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The problem is the show said THIS IS A TRUE STORY not based on and there’s a huge difference, and you shouldn’t casually say based on when thats not what was shown
I don't think the whole drink scene at the end is supposed to show that he's turning into a stalker, I think it's him realizing that none of what happened to him was earned. Just because you reach out and show sympathy to someone, doesn't mean you invited them to be obsessed with you or find you as their only source of validation.
woah i love this take, it’s saying that you really couldn’t have done anything. it’s not your fault because it all depends on what the person sitting in the chair chooses to do
i think it shows how people can take advantage of your vulnerability & instinct to be empathetic. it is human nature to sympathise with other human beings, that’s what this show is all about: how kindness can be bastardised & manipulated.
Yeah, I think he was trying to make sense of her and was blaming himself until someone was kind to him in the same manner and he realized it’s not his fault.
I always thought the look at the end was signifying to him that all he did was offer a cup of tea to someone who looked down. Like he didn’t bring it upon himself
Ya. It shows that what he did with her (letting her have the cup of tea on the house) was something a lot of people would do and it doesn’t have to mean anything. It helps him realize that him offering her a cup of tea doesn’t mean he did anything wrong.
I believe Richard 100% but I just find it so weird how much hate Fiona is getting and everyone’s focusing on her but no one’s choosing to focus on the man that literally raped and drugged him
I’m not 100% but I think people accused the wrong guy and richard told people to stop speculating. Fiona seemed ready to give her two cents immediately
That's because his identity is not yet "discovered" even if it was it'd be alleged unless Richard or that person confirms it. The difference is Fiona had been discovered and it was all alleged until she came on the show confirming she was the stalker Richard was talking about. Fiona does deserve hate tbh but not to the extent of death threats... Also she brought this upon herself by FIRST mentally assaulting, Richard and his loved ones for years. THEN by coming on the show. He is allowed to talk about his own trauma and he did not need to cover his stalkers identity not even one bit. This woman brought it upon herself by stalking him for years. PERIOD
@@caro31099 we dont even know its the wrong person, Gadd would defend the guy till death anyway. Going back and allowing from what i can tell Gary Reich to continue his streak against other men is as evil. I have my doubts the rape scene happened how he made it out to be, he literally went for dicks after when he was a straight man. Now hes a gay man. Thats a bit weird to me.
Because of baby reindeer, it helped me identify what actually happened and why i was doing this really self-destructive behavior. Made me realize i was groomed and assaulted repeatedly and i kept crawling back because my Immediate family wanted nothing to do with me. I was in that cycle for 15 years, Im 18 almost 19 now and feel like i finally have my hands on my own steering wheel because of this show.
I know I'm just a stranger on the internet but I'm a social worker irl. I'm so glad you've been able to identify what was happening to you. Do you have a support system at home?
Hi stranger, I’m finishing my degree in clinical counseling and I wanted to share this with you and I hope it can help you in your healing ❤️ When we are in danger we fall into states of defense. Most people know fight flight and freeze, but there is also fawn. Fawn is a trauma response where the survivor attempts to appease the abuser for a subconscious sense of protection. Our brain says, “this threat has some sort of power over me so if I do what they want and please them it will keep me safe.” That could’ve been why you kept going back - your subconscious was trying to protect you. I know it’s difficult to grasp, but I want to reiterate it is NOT your fault. It was never your fault. Additionally from what you were saying you were so young. Children especially fall into fawn because they haven’t yet learned what is a person of authority who can keep them safe. With your family turning their back on you, I’m sure it didn’t feel like they were people who could take care of you so it made this abuser see you as a good target for manipulation. That was their actions, not yours. My heart breaks for you and I am so so sorry. I can’t even imagine the pain that you have felt. I’m so happy to hear you are starting to gain some compassion for yourself and enter a path of healing and at the same time that path is not linear and I’m sure you’ve had moments where you feel right back at square one with your healing. With that being said, I hope this information will be something you can think back on to remind you that this was not your fault. I also hope you never discredit your resilience and remember that while the healing process will not be linear, you have already come so far by recognizing what you mentioned in this comment. Remember to give yourself credit where it is due. Healing does not move backwards. I’m so sorry that your family isn’t in your corner, but there are so so many people who see you and will be in your corner. I hope you find your way to them and they find your way to you ❤️
I 100% believe Richard's telling the truth. He covered a bunch of really personal things in the show. So he outed himself, too. Why would he tell such a dramatic story just to lie about one person. Nah, I think he's an amazing and strong story teller.
One of the things I loved about the show was that he didn't try to make himself look like a white knight. He was very open about the things he did wrong as well, he's not a complete victim. The ending to me is him understanding how Martha got to that place. He spent time trying to find meaning to her actions and I believe the ending was him getting that. As for the Piers Morgan interview...it was incredibly contradictory. She would deny then admit to some, say she didn't know where he lived but then admit to sending him a letter. It just showed how much of a liar she is and while it might not be exactly as the show says there seems to be some truth there. Plus she even mentioned she changed her last name which after searching her original name comes up with a stalking case she was involved in.
i always thought him getting the drink at the end was trying to tell us that its still good to show kindness like donny did in the begginning with the tea, and that it really wasnt his fault
I 100% love the way that you pointed out Darrian as the main villain. I’ve been preaching this since watching the show and you’ve explained exactly what i’ve been trying to say perfectly. can’t wait for you to post more.
Can’t be completely sure the assault happened like in the series, but her e-mails are very direct and graphic. And he has said she kept touching him when he was trying to work (in the e-mails she keeps talking about his bum). But unless she admits it in her e-mails we can’t know for sure.
I find it remarkable that people think Martha is the real villain! She has made his life hard, very hard at times, she even assaulted him at one point, but Darian did so, so much worse.
She also has form--------A WOMAN who waged a campaign against Donald Dewar is now stalking MP's wife Laura Wray. Solicitor Mrs Wray has become the target of Fiona Muir, whom she sacked from a trainee post at her firm, McPhail Lawrence Partnership, in 1997. Since she was dismissed, she has contacted Mrs Wray's office with a series of threatening phone calls and even turned up at her house on one occasion. Mrs Wray, wife of Glasgow Baillieston MP Jimmy Wray and the mother of an 18-month-old son, was so worried by Muir's behaviour she issued her staff with panic alarms. She is now considering making an official complaint to police, after Muir renewed her campaign last week. It's also understood that Muir has developed a friendship with Mr Wray's ex-wife Catherine, with whom he fought a bitter divorce battle.
Have you seen the interview with Fiona? A more obvious liar is hard to find. I bet they even downplayed her a bit... Darian is a awful man but Martha is like a cancer that refuse to heal.
Parts of the show were embellished and others simply didn't happen. Gadd has all but said this. She was never incarcerated. Some of these things are fairly easily checked.
She didn't deny any of the accusations made by Morgan. Watch it again. She only ever denied sending specific anounts of email etc. If she actually sent 40,999 emails or 41,001 emails, she wouldn't be lying if she said she didn't send 41,000 emails, which is what she claimed.
agreed. what stuck out of me was when she said ' i never SA'd him in a canal'. why specify the canal, she may have done it just not in that place, technically she woudnt be lying. and in the stage show the assault takes place in the bar. if you listen carefully she doesnt deny as much as some people seem to think.
It caught me by surprise when you said at the end there that this is your first video! very well done, well edited, written and well narrated. Leaving a comment and subscribing for support and algorithm boost :) Keep it up!
Monkey see monkey do is a separate piece he wrote and performed focused on the grooming etc he went through, he did baby reindeer around 5 years ago at Edinburgh festival and then it was in London and I think Broadway as well.
UNPOPULAR OPINION about the ending part: I think he put the trial part to end the show. Let's be honest everyone or at least most viewers probably would like to see "the villain" facing actual consequences. Since the show is fiction I don't see any issues with him possibly altering the actual events that took place. Because, it not only gives the show a solid ending but also portrays Martha in the best light possible since she apologizes and shows regret. This is also another part of the show where he did not just made Martha the villain while he could've made her THE villain really easily. MY SECOND OPINION about the show is the "True story" part. Since in the final credits they said that the show is inspired by NOT the actual events but from Richard's play "Baby Reindeer", I don't really think there will be a lawsuit. But, even if it was directly inspired by real life events COME ON this is a Netflix series of course they are going to change certain parts. Also everyone complaining how it's not a 100% true and how much the Martha character looks and acts like real life Martha. PLEASEE 🙄 You can't agree with both of those it's not adding up.
I keep saying that even people's social media statuses are not 100% true. You can't expect a show to completely reflect what happened unless it was filmed live.
Also it’s the British justice system we’re talking about. There are men here who don’t go to prison for stalking never mind a woman😂. That threatening voicemail was probably crafted to let them wrap up the story in a nice way
You did an absolutely phenomenal job on this video; the way you broke it down, the way you divided it into categories, I was so entertained I didn't even realize I was watching a 17 minute video until I got to the end of it. Really good job dude. Hope to see more from you. I'm subscribing.
Also, I believe Fiona wholeheartedly. Richard Gadd is such a despicable person; he only got one thing correct: his desire for fame and fortune at any cost.
Can't wait to see more of your videos, a great job! The comments have made me see many different points to this story and made me realise we can all perceive things differently as we see things from a different angle. Who are we to say somebody's opinion is right or wrong? Thanks for creating this video summarising some of the key points and opening the door for some good discussions. Keep it going!
that's such a silly comment. he said "characters" and didn't mention their size or the way they look at all, but was probably referring to the mannerisms, speech patterns and such, which the actress does portray in a way that strongly resembles the real life woman.
Very well edited and narrated video, although I did notice that the archive footage you used was a lot quieter than the rest of the video. Apart from that though great video, keep it up, i was surprised to hear this was your first
I heard a theory on reddit that the end of the show where Richard goes back to Darrien is trying to signify that real life Darrien might have actuslly helped make this netflix show
He says "when people ask me how I got into comedy, I think of this moment" on the scene with the old guy dancing. That for me was a light bulb moment. It implies old guy opened doors for him. I'm going to have to go have a nosey at the reddit thing.
I love how during the show Richard doesn’t make the characters black and white. The ending scene with the voicemail made me sympathise but when Donny gets a drink it establishes that stalkers are in charge of their own decisions
Thank you for the insightful breakdown on this program. With 3 mid 30s children Ive been feeling left out of conversation in the last month. It was constant baby reindeer blah blah blah. I eventually suffered through the series just to be included in conversations.
It really was a masterpiece. I rarely can finish an episode of anything as I have the attention span of a ferret, but this I watched episode after episode one weekend. Brilliant! The portrayal of Martha was brilliant. She wasn’t afraid of being raw and downright unhinged. I really believed her acting. Richard acted this all out flawlessly and realistic.
My girlfriend and me enjoyed this video, pretty good for your first time. Just fyi the audio was kind of low idk if it was an editing problem or the master volume, but even the clips are low. 👍
after watching the Piers Morgan interview I'm 100% sure she actually did those things. she even went out of her way to call the real life Terri a man. you can tell she's still bitter
It was a nice show really, whatever everything in it was true or if bits and pieces were fictional still it feels like a raw retelling of someones experiences. I can relate to both Donny and Martha here, specifically i spent my uni years being around people that werent really interested in me but were keeping me around because they had something to gain from me, it's a sad realisation that what most people have seen in me is only an easy way to pass their exams and that my self respect was so low that i settled for that. I am still working on that, it is kinda like one step forward two steps back.
how is Richard’s self destructive tendencies the lowest tier? as someone who’s intimately familiar with it i picked it up before the end of the first episode 😢
To my knowledge nobody had found out Martha’s identity as a result of this show airing. Her real life counterpart showed up herself and inserted herself back into his life through this piers Morgan stuff and suing. It fits her style perfectly that being to always stay dangerous to Richard and perpetually intertwined. One upping her last performance and creating more flying monkeys to aid her in casting doubt and judgment into Richard. It makes you really feel for the guy even more even if her sloppy actions now are giving him near perfect vindication. I say near perfect but there are quite a few people out there treating him horribly just for the fact that this manipulator has sown seeds of doubt as she always does. Of course we’d love to see justice regarding darien but who knows if that will materialize while people are seemingly still afraid of him and what he could do. I really admire Richard for not only writing himself so flawed but also being firm in his belief that he is not to blame for what has happened to him. Let him get it all out so to speak and maintain that boundary he’ll always need it.
nah, the internet went on a "manhunt" when this dropped. I remember they were posting her old tweets and connecting the dots. It was a bit sad really cos she obv seems like she needs help herself, but yeah that hppened.
Great job! Your final comments (beginning 15:46, The Self Destruction of Richard Gad about RG actually leads me to believe he has BPD ("The extreme lengths he went to keep toxic people in his lives.") You present her mental instability in a more compassionate way with the words you use whereas with RG you use much stronger language. It's like, she couldn't help it so we will give her grace but there is no grace given RG for his instability instead it sounds more judgmental. I hope you will relisten to it. I do believe that you tried very hard to be even handed but repeatedly you point out that RG was making these choices and it sounds a bit like he deserved it. Anyway, I just wanted to bring your awareness to it because I do believe RG has spent many years uncovering his traumas and working through them. In the show he takes responsibility for his part in it, leading her on from time to time, etc. She however denies everything at every opportunity to she gets. He's become a more whole person whereas she does not. Anyway, I just wanted to share my thoughts on that last iceberg point as I am sure you are unaware of how it comes across. Great job with the video, I enjoyed it and you have a great tone. Keep it up!
I think the whole meme culture reaction to Martha and the free passes that so many people are giving her, including this channel, highlights how far away we are as a society in terms of taking male victims seriously. “She was mentally ill” or “she did bad stuff but no where near as bad as Darrien” is frankly ridiculous. She was a manipulative stalker, a sexual abuser and a violent sociopath. As a fully grown woman she should have had the self awareness to seek the help she needed for herself and yet people are sympathising with her. If the role were reversed and it was a man doing this stuff to a woman, no one would hesitate to exile him and treat him like dirt. Rightfully so by the way. No wonder male victims are still so afraid to come forward when this kind of stuff happens 🙄.
What’s weird about that is four fake FB accounts for 46 messages, yet the rest of the numbers seem crazy ridiculous, and buddy better have kept them all if they were actually real
Really took guts for richard not to shy away from the mistakes he made and to tell an honest story about trauma. Every time I found myself infuriated at Martha, donny brought me back to seeing a broken person that just needs help at the end of the day. Darrien tho.. fuck that guy for real
But I felt bad for Fiona in the last episode she should have been committed in a hospice for psychological evaluation. I reckon it would be better than jail.
About who's worse Martha or O'Connor we see how man are treated in this "patriarchy" man get no sympathy for getting raped and is really our fault cause it's portrait as the experience that made him gay. Aswell we men being stalked when he asks the policeman if it was a guy sending masturbation texts to a girl they might do something, and it's spot on I'm not a victim but I know some and all of them man and women became addicts, Richard became bi but I'll mansplain why O'Connor isn't the villain Richard knew and in his head was fair trade for the drugs....
Stalking is a serious crime, the psychological harm and emotional distress along with the profound trauma it causes the victims of stalkers is why the pathological bullying abusive stalkers should be given longer prison sentences, it is severe abuse and the amount of people feeling sorry for her is a disgrace, Stop enabling abusers it's not ok
@@paula622 This is the stuff that's written all over the internet. Did you not watch the show? He described it in a nuanced way and said it wasn't good versus bad. He also contributed. I have been stalked by someone who was very ill, a woman. Yes it was scary and I was worried. But I also knew how ill she was and feel so much empathy for her. They don't just lock everyone up who is ill with obsessive personalities. They would have to really establish there was intent to harm. Gadd himself said he felt empathy for her.
@@thinac It was ten years ago. And you don't know if there was any assault. She sent him emails and became obsessed with him. They do not simply lock people up.
@@thinacGadd has said she never met Teri his girlfriend, so it's impossible that she could have attacked her and torn the hair from her head, kinda made me think there more no attack on him either.
I’m struggling to know what to believe after the Piers interview. Like I don’t believe she is honest at all, but it made me question the things Richard Gadd has said ??
Just curious, what things? Some things will have have been a bit changed as sometimes it's impossible to get everything 100% correct. People can also interpret things in different ways, and memory is malleable.
@@janinebasil yeah I agree. I don’t know - for one thing, I don’t understand why he would lie about stalking her back (when he followed her to her Appartment and she caught him) but then why would she say that never happened?
Richard has said that the show is not a one for one accounting of events. Instead, he's referred to it as an "emotional truth." It's not a true crime documentary, and he didn't want it to be. Richard likely never followed her to her house, just as I'm sure a lot of what was shown in the show did not play out exactly how it did in real life, intentionally so. Instead of being a true event, what that scene is doing is expressing his feelings on his returned obsession with her. Later in the series, Richard talks about how he struggled with his own obsessive thoughts of her and how he had, in a way, become like her. The scene at the comedy club, where she refutes his claims of her being a stalker and states that HE was the one that followed HER home, that line hits you in the gut because. . .she has a point. Adding the plot point of him following her home is an allegory for how he emotionally feels in the situation, and is a succinct and impactful way of showing you how he dealt with his own complex feelings of confusion and culpability. Richard was also intrigued by her and made many mistakes and wrong choices that he openly admits to feeding the situation, and it is expressed in the show that he did on some level like her admiration. He may not have physically followed her in real life, but he emotionally did, and he had to reckon himself to the part that he played in everything.
@@sunsetphoenix900 that’s such a good outlook! Yeah, it’s so hard when you don’t know what’s true and what’s false - it makes me feel even worse for Martha because like you said about his complexed feelings of liking her attention, he must’ve led her on and so you can somewhat understand why she had this warped perception of how he liked her back. But also I struggle to believe Martha in the Piers interview when she said she didn’t love him? Surely that was a lie? (Not that she owes it to anyone to admit everything she felt)
@jessicarobinson8801 I have sympathy for Martha too, and Richard does as well. I think she's an unwell person, and I think Richard gave her inches, which she took for miles. She may not have loved him in a true sense of the word, but she was definitely infatuated to have sent the sheer number of emails and messages. Netflix has verified those numbers, and no person who is mentally well does that. I, of course, haven't personally read or listened to them, but I have a hard time believing that the feelings she expresses in them are purely platonic, lol
"im not going to name her" continues to plaster her name on the screen via articles. i understand the respect aspect but she did it to herself, name and shame all the way lmao
How is fiona attacking netflix but not the character upon which darien is (supposedly) based on ? Seems to me fiona is in on the joke and working for netflix
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The problem is the show said THIS IS A TRUE STORY not based on and there’s a huge difference, and you shouldn’t casually say based on when thats not what was shown
I don't think the whole drink scene at the end is supposed to show that he's turning into a stalker, I think it's him realizing that none of what happened to him was earned. Just because you reach out and show sympathy to someone, doesn't mean you invited them to be obsessed with you or find you as their only source of validation.
Exactly! It's a moment when he stops blaming himself for what Martha did
woah i love this take, it’s saying that you really couldn’t have done anything. it’s not your fault because it all depends on what the person sitting in the chair chooses to do
I see it as way that he’s in her shoes now and felt it
i think it shows how people can take advantage of your vulnerability & instinct to be empathetic. it is human nature to sympathise with other human beings, that’s what this show is all about: how kindness can be bastardised & manipulated.
Yeah, I think he was trying to make sense of her and was blaming himself until someone was kind to him in the same manner and he realized it’s not his fault.
Netflix can release utter garbage then release a wonderfully written and acted show like Baby Raindeer. Netflix is an enigma
Different creators get opportunities at NetFlix, so we can blame them moreso than the platform.
they cant all be bangers man
I always thought the look at the end was signifying to him that all he did was offer a cup of tea to someone who looked down. Like he didn’t bring it upon himself
And not reporting when she assaulted his trans girl cuz he was embarrassed
Ya. It shows that what he did with her (letting her have the cup of tea on the house) was something a lot of people would do and it doesn’t have to mean anything. It helps him realize that him offering her a cup of tea doesn’t mean he did anything wrong.
That's really beautiful. Thank you
I believe Richard 100% but I just find it so weird how much hate Fiona is getting and everyone’s focusing on her but no one’s choosing to focus on the man that literally raped and drugged him
I’m not 100% but I think people accused the wrong guy and richard told people to stop speculating. Fiona seemed ready to give her two cents immediately
That's what I'm so confused about like that part was normal it something
That's because his identity is not yet "discovered" even if it was it'd be alleged unless Richard or that person confirms it. The difference is Fiona had been discovered and it was all alleged until she came on the show confirming she was the stalker Richard was talking about. Fiona does deserve hate tbh but not to the extent of death threats... Also she brought this upon herself by FIRST mentally assaulting, Richard and his loved ones for years. THEN by coming on the show. He is allowed to talk about his own trauma and he did not need to cover his stalkers identity not even one bit. This woman brought it upon herself by stalking him for years. PERIOD
@@caro31099 we dont even know its the wrong person, Gadd would defend the guy till death anyway. Going back and allowing from what i can tell Gary Reich to continue his streak against other men is as evil. I have my doubts the rape scene happened how he made it out to be, he literally went for dicks after when he was a straight man. Now hes a gay man. Thats a bit weird to me.
i agree with you, however its because fiona was easy to find, she left a public paper trail on twitter etc.
Because of baby reindeer, it helped me identify what actually happened and why i was doing this really self-destructive behavior. Made me realize i was groomed and assaulted repeatedly and i kept crawling back because my Immediate family wanted nothing to do with me. I was in that cycle for 15 years, Im 18 almost 19 now and feel like i finally have my hands on my own steering wheel because of this show.
I know I'm just a stranger on the internet but I'm a social worker irl. I'm so glad you've been able to identify what was happening to you. Do you have a support system at home?
@@madz2013 i do now because of my fiance, cut my family off recently
Don’t marry the first man who is decent to you. It’s ok if you need therapy for many years. Signed, a mid. 30s survivor.
Hi stranger, I’m finishing my degree in clinical counseling and I wanted to share this with you and I hope it can help you in your healing ❤️ When we are in danger we fall into states of defense. Most people know fight flight and freeze, but there is also fawn. Fawn is a trauma response where the survivor attempts to appease the abuser for a subconscious sense of protection. Our brain says, “this threat has some sort of power over me so if I do what they want and please them it will keep me safe.” That could’ve been why you kept going back - your subconscious was trying to protect you. I know it’s difficult to grasp, but I want to reiterate it is NOT your fault. It was never your fault. Additionally from what you were saying you were so young. Children especially fall into fawn because they haven’t yet learned what is a person of authority who can keep them safe. With your family turning their back on you, I’m sure it didn’t feel like they were people who could take care of you so it made this abuser see you as a good target for manipulation. That was their actions, not yours. My heart breaks for you and I am so so sorry. I can’t even imagine the pain that you have felt. I’m so happy to hear you are starting to gain some compassion for yourself and enter a path of healing and at the same time that path is not linear and I’m sure you’ve had moments where you feel right back at square one with your healing. With that being said, I hope this information will be something you can think back on to remind you that this was not your fault. I also hope you never discredit your resilience and remember that while the healing process will not be linear, you have already come so far by recognizing what you mentioned in this comment. Remember to give yourself credit where it is due. Healing does not move backwards. I’m so sorry that your family isn’t in your corner, but there are so so many people who see you and will be in your corner. I hope you find your way to them and they find your way to you ❤️
What would this cycle be called? I feel like i went through something like Donny after his traumatic experiences.
I 100% believe Richard's telling the truth. He covered a bunch of really personal things in the show. So he outed himself, too. Why would he tell such a dramatic story just to lie about one person. Nah, I think he's an amazing and strong story teller.
yeah some things may have been dramatized for the series, but no one would lie abt the more serious core moments and trauma for sure
I think some people would do anything for recognition.
One of the things I loved about the show was that he didn't try to make himself look like a white knight. He was very open about the things he did wrong as well, he's not a complete victim. The ending to me is him understanding how Martha got to that place. He spent time trying to find meaning to her actions and I believe the ending was him getting that. As for the Piers Morgan interview...it was incredibly contradictory. She would deny then admit to some, say she didn't know where he lived but then admit to sending him a letter. It just showed how much of a liar she is and while it might not be exactly as the show says there seems to be some truth there. Plus she even mentioned she changed her last name which after searching her original name comes up with a stalking case she was involved in.
She only revealed her identity and went on the show to keep it going
i always thought him getting the drink at the end was trying to tell us that its still good to show kindness like donny did in the begginning with the tea, and that it really wasnt his fault
something that really strikes me is how alone he was... the lack of friendships really is what made him go into that spiral
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I 100% love the way that you pointed out Darrian as the main villain. I’ve been preaching this since watching the show and you’ve explained exactly what i’ve been trying to say perfectly. can’t wait for you to post more.
I don’t understand why people sympathize with “Martha” when she literally sexually assaulted him…
Is there evidence of that elsewhere other than in the show? (Genuine Question, not trying to be inflammatory)
@@ArtJourneyUKbro obviously not if it happened with no witnesses and like 5 years ago
@alexacastillo6049 yeah, hard to tell then if it is the truth eh?
@@ArtJourneyUKits not that hard to believe is it tho
Can’t be completely sure the assault happened like in the series, but her e-mails are very direct and graphic. And he has said she kept touching him when he was trying to work (in the e-mails she keeps talking about his bum). But unless she admits it in her e-mails we can’t know for sure.
The fact I actually laughed at all the comedy performance scenes, My scene of humor is BROKENNNN
Gout!
I find it remarkable that people think Martha is the real villain! She has made his life hard, very hard at times, she even assaulted him at one point, but Darian did so, so much worse.
they are both awful people.
She also has form--------A WOMAN who waged a campaign against Donald Dewar is now stalking MP's wife Laura Wray.
Solicitor Mrs Wray has become the target of Fiona Muir, whom she sacked from a trainee post at her firm, McPhail Lawrence Partnership, in 1997.
Since she was dismissed, she has contacted Mrs Wray's office with a series of threatening phone calls and even turned up at her house on one occasion.
Mrs Wray, wife of Glasgow Baillieston MP Jimmy Wray and the mother of an 18-month-old son, was so worried by Muir's behaviour she issued her staff with panic alarms.
She is now considering making an official complaint to police, after Muir renewed her campaign last week.
It's also understood that Muir has developed a friendship with Mr Wray's ex-wife Catherine, with whom he fought a bitter divorce battle.
Just because Darrin was "worse" doesn't mean she's not getting what she deserves.
Have you seen the interview with Fiona? A more obvious liar is hard to find. I bet they even downplayed her a bit... Darian is a awful man but Martha is like a cancer that refuse to heal.
She sexually assaulted* that man btw. Let's not leave that part out.
Parts of the show were embellished and others simply didn't happen. Gadd has all but said this. She was never incarcerated. Some of these things are fairly easily checked.
try looking under Fiona Muir.
No way there’s already an ice berg
There's an iceberg as you're watch the show. People just ain't clicking on and/or reading between the lines.
She didn't deny any of the accusations made by Morgan. Watch it again. She only ever denied sending specific anounts of email etc.
If she actually sent 40,999 emails or 41,001 emails, she wouldn't be lying if she said she didn't send 41,000 emails, which is what she claimed.
agreed. what stuck out of me was when she said ' i never SA'd him in a canal'. why specify the canal, she may have done it just not in that place, technically she woudnt be lying. and in the stage show the assault takes place in the bar. if you listen carefully she doesnt deny as much as some people seem to think.
It caught me by surprise when you said at the end there that this is your first video! very well done, well edited, written and well narrated. Leaving a comment and subscribing for support and algorithm boost :) Keep it up!
Thanks, im happy you enjoyed the content!
Monkey see monkey do is a separate piece he wrote and performed focused on the grooming etc he went through, he did baby reindeer around 5 years ago at Edinburgh festival and then it was in London and I think Broadway as well.
UNPOPULAR OPINION about the ending part:
I think he put the trial part to end the show. Let's be honest everyone or at least most viewers probably would like to see "the villain" facing actual consequences. Since the show is fiction I don't see any issues with him possibly altering the actual events that took place. Because, it not only gives the show a solid ending but also portrays Martha in the best light possible since she apologizes and shows regret. This is also another part of the show where he did not just made Martha the villain while he could've made her THE villain really easily.
MY SECOND OPINION about the show is the "True story" part. Since in the final credits they said that the show is inspired by NOT the actual events but from Richard's play "Baby Reindeer", I don't really think there will be a lawsuit. But, even if it was directly inspired by real life events COME ON this is a Netflix series of course they are going to change certain parts. Also everyone complaining how it's not a 100% true and how much the Martha character looks and acts like real life Martha. PLEASEE 🙄 You can't agree with both of those it's not adding up.
Agree I struggle to understand how people don’t get this
Yes I agree. I dont know if sh went to jail or not. It also could have been a sort of closure for him.
@@EmmaRosesConcertClips Exactly, closure. Well said
I keep saying that even people's social media statuses are not 100% true. You can't expect a show to completely reflect what happened unless it was filmed live.
Also it’s the British justice system we’re talking about. There are men here who don’t go to prison for stalking never mind a woman😂. That threatening voicemail was probably crafted to let them wrap up the story in a nice way
At least leave in the punchline of his real comedy..
"...im joking im joking...she was 3 months old"
You did an absolutely phenomenal job on this video; the way you broke it down, the way you divided it into categories, I was so entertained I didn't even realize I was watching a 17 minute video until I got to the end of it. Really good job dude. Hope to see more from you. I'm subscribing.
Ok, the editing on this video only 30 seconds in is fantastic! Can’t believe you don’t have more subs. Instantly subbed.
Also, I believe Fiona wholeheartedly. Richard Gadd is such a despicable person; he only got one thing correct: his desire for fame and fortune at any cost.
Thank you!!
Agree!
@@sorormimm493 No.
Can't wait to see more of your videos, a great job!
The comments have made me see many different points to this story and made me realise we can all perceive things differently as we see things from a different angle. Who are we to say somebody's opinion is right or wrong?
Thanks for creating this video summarising some of the key points and opening the door for some good discussions. Keep it going!
Wow, how on earth do you not have like over a mil? Editing quality is incredible and talking skills are absolutely on point!! Keep up the content bro.
Hopefully one day🤞 thanks so much!
@@robbo473 No problem bro, my friend has 32k subs and edits his vids, I can get you to talk to him, he'll give you some amazing tips!
saying the real life Martha and her actress have an “uncanny resemblance” because they’re both fat is really funny
that's such a silly comment. he said "characters" and didn't mention their size or the way they look at all, but was probably referring to the mannerisms, speech patterns and such, which the actress does portray in a way that strongly resembles the real life woman.
Didn’t realise this was your first video! Really enjoyed it! Keep at it 😊
Very well edited and narrated video, although I did notice that the archive footage you used was a lot quieter than the rest of the video. Apart from that though great video, keep it up, i was surprised to hear this was your first
Appreciate the feedback :)
I heard a theory on reddit that the end of the show where Richard goes back to Darrien is trying to signify that real life Darrien might have actuslly helped make this netflix show
He says "when people ask me how I got into comedy, I think of this moment" on the scene with the old guy dancing. That for me was a light bulb moment. It implies old guy opened doors for him. I'm going to have to go have a nosey at the reddit thing.
I love how during the show Richard doesn’t make the characters black and white. The ending scene with the voicemail made me sympathise but when Donny gets a drink it establishes that stalkers are in charge of their own decisions
“I’m a victim like johnny depp” well… I have some news for you
Love the breakdown! Wish it was longer tho.
I’ll make a longer one next time!
@@robbo473 Can't wait!
Good job on this video can’t believe it’s your first one. Really enjoyed it.
Damn this video is better than most of the crappy commentary videos ppl make about this show!
Thank you!!
the editing is great bro
you forgot to mention that martha is 115 frogs long
Amazing first video, be proud of what you’ve accomplished here!
Thanks!
In going debate? U don’t need to be Sherlock to see that real life Martha is admitting literally everything in this interview 😅
Is no-one going to say how much Robbo sounds like Richard G.?
Great video.
Awesome video dude! Im lookin forward to more!
Thank you for the insightful breakdown on this program.
With 3 mid 30s children Ive been feeling left out of conversation in the last month. It was constant baby reindeer blah blah blah. I eventually suffered through the series just to be included in conversations.
What a great banger for your first video m8
He kinda looks lige Kai havertz
You can hate on and feel bad for someone at the same time, Martha proves it.
The biggest punishment Martha received is having to live her whole life as Martha
very cool video loved your intro and saw the subcribers,, that work to draw me in needs more love
New sub here! Keep up the good work!
I was so surprised you sound like the main guy at first
10:21 is the best part no questions asked.
One piece mentioned 🔥🔥
Just a quick suggestion. PLEASE fix your audio mixing. The volume is very low and inconsistent. Other than that, great video👍🏽
Subbed! Great job! 👏👏👏👏
for ur first video this is well done damn
I can't find the real video of "comedian epically breaks down on stage" as depicted in the show.
omg this video is so underrated
Thank you! :)
Nice video man, keep it up!
Dude, this was an amazing video. Carry On, Subscribing.
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great video, can't wait to see more from you
well done for your first vid was edited well and all around good iceberge vid;).
I love how he put so much effort in to not say her real identity just to show it at the top at 10:08
Please put the volume up, thanks
if this your first vedio i cant wait to see what whould you do next
i didnt even watch yet but i love the effort already and liking and comment to boost the algo
Appreciation it 🙌
WHY IS THE AUDIO SO LOW
I started a joke was perfect for the soundtrack
I thought the main actor was the Ron Weasly dude until now 😭 I'm so dumb
It really was a masterpiece. I rarely can finish an episode of anything as I have the attention span of a ferret, but this I watched episode after episode one weekend. Brilliant! The portrayal of Martha was brilliant. She wasn’t afraid of being raw and downright unhinged. I really believed her acting. Richard acted this all out flawlessly and realistic.
My girlfriend and me enjoyed this video, pretty good for your first time. Just fyi the audio was kind of low idk if it was an editing problem or the master volume, but even the clips are low. 👍
Fiona didn't do herself any favors with the P.M. interview
why on earth are captions not available 💔
I’ll have them added next time :)
Great iceberg! I really enjoyed it.
Great first video man, looking forward to seeing more 🎉
Loved the video!
This is fantastic! Please make more videos!! :))
after watching the Piers Morgan interview I'm 100% sure she actually did those things. she even went out of her way to call the real life Terri a man. you can tell she's still bitter
Well “she” is soo..
@@Wheresmyglockbro did you even watch the show? the protagonist/creator supports trans ppl and that's your takeaway?
It was a nice show really, whatever everything in it was true or if bits and pieces were fictional still it feels like a raw retelling of someones experiences.
I can relate to both Donny and Martha here, specifically i spent my uni years being around people that werent really interested in me but were keeping me around because they had something to gain from me, it's a sad realisation that what most people have seen in me is only an easy way to pass their exams and that my self respect was so low that i settled for that.
I am still working on that, it is kinda like one step forward two steps back.
how is Richard’s self destructive tendencies the lowest tier? as someone who’s intimately familiar with it i picked it up before the end of the first episode 😢
fantastic video! like always! loved everything about it, you are a great story teller!!! was just wondering what the first song is called
The song is called "I started a joke" by the Bee Gees!
What do you mean, like always?
To my knowledge nobody had found out Martha’s identity as a result of this show airing. Her real life counterpart showed up herself and inserted herself back into his life through this piers Morgan stuff and suing. It fits her style perfectly that being to always stay dangerous to Richard and perpetually intertwined. One upping her last performance and creating more flying monkeys to aid her in casting doubt and judgment into Richard. It makes you really feel for the guy even more even if her sloppy actions now are giving him near perfect vindication. I say near perfect but there are quite a few people out there treating him horribly just for the fact that this manipulator has sown seeds of doubt as she always does. Of course we’d love to see justice regarding darien but who knows if that will materialize while people are seemingly still afraid of him and what he could do. I really admire Richard for not only writing himself so flawed but also being firm in his belief that he is not to blame for what has happened to him. Let him get it all out so to speak and maintain that boundary he’ll always need it.
nah, the internet went on a "manhunt" when this dropped. I remember they were posting her old tweets and connecting the dots. It was a bit sad really cos she obv seems like she needs help herself, but yeah that hppened.
Video is amazing but i had to watch on full maxed out volume and still could barely hear it 😅
I’ll have this issue fixed in the next video :)
Great job!
Your final comments (beginning 15:46, The Self Destruction of Richard Gad about RG actually leads me to believe he has BPD ("The extreme lengths he went to keep toxic people in his lives.") You present her mental instability in a more compassionate way with the words you use whereas with RG you use much stronger language. It's like, she couldn't help it so we will give her grace but there is no grace given RG for his instability instead it sounds more judgmental. I hope you will relisten to it. I do believe that you tried very hard to be even handed but repeatedly you point out that RG was making these choices and it sounds a bit like he deserved it.
Anyway, I just wanted to bring your awareness to it because I do believe RG has spent many years uncovering his traumas and working through them. In the show he takes responsibility for his part in it, leading her on from time to time, etc. She however denies everything at every opportunity to she gets. He's become a more whole person whereas she does not. Anyway, I just wanted to share my thoughts on that last iceberg point as I am sure you are unaware of how it comes across. Great job with the video, I enjoyed it and you have a great tone.
Keep it up!
I think the whole meme culture reaction to Martha and the free passes that so many people are giving her, including this channel, highlights how far away we are as a society in terms of taking male victims seriously. “She was mentally ill” or “she did bad stuff but no where near as bad as Darrien” is frankly ridiculous. She was a manipulative stalker, a sexual abuser and a violent sociopath. As a fully grown woman she should have had the self awareness to seek the help she needed for herself and yet people are sympathising with her.
If the role were reversed and it was a man doing this stuff to a woman, no one would hesitate to exile him and treat him like dirt. Rightfully so by the way.
No wonder male victims are still so afraid to come forward when this kind of stuff happens 🙄.
good video, your audio is too quiet though
Hardest part of this video was him doing comedy
It was the hardest part of editing too 😂
What’s weird about that is four fake FB accounts for 46 messages, yet the rest of the numbers seem crazy ridiculous, and buddy better have kept them all if they were actually real
Really took guts for richard not to shy away from the mistakes he made and to tell an honest story about trauma. Every time I found myself infuriated at Martha, donny brought me back to seeing a broken person that just needs help at the end of the day. Darrien tho.. fuck that guy for real
It's also good because it's a British show...
very low volume. set your audio peak level at between -12 to -6dB in your editing software.
nice video, but you really need to work on the sound mixing, it is very silent overall and some things are particulary silent
But I felt bad for Fiona in the last episode she should have been committed in a hospice for psychological evaluation. I reckon it would be better than jail.
About who's worse Martha or O'Connor we see how man are treated in this "patriarchy" man get no sympathy for getting raped and is really our fault cause it's portrait as the experience that made him gay. Aswell we men being stalked when he asks the policeman if it was a guy sending masturbation texts to a girl they might do something, and it's spot on I'm not a victim but I know some and all of them man and women became addicts, Richard became bi but I'll mansplain why O'Connor isn't the villain Richard knew and in his head was fair trade for the drugs....
15:00 Whoever it is, ofc they're protected. Just like the predators running hollywood across the pond.
I'm glad you have some empathy for *Martha* I actually think it's totally unfair to her, there are so many people hating on or mocking her.
Well she should be in jail for assault if all is true
Stalking is a serious crime, the psychological harm and emotional distress along with the profound trauma it causes the victims of stalkers is why the pathological bullying abusive stalkers should be given longer prison sentences, it is severe abuse and the amount of people feeling sorry for her is a disgrace,
Stop enabling abusers it's not ok
@@paula622 This is the stuff that's written all over the internet. Did you not watch the show? He described it in a nuanced way and said it wasn't good versus bad. He also contributed.
I have been stalked by someone who was very ill, a woman. Yes it was scary and I was worried. But I also knew how ill she was and feel so much empathy for her. They don't just lock everyone up who is ill with obsessive personalities. They would have to really establish there was intent to harm. Gadd himself said he felt empathy for her.
@@thinac It was ten years ago. And you don't know if there was any assault. She sent him emails and became obsessed with him. They do not simply lock people up.
@@thinacGadd has said she never met Teri his girlfriend, so it's impossible that she could have attacked her and torn the hair from her head, kinda made me think there more no attack on him either.
Thanks for making this video 🤟
Thanks for watching it 🙌
Why is there no vieo footage of her heckling him?
There is I can't remember the name of it but it's on UA-cam
There is
I’m struggling to know what to believe after the Piers interview. Like I don’t believe she is honest at all, but it made me question the things Richard Gadd has said ??
Just curious, what things? Some things will have have been a bit changed as sometimes it's impossible to get everything 100% correct. People can also interpret things in different ways, and memory is malleable.
@@janinebasil yeah I agree. I don’t know - for one thing, I don’t understand why he would lie about stalking her back (when he followed her to her Appartment and she caught him) but then why would she say that never happened?
Richard has said that the show is not a one for one accounting of events. Instead, he's referred to it as an "emotional truth." It's not a true crime documentary, and he didn't want it to be. Richard likely never followed her to her house, just as I'm sure a lot of what was shown in the show did not play out exactly how it did in real life, intentionally so. Instead of being a true event, what that scene is doing is expressing his feelings on his returned obsession with her. Later in the series, Richard talks about how he struggled with his own obsessive thoughts of her and how he had, in a way, become like her. The scene at the comedy club, where she refutes his claims of her being a stalker and states that HE was the one that followed HER home, that line hits you in the gut because. . .she has a point. Adding the plot point of him following her home is an allegory for how he emotionally feels in the situation, and is a succinct and impactful way of showing you how he dealt with his own complex feelings of confusion and culpability. Richard was also intrigued by her and made many mistakes and wrong choices that he openly admits to feeding the situation, and it is expressed in the show that he did on some level like her admiration. He may not have physically followed her in real life, but he emotionally did, and he had to reckon himself to the part that he played in everything.
@@sunsetphoenix900 that’s such a good outlook! Yeah, it’s so hard when you don’t know what’s true and what’s false - it makes me feel even worse for Martha because like you said about his complexed feelings of liking her attention, he must’ve led her on and so you can somewhat understand why she had this warped perception of how he liked her back.
But also I struggle to believe Martha in the Piers interview when she said she didn’t love him? Surely that was a lie? (Not that she owes it to anyone to admit everything she felt)
@jessicarobinson8801 I have sympathy for Martha too, and Richard does as well. I think she's an unwell person, and I think Richard gave her inches, which she took for miles. She may not have loved him in a true sense of the word, but she was definitely infatuated to have sent the sheer number of emails and messages. Netflix has verified those numbers, and no person who is mentally well does that. I, of course, haven't personally read or listened to them, but I have a hard time believing that the feelings she expresses in them are purely platonic, lol
"im not going to name her" continues to plaster her name on the screen via articles. i understand the respect aspect but she did it to herself, name and shame all the way lmao
How is fiona attacking netflix but not the character upon which darien is (supposedly) based on ? Seems to me fiona is in on the joke and working for netflix
This guy should have at least 50K subscribers... 👍 and subscribe!
Maybe one day!
i wont even lie this is pretty surface level