The ENTIRE UFC/MMA Iceberg Explained
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If you want to deep dive into the iceberg of ufc and mma then this is the explainer video for you. Linked below is the original reddit post, like I said this one could do with some improvement and us as a collective can change that, so go there and lets give the original poster some love whilst giving him a chance to improve it. Thanks for watching this long video, it's not my usual content and so if you are intrested in MMA and UFC fighters psychology breakdowns then head to my channel where you will find a growing number of videos on this topic.
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Time Stamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:59 - Tier 1
01:25 - Tier 2
16:03 - Tier 2 Old
27:31 - Tier 3
40:21 - Tier 3 Old
55:33 - Tier 4
1:13:50 - Tier 4 Old
1:25:20 - Tier 5
1:38:38 - Tier 5 Old
1:49:21 - Tier 6
2:04:11 - Tier 6 Old
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Did you know that I willed the 3 Mexican champions into fruition?
@@GalactusOG What did Irene Aldana do to upset you then brother!
@@MixedMartialAcademic I didn't believe. That's why she lost.
@@MixedMartialAcademic 44:20 < Izzy v Costa wasn’t the first time that happened
Pretty sure it was Ronda v Holm
Conors second fight with Nate wasn't suspect at all 3rds to 2 quite obviously...
You can tell how dedicated mma fans are, because there is not a single story in this video that I was not aware of
This, i dont feel shame.
Same
Ditto.
No shame here
@@JustinMacMMA not gonna lie im pretty ashamed i already knew every single detail of a 2 hour video like a complete degenerate
I love that you instantly Jabbed us right in the FACE with some MMA GURU Lore. Alongside all the other works of art you have put together here. This is a masterpiece and must have taken so much effort to compile all this together. Holy cow. Props my dude!
MMA GURU maybe has the worst takes ever.
@@rammyissa probably but he isn't that bad, I enjoy watching him
Thank you so much mate! It was great fun putting it together! Guru going to be getting that long form treatment soon
@@rammyissa Every mma youtuber has bad takes except the grandmaster himself
@@rammyissa anti semite
I didn't realize how MMA-obsessed I was until watching this video and realizing I knew every story mentioned. Thanks for all the hard work you put into this video!!
Same here lmao
UFC-obsessed. These are all bit well known stories about UFC fighters. When you start seeing some Mikey Tiger stories, its a real iceberg 😂
Do you train? Striking or grappling? I'm curious
same
I thought I didn’t even like mma much and I knew like 75% of it.
I had no idea about Nick's past with his girlfriend. My heart aches for him, nobody deserves such a heavy loss and all that weight put on their shoulders. All the best to both families ❤
Yeah that was sad.
Love Nick - dude has a kind warrior spirit.
patrick gavia did a really good doc about it, you should check his stuff out if you havent seen it
Same with the josh dude near the end rip him n his girl that’s tough
Got me tearing up listening to that
RIP Josh Samman. His book is absolutely incredible and beautiful. His story deserves so much recognition.
Yeah man such an incredible story, feel so sad every time I hear it
Haven’t gotten there yet, but didn’t his friend die of an overdose at the same location as well?
@@jjstratford Yup, that is correct. His friend was DOA.
Bro Chaels little speech was great too
@@MixedMartialAcademic "none of us will really know what he was going through in his head" except for the book he wrote documenting it
This may be the best MMA video on UA-cam, nicely done once again Academic
facts
without question love both of your videos
Apprciate you Lionel! You the GOAT out here though =, taking everything I worked for with Long Form.
We got to give Lionel the love!
@@MixedMartialAcademic I'm gonna fight your f****ing ass! (For the best MMA channel)🤣
After all these years, to this day Steven Segal claiming to take credit for Silva's front kick KO with yellow sunglasses on is one of the moments of all time
Watching him fumble around trying to explain where he learned it is hilarious
Fantastic video. As a casual UFC fan, this was such a great summery of years of lore that I otherwise never would have discovered. Thanks man
Welcome to the community ❤
Can we just respect how much time he has put in this video
Can’t even imagine how long this took, and it’s not half-assed editing either. 2 hours 15 mins with tons of different stories is ridiculous.
🫡
half of it is fake reddit bullshit
no thank you
was just thinkin' that. big ups
Big ups to Eddie for owning his wife's behavior and fully embracing it, you'd think it drive him crazy at this point but I guess it's probably doing quite the opposite and serving as his biggest motivator while out there
If you’re the type of fighter that enjoys having their loved ones watch them, I’d assume it’s a great motivator
I’m not a fighter but when I will complete soon, I won want anyone I know there lol. Win or lose, it’s too much pressure
Eddie is a goat the fact that he owns that is attractive. Im a straight male but that shits gangster
That a ride or d!e chick!!!!
@@UsaRubberusername and comment. Uh huh.
@@jordanbabcock9349 good one bro you really got me. Damn. I'm hurt. Ouch. 😢🤡🤡🤡🤡
1:08:22 the first leg break Corey Hill, a 6'4" 145-pounder from Spring Hill Florida who debuted season 5 of The Ultimate Fighter. The leg break happened in 2008 during UFC,Fight for the Troops against opponent Dale Hartt.
RIP Corey Hill
It's a crazy omission/error, but I guess it doesn't fit the curse narrative
He died in 2015
@@Zero_00128 correct. Leg-break happened in 2008
Holy mother of god this was like a movie. Great job bro
Love you brother
Marry ?
@@ellius4294 we’re already married
Marry, or Mary? This comment REALLY begs for context!!
I appreciate how you decided to cover Josh Sammans story extensively in comparison to your other 10 second takes.
Something as deep as that doesnt warrant glossing over.
I actually have myself a copy of the Housekeeper but i havent read it yet.
@@iz1950what are you? A bot? A weirdo?
Now's the time then
Met Done Frye once and we talked for an hour it was after I won a jiu jitsu tournament and I had my medals around my neck and he said "must be easy winning the girls division " 😂 one of the coolest guys I've ever met
Hahaha that’s F**** awesome
This is an insanely good video. Tons of random interesting mma lore, putting all this together is impressive. And the clips keep getting better! Would love to see a new one of these every year!
Crazy amount of work must have gone into this and came out so well. Nice video bro!
Thank you man, appreciate you watching!
Just spent my afternoon watching the entire video. Hell of a video to watch. Honored to be a part of this channel before it really blows up. Keep up the amazing work.
Much appreciated! Thanks for watching the whole thing means a lot my friend!
Your whole after noon has 2:15 hours? Do you live in the Artic and is it winter time? :)
@@salvadorpalma8173 get a grip
This was my first video from your channel and I watched every minute! I love these type of stories and behind the scene stuff, you made a new fan keep it up bro
Appreciate you brother that means a lot my man! Hope you enjoy the previous content and the stuff that’s in the barrel!
Crazy when I started this video I thought I'd never get through the entire 2.15 hours. Just finished and what an amazing compilation. Truly epic. Thank you sir for the hard work. MMA will always be my second love.
You missed one.... Jorge Masvidal had a shooting in his Miami home about a month ago. Masvidal Sr shot Jorges friend twice and is now in jail on attempted murder charges
Is that real?
Yes
Masvidal had nothing to do with it. His dad shot someone, hit them in the arm, non life threatening, Jorge drove by, police said he wasn’t involved. Video would be a month long if he covered every crime committed by all family members of fighters
@@Hammerback972 run it..
this happened 2 minutes away from my house lmao
My god. I'm 50 years old & have been following MMA since the early days - since the damn 90s. Is it terrible that I knew every single one of these? Thats an impressive piece of work you did here - Bravo.
I’ve only been following consistently for about 4 years and I knew most of these through MMA On Point lol
@@kingt0295 that's brilliant. Back in the day it was all pirated VHS tapes months after events.
Same here. Not since the '90's, but the very early 2000's (pre-TUF boom), and I've taken several MMA quizzes and usually get 100% scores. Does that mean I have no life outside of MMA? Probably! No regrets, haha.
That's nothing to be ashamed of lol, I think you're able to appreciate today's state of mma more than anyone having experienced the dark ages of the sport
Such a well made video. The editing, information and presentation was on point.
Certainly deserves more views
Thank you for this, Ben deserves respect and your video gives him all that and more. Great video.
I feel for Tony Ferguson. He’s not a bad person man no one understands those hopeless feelings during episodes and the paranoia of your mind playing tricks on you. Breaks my heart every time I see it
He is a bad person though?
@@PERKIODURKIOhe is not.
Tony in my honest opinion is schizophrenic. I have been around a couple, and he fits a lot of boxes even when he is in public doing interviews etc
Between work and Father's Day festivities, it took awhile for me to watch this entire video, but I am so happy I found the time to do so. As I've come to expect, the Academic schools the MMA centric UA-cam community again. So good, man! A video this long must have been a massive undertaking, but it was well worth the Herculean effort, cuz this is absolutely fantastic.
Nick Diaz saying even his high school bullies were on steroids was hilarious. Along with the fact he was threatened by his gf’s ex boyfriend because of his high stature of school mascot, too good.
I mean they probably were on steroids. Many of the kids on my HS football team were on steroids. I was friends with many of them and they discussed it openly.
@@therainman7777 did the school mascot take your girl?
Very well made iceberg video about the UFC and MMA. Was really entertained. Awesome vid 🔥🔥
Amazing work. I’ve been a mma/ufc fan since around 2005 and I didn’t know a ton of these story’s.
What an absolute banger of a video. Thank you as always for the amazing content good sir!
Appreciate you man, means a lot you watching it!
I didn’t know about the Josh Samman story, it brought me to tears…
Great breakdown! You have some of the most articulate breakdowns out there. Thanks brother.
When this video started I expected to get 5 minutes in and skip to the next one. Yet here I am 2 hours in and still riveted by each story. I didn't realize how much I love MMA because every story brought me back to some good fights and Good Times watching these fighters. Thanks for putting this together it was awesome❤
Favorite comedy line was about Schaub:greatest comedy career to date🤣🤣🤣
2 hrs... nice! Amped to jump in. Thank you for putting the work in for this! 🙌
Hope you enjoy it!
Holy shit that Diaz story deserves its own time stamp
It’s such a sad story man!
First video of yours I've seen and I was enjoying it but Napoleon Blownapart's cameo put it over the top lol great content man
I just showed up for something longform to listen to and I hear my boy Napoleon Blownapart featured. Great video sir, appreciate the work.
Awesome video as always! Would’ve taken so long to put this together! Thanks man, really :) great watch!
Glad you liked it! Really appreciate the kind words!
Watching this now in case this gets taken down like the other great content you’ve been putting out. Your work is amazing!
Thanks man! UA-cam can only slow me down. The videos will come back eventually, but yeah… UA-cam ain’t it
@@MixedMartialAcademic I find inspiration from your work, your Tony Ferguson documentary on mental resilience has helped me in some tough times. Keep it up man.
P.S. The Josh Samman story brought tears to my eye. May they both rest in peace.
The dig at MMA guru at the beginning made this video elite 🤣 thank you whoever u are! I'm here for it
Just finished your Ronda Rousey video, which was AWESOME, and now watching this one. I love everything about your videos! Great job!!
One thing I'd like to correct. Cain Velasquez was not granted parole, but bail. Which unfortunately, there is a big difference. If Cain were granted parole, this would mean that he had already been to court, been convicted, and sentenced to prison, and then granted parole which would mean he is free from prison conditional upon him not violating the conditions of his parole (no trouble, no drugs, etc) for a brief period of time. Unfortunately, he's not settled the charges in court, so he is potentially going to go BACK inside, and actually go to prison for a number of years before he is technically free and done with this horrible situation. It honestly looks like unless there's some miracle - a clerical error, a legal error by the prosecutors in handling evidence, or something that could cause a mistrial, then he is likely facing at least 5 years in prison, if not closer to a decade.
First time ive seen someone outline the reality, thanks for being real about it!
I gotta say as a european, the american prison system seems intensly mega fucked
Oh wow.............
Thanks for clearing that up 😢😢😢😢
If there’s one thing that MMA fans know it’s our legal system.
"Let's hope it goes better than last time" -Tommy Vercetti
This isn't Donnie Darko Bud, leave my Galactus name out your f'in mouth
Tommy is that guy
That ad transition was perfection. Flowwed right into the video
Incredible video. As someone who is new to the UFC and MMA, this video is insanely informative and helped me learn so much about the sport. Keep up the great work
Honestly I like the story behind Eddie’s wife now, especially when you know how much of a GD fighting spirit he is, and the massive fights that he has been in.
Yeah MMA fans nowadays forgot about the Underground King
Eddie's wife has ruined a lot of great fights.
@@usmanzaffar4453harsh but true. The screaming is unbearable. Imagine sitting next to her while she’s screaming at full volume 2 feet by your ear
@@Romanus-yea Jesus, even though it’s more respectable now, I can’t imagine buying tickets and getting that.
Credit to you brother for making this, love your vids man
Thanks man appreciate that a lot!
Great job, brilliant video thank you for your hard work and attention to detail 👏
Well fuckin' done mate! Being a fan that began at Ultima Fighter Season Uno and hasn't stopped since, this was an amazing watch and listen... Awesome job and amazing video! Well done, can't wait (in my voice Bart Scott post fight interview voice) for your next vid!
Great video just a couple things I noticed 17:15 it was Steve Mazzagati who reffed the jones hamil fight not yamasaki. Also I think the first leg break in the ufc was corey hill or something like that i know it was before Silva, but really good video and a fun watch love your channel.
Came here to say this. Great stuff though.
Damn... I always make some boo boos, it was extra difficult to catch myself this time around with the video being so long! appreciate you brother
@@MixedMartialAcademic great video either way
@MixedMartialAcademic great video just don't let it happen again 😊
Corey Hill vs Dale Hartt
Let us not forget the amazing fighters who have lost their lives or lost loved ones during their MMA careers.
May all those amazing human beings rest in peace.
Helloooo...you ok...Well that 2 hours flew by...Brilliant just a brilliant put together video...well done our kid
As a massive MMA fan for too long, how TF am I now only finding your chanel & Blownaparts chanel in the same week. This has been some funny af strolls down memory lane between the 2 of you and your content. Subbed, time to scroll through and laugh.
As a wise man once said Welcome to the 9th layer of hair brother!
Dog how do these content creators always somehow upload a better version of a topic I’ve been deep diving in
Amazing video. Loved the inclusions of Requis and Strickland’s cigarillo.
Glad you enjoyed it!
The amount of time spent editing this video 😮 Thumbs up to you brother 👍🏽
Great stuff. I've heard about very nearly everything in this video..which is fun to recognize. Satisfying to go through. Well paced and presented. I can imagine rewatching this.
shut up
This is my first time seeing any of your videos but I have to say I really appreciate the effort, you can tell you put a lot of time and energy into this, best of luck on your future keep up the grind!
I appreciate that! 🙏
Chael is the all time best sh!t talker
@@RoddyPipersCorneas you make one then
Rashad Evans vs Lyoto Machida at UFC 98 was the first undefeated vs undefeated for a belt. Excellent video tho man. I loved it
Dude, this is epic! Thanks for creating. Must've taken some time. Massive love 🙏❤
“A disabled ginger”😂
Absoluelty amazing video happy you did an updated version for sure, though I was still hearing stories I already knew at tier 6 but halfway thru I wa sheeting stuff I had never heard about like bj penn and the whole murder thing.
What a fantastic video! I knew about 90% already which surprised me, however i didn't know about Shevchenkos coach and her sister! Brilliantly put together, rarely do i sit through a video longer than 20 minutes let alone 2hrs but this had me gripped!
Lmao Eddie Alverez wife scream had me rolling !!!😂😂😂
I've been watching UFC for over 15 years now. This was like a walk down memory lane. Thank you for making this
Fantastic video. Took a few days for me to get through it, but totally worth it. I appreciate your next videos. 😁🤘
Appreciate you brother, thanks for making your way through it! Next video is a banger man I’m looking forward to sharing! See you in October
Jon Jones and Steroids vs Cormier.
Very good iceberg video. However you missed the “Get in the Hole” story Chael Sonnen told in his podcast several years ago. In the story, Chael’s friend “Steve” allegedly forces a guy named Jon to get in a trap hole of an old theatre - a theatre where they would shoot a scene for a wrestling movie -, and Jon gets battered, tied and threatened with a pocket-knife by two other people to get into that hole. The full story is BIZARRE. “Steve” is allegedly a famous UFC judge. There are several comments made by Jon in videos throughout youtube and on facebook in which he confirms the agressor’s identity. Real MMA shit, not for casuals!
I’m actually saving it for my Halloween special but it was originally on the list! It’s a great story
@@MixedMartialAcademicoh that’s great! Once again, great video! The best one yet on the matter. Cheers!
The Ubereem segment was absolute gold 😂🙌
Porcelain Death Star 😆😆😆
Started watching mma in 2015 and started watching basically every card and fight after 2019, and my UA-cam is fully of mma and combat sports, glad I’ve seen and know the context to pretty much all this yet still was interesting most the way through, can’t remember the last time I watched a 2 hour video without falling asleep
Great video. Watched it all. Loved the ending. Don’t always comment, but thanks for the video. 👍
I appreciate that!
Just here for the algorithm and extended gratitude for your amazing content. Also very much looking forward to that Guru video you hinted at. Keep at it king!
Edit: also, wanna let you know that there are repeated titles in tier 5! Lucky Patrick and Crazy Horse vs Silva to be exact.
Thanks so much man! More to come! And yes sir he is in my crosshairs lol
Did not expect to hear Michael Chandler say out loud unironically "come down his throat" 🤣🤣🤣
This is a really good video very well put together.
I laughed I cried I gave it a like❤
What’s crazy is I knew every one of these but still watched it anyway. Very well documented bud
That Nate Diaz story actually made me tear up.
Nick* but yeah man fuck that shit is so sad she didn't get to see Nick at the top.
Awesome video! You earned a subscriber :)
However the Gogoplata part is incomplete. There are more than two Gogoplatas in major MMA promotions alone, perhaps even more in lesser promotions.
Nick Diaz's Gogoplata isn't even the first Gogoplata. Shinya Aoki pulled one against Hansen two months prior. Shinya alone has two Gogoplatas (both from the top) - vs. Hansen and Nagata with 18 months difference between both. Another standout is the Heavyweight Brad Imes who has two back to back Gogoplatas in lesser promotions.
It’s funny that Brad Imes unofficial nickname was “Mr.Gogoplata” 😂😂😂
Good to know i’m caught up on UFC/MMA Lore
This was a great video to watch brother!
RIP Josh Samaan. Such a hard story to hear, much love to him and his girlfriend and their families.
was about to leave cause the video is too long, stayed for the guru ✡♿💪
That was the greatest Masterpiece I have ever seen! Great video I really enjoyed watching it
Great video keep these up
The story of Nick Diaz fighting to honour his girlfriend was beautiful 1:27:36 - 1:30:25
The best part of this whole thing, is the support you give to the other youtube channels.
Got to give them all love brother!
How are you so hilarious doing an iceberg!!? Definitely subscribing
yo this is spot on for every story i laughed so hard =))) very good content
Mitrione did an awesome job of describing the results of grooming
Pretty much lol
Excellent video, well put together. But I believe the first leg break in the UFC was Corey Hill in '08. (RIP)
I'm only gonna get to watch 1hr 45 mins of this before the prelims start this afternoon. LET'S GO!!!
your videos are so good man omfg
Would also like to see the following on the list 1. Adesanya's saggy tit PED allegations 2. Further Matt Hughes fall from grace with adultery and domestic violence allegations after the train accident and speculation that the train accident was actually attempted suicide. 3. Cody letting it slip that TJ taught alpha male how to do PEDs 4. Jones letting it slip that he beat DC while clean. 5. DC's extra hate for Jones because DC has family that died in a car accident from a drunk driver and Jones' issues with driving under the influence. 6. UFC trying to cover up Kevin Lee's mrsa infection but then DC called it out during the broadcast. 7. Cut man Leon Tabbs not allowed to work ufc events after criticizing ufc fighter pay (or somethinglike that). 8. I'm forgetting the shady stuff about Edmond Tarverdyan and the Glendale fighting club but essentially him being kinda a fraud and what he charged, or didn't charge, for coaching not adding up with his taxes. Something like that.
1:19:30 most fans miss that Tony did the same move vs RDA a few years earlier. he was really loose, dancing, and "throwing sand" as he was winning the striking exchanges. it was one of his signature quirks, but fans didn't catch onto it until the Gaethje fight & only associate it with him losing
Excellent work as usual!
This is some high quality stuff! 👏
PLEASE MAKE AN MMA GURU VIDEO. We need to chronicle his journey of how he became disabled and what made him convert to being a Jew!
Watching this video made me realize that this is the reason that Leon Edwards is the best fighter in the universe
tell he isnt which will be very soon lmao..best in the universe hahaha what a great joke im still laughing
@@smokeymacpot76it *was* a joke numbnuts
@@smokeymacpot76its a joke but.... he still holding that belt
I love how much respect amd love Eddie Alverez has for his wife. Its really nice to hear.
this video unlocked memories and clips and comments from when a lot of these things happened
24:19 I'll never give up my fight on this front haha it's a good rule and Big John's issue with the whole karate anecdote is seemingly purposefully misplaced. This is probs going to be way too long so sorry (ppl are supposed to say that right?) but it's okay bc this content is so great and gives a platform to think this stuff out loud so thank you for your work.
it's one of those things in the UFC lexicon ppl just go with. Probs have to start with the fight itself & how it ended before the rule's inception. it's often forgotten Jones was docked 1 point for the strikes - he wasn't DQed straight away. The fight was to continue but Hamill was awarded the win after he was unable to continue following his dislocated shoulder. So, technically the fight had taken a pause due to purposeful, illegal strikes via 12-6 elbows. Warning or not, it would have been the same outcome. Because in that momentary pause to deduct a point, it became apparent his shoulder was dislocated and he wouldn't be able to continue.
Back to Big John - he claims the 12-6 rule was as a result of a karate demonstration but this is a misconception. While that was indeed the anecdote used, the idea behind why this gimmick is effective is the same reason it should be banned. With the head pinned between the point of the elbow and the mat with no where to deflect a powerful strike helped further by gravity, the amount of damage to a localized area is exponentially higher 12-6 to the point of egregious harm that should be avoided. This is especially true when you compare that the surface area an elbow strike covers vs a punch. This is quite literally why 12-6 strikes are so effective in those karate demonstrations.
Go ahead right now put the point of your elbow on the table with a piece of paper under it and draw a circle around the contact area. do the same next to it with your fist. Notice the difference. Now add in the sharpness of your elbow with no padding. You're GUARANTEEING skin is ripped from whatever that elbow touches like it was nothing. Net, Karate demonstrations aren't the best anecdote to justify your case solely due to the charlatan nature of how they are often used, but they are gimmick bc there's actual physics involved. It's like saying David Blaines magic is fake. I mean... magic isn't real and many people have spit it up fish into a bowl as a gimmick... but he spent years learning how to hold enormous water & then expel it including fish in a safe manner. The underlying physics are real haha.
Finally it comes full circle when John revealed a disagreement he had with Herb Dean who informed Conor 12-6 from guard is illegal in one fight but John before the fight he officiated had approved them. John argued it's LITERALLY 12-6 so from guard it's okay. Herb said that's silly it's still 12-6 if the clock was on the wall. Suggesting john understood 12-6 was less about the angle & EVERYTHING to do the trapped head of the opponent seeing as from bottom guard an elbow can hit an opponent and deflect backwards thus minimizing the blow. pinned against the mat, that can't happen.
All that to say, 12-6 elbows are genuinely dangerous and Jones loss is complicated but closer to right than wrong. Fuck me that was too long my bad. oh well too late lol
Thanks for adding a bit of nuance to the conversation on the 12-6 bow, and the Jones loss.
Dude this is SUCH a stupid comment. You tried really; really hard to make a good point and you utterly failed. Getting elbowed in the head while on the canvas is nowhere near as dangerous as getting hit with a wheel kick to the head or a flying knee as you shoot for a TD. Grow up. You sound like a pseudo intellectual mate.
The issue is that the "helped by gravity" is only relevant if you jump or drop down. From a standing or static position gravity cannot pull the weight of your arm hard enough to cause damage. Say you have 10kg of mass on your arm, given a gravitational accelaration of 9.8 m/s^2 the gravitational pull force will be Fg = 10 * 9.8 = 98 newton. Strikes can generate hundreds, thousands of newton-force. A spinning elbow will generate a lot more energy (but allow an exit for the head unlike the mat).