Animal Locomotion - Objectivity 137
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- The amazing work of Eadweard Muybridge --- and why the Royal Society did not publish it!
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Featuring Keith Moore from the Royal Society with Brady.
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Protest against unreasonable demonetization!
Great Video
Hello fellow Tim :)
Yah, really can’t believe that any advertiser would take an issue with this content
Idk I have seen an add before the start. Maybe they changed their mind?
Lorenz Kiraly Yeah, now I also saw an ad before the video. The protest worked^^
@@federsen4337 i do as well have an ad, protest must have been successful.
GIF's of ye old times ^^
Some funky encoding around 4:10.
I just heard the Hello Internet episode that got recorded back when this was first uploaded and got temporarily demonetized, and when Brady mentioned that before this no one really knew in detail how animals moved, that blew my mind. It seems so obvious that we didn't have the ability to watch movement in slow motion (or as a sequence of images at all) for most of human history, but it never occurred to me. It feels weird thinking about how many things we weren't able to know until fairly recently because we couldn't watch things in slow motion.
Splendid work Brady, youtube should cherish creators like you.
PSA: Most of the plates on animal locomotion are on wikimedia commons, for those interested. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Animal_Locomotion
now back to the podcast
Gotta agree with you Brady, it's an absolute shame objectivity doesn't get more views. Very interesting!
Thank you so much for featuring Eadweard Muybridge. As a photographer, I always felt like the fact that his stuff wasn't particularly well received by the Royal Society was one of the greatest injustices in science. Not his fault, or the Royal Society's, really - just Muybridge's terrible employers and the terrible intellectual property laws at the time. What happened to the guy was one of the big personal tragedies of people who push science to new directions while enduring terrible hardships. But at least he has been pretty much vindicated since. ...at least as far as his scientific achievements go, at least.
History suggests that Muybridge's mistake was not first appearing on the soap opera Neighbours, an error not repeated a hundred years later when an Australian presented her own thesis on locomotion to great acclaim.
American, and I understood that reference.
EADWEARD
Spelling back in the day was wild!
"Cattle guy"!! Ha-Ha!! We are talking about the man who Stanford University is named after! Cows he had indeed! Did you know that at that time Mr Stanford was the largest producer of brandy in California, as well?! Great video Brady!! Keep up the good work!
I think probably that Stanford had the law on his side: it used to be that if you hired a photographer to make photographs, a portrait or covering a wedding, the copyright lay with the commissioner. In a situation like that it makes sense, and we're also used to photographs made by, say, military photographers of the USA being in the public domain because the USA owned the rights, not the photographer. In this case, of course, it was a great injustice, but it's not the first time, nor the last, that intellectual property law, especially in the USA, produces injustices and absurdities. But Galton was (half) right: the photographs are everything.
I've seen the jockey on the horse before, I think lots of people would have, but wow! I had no idea the set was so extensive. Pretty incredible stuff, baffling the RS didn't publish it.
So even in those early days the videos were freebooted... what a world we live in!
bad puns are life giving
Came here from Hello Internet... who's the ginger? Sounds familiar.
Spoiled by Brady's face, that's funny haha
Another interesting and fascinating video. In addition nice to see Keith again. Please keep on the good work.
Whats up with the video at 4:08?
Interesting Video again though! :)
Royal Society ghost making a cameo appearance, of course.
Everybody's doing a brand new dance now
Keith's back!!! :D
Jolly good, Keith's back :D
This guy killed his wife's lover, btw, and got off scot free, which is another interesting story.
Oh yes, I think Keith mentioned something about that.
Strange duck all round
8:10 oh look, it’s a Bradypus!
Nude Fencing, very very interesting.
mike fox where do I sign up?
I’m happy that this video got demonotized. 0.3 seconds with 3 pixels worth of man-meat is far more than anyone should ever be subjected to in a lifetime.
Brady Haran: Calling Leland Stanford, Governor of California, Founder of Stanford University, and railroad baron a 'cattle guy' lmao
Those images are great!
Actually, in the USA just about anything you create can potentially be claimed by your employer under intellectual property law. Unless you have a contract specifically saying otherwise. Sure the courts might find in your favor, but maybe not. Your case is especially weakened if it's a creation in a field related to your employment (eg. if you take a photograph and your employer pays you to take photographs).
Work for hire is a thing but one wonders how it worked in this time. The requirement for a contract was probably just as important then as it is now. Providing a temporary contract, equipment and facilities isn't the same as being a regular employee where it might be more clear cut. Certainly is curious.
Omg Brady, you have a greyhound? I LOVE greyhounds!
The family in the show "Rick and Morty" has a series of the horse gallop hung in their home.
Brady, you could have inserted a bit of video of Lulu the greyhound running in slow motion after Muybridges version.
Awesome!
Brilliant, as usual. PS: There is an anecdote that Muybridge got started with this after taking a bet that he could prove that a horse can have all four legs in the air as it runs. And he won the bet.
omg the handwriting!
the most naughtiest episode
Looks like monetization has been turned back on? Or at least I got an ad in front of this... :-)
Wasnt there a French scientist who did the same thing before Muybridge? Now I cant think of his name of course. And the fact that someone else did this doesnt decrease the value of his work but If the Frenchman was already published it would have been another issue for the Society to publish Muybridges work.
If the royal society didn't publish it because someone did it before him, I'm sure they would have mentioned the Frenchman in the letter
Ok found the name, Eteene-Jules Marey he published his work on animals in motion in 1873. I knew that I had read something about him but I just couldnt remember his name. Amazing accomplishments from this man in his life.
Don't think I would characterize the Society referee's decision as "wrong" given that he didn't have the benefit of 150 years of hindsight. I don't know how widespread the knowledge of Stanford and Muybridge's dispute was at the time but the paper without the photos isn't very compelling and with some prior paper already published, seems like the referee couldn't in good faith have made any other decision.
8:01 Keith said "[...] got the *refereeing process* wrong, I think." (Emphasis mine)
I don't pretend to speak for Keith but I gleaned that he thought they should have done a little more investigation into the incident before coming to a conclusion, not that the conclusion based on what they had was wrong.
Nice
I came from Snappy-Snapperson. Great video.
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Animation reference gold
WOW!
Unbelievable that this would run into trouble with the YT bots. It would seem that YT have no idea of context. Which is probably what an algorithm fails at.
Sorry, at which an algorithm fails.
Well I guess they did kind of get published now
That image reminded me to everyframeapainting. I miss Tony.
Yeh, where's Tony?
Snappy Snapperson!
Is there a way for us to se more of these videos?
Naughty Brady😀
6:36 And I thought I had bad handwriting...
The first gifs
Hopefully you are still monetized on this by YT Red
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0:50 OVERSIZE
Hello internet in the house!!!
Snappy mofo snapperson!
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Hello internet!
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Um... I just came from Hello Internet. I was shown an ad. Huh? Demonetized?
Demonetize just means Brady doesn't get the revenue, not that there aren't ads.
Harrison Cwiklinski Me too.
Flagged for nudity! Absolutely shameful!!!
Snappy Snapperson is quite the persuasive man, but Miss Bell is just better at getting my attention
Any 'every frame a painting' fans here?
Brady so hot right now
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Came from snappysnapperson :)
Like if you watched this after listening the Hello Internet #91
#NotMyReferee
Flag for nudity dubbed standeds 🤪
Nobody cares if you came here from Snappy Snapperson.
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And who gives a fuckity fuckerson.
+Brenda M. Thanks - it's good to see you.
crush537 Brady Braderson, hard as nails, of course!! Who else?
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