This is absolutely heartbreaking and was a grievous abuse of power. The actions taken by FWC were needless and rash. These individuals had no training nor authority to euthanize these snakes and didn't even bother to have a licensed veterinarian oversee the procedures.
Holy shit, I despise the state more and more as I get older. The FWC says, "these snakes are ours now, but you have to feed, house, clean, and pay for their care until we can stop by to shoot a nail into their head." So, not only do they kill your snakes without warning, they murder your beloved pet, and to top it all off they make you pay for it all. Governments seemingly around the world have gotten way, way out of hand. It's time that we reign them in. Disgusting behavior like this is a good place to start holding them accountable. P.S. You say they accidentally killed the Boa, but the guy in the blue saw and comprehended the sign on the enclosure. He was either too much of a coward to say anything, or he deliberately kept quiet.
The worst part about this whole thing to me is that those snakes were all tap trained - meaning you would tap them with a snake hook to let them know it was not food time and not to strike at the handler. All those years building trust with these animals and then it gets used so you can take them out and kill them without getting bitten it breaks my heart
I hope all reptile keepers understand the importance of supporting both USARK and USARK Florida. This was such an upsetting tragedy, and we definitely need to see some education and reform happening within the FWC.
Thanks for talking to this without the shock value of video footage. What happened and those deeds were downright awful and atrocious. I am not brought to tears easily, but I couldn't watch what was happening without not only bawling, but becoming physically ill. And I grew up on a farm! As a person with native American heritage, I was appalled at how easily these people took the lives of these creatures without any respect to their spirits.
Yeah sooo I'm just gonna come out with it: I'm a snake owner and breeder who has worked in private conservation in the past, not as a LEO, but I've known a few LEOs well enough. So I've been on both sides of this issue, and I'm comfortable saying the way this went down was astoundingly bad... Like, it boggles my mind to think about the steps FWC had to have taken to botch this up so badly. I can easily understand why so many people think this was intentional... I agree with them. The ways in which all of this could have been averted are too numerous to list off the top of my head. This wasn't just the officers screwing up, this was *all* of Florida FWC screwing up - from the top down. Beware of federal/state conservation agencies. They aren't what they appear to be.
They appear to be hives of government overreach and incompetence, at least to me. You can always trust government to screw things up massively, then take zero responsibility, and face no consequences for their actions. If they by some miracle do give the appearance that they will face consequences for their actions, it's never jail time, and any recompense they pay you comes from the taxpayers, not from the individuals responsible for said actions. Also, it's this bad in America, imagine how bad it is in other places.
I’m not a snake owner but I can clearly see the passion and love snake breeders have for their animals and they cannot fathom how FWC could just walk in and kill a perfectly legal snake after they were told numerous times they could not kill that boa constrictor. Thankfully I live in Texas where reptile ownership is still legal and I hope to get my first snake one day. Even if it’s just a small grass snake.
Actually Texas took after Florida when banning the sale of retics and burms within the state. Breeders have to sell them out of state. Texas is very much in danger of becoming like Florida, I know of a retic breeder in Texas who thinks he's "safe" because he's permitted, well so was Coffee until FWC made those permits obsolete. He DOES have to worry but is sticking his head in the sand when we need people like him speaking out, he called Coffee stupid for owning "illegal animals" that he WAS permitted for and had them all chipped etc.
@@JuiceBoxx_627 What I mean is that we still have huge reptile expos here like the NARBC and people can still own bearded dragons, tarantulas and leopard geckos here.
I was blindsided by a video the next day showing the graphic footage of what happened. To say I lost it was an understatement. I started screaming. I suffer from PTSD from horrific events of my past. UA-cam, in all their idiocy, had no disclaimer, no warning, nothing to inform me I was to see someone murdering snakes just because they were the wrong kind of snakes. I’m sorry, I’ve had to stop your video part way through ‘cause I thought I was getting sick. I’m still breaking down in tears if I think of it. Thank you, Bob for not showing footage. I respect you very much, and now respect you even more for your consideration. Blessings!
I don't know if you've already seen Clint's Reptiles' video on this issue, but Clint also avoided showing the footage -- it's good that the footage was made public, but it's not appropriate to be shown indiscriminately. I'm sorry you were hurt by the footage; you're right that there was little warning given for (all? most?) of the shorts covering this issue.
I don't think I've seen *anybody* give a warning before showing the footage. This video has been popping up in my recommended for a few days but I was avoiding it because I didn't want to be blindsided with the footage again. I'm only watching it now because someone linked it and mentioned that there is no footage shown in this video. I understand the need for awareness and the fact that showing how horrible what happened was gets people motivated to write to their congressperson and so forth, but I can't watch it again. I can't. I don't want to hear the sound of the bolt gun either. Thank you for not including the footage in this video.
I live in Fort Lauderdale about ten miles from where this happened. I've been saying for a long time that FWC is out of control. I plan on going to the May I1th FWC meeting in Miami next week. Everyone who has exotic pets should be concerned about this. These FWC officers did this deliberately and sadistically.
The shop I used to work at here where I live in FL had the FWC come in and do the exact same thing to their collection of Tegu and Iguana, who were not breeders or anything. Turns my stomach. I had no idea this was happening, and thank you for telling us this. I'll light a candle for those sweet noodle babies tonight.
1) Thank you so so much for deciding to do a well thought out video on this. I think it’s so important. You are such a positive influence on so many, and it’s so crucial that everyone is informed. 2) Thank you for not showing clips…you’re right…it’s already seared into some our minds. 3) Thank you for reminding us all to remain professional and respectful in speaking out.
I became a USARK bronze member after the massacre. It broke my heart so bad and made me angry all the same. I'm not from the US but animal suffering and injustice concerns all of us.
Hi Bob, thank you for taking the time to make this video. I know how difficult it must've been. As painful as it is to be continuously reminded of this tragedy, we need to make sure this doesn't fade into the background but continues to spread to not just reptile keepers but animal lovers everywhere.
This is so horrific and it must have been hard to take such a measured approach in the face of that. I hope the guys who owned them are OK. I can't even imagine what they went through. It's because it's snakes, isn't it? I mean, imagine the uproar if someone went in and did that to peoples' cats and dogs.
Thanks for the measured video Bob, I saw one part of the snakes being killed and it was too much. I am planning to call my local fish and wild game department and ask that they do not perform similar actions in my state. From this event, I decided to throw down and volunteer as the Phoenix Herpetological Sanctuary to give back. It's been a lot of hard work, but I have never felt more satisfied. Id recommend to anyone who is able to channel their anger, and sorrow from this event and try to give back, adopt an animal, or donate to their ability.
Also don’t let it be lost on anyone that our governor has his sights on higher political office outside Florida. So feel free to let our governor know how you feel about FWC, but please keep it civil and respectful. Just let him know how you feel and that you vote. 2024 is right around the corner
My granddaughter is a red tailed Boa named Kevin. She spent her first winter sleeping in my shirt when her heater broke. She roamed free in my daughter's college apartment with a lot of girls and now she is huge. Love her soooo much.❤😊
I saw that video on youtube shorts and it caught me absolutely off guard. It made me bawl my eyes out.. I can‘t even begin to imagine the pain Bill went, and is still going, through..💔
All I did was read the article and it made me sick to my stomach. I have had my first BP, Persephone, for 2 months and I wouldn't know what to do if someone hurt her! Thank you for giving more information on this devastating situation.
As others said, thanks for not showing video, I can't bring myself to watch it after seeing images in the articles. I am a USARK member and just joined the FL chapter! It makes me so, so sad for all those snakes, dying so terribly, and for Chris. I hope the FWC is held accountable for this inhumane event. Thanks for putting together this difficult video with some next steps we can take to protect our pets of all types.
I think the owner of the boa should be compensated in total, for the value of the boa, it’s babies and for the years it will take to get a new female and get her sexually mature. No it should not fall on the Florida taxpayers. The agency shouldn’t be paying for it, nor should an insurance company. IT NEEDS TO COME DIRECTLY OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS. Might that devastate them financially? Maybe that’s better than the victim being financially devastated…
Thank you Bob. Truly do appreciate the level headed approach to such a delicate matter. Thank you for taking the time to share this important knowledge.
Worst thing of seen in 35 years or so of keeping exotics, outside of the way people are torturing invasive species like Iguanas over there. I joined USARKFL and donated to the go fund me. I'm spreading the word as much as I can. Legal Boa or not, not one of those properly caged animals needed to die. Should be a world wide uproar. Breaks my heart.
Thank you for making this video, as a keeper and friend to animals, this is a very hard pill to swallow. But it takes a lot of courage to speak up for what you believe in, and I’m doing my part. Joining USARK, and USARK Florida! I love my animals, and love seeing others with the same passion, and will continue to share this information with other animal lovers and owners. I will not sit idle and let someone else take away something that we as a community hold so dear. JOIN USARK!
Hey Ken! This is Chris from Georgia- I’m Jennifer’s friend from Black box enclosures. Love your video and what you had to say about Holy Thursday. I’m unhinged about it right now, which is why I can’t do a video on it. That being said, the research I’ve done on veterinary research papers regarding bolt gun use, they all say using a bolt gun is ethical, and this is what the FWC uses and will continue to use- which is brutal. Per the law, the officers did nothing wrong, except for the boa. Emailing desantis sounds good, but I personally don’t believe he cares about this subject, especially with the Disney thing going on. If you look at each of the commissioners he appointed, NONE of them have degrees that deal with herpetology or even the eco system. If he cared he would have appointed experts in these areas, not business majors. That being said I’ve done each of the things you recommended, but if you also look at the May 10th FWC meeting web page, there is a spot where you can email them letters for discussion during the meeting. I sent a five page letter to them, as a vertebrate population biologist, offering my services for free to help update their rules and standards. We shall see…
I'm glad you took action! The fact that this is probably a "minor issue" to the governor is why we need to continue contacting his office about it - we need to make some noise to shine some light on it... You're right, the only "illegal" thing they did was to kill the boa. They didn't follow proper procedures for use of that bolt gun which made all the killings inhumane.
Thank you for not showing the video, my heart breaks and stomach turns every time I watch it, also thank you for this video. So many are still learning about this tragedy and it is not the first time it's happened, However this was on personal video and thank god for that !!!!!
I was absolutely shocked and horrified when I found out about this. I’ve been having nightmares about people coming into my house to kill my snakes. I watched the footage NERD posted and the officers identified the boa as a boa several times and still killed her.
Thank you for deciding to make this video. Your channel is one of only a few reptile community channels that I'm able to watch regularly, so I am definitely not seeing too much on this topic. Plus, I always appreciate and respect your insight and knowledge.
Thank you for sharing this, I hadn't heard anything about it until now. Really appreciate you not sharing the video or going into detail because what you shared was enough to bring me to tears. Will always support US Ark in their amazing role, especially in all of this, but cops don't even go to prison for killing the wrong human beings, let alone the wrong snakes. Absolutely horrifying tragedy and my heart goes out to every one of those babies that endured that torture. I can't even imagine what kind of person you have to be to perform an act of power so outrageous and the fact that they wield that power over animals every day makes me sick.
You are absolutely right that it happens all the time because the one guy that was actually doing it said it's a mistake and happens all the time that tells you all you need to know.
Goodness thank you my friend for you time and willingness to spread information. I was oblivious to usark and lacey acts ect until crossing people like yourself caring to spread the information. Many thanks. I hope i can do my part to help out as well and keep this love going through the next generations to come.
This is the most detailed (and seems to be the most truthful…. From what I can see) video about this event. I really appreciate your reporting on this. Much respect to you sir. This incident was unconstitutional
I also did a viseo on this on my channel, and since then, Clints Reptiles has done a few videos, and the most recent one he says the FWC personnel did NOT have permission from “higher ups” as they stated on the camera footage, to euthanize the snakes to begin with!! This just makes a horrific tradgedy so much worse. 😢
Thanks for the video, Bob, I know it wasn't fun but it was important. Thanks for walking the walk with this subject and bringing to light good ways to be proactive.
Thanks for the breakdown of succession of events. I've watched a lot of videos on the massacre and this is the only one that I found info on the events that led to the massacre. My heart still aches for these scaly babies and their owners 😢
Anyone wanting to be boots on the ground for USARK, there's a gathering taking place in Miami, Florida on May 10th-11th. If you need more details, check in with Kayla of Military Morphs or Nicole of Ladytis Exotics. They have further details. Thank you for making this video Bob. I know subjects like this are hard to speak about but I'm so glad so many people are spreading the word and not letting this just fade away. 🤘🏻❤️🔥 More channels with videos on the Holy Thursday Massacre: Intrepid Exotics NERD USARK Florida If anyone watches the footage McAdam shot, pay close attention to the guy in the blue shirt. You'll understand what I mean when you see it.
@@kayfse8373 Yes, and Clint's Reptiles also doesn't show the footage, for those who want the details, but don't want to watch the videos of the actual events as they were happening.
I want to point out a mistake in your dialoge. You said "in 2001 Florida fish and wildlife did away with the conditional species permit" I believe you meant to say in 2021. Just pointing that out as you may not have caught it during editing. This is a great video! It happens at 3:21 of the video
@@GreenRoomPythons it totally happens especially if you were saying this permit was going on for about 10 years before they changed it. I'm glad to see as many Reptile youtubers as I can making videos about this and you had some really important points to add on how it should be addressed. Thanks Bob! 😊
Taking out your anger on snake keepers for the invasive python issue is misplaced. The overwhelming majority of the problem came from a warehouse that was used for breeding and storage for the pet trade, that got destroyed in Hurricane Andrew in the early 1990’s. So to blame the snake hobbyists is wrong.
Unfortunately there had been a well established population long before hurricane Andrew. Burmese pythons had become relatively popular in the 70s and 80s with almost nobody saying "it might be bad if you release these when they get too big". The destroyed breeding facility added to the problem but it had become an issue years before. I think most keepers now are responsible enough to know not to release them but it was a pretty common practice back in the day unfortunately.
I understand the need to not be abusive/aggressive to FWC while talking about this. But I'm just saying, if it was 20+ dogs, no one would care about the words used, they would want blood.
Thank you so much for sharing. I did not know about this and am absolutely heartbroken to hear about this event. I have to run into work, so please disregard if this is at the tail end, but I would love a follow up video of what we can do to help.
Thank You for this and not showing the video, It’s heartbreaking. I’m preparing to get a gray banded Kingsnake and do not have any snakes now but I use to have a boa , who passed away at 17yrs because he got cancer. Our boa, Zeppelin, was the most amazing snake and a part of our family and it just made us so sick seeing someone kill innocent beautiful creatures the way that they did.😢
I have been following this channel from the beginning, to this very day I am amazed about the amount of knowledge and professionalism in these video's. I once in a while stop by. By the way Bob, I do not have my ball python anymore, because when I eventually had it, I gradually found out I just was not ready yet for the actual long-term commitment and there were some personal life uncertainties that popped up. However first I made sure he had a good home and someone taking good care of him the way I did. As again, I still love to watch your videos, maybe there will come a day where I am ready for it, but not for the coming years.
Love all your videos and just wanted to say you’re doing a great job. What happened was a tragedy and you inspired me to sign up for us ark and your Patreon so that I can support and be apart of this change somehow ❤
I don’t have reptiles (though I love hognoses), but I think your message about communicating calmly and not threatening is important. I have horses and we kind of get the same crazy horse person label. I think niche pet people need to stick together, but also we need to learn to be better communicators. 😂 But thank you for explaining this event so clearly. I had heard about it on the Snake Discovery group but didn’t really understand why it was so bad. As an aside, I found you via the Snake Discovery build off.
Hi Bob, baring the horrible loss and tragedy of the awful situation, I’ve been trying to find that 3D printed geometric toy that your little boa is lounging on for my little boy. Do you happen to have a link to purchase this?
Honestly, as a Belgian person watching this whole situation going on its just absurd. I am also not allowed to own a retic if i have one and i get caught, the animal protection authority will confiscate the snake and rehome it in a local zoo or even ship it across the border to the Netherlands where this species is legal to keep as a pet. Why do these animals have to be euthanised??? The FWC could confiscate them and rehome them outside of the state with the help of USARK to a state where they are legal. Killing pets is as unethical and barbaric as can be...
All these "laws" are disgusting and should be abolished. Seems like it was made only to make people's lives more miserable, not to mention the animal's lives. If the law forbids perfectly innocent practice to be conducted inside one's own home... why should any self-respecting person respect such "law"? It's horryfying and disgusting. My heart breaks for everyone involved... BESIDES the police in this instance...
What my friend and I said on our livestream when it came to submitting comments for FWC's May 10th-11th meeting was: - Be stern, but professional - No violent accusations - No threats - Be as clear and concise as possible - Be thoughtful. Don't only rant. Have a constructive goal to your comment.
This absolutely DISGUSTS ME I'm thinking about how I would feel if that was me or even my friend who has a shop these animals deserve justice and the FWC NEEDS TO TAKE BLAME
How horrific. I have seen many videos on this but couldn’t bring myself to watch them. Glad I didn’t because just hearing the story is incredibly heartbreaking. Thank you for overview. Reminded me of the pitbull ban in a city I used to live in. I was supposed to have mine registered but their laws were so extreme I was afraid of something like this happening to my dog one day so I opted to never have her registered. Regardless of the law I felt that was the more responsible choice for my dog…
To finish that thought, it is even more disheartening that someone who did everything they needed to in order to comply with the law was treated so terribly. He is in my thoughts.
I don't know what city you lived in@@Mobesly10 but this has happened in several cities, including Cincinnati where I live. Registration, then bans, followed by forced euthanasia now that they had a handy list of all the registered pit bulls (not even an actual breed, btw, but a list of physical characteristics). That is what happened with FWC too. This legislation is despicable... and ineffective at addressing the problem they're trying to address.
We have 2 Ball Pythons Dutchy a male about 3 feet long 600 g and our Female snowy a Pye 2100g they are family members this story made me so sad and can I say your by far my favourite Ball expert i love your UA-cam channel even our dog pud watches your Channel love from the UK from Me Marie Pud, Dutch and Snowy x
I have 2 female boas one Colombian one Argentine. thanks for covering this I’ve been preaching as much as I can as well. They can’t even tell the difference, they have no business governing anything. They could be killing native snakes, while smiling.
Florida seizing this collection the most insane thing I have ever heard in my life a collection like that might cost 6 or $700 a week just to feed in florida seasons them but then tells you you have to maintain them that's insane
Idk about all of the details, but I seen a clip the police officer looked right at the enclosure tag! I think they knew exactly what they were doing when they “mistakenly” put her down. In my opinion it was not a mistake.
I had NOT heard of this. Oh how horrific for them and for Chris. I will not be looking to watch those videos. This is no different than had they entered someone’s home and killed their pets of any species.
FWC should have no jurisdiction in homes and businesses. If they want to hunt invasive species, fine. If _real_ law enforcement comes across a banned species in someone's home - through lawful interactions - and want to consult with FWC, fine. Their job is fish and wildlife *conservation.* Nothing living in an enclosure is a threat to fish or wildlife. Their actions are akin to shooting dogs in people's yards, because they _might_ get out and start eating things that other animals eat. Insanity. If snakes had fur, FWC never would have gained the power they have. Notice how they aren't dispatching cats, even though there's an insanely large feral cat population. Why? Because that would upset tens of millions of people, who would take to the streets in protest. It's all just the same song with slightly different lyrics. They don't want to get their hands dirty dealing with the real problems, so they go after regular folks who are just trying to live their lives. That way, they can bolster their numbers, tell the public that they're "doing something" and keep their cushy government jobs. There were these trials in Nuremberg. People claimed they were "just following orders." It wasn't a valid defense then and it shouldn't be, now. Qualified immunity has gone _way_ too far.
i live in florida, and i love snakes, and i watched this while crying. i have a pet ball python... and i simply CANNOT imagine somebody coming in, and slaughtering her like that... i just- CANNOT. the way that they killed those innocent, helpless, vulnerable creatures is just HORRIFIC. i hope that others feel this way as well.
I definitely want to be a usark member. I don't money right now to do that. Snakes aren't that cheap to feed. Plus add on supplements and decor. I spend over $400 a year on snake and food. I do have 12 snakes now though... I will try harder to figure out though. It is very important to me!
It's all relative I guess. I was just comparing it to if you had a dog. You would probably spend more on dog food annually then you do total for all 12 snakes ;-)
But that's another good point that really played into this because fish and wildlife are not trained to deal with captive collections they're not experts at taxonomy and that is why the 1.4 million dollar boa was killed
I know this is an old video, but I think it's important to point out that they actually were not supposed to lose their snakes at all. In 2021, when this was passed, anyone who owned snakes legally was supposed to stop breeding, but were permitted to keep their animals for their natural lives, as any previously registered snakes were covered under a grandfather clause. There are multiple quotes from the people in charge of the passing and enforcement of that law specifically stating that nothing like this was supposed to happen, and no one was supposed to be choosing between rehoming or euthanizing any animals. Those quotes are below. The reason they were supposed to be there was to make sure all the snakes were accounted for, in a response and completely illegal punishment for Chris doing exactly what he thought he was supposed to, and what the law appeared to say he was supposed to. Even if he didn't need to get rid of the animals, he was under the belief that he did, and there was no law against him doing so. Yet he got in legal trouble, had his animals seized as discussed in this video, and they were slaughtered illegally. A lot of people have talked about how the boa was not supposed to be euthanized - rightfully so, as that is horrific - but it is equally horrific in my eyes that *all* of these snakes were specifically and clearly given permission to continue to live out peaceful lives with their keepers until their natural passing. Every single snake involved in this absolutely heart-wrenching failure of FWC officers to know the laws and enforce them properly, as well as to take any sort of care at all to know one snake from another, lost their lives in a senseless, heartless, painful, and completely unnecessary action. This information took me a single google search to find, meaning the FWC officers should have just as easily if not moreso been able to avoid this and make the proper call. My heart goes out to Chris for the unfair loss of his animals all because he tried to be a responsible keeper and citizen and follow the laws to the letter. The footage is horrible to watch, and I myself only saw a small clip of it, but it is disturbing how comfortable these people seemed with what they were doing. It was shrugged off as "just part of the job", but there are images of them smiling as they looked at the still-writhing snakes laid on a floor covered in remnants of them and the others. They tossed the half-living snakes to the side and in garbage cans as though they were objects, and they ignored the reality of the fact that in multiple cases, these snakes were still moving as they were thrown around. It was as though they believed their lives were worthless to begin with. I can't imagine working with wildlife and reacting the way they did to this. When they call this a massacre, there is no exaggeration or stretch of the term needed. It is brutal, and I don't recommend you watch it unless you are sure you can handle it, as there is graphic imagery throughout. The bit of solace comes at the end when they are screamed at for the loss of the boa, but they deserved much more than just that. They deserve legal repercussions. "I want to make sure the public's aware that if you currently own one of these reptiles, you're allowed to keep it until it's death. So no one is telling you you have to get rid of your pet or euthanize it and no one from the state is going to take it from you." Rodney Barreto , Chairman - Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission - Public commission meeting February 25, 2021 "Their pets are their pets and they are going to continue to be their pets and we made sure that it was very clear." - Mike Sole, Former Vice Chairman - Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission, Public commission meeting February 25, 2021
wait but why were they even killed anywayyyyyy!?!? this is so sick to me😢😢😢and then the way they did it. I’m literally sick to my stomach fr and those poor baby snakes knew they were about to die too smh. 🥺
This is absolutely heartbreaking and was a grievous abuse of power. The actions taken by FWC were needless and rash. These individuals had no training nor authority to euthanize these snakes and didn't even bother to have a licensed veterinarian oversee the procedures.
Holy shit, I despise the state more and more as I get older. The FWC says, "these snakes are ours now, but you have to feed, house, clean, and pay for their care until we can stop by to shoot a nail into their head." So, not only do they kill your snakes without warning, they murder your beloved pet, and to top it all off they make you pay for it all. Governments seemingly around the world have gotten way, way out of hand. It's time that we reign them in. Disgusting behavior like this is a good place to start holding them accountable.
P.S. You say they accidentally killed the Boa, but the guy in the blue saw and comprehended the sign on the enclosure. He was either too much of a coward to say anything, or he deliberately kept quiet.
The worst part about this whole thing to me is that those snakes were all tap trained - meaning you would tap them with a snake hook to let them know it was not food time and not to strike at the handler. All those years building trust with these animals and then it gets used so you can take them out and kill them without getting bitten it breaks my heart
I hope all reptile keepers understand the importance of supporting both USARK and USARK Florida. This was such an upsetting tragedy, and we definitely need to see some education and reform happening within the FWC.
Thanks for talking to this without the shock value of video footage. What happened and those deeds were downright awful and atrocious. I am not brought to tears easily, but I couldn't watch what was happening without not only bawling, but becoming physically ill. And I grew up on a farm! As a person with native American heritage, I was appalled at how easily these people took the lives of these creatures without any respect to their spirits.
Yeah sooo I'm just gonna come out with it: I'm a snake owner and breeder who has worked in private conservation in the past, not as a LEO, but I've known a few LEOs well enough. So I've been on both sides of this issue, and I'm comfortable saying the way this went down was astoundingly bad... Like, it boggles my mind to think about the steps FWC had to have taken to botch this up so badly. I can easily understand why so many people think this was intentional... I agree with them. The ways in which all of this could have been averted are too numerous to list off the top of my head. This wasn't just the officers screwing up, this was *all* of Florida FWC screwing up - from the top down.
Beware of federal/state conservation agencies. They aren't what they appear to be.
They appear to be hives of government overreach and incompetence, at least to me. You can always trust government to screw things up massively, then take zero responsibility, and face no consequences for their actions. If they by some miracle do give the appearance that they will face consequences for their actions, it's never jail time, and any recompense they pay you comes from the taxpayers, not from the individuals responsible for said actions. Also, it's this bad in America, imagine how bad it is in other places.
It was pretty obvious, it was intentional.
They were not really the best actors.
After killing the Boa, it was so obviously fake acting.
I’m not a snake owner but I can clearly see the passion and love snake breeders have for their animals and they cannot fathom how FWC could just walk in and kill a perfectly legal snake after they were told numerous times they could not kill that boa constrictor. Thankfully I live in Texas where reptile ownership is still legal and I hope to get my first snake one day. Even if it’s just a small grass snake.
Actually Texas took after Florida when banning the sale of retics and burms within the state. Breeders have to sell them out of state. Texas is very much in danger of becoming like Florida, I know of a retic breeder in Texas who thinks he's "safe" because he's permitted, well so was Coffee until FWC made those permits obsolete. He DOES have to worry but is sticking his head in the sand when we need people like him speaking out, he called Coffee stupid for owning "illegal animals" that he WAS permitted for and had them all chipped etc.
@@JuiceBoxx_627 What I mean is that we still have huge reptile expos here like the NARBC and people can still own bearded dragons, tarantulas and leopard geckos here.
@@slaughterhater yes, for now, unless we stop this.
I'm a Florida resident, ESC permit holder, and a USARK Florida Gold member.
I was blindsided by a video the next day showing the graphic footage of what happened. To say I lost it was an understatement. I started screaming. I suffer from PTSD from horrific events of my past. UA-cam, in all their idiocy, had no disclaimer, no warning, nothing to inform me I was to see someone murdering snakes just because they were the wrong kind of snakes.
I’m sorry, I’ve had to stop your video part way through ‘cause I thought I was getting sick. I’m still breaking down in tears if I think of it. Thank you, Bob for not showing footage. I respect you very much, and now respect you even more for your consideration. Blessings!
I don't know if you've already seen Clint's Reptiles' video on this issue, but Clint also avoided showing the footage -- it's good that the footage was made public, but it's not appropriate to be shown indiscriminately. I'm sorry you were hurt by the footage; you're right that there was little warning given for (all? most?) of the shorts covering this issue.
I don't think I've seen *anybody* give a warning before showing the footage. This video has been popping up in my recommended for a few days but I was avoiding it because I didn't want to be blindsided with the footage again. I'm only watching it now because someone linked it and mentioned that there is no footage shown in this video.
I understand the need for awareness and the fact that showing how horrible what happened was gets people motivated to write to their congressperson and so forth, but I can't watch it again. I can't. I don't want to hear the sound of the bolt gun either.
Thank you for not including the footage in this video.
Hey, whatever happened to you in the past,I hope you heal and find peace xoxo
I live in Fort Lauderdale about ten miles from where this happened. I've been saying for a long time that FWC is out of control. I plan on going to the May I1th FWC meeting in Miami next week. Everyone who has exotic pets should be concerned about this. These FWC officers did this deliberately and sadistically.
The shop I used to work at here where I live in FL had the FWC come in and do the exact same thing to their collection of Tegu and Iguana, who were not breeders or anything. Turns my stomach. I had no idea this was happening, and thank you for telling us this. I'll light a candle for those sweet noodle babies tonight.
1) Thank you so so much for deciding to do a well thought out video on this. I think it’s so important. You are such a positive influence on so many, and it’s so crucial that everyone is informed.
2) Thank you for not showing clips…you’re right…it’s already seared into some our minds.
3) Thank you for reminding us all to remain professional and respectful in speaking out.
I became a USARK bronze member after the massacre.
It broke my heart so bad and made me angry all the same.
I'm not from the US but animal suffering and injustice concerns all of us.
Hi Bob, thank you for taking the time to make this video. I know how difficult it must've been. As painful as it is to be continuously reminded of this tragedy, we need to make sure this doesn't fade into the background but continues to spread to not just reptile keepers but animal lovers everywhere.
This is so horrific and it must have been hard to take such a measured approach in the face of that.
I hope the guys who owned them are OK. I can't even imagine what they went through.
It's because it's snakes, isn't it? I mean, imagine the uproar if someone went in and did that to peoples' cats and dogs.
Bob, I’m making the trip to Miami to let FWC know what we think about this.
Thanks for the measured video Bob, I saw one part of the snakes being killed and it was too much. I am planning to call my local fish and wild game department and ask that they do not perform similar actions in my state.
From this event, I decided to throw down and volunteer as the Phoenix Herpetological Sanctuary to give back. It's been a lot of hard work, but I have never felt more satisfied. Id recommend to anyone who is able to channel their anger, and sorrow from this event and try to give back, adopt an animal, or donate to their ability.
Also don’t let it be lost on anyone that our governor has his sights on higher political office outside Florida. So feel free to let our governor know how you feel about FWC, but please keep it civil and respectful. Just let him know how you feel and that you vote. 2024 is right around the corner
I'm glad you're taking action like that!
My granddaughter is a red tailed Boa named Kevin. She spent her first winter sleeping in my shirt when her heater broke. She roamed free in my daughter's college apartment with a lot of girls and now she is huge. Love her soooo much.❤😊
Thank you for being a role model for us all. This makes me look at you with so much respect. 🎉❤
I saw that video on youtube shorts and it caught me absolutely off guard. It made me bawl my eyes out.. I can‘t even begin to imagine the pain Bill went, and is still going, through..💔
All I did was read the article and it made me sick to my stomach. I have had my first BP, Persephone, for 2 months and I wouldn't know what to do if someone hurt her! Thank you for giving more information on this devastating situation.
As others said, thanks for not showing video, I can't bring myself to watch it after seeing images in the articles. I am a USARK member and just joined the FL chapter! It makes me so, so sad for all those snakes, dying so terribly, and for Chris. I hope the FWC is held accountable for this inhumane event. Thanks for putting together this difficult video with some next steps we can take to protect our pets of all types.
I had ChatGPT write a script and emailed it to the governor. I also join USARK FL. 👍🏼
I think the owner of the boa should be compensated in total, for the value of the boa, it’s babies and for the years it will take to get a new female and get her sexually mature. No it should not fall on the Florida taxpayers. The agency shouldn’t be paying for it, nor should an insurance company. IT NEEDS TO COME DIRECTLY OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS. Might that devastate them financially? Maybe that’s better than the victim being financially devastated…
Thank you Bob. Truly do appreciate the level headed approach to such a delicate matter. Thank you for taking the time to share this important knowledge.
Worst thing of seen in 35 years or so of keeping exotics, outside of the way people are torturing invasive species like Iguanas over there.
I joined USARKFL and donated to the go fund me.
I'm spreading the word as much as I can.
Legal Boa or not, not one of those properly caged animals needed to die.
Should be a world wide uproar.
Breaks my heart.
Thank you for making this video, as a keeper and friend to animals, this is a very hard pill to swallow. But it takes a lot of courage to speak up for what you believe in, and I’m doing my part. Joining USARK, and USARK Florida! I love my animals, and love seeing others with the same passion, and will continue to share this information with other animal lovers and owners. I will not sit idle and let someone else take away something that we as a community hold so dear. JOIN USARK!
Thanks for keeping a spotlight on this.
Hey Ken! This is Chris from Georgia- I’m Jennifer’s friend from Black box enclosures. Love your video and what you had to say about Holy Thursday. I’m unhinged about it right now, which is why I can’t do a video on it. That being said, the research I’ve done on veterinary research papers regarding bolt gun use, they all say using a bolt gun is ethical, and this is what the FWC uses and will continue to use- which is brutal. Per the law, the officers did nothing wrong, except for the boa. Emailing desantis sounds good, but I personally don’t believe he cares about this subject, especially with the Disney thing going on. If you look at each of the commissioners he appointed, NONE of them have degrees that deal with herpetology or even the eco system. If he cared he would have appointed experts in these areas, not business majors. That being said I’ve done each of the things you recommended, but if you also look at the May 10th FWC meeting web page, there is a spot where you can email them letters for discussion during the meeting. I sent a five page letter to them, as a vertebrate population biologist, offering my services for free to help update their rules and standards. We shall see…
I'm glad you took action! The fact that this is probably a "minor issue" to the governor is why we need to continue contacting his office about it - we need to make some noise to shine some light on it... You're right, the only "illegal" thing they did was to kill the boa. They didn't follow proper procedures for use of that bolt gun which made all the killings inhumane.
Thank you for not showing the video, my heart breaks and stomach turns every time I watch it, also thank you for this video. So many are still learning about this tragedy and it is not the first time it's happened, However this was on personal video and thank god for that !!!!!
I was absolutely shocked and horrified when I found out about this. I’ve been having nightmares about people coming into my house to kill my snakes. I watched the footage NERD posted and the officers identified the boa as a boa several times and still killed her.
Saw this. Absolutely horrific. I cannot imagine that being done right in the other room. I'd fight to hell for my baby ball
Thank you for deciding to make this video. Your channel is one of only a few reptile community channels that I'm able to watch regularly, so I am definitely not seeing too much on this topic. Plus, I always appreciate and respect your insight and knowledge.
I had no idea about this so I am glad you did a video. This is so sad, I hope this warrants change.
Thank you for sharing this, I hadn't heard anything about it until now. Really appreciate you not sharing the video or going into detail because what you shared was enough to bring me to tears. Will always support US Ark in their amazing role, especially in all of this, but cops don't even go to prison for killing the wrong human beings, let alone the wrong snakes. Absolutely horrifying tragedy and my heart goes out to every one of those babies that endured that torture. I can't even imagine what kind of person you have to be to perform an act of power so outrageous and the fact that they wield that power over animals every day makes me sick.
Everything in this video 💯💯💯! And thank you for reminding, I will become a member of USARK!
Florida is a dystopian nightmare right now. This horrible tragedy is a small part of a far worse problem.
You are absolutely right that it happens all the time because the one guy that was actually doing it said it's a mistake and happens all the time that tells you all you need to know.
Well said Bob, thank you for making a video on this and keeping the conversation going
Goodness thank you my friend for you time and willingness to spread information. I was oblivious to usark and lacey acts ect until crossing people like yourself caring to spread the information. Many thanks. I hope i can do my part to help out as well and keep this love going through the next generations to come.
Thank you for speaking on this tragedy Bob
Appreciate you. Thanks for using your voice
This is the most detailed (and seems to be the most truthful…. From what I can see) video about this event. I really appreciate your reporting on this. Much respect to you sir. This incident was unconstitutional
Thanks for the video. We need as many videos and posts as possible. Especially level headed passionate ones.
Thanks for covering this.
Its important as many people know as possible. So effin sad.
Well done Bob. Glad you did this.
I hope that the FWC is held accountable, maybe even rebuilt from the bottom up.
My heart goes out. I feel your compassion. I can't imagine someone coming in and killing all my babies.
I also did a viseo on this on my channel, and since then, Clints Reptiles has done a few videos, and the most recent one he says the FWC personnel did NOT have permission from “higher ups” as they stated on the camera footage, to euthanize the snakes to begin with!! This just makes a horrific tradgedy so much worse. 😢
Thank you!
subs going up brother!!! so happy for you
Thanks for the video, Bob, I know it wasn't fun but it was important. Thanks for walking the walk with this subject and bringing to light good ways to be proactive.
Thanks for the breakdown of succession of events. I've watched a lot of videos on the massacre and this is the only one that I found info on the events that led to the massacre. My heart still aches for these scaly babies and their owners 😢
Thanks for speaking to this Bob. I signed up for USARK membership after learning about this well after the fact.
"Calling for consequences for the officers and calling for consequences of the fwc. We are not trying to demolish the FWC "
Anyone wanting to be boots on the ground for USARK, there's a gathering taking place in Miami, Florida on May 10th-11th. If you need more details, check in with Kayla of Military Morphs or Nicole of Ladytis Exotics. They have further details.
Thank you for making this video Bob. I know subjects like this are hard to speak about but I'm so glad so many people are spreading the word and not letting this just fade away. 🤘🏻❤️🔥
More channels with videos on the Holy Thursday Massacre:
Intrepid Exotics
NERD
USARK Florida
If anyone watches the footage McAdam shot, pay close attention to the guy in the blue shirt. You'll understand what I mean when you see it.
Clints reptiles has a good video as well
@@kayfse8373 Yes, and Clint's Reptiles also doesn't show the footage, for those who want the details, but don't want to watch the videos of the actual events as they were happening.
I want to point out a mistake in your dialoge. You said "in 2001 Florida fish and wildlife did away with the conditional species permit" I believe you meant to say in 2021. Just pointing that out as you may not have caught it during editing. This is a great video! It happens at 3:21 of the video
Thanks for pointing that out, yes I definitely meant 2021.
@@GreenRoomPythons it totally happens especially if you were saying this permit was going on for about 10 years before they changed it. I'm glad to see as many Reptile youtubers as I can making videos about this and you had some really important points to add on how it should be addressed. Thanks Bob! 😊
Made me cry 😢hearing the leaked footage and the sadness in his voice after they killed the mama boa 🤦🏼♀️😭
Taking out your anger on snake keepers for the invasive python issue is misplaced. The overwhelming majority of the problem came from a warehouse that was used for breeding and storage for the pet trade, that got destroyed in Hurricane Andrew in the early 1990’s. So to blame the snake hobbyists is wrong.
Unfortunately there had been a well established population long before hurricane Andrew. Burmese pythons had become relatively popular in the 70s and 80s with almost nobody saying "it might be bad if you release these when they get too big". The destroyed breeding facility added to the problem but it had become an issue years before. I think most keepers now are responsible enough to know not to release them but it was a pretty common practice back in the day unfortunately.
Appreciate you doing this bud.
I understand the need to not be abusive/aggressive to FWC while talking about this. But I'm just saying, if it was 20+ dogs, no one would care about the words used, they would want blood.
Thank you so much for sharing. I did not know about this and am absolutely heartbroken to hear about this event. I have to run into work, so please disregard if this is at the tail end, but I would love a follow up video of what we can do to help.
Scratch that. I had to finish the video. Beautifully said ❤❤❤
Thank You for this and not showing the video, It’s heartbreaking. I’m preparing to get a gray banded Kingsnake and do not have any snakes now but I use to have a boa , who passed away at 17yrs because he got cancer. Our boa, Zeppelin, was the most amazing snake and a part of our family and it just made us so sick seeing someone kill innocent beautiful creatures the way that they did.😢
I have been following this channel from the beginning, to this very day I am amazed about the amount of knowledge and professionalism in these video's. I once in a while stop by.
By the way Bob, I do not have my ball python anymore, because when I eventually had it, I gradually found out I just was not ready yet for the actual long-term commitment and there were some personal life uncertainties that popped up. However first I made sure he had a good home and someone taking good care of him the way I did.
As again, I still love to watch your videos, maybe there will come a day where I am ready for it, but not for the coming years.
Glad you're still enjoying the videos Max. I'm sure you found a great home for that snake.
Love all your videos and just wanted to say you’re doing a great job. What happened was a tragedy and you inspired me to sign up for us ark and your Patreon so that I can support and be apart of this change somehow ❤
Thanks so much, I appreciate that!
I don’t have reptiles (though I love hognoses), but I think your message about communicating calmly and not threatening is important. I have horses and we kind of get the same crazy horse person label. I think niche pet people need to stick together, but also we need to learn to be better communicators. 😂 But thank you for explaining this event so clearly. I had heard about it on the Snake Discovery group but didn’t really understand why it was so bad. As an aside, I found you via the Snake Discovery build off.
Hi Bob, baring the horrible loss and tragedy of the awful situation, I’ve been trying to find that 3D printed geometric toy that your little boa is lounging on for my little boy. Do you happen to have a link to purchase this?
"Keep it on subject about this one particular event" "stay professional"
This is just horrible, I feel so bad for everyone involved.
Honestly, as a Belgian person watching this whole situation going on its just absurd.
I am also not allowed to own a retic if i have one and i get caught, the animal protection authority will confiscate the snake and rehome it in a local zoo or even ship it across the border to the Netherlands where this species is legal to keep as a pet. Why do these animals have to be euthanised??? The FWC could confiscate them and rehome them outside of the state with the help of USARK to a state where they are legal. Killing pets is as unethical and barbaric as can be...
All these "laws" are disgusting and should be abolished. Seems like it was made only to make people's lives more miserable, not to mention the animal's lives. If the law forbids perfectly innocent practice to be conducted inside one's own home... why should any self-respecting person respect such "law"? It's horryfying and disgusting. My heart breaks for everyone involved... BESIDES the police in this instance...
I'm sorry to hear all that 🙏🏾 praying that it gets all fixed. Btw how did you make that ball
The ball was 3D printed
Ok thank you . I found the I can use a hol-ee roller ball I'm gonna take it and screw it onto a box. Stay blessed 🙏🏾 sir.
@@GreenRoomPythonsOh lol I thought they were talking about the ball python
Well done!!
What my friend and I said on our livestream when it came to submitting comments for FWC's May 10th-11th meeting was:
- Be stern, but professional
- No violent accusations
- No threats
- Be as clear and concise as possible
- Be thoughtful. Don't only rant. Have a constructive goal to your comment.
Every keeper in Florida need to peacefully protest fwc 6:20
This absolutely DISGUSTS ME I'm thinking about how I would feel if that was me or even my friend who has a shop these animals deserve justice and the FWC NEEDS TO TAKE BLAME
How horrific. I have seen many videos on this but couldn’t bring myself to watch them. Glad I didn’t because just hearing the story is incredibly heartbreaking. Thank you for overview.
Reminded me of the pitbull ban in a city I used to live in. I was supposed to have mine registered but their laws were so extreme I was afraid of something like this happening to my dog one day so I opted to never have her registered. Regardless of the law I felt that was the more responsible choice for my dog…
To finish that thought, it is even more disheartening that someone who did everything they needed to in order to comply with the law was treated so terribly. He is in my thoughts.
I don't know what city you lived in@@Mobesly10 but this has happened in several cities, including Cincinnati where I live. Registration, then bans, followed by forced euthanasia now that they had a handy list of all the registered pit bulls (not even an actual breed, btw, but a list of physical characteristics). That is what happened with FWC too. This legislation is despicable... and ineffective at addressing the problem they're trying to address.
We have 2 Ball Pythons Dutchy a male about 3 feet long 600 g and our Female snowy a Pye 2100g they are family members this story made me so sad and can I say your by far my favourite Ball expert i love your UA-cam channel even our dog pud watches your Channel love from the UK from Me Marie Pud, Dutch and Snowy x
😞 I feel like a broken record. All I can say now is very sad and unacceptable. I have said my thoughts on other channels but it just sucks.
That is so heart breaking 😢
I have 2 female boas one Colombian one Argentine. thanks for covering this I’ve been preaching as much as I can as well. They can’t even tell the difference, they have no business governing anything. They could be killing native snakes, while smiling.
Florida seizing this collection the most insane thing I have ever heard in my life a collection like that might cost 6 or $700 a week just to feed in florida seasons them but then tells you you have to maintain them that's insane
These are the actions of a tyrannical agency.
Idk about all of the details, but I seen a clip the police officer looked right at the enclosure tag! I think they knew exactly what they were doing when they “mistakenly” put her down. In my opinion it was not a mistake.
I had NOT heard of this. Oh how horrific for them and for Chris. I will not be looking to watch those videos. This is no different than had they entered someone’s home and killed their pets of any species.
Where did you get the hexagon thing or what’s it called?
It was 3D printed
Agreed there was no way they haven't done this before.
FWC should have no jurisdiction in homes and businesses. If they want to hunt invasive species, fine. If _real_ law enforcement comes across a banned species in someone's home - through lawful interactions - and want to consult with FWC, fine. Their job is fish and wildlife *conservation.* Nothing living in an enclosure is a threat to fish or wildlife.
Their actions are akin to shooting dogs in people's yards, because they _might_ get out and start eating things that other animals eat. Insanity. If snakes had fur, FWC never would have gained the power they have. Notice how they aren't dispatching cats, even though there's an insanely large feral cat population. Why? Because that would upset tens of millions of people, who would take to the streets in protest.
It's all just the same song with slightly different lyrics. They don't want to get their hands dirty dealing with the real problems, so they go after regular folks who are just trying to live their lives. That way, they can bolster their numbers, tell the public that they're "doing something" and keep their cushy government jobs.
There were these trials in Nuremberg. People claimed they were "just following orders." It wasn't a valid defense then and it shouldn't be, now. Qualified immunity has gone _way_ too far.
Omg this is heart breaking!
i live in florida, and i love snakes, and i watched this while crying. i have a pet ball python... and i simply CANNOT imagine somebody coming in, and slaughtering her like that... i just- CANNOT. the way that they killed those innocent, helpless, vulnerable creatures is just HORRIFIC. i hope that others feel this way as well.
omg Bob it lt just breaks my heart ..
Utterly disgusting and barbaric.
I definitely want to be a usark member. I don't money right now to do that.
Snakes aren't that cheap to feed. Plus add on supplements and decor.
I spend over $400 a year on snake and food. I do have 12 snakes now though...
I will try harder to figure out though. It is very important to me!
It's all relative I guess. I was just comparing it to if you had a dog. You would probably spend more on dog food annually then you do total for all 12 snakes ;-)
I morn the loss such sweet innocent creatures.
I couldn't watch the video, it killed me to think such a bad thing to happen.
But that's another good point that really played into this because fish and wildlife are not trained to deal with captive collections they're not experts at taxonomy and that is why the 1.4 million dollar boa was killed
I know this is an old video, but I think it's important to point out that they actually were not supposed to lose their snakes at all. In 2021, when this was passed, anyone who owned snakes legally was supposed to stop breeding, but were permitted to keep their animals for their natural lives, as any previously registered snakes were covered under a grandfather clause. There are multiple quotes from the people in charge of the passing and enforcement of that law specifically stating that nothing like this was supposed to happen, and no one was supposed to be choosing between rehoming or euthanizing any animals. Those quotes are below.
The reason they were supposed to be there was to make sure all the snakes were accounted for, in a response and completely illegal punishment for Chris doing exactly what he thought he was supposed to, and what the law appeared to say he was supposed to. Even if he didn't need to get rid of the animals, he was under the belief that he did, and there was no law against him doing so. Yet he got in legal trouble, had his animals seized as discussed in this video, and they were slaughtered illegally. A lot of people have talked about how the boa was not supposed to be euthanized - rightfully so, as that is horrific - but it is equally horrific in my eyes that *all* of these snakes were specifically and clearly given permission to continue to live out peaceful lives with their keepers until their natural passing.
Every single snake involved in this absolutely heart-wrenching failure of FWC officers to know the laws and enforce them properly, as well as to take any sort of care at all to know one snake from another, lost their lives in a senseless, heartless, painful, and completely unnecessary action. This information took me a single google search to find, meaning the FWC officers should have just as easily if not moreso been able to avoid this and make the proper call. My heart goes out to Chris for the unfair loss of his animals all because he tried to be a responsible keeper and citizen and follow the laws to the letter.
The footage is horrible to watch, and I myself only saw a small clip of it, but it is disturbing how comfortable these people seemed with what they were doing. It was shrugged off as "just part of the job", but there are images of them smiling as they looked at the still-writhing snakes laid on a floor covered in remnants of them and the others. They tossed the half-living snakes to the side and in garbage cans as though they were objects, and they ignored the reality of the fact that in multiple cases, these snakes were still moving as they were thrown around. It was as though they believed their lives were worthless to begin with. I can't imagine working with wildlife and reacting the way they did to this. When they call this a massacre, there is no exaggeration or stretch of the term needed. It is brutal, and I don't recommend you watch it unless you are sure you can handle it, as there is graphic imagery throughout. The bit of solace comes at the end when they are screamed at for the loss of the boa, but they deserved much more than just that. They deserve legal repercussions.
"I want to make sure the public's aware that if you currently own one of these reptiles, you're allowed to keep it until it's death. So no one is telling you you have to get rid of your pet or euthanize it and no one from the state is going to take it from you." Rodney Barreto , Chairman - Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission - Public commission meeting February 25, 2021
"Their pets are their pets and they are going to continue to be their pets and we made sure that it was very clear." - Mike Sole, Former Vice Chairman - Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission, Public commission meeting February 25, 2021
How could those officers who carried this out live with themselves? I’m not a snake owner, but this breaks my heart.
wait but why were they even killed anywayyyyyy!?!? this is so sick to me😢😢😢and then the way they did it. I’m literally sick to my stomach fr and those poor baby snakes knew they were about to die too smh. 🥺
The video he is referencing is truly barberic. One of those guys was clearly enjoying killing those snakes. They knew what they were doing.