frankly, the turning of water into wine had always before seemed like a pretty trivial use of the power of the Son of God. However, as I thought about it now, it hit me. This was very symbolic. The Atonement is meant to change us, to make us "new creatures in Christ Jesus". The Savior is here demonstrating His power to effect change, to take that which is common and mundane and make something special out of it. It really is all one Power to change water into wine and, eventually, "this corruption, into incorruption".
I have always thought that SLC was it and surprised about Jackson County thoughts. I felt like having read Isaiah that SLC was the New Jerusam. It makes me feel like it was the Holy Ghost telling me that all along. I loved listening to this today. Also just loved your discussion about garments.
I think the Lord in his own time will reclaim Jackson County, but as far as the "New Jerusalem" is concerned I think it is in Utah. It is built and ready. All we need is for our stakes to rise up reclaim their members. To become single minded and begin actively working to build ZION. Stop waiting and just begin, that is how every Zion city from Adam to the present began. The people decided to live it, then taught it, then prayed for and asked for it, after having already proven their actions through their good works. So let's get to work!!! Let's talk about it in church, let's discuss the mysteries that Christ wants to bestow upon us. Let's stop waiting for someone else to bring it up in priesthood. The time is now, our prophet has asked us to begin. He even blessed us with whatever we might need to make it happen, right from the pulpit. The call has come!
Thanks Brother Palmer. I love your posts and feel exactly the same on all points. I also love the garment. I remember I was traveling in some state as a young, lost, lonely person and was in a grocery store and saw a lady with a white blouse on and I could see she was wearing garments and it brought a flood of emotion and love for her and a love for all I was risking. Im back and will never leave and never take off the precious garment.
So the 24 buildings might already be almost complete:
Church Office Building
Tabernacle
Conference Center
FamilySearch Center
Church History Museum
Salt Lake Temple
Joseph Smith Memorial Building & offices inside
Beehive House
Relief Society Building
Welfare Square
Humanitarian Center
Church History Library
Assembly Hall
Visitor's Centers
Lion House
Church Administration Building
Granite Mountain Vault
Brigham Young University
What did I miss? Zions Bank? Notice how they all have different purposes as they should.
Dang! What great insights! Thank you
Fortunately we will all be judged individually and we are individually worthy in our own lives, people that think that those of the past weren’t worthy to receive all the Lords blessings are missing the point. I happen to agree with you about the New Jerusalem. I once had the blessing of being at a Stake Conference in SLC where Elder LeGrand Richards was the visiting authority, as he was speaking at the end of the conference time had run out, he asked the congregation, do you want me to continue or stop, everyone in one voice yelled, continue, he did, one of the greatest sermons I’ve ever witnessed. Thanks for all you do and share. Love you brother.
LeGrand Richards’ talk: “In the Mountain of the Lord’s House.” April 1971
Thank you!
Testimony meeting is for bearing testimonies, nothing else. We echo your sentiments.
I think about AZ. We have mountains surrounding our valley too and there are multiple temples in the area.
I am a temple worker and about 3 years ago when I was able to be in temple when numbers were limited and then as it opened we started going every day to do work for loved ones. We feel so blessed to have found out what temple attendance being on the high side can do for one’s testimony and soul, let alone marriage and relationships.
This was very interesting!!! For the first time, I agree with your position. 😊 Thankyou again, for sharing! Prayers for your family. 🙏💕🙏💕🙏💕
I love that you read all this about the New Jerusalem is already here. Thank you! The Lord will be there always!!!!❤ All part of the square. Gathering of Israel, both sides of the veil. All Temples having light and Christ will be in charge !!!
I completely agree on the testimony issue. I tell my children when we bare our testimony we talk about Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ, not about our personal lives in detail.
I haven’t heard you mention ‘THE CHOSEN’ film before. It’s absolutely exquisitely done. The depiction of the first miracle in cannan was wonderful. If one isnt watching this series you are missing SO much.
I mention it all the time. You must be getting me confused with someone else. We even rented out a whole theater for the first two episodes of season three. You must not listen or you have me confused. Sad.
It is so wonderful 😊 and I and some of my non member neighbors are discussing it after each new episode. I think it's definitely helping people think of Christ and hopefully building a desire to learn more. Dust off the Bible and read a little. I'm glad the church offered their Goshen Utah biblical set and I'm glad that the man who directs it is open to getting advice and ideas from different Christian and Jewish leaders. A beautiful joint effort.
I can barely listen to some of the other commentators but often do to learn from different perspectives. What I love about your lessons is that you use the scriptures, not LDS folklore. My husband and I have mulled over the New Jerusalem/Jackson County issue quite a bit. Something didn't seem to fit. Thank you! It all makes sense! I'm so glad I wasn't in that Sacrament meeting. There is so much going on in the world that I really need the Sabbath to rest and spiritually recharge. I don't want to hear about someone's sexual preference and I don't think children need to either. Still praying for Jane. I hope your visit works out!!
Thank you! God bless you!
I’m with you on new Jerusalem the great salt lake and the Dead Sea seem like the type of irony the Lord is into
Gosh Scott; your passion always inspires me. Wish I could be 100% either for or against, but I tread somewhere in the middle but loved your argument. I am 100% with you on our identity. That might be their struggle and I certainly have mine, but in Testimony Meeting we should just be focused on the Saviour and we should keep those personal struggles between us, the Saviour and Heavenly Father. Praying your family make it to Utah and your home. Let us know please.
It’s been awhile since I was at home in SLC, but from what I understand and witness in the news, that place will need to be cleaned up before anyone thinks of it as the New Jerusalem. Not to mention that the cost of housing is higher than can be afforded by anyone who wants to move there.
Jackson County MO is a pretty rough place as well. Not sure the housing cost. To me it’s all about the temple!
You could be right brother Palmer. But Salt lake is going to need a MAJOR cleansing and purification to be the new Jerusalem. It feels more like Sodom and Gomorrah right now. 😬
Oh, there will be a cleansing for sure!
I'm so glad you commented, because it sent my thoughts on a path of places and people that went through a major renovation and became reborn, holy. The first two that came to mind were Jericho and Mary Magdalene. But that is the power of Christ isn't it? Atonement. For a long time people have thought - in order to be holy, the person or place must be pure. But nothing and no one is pure, without Jesus. Then the thought came, that this corruption of Salt Lake City, is a fulfillment of prophecy.❤️
Thank you so much, a very hopeful train of thought. 🙏 I appreciate you.
Scott,
You should pass this info on to Jared, Christian Homestead who said he was going to do a deep dive into the New Jerusalem.
Yes Jared wanted quotes to back up SLC as NJ.
Jarred does the best videos .
Brother, I thank my Heavenly Father every day that you chose to move into our Ward after your Mission!!! You and your wonderful wife have Blessed our lives!! For a long time, I felt like I was alone in my beliefs and the way I felt the way I do about many things inside the Gospel and outside!! The First Time you mentioned Tombstone I about fell over, that you had picked up the same things out that I had. Love Ya Brother
Oh Dee, you are so kind. We have been the ones blessed to have met you and your sweet wife. We love you guys!
My husband and I both love your humanity and common sense! We both appreciate your candid stories and responses to people. We love, love, love you refreshing approach! You will be asked to be a great leader in the millennium no 🧐 doubt!! We hope to meet someday. In the great beyond.....
So kind. Thank you!
Testimony meeting has become open mic Sunday. Where everything goes and is said. Unfortunately, in so many wards it is no longer testifying of the Savior.
Our ward is usually overrun with the youth and many primary kids getting up and most times saying things that are embarrassing. So many say how "proud" (no such thing as righteous pride according to Pres E.B) they are of the youth getting up. I just lower my head and bare it. Occasionally one of those youth will be spot on and then THAT is inspirational. I yearn for testimonies that testify of Christ and lift me up. We don't get that too often.
Most people already know if a person is gay. No reason to announce it. If they don't know good for them, they are minding their own bussines.
I believe there is more than one New Jerusalem.
“What the French toast!!” Guffawing here. We love you Brother Palmer. Vent away. We relate I cringe because of all the four year olds who they say “Mommy, what’s queer?” So inappropriate in a place where little children are present.
Sadly, it seems like only the upper middle class and above can afford to buy a home in Salt Lake County these days. I thought degree of righteousness, not level of financial security, would be the primary deciding factor on who is called to live in the New Jerusalem.
I totally agree!! I live in Oregon and can’t afford a house in Utah for my family. thought it was suppose to be opposite.
My guess is that the problems with speculation on land and homes that causes huge increases won’t correct until wickedness is destroyed when the Lord returns or closer to when He returns.
@@yasdnil67 I totally agree!
I am middle class in Oregon but if we moved to Utah we would no longer be middle class… my husband job here as a deputy Sheriff pay is significantly higher then What Utah would pay. But I do agree until Christ comes or some how we have a market reset it going to stay.
You could bet if we sent a balloon over them they wouldn't think twice or hesitate to shoot it down.
I've been watching/listening to you for a few years now. I appreciate your demeanor... I call you my "easy listening" podcaster. I most appreciate when you address political issues of the day. On another note...it always baffles me when "teachers" of the gospel, when reading/referencing the Old or New Testament don't ALWAYS acknowledge the JST's! One of the scriptures you read in this podcast is one of my all-time favorite JST (which you didn't acknowledge) it can seem as though Jesus is talking "down" to his mother at the wedding in St. John 2:4...BUT the footnoted JST helps us confirm in our hearts (the HG testifying of truth not only to us personally but further testifying that the prophet Joseph Smith...was indeed a prophet of God) Jesus said to his mother per JST: "Woman, what wilt thou have me to do for thee?" ...SO much more loving and respectful! ...a very important footnote to acknowledge IMO.
THX
You made this video sometime back brother Palmer . But I am listening to it again . From time to time I just like to hear one of your talks .
Thank you brother
I think the alphabet soup thing is going away when the stuff starts hitting us, it will be a byline in the falling of our country
I can't help but think that the temple is being prepared for the savior's return! Really. What better place to welcome the Savior when he comes, I mean, could it be a coincidence that there will be great earthquakes when Jesus comes and the Salt Lake Temple is being so totally renovated to withstand earthquakes!!! I totally agree with you on this!
Do we know when the renovation is scheduled to be done?
Just sayin😉
2025 was the last that I heard
I feel the same way!
Sharon is correct. the temple was originally supposed to be finished the end of 2024, but it was bumped recently to the first part of 2025.
Your videos always inspire me thank you!
okay I will concede, Salt Lake City could be a suburb of New Jerusalem. That's as far as I will go. LOL
President Palmer, don't take this the wrong way but I sure do love you! I Love your outlook and I adore your wife! Give her my love! I mean it! I'll pray that your family will be able to visit you here in Utah. One of the many reasons I want Him to come soon, is that we'll be able to spend time with our favorite people, and you and Sue are some of my most favorite people! Life's been really hard for our family these last three and a half years. Especially for Dustin and his twins. But we've had tender mercies and I'm so grateful for my conversion to my Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ! I'm also grateful for your podcast, honestly it is a major tender mercy for me.
We love you too! Thank you for your kind words. You and your family are in our prayers.
A coming out happened in my daughter's ward on Sunday in Ohio also. A married man with children got up and announced he was trans. After that the rest of the so called testimonies were just a show of support. I fear that our testimony meetings are going to turn into coming out parties. We can love and be kind. But not encourage and support them down a dead end road.
Amen and amen! Thank you
We must stand for truth
For the miracle at the wedding feast use a Joseph Smith translation for the conversation between our Lord and his mother.
You are terrific. Thank you and God bless you.
This is pure gold Brother Palmer!!! GOLD! Yours is a voice of comfort for both me and my husband and your humor keeps us going and has provided a list of "Palmerisms" that never fail to make us chuckle 🤭🤣. We need Tshirts. 🙏😂 I am appalled at where I see things going but it only serves to remind me that this is what I've been waiting for. Sad but exciting at the same time. I can't remember the circumstances but years ago I was in a situation where I was traveling and didn't have clean garments so for the trip home I dressed without them. Ugh!!! First of all I felt naked/vulnerable and secondly I had forgotten how scratchy clothes feel against my skin. Very uncomfortable. Praying that Jane and family will be able to visit 🙏. Much love 💕😘💕
So good! Thank you!
Jackson county we'll be the new Jerusalem, I guess we can all be wrong sometime 😊.imo
I know it is hard to acknowledge quotes from prophets that don’t go along with your thinking. I’m just saying that perhaps it’s here now and we have been looking beyond the mark.
@@watcherpalmerlds it's not a big deal to me, if we live the gospel, my big issue is my church leaders aren't warning about anything, "all's well in Zion" and like you said when they have a gay choir singing on temple grounds, I'm afraid when God gets done with salt lake city there may not be much left, we are in the days , if he doesn't come back soon enough all will be lost. Just my opinion.
Amen brother! Amen!
Brother Palmer I won't lie but everytime I go to Costco (the location where I believe you shop) I look for you.
I love your thoughts and your courage. Some topics you share aren't easy to talk about. Those topics have been a strength to me through some tough times. During these times I struggled to make sense of a few things.
My father died just before covid and my father in law died the weekend everything was shut down. In these two great men I lost someone I could talk to and work out some of my own struggles as we faced difficult times. You have to a degree filled that role as you and I have had so many similar thoughts. Thank you for your efforts and I hope you know the comfort you have given to many.
So kind. Thank you so much. See you at the Ogden Costco!
I always enjoy listening to you. I hope you are right. I want the Savior to come soon.
I'm just hoping Boise is close enough to count. ha ha We do have two temples in the area so maybe we will be counted as a stake in Zion. I guess if the Lord told us to go back to Utah we would, but we're pretty happy here. I was just reading about the gathering of Israel in Jacob 5 today. I love that allegory.
The Future of the Church: Preparing the World for the Savior’s Second Coming By President Russell M. Nelson
Liahona April 2020
It is interesting Pres. Nelson cites the AoF #10 instead of the D&C scripture of Missouri being the New Jerusalem.
"He will govern from two world capitals: one in old Jerusalem (see Zechariah 14) and the other in the New Jerusalem “built upon the American continent” (Articles of Faith 1:10)."
Thank you Scott!! What happened to the scripture as a man thinketh so is he? Do we not follow that anymore? Is that not part of our teachings any more? No... cuz they "feel" like this that or the other. Ugh. I think I would have walked out. I just can't. It's sooo weird that the church allows us to "think" about not being a man or a woman of God. Weird that it's ok to "think" about being with same sex. NOT GOOD. We should only think about our true identity as a son or daughter of God. Also, New Jerusalem here in the SL Valley, totally plausible. Yet another thing they aren't saying flat out this is or isn't. Where is Pres. ET to speak straight. No mincing (literally).
Ok I'm not getting anything done cause i had to listen twice! I love those thoughts about the SL temple! You know, add to that the $ and time they are putting into making that temple stable enough to last through the millennium! I'm pretty sure Brigham Young said it would last, and Pres. Nelson is making sure. I've never heard that of any other temple. Fascinating! btw I am a descendant
of Abraham Palmer as well, but through the 3rd wife :)
Pro-tip: To make your channel more "inclusive", try hosting a drag show on your channel for all the kids! It's all the rage, and UA-cam will love you. Jk, jk. Loved the video as always. Great stuff. Praying for your grand daughter's family to able to come out to visit you in Utah.
I'd watch Bro. Palmer in a drag race, if he's got a cool car to race.
I agree. Thanks for the reminder about the fulfillment of the purposes of Missouri. I believe the "waters flowing from under the temple" prophecy has to do with the people coming in and out of the temple (as it will be when the Salt Lake Temple is finished).. We are the modern day Jews because we believe the bible to be the word of God and are willing to keep his commandments and do his ordinances. And, I am looking forward to the rededication of the Salt Lake Temple. I believe it will be a world-wide event among the church members, perhaps the 144,000 gathered on Mount Zion who will be enjoying the feast as they are worthy to attend this awesome acceptance of the temple (his house) and his bride. I mean think about it, in a Jewish wedding during the year of betrothal the groom goes off to prepare a place for his bride, and she helps too. And when he is ready, he comes to consulate the marriage and feast. We are his. And soon we feast.
Is it possible that SLC is A new Jerusalem and Missouri is THE new Jerusalem? Can there be more than one New Jerusalem?
Digressed…. I agree. Thanks for continuing
I don't think it matters the physical location of the New Jerusalem... that is up to God. What matters most is where are hearts ❤️ is. In the JST in Genesis 9 it tells us that The Lord made a covenant with both Enoch and Noah that the 🌈 represents the covenant that when WE the Children of Israel would begin to look up.... ( meaning seek His face by receiving the Baptism of 🔥 ). He has would send Zion back to the 🌎. Are we Seeking His Face here in this life? See D&C 93:1?
Those are some good thoughts Scott. One thought I had about the first miracle was connected to the first miracle showed to Moses. With Moses the Lord changed a staff into a serpent and his hand into leprosy and back again. The Lord demonstrated his power over the elements.
Love this video so much!! Agree 100%
You’re not mean… your being “truthful” a true Israelite in whom there is no guile or deceit.
Whoa. I didn’t hear in any record before; that joseph smith came from the loins of Abraham! I had a waking vision that showed me this many years ago. And There is so much more to this I’m unable to speak.
It was stated by Brigham Young that Joseph was a "pure Ephraimite".
No one is saying the early Saints 'weren't good enough'.
I served in the Utah Provo Mission (Spanish Speaking) back in 2006-2007. Utah has so many of these folklore traditions. My favorite was near St. George where a guy was telling us about mummified remains of 8 foot tall Jaredites, that were craves. I asked him to take me to them, he said "you're not consecrated too".
Utah is a indeed a special place, with interesting people indeed.
There have been "giant" remains found in the Southern part of the U.S. also.
The New Jerusalem is a center place, a center city which shall be built up and established as the head-
quarters of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Its location will be Independence, Jackson
County, Missouri. “We believe… that Zion (The New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American
continent” (Articles of Faith 1:10). “Zion, the New Jerusalem, on American soil! And we hasten to add,
so also shall there be Zions in all lands and New Jerusalems in the mountains of the Lord in all the earth.
But the American Zion shall be the capital city, the source whence the law shall go forth to govern all
the earth. It shall be the city of the Great King. His throne shall be there, and from there he shall reign
gloriously over all the earth. Bruce R. McConkie, Millennial Messiah, p. 301-2
Or how about Elder Holland. “Christ, who is the great ‘messenger of
the covenant,’ did come to the first temple in this
dispensation, in Kirtland, Ohio, on April 3, 1836.
He has, of course, come to other temples and will
yet do so-particularly in Jerusalem and Jackson
County, Missouri-as part of the culmination of
his majestic second coming.” (Christ And The
New Covenant, p. 294))
Great quote. Thank you. You will be much better off with Elder Holland’s words than mine. Everyone would be better off with Elder Holland’s words than mine. Especially me. Thank you.
MOVE ON…. Right! Just like when we lost the 116 pages… this didn’t trump up the Book of Mormon. The Lord instructed to move on… no worries
Love your raw “all over the place” honest thoughts👍🏽
I think the evidence you supplied is solid!
It makes the most sense.
JST clarified what Jesus really said. What so ever you want me to do, that I will doFor my time has not come. So much clearer
I love how you explore all different kinds of topics and your honesty of thought. I'm curious about your thoughts about Revelation 21:1-2. I'm sure you've looked at it and this is the scripture that comes to my mind, personally when I think of the new Jerusalem. It doesn't really nail down where it is but it seems to me that it speaks to when it is. Chapter 20 is about the millennium and judgment and then Chapter 21:1-2 says: "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I john saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." How do you see this from a timing perspective?
I believe John was referring to the City of Enoch in these verses. Coming down from heaven.
It is possible that Salt Lake is a precursor to Jackson County... just as Kirtland was a precursor to Nauvoo... and Nauvoo to Salt Lake. The New Jerusalem may be after the building up of the Kingdom from Salt Lake... in the prophesies. It is also possible that Zion may mature to be like Enoch and then the Prophet of God may move the whole city (Salt Lake) to Missouri... as the brother of Jared moved a mountain. We just do not know what the Lord has in mind.
It’s always nice to keep that carrot dangling in front of us.
Yes! Yes! And Yes again! Please say it louder and again! I am looking now for his coming. It is upon us. Thank you Bro. Palmer.
The end of days Brother Palmer
😮 What happened? I left a link to an online copy of the 1958 National Geographic magazine that features an article titled, “Geographical Twins, A World Apart” that compares Jordan River in Utah to Jordan River in Israel and the Great Salt Lake to the Dead Sea with their Capital cities approximately in the same place.
Remarkable similarities! I thought it supports what you’re saying! However, it was removed. Wanting to know if I did that by error adding the link, or what?
Also: got my first Cardio Miracle! Yeah, it makes a difference, I’ll do a video on it.
I'll watch it. Subscribing now.
Looking forward to hearing about your results. Wonderful stories everywhere.
@@comocardio the man himself! It is the first few minutes of the video I posted yesterday (latest video) and it is titled, “Men’s Hearts Shall Fail Them.”
Such a wonderful video, by the way you are looking so good. That cardio miracle is showing it’s working wonders. Don’t know if you will give your thoughts on this question, you have so many comments. I fully agree with you on the New Jerusalem. I think why there are some that disagree is it is in their patriarchal blessings that they will go back to Missouri and help build the New Jerusalem, isn’t the words given in these blessings from the Lord or part of it from the Patriarch? I will pray it works out for your children to come visit.
If you read this and have a chance would you mind telling me which Israel tour company you used? Thank you so much. I love your channel and your insights.
ua-cam.com/video/kMP7d76zyso/v-deo.html. This is the link to the most fantastic tour group. Pastor Fink is an evangelical minister, but I found him to be so knowledgeable and kind. I’ve also been on my own and on an LDS tour as well. I highly recommend pastor Fink.
Thank you so much. Their itinerary looks great.
The mountain of the Lord's house.....doesn't the Salt Lake temple look like a series of granite peaks?
God, being... "in the details of the details of the details"...
It is interesting to consider the similarity of the old Jerusalem to Salt Lake City (New Jerusalem?).
In old Jerusalem, Jordan's life-giving water flows south (down--a symbol of dying as the city of God).
In Utah, Jordan's life-giving water flows north (up--a symbol staying the "Higher & Holier" city of God???)
The Great Salt Lake is the equivalent of the Dead Sea (full of salt).
Lake Utah is the equivalent of the Sea of Galilee... with the Jordan River flowing between.
Provo (MTC) would be the equivalent of Capernaum (which was on the northwest shore of the Sea of Galilee)--the place where Peter and others were called and went out from with Jesus... to be missionaries--fishers of men.
Love your fire!!! I really think your on to something!!!
Interesting thoughts. Wondering about a few things. In the Bible dictionary under the word Zion it says that the city of the NewJerusalem, to be built in Jackson County Missouri, is to be called Zion. In D&C 133 it says that the land of Jerusalem and The land of Zion, shall be turned back into their own place...(will it end up back in Missouri when the earth is no longer divided?). The new Jerusalem is suppose to be a place of peace and safety and refuge and the wicked will not come into it (D&C 45) . So if it is SL are you thinking it would eventually become this?
There has to be a New Jerusalem for scattered Israel to return to. The temple is the place of peace and safety. It is also the place the wicked will not come into. Once Christ comes, everything changes. The earth and the people will be changed and quickend. I know it says the new Jerusalem will be in Jackson county. Bruce R McConkie contributed much to the topical guide and dictionary. He was an amazing individual. I love him. I do have a different opinion on this. If you have noticed, the new Jerusalem in Jackson county has not really been preached by the Brethren for many years. Just my thoughts
Thank you!
I believe it will be in Jackson county. There is so much more destruction that will happen that there is no point in building it now. The time is not right. We will gather to build it. God can move mountains. Why not His temple?
If the saints dont know that planets sat in the ancient heavens and what the ancients peoples called those planets and what legends and stories they put to them were, than they probably dont know that there will be a new arrangement of planets in our future millennium skies. They will cause such a catastrophic change upon earth during their return that (paraphrasing Brigham I believe) that "there wont be so much as a yellow dog to wag its tail in missouri" because the flooding and earthquakes that will happen will literally change the landscape to where the church's property is right now. It will be unrecognizable.
I believe after learning about these planets returning (Joseph talked about them alot) that they will rest in the skies above "Adam Ondi Ahman" which is where Adam, our Father and our God dwelt, (where Joseph said was the garden if eden). These planets with their electric charges will rest upon that place and will make a refuge for the saints that can enter therein by the light that they carry and by their high vibration. No unclean or dark or low vibrational human or humanoid will be able to withstand the power of it.
We know that the city of Enoch is a planet that has been broken off of Earth, it needs to return from where it was taken which is the Gulf of Mexico. We know that lost tribes will be returning on some of these pieces that have been broken off, the last one was broken off during the crucifixion according to the Prophet Joseph. The Prophet Joseph also said the last great sign of the coming of the son of man would be a comet, a planet. All these things show that there will be orbs returning to Earth Skies, until we see these things we can know that new New Jerusalem has not returned.
Many mysteries and things not talked about. There are symbols all over the Salt Lake Temple and the temple grounds and on top of the conference center that are designs that these planets made in the skies. Just more proof that there will be new designs made in the future Skies
We are going to keep getting more evil until the Jesus comes back
We look forward to The Return of THE KING of Kings!
Come on, Scott! The Lord himself said Jackson County is where the New Jerusalem will be built. Why there? Because that’s where the Garden of Eden was located.
It could have been the Garden of Eden, but the references to that are all second and third sources. Some of those sources also say that Joseph found alters of Adam and Eve there. The same source also stated that Joseph said that the City of Enoch was in the Gulf of Mexico. All this could be true, but it is really speculation. IMO
@@watcherpalmerlds I heard about the possibility of the Gulf being where the city of Enoch was, while in seminary. I also spent my mission mostly on the Gulf of Mexico, and had a second training area as Gulf Breeze, FL.
And there are people in SanPete county who will show you an alter of Adam behind the Manti Temple. . .
There are a lot of members receiving impressions to move to MO. don’t count Jackson County out just yet.. a small town of Trenton has had over 200 Tongan families move there within the last year. Families are moving in droves on the mere impression to do so.. it will be interesting to watch and see what the Lord has in store
@@watcherpalmerlds Yeah, but those sources include prophets, Brigham Young and Wilford Woodruff. Hard to dispute those.
Isaiah says... the Law should go forth out of Zion (the New Jerusalem)--the mountain of the Lord's house... established in the top of the mountains?
Isaiah 2: 2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord’s house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
Look at vs one. The first meaning is about Judah and Jerusalem.
There is no need to build in Jackson County if there are no Saints there. If that is to be the governmental center place, then that will be built after DC is abolished. (In my opinion) SLC is acting New Jerusalem as far as I am concerned. Then if and when needed, a new governmental capital can be established. Love this, on point. 10 Lost Tribes are being found, they are the pure in heart, the elect. 10 also means completion, if there is a mass group, then it would come in temple work or after the Savior returns.
So people are annoucing there gayness in Sacrament Meeting in the New Jerusalem?
That’s right. The New Jerusalem is about the covenant and the temple, not about individuals. We are still in a tellestial state. When Chris comes we will no longer be in that state and hopefully no queer proclaiming from the pulpit.
Revelation 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. A furlong is 660 feet, so it calculates out to be 1500 miles. Driving distance from SLC to Independence MO. Is 1,086 miles. Depending on how you define center place of Zion, both could be in the borders.
You have done well brother Palmer. This one is definitely a keeper. Maybe your best yet .
Wonderful. I think you may like the Mormon Yeshiva channel. It’s interesting.
I love that channel!
"My prophet quote is better than your prophet quote." -- I keep seeing this attitude in several different LDS-themed podcasts. Bro. Palmer, your videos are really great, and I agree with almost everything you say. However, we will agree to disagree on the New Jerusalem location. I acknowledge the quotes you shared, however, the quote from the SL temple dedication prayer is "In past ages Thou didst inspire with Thy Holy Spirit Thy servants, the prophets, to speak of the time in the latter days when the mountain of the Lord's house should be established in the tops of the mountains, and should be exalted above the hills. We thank Thee that we have had the glorious opportunity of contributing to the fulfillment of these visions of Thine ancient seers" - which clearly (to me) speaks of the temple being built in the mountains, and it HAS been fulfilled. But, that prayer was given long before cross-referencing and footnotes ever came about - so, I'm not convinced Pres. Woodruff was saying what you think he said, by connecting all the footnotes and other references. As others have mentioned, I stick with Joseph Smith. The Lord has often "changed His mind" on things. And who's to say He didn't just give those words of "New Jerusalem" to the early saints in order to give them encouragement, comfort, support, and reason for staying in Utah and building up the home base of the church for the next 160+ years....
What about LeGrand Richards?
New Jerusalem or Zion won't be fully built until people like the city of Enoch become translated. That glorious city.
I don’t think that is true. Those living will not be translated until Christ comes. The New Jerusalem will exists before and in preparation for His return, thus we do not need to be translated. IMO
also since there is much restate in that area (Adam-ondi -Ahman) perhaps Father will let Enoch and his righteous city settle it